>>2848267
Come to Jujuy

>>2848294
> everything cool in Argentina is as far away from Buenos Aires as possible
so ironic. I'll consider it though

>>2848267
>Is there any natural beauty or super cool thing you would recommend that can be visited in 1-3 days, over a weekend?
there is the river in tigre which has a few trees along its banks

>>2848267
if you have a weekend, it's possible to do mendoza, since it's just an overnight bus ride. the sleeper buses are comfortable and you arrive there in the morning. you can spend a couple days there and return on another sleeper. it also saves you two nights of hotel room cost. tons of stuff to do around mendoza nature-wise and lots of organized tours for everything.

>>2848267
I hear there's a beach there.

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>>2848633
>I hear there's a beach there.
talked to someone who visited Buenos Aires and she confirmed there is not in fact any beach there. this isn't brazil beach volleyball hombre

>>2848608
tigre looks nice

>>2848609
> overnight bus
alright i get it i get it best to just stay in BA, it's only 2 weeks I'm sure there's lots to see nearby

>>2848713

This country's full of stupid fucking assholes and Buenos Aires (caba) is the epicenter for it. You wont meet a single woman in 2 weeks in caba, at best they'll take you for meals since thats where the sex negative 4b trash lives.

Go to Salta or Jujuy if you want to enjoy Argentina. Everyone hates caba for a reason and your experience wont be special.

>>2848267
You can fly to Iguazu or Mendoza, it's often cheaper that taking the bus. Can be as low as 50 USD return.
By bus you could go to Mar del Plata, it's pretty nice and picturesque seaside city, but January is by far the worst time to visit, it will be overcrowded and overpriced.

>>2848713
you can also cross to uruguay on the ferry, which is a nice little trip and you get up and close with the rio de la plata

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>>2848720
hmm well it's my first time so I'm sure it'll be decent in caba ... i don't see a reason to fly anywhere that isn't el calafate or ushuaia, so small towns like salta may be nice but not the best idea when I only have 2 weeks

>>2848735
>it will be overcrowded and overpriced.
well I'd likely be doing a day trip so wouldn't have to worry about accommodations, just hitting the beach

>>2848791
that sounds cool! 4 hours one way is a bit but not the end of the world, i'd probably stay overnight in that case

also does anyone know about the robbery situation? is it as bad as brazil where i need to keep an eye on belongings at all time and shouldn't even have my phone out in public ?

>>2849086
>4 hours one way
that's probably montevideo. you could just cross the river to colonia

>>2848267
I lived in Buenos Aires for 4 months, did all that stuff you mentioned. It was all great and I recommend it but for just 1-3 days that doesn't give you much time to experience things like Patagonia. Iguazu can be doable in 3 days, imo just 1 day is all it takes to see the falls (and 2 days for traveling). I saw it from the Brazilian side and it gave much better views of the falls, vs the Argentinian side you're actually on top of the falls.

You can take the 1 hour train from Buenos Aires downtown to Tigre and go on the river boat tour there, then you take the train back and it can all be done in a single day.

>tips on how not to get robbed for being a gringo

I stayed in Palermo and it was pretty safe there even at night. Don't have your phone on the table when you're sitting outside. Most common crime is someone getting their phone stolen by a motorcyclist.

La Boca is actually pretty dangerous and it's not recommended you stay there after sundown. During the daytime it's fine just stick to the touristy spots.

Don't bring anything you wouldn't want to get robbed with in general, I never got robbed there but I heard stories of other people getting robbed.

Also look up scopolamine, it's a powder that hookers use to drug you, they'll give you a piece of gum with the powder on it or they have a piece of paper and throw the powder to your face when you don't suspect it. It's basically like roofies except instead of disabling you it makes you completely suggestable and agreeable, and you black out during the expereince. So hookers will take you to the ATM and have you empty your bank accounts. They will come to your apartment and steal everything including your phone. That actually happened to one of my cousin in-laws.

If a woman comes onto you very strongly 90% of the time it's someone trying to do this so be careful. This is also something you need to watch out for in Columbia and Brazil (and probably rest of South America)

>>2849952
inb4 Colombia

>>2849952
>It's basically like roofies except instead of disabling you it makes you completely suggestable and agreeable, and you black out during the expereince.
I doubt that this exists, and if it does, that you would be capable of operating an ATM.

>>2849952
>>2850060
Yeah, did a little bit of research, it's all made up bullshit, which was pretty obvious on the face of it. You sound like a retarded drug addict.

>>2849086
>is it as bad as brazil
not quite as bad, but yes
>i need to keep an eye on belongings at all time and shouldn't even have my phone out in public ?
absolutely yes. I've seen on more than one occasion somebody just sitting on the bus or the metro, and somebody from outside sticks their hand in through the window and swipes their phone.

>>2849952
>scopolamine
>Scopolamine, also known as hyoscine or by the brand name Transderm Scōp, is a prescription anticholinergic medication primarily used to prevent nausea and vomiting associated with motion sickness and surgical procedures. It works by blocking nerve signals to the brain's vomiting center.
Most side effects are related to its anticholinergic properties.
Dry mouth
Drowsiness and dizziness
Blurred vision and dilated pupils
Urinary retention
Disorientation, especially in the elderly

It's an urban myth based on the exaggeration of a common-use drug. Back in my times it was called Burundanga

>>2850060
most of the drugging in colombia uses ordinary sedatives in your drink. the dosage you get depends on how much of it you drink. if you drink too much you die.

>>2850060
>>2850061
>>2850084
>I doubt that this exists, and if it does, that you would be capable of operating an ATM.
You're completely capable of walking around, talking etc while blackout drunk. I swear to God, I swear on my life, my cousin in-law was also in Buenos Aires with my wife and I and he got robbed this way.

Tons of documentaries/police cases/government warnings out there with real evidence.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5429053/

https://ec.usembassy.gov/alert-scopolamine-attacks-in-guayaquil-ceibos-and-samborondon/

>>2850230
huh, argie here, we kept hearing about this every now and then (called Burundanga), but the news never really showed any evidence, it was always hearsay. I guess it is true. Just be careful out there. People are friendly and will approach you to talk, but if they are overly friendly and start handing you stuff to drink, be suspicious.

Just so you know, ATM limits per extraction per day are about 1400 USD (source: https://www.bbva.com/es/ar/innovacion/cuales-son-los-nuevos-limites-de-extraccion-en-cajeros-automaticos-y-como-realizar-retiros-sin-tarjeta/) so it's not a catastrophic loss, but if you can, travel with an alternate card with a limited amount of money.

Scopolamine is a real thing, I probably dodged one incident and have friends who got scoped.
If you research about it and it seems currently it's mostly happening in Colombia and Rio de Janeiro, and getting more and more frequent.
Ecuador might be too a spot, my friends got scoped there 10 years ago, so now it's probably worse cause it doesn't seem like the country improved since then in terms of security.
There's also some youtubers like Swedish gringo who got "scoped" themselves and they talk about it on YouTube.
Some tourists even die because of that, if you research a bit you'll find it pretty quickly in the news. Probably many more have died or atleast have gotten unreversable damage to their health, but it's just not turning up in the news cause nobody really cares in countries like Colombia to investigate if another gringo disappears, dies or ends up in a hospital because of poison.

Looking back when I was in Medellin some years ago I probably dodged something like this by luck, and it was literally the first and only night I went out and the first Colombian girl I talked to.
I met her in a bar, which was part of a hostel bar hopping event. She was being overly friendly to me and complimenting me alot, saying I was hot etc. I wasn't overly suspicious of her because back then I neither knew about scopolamine nor did I know how Latins act in romantic context, so I just assumed she as a Latina is generally more open about how she feels about you.
I didn't pursue her that evening, but I told her to give me her number. The number didn't even have whatsapp and she never answered my text i sent next day, not sure if it even was legit.

So my first interaction with a Colombiana in retrospect was already extremely suspicious and potentially life threatening. Safe to say I don't plan on returning to Colombia.

Not sure if Colombia isnt interested in trying to stop the poisoning of foreigners cause they want to get rid of passport Bros or they just don't care.

>>2850269
Like this guy says >>2850300 it's mostly happening in Colombia and Brazil. But in general it's starting to spread throughout South America.

Yes there are ATM limits and you can put limits on your own accounts even, but for crypto you're pretty fucked unless you have a more advanced plan.

The women who do this for the most part are hookers who have branched off into doing this/do this in addition to prostitution. So if you avoid hookers that's how you can avoid 90% of this issue, just don't go out looking to pay for sex, and for the other 10% just be careful if you have some woman coming onto you very strong at a bar or something (or if anyone male or female asks you to "look" at something).

If you're native to the country or native to South America in general then the women will probably not target you, they like to target gringos, more money and less connections. And as I said 90% of the time these are hookers doing this so especially if some man is going out looking to pay a hooker for sex he's not going to go to the police if he gets robbed... what will he say? "Hey while going out to pay for sex I got robbed"?

>>2850315
again, argie here and I remember hearing about this since forever, always treated as an urban myth with no real evidence provided. Here are two news articles from over 10 years ago in the biggest national newspaper talking about it:
>https://www.lanacion.com.ar/seguridad/burundanga-la-droga-que-asusta-a-todos-pero-que-aun-nadie-vio-nid1738748/
>https://www.lanacion.com.ar/lifestyle/burundanga-la-nueva-droga-de-la-noche-nid1522283/
Quoting from the article:
>Burundanga—that drug which supposedly renders victims unconscious in seconds, leaving them at the mercy of criminals—is among us, even though it hasn't been possible to verify if the stories being told are true.
>Science refutes the idea that a drug can act with the speed attributed to scopolamine, its scientific name.
>Carlos Damín, director of Toxicology at the Fernández Hospital, explains that it has ophthalmic uses and comes in powder, drops, or ampoules, but adds: "There is no substance that, when sprinkled, produces an immediate effect." Despite this, fear and psychosis are, for the moment, gaining ground.
>Were they all victims of scopolamine? They believe so. Scientifically, it's more complicated to prove. According to Damin, medicine hasn't been able to study these types of cases because victims rarely go to the doctor after the attacks: "At Fernández Hospital, we've never treated a case like this."

So again, this has been happening for decades but I guess no doctors or authorities ever gave enough of a fuck to look into it, it was just dismissed as urban myth or exaggeration.

>>2849940
> you could just cross the river to colonia
unesco world heritage site and a lot closer, thanks for that tip. online the tickets seem to be in the over $120-$150 CAD range for round trip - I assume it's cheaper to book in person at a ferry terminal?
on that topic, what's the best way to pay for items and experiences, e.g. at the ferry terminal? USD cash, VISA credit card, argentine peso cash ?

>>2849952
>>2850315
yeah i wasn't planning to do hookers on this trip fortunately. Will be staying close to Palermo
Real travellers (and in my experience I agree) emphasize you need time to really experience a destination, so a Patagonian speedrun seems just like useless stat-padding. Will probably do tigre, colonia, places in and around CABA.

>>2850082
noted

>>2850943
>I assume it's cheaper to book in person at a ferry terminal?
argie here, it's usually the same price unfortunately. I found round trips here https://www.buquebus.com/ar/ for $100 USD.
There's no real difference now between the legal and illegal exchange rates, so it doesn't really matter what you pay with. The safest for you would be with your credit card, right? But also keep some ARG cash in hand, tons of things you'll want to do might not take card.

>>2850321
when they do toxicology it's almost always some kind of pharmaceutical sedative administered through a drink.

burundunga is real and can be asborbed through skin or lungs, but the effects are less predictable, so it's not an ideal drug (compared to a pharmaceutical). they just want to knock you out, not deal with your hallucinations and delirium.

>>2850943
When I lived there for 4 months I stayed in Palermo and it was great. Palermo Soho.

Can we talk about how you cannot buy real milk in Argentina?
it's all overcooked UHT

>>2853217
Is it sold in a plastic bag like in Colombia?

has anyone here done that thing where you fly out to Argentina on a one way ticket and stay there indefinitely without a visa?
Wanna move to Buenos Aires for a couple years using this method, will I have trouble renting apartments/opening bank accounts etc?

>>2853265
>has anyone here done that thing where you fly out to Argentina on a one way ticket and stay there indefinitely without a visa?
I know people who have done it in the past, it used to be no big deal.
>will I have trouble renting apartments
It depends so much. Easiest thing would be to rent airbnbs long-term. But to rent an actual apartment, with a contract, you might have it tough. Landlords don't trust renters so they ask for all kinds of guarantees, typically a family member or friend who will co-sign the rental contract with you, having them legally as co-payer, in case you don't pay. If you have cash, what you could do is say "I'll pay you 6 months in advance as guarantee". But yeah, it's tough. It depends a lot on how trustworthy the landlord finds you
>opening banks
eeeh, that might be trickier, I have no idea how foreigners do that. One thing tons of people do is take the ferry boat to Uruguay and open a bank account there (Uruguay is a tax haven, no questions asked, you can do whatever you want there). Employers in argentina are used to depositing your salary in Uruguay to avoid taxes, that's all cool.
If you do end up getting a job though, your employer can get help you get legal papers/residency, it shouldn't be that complicated
what skills do you have? Do you intend on working there or you got an independent source of income?

someone please nuke this fucking country. there's literally nothing good about it.

>>2853241
yeah exactly. very third world and doesn't taste good


>>2853286
there is something unsettling about the vibe in CABA... almost like quiet desperation, or the feeling that someone is always watching you. dangerous even

the food staff typically get annoyed if you try to speak english instead of Spanish, and you won't even find bilingual menus which are standards in Europe or Japan
tried to pay for some souvenir and he rejected my first $5 bill bc it had 270 written on it in pen ... like fuck off dude a bill's a bill
random teenage boys roaming the streets asking for money for food, in spanish of course because no one teaches these spics international languages
houses/apartments have bars and gates on their doors like south africa. and sirens that buzz whenever a gate is opened so you don't inadvertently allow the racaille to come in
I guess welcome to my first third world country, but with first world prices

>>2853341
>no one teaches these spics international languages
welcome to my third world country, bud. If we had a proper education system, we wouldn't be a third world country

>>2853346
well I have to be here for the next 10-14ish days so might as well make the most of it
can you recommend anything to do, preferably in Nunes or Belgrano?
Nunes seems boring as hell, mostly middle aged dogwalkers with some homeless sprinkled in
some of my interests:
> classical music, esp. piano - I also play myself
> expat places like irish pubs where people can speak English
> anything random, fun, unique or if I can't get classmates to go with me solo friendly, go kart races or whatever

I might fuck off to idk a hostel in calafate for a few days if there's truly nothing to do in CABA

>>2853349
nta, but they have a few good museums. san telmo on market days is good. if you are into classical, you have to check out the opera house. they also have frequent tango concerts at places like the blue whale. the two cemeteries are cool. the park by plaza italia and puerto madero can be nice to hang out. people also go to la boca and la bombonera

>2853341
At first I thought you were the typical ugly American complaining that they don't speak English but then you said racaille
A Frenchman would never complain about someone not speaking English.
Regardless, you can thank Milei for the bad vibes and even worse prices.
Only PeroniBVLLs know how to run an economy

>>2853531
>hubieran ganado las elecciones
>abrazo

>>2848267
go to a mundolingo, there's about 3 a week in BA. Basically just lots of foreigners and gringo hunters drunk in a pub

I went to the palermo one and got hit on contantly. At the end of the night a argentinian girl started kissing me and gave me a blowjob in an alleyway - she wanted to have sex but I was staying in a hostel and leaving in the morning. Most trashy thing I've ever done

>>2853544
honestly, was she even a 5 or 6?

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>>2853567
maybe a 6 or 7 heh

>>2853544
>she wanted to have sex
argentina girls love anal

>>2853627
ew, why would I put it in her arse if there's a nice clean pussy right there

>>2853605
that's a 6 or 7 in america, in argentina that's a 5

>>2853278
thanks for the reply anon hope you're having a good day :)
>it used to be no big deal
Have immigration become stricter recently? Or you just mean you haven't heard from anyone who's done it recently
>Easiest thing would be to rent airbnbs long-term. But to rent an actual apartment, with a contract, you might have it tough
ah that sucks, I wanna avoid Airbnb if possible because it jacks up rental prices which fucks over locals, will have a look to see if there are any other short term rental places. Will heed your advice about the Uruguay banks too
>Do you intend on working there or you got an independent source of income?
Intend on making money on the internet

>>2853702
Seething fatty

>>2853863
>other short term rentals
Yep. They're called hotels. That's where you belong as a foreign visitor. Not in an apartment.
>>2853278
Hope you're not expecting a refund for any cash "deposit" you hand over. Landlords screwing over gullible, loaded foreigners desperate for a place of their own is one of the most common expat scams there is.

>>2853627
>argentina girls love anal

Is this really true or just a trv meme?

>>2853950
I've only been with one argie girl but she wanted it. It just hurt her too much when I tried going in so we settled for vanilla stuff

Can I learn conversational Spanish in 3-4 months? Gotta get to Buenos Aires asap

>>2853544
lmao nice good idea

>>2853368
> "check out the opera house"
> go to opera house, says it closes at 8pm
> arrive at like 6:30
> sorry no tours allowed we close in over 90 minutes
> you can't walk around on your own either
whelp that was fun

I did hear about san telmo though will take a look

>>2853531
I am neither American nor French, you got that right ... i am something much worse

>>2854025
>i am something much worse
La Creatura Polaca

just kidding, you're probably a brit

>>2853265
In Argentina they really don't give a fuck about overstaying your visa, in fact when you arrive they don't even stamp your passport (but they do register it in their system and you can look up your passport in their system). If I remember correctly if you overstay you can just pay a small fine, but desu it's a 90 day visa so it's pretty easy during those 90 days to take a ferry to Uruguay or take a $100 round trip flight to Iguazu falls or somewhere nearby.

But then again that was back before Meile came into power maybe things have changed and they're stricter now

>>2854057
Milei*

>>2853863
>>2854057
I'm not these anons but don't do the overstay thing anymore. They actually care about that now(a little). They still don't seem to care about leaving and coming back every three months, but I've heard you need to stay out for at least like a week or couple of days or something. You can't just leave an come back in the same day anymore like you used to be able to.

>>2853974
yes, but argies speak pretty good english for south americans. it's not like colombia

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>>2848267
I lived in Patagonia for over two years as an American. Ask me anything

>>2849086
Why don’t you show the holohoax memorial right down the road. The first in South America, and right on the ocean….

>>2853959
>It just hurt her too much when I tried going in
average dick chads this is where we shine

>>2854198
> argies speak pretty good english
who gave you this fanciful idea? maybe in some hyper touristy patagonia town, but in Buenos Aires literally nobody speaks english

>>2854316
>ama
thoughts on the local mapuche? i read that mt. fitzroy was a sacred mountain for the local indigenous tribe and they avoided settling in el chalten as it was taboo for them
also do you know any hidden gems in that region? I'm heading to laguna de los tres and Laguna Torre, but maybe you know some secret waterfall or lookout spot idk

>>2854351
>average dick chads this is where we shine
yea yea I take my W's from wherever I can

>>2854351
on second thought, you are right

>>2854358
You won’t make it in Patagonia. It filled with random sigma White men who don’t fuck around. Long story short, only go there if you have money, a LOT of money, I’m talking at least a few hundred K if you want to last. There are no jobs, no opportunities, and locals will only be nice to you if you’re spending money. If you got money though it’s kinda like paradise if you like the cold and thr Welsh. I ran out after 2 years and had to get back to work

>>2854365
It’s the exact opposite of SE Asia, bc you have to actually prove yourself in Argentina. They don’t fuck around

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>>2854366
Also dogs. LOTS OF DOGS. You have to be ok with getting bitten by dogs, your friends getting bitten by dogs, your fucking CAR getting bitten by dogs. You have to adapt to it bc every dog in thr street has an owner you don’t know. Just don’t be a bitch is the moral of the story and NEVER hurt a dog or you will end up disappeared

>>2854382
>dogs
I've never seen as many stray dogs as I did in Ushuaia. I'd get chased by them pretty regularly, you had to mind where you walked

>>2854384
This dude knows what’s up. I didn’t mind it bc I’m a dog person but fucking hell. Btw do you know the two big Newfies in Ushuaia? They usually hang out by the pier and bother the tourists. They’re brother ad sister. I love those little goobers

>>2854025
you know what else you should check out? the museo de armas. looks small on the outside but on the inside it just keeps going and going. surprisingly interesting. if you like art, the Fortabat collection is not bad

>>2854388
Checked. Not been there yet but based on seeing the decrepit, horrible mistake that is BA, I’m glad I left. So much fucking potential LOST, and it’s so bad that all everybody does is say, “oh well I have ITALIAN ancestory,” as if that’s something to fucking brag about. If you want to know an Argentinian worth his metal he will hate Paraguayans and probably agree that the Malvinas are British, but only with a wink
>also, you have to be able to dance

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>>2854366

>Argentina
>Prove yourself

Fuck off Milagros.

>>2854316
weren't you on the chilean side?

>>2854386
>Btw do you know the two big Newfies in Ushuaia?
nah, it's been a couple of years since I've been there. I'm assuming you live there; how's the situation with all the tech industry down there? Are they all going out of business because of the new import laws and the lifting of the tariffs?

>>2854175
Thanks anon, actual proof/anecdotes or just gut feeling? Fine either way, can spend time in Sao Paulo as well if I have to

>>2854175
Has anybody tried doing visa runs in the Triple Border (the Paraguay-Brasil-Argentina border)? As an argie, we always hear how all kinds of drug dealers, terrorists and other sketchy people get in through there, so maybe it's a more lax border and they'll stamp your passport without caring too much about anything?

>>2854479
Just for shits and gigs?

>>2854480
yes, but also like this guy >>2854175 is saying, sometimes they don't allow you to exit and re-enter on the same day, but maybe at the triple-border they don't care so you save a week of living somewhere else.
I've heard stories of people living in Thailand and having to do visa runs to Laos/Cambodia/Myanmar and it sounded fun. I've spent a lot of time in Morocco and had to do visa runs there to Ceuta/Melilla, and also heard some fun stories from buddies on their runs.

>>2854481
> heard some fun stories from buddies on their runs.
Fair dues. That actually sounds kinda fun

>>2854484
this one buddy of mine was in Morocco with his dog, he had all the paperwork for the dog, all the vaccines and shit. He leaves the Moroccan side but for some reason the spanish assholes on the Ceuta side say he's missing some papers and won't let his dog in, so he tries to get back into Morocco. The moroccan guards tell him he can't go back in on the same day for some stupid reason, say he has to wait 24hrs to get back in. It was already late and he was stuck in no man's land, literally. He just found a spot behind some metal fences and just crashed there for the night with his dog. He was a train-hopper dude from the states so he was used to sleeping rough. The next day he walks past moroccan security like nothing had happened, they didn't even check his papers or anything. Cool guy, Syd.

>>2854487
That actually sounds pretty based. I’ve not been to the sand countries yet but did a lot of backpacking/ hitchhiking around black Africa. You’d be surprised what you can do if you’re smart

>>2854491
>surprsied what you can do
Any examples?

>>2854495
Without doxxing myself, just a lot of examples of crossing borders, being in really dangerous situations where natives got killed, and managing to get out under budget and over delivered. If you want to know Africa, I’ll give you two things: 1. TIA, this is Africa, everybody knows that one. 2. Tiger Balm, little less known, but it’s called the Tiger Balm method. You can have sex with anybody in the world and never catch an STD. A buddy of mine slept with literally THOUSANDS of African prostitutes and never even got the clap using it.
>put on one condom
>cover it in Tiger balm
>put on another condom
>if the bitch starts screaming, you know it’s time to pull out
XD

>>2853863
>I wanna avoid Airbnb if possible because it jacks up rental prices which fucks over locals, will have a look to see if there are any other short term rental places
This logic is retarded, it's not specifically Airbnb that causes the prices to be higher, it's that fact that the apartment is setup as a convenient short term furnished and serviced rental at all so it's in the same price category as hotels rather than long term unfurnished unserviced apartments with leases and deposits and tons of bullshit

>>2854539
>still bending over to support muh globohomo corpos

Will I regret choosing Buenos Aires/maybe Sao Paulo over Asian cities?
I was originally aiming to do Asia as their cities looked really cool, but as I researched it more I figured I'd be really lonely out there because apart from Japan there isn't much happening for my interests, even in Japan the crowds skew older for some reason so it's harder to meet people my age
Like the main/potentially only reason I'm interested in Buenos Aires is because it's a big city with lots of young people who share the same interests as me

>>2854586
Leaving out the service quality, infrastructure, etc, you'll have a much better time in Buenos Aires or Rio (forget Sao Paulo). People are open and curious about foreigners, if you put yourself out there just a bit you'll end up meeting tons of cool people.

>>2854487
hope they still stamped his passport or he'll have problems on his way out

>>2854591
Sounds good, why forget Sao Paulo though? Looks like a massive city with loads of people to meet and things to do

>>2854591
brazilians are more outgoing people tho. even in buenos aires, it's the brazilian tourist who want to chat you up and take pictures with you

>>2854595
yeah, but it's also the commercial/financial hub, the mentality is weird, everybody is there hustling, monkeys in suits in a cement jungle. Rio is a chill place, fun to hang out everywhere, not only can you meet locals but also tons of tourists and expats. Just my opinion though. You could even try smaller cities in brasil like Salvador de Bahia or Recife, great places full of life, great beaches. You know Sao Paulo is inland, no beach anywhere nearby, right?

>>2854596
I'm argentinian and I agree with your 100%. I would go spend my time in Rio, Salvador de Bahia, Recife or Florianopolis, but anon seems set on going to Argentina for some reason.

>>2854598
fair enough, will keep this in mind
>>2854599
Buenos Aires just looks really comfy and also lots of young people doing cool things by the look of it

>>2854586
What are your interests? Sounds like you are needlessly limiting yourself to Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo (which are awful as far as southern cone cities go) when you could do what you like somewhere else

>>2854602
Mostly underground music/art stuff and meeting people in their 20s in those scenes, if you don't like those cities which ones would you rec instead?

>>2854606
>underground music/art stuff
alright, then I get it, Buenos Aires is pretty cool for that. Not sure what the scene in Brasil is like

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>>2854598
> Rio is a chill place, fun to hang out everywhere
Literally watched my friend get robbed in front of of the best and fanciest hotel in the coca cabana by a literal tranny
>good luck

>>2854630
Oh and they used an ancient revolver and the nigger in the car watching was exactly how you would think

>>2854630
How was pic rel? I stayed right across the street from there but never went there because I thought it was too much of a tourist trap?

>>2854595
>why forget Sao Paulo though? Looks like a massive city with loads of people to meet and things to do
It is a massive city, I just find it too big and spread out and most of it looks like shit and not really nice to walk around compared to Rio or cities in Argentina. It is technically safer than Rio, but it doesn't really like it for the most part

>>2854674
There were a LOT of girls, some of questionable age. They swarm you as soon as you get in. They all line up and you pick which one (or ones) you want and they’ll do whatever you want. The only part I didn’t like is that they force you to get naked as soon as you enter the building, so no matter where you are whatever lounge area bar whatever you have to be naked

>>2854761
>they force you to get naked
h-hot!

>>2854761
>they force you to get naked as soon as you enter the building, so no matter where you are whatever lounge area bar whatever you have to be naked
do they not give you a robe?

>>2854810
not everywhere is some prude shithole which demonises the body

>>2854824
your seething about america is your problem, most clubs like this, even in brazil, do give you a robe

>>2854830
A lot of people don’t wear them tho. You’re gonna see a lot of old fat dudes floppy wieners. I could do without that

spent a day walking around montserrat doing trough tourist things like palacio baralo and kind of done with that
should I still go to colonia del sacramento tomorrow? I kind of want a quieter vibe with less smog and more nature + cleanliness

>>2855321
>Montserrat
How was the volcano? Did you see the abandoned town?

>>2855330
this is the argentina thread sir montserrat is a (kind of boring and smelly) neighbourhood of CABA

>>2855321
>should I still go to colonia del sacramento tomorrow? I kind of want a quieter vibe with less smog and more nature + cleanliness
Colonia is definitely that, much quieter than BA overall. Try to go during the week, as the weekends get a bit crowded. There's some fun little museums in the historical center, you can go up the lighthouse to get a nice view of the place

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>>2855399
i went to Tigre instead bc the ferry tickets to colonia were like $110 USD , plus having to stand in long lines and get through customs both ways for a solo day trip seemed like a hassle. i also thought it would be boring
Tigre is cute but you do the walk on the paseo victorica, feel the river breeze and you've seen it all. a bit of a rundown shithole and pretty dead, worth passing through but that's about it
oh and the power went out in all of Tigre a few hours ago too lol

>>2855482
lol the power went out in all of Buenos Aires as well
Welcome to Buenos Aires in the summer

>>2855484
you want to stay out of BA in summer and winter

>>2848267
Yes, it is called Montevideo. Perfect for a ferry trip at weekend

>>2855494
>you want to stay out of BA in summer
I don't see what the big deal is? I'm here now and it's fine other than the few hours the power was out. I was expecting it to be an oven in January from what I've read. It's much better than Spain in summer where the city's are just completely dead in the day and everyone is nocturnal to avoid the heat

Finished my Argentina trip. General thoughts:
> Buenos Aires: food is surprisingly good. Not necessarily the cuisine style or the famous asado steak, but how they prepare every even simple dish. Scrambled eggs taste good, etc.
> the city is pretty dirty and smelly with lots of homeless. very safe though as there is a very heavy police presence at all times.
> as a Westerner I found enjoying myself meant finding islands of Western/expat culture where people could actually speak English - tostado cafe, mundolingo, sports bars, etc
> many thirdworldisms you will have to get used to - e.g. major train lines closed for months for "renovations", temporary electricity blackouts, insufficient pedestrian signalling and aggressive driving like they want to run you over
> the country is crazy expensive, more expensive than my own country Canada
> Patagonia: even more expensive than Buenos Aires. good luck finding a place to stay for less than 180,000 pesos/night unless you are literally camping. but beautiful in a harsh way. tons of Australians, French, Germans, and especially Israelis for some odd reason - they are everywhere. Americans in contrast are a small minority
> almost no black people and very few Indians. despite all the jokes Argentinians are basically Spanish-Italians and look that way. the darker people you see are mostly immigrants from other parts of south america
I really enjoyed my trip and once I learned some basic know-how and Spanish words I was all set. The one crazy feature of the country is how expensive everything is, aside from Uber and perhaps long-term Airbnb stays in Buenos Aires. I don't know how anyone can afford anything - it's wild having a third world shithole with first world prices.

>>2855515
exactly. the first week of january we literally had like 16-18 degree Celcius chill in the evenings... this second week was a lot hotter but still more bearable than, say, Tokyo summer heat

>>2855872
>the country is crazy expensive, more expensive than my own country Canada
>especially Israelis for some odd reason - they are everywhere.
>it's wild having a third world shithole with first world prices.
You can thank Jewlei for that. This would have never happened under a Peronist

>>2856306
>>2853532

Are the vibes in Buenos Aires 'tense' (aggressive crackheads, lack of social unity and air of resentment, never being able to let your guard down, everyone looks miserable) like London, NYC, LA, Paris, Toronto etc?

>>2858180
Yeah it might be even worse because the villas are considered very dangerous and they are in the middle of everywhere

>>2858188
ah shit
I'd mostly be in Villa Crespo/Almagro/Caballito area, it's safe there right?
But desu I might just do Asia instead, I feel the neuroticism of my city corrupting me and wanna go somewhere that people actually have civic decency and unity lol

>>2858180
>>2858189
>Are the vibes in Buenos Aires 'tense'
Not really, compared to any other city it's size it's pretty relaxed, it's just not as warm and easy going as other Argentine cities since it's huge and the capital.
>crackheads
never seen the homeless/crackheads be aggressive, but you will notice them and they make a huge fucking mess digging through the dumpsters
>air of resentment
there's a bit of that since the president turned off the infinite gibs machine but I think they're starting to get over it
>never being able to let your guard down
>Villa Crespo/Almagro/Caballito area
I believe those areas are considered mostly fine but I haven't spent much time there. Only areas I've felt a bit concerned were La Boca and empty parts of San Telmo at night.

>>2858205
>never seen the homeless/crackheads be aggressive
not them, but you definitely have aggressive villeros/pungas, though there's a much bigger police presence in CABA these days. It hasn't happened lately, but at night you used to always get approached by aggressive villeros with stories like "Bro I just got out of jail and I got no money. Now I don't wanna go back, so maybe you can help me somehow. I don't wanna have to go back..."

>>2858180
much, much better than Toronto
i don't think I saw a single crackhead in all of CABA
I would say in fact there's a cautious air of hope in the city , hope that the worst has already passed. They seem friendly to Americans especially, it seemed a let down when they thought I was American and I had to let them know I was from the frozen venezeula, the people's republic of canada

to be honest i miss it. I want to go back ...

>>2859169
do they like britbongs or are they weird about us because of the Falklands thing?
desu I'm just sick and tired of being on packed trains with miserable looking corporate people, that and the crackheads are the two main things I'm trying to get away from

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>>2859188
>or are they weird about us because of the Falklands thing?
idk, you tell me

>>2859188
>do they like britbongs
argie here, I think most people have nothing against Brits themselves, they know it's governments who are ultimately responsible for these wars. There might be a bigger issue with the football rivalry than with the falklands thing, so if you're in ARG for the world cup, be cautious about where you wear your football jersey
>>2859188
>tired of being on packed trains with miserable looking corporate people
ha, well in ARG you'll be in packed trains with miserable and annoying villeros and pungas, our native hoodrats

>>2859275
I don't follow football so I'll be fine, thanks for the heads up!
>in ARG you'll be in packed trains with miserable and annoying villeros and pungas, our native hoodrats
that also happens in bongland too desu

How is the public transport in Buenos Aires? And how common is English?

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>>2859302
i've never taken the subway in buenos aires because the Ubers were so cheap and ngl it looked kind of sketchy haha. but I did take the Tren de la Costa to Tigre on a weekday and it was actually very relaxing - it wasn't super fast and you can tell the wagons were like from the 90s but it got me where I needed to go. i fell asleep and napped on it on my way back to buenos aires and it was a very good nap

>how common is English
nobody knows english outside of a few tourist hotspots like the san telmo market, which actually makes this country a great filter against low-IQ NPC tourists. on the other hand, you do have to deal with some annoying and usually ugly Spanish-speaking south american tourists , but you take the good with the bad

>>2859343
>sun shining down on ESMA
yeeeeeeeeah

>>2848267
>Two weeks
If you are only spending two weeks then don't waste it going to Jujuy or Patagonia for 2 days. It's not worth it. If you can extend your trip then yes a two week Jujuy road trip is worth it.

Basically if you want a lttle trip away I would do Tigre.

I can give you the number on whatsapp of the water taxi I used when I was there (otherwise you have to use the big bus boats which take a while). I had an air b n b and the owner let me use his kayaks (he lived near by) and it was awesome. My gf and I Just kayaked all night and looked up at the stars. Otherwise you can do guided kayak tours.

But yeah weekend trips from BA are sort of limited.

You could go to Montevideo or Colonia in Uruguay though

And a third option is a tiny town like San Antonio de Areco.

>tips on how not to get robbed for being a gringo
You won't unless you are doing something really dumb on an empty street late at night in Palermo.

>>2848609
I don't think Mendoza is worth it for a weekend trip. Mendoza itself is a pretty sleepy city and unless you were going to rent a car and drive into the mountains or go on a hike or something it's not worth it just to go to the city.

>>2849086
If you do decide on Iguazu I recommend at least one day for argie side and one for brazilian side. I think 3 days is perfect for Iguazu
>fly in at night
>Day 1 - Argie side
>Day 2 - Brazilian side and explore foz town a bit
Day 3- venture into paraguay. See Salta Monday (waterfalls in paraguay that nobody goes too because Iguazu is so close + you have to go into Paraguay but you can do it visa free by walking across the brazil bridge. It's legal. Then get a taxi from Ciudad del Este). then fly back at night

>>2859302
>how common is English?
not common