>>2855639
>passing through Phoenix
Where from and where going?

>>2855650
Flying down from the Northeast and on the way to California.

PHX is literally the worst part of the SW

>>2855639
Formerly one of the most desolate and inhospitable regions of the country...not it's crowded elbow to elbow with Amerimutts who love the desert dunshine but don't like each other. Trying to settle down in Lake Havasu City, rent a shitty room and work an awful job with nasty people was a mistake and one of the bleakest periods of my 20s. Arizona is soulless suburbia incarnate. Even the nicer places like Prescott are still so anti-social. Everyone is like "fuck off we're full" IRL.

>>2858471
Why? I've heard good things about Scottsdale
>>2858474
is it that bad? I spent a chunk in Tucson for the university and found it alright. Didn't explore much else besides a few music festivals in phoenix, but found it pretty easy to date locals.
>Lake Havasu City
>Prescott
Maybe these were the problem. Both pretty small locations where boomers retire. You might have to pick a college town when it comes to AZ. At least Flagstaff.

>>2855639
The Grand Canyon is the most beautiful place in the entire world

>>2855639
Tucson is so nice dude just travel around the mountains then hit downtown, so many horny 9/10's everywhere even on men if you care. Its gotten so much investment don't listen to old 4 year old Reddit posts that say its a shithole, its becoming like Comfy Denver with Santa Fe tier murals and old historical neighborhoods.

>>2858676
It's a giant, barren hole in the ground. The first white men who saw it thought it was one of the most awful sights on earth. It didn't do anything for me like the Big Sur coast or the giant redwood rainforests did.
>>2858725
I spent two nights in Tucson while backpacking across America. One on a park bench, another in a shitty $72/night motel next to the awful I-10. The city is less ugly than other desert cities thanks to the native Sonoran Desert xeriscaping - it's the most vegetated desert in the world - but the human landscape on the streets is so barren. Evidently you have to spend a lot of money at a private establishment to be social (and of course, being a paypig draws in women like nectar draws bees). I never saw any friends groups or teenage lovers hanging out in public spaces while I was there. Mostly bums and rejects, especially in winter - which gets a lot chillier than you think. I'd pick Hermosillo over Tucson any day, not because HMO is some amazing place, but because it at least has some soul, especially on weekends. It's also warmer and closer to the beach.