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>Last Thread: >>2850726
I would have enjoyed the last thread a lot more if I had gotten my cup of coffee edition
>What is this thread? Why are there two generals?
/rcg/ was initially created as a way for the roller coaster enthusiasts on here to discuss all things roller coasters and theme parks. While roller coasters are the main focus of these threads (and the title of the general) there is also discussion on other theme parks, their rides, as well as the parks themselves and trip planning too. That's where /tpg/ comes in.
>Can I talk about Disney/Universal parks in this thread?
Absolutely! Disney/Universal discussion of all sorts including rides/resorts/dining/trip planning is OK.
Park Crowd Tracker:
>https://queue-times.com/en-US/parks
Current and historical wait times tracker:
>https://www.thrill-data.com/
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>https://rcdb.com/
Amusement Park News Sites:
>https://www.themeparkinsider.com/
>https://www.screamscape.com/
>https://www.coaster101.com/
Disney Park News:
>https://www.wdwnt.com/
>https://www.wdwmagic.com/
>https://www.allears.net
>https://www.mousesteps.com
Universal Park News:
>https://www.insideuniversal.net
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With the whole Greenland question causing Europe to entirely decouple with the USA, it is looking more likely Disneyland Paris will be forced to shut down entirely and we will not even get the Frozen and Lion King expansions
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>>2856051
>Europe removing themselves from the USA gravytrain
I highly doubt it. It's just posturing from their inept bureaucrats that want to appear tough despite allowing their homelands to be flooded with african and muslim rapists.
We will take Greenland and put a Six Flags on it.
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>>2856050
Yeah, when I was there in November I hoped I would warm up to Mickey Avenue but I really don't like that it is covered. Understandable given the climate but it sucks out a lot of the cozy atmosphere (same thing in USJ, although for some reason there it bothered me a lot less). To be fair I'm used to Paris' Main Street USA which is the best one, so it was gonna be stiff competition anyways.
As for the pathways that was my biggest problem with the park. It just makes everything super wide-open and flat and kind of a slog to walk through. It might be necessary for the amount of crowds, but it doesn't change the fact the crowds are still horrible to get through, especially the backside of Fantasyland. The park is at its best in smaller side areas like Critter Country or the area around Beauty and the Beast, there the paths are a bit smaller and more winding, making everything feel more natural. Again, something that Paris excels at.
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Even in the very small chance France does not bar all US involvement in the country, the attendance is going to plummet because Disney is associated with America and they want to avoid all American assets. We saw this with Eurodisney in the 90s before things got better and this was not even when the countries were openly hostile to each other
Honestly Asterix Park or Plopsaland might just take over operations and make it a new resort for them with rethemed rides, because there is zero chance Disneyland Paris will be operating in a decade
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>>2856105
I'm sorry but you're a fucking moron. These countries are not going to intentionally nuke a tourist attraction that creates thousands of jobs and generates billions annually in economic impact over some meme shit trump is pushing. Get off reddit and go outside my nigga
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>>2856105
There's about a million different ways I could explain in detail about how retarded you are but it's easier if I just tell you to kill yourself so you will be removed from the gene pool
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Guys I'm about to launch the craziest shit you ever heard
Alright ready, because religion is on the decline (apparently), people are replacing their icons of worship with corporate worship
I am extremely smart and this theory requires no proof
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>>2856142
Florida had a massive storm pass over the state today and for about 10 minutes it was very similar to a hurricane wind band so probably.
Surprised they didn't see the wind coming and put it in an anticipatory delay. Weatherman was telling boaters to not go out today.
>>2856140
Everything there is to be a fan of has that segment of the fanbase that takes it way too far and gives people a bad name. The NFL has Eagles fans that throw beer cans at the heads of children over a game. It's just part of any broadly popular thing. Vacation destinations, and especially Disney, stratify their fans by status and Disney has monetized that stratification. So let them waste all their dumbass money doing dumbass shit and lay on their death beds with nothing to look back on in their life beyond various moments they spent $500 and waited in a 4 hour line for a popcorn bucket themed to a childrens movie.
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Has anyone tried Circuit Breaker at COTAland? I hear good things about new Vekoma tilt coasters and it is a lot closer than cedar point and qiddiya.
>>2856147
It seems that EU still doesn't have their ops locked down yet.
Sort of surprising because Stardust is one of the more straightforward rides there and they have a fairly large experienced talent pool to pull from even internally.
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>>2856235
How have you not been following the Trump situation?
>Trump wants Greenland to be America on the basis that it's close and that America gave it away in the first place
>Rest of the world is "lol no"
>Trump imposes tariffs/sanctions on countries saying no
>Macron says the EU should propose a complete block on US businesses
Macron is just posturing as he knows the EU will never do that but it makes him look good. On the offchance it does happen, it'll likely only be for government contracts. If it's wider than that, instant worldwide recession on a never before seen scale
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>>2856062
I love this man.
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Threadly list of Disney/Universal announcements and dates for your convenience:
Not much new this time.
Florida:
>Monsters Inc. at Studios opens 2027?
> Dinosaur and Restaurantasaurus Final day Feb 1st
>'Tropical Americas' replace it in 2027
>Front Tire Land replaces Tom Sawyer Island circa 2028
>Liberty Belle Steamship future plans unknown, but intact as of late Nov 2025
>Big Thunder Mountain (Florida) refurb finishes by 'Spring' 2026 w/ Rainbow Caverns
>New Frozen ride animatronics Feb 2026
>Walt Disney robot coming to Carousel of Progress
>Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin reopens Spring 2026 WITH MOAR SCREENS
>Rock N' Rollercoaster: Muppets opens summer 2026, multiple animatronic Muppets confirmed
>Aerosmith version final day is March 1
>>>/tg/ Crossover:
>Earn Lorcana Promo cards at Epcot thru Feb 23.
>Volcano Bay closed Oct 26, 2026 thru Mar 24, 2027
>Lost Continent demolition underway
>Replacement for Poseidon's Fury to be built by Intamin
>Jurassic Park River Adventure closed thru Nov 19 2026
>RRR Replacement early 2027?
California:
>Fast and Furious Hollywood coaster 2026
>Mr. Lincoln shows when Walt is uncooperative. True rotation soon?
>Mike & Sully closes 2026, becoming Avatar ride
Both:
>Soarin' Over 'Murica by July 4 2026
>Millenium Falcon: Smuggler's Run gets the flight rethemed to Mandalorian May 22, 2026
>Moar OT characters in Star Wars Lands
Europe:
>Frozen land and Rapunzel teacups, opens in Paris March 29, 2026
>Lion King Splash Mountain water ride at Paris Studio park, late 2027 at the earliest
>New scenes in Rivers of the Far West in 2026
>Universal UK set for 2031
Asia:
>Multi-launch Spider-man coaster at Shanghai DL, no date yet
>Spider-Man Drop Tower at Hong Kong DL, Doc Ock at some point
>Wreck-It-Ralph omnirover shooter replaces the already closed Buzz Lightyear in Tokyo by April 2026
>Tokyo Disneyland Space Mountain currently closed until 2027 for ground-up rebuild
>Tokyo maybe razing Adventureland 2026 or later?
Did I miss anything?
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Is it me or is the Shanghai Spider-man coaster really short? Feels like outside of potential show scenes, this is going to be comparable to Tron's length. Would be funny if all three of the park's coasters are under a minute in actual ride time.
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The head of Merlin Magic Making has jumped ship to head up the theming for Universal UK. They've done some good work for a while (Wicker Man, Smiler, Nemesis Reborn, Haunted House retheme) despite Merlin's penny pinching so she should be a good fit.
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>>2856276
Considering Universal will no doubt have higher budgets than Merlin usually has, we could expect some nice things.
So far things have been surprisingly quiet, I seem to remember Epic Universe having way more rumors early on about what the park would be, which ended up being pretty spot-on.
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>>2856278
Epic Universe had a lot more groundwork done before the initial announcement and at least two of the rides were things also considered for Studios. So far nothing has been done on the UK site except for prepping access for heavy vehicles with 28th being the date they've announced some road closures to give access to.
Don't forget that the original concept art for Epic Universe had all the lands disguised except for the ones they didn't think were guessable. HTTYD was initially thought to be a Dreamworks land by rumours/speculation.
Same seems to be happening for Universal UK. Back to the Future seems nailed on as the planning permission makes reference to the spike and it wasn't a 1:1 clone so it's left in there. The Waterworld arena is clearly a placeholder for what's thought to be a Bond show. Paddington like BTTF isn't "guessable".
This leaves the Jurassic World land and Minion land as recognisable areas. Placeholder or left in because they don't care about people spotting the similarities between it and the china park?
Then you've the mystery things. The Shrek location could be an artist having fun or it could be another one left in undisguised. Is the coaster over the water Jurassic World or will it be something else? Lastly there's one place completely unthemed, LOTR? Harry Potter (left even more vague because of the challenges in securing rights)?
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>>2856301
Why did I watch that
>REMEMBER THE MAGIC REMEMBER THE MAGIC
That fucking music was everywhere my first time and it's now going to be stuck in my head again, it's been almost 30 years and it still haunts me. I've got a whole bunch of photos from that trip somewhere, found one with my mum by the pool in the All Stars music wearing a very 90s sundress recently.
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>>2856254
It’s fucking amazing. Hangtime is great throughout the entire ride which is compounded by the fact that your entire body becomes weightless since you’re not sitting down and the restraints move up and down and has unlimited rerideability I went on it at the end of howloscream when the park was basically empty and the operators let us ride it 3x in a row straight through the station. Gave us thr kowabunga every time too. It was awesome
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>>2856262
What about Dollywood? Kennywood? Silver Dollar City? Cedar Point? Fucking SEA WORLD? BUSCH GARDENS? Jesus Christ, anon. Are you a disney adult?
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Tomorrow
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>>2856317
It happens, most often on extreme coasters as the margins between it stalling and producing way too many gs can be tiny. A particularly light train, on a cold dry track with a big gust of wind can play havoc on it.
Riders get evacc'ed and express passes but it can take a while depending where the train stalled (a big issue if they're in direct florida sun). Train gets winched up the next slope or worst case taken off the track by crane. I always find it a bit weird that stalls/valleying has been an issue since coasters were invented and they haven't come up some sort of battery powered tug that'll get the coaster up the next hill (and to the next block brake). Valleying can close the coaster for the day.
Think there are some coasters now that add a small LIM at risk points that lets them rock a car back and forth until it makes it around though.
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>>2856320
It happened on Rip Ride Rockit so frequently they had a dedicated winch system built in between the first drop and block brake. iirc one of the problems with that ride was it had extremely low wind tolerance and would stall out in 15mph gusts
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According to recent reports, the Thai government is putting together a pitch for The Walt Disney Company regarding a potential Bangkok Disneyland. It falls under the government’s Eastern Economic Corridor (EEC), a plan to strengthen the countries tourism and transport infrastructure. The theme park has been allocated roughly between 153 to 480 hectares of space.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/3171768/govt-looks-at-bri nging-a-disneyland-to-thailand
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>>2856332
Interesting, but at a glance this seems like a completely unfeasible project.
Immediately, one must consider the logistics of the increasingly lucrative Asian and Asian tourist market. What would a park in Bangkok achieve for Disney's ten year park plan when you consider how many more people with spendable income are in (or are visiting) Shanghai and Tokyo by comparison?
Secondly, where is the capital going to come from? Is this specified in the pitch? Do we have any idea of the budget?
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>>2856334
It could be their competitor to Universal Singapore, but considering it's not Disney themselves wanting it, I doubt it'll happen. Best case is that it's a Dubai/Tokyo situation where the investors are the ones footing the bill (which is also the case for USS)
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Who's YOUR /tpg/fu?
Who would you want to spend some time with down at one of the parks?
For me its dfb brea
she sometimes has appeared on some allears vids and has this quirky energy that makes me feel like she love to cuddle and is possibly a freak in the bedroom if you catch my meaning
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>>2856344
Nah. Parks are pretty stingy about that.
Although one time my family got BGT funpasses for the year because the woman doing my sister's hair wrap accidentally removed a chunk of hair from her scalp. I didnt lose any hair at all but they gave me one too.
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>>2856351
This is an advanced level of autism I cannot endorse nor engage withsuperenthused
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>>2856351
probably Bianca, steal her from pcdev. He's got a record anyway he cant do anything to me
>hello my friends I hope all of you are having an awesome...
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>>2856334
Their selling point is they have nothing to cover for Southeast Asia with a population of 600 million, plus it is closer to Australia and New Zealand then the other options. Any planning/funding/etc would be private and not really be known until it succeeds or failed.
Will it happen? Almost definitely not, various parks have been pitched (such as the first Japan pitch, or earlier Middle East pitches) but that does not mean they will take them. I bet you there are some really wonky pitches that have happened before we never heard of
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>>2856378
There's barely any Disney people that post here and the ones that do are just depressed anons that like dark rides. The disney people you're referring to would see the word nigger be used once and smash their laptop with a hammer. The facebook moms and fat instagram cosplay theater kids do not post here.
>>2856339
Probably because it's tame and a borderline family coaster at a coaster park. If that ride system was used at Dis or Uni or even something very highly themed at Dollywood it would have made a bigger splash.
>>2856359
What rumor?
>>2856357
I was saying that having a waifu that's a niche internet theme park youtuber is pretty autistic but if I had to pick, I'd plow Jackie like I was a chinese rice farmer and the emperor was stopping by later to do an inspection
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>>2856383
Yeah that’s the entire point. Despite being a pretty simple and short layout it’s fun as fuck. It should have been the prototype that every park suddenly needed one of. Instead no one has ordered one but one park in China.
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>>2856384
He wants a DEI program for Coaster Parks where /tpg/ pretends that a bunch of plastic pumpkins being strung up in a tree at a regional park is equally relevant to Halloween Horror Nights.
/rcg/ must sustain itself and stop mooching off /tpg/s effort. I tried to get this general to talk about Falcon's Flight and pushed a lot of the discussion about the new park but /rcg/ decided to bitch about imaginary disney adults instead of actually discussing rollercoasters. So they can just stay mad for all I care.
>>2856385
You realize this hypothetical fake scenario makes thoosies look like little bitches, right?
>>2856386
The highly themed parks take a while to get things going due to the time it takes to design all the additional shit out. Could be one in development. I'd like to see it used again but without the "Surf" theme.
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>>2856383
>There's barely any Disney people that post here
Most of the posts itt and the previous rcg+tpg are people talking about Disney merchandise, shrubs being moved at some Disney park, and dumb as hell speculation about hypothetical Disney parks.
The actually interesting Disney content (let alone non-Disney/Universal discussion) is diluted by shitposts about basically nothing and uninteresting Disney minutiae. It sucks.
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There is only one piece of theme park merch I own and if this makes me a "Disney Adult" I wear that label with pride
>>2856391
Just talk about whatever interests you man. I'd rather see you autistically ramble about SteVe than read another slap fight between two anons dick measuring over who has the most chromosomes.
>>2856392
I was the guy that initiated the move from /tv/ to here after getting banned like 20 times trying to set up /tpg/ there. The discussions there were kino cause we attracted the weirdest freaks on /tv/. High water mark was when we dispatched an anon to check out that one guy's jerk off den but I cant find the pics.
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>>2856481
>Really if you are fucking 70 years old you should not be going on a thrill roller coaster.
Untrue, retirees and older people ride them all the time without issue. But seemingly healthy teens and adults have died on them because of an undiagnosed or unknown preexisting condition. Aneurysm is a common one. You're really never too old to ride a coaster.
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>>2856481
Depends on the person. I met a guy at BGT that was in his 80s and spends his retirement traveling around doing coasters all over the world. He said he did 10 rides on Iron Gwazi back to back to back. He was in great shape though and looked 70
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Last time I was at BGT everyone had to wait forever for them to load this old lady, on an oxygen tank, in a wheel chair, who must have been at least 90, onto the train. I was like, whoa! That’s a bold old bird. Everything went fine. Fast forward to later in the afternoon. I’m about to get onto Iron fucking Gwazi, when what do I see coming from the opposite side of the station? It’s the same old lady on oxygen in a wheel chair. They load her into the LAST SEAT ON THE TRAIN. After the ride I immediately stand up, and while all the young people have that typical omg Iron Gwazi face on, this old bird was smiling and laughing ear to fucking ear. I bet she was an absolute hoot when she was younger
>tldr well engineered rides don’t regularly kill people, regardless of their age and medical condition
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Gentlemen, start your engines.
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River Adventure boats are being stored at Epic.
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>>2856505
You mean the Mack Rocking Boat? BGT for sure as its already in development. This isnt the Mack Rocking Boat though. These are the ride vehicles for Jurassic Park being stored at Epic for the next year while they refurb River Adventure. The new coaster track pieces started showing up today and are also being stored at Epic for the time being. There's a lot of available space at epic to store shit and they bring the pieces they need for the day over at night before installing them.
The silver color scheme is making me think it could theoretically be BTTF.
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>>2856505
Those aren’t Mack rocking boats, but the old Jurassic park boats. I think Busch gardens will get a Mack boat first as Epic prob won’t get one for at least 4-5 more years, if ever. It’s still all speculation about Creature
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>>2856505
BG. It’s going to be the spiritual successor to Rhino Rally, which is one of, if not my fav ride of all time, esp if you’ve ridden it with the whitewater section when the bridge breaks.
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>>2856512
BG desperately needs indoor attractions. If you go between march and august there's a 70% chance 90% of the park will be unavailable to you for several hours during your visit. Something like The Mummy would be big for them.
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>>2856047
I hope the idea of Qiddiya takes off. Building 'entertainment cities' as opposed to walled off parks. Would be great if developers were free to compete within parks, as opposed to some private equity corpo having a monopoly on the space.
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>>2856517
I’m more of a pic rel type of guy, but thanks for sharing that ride, it looks fun. Never been on a 4D coaster. They look like they would cause a lot of nausea
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Name a more underutilized ride vehicle.
Universal of the 90s would have made a 10/10 dark ride with this thing. Parking it in front of dogshit screens when it can drive outdoors is a travesty
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>>2856523
Nothing at modern day universal can compare to Universal of the 90s. King Kong, Earthquake, Twister, Jaws, heck even Terminator with the smells and actors, not to mention the waterski and boat stunt shows. Now it’s all watered down, screen focused, “mass appeal” goyslop. They’re riding by on the coat tails of good will and good engineering my from decades past and they know they can keep pushing out lowest possible cost slop bc plebs will keep eating it up
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>>2856525
It’s all “muh IP” faggots. Shit you not, I know people who go disney and/or universal, ride the one ride they wanted to ride bc it was their fav IP, then leave. You see it at events like HHH too - I’ve met people who will go for one specific haunted house bc it’s themed to their fav show/ IP, then fucking leave. Literal NPCs
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>>2856527
Oh. And they spend more time taking pictures for FB/ Insta than actually enjoying the park. It’s just sad and soulless. There are millions of people just like this, and that’s who the parks are now catering to. They don’t try anymore bc they know they don’t need to. Just look at what happened at disney and the new cars section. It’s just sad
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Counter-point.
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>>2856531
RRReplacement. Being announced today. They also painted the work wall black last night.
90% chance its Fast and Furious. 10% chance its BTTF
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>Hollywood Drift
>In the New York section of the park.
What were they thinking?
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And now...we wait
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>>2856535
Lmao. This desu
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https://youtu.be/ghxzLw2wRis
We made it bros.
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Official press release.
>170ft spike over city walk
Wew lad
>>2856545
It's the biggest showbuilding on property. It's so big it has a HHN house stuffed inside of it. Supercharged didnt just take over Earthquake, it also removed the Beetlejuice stage for the extended queue so the actual space available there is immense. It had better be a 10/10 god-tier dark ride. If it's just the same shit but themed to the Night Bus that's a huge missed opportunity
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>>2856518
It's a great coaster. Didn't get any nausea from it, but it was so wild I couldn't tell you anything that happened after the first drop. Easily the most intense coaster I have personally been on, but for fun at Fuji-Q, I think I prefer Fujiyama.
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>>2856546
~2.5x the hagrids spike, ~0.6x the BTTF spike. Sounds a fun enough coaster but it's not going to be as good as the Hollywood one.
Intrigued by them saying the Hollywood one will be one of a kind though, implies there's more of a difference than just layout. Will the Orlando one be free-spinning instead of controlled spinning?
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>>2856555
The entire point of the ride system is a controlled spin so they can simulate drifting around corners.
It's probably just the layout and the fact it's on a hill. If the leaked layout video was true (which looks to be likely) the Orlando one is going to go much higher and be a lot more intense.
I just wish they would differentiate them with names. Sunset drift or Backlot drift would have been better
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>>2856553
I only did Fuji-Q and the two Disney parks. If you want coasters, Fuji-Q is great, but if you want theming and/or dark rides, DisneySea is the best theme park I've been to.
>>2856556
The should have called it Fast and Furious: Race Through New York, so they could kill two shit rides with one coaster.
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>>2856546
>170ft
They should have made it 200ft tall to tie Mako even though the train won’t even go all the way up the spike. Or 199ft if they gotta put a flashing light on it at 200ft. It doesn’t make a difference in ride experience but it would sound cooler. In reality this is only a couple ft higher than the old coaster and again it won’t go up the whole spike
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>>2856546
It is wild that they are still calling it "Hollywood" despite not being anywhere near Hollywood like its twin.
>INB4 it sucks just as much as RRR but now they need to cope for a few years and tear 2 of them down instead of just 1.
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Probably costs a (relative) fortune to send a LIM launched vehicle that high. Gravity hills are free energy after the first lift hill, but everything a LIM does has a dollar cost for the electricity. Top Thrill was estimated to cost the park $3-5 per launch just due to the electricity. The ride vehicle already (presumably) eats electricity due to having the charge the trains for the spin mechanic + ride audio.
Probably also the engineering of the track + unique controlled spin vehicle doesn't allow for the forces a launch that high would require.
Universal has never really cared that much about the thoosie records anyways. They had plans for a 200ft hypercoaster in the pad that eventually became Skull Island but scrapped it. Clearly it's not a priority.
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>>2856770
That's 365k per year. It adds up, especially if you consider the maintenance expenses of the LIMs and cooling they require on top of that.
I'm honestly just speculating but it's probably not as simple as just tacking 30 additional feet on top of the spike and cranking the LIMs to max power.
>>2856771
I'm saying there's no disney adults that post here. I highly doubt any anon from this general is lining up at 7am to get a limited edition Moana popcorn bucket. You're fighting an imagined enemy.
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>>2856388
I wouldn’t say the highly themed parks are the target of the surf coaster anyway. Those parks need high capacity and standup coasters require extra loading time. Also Pipeline’s theming is light/easy. Most of the queue has no theming and the loading area is shit like item storage being coolers.
I guess the hard part is that you can’t exactly disassociate surfing with the coaster, and even shitty chains like Six Flags make low effort attempts at theming like with DC and western areas. So they’d have to come up with some reason to have a beach themed coaster. But Sea World? There’s no reason they all shouldn’t have one of them.
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>>2856391
A key point is that no one here actually goes to parks frequently. Most people who talk about parks here are referring to some distant memory, not something that they did recently. I will actually post here while in a queue at a park reporting my experiences but pretty much no one else does this.
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>>2856774
Disney could do it as a Silver Surfer coaster. Or Moana. I think it can be separated from the surfing concept though.
>>2856775
Cant. Janny forbid it and the threads will be deleted. This general was the agreed upon compromise. All you can do is advertise this genny's existence when you see people discussing things tangentially related to theme parks or rollercoasters.
>>2856776
I go at least once a month. A few of us have passes and there's at least 2 guys that work at Universal that post here.
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>>2856774
If only there was a Disney property that is still massively popular internationally where surfing features!
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>>2856780
IMO Stitch should be utilized by Disney as a "break glass in case of needing a billion dollars" situation and be done in a way that's a parody of the classic disney dark rides. Like it would start out as a normal dark ride but then stitch comes in and fucks it all up kinda like the monkey from Mystic Manor.
It's kinda nuts he isnt utilized at all in the parks given how much of a merch juggernaut the IP is. He has bought so many vacation homes for disney shareholders. He's the one IP that appeals to moms as much as it appeals to their kids.
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>>2856773
>I'm saying there's no disney adults that post here.
Lmao "oh I'm totally not a Disney Adult! All I do is read about Disney, watch Disney movies on Disney+, daydream about Disney, visit Disney parks when I can, and discuss all things Disney online... But at least I'm not one of them!"
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So what's actually going here?
You can bet on at least 3 bars and a coaster less thrilling than Tron with the theming of Slinky Dog. But what else?
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>>2856798
It's the only theme park ride I've ever felt the, "so bad it's good," feeling for. Literally everything about it is wrong, so much so that I feel absolute joy riding it. I still hate it for replacing the obviously superior Earthquake, but I admit a very small part of me will miss giant Vin Diesel hanging off a tiny helicopter.
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Pic rel is the ride I’ve mourned the loss of more than any other in the past couple years
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Disney Urbexfags you have one fucking job. Adam The Woo is gone and no one has the balls now
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>>2856878
Look at the aerial photo, it’s literally just a corrugated steel warehouse they skimped on, thinking they could ride the IP as high as the fucking moon. Obviously even starfags have a limit of how much they’ll get ripped off
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>>2856807
Multi-launch coaster and I'd wager a dark ride using the Peterpan/Avengers system.
As it's naturally going to skew a bit older I think the coaster is going to be another "family+" on straddling the line between family and white knuckle (big drop and airtime hills) but it feels like it needs a USP to properly differentiate between Tron, it'll 100% be an Intamin but a tilt launch like Tokyo wouldn't make sense.
As the other anon said, lots of places to spend money. A sit down restaurant (don't think it'll be a character breakfast place as too big of a risk of screaming kids), a quick service and a drinks focused place. They'll 100% try again to make a butterbeer meme item after failing with blue milk.
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Regional theme park fan going to break some fresh news for you
>Universal Studios Japan has revealed plans for new Pokémon experiences, which will then be introduced to Universal's parks across the world.
https://blooloop.com/universal-studios-japan-pokemon-experiences/
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>>2856878
>middle class completely priced out of it
>while at the same time not being good enough for richfags who could afford it
Dumb idea that could never possibly succeed. A 3-day star wars larp experience would always have needed to be expensive just to break even because of all the actors required, but the amount of people who both want a 3 day star wars larp and can afford something like that is very small. If it was just a regular hotel themed to star wars instead of a larp experience it probably would've been fine, they should've done that instead.
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>>2856947
I feel there must have been a dozen points where they should've stopped and gone "This concept can't work". They should have looked at their own cruise ships, Butlins or Centre Parcs and done something closer to a holiday camp or all inclusive resort. The crossover between people who do theme holidays and murder mystery weekends, those who are rich, those who have families, those who would book a holiday in Disney but not actually do Disney... is tiny.
The capacity, the cost, those insane "you will be doing this activity for 23 minutes before spending 15 minutes on this activity" schedules, the fake buffet where you get interrupted by the dinner show (sucks for those seated at the end), Going to Disney but only spending 2 hours in the park. It's telling that when the initial set of bookings dried up that they had to rush out a load of "we'll give you money off if you book a disney holiday afterwards" offers.
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>>2856935
>across the world
Interesting wording. Saying across the world and not just "US and JP" hints that Shanghai and/or UK may possibly see it, Mario Kart ride system for a Pokemon Safari in UK? So current rumours (with some basically confirmed) are
>Spider-man in Tokyo is becoming Pokemon
>Pokemon is going to be lost continent in orlando, Zelda in Epic
>Pokemon still rumoured for the Simpsons replacement but that seems less likely if IoA gets a Pokemon ride
Most widespread rumours from Universal end up being true at points (they just change plans a lot like with MoM changing ride systems and parks constantly)
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>>2856999
I wonder if the Universal employees who play the characters at The How To Train Your Dragon land know alot about Norse Mythology since their characters would obviously know all about it, and some autist could try asking them something like "who's are favorite norse god who isn't Thor, Odin or Loki?"
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>>2856999
it seems to be on a "need to know" basis
characters who feature heavily in kingdom hearts like donald and goofy, their actors are likely told or already know about kindom hearts
everyone else will have a high variance
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>falcons flight hasnt had any significant operation challenges
I'll be damned. They really did the impossible with this one. If it was stateside or in EU people would be going apeshit for it. Every single person online was predicting total disaster on all fronts but they pulled it off
>>2857020
Universal makes incredibly dogshit blockbusters that any thinking person would look at and immediately diagnose as terrible merely by the trailer, yet they still bring in billions. It's maddening. What was the last major hit film Universal had?
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>>2857023
The doomers saying it wouldn’t open are idiots. I do wonder how it will hold up long term. There is too much track in hard-to-get-to areas. For TT2’s spike work last summer they had to rent a million dollar crane. This is much taller than TT2 and has some other areas that I’m curious how they’ll hold up to the desert heat and sand. Check back in six months.
Side note, the reviews on Reddit are insufferable. They each start out with a novel about how they were built with horrific labor conditions. Yeah it’s in Saudi Arabia. Who cares? Stop trying to virtue signal. Also the first review was from some gay. Like why would you risk going there? And he said the rainbow lighting was “pride colors”. Give the rainbow back to the kids you degenerates
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>>2857027
Reddit is deddit now. Every thread is low effort '''joketelling''', rehashing memes, proving pop culture references and divisive bullshit.
Feels botted.
I always maintain, if a post doesn't leave you feeling informed, it's bot-adjacent. If something tries to promote something which any nation state would benefit from, it's bot-adjacent.
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>>2856878
>doomed on a conceptual level
No. Conceptually it's fine. People theoretically would love to larp at a star wars hotel.
It's at just about every single level of execution that it falls apart. Despite all its problems the absolute worst one is that it's entirely focused on the sequel trilogy. I guarantee you it would still be operating today if it was OT.
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>>2857109
I’ve not really visited any parks outside of the UK and Florida, but when I was growing up I thought Knotts had an excellent reputation and it sounded like it was a place worth visiting if you made it out to California. Recently, I hear bad things about the demographics and all the stereotypes that come with that. Is it true? Bc it was on my bucket list when I was a growing up so I really want to visit but I don’t want to end up in the type of park with a “rowdy unaccompanied teenager” problem and have my dreams smashed
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>>2857115
The problems generally scale with crowds, the park is absolute kino on slow days but pretty bad on busy days. I think the chaperone policy helps a bit since I haven't heard as many bad things as there were in ~2022
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Is USJ worth it? I’ll be going to Osaka this year in like November. I did USF and Island of adventure last year and was able to ride everything. If not are there any other good parks? Note I am 6’6 so if even trying to go to these theme parks is a waste let me know.
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>Great Adventure survey went out
>Asking if people prefer the theming of Boardwalk (current area that will get the spinning coaster) or DC
>They might theme their last chance coaster to turn around the park after fucking DC, the second DC themed low capacity shuttle coaster on concrete in the past 3 years
Please shut down the park if it happens, there is no plan and it is not possible to improve the industry-low reputation if this is what they are doing
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>>2856047
I have now begun the work of reviewing Epcot Late Night Party. Soon you will be enjoying my review.
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>>2856047
Review of Epcot Party night
Nostalgia is a powerful thing. The minute I arrived, I realized you can never recapture what we had in the 90s. Our culture was homogenous. We were all polite. We were all Christian. Mostly white. Things have vastly changed. I was amazed that Epcot makes so much money but it was so dirty. Had grime everwhere. Street was dirty. Walking up Soarin was astonishing. The carpet needs vaccuming and cleaning. Stains.
The rides themselves are as good as I remember.
I got my two least favorite songs on the Guardians playlist. Blondie and Chumba Still, the ride is the best ride ever made.
Test Track is a classic Epcot ride. Good ride.
I had to run to everything for three hours in order to get my itinerary done. Loved being able to get free snacks all night.
The workers were a little annoyng. They almost seemed to mock us. But I've always loved the Disney model where the workers are friends and kind to each other and also get to enjoy the night by dancing and having fun of their own. Customer service went down a little. When I asked questions they just acted like they didn't know anything.
I don't like the additions. The creation store and the glorified starbucks. Ugly.
I got on all the rides including rides that have one to two hour waits normally under fifteen minutes. Most of the people there were adults. One lady got drunk and I think she got sick on the Test Track ride. It was weird to see at Disney. They used to never have alcohol. I wonder how they're gonna handle this new angle of derilict. They have to be making bank off of the alcohol though $$.
The guests were very different from Bush Gardens and from Magic Kingdom which usually has very young happy families.
Lots of wealthy gays taking photos with the kids they bought. Lots of liberals. Nobody was smiling. My kid kept farting so mahybe thats why. It always seems like my kids decide to do silent farts in these long lines to rides I really want to go on.
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The culture really struck me the most. A lot of liberalism. Disney used to lean right wing. It was kind of clean like the way Mormons portray themselves with the perfect families and the Good Life.
I think the vibe of the night was really not that great.
A lot of the guests were there for the exact same reason I was. To ride rides. They didn't care about the dance music. Tbh I found the music obnoxious. I expected a more relaxing vibe with jazz playing. Not dance music.
I didn't get to ride my favorite ride. Mexico. Becuase it was only 3 hours and I wanted to make sure to get in the rides that usually have much longer wait times. I basically paid to ride Guardians twice.
I got into a fight with my spouse who hates Disney because they wanted to ride the Mission Space ride and I'm terrified of that ride and they wanted me to go. I'm the one who paid for everything. I did this instead of getting a dishwasher.
The spouse and I were talking about the IP thing. I finally understand why everyone whines about it.
IN the Mexico ride, the ride was about the Mexico experience, with the characters just briefly showcased. It wasn't about the characters, it was about Mexico.
Norway has been completely erased to just be Frozen. France was erased to be Ratatouille. Well, actually France area looks really nice. They did a great job there. I loved how it looked. I think my big issue is I already saw the movie and these rides are just like opening a kid's book and watching scenes from the movie. No innovation, no mystery, no learning, no new experience. It takes away the education aspect and exciting STEM/ IMAGINATION of the earlier Epcot rides. I don't like that its going straight to low IQ entertainment. They had some artists showcasing their work there. Good artwork. Talented. The prints weren't overpriced either. Only $50.
They also block half the park. They block around France and Norway. That means no Japanese store. Its my favorite store.
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>>2856361
I haven't seen Bianca in forever. When he first started dating her, he was hitting above his weight. Now it seems like he manages to keep himself in shape while she gets fat. She gets judgy about people who show their kids on youtube. I get it but I personally enjoy that the Trackers share parts of their personal lives. I think he dragged her into his channel. She reminds me of my spouse. Is not a Disney adult. I heard she has a disease that messes up her spine too. I wonder why they haven't had any kids or gotten married? they've been together forever. Millenials are so noncommital.
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>>2857115
A season pass at Knott’s is cheaper than a day admission at Disneyland and it also has the rides that are more attractive to teens. Given its SoCal location, naturally these teens tend to be undesirables. Disneyland has this undesirables problem too but Knott’s is a lot cheaper and has more teen-friendly rides. They do habe a chaperone policy which has helped ands its definitely still worth visiting
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>>2857214
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Overall its worth it. The views of the water with the different lights are lovely. The rides are all under 15 minutes. The snacks are a great perk.
I don't like that most restaurants are closed. Its weird that Epcot is now using normie music instead of their own for some things. The customers didn't seem very happy. It wasn't relaxed. I wanted an adult quieter vibe. It was nice having employees and not having massive crowds. At 9 pm the crowds are depressing. I can't believe how many people get packed into that place. It feels like Hong Kong. Way too many people.
Its also dirty. Magic Kingdom and Busch Gardens are very sparkly, clean, using lots of plants for the Fl sun. This place needs better cleaning crews. The bathrooms were stinky. I was glad they had the toilet covers.
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If you're in Osaka you could do worse than spend a day there. I was just there last October/November so I can tell you crowds will be intense and queues will be long (i.e. 3 hours for Minecart Madness as an example), but not as intense as October when HHN is happening. Still, no way you'll be able to do every ride unless you get express pass.
I can answer some questions if you've got any. Not sure if your height will cause issues but some stuff like Mario Kart would be very cramped I imagine, the restraints are a bit tighter in general.
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Bad news. It appears Wicked was a hit.
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>>2856780
Supposedly B&M doesn’t want to work with Disney because of design flexibility and Disney wanting creative control. Vekoma is a better partner for them anyways. B&M’s newest coasters including Pipeline are a bit rattley while Vekoma makes the smoothest coasters around now.
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>>2857287
>Supposedly B&M doesn’t want to work with Disney because of design flexibility and Disney wanting creative control. Vekoma is a better partner for them anyways.
Yeah. In the past Disney wanted to use custom-designed trains one of their coasters, I think it was RnRC, and Vekoma is one company that is receptive to those kinds of ideas. B&M will want to sell you the design, track, and trains, but you have to take all of them. They don't want you running third party hardware on their system. Intamin isn't much different. That's their approach to mitigating liability more than anything.
>B&M’s newest coasters including Pipeline are a bit rattley
You guys have got to get over this
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>>2857289
I only mentioned it because others mentioned it. I’ve been on Iron Menace, Pipeline and Penguin Trek and thought they were all fine. Not as smooth as Vekoma’s newer coasters but on Iron Menace and Penguin Trek I didn’t experience the problem.
Intamin still works with Disney but I remember they released liability over modifications to what is now Incredicoaster and the DCA Ferris wheel which they also made. Disney had the loop retracked (more than once) and after market parts for repairs which is an intamin no-no. That’s also why Volcano got axed because KD had them upgrade the controls and they refused to proceed without purchasing and installing Intamin parts to replace after market parts they’d been using. They told them F you and closed it instead
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>>2857228
Did you forget that half of the ride is a shitty jibjab video in the dark?
The loud rickety ass ride vehicles and the shit ending killed any re-rideability. I never rode it in it's previous iterations but I just watched a pov on youtube to get an idea of what the downwards portion used to be like. No idea what prompted them to butcher it. I was under the impression that maybe they just ran out of room but it appears that they used to have proper sets back then so wtf?
Hot take but Spaceship Earth in it's current form is not even top 5 Epcot rides and that's an absolutely generational fuckup of galactic proportions.
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>>2857274
They tied WfG to every possible thing but it wasn't popular enough to deserve it. Plus Ariana Grande is a filth loud mouthed liberal atheist. And so is the creepy bald lady. The movie is so promoted but the set looks cheap.
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>>2857470
There's a strong argument that it's the best family coaster in the world, it's fairly understandable it remains popular.
E-ticket family coasters are always massive waits, even if they're nothing special
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>>2857437
It's fucked. I love theme parks but the level of jewish schemes that are normalized now is absurd. When they roll out on demand single ride express its gonna be a shitshow
The biggest problem is the single rider queue starts 1/3rd of the way into the standby queue and the people working the gate never know if its open or not so you have to either wait in standby hoping single rider is open, or cut through the line like a jackass and hope its open otherwise you have to walk all the way back out of the line like a jackass.
I honestly think a politician would do very well in florida running on banning fastpasses in general. Every the fucking florida state fair has them now
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>>2857482
Hyde Park Winter Wonderland has them and the rides are expensive as fuck to begin with.
Ultimately though, queues like Hagrids happen from having an unbalanced park. You need a "nah, not today" factor but when a ride is such an overwhelming priority that has a much smaller effect. Another family thrill ride at IoA would have a massive effect.
Wonder what effect USUK will have. UK visitors will obviously be hit but I suspect you could see a few Brazillians cross the Atlantic for their holiday too.
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Alright here's some ride stuff:
>Hollywood Dream
THE USJ ride. Fun coaster that gives you some really nice views of the park as it goes all around the entrance area. You can select one of 5 music tracks, but everyone will choose "Osaka Lover", the "canon" way to ride. It's like a shared cultural experience there, don't be surprised to see people singing along and vibing to it. Very fun experience, but of course you can pick whatever you feel like. There is also a backwards version, but I haven't done that one as the queue for that one is the longest. Also, this one is extra nice to do at night, so if you can only do it once wait until it's dark.
>Space Fantasy
Spinning coaster. Was closed when I went, maybe it'll be open for you. Sometimes has seasonal overlays.
>4D theater
They often change what is playing here, so keep an eye out to see what it is. Usually it's anime or something like Godzilla.
>Flying Dinosaur
Really intense flying coaster. I'll be the first to admit I was too pussy to ride it, but the people I was with fucking love it. Definitely the highest profile exclusive here.
>Jaws
Didn't used to be exclusive but sadly now it is. Don't miss out, it is an absolute classic. Everything is in Japanese of course, but it doesn't make it any less fun.
>Mario Kart
Pretty fun to do once and the queue is fantastic, but honestly the ride itself is pretty underwhelming. If you don't want to wait like two hours at least for it, you might wanna skip.
>Mine Cart Madness
I personally loved this ride a lot (as a big fan of the DK games), but that wait time is astronomical. If you go to the park like an hour in advance to rope drop and run over there first thing as the park opens you'll only have to wait like 60-90 minutes, otherwise it rarely gets below 3 hours. Up to you if you wanna put in that effort or not.
There's also Minions and an entire kiddie land with Sesame Street, Snoopy and Hello Kitty, but you probably don't care about that
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>>2857499
Here's some general stuff as well
>Get there early, people in Japan start lining up like two hours in advance, it's no joke. I was there about an hour/45-ish minutes before and there were already shittons of people.
>You might need to get an entry pass for Super Nintendo World. If you go there first thing in the morning you can just walk right in, but after it fills up you will need to get a return ticket so you can enter at a specific time.
>There's a second rush of people in the afternoon when school is out, USJ is a very big locals park and students use it to hang out after school.
>Crowds get a lot more manageable the last two hours before closing. Since you mentioned Potter, we were able to walk right up to it just before closing. Keep an eye out for that.
>Staff is ridiculously nice and happy. Don't be surprised if you buy something at a store and they strike up a little conversation to ask how your day is, if it's your first time here, etc.
>They have tons of seasonal snacks, overlays etc, so look up if there's anything that might interest you. Be aware that their snack game is huge and people will line up for everything.
>Hot dog in the Donkey Kong area is very nice, worth a try
>Don't think you can eat something in City Walk after the park closes, all those restaurants close super early. If you still need dinner like we did, either eat it beforehand in the park, or take the train back into the city and eat something there.
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Speaking of waits and queues, I wish Jimmy Fallon was less shit of a ride so the queue structure took off. I think having a large open room full of shit to do is better than standing and slowly shuffling through people's farts and sweat odor for an hour
How some park hasnt allowed people to wait in an arcade type area with a restaurant to maximize sale potential is beyond me. They monetized damn near everything else.
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>>2857540
Disney already has it. When I was there last year I was kinda shocked. When I went to Avatarland, the app was pushing me to buy 3 lighting lane uses for like $20/person. They probably make bank when the line is like 50 minutes and people are faced with either waiting or dropping $80.
It's totally fucked and should be illegal. It used to be that your ticket price covered the rides and everything else cost money, but they are taking away the rides part so what exactly is the ticket buying?
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>>2857549
i'm not sure why you're doing backflips to try and justify enriching properties on the stock market. they're legally obligated to facilitate the world's biggest wealth transfer, and scam you for all they can.
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>>2857551
Are you retarded? I understand how capitalism works, but there's part of the equation you are ignoring and that is the role of regulation in a democratic system and general consumer sentiment. If people feel ripped off they eventually stop consuming and business practices are dropped or updated
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>>2857443
I used to wait in 3 hour lines to ride Millennium Force and Top Thrill Dragster back in the 2000s and it was worth it. Maybe not so much Dragster but it was still pretty incredible. In unthemed switchbacks. Millennium had a DJ in the queue. The themed and shaded Hagrid’s queue is a much more comfy way to spend 3 hours and IMO it’s worth it too.
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>>2857660
The actual ride has nothing except a little rock work though. It’s got some scenic views of IOA but low to the ground you see backstage walls. It’s not immersive, you go past Harry Potter land right before the roll over the water. I don’t mind at all but calling it immersive is ridiculous.
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>>2857670
>Call the water roll the "Mosasaur roll"
>No mosasaur figure in the water to growl at cars going by
Wasted potential. Wouldn't even be that bad to look at from Potterland, wizards would just call it a sea monster
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>>2857675
Why is it called mosasaurus roll? I don’t remember it doing a death roll like a crocodile in the movie (which is what the death roll element on Iron Gwazi is named after). Wasn’t this the dino that jumped out of the water? Would be a good place the jump out if they could get the timing down. As for seeing it from Potter, I don’t think Universal cares about sight lines the way Disney does considering all the visible areas with different theming and backstage stuff. And they even hired Disney imagineers. To be fair Disney isn’t as good at it in recent years
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>>2857535
Holding rooms only work for theaters. For rides you need to keep the line moving. I don’t even care for the switchbackless queues. They’re drawn out, take up more room, have interactive shit that holds up the line, and they overflow into switchbacks anyways. They also cause line jumping.
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>>2857685
I don’t understand pre shows for rides. Haunted Mansion makes sense since the DL original is an elevator. Cosmic Rewind, Gringotts, Rise, older rides like Test Track and Dinosaur and RnRC. It’s not really a line control method. Is it just to entertain or to sometimes (but not always) give rider instructions? They should just modify them to work with the rooms filled with switchbacks to keep things moving
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>>2857681
>They also cause line jumping.
Switchbacks do too. I can't figure how long corridors would promote them, but we didn't have anything like that where I worked (it was mostly switchbacks or serpentine paths).
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They entertain & give instructions but also can function as a way to start breaking down the line into groups of whatever size they've designed it for. Ultimately they're a time sink but guests don't feel like they're in line; even better, operations can plan their next moves based on how much time is left for the pre-show.
I've seen many different pre-shows (though not all of them ofc) and I've thought about why they're around. All of them seem to share the characteristics above. There could be other reasons too. I wonder what spurred them on - at some point in the past, you just waited in lines without pre-shows. I wonder how old they are and what the first pre-show was?
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>>2857699
You can still have those story elements with switchback rooms instead of holding pens where everybody doesn’t pay attention and rushes the door. The Rise and Gringotts queues have more unique elements that add immersion but they still have holding pens where people rush the door. On rides like RnRC and ToT, many repeat riders use those pre show rooms to legally cut in line. RnRC was bad when they had the two rows because no matter where you were when the doors opened the people behind you would rush in front of you and push kids out of the way even. I fucking hate that, it makes me aggressive and defensive to do the same or keep my spot and I would prefer not to have to do that.
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>>2857701
>can function as a way to start breaking down the line into groups
I used to think this too but it really doesn’t make sense. It makes sense for theaters but not rides. Also Disney made a lot of pre shows into walkthroughs during covid and it didn’t change anything from a line management perspective. It makes some people think they’re not in line but then afterwards there is usually more line. I prefer the Star Tours type lines with entertainment in line and videos while you wait that give instructions. And Indiana Jones before they ruined the nice queue with fast pass
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>>2857709
>I used to think this too but it really doesn’t make sense.
It does to me, though
>Also Disney made a lot of pre shows into walkthroughs during covid and it didn’t change anything from a line management perspective
Yeah. But guest numbers were way down then too. Cutting the pre-show probably saved some staffing costs directly or indirectly. It's kind of like how some coasters will have dual loading stations but the park will only run one of them when they don't expect to be busy.
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>>2857721
It only makes sense based on the queue’s current layout with the preshow because there is a post-show queue that can’t be overfilled. If there is one long queue without a preshow, there is no overfill concern since there is no longer a post-show queue. There would be no benefit to breaking the queue up into groups. Btw, there was no FP during Covid so the queues were much longer than standby lines are now, however, they moved much faster. Even though max capacity was capped, those queues were still filled up.
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>>2856861
Rode it during my first visit in 2023. It was generic and forgettable (and obviously old). I think this was a lot of people’s first inverting coaster and they have nostalgia for it but I don’t think it’s a big loss. When I rode it there was only one other person besides us.
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>>2857731
Nah I’m thinking of all of them (but not theaters). You’re probably only thinking of queues as-is with the preshow or converting pre shows into queues without modifications. Rides like Rise and Gringotts would need massive modifications and for Rise especially that would lose part of the experience. That’s kind of an isolated example though. How would splitting the queue up into groups help RnRC, Test Track, Gringotts, Rise, Guardians, ToT? From a line management and ride operator perspective, nothing would change if the quest was continuous and unbroken
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>>2856262
>Earn Lorcana Promo cards at Epcot thru Feb 23.
Earning special theme park exclusive cards at a theme park... diabolical.
I guess Universal could have special exclusive Pokemon cards at their parks, now that Pokemon is coming to them. (confirmed)
https://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/202601/12275/
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Went to Universal Epic Universe!
Had an allergic reaction to food, went to the back rooms. EMTs came, got a free EKG and vomited 2 bags full. All I got was 7 fast passes and my money back.
I was paying cash and didn't have my phone to look at the menu. There was no physical menu at all, the cashier literally read me the menu like I'm a retard. Apparently they put peanut butter in the BBQ Mac and Cheese cone. Not fun.
Stardust Racers was fucking thrilling, road it 3x. I lost braincells on the Yoshi ride, and the DK and Mario Kart rides are pretty tight. The ques were cool. Some 10 year old african youth cut me in line, and I made a huge deal out of it. My sister and her friend let the twerp through, and I can't believe I said fuck you to this kids face.
The HTTYD Coaster was really fun too, along with the werewolf coaster. Worth the wait. The Frankenstein ride was really super cool too, though it's much like the HP ride at Islands of Adventure. The HP ride at Epic though isn't very impressive. Emma Watson's pantyline is so obvious I had to ride it again. Theming was cool, the frozen Butterbeer was amazing though. The pizza restaurant wasn't that great, we had some purple crusted one.
The medical staff are total fucking bros by the way. Got my whole party in a van, drove us out back, saw the elusive dragon drone, and got to the front of the line for Harry Potter.
Overall had a good time, 8/10.
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>BBQ Mac and Cheese cone
You ordered a cone named PB&J that has the word peanut listed very clearly on the menu. I also have a peanut allergy and have never had a situation where I accidentally consume peanut products because I'm anal about asking and scanning menus. They should probably put a peanut icon next to the listing though for the people who quickly scan menus before vibe ordering, but it's kinda obvious what it is man. I may exploit this system for free fast passes and a refund though. My allergy isnt as bad as yours but I could ham it up for the medics.
When I ate from there, the woman making my cone was a large Shaniqua and got pissed when I ordered the dragon fire with 10 minutes left before park close so I'm assuming that's who read it to you.
Also that's CGI emma watson and a body double before you get excited. She had nothing to do with it beyond receiving the royalty checks
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>>2857732
It's for sure a nostalgia thing. When I went a few years ago I saw a bunch of teens and kids on it so it was still existing as the introduction to looping coasters. Riding it as an adult for the first time doesn't mean as much unless you just like vintage coasters.
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I'd consider the park as it stands to be an excellent start.
I'd call Httyd to be the nost complete, the other areas need some more b-teir attractions to soak up crowds a bit better.
Permits have already been acquired to expand Harry Potter, which is that area that desperately needs to the most and hopefully Nintendo is next
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>>2857913
>b-tier
There's zero reason at all for the park to not go AAA-tier. In fact, across Disney and Universal there is never a reason for rides to not be Rise/Hagrids level. I'd rather get an attraction like that every 3 years than some Minions Blast shit every year. Crowd soak is a meme. Take Islands for example. A huge percentage of the guests in the park are in one specific ride's line despite having tons of "b-tier" rides all over the place. The amount of rides is irrelevant when everyone just bum-rushes one specific ride. Having state of the art shit people feel compelled to do is vastly more important than just quantity.
Epic is simultaneously huge and small at the same time. Large footprint, but due to the additional theming, you cant just slap a flat ride down like you can at USF. So each addition from now on should be a total banger.
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I'm not arguing that point. I'm arguing with your statement that epic needs "b-tier" rides to soak up the crowds. The problem with theme parks is that anything they build stays there for at least a decade before its removal can be justified. So if they shit out some low quality experience just to "soak up the crowds" and it sucks, it's there until the mid 2030s at the least. I'd rather they take their time and develop something amazing than quickly slap something together just so there's """more to do""". Your line of thinking is how we got Curse of the Werewolf and Tiana's Bayou Adventure.
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>>2857960
I’ve still never seen the sky like this. The one time I got a clear sky in a place without light pollution the northern lights were all over it. Which isn’t exactly a bad substitute but I’d still like to see the stars.
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>>2857965
I consider the the most intense ride I have ever been on in my life to be Colossal Curl at Adventure Island. My family did not want to ride it so I went up as a solo rider. They force you to go with a group cause the raft has to be evenly weight distributed. I am about 150lbs and the three people I got grouped up with were clearly pushing 280 each.
We were going so fucking fast that when we reached the drop it was like the raft was being pulled out from under me by god himself. I could barely hang on to the handles and partially ejected from the raft as we reached the apex of the back wall. The raft rotated 180 degrees as we broke the high watermark on the wall and I got whipped around like a fucking doll. I managed to hang on, but my body was outside of the raft as we ended the ride.
Fat people make gravity rides fucking insane.
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>>2857960
The reality is that they really don't have an infinite budget, theme parks are a business and just because they could afford to do something doesn't mean they will. Sure, comcast could've doubled the budget of epic universe if they really wanted to, but that would significantly increase the amount of time it would take for the park to become profitable and make it a much riskier investment. People suggest building lower tier attractions for capacity because spending $200-400 million dollars on every single attraction is an unrealistic scenario that would never happen even if these companies could afford to do so.
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>>2857976
All of the flat rides at Islands were built with the park. Nothing b-tier has been put at islands since opening (Kong is supposed to be AAA but that's another argument all-together). Once a park is open and generating money, the game shifts from filling out the ride roster to capturing headlines and getting repeat visits with a new experience.
The design of Epic does not lend itself to allowing for b-tier rides in the same way that USF can, because the rides have to be incorporated into the overall immersive theming. You cant have a minion blast where you just slap some large posters on a show building and pretend it's Despicable Me themed. And you're right that they don't have an infinite budget, but they do have a budget and the parks make billions annually in profit. You make that money back pretty quick when you release a banger like Hagrids or Velocicoaster. It sells the tickets.
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There are monitors, they just don't display the cones. I didn't know you could order the cones from there.
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>>2856051
relaxing vlog of Golden Oaks resident visiting various parks during the day
https://youtu.be/ab4fpM8E-7I
DisneyBounding woman makes unbelievably cute yet comfortable outfits for the parks. she also has a really adorable old school Disney personality, none of the goth or liberal junk
https://youtu.be/A4lH9Ksanws
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgrznzpelro
FUCK, literal bit of history gone.
This one really hurts, Childhood memories of going on it. Required someone to manually operate the brakes. Dreamland was supposed to be set up to preserve old rides, what's the fucking point of it if it can't keep the oldest ride in the country running. You can't keep a woodie SBNO, especially by the sea, it's going to rot and they're going to be too fucking cheap to tear it down
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>>2858145
Always kinda weird when you get modern single lapbars like that and they given you nothing to hold get a good grip on, especially in a family ride that rocks around a lot and the drop is likely airtime/weightless.
What show's going on now?
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>>2858152
That's too bad. I wonder if they're going to remove it right away. Is it the one that derailed about a year ago and tore some of the track up (don't think anyone was injured)? There was a yt video of it happening.
The oldest coaster in the US - a side-friction ride in Pennsylvania - is facing an uncertain future again. It was restored a few decades ago and ran until a few years ago when the park's owners shut it down. They clearly don't want it anymore and are open to someone else relocating it, but I don't think there are any takers. Hate to say this but it wouldn't surprise me if it mysteriously burns down one of these days.
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>>2858154
It hit a piece of wood and jumped the tracks triggering the anti-derailment failsafe that basically forces the train into the undertrack, ripping it up as the train is force to stop. Don't think anyone was hurt, it did its job. It sounds a lot like an excuse not to keep it running, hard to see how it couldn't be repaired and there's at least one more coaster in the UK with the same mechanism that's still running so it can't have been shut down by health & safety.
They can't remove it as it's a listed structure. It's probably going to rot away, if it's not viable as a coaster it's not going to be viable as a free walkway.
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>>2858161
I'm an actual Floridian who grew up in the parks. There were no Muslims because people HATED them. We still HATE them. Especially in Florida. The attacked this country on 9/11.
NYC now has a Muslim mayor even though that was the city that was attacked. This makes absolutely no sense except that they cheated in the elections or liberals are really that stupid? I know in the UK they have Muslims taking over a city that was white for thousands and thousands of years. The only people allowed to preserve civilization and culture these days are Asian. Whites are being wiped out by Muzzies, liberals, and various low morality and/or low IQ foreigners. Of all of them, though, Muzzies are th worse. Absolutely nobody likes them. Hindus don't even like them. Hispanics don't like them. And especially white Americans hate them.
Calling someone "a clown" without revealing your motives could come from several sources.
>liberal
>Chinese fifty cent army agitator seeking to disrupt my culture
>foreigner
I took the time to explain this to you...not sure why. Except for the chance that there are people to be swayed away from you.
None of those groups deserve respect.
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>>2858181
Janny got him. Thanks mods.
Now, back to discussing theme parks. I would give my left testicle for an OC-donutsteel park like Efteling to be built in America. American parks being IP-locked is holding the entire industry back.
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>>2858192
>Are you retarded? I understand how capitalism works, but there's part of the equation you are ignoring and that is the role of regulation in a democratic system and general consumer sentiment. If people feel ripped off they eventually stop consuming and business practices are dropped or updated
I love how they think they can say their stuff but all of a sudden I mention that I don't like seeing Muzzies show up in the park and I'm getting political. They assume that 4chan is Reddit where you get banned if you're not a literal Communist. You don't own every social media.
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>Is the Figment film anywhere near starting production?
>As far as I know, Disney canceled the idea of movie and is looking to turn this into some sort of Figment series. Whether or not it is animated or live-action, I am not entirely sure.
https://thedisinsider.com/2026/01/27/the-disinsider-mailbag-attraction s-announcements-and-wait-that-was-5 -years-ago/
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>>2858254
As long as USF still has the Mummy, the makeup show, and MIB, everything else is just nice bonuses for me.
Reminder to shoot your own car's target during the final sequence facing the other car for maximum hilarity.
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>>2858386
>the best shooting ride in the world
>tons of cool physical sets and animatronic sets in a park littered with motion simulators and a fucking moving walkway ride
>also the highest capacity ride in the park
If they get rid of MIB anytime soon i'm gonna seethe so hard. USF has so many problems and getting rid of a genuinely great ride before fixing anything else is fucking stupid
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>>2858407
I think they're waiting for something to put in that area, Especially with the Ministry of Magic going to EU. They've got F&F going in the park now and by the time for the park needing a new Tick / e-ticket, it'll be time for the Simpsons replacement so it could possibly be safe for a while.
That said, it's a lot of space (especially if they went into the lake or some backstage) plus a big theatre... it's a prime development location
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>>2858407
Like Universal gives a shit. They got rid of every fucking ride people traditionally associate with their theme park. Rides that are so iconic they still sell merch for them despite them being bulldozed decades ago. There is no such thing as an untouchable classic at Universal.
MIB is fucking amazing but it suffers from the same issue that all shooting gallery dark rides have which is human's can only focus their attention on one thing. You either play the game which means putting all of your attention on making sure your laser stays on the high-value targets and ignoring the design of the actual ride, or you enjoy the detail of the ride and walk off with a sub 150k score. It's also dilapidated with the animatronics and effects being shells of themselves. It's almost definitely on the long-term chopping block, sadly. Blame whoever greenlit MIB International for killing public interest in the franchise.
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In 1999 Islands was mostly a polished six flags park. They blew their load on Jurassic Park and the Spider-Man ride (but not Spider-Man queue). It’s a second gate built around a clone of the JP ride from Hollywood. Marvel land is cheap, Dr. Doom is an S&S space shot found at many parks. Hulk is almost the same as Kumba. Toon Lagoon is cheap. Popeye is a rapids ride, the best one but many parks have these. Ripsaw Falls is pretty good. Merlinwood was a ren fair. Poseidon was a show built around a water vortex tunnels. Dueling Dragons were two B&M inverts. Seuss Land has an interesting dark ride I guess but then Zamperla flat rides. The theming was good in some parts and lacking in toon lagoon. I loved it and it worked for me but nobody went to it until they added Potter
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>>2858462
Marvel Land has sovl. It's the perfect way to do a comic book land. Basing them off movies/actors is fundamentally retarded and quickly gets out of date because actors age. Disney should have copied them instead doing whatever the fuck they're doing at California Adventure.
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>>2858475
I always thought the attraction turnover at USO was more to do with being based on aging movies (DHS got rid of many too) and the timeless stuff at IOA would remain. Potter wasn’t that intrusive because Merlinwood was a commercialized ren fair and they (at first) kept the dragons. VC replaced a dumb animatronic encounter that was never opens but the lost continent area is something timeless and not IP. The attractions were outdated I guess but still. Nothing is safe at these parks.
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>>2858694
How are modern immersive lands the opposite of theme parks?
And which ones do you consider good and which are bad? Give us the run down.
I think Hogsmeade is good. Super Nintendo World is flawed but I'd say it's good too.
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The Scenic Railway situation gets even more fucking shitty.
https://theisleofthanetnews.com/2026/01/28/dreamland-heritage-trust-sa dness-at-dreamland-decision-to-reti re-scenic-railway-despite-funding-b ased-on-ride-operation-until-2037/
>Dreamland secures funding to cover all repairs and operating costs until 2037
>Scenic Railway is rebuilt after a fire and operating
>Live Nation / Ticket Master buy out the park
>Scenic Railway suffers some minor localised damage from a partial derailment with no one hurt
>"Oh no we can't possibly replace a small amount of wood, guess we'll have to close it, what a shame"
Fucking cunts, they just bought it to turn it into a concert venue. No doubt they'll now pressure the council to remove the listed status of the coaster so they can tear it down.
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>>2858793
Reminds me of the Leap the Dips debacle. Some jewish bitch bought the park and closed all the attractions to turn it into a basketball park or something like that. But they’re legally obligated to maintain the coaster even though it appears they have not. Is a jew involved with this too? They like to destroy history. Even in ancient times, the ruins of the colossus of Rhodes was bought by a jew who then melted it down.
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>>2858799
most of my love for toon lagoon is because rip saw falls was the first "big" ride i rode as a kid and didnt come off crying my eyes out kek, so yeah its mostly nostalgia. tbf i still think its a really unique land and i love the gags and comic strips they use as theming i think its really fun.
i also post toon lagoon here alot just cos i think its kinda funny
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>>2858801
I was 21 when I first visited and the park was two years old. I liked the attractions and the gags were alright. So I don’t have the nostalgia for it but any replacement would most likely be inferior and IP slop. I do appreciate it for looking straight out of the 90s.
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>you could build Hyperia almost 10 times over for how much they're spending on this ride
It's OLC so it's probably going to shit on crap like Spider-man but it's still insane how much Disney spend on rides. Mickey's Railroad tech combined with a shooter could be amazing but I suspect it's just going to be a standard screen based omnimover.
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>>2858832
If anything they underspend considering their margins, olc doesn't cheap out like twdc does. It took epic universe opening for them to freak out and actually start updating things they should've fixed years ago like the buzz refurb and frozen animatronic replacements and even then still they're cheaping out on new attractions by replacing things people like instead of expanding.
And there's STILL shit they haven't gotten around to doing, ayylien encounter theater is still empty, figment is still a shambling corpse and sse sounds like the track is falling apart everytime you ride it (also the fucking descent is still the awful jib-jab 2000s horseshit). Disney has this cycle where they feel like they don't have to put in effort and money in the parks because they think that they're invincible, and then something happens (like harry potter opening) that reminds them that theme parks aren't an infinite money hack so they freak out and start doing things they should've done a while ago.
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>>2856047
Everyone can agree that Eisner ruined Disney, right? He made everything gay and liberal. Now theyre bringing in Muslims too.
One thing I love about Disney is that he reported any whiff of Communist leaning to the government. He hated their guts and knew they weren't human.
Also stop pushing Eflling. You guys copy us. It isn't the other way around. Nobody cares about these international parks you keep pushing. nobody cares about California either. It is inferior to Florida. Thank you.
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>>2858855
Just going off vids and pics, Efteling has more soul than any of our highly themed parks in the US. I like all parks though. The lesser themed, the lightly themed, the unthemed, etc. As long as they’re fun and not shit.
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I just don’t think Pokémon will translate to a killer theme park IP. Not saying it would be unpopular, just it’s not the S-tier theme park IP some seem to think it would be despite being the largest media franchise. The only S-tier theme park IP is Harry Potter and they already have it. Winnie the Pooh is a bigger media franchise than Star Wars or Harry Potter but Disney isn’t building Pooh IP lands because it just doesn’t translate to anything more than what they’ve done with it
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>>2858890
Still won’t translate to an S-tier theme park IP. If today there was suddenly a Pokémon themed IP land and a K-Pop Demon Hunters themed IP land, the latter would be infinitely more popular regardless of how much money Pokémon has generated in the past. A Pokémon land would likely be less successful than Nintendo land. Successful media franchises over time are not guaranteed to make successful theme park attractions in the present. Is Pooh really more popular than Star Wars?
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>>2858911
>Still won’t translate to an S-tier theme park IP.
It's entirely contingent on what they do with it, obviously, but the potential is the highest of any IP ever put to a theme park. FOTM shit like k-pop demon hunters is a drop in the bucket compared to pokemon. Look up what the pokemon card industry alone is like right now to get a small taste of how big that fandom is.
If they can nail some sort of catching mechanic, people are gonna fly in from all over the fucking world
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Pokemon is probably the best IP when it comes to interactivity (and that'll carry it to earn big bucks) but its locations are secondary to the Pokemon themselves which makes for a lackluster "land".
It's the same problem Disney has with their IP lands since most of their IP are focused on characters rather than environments. It's no coincidence that their best-executed lands (Pandora and DCA Cars Land) are IPs that have their settings as a main focus
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Pokemon doesn’t have universal (pun intended) appeal. It appeals to zoomers and zoomers have no money. As an older millennial, I don’t care how they implement it or have catching mechanics, that all sounds pretty gay. Joe Burrow would like it but he’s also a zoomer.
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>>2859046
Personally I'm arguing about Alton Towers Bluey Coaster.
Do we really think that such a cultural phenomenon that is Bluey is given the correct amount of gravitas that should be afforded to a show of its magnitude by such a pedestrian take on a modern gravity pleasure road?
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>>2859046
I’m arguing against it for that reason. Nobody wants a Pokémon theme park attraction and especially not a themed IP land. They should really do more Jurassic Park slop. Or Back to the Future since it’s seen a resurgence. If they do any more Nintendo, only Zelda makes sense. Pokémon makes little to no sense unless they want to make a kids section with flat rides themed to Pokémon.
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>but its locations are secondary to the Pokémon themselves which makes for a lackluster "land".
The locations supplement the biodiversity of the Pokémon themselves. If Universal did it in a way where there were numerous explorable routes with different biomes and thus different catchable Pokémon, that would translate very well to theme parks. You're kinda right that the Pokémon are the star of the show, but things like Pokémon gyms, pokemarts, studio ghibli-style buildings, etc are iconic to the franchise so there's a pool to draw from. If they made a kinda beautiful anime-style area that mixed a small town area with a larger wilds area and stuffed it full of static and animated pokemon animatronics like the mario world animatronics, it would do very well.
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You realize a franchise that appeals to people aged 5-45 makes it absolutely massive right? Grown ass adults arent playing the games as much now, but it will influence young parent's decision as to what park to visit if they see an IP they recognize. Harry Potter had a smaller targeted age demo when it was built as mostly children had read the books with the rest having seen the movies.
>>2859046
Damn nigga you're the coolest dude that posts here. Look at you being ambivalent and above it all. I bet the bitches line up around the block just to smell your penis fumes.
>>2859051
>Universal should ignore the most financially successful IP of all time and instead make a ride based on a movie that came out in the 80s that only appeals to Gen-X nerds that dont spend money
Your IQ is somewhere around 70 and I'm probably being charitable in that estimation
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>>2859055
Tell us you love Pokémon without telling us you love pokemon. It doesn’t appeal to anybody over 30. Zoomers have nostalgia for it but it’s a children’s franchise. This isn’t like Mario or even Minions that appeals to children and adults. You can’t make Pokémon appeal to adults. The only thing you can do with it is a children’s area or a children’s playground. The target demographic also doesn’t have any money to buy pokeballs or whatever gimmick you’re proposing. Universal would be better off making a Hello Kitty IP land.
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>It doesn’t appeal to anybody over 30
How is it possible to be this wrong? What generation do you think grew up with Pokémon?
When the land comes out and it's a smash hit I am going to be insufferable in this general and you will all owe me an apology
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>>2859098
I'm not arguing. I'm stating facts about an upcoming theme park land. You fags are the ones arguing.
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IP slop is a fad that will fade away. It isn’t even working out for Disney. Avatar slop was a flop. Marvel slop was a flop. The most expensive and ambitious IP slop, Star Wars, has lost them at least a billion dollars. Nobody cares about Star Wars land anymore, it went from packed to dead and now they’re infusing the original characters into it (at least in CA) to “save” it. Only Harry Potter has been a massive hit. Remains to be seen if Nintendo will have the same staying power. No more IP lands please.
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Thank you.
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Pikachu Derangement Syndrome
>>2859106
It's not going away. IPs are treated like investment vehicles and there's a reason there was a bidding war for the WB catalogue of IPs. You get immediate ROI.
Star Wars failed because they based it on the new (dogshit) films no one gives a fuck about, not because its IP. Avatarland didnt fail, it's just that no one really cares that much about Avatar. Kind of a mid franchise that isnt relevant unless a movie is actively in theaters at the time. Marvel land is low-quality with shit rides that got mogged by a spiderman ride from 25 years ago. Those are bad examples because Disney has been absolutely trash at developing immersive lands. The people calling the shots at Disney for the past decade or so are pants on head retarded and fundamentally don't understand why HPW made universal so much money.
You'll read this and think I'm rooting for more IP in parks. I'm not. I think IP is the cancer killing theme parks, but you cant possible think its a fad that will fad when Dinosaur is about to be removed for Indiana Jones (who isnt even an animal btw). IP is here to stay and tying the parks to their other media products is too lucrative to be a fad.
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>>2859119
Indiana Jones is a bad example, he’s been in their parks since the 80s and the ride is a version of the DL ride from the 90s. I’m referring to IP lands, not single attractions. Those have all be failures. Harry Potter is a massive theme park success and has merchandise and food synergy. The Nintendo land is the closest anybody has gotten to this and it still pales in comparison. Every Disney IP land has been a failure. It’s an expensive fad that chases Harry Potter. Pokémon would be an awful IP land or one off attraction. Universal parks barely have anything to ride for kids under 40”. The demographic they target skews older than Disney and a Pokémon attraction targeting nostalgic zoomers is an objectively awful idea considering Pokémon is a children’s franchise. IP attractions aren’t going away but IP lands costing a billion dollars aren’t going to continue happening unless it’s the wizarding world, they’ve all been failures
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>>2859126
Indiana Jones is a great example of what I am describing because you're forgetting a critical piece of info. Disney did not own Indiana Jones until 2012, so it's a prime example of an IP being treated like an investment vehicle. They paid money for it and expect to make more money off it than what they paid, which is my entire point.
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>>2859126
You made me realize that this Tropical Americas land is not a single-IP centric land but a general theme that multiple IPs are being put in. Sounds dumb I know but I never stopped to think about it.
All the whining online about Disney only doing singular franchise lands but Disney is making something more like Adventureland than Galaxy's Edge
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>>2859140
If we're being honest, it's a very loose excuse to justify an Encanto ride in animal kingdom. Indiana jones is just along for the ride.
If we're being even more cynical, it's probably being built to encourage even more Brazilian tourism to Orlando
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>>2859300
this is still the only dark ride that makes me uncomfortable, the dinos actually spook me. river adventure too but to a much lesser extent for some reason even though the tone of the ride is supposed to be more "mature"
>>2859313
why is that? do CM get the last rides? must be a surreal feeling to shut the lights off that morning
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>>2859317
No it's just how Disney listed it. They said closing on the second, and I assumed that meant last day of operation. Today is the last day of operation and it's closed starting tomorrow. I'm sure other people made the same mistake and will show up tomorrow expecting to ride
>>2859317
Nothing really scares me, but the animatronic carno head that launches toward the vehicle in the finale was much larger and much faster than I remember it being when I rode it as a child and for a split second it felt like it was gonna hit the vehicle. Very well executed jump scare and the only dark ride gimmick that ever "got me"
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>>2859138
>implying Pandora was a success
Pandora is dead. So is the Animal Kingdom. It increased attendance temporarily and then attendance collapsed. The initial collapse was hidden by Covid capacity. Mario is a success but it’s still too new to see if it has staying power. Epic is a success too but Mario and Potter are the anchors. Nobody is going to the Isle of Berk for the Isle of Berk, they’re going for Mario and Potter and then they do Berk because it’s there. Multi-attraction IP lands are a huge billion dollar gamble that Disney hasn’t figured out. In all fairness they had the next biggest thing to Potter and fucked it up. If Star Wars land was based on the OT, that hotel was never made, and they were more creative about merch and food synergy it could have rivaled it. Now they have to polish a turd and de-theme it to re-theme it but it will be a waste because the “bones” are bad
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>>2859140
All the up and coming additions are like this too. They’re not doing singular franchise lands because they’ve all been failures. This will probably work better but then again, they countered a singular franchise land (Harry Potter) with New Fantasyland which is more in line with these additions… and New Fantastland never lived up to the hype. Some fans claim it wasn’t a response to Potter but then I point to LeFou's Brew to remind them.
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AK is a hard one. This new land will probably suffer from being shallow in the actual ethnic portrayal because it is functionally just an excuse to bring in IP attractions because that's what actually draws attendance. It has to forego its original vision to survive. I think pandora was actually a good synthesis conceptually but it's ultimately hollow because it's a fake world with fake wildlife and honestly the attractions suck. FOP was insanely overrated when it opened and now nobody talks about it anymore because it's a gimmicky screen ride.
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>>2859333
Avatar was a terrible idea for a theme park IP. 100% agree on FoP. Overrated flying theater that gives everybody motion sickness. I remember one reviewer claiming they were a big VR fan and it was better than VR. It’s nowhere near as good as any VR. Even a Quest 2 from years ago obsoletes rides like this
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>>2859349
I forgot about Carsland. They seems to have done a good job with that one with respect to the IP and the main attraction being good. They haven’t made a lot of good attractions in years IMO. Guardians and Tron are the best. Tron isn’t great as a coaster but it’s great as a ride experience. Their screen-based trackless dark rides are aging like milk. Maybe people would like Rise better if it was based on the OT but I’ve never seen an overhyped “best attraction ever” fall so hard in such a short a period of time. ToT is the best dark ride in that park and now a few short years later this isn’t even a controversial opinion.
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>>2859364
Correction: people loved it. Past tense. And now they don’t because it sucks. That’s my point, in 2026, nobody gives a fuck about this ride or Disney Wars land. Look at queue times historical graph. Also the preshows are too much. The ride tech is trackless dark ride, screens and elevators. So is ToT but ToT did it better and 25 years earlier. It’s not 2020 anymore. That Mickey ride sucks too, they killed a classic dark ride for that slop. And they killed the Osborne lights for the Disney Wars slop.
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Nice blog bro.
>>2859369
Compared to a ToT which is a glorified drop tower it has infinitely more reride value.
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I hope Disney realizes now that coasters have the best ROI. Slinky Dog probably has less than 1/10th of Rise’s budget and costs much less to staff and operate and yet it is the most popular ride in the park even though it’s a pretty terrible coaster. It filters out a few people who can’t ride them for reasons but this can be mitigated with a connected play area for toddlers who can’t ride and a connected eatery for those who are too fat to ride
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>>2859371
That’s the graph I was referring to and it proves me right. Tower of Terror has the randomized thrill element to go along with the creepy dark ride portion. It’s a timeless classic. Rise and FoP have little to no reridability. Rise also has other flaws like how each part of the ride focuses on one element (which might be broken when you ride it) and there aren’t all the little details you find on the classics.
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>>2859364
>The extended preshow sequence is unlike anything else Disney has made
it also makes re-riding it unbearable. It's cool the first couple times but actually just overcomplicates things which can be said about almost everything in galaxies edge
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Pokemon theme park scenery ideas that aren't just "pokemon in nature doing nothing".
Fire pokemon that's heating a bellows or a building or something.
Electric pokemon powering something cool.
Water pokemon that's making a fountain do something cool.
Mural painted by Smeargle. Kekleon camouflaging himself with mural. (as seen in the new pokemon park in Japan).
Etcetera etcetera.
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>>2859384
I already said I like Guardians and Tron. I don’t have a problem with new Disney when they make decent re-ridable attractions. I’m pointing out that Rise lost its luster and that it’s easy to see why. Rise aged like milk. I would even say that Gringotts aged better even though I think Gringotts sucks and my first ride on Rise was better than my first ride on Gringotts. Because it’s re-rideable and Rise isn’t. The queue is better themed too since it’s right out of movies that fans actually care about
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>>2859380
I don't mind the preshows desu, enough interesting stuff happens in them
Guardians is way worse in that regard, you have to wait in a holding room and then go into ANOTHER holding room before being let into the actual preshow
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Any chance they re-track RnRC? The muppets retheme will be more expensive than a retrack and new trains would cost. Seems like a missed opportunity if they don’t (and they didn’t in Paris). Modern Vekoma is pretty amazing. RnRC is old Vekoma’s Arrow-style track.
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>>2859417
I'm curious to see what they do with the theming around the actual track, not sure if they've actually said anything about that. The glow in the dark stuff always felt like a carnival ride but it had charm. I have really fond memories of the ride but it's very much of a certain era that's passed. Muppets seems kind of odd but it's also some sort of conciliation for replacing muppets courtyard. The preshow seems straightforward with the new IP, I can already picture it.
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>>2859373
Disneyfags & Universalfags hate to hear this but roller coasters are by far the most popular attraction format with everyone. GP, diehards, regional parks and resort parks, adults and kids, all of them.
They hate them because going faster makes it so there will never be as intricate theming, but even at the regional parks where theming is everything these are both the best received rides, biggest lightning lane sellers, and the longest waits
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>>2859418
Disney World makes billions of dollars and also builds $500 million dollar attractions. A retrack and new trains would be less than $20 million. It’s 27 years old and it’s not butter smooth like new Vekoma.
>>2859421
Big One didn’t get a complete retrack, it got sections replaced and RnRC has gotten sections replaced before too (in the same Arrow style). I haven’t rode it but the Great Nor’easter (SLC and Morey’s Pier in NJ) had an almost total retrack with the same Arrow spine but the new track and trains are different and the it’s smooth now.
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>>2859428
>A retrack and new trains would be less than $20 million.
$20 mil that is probably better spent elsewhere if the track isn't a problem now. It's a waste of money to fix what isn't broken.
Unless you meant an entirely new coaster with a new layout, new footers, control system, and so on. That would make sense but I think it's very unlikely, since it's probable that the current track is fine and they're looking to get a few more years out of an attraction with an outdated theme.
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>>2859425
You say this like we'd argue with this?
Hagrids, Hiccups, GOTG, Mummy are all bangers. Mixing a family medium-thrill coaster with a dark ride story element has been a smashing success.
Even Hulk and Velocicoaster are technically story-coasters
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>>2859425
I think they hate them because they can’t ride them or they’re afraid to ride them. Like the anon earlier who was praising Rise like it was still 2019 and calling ToT just an elaborate drop tower… as if it’s still not one of the best drop towers out there (as is the Demon Drop and Dorney, each for different and unique reasons). I don’t think that anon likes thrill rides. Rise has a little drop in it though. As >>2859431 says, Universal seems to have learned that roller coasters are what the GP wants. Disney I thought they were learning but they don’t have any coasters in their upcoming US plans. They also enclosed a coaster with 5,500ft of track which is nuts.
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Only rides I personally like the most should be built at theme parks.
>b-b-but
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>>2859433
No I meant the same layout but with new Vekoma track and footers and trains. It’s a good spaghetti bowl layout that’s very similar to the LIM Premier spaghetti bowls like Flight of Fear. Disney is not a low budget regional park and $20 million is nothing to them. Iger makes more than that in a day just by being jewish. Universal completely replaced 99% of Hulk and all of its footers at 16.
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>>2859437
>they don’t have any coasters in their upcoming US plans
Are you some kind of Retard or something?
They explicitly have three coasters in their future plans, with two more being implied via vague concept art.
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>>2859441
>$20 million is nothing to them
Yes it is, it's a very big deal because there are various interests and departments all competing for it, so how it is allocated has to be justified and agreed upon by layers of management in Disney's case. If the current track is in good shape and the ride just needs new trains (as all coasters do after a certain number of cycles or years), then all it will get are new trains. Wanting to fix something that isn't broken is hard to (though not impossible) sell to executives.
> Universal completely replaced 99% of Hulk and all of its footers at 16.
Yes, that was the result of an external force on their situation - some kind of contractual obligation they needed to fulfill in order to hang on to the IP. I don't think that's the case with RnRC but I don't know that much about all of that.
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>>2859454
The marvel contract nullifies if it can be proven in court that the land has been allowed to fall into disrepair which is why Hulk got retracked and Spiderman got the updated screens and remastered footage.
If they maintain the land to a good standard, Disney cant build anything with Avengers/Spiderman/X-Men east of the Mississippi river. Any character that is represented in the land is exclusively held by universal. Even small character depictions on these pillars prevent disney from using the character.
GOTG was allowed because surprisingly none of those guys were ever used.
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>>2859459
This is 100% for the better for Disney World
Outside Hollywood Studios there is nowhere they fit (in Epcot it is the most forced addition and thematic misfit in the whole park, but people accepted it because they got a coaster for ignoring it) and if they did make one it would be the absolute shit that is Avengers Campus. They can instead focus on putting in better thematic choices for rides
Like could you imagine trying to put this shit in Magic Kingdom, or Iron Man in Animal Kingdom, or having the Wakanda Pavilion like was put forth at one point? Holy fuck it would be so bad lol
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>>2859461
That's extremely true. Wakanda would have 100% been put in AK immediately after the george floyd shit and probably taken out Dinosaur before Indy had a chance. On top of that, Universal would have opened up an almost perfect spot for expansions. Disney was legally prevented from being retarded and self-harming.
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>>2859459
The modern Guardians team didn't exist when the contract was created, it was just a bunch of random standalone space characters that were stuck together.
>>2859464
Wakanda's in a weird limbo where they could theoretically use the setting and side characters, but the actual Black Panther character is barred from use because he technically debuted in Fantastic Four.
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>those who purchased all-park passport
so no upgrade to prestige for me if I got the all-park for free during that labor day sale last year?
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How’s LA weather in February? I just quit my job. I’m sure Disney would be fine since most of their stuff is indoors but I want to ride coasters too and they stop being great under 60 degrees and stop being bearable under 52.
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Did AK - Epcot - MK - Epcot today.
I figured "Well surely nobody will be here on a fucking monday morning in below freezing weather, especially not AK which just lost one of its few major rides" but I forgot about cheerleaders and brazilians. Typical.
- This was maybe my 5th or 6th time on Flight of passage and I finally got 3D glasses that weren't blurred to shit.
- Watched Festival of the lion king and the Feathered Friends bird show for the first time, both excellent shows. I honestly just thought the bird show would be some typical zoo bird show but the humor and storytelling was actually good (who would even come up with that rat gag?)
- I don't know what can be done about it but groups of 6 entering single rider pisses me off
- For some reason I am still surprised that MK has absolute garbage quick service. I keep going around thinking "well eventually i will find something appealing and not a complete ripoff" but always fail. Feeling the same way about Epcot festival stuff although last festival there was a blackened catfish bowl that was really good.
- Noticing trash and poor maintenence more and more. Trash all over soarin queue and on the screen itself. Retards peeling carpet off the wall of Living with the Land queue. Monorails are always run down now, those are the most egregious because they're supposed to be shining symbols of the entire property but the interiors are as magical as a MARTA. Disney hates paying for upkeep on those as it is and I don't want to jeopardize their existence by asking for bare minimum cleaning and repairs. They'd sooner rip out the tracks.
- It occurred to me while riding that the idea of Gran Fiesta at Mexico pavilion being rethemed to Coco makes too much sense for Disney. I'm part of the 0.01% of the population under 50 who actually loves Three Caballeros and it's one of my favorite Disney movies, but you could very easily make the case that the ride isn't carrying it's own weight.
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>>2859731
>Gran Fiesta
I'll always have doubt for any update to that solely because there's so little queue space. It doesn't even have Lightning Lane despite WDW's penny pinching.
Same reason why the tiny Fantasyland rides at DL haven't been replaced
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https://youtu.be/AeWT_wJtxA4?si=1VVV9jeMhCcIVrR5
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>>2859731
Gran Fiesta should not be touched. Ever. And to retheme it with Encanto makes me want to throw up. Coco can have its own ride somewhere.
I agree that they're letting some stuff get way too beat up and dirty. Soarin' looks really dirty.
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>>2859849
Just be glad they clamped down heavily on the flag groups. Nowhere near as bad as they were in the 00s.
>Unpacking stuff from my move
>found the printout from 2000 Epcot Innoventions where you'd take a picture and could print off calendars and postcards with it for free
>had my dad in it young and healthy
Good times. Also, whatever they used for ink lasted freakishly well, it could have been printed yesterday.
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>>2859731
Why do people become brain dead when it comes to this fucking ride
Donald Duck is objectively a bigger IP than Coco. One of the others being popular with the Brazilian tourists is an added bonus.
They lose the restaurants/shopping and the lightning lane and minor merch boost will not cover the added expenses and lost revenue because of the need for a major rebuild due to space limitations.
Like there is a very specific reason they looked hard at doing this concept, rejected it because the costs made no sense compared to a new ride elsewhere, and then gave DCA the new build Coco ride. It is not financially reasonable and not happening, and people lose all common sense when this topic comes up more than any other Disney attraction
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Bc I’m not retarded. Celestial Park would fit in perfectly as a cheaper mockup of the capital of Tajikistan
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>>2859876
Not that anon but i know a little bit more about central asia because I read a lot of the Flashman books. It's the only reason I know who people like Akbar Khan and Yakob Beg were.
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>>2859852
He's the least bad out of all the rumored candidates. Jeff Vahle is the real villain at WDW, not Josh. There's been SOME improvement out of imagineering in the last few years and Josh seems to actually be willing to allow his creatives to do stuff and not meddle too much. He won't be as bad as Chapek, and likely will be better than Bob too. It all hinges on if he's allowed to replace the parks chairmen and who he picks to run them. If he picks a money man like Jeff it'll officially be over.
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>>2859579
These are great but the Midwest is overpowered. Not that I’m complaining. Some people are complaining that they took away the all parks pass but that was only included as a promotion in the MVP sale and afterwards was an add-on again. If you paid for it you get upgraded to prestige for free. And if you want all parks access you have to upgrade to prestige. From what I read, the all parks add on was never a big seller. The bigger news will be that a lot of these small parks will be sold off to that Enchanted group. And probably the EPR parks too since Enchanted’s two parks are owned by EPR. SF will be much better off without those little parks
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>>2859924
I haven't been paying attention to the Six Flags season pass schemes, it seems like they come up with a new idea every 6 months. I wonder if you can add other regions for a fee or if you just have to buy the all-parks package if you want to go to a park outside of your region.
At any rate if you live in the central part of a region, you won't really notice much. But if you live in the regions' fringe areas it seems like it a pass would become pretty limiting - you have to pick one region or the other. I figure most people buying them are planning on going to just their home park, though, and maybe 1 other if it happens to also be nearby.
>SF will be much better off without those little parks
It's only taken them a quarter century to start undoing the damage of the Time Warner-Premier sale
SF (under Premier's new ownership) should have never bought so many small parks that would need a lot of money to enhance and build up to the standards of their larger parks. The company never really accomplished that, those parks just kind of languished this whole time.
Basically the entire reason SF has been floundering in red ink for decades are the acquisitions made shortly after Time Warner sold the division. Righting the ship has long been overdue, they learned the hard way you can't just buy every park under the sun and expect it all to work in your favor. Too many mouths to feed.
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>>2859939
Well. Cedar Fair changed their pass structure a couple years ago. Then they merged with SF and changed the SF pass structure to theirs. Now they’re changing it again kinda back to the old CF pass structure but with regions. It’s too much change in a small amount of time so hopefully this sticks because it’s confusing.
Agreed on the Premier parks, Premier buying up these little parks and adding more rides than their attendance and infrastructure could handle was a huge mistake. CF supposedly only bought MI Adventure so Premier/SF didn’t buy it. SF’s pre-Premier park lineup up to and including Fiesta Texas was a pretty good lineup of big parks. So if this pans out and they dump all the Premier parks (except New England and DK) plus Worlds of Fun, MI Adventure, and SFSL, they can focus on those larger core parks. I’m glad they’re keeping SFNE, SFDK, Valleyfair and Dorney. Of the smaller parks they make the most sense to hang on to
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>>2859914
Nah. I’m about as right wing as it gets. I would be a member of the NSDAP if it was around today. Doesn’t change that fact that knowing geography is a good thing, a very good thing. Kind of how if you want to be a good racist, you should learn as possible about other races and nations. Celestial park still looks like a knockoff of the shit you see in vanity projects in Central Asia
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>>2859953
Makes me wonder why they opted to close SFA instead of rolling it into the Enchanted Parks portfolio. Maybe that didn't go as well as anticipated, and they had to come up with another way to divest the lesser parks.
In a way the divestiture into a new company is smart, it ensures these small parks will continue operating for at least a little while while also handing them over to a corporate entity that doesn't really threaten SF and won't for a while, even if Enchanted does very well for itself. Another park operator might acquire them if they're able to hold their own for a few years.
The downside is if Enchanted fails then most or all of its parks are likely going to close for good.
>SF’s pre-Premier park lineup up to and including Fiesta Texas was a pretty good lineup of big parks.
Yes, SF was a GOOD chain before the Premier sale, most people here don't know that. If you went to a Six Flags park in the 80s up to the mid 90s, they were clean, safe, pretty, well themed and well operated. Too bad it couldn't stay that way... All of the ancillary entertainment that made a true theme park got axed by Premier. Shows, security, crew sizes, landscaping, park cleaners, and many personnel who would be considered 'imagineers' for Six Flags both at the park and corporate levels.
All of that had to go to support rapid expansion and coaster war purchases. Ultimately totally failed, turns out people don't want to go ride coasters if their car will get broken into and people cut in line and ride crews are slow because they only put 2 people on the dock to check restraints.
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>>2859852
Probably the best feasible choice, the parks suck recently but at least he comes from that division and not studio or TV like Iger. At the very least he'll be a good frontman, he's personable and cast seem to like interacting with him
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>>2859969
The reason SFA and CGA were chosen to close is the land they are on is very valuable given the urban locations, so they can profit selling the land as a whole for redevelopment.
With these other shitters like St Louis, Michigan Adventure, etc the land is close to worthless given they are rather remote or in areas of declining population, so it has more value as a park itself and to sell as a overall park
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>>2859953
>So if this pans out and they dump all the Premier parks (except New England and DK) plus Worlds of Fun, MI Adventure, and SFSL, they can focus on those larger core parks.
I wonder how things will pan out for SFDK. I think doing business in California is so annoying and the value of the land is high enough that it won't get spun off, it'll just get closed or they'll do some kind of leaseback arrangement like Great America to close the park out. But SFDK itself isn't one of the keystone parks, far from it, and I think the company would be elated to get rid of it in a profitable way.
I haven't really heard much about Great America much these days either...
I don't know much about SFNE. Would it really be a loss for SF to spin that one off? I don't think so. Doesn't seem to match up with the larger SF parks; it's always going to be a little brother park.
SFSL + WoF are a mixed bag. They're both in a part of the midwest that has middling long-term growth prospects. WoF was kept in good shape by CF, despite being a smaller park it is pretty nice. SFSL doesn't seem nice (haven't been), and it suffered from all the problems of Premier's reign. Also seems like a small park, but of course it's been in the SF system since the 70s. If they were to keep one, I'd say WoF would be the one to hang on to. But it might make more sense to just spin off both.
Michigan's Adventure is a lost cause. Like you said, CF snapped it up to keep SFI out of their backyard when expansion was what everyone was doing. No real growth potential and the land it sits on is in a rural area and likely not worth much. At least it apparently turns a profit. But it's doomed to be basically what it is now forever (a step above a Fun Spot).
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I went this past September and it wasn't too terrible.
The only really long wait was for Bowers challenge and that was because it broke down.
The ride in Harry Potter was about an hour with single rider but I did get there first thing.
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