>>2857433
Qualis? You'll get out what you put in. Starting a thread with LBH implies you'll be LAITW, too (loser anywhere in the world).

>>2857444
college degree and I'm doing my TEFL cert now
>Starting a thread with LBH implies you'll be LAITW, too
yeah I know that's literally the whole point, where's the best place for getting an easy low hours TEFL job so I can live as lazy a life as possible

>>2857458
oh yeah and a few years working as a teaching assistant and peer mentor for young people on and off too

>another LBH thread
roasties seething lmao

>>2857458
you won't, the 'scene' has moved on from low value people with nothing to offer. anywhere which can afford to pay you a decent wage for simply speaking your native language is developed enough to handle things themselves, without shitting up their countries with low value creepy idiots.

>>2857462
I just wanna chill and mind my business :(
>>2857471
seething reddit mod

>>2857474
but seriously, yo honestly think some dogshit tefl online clickthrough course with 0 practical element thinks you can waltz into a country and get a salary?

if you can't be bothered to invest in yourself, why would others take the risk on you?

>>2857479
>but seriously, yo honestly think some dogshit tefl online clickthrough course with 0 practical element thinks you can waltz into a country and get a salary?
that's what I've heard through the grapevine!

>>2857542
show me one ad where this is the case. literally just one. if you can't, your grapevine is chatting shit.

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>>2857433
Serious answer, but you could honestly start now in a few countries without the TEFL. Places like Korea just need a degree. If you're going to get a cert anyways, I'd honestly just get a bullshit <$100 one, do a year somewhere to see if you like it, and then invest in a CELTA. Just having a college degree and being from an English speaking country puts you ahead of unqualified Russians/Indians working illegally for lower pay, but having the best TEFL cert will probably help down the line and it gives you a nice alumni network. It's expensive, but you can do it for <$2000 if you do it while abroad. I did mine in Vietnam for about $1500 iirc.

Another thing you can do that I don't see discussed as much, is that you can apply for a temp substitute teaching license from Illinois. All you need is a college degree and $50, and you have a teaching license that's valid for 5 years, no test or anything. The only place I know this would be recognized is Taiwan, where you can sign up with their public school program, TFETP, which I've heard is a pretty decent gig.

As for places to go, I'll warn you that Korean hagwons and Japanese eikaiwa are pretty miserable. The good part of the deal is that it's very hard to get fired after the probationary period, so I never worried about job security beyond the schools shutting down. However, be prepared to get worked beyond your contract, do busywork on your break, be nagged by staff for random bullshit that parents are upset about, and sometimes working on your day off. If you can turn off the shame part of your brain and just collect a check, it's still one of the easiest jobs I've done even with the extra work, but I was still stressed the fuck out sometimes.

I'm waiting on my interview with the JET Program next week, but I'm also considering going back to Vietnam if I don't get in. The pay has apparently stagnated there, but you can still live pretty comfortably and the work hours seem better than what I'm used to.

>>2857433
Nigga, they're going to be learning CFL in decade. The Age of the English Teacher is over.

>>2857606
Thanks anon, yeah I'm not blowing thousands on a TEFL cert hahaha
>I'll warn you that Korean hagwons and Japanese eikaiwa are pretty miserable
Thanks for the heads up, did a bit more research and it's looking like my best bets are either Taipei or one of the mainland Chinese cities, maybe Bangkok also but I heard you have to stay onsite for the full 40 hours even if you only have 15-20 teaching hours a week. I've heard Vietnam has the easy job vibe too but I'm not sure if the vibes are for me (too overstimulating and not enough that interests me out there)
Good luck with your JET interview! I would've applied to that and EPIK but literally missed the deadline once I decided it was something I was possibly interested in fml

>>2857433
I used to work in Laos and Cambodia. Surprised you never mentioned Cambodia, PP is full of LBH. My favorite country/city I've ever worked in. Worked in many countries. No degree needed in Laos or Cambodia, you'll find Russians working at the bottom in both countries, which makes you not at the bottom.

>>2857433
>STOP THE RACISM AND COMPLETE THE TRANSACTION!

>>2857656
I didn't mention Laos/Cambodia/Vietnam because I looked into it and the scenes for my hobbies out there are either non existent, or so small as to make them practically nonexistent. I'd get lonely and more depressed than I am in my mom's basement lol

>>2857662
Stay at home. TEFL isn't going to cure you. You aren't mature enough to live abroad speaking like this.

>>2857664
>You aren't mature enough to live abroad speaking like this
because I have specific hobbies and would rather be around people who I can talk to about them? lol

>>2857665
because you keep referring to yourself as a loser, gets depressed, are in a basement, etc. Traveling won't cure the mindset, in fact, it'll be worse as you'll have ZERO support on the other side of the world. Work on yourself first, then scale.

>>2857666
its not that deep bro I'm just having a laugh

>>2857666
The old
>You can run from your home but never your problems
Yeah yeah nigga. Not all humans are the same. Some people find fresh perspectives in new environments and a renewed sense of appreciation for life and the world around them. I literally went AWOL from the military many years ago. I have accomplished souch since. This whole stay put and endure it bullshit is pure blackpill. What he can do to improve his life at home he can better do with a whole new fresh start.

>>2857672
*much since

>>2857672
put it better than I ever could

>>2857672
I knwo this, but he needs his expectations managed. Look at the way he's writing. Treating this as an ezpz restart is going to burn him the fuck out in 3 months when reality hits.

If he's serious about this, he needs to look at it as a career change, and to take pride in what he's doing.

>>2857677
live your life bro I just wanna be a loser deadbeat in peace, I'm not bothering anyone just trying to live my easy life. Answer my questions or go sit in the time out corner bozo

>>2857666
It's called ironic self-deprecation.
>>2857672
Seeing how people endure problems and stay optimistic in the Third World (while also being genuine) can be an eye opener coming from a country like America where everyone is so pampered by wealth that they relentlessly pick at the scab of their unhappiness, never allowing it to heal and never being satisfied with the life they have. Your surroundings do in fact influence your life outlook.

>>2857677
Or you can let real life experience manage your expectations as you go along. Like many anons here, I first went to Philippines / SEA expecting women to like me on first sight. But they didn't. So my expectations got managed. Yes there is gonna be the cope phase, but then if you have a properly functioning brain, you move on into acceptance. OP really should be a regular poorfag travelbum on his savings if he wants to live with minimal effort. Jobs are always easy when you've been doing them for yesrs, always stressful when you're just starting out.

Haters gonna hate. Do it, OP. Yeah, it will be radically different than you are thinking. But if you are strong and smart enough, you will figure out a way to make it work. If not, cool experience to grow from. I regret being to conservative and never doing the JET thing back around 2005 when I could have. Now I am literally too old for it (there is an age cap). Life is yours to fail at or even succeed at, your choices make your life - not 4chan weenies. I have done plenty of other crazy adventures since then, most recently moved to Europe for a few years. My whole life has been a series of radical decisions which nobody thought was a good idea, yet they always turned out right for me. I learned a long time ago that listening to others' dreams for me translates into a nightmare for me. But I still wish I had done the Japan dream.

People ITT make me laugh:
>AAAAALLLLL you need is a college degree!
lmbo, as if. You could do more with a college degree than TEFL. Not WHOAHRICH DREAMJOB but just better opportunities in general. I never did the college thing so my opportunities have been more limited. So many things simply want a degree - they don't even care where from, as long as you have anything. Even certifications or similar.
From what I've gathered ITT apparently Laos and Cambodia are non-degree options. China prob doesn't care either since you are literally just a monkey to them, but China is a bad idea. I have a blank ticket coming up in a few weeks, and my current plan is to rot in India, but I'd still consider this Laos/Cambodia idea. Or TEFL in Vietnam.

>>2857658
>>STOP THE RACISM AND COMPLETE THE TRANSACTION!
Does no one ITT know who this guy is?

>>2857859
We're not all terminally online weirdos.

>>2857433
Kek, reading this guy's story is hilarious
>Arudou objected to the policies of three bathhouses in Hokkaido in the late 1990s that had posted "No Foreigners" or "Japanese Only" signs on their doors. Arudou led a multinational group of 17 people of various nationalities (United States, Chinese, German, and Japanese) to enter the Yunohana bathhouse in Otaru and test the firmness of the "No Foreigners" policy posted on its door. The group attempted the walk-ins twice.
>Arudou returned to Yunohana in October 2000 for the third time as a naturalized Japanese citizen, but was again denied entry. The manager acknowledged that Arudou was a Japanese national but refused him entry because Arudou's foreign appearance could drive Japanese customers to take their business elsewhere
>In 2003, Arudou and several other long-term foreign residents dressed up as seals to protest the granting of an honorary jūminhyō (residency registration) to Tama-chan, a male bearded seal, in Nishi Ward, Yokohama. The protesters asserted that if the government could grant jūminhyō to animals and animation characters, as was the case in Niiza and Kasukabe in Saitama Prefecture, then there was no need to deny foreign residents the same. At the time, non-Japanese residents were registered in a separate alien registration system.
>In February 2007, Arudou participated in a protest against an over-the-counter Japanese language publication titled Kyōgaku no Gaijin Hanzai Ura File – Gaijin Hanzai Hakusho 2007 ("Secret Files of Foreigners' Crimes"). The magazine highlighted crimes committed by foreigners. Arudou, calling the magazine "ignorant propaganda" that "focuses exclusively on the bad things that some foreigners do, but has absolutely nothing about crimes committed by Japanese".
Literally all he did while he was living in Japan was complain about racism

>>2857908
Not reading all that nigga

>>2857433
So many doomers on here, ignore them anon, pursue your dreams. Which country are you thinking of teaching? I personally am interested in China, though I am wondering what English schools would be legit good places to do TEFL, some schools in China seem shady.

>>2857926
>do TEFL
Do CELTA not TEFL. No idea why people do TEFL. CELTA is a little harder but twice as respected at the same price

>>2857929
Low value incels typically don't make the best decisions. They just drift with the vibes of their grifters who feed them drips of hope.

>>2857935
What are you even doing on this forum with us turbo chad Patrick Bateman? Just here to mog is to death?

>>2857908
What a fag

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>>2857908
It's like when Chrischan punched the Gamestop employee because Sonic's arms were blue
>>2857926
China/Shanghai makes the most sense in the short term, my ultimate dream is Tokyo but if I go teach in an eikaiwa straight off the bat I figure I'd be too overworked/not enough time to actually live my best life out there. Current plan is to do TEFL wherever offers the least hours/highest QOL balance and use the extra time to work on business ideas/self employed income, then move to Tokyo on a WHV once I got decent money of my own coming in
But who knows, Shanghai looks beautiful and I actually really like education/working with kids, maybe I'm in my head about working for a boss and it's not always that bad. Some more professional uni lecturer positions in China sound crazy comfy too so we'll see

>>2857929
It truly depends on what teaching program you get into, some schools, countries and places just don't need the advanced requirements of CELTA. Maybe you are just teaching online. It doesn't hurt to have a TEFL certification. Then if you truly feel TEFL is worthwhile then go for the CELTA.

>>2857942
I also was looking into Shanghai, do you have any specific schools or programs you were looking at? Japan would be cool, though I think maybe the JET program would be more suitable, unless of course you want to make a lot more money then sure the Eikaiwa. Part of me also thought about Japan, although I feel like Japan is one of those places I love the "travel mystique" of visiting, but if I lived there that "Japan mystique" would get ruined and then I would hate living in Japan, that is only my opinion though, some people love living there.

>>2857956
>do you have any specific schools or programs you were looking at?
wanna get a buxiban job (idk if they call them that in mainland China too) preferably teaching kindergarten/elementary school because I imagine those jobs are more whimsical and goofball coded, important to keep things silly imo. Made an account in eChinacities and saved a few jobs but haven't applied yet
ALSO I just found out that international students can get scholarships to study in China that waive tuition fees and give living support money so now I gotta figure out if I wanna to China as a student or to teach TEFL... might wanna be a student I can't lie
>I feel like Japan is one of those places I love the "travel mystique" of visiting, but if I lived there that "Japan mystique" would get ruined
took the words right out of my mouth. Always had that fantasy of moving to Tokyo based off of their late 90s/2000s film/fashion/internet culture/music but when I started researching communities/venues/scenes in Tokyo that are around TODAY I slowly started losing interest. It's not shit or anything but it fails to live up to the ideal and I feel there are other places that probably do 2000s Tokyo better today than Tokyo in 2026 does

Might just be my algorithm bc I've been researching China a lot, but it feels like China is the current 'it' country/destination. Last year it was Vietnam/HCMC/Da Nang, 2023/24 it was all about moving to Bangkok and getting a shoebox condo for $200, now it's China's turn

>>2857957
You sound like you are on the same page as me here anon! Yeah, I am also looking at teaching Elementary school age, they are more fun and whimsical I feel like, enjoy games, just being kids, Middle school and high school kids are some-what difficult I feel because they do tend to smart off a lot. I was thinking more towards actual schools (either private or public schools), I had the impression Buxiban jobs were similar to those in Korea and Japan, though I can't be sure, did you seem to think the Buxibans are more easy going in China?

>>2857959
I definitely had the impression that they're easier in China, though I still need to research this further
I spoke with a guy from Beijing who said he did like 15 hours of work/teaching hours weekly and didn't have to be in the office outside of that, still got paid $2k per month too
So if I could get something like that in Shanghai life could be really easy for me
And if you manage to progress in your career and become a higher level uni TEFL lecturer then life can get really comfy and you make good money too, if the self employed shebang doesn't work out for me I could definitely see myself doing that in the long run

>>2857966
I think that is a good plan, I may have to look into those Buxibans also, 15 hours is a piece of cake. (I am also a lazy man) Even if they do have office hours I am assuming it would be pretty easy, just chill at a desk and do lesson plans or just read a book if nothing else is going on. I am just trying to figure out how to find legit places in China, like which companies are reputable. I just have heard some people go and they end up working for some scammy schools, I am trying to avoid ending up at a place like that.

>>2857666
Nah. The reason people flock to SEA is because it's easy to find companionship.

>>2857971
you and me both brother, we got this
Shanghai is ours

>>2857941
i remember this british cooomer

>>2857908
>In 2003, Arudou and several other long-term foreign residents dressed up as seals to protest the granting of an honorary jūminhyō (residency registration) to Tama-chan, a male bearded seal
This nigga is peak /trv/ and deserves respect
>you'll never be Japanese
You haven't even tried until you are wearing a seal costume to bathhouse

>>2857995
Hell yeah lets go brother!
Anybody know of legit websites for finding TEFL jobs in China? I know Daves ESL cafe. Any others?

>>2858172
eChinacities is the one I'm using right now, to be honest I need to look into more places
Tired of my life in the west and all the neurotic passive aggressive mentally ill weirdos I deal with every day as a result of my shitty attitude and life choices, let's move to Asia and go straight! Positivity, humility, compassion, curiosity and good natured people only from here on out king

>>2858179
Same here man, that is what I am looking for in life, the west is full of angry broken people who have forgotten what the true purpose of life is (which is to live and enjoy life), due to the surroundings and climate we have to live in. Anyways, i'll check out eChinacities, also maybe check out TEFL.com, it's an older site but they seem to have quite a bit.

>>2858195
hell yeah man
hadn't heard of TEFL.com so will look there as well!

>>2858200
Cool, here is my email (its temp) if u want to hit me up: Hinlee.Room@FusionInbox.com

>>2858206
awesome, will let you know :)

>>2857433

Anyone teaching English in Vietnam? I am gonna fly there in a few weeks and look for a job. I have a college degree and TEFL certificate. The only issue is I have a misdemeanor DUI and another misdemeanor failure to admit carrying a weapon. I was gonna get my background check while in the country from a local police department. Will this be an issue? I have taught English abroad before.

>>2858695
I met a guy in Vietnam who also had a DUI misdemeanor and was hired by a language center. It's definitely possible, only places like Japan, Korea, and maybe China have hard-ons for this kind of thing. I heard Taiwan doesn't care as long as isn't kiddie shit lol. The only issue is that you will have to make sure you have a legal place to stay first, I don't think you can do this from a hotel. You'll have to find a legit place to rent and sign a contract and have the landlord document it with the police before you can do a local background check. So you'll have to budget for that and also the possibility of moving if you find a job farther away. Also, you might be able to just get a state background check at a police department before you leave if it has a chance to show a clean record, since the FBI checks just refuse to remove even expunged charges.

>>2859056

Thank you anon. Great info. I have a competitive resume. I don't think it should be a problem at all. I mean, to me these experiences build character in my opinion. I think if you have not been arrested at least once in your life you have lived a very boring life. I just want to be the best person I can be for my students in Vietnam. The country is affordable, the people kind. I would give a lot to the local community. I want to teach English in Saigon, live in that city for a few years, maybe even permanently.

>>2859087
Not just people with criminal records, but I met plenty of people in Vietnam restarting their lives there and living pretty well. Not everyone is just trying to fuck teenagers and huff balloons. If going halfway across the world is the solution to become the best version of yourself, then so be it. The loser back home mindset is just crabs in a bucket shit. People are also going to complain about stagnating wages and whatever whining entitled expats get up to, but I still lived so much more comfortably in Saigon than I ever did living paycheck to paycheck back home, and it definitely helped my self-image when I returned. There is plenty of opportunity in Vietnam, I'm in a somewhat better position nowadays but I still think of just cashing in my chips at home and running back there for good. [spoiler]Though I would probably try living in Hanoi this time around.[/spoiler] Best of luck to you, anon.

>>2858695
>>2859087
Hope your Vietnam dream works out for you brother
>>2859056
>>2859101
I've also heard Vietnam is good for wage/low working hours ratio right? How would you compare HCMC and Hanoi? From what I can make out HCMC has more youth fashion/design/music/raves but Hanoi is where the highbrow fine arts/culture stuff is

>>2859154
I only have experience working in Saigon, but I have heard that Hanoi pays a little better because there are less foreigners than Saigon and maybe Da Nang. There are two jobs you could do at the entry-level, afterschool language centers and public schools. I worked at a center and I worked half shifts on weekdays in the evening and full-time shifts on the weekends. Even during the full-time shifts, you're only teaching for a chunk of it and are just expected to stay there to desk warming and do class prep for the rest of the shift. You get a "weekend" but it will be during the week like Monday and Tuesday off and back to work Wednesday. Still though it was pretty chill and I didn't really have to do any office time on weekdays and just did class prep during the weekend shift or at home before going in. Public schools obviously have you working a normal schedule like 8-4 M-F with weekends off, but I don't have any experience with them other than they probably pay more and make it easier to get benefits like insurance whereas language centers will try to bullshit you by offering 11 and a half month contracts and such, be careful with that.