>>2857784
>Any suggestions or route alterations?
yes
your itinerary is ridiculously over ambitious
pick 3 or 4 places and focus on those otherwise you're going to spend half your time either travelling or feeling like shit from travelling

>>2857784
Cut the number of destinations in half but keep it the same length of time

>>2857788
What would you cut?

>>2857789
Entirely up to you. I do the same thing when I plan trips, I overstuff it because I'm so excited to see so many things, but you have to trim it down before you go or else you'll be zooming through everything and spending all of your time on a bus like >>2857785 said.
Focus on whichever places are most essential and make the most logistical sense. Andorra and Barcelona seem quite out of the way, especially since they are in the middle of the trip.

>>2857784
What the fuck is the deal with these first time travelers and their insane itineraries?
Just go to Prague or Berlin for a week to get practice. Then after that you can do all the ambitious shit after you know what you're doing

You absolutely must reduce the total destinations as everybody has said.

>>2857815
If you rarely travel, your eyes are bigger than your stomach. On paper it sounds fine. I did this with Japan since it was probably the only time I would ever go. I regret it. Being stuck in transit for over half your trip SUCKS. Since then, I usually just stay at 1 place for like a week or a month and that is perfect for me. Your attitude determines your enjoyment levels. You can soak up local smalltown life, or you can spend days on planes trains automobiles. Quality over quantity is a true virtue to follow with nearly everything.

>>2857789
since you're a newbie /trv-er, I would recommend "easy" destinations like Rome, Barca and Paris.

Only a seasoned veteran would know how to make the most out of Milan and Marseille. But then again, you gotta start somewhere.

> Monaco
Oh you rich?

>>2857789
Rome > Florence > Bologna > Milan> Nice (with a day-trip to Monaco) > Marseille > Geneve > Paris

You are doing Rome-Paris route essentially
> San Marino, Ravenna and Venice
They are kind of too off from your journey
>Marseille
Although it can be skippable, it is important to ease the cultural shock you'll feel when you go to Paris at first time, trust me
>Barcelona and Andorra
It would be a mandatory (Andorra not so much) stop if you were doing Rome/Madrid or Rome/Lisbon, which is not the case.
About Andorra, they don't have train lines and the trip from Barcelona lasts around 2:30. It is not for Barcelona first timers.
>Mt. St. Michel
You already decided for Mediterranean, so keep North Atlantic for another trip.

>Adding Geneve
It seems that you want to add countries for your Real Traveller TM map, so exchange San Marino and Andorra for Switzerland.

>>2857891
Oh, I've been to Paris before, just not on my own. Ravenna and Mt. St. Michel are non negotiable really, been a dream of mine to visit those places for years, and I don't think a "North Atlantic" trip would entail much else, at least not in France. But thanks for the ideas, I don't think Switzerland is off the table but if I had to trim down even more it would go on the chopping block

>>2857784
Bro europe is a continent. Honestly, stick to Italy and you'll have a great time. Just avoid any interactions with maghrebians, especially during night.

>>2857826
>I did this with Japan since it was probably the only time I would ever go. I regret it
I was tempted to "explore more than one main island" but luckly i decided to stick to tokyo,kyoto,osaka and do some 1/2 days trips in nearby townships. Totally loved and the few transits were a nice moment to chill and enjoy the countryside.

What i suggest to OP is just focus on a country (Italy in march is great, not cold but not even the intense heath of summer) and pick some main cities.
For example he can arrive at Fiumicino and take some days to visit Rome.
Then move to florence (just 1 hour with high speed train) and visit florence and some nearby towns (Siena,San Gimignano and so on) and then move to Venice (2 hours of train) and finally move to milan and from milan he can travel to the alps and lakes too.

Pro tip: avoid to take trains on friday.

>>2857891
Ravenna is a day trip from Bologna.

>>2857784
American goes to europe and goes full retard the trip, we only get this thread 10x a months, so congratulation you posted thread 11. Just add another 50 destinations and it will be so much better also a half day trip to Bergen or Reykjavik is missing and you could add breakfast in Wladiwostok on the way from Monaco to Nice.

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>>2858320
Hi. I have a 1 week holiday from work coming up. I'm from the United States of America (born in New York, but currently working California. Voted Democrat).
I want a totally off the beaten track holiday, where I'll see and do things NOBODY in the world has ever done. I only speak English (and uno pocito Espana, por favor), so need recommendations to accommodate this.
Can you check my itinerary? I'm looking to spend at least an hour in each location. I get out of breath easily, so please limit the walking with your recommendations.

>>2858320
No need to be rude.
I've seen plenty of Europeans try planning similar trips in America, not knowing how big it is

>>2858361
Link to one thread.

>>2858368
No

>>2857784
My recommendation: don't plan anything, just your flight in/out and first night of hotel. Decide the day before what you'll do tomorrow. Planning kills the enjoyment of travel.

I'm serious. The best trips and the best discoveries are random. Don't plan

>>2857840 made me lol, wtf "only a seasoned traveller can enjoy Marseille or Milan", you're not talking about Yemen or Afghanistan, don't be stupid

>>2857891
Don't listen to boring people like this

>>2858399
>just yolo
He might miss something though!

>>2857784
Skip France and Spain

France is a trip of its own (and you chose the wrong spots) and Spain is subpar compared to Italy.

>>2857784
Europe is a shit hole. Why would you go there?

>>2858399
>planning kills the enjoyment of travel
Not OP but I love planning trips. I don't plan it down to the hour but I do carefully plan which hostel I'm staying in, where I'm going, and how long im staying in each spot. I wing it for everything else, but I like having a framework

Hi, been a while since I opened this.

Unfortunately I can't cut France because my tickets are already bought and we're a gift, but I'll probably spend less time there than originally planned. Mt. St. Michel is non negotiable however, as is Ravenna. Spain is out, and I'm debating cutting southern France and/or Milan. I for sure want to go back to France more times, but Nice and Monaco are right there and they sound like cool places to go. I'll keep my plans relatively lax beyond hotels/Airbnb and whatnot, but I'd really appreciate knowing good places to go in Rome and Paris, especially hidden gems or activities that require booking in advance. For the latter I'm planning on going into the catacombs.

Anyway, thanks for all the advice so far, this place is far more chill than I thought.

>>2858320
As an American I also like to stay on the move when I travel and visit smaller towns, not bum around for a whole week in a big city alreadu full of tourists. Just be sure to book hotels near train stations or bus terminals to make travel easy-peasy. Also, look up timetables to ensure you can enjoy leisurely mornings and 10 am to 2 pm departures. Google Maps transit dirrctions is not perfect, but it is very useful for itinerary planning.

>>2858411
Who gives a shit, you always miss something. And let's be honest, taking the trillionth picture of the Colosseum is not what's making a trip worth it

>>2858463
Enjoy your boring trips

>>2858468
Hidden gems are exactly that: hidden. And it'll be different for everyone. Most probably it'll be a random cafe when the weather is good, a pretty brunette smiles at you and there are no loud Americans around. But all of these factors are not predictable so might as well YOLO it

>>2858522
>Enjoy your boring trips
They aren't boring for me

>>2858522
>Enjoy your thing that i don't like
people who talk like this are usually incredibly boring

>>2858522

t. douchebag realtraveler ™

>>2858523
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>>2858553
OP asked advice, it is given straightforward. If you want advice to protect OP or feel good, ask your mom or go to Facebook.

Don't overplan and leave your schedule open is real and essential advice for OP to enjoy his trip rather than constantly running towards the next scheduled thing. If you don't want to hear it that's your problem.

>>2858622
Hey man, I just disagree with you. Everyone travels differently. OP can choose whether your travel philosophy or others is better suited for him

>>2857826
staying long in transit can be fine if you have kindle full of backlog books waiting long for rare vacation to finish

>>2858622
yeah there's a difference between offering travel advice and being a twat about it though isn't there
i really don't know why people on a travel board are such cunts sometimes. 4chan is always 4chan i suppose.

>>2857784
you could spend 1 month, hell even 3-6 months exploring rome alone
don't rush it

>>2857784
You’re gonna spend more times in airports and on trains than enjoying your destinations. Trim 8 off the list.

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>>2857784
I flew into milan and am currently in bologna >milan>venice>rasen anholtz (bus over from San lorenzo)>cortina>udine(with short change over in milan)
It's entirely do-able, but do you plan to stay long enough in rome, Florence, and Paris to really take in what you want?

I'm mainly doing airbnb. Everyone I've spoken to so far has spoken English, and even when I did a trip in southern Italy I was able to make it work with a little Google translate.

Pick your places, make sure you have the ability to travel in between, book your stays, book your flights, don't get fucked over by united in Newark, and have a nice time.