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Ooops! All Ash Clan Edition
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>Working 18 hour shift in the RDA unobtanium goymines when she texts you this
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Hello bro(tha)
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NOOOO STOP MAKING THREADS
IT'S A FLOP IT'S A FLOP IT'S A FLOP
I'M GONNA FREAK
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This is my favorite Avatar character
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I was there when Jake Sully became Turocmacktoe!
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Last thread someone linked some official na'vi insults:
https://naviteri.org/2019/09/choice-statements-vs-choice-questions-and -some-insults/
>This insult derives fromkali’weya, a species of poisonous arachnid, andeveng‘child.’ So calling someone akalweyavengis calling them the child of a poisonous spider. The closest expression we have in English that insults someone’s lineage is probably ‘son of a bitch.’
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>kurkung(n., KUR.kung) ‘asshole’
This is close tovonvä’ but even more vulgar and insulting. It’s a compound ofkuru‘queue’ andkung‘putrid, rotten.’
>kung(adj.) ‘putrid, fetid, rotten’
>Kungcan refer to rotten meat or a pile of dead and rotting animal matter in the forest.
>To call someone’s queue rotten is a powerful insult.
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>Jake Sully is a traitor and a terrorist! He wants to import all the Navi to our planet!
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I like their stuff
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https://youtu.be/x3-Y1jaddbo?si=s1lYvVU30xkoFZ-o&t=63
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>>217701387
Any chance at 1.5 billies?
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>>217701866
Jimmy says guns and the military are le bad and then goes out of his way to make them look as cool as possible
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Why do cool designs get left on the cutting room floor? Like, this would have been interesting to see in the movie.
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she is, Neytiri is so perfect bros
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>*teaches your kids some Na'vi*
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STOP IT!!!!!!!!
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Brace yourself: the ash clan cover themselves in ash.
When Quaritch comes out of Varang's tent in Bridgehead he hasn't had any warpaint put on but he's looking distinctly grey because Varang rubbed her ash all over him while they were boning.
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I think Toruk in this specific scene was made bigger than he actually is.
He didn't do this shit in the first movie because he physically was incapable to do so.
This whole battle feels like arcade cause of how most attacks are basically one shots.
Hopefully for 4 Jimbo wrote better final battle.
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>>217702172
I prefer these executioner Mangkwan design.
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I swear, watch "Eywa" be a organic computer made a by a precursor race of aliens, who nearly destroyed their world and then began a new life on Pandora, and humanity be some sort of either remnant of that precursor race that didn't have the Eywa program to help them or their Gaia program was like AM from I Have No Mouth and I must Scream, and deliberately caused humans strife and misery for the Hell of it until we hated our planet.
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With the environmentalism theme I think humanity fucking itself over will be its own fault as opposed to sabotage, but fucking yourself over with tech will be the default and the precursor Na'vi either fucked up Pandora or their home planet before colonizing Pandora, and the fauna of present day Pandora have been engineered into the Eywa-kuru system, either by changes to their ancestors by the precursors or by Eywa itself.
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>Kiri captured by RDA and sold off to human elites for pleasure
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>they killed tulkun
>they attacked his kids
>they burned his village
>they killed his wife
How long before Tonowari joins Neytiri's TPD crew?
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Yeah, I mean it's a given with the 3 laws and how specific they are.
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Lmao what the fuck is this dance
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>Hey Sully, hows it feel to betray your own race?
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>You tell me Colonel.
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>that's different
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Hatred of the invading enemy is a most humane feeling. But it is born with such a pain of heart and torment of the soul that God forbid anyone to experience it a second time -Pavel Batov
>loses her sister
>loses her father
>loses her hometree
>loses her ikran
>watches half a forest burn as the sky people return
>forced to leave her tribe and home
>forced to live with sea tribe who hate her kids
>loses her eldest son
>accidentally breaks her father's bow
>watches her greatest enemy threaten to slice her adopted daughter's throat
>watches her youngest daughter get sucked down a hole into a sky people monstrosity
>thinks that she and her daughter are going to drown surrounded by cold metal
>has to bury her son far from her home and tribe
>gets shot in the shoulder
>watches the ship carrying her kids go down in flames
>has to endure the world's worst rehab
>forced to watch her beloved husband dragged away by her most hated rival
>has to risk death multiple times to free him
>realize the thing she despised for 16 years is actually just a hurting lonely kid
>realize she convinced her husband the kid should be murdered
>watches her youngest daughter get kidnapped
>again
>mindraped by an apostate witch
Neytiri is for suffering
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My nigga shooting his shot in this movie is inspirational beyond words. She threatened to kill him TWICE and he just stayed the course and never gave up. There are many deep lessons here.
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>LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE RDA
>PLEASE MAKE WAY FOR THE QUEEN
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>jobs offscreen
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>MOM SAYS IT'S MY TURN TO BE OPERATIONAL COMMANDER
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Varang: How about I kill you
Quaritch: How about you come over here and kiss me with that hot mouth
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>you're not gonna see Eywa when ya die
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>omw home
>don't bathe
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Should Randy Quaid play a tourist of pandora in the next film?
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I like how both Quaritch and Varang don't give a single shit about ash navi down range in the path of the flamer
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Leave my cute reef tsahiks alone! They did nothing wrong!
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actual bloddy goddess of total pinker death, sar
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Kinda surprised we haven't seen any human X navi relationships other than Spider. You'd think one of the background lab or RDA guys would have a navi girlfriend at this point in the timeline. Its not like they're likely to see human women ever again.
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>this is why pinkasses can never be one of the people
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Women in natural societies don't have "relationships", they get a husband and have kids and both of those things are extremely important to them.
>can't have kids with a human
>can't even kuru bond with a human
>human will not be with Eywa
These are even bigger problems than being a midget and needing to wear a mask.
There's a reason it was Kiri, who grew up with a degree of estrangement from traditional Omaticaya culture due to being the foreigner hero-chief's daughter, who always felt like a weird outsider growing up with a fully avatar body and no blood parents, who ended up going for a human, and that human was a childhood friend Na'viboo who looks like Tarzan.
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Because he thinks the impact on the tens of millions of people who watch his film will outweigh it's creation.
If everyone who cared about the environment killed themselves to minimize their environmental impact, there'd only be people who don't give a fuck left and they would proceed to fuck things up worse than ever.
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>is fucking Norm in unfinished scenes
>was originally planned to return despite dying in a fiery explosion if the actress hadn't declined; only way imaginable for this to work is if they somehow got her into an avatar or recom
I wonder if she was meant to become Norm's wife in the original script instead of the hot Na'vi he has now.
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One single "dirty ship" (like a massive container vessel or a military tanker) produces more sulfur and nitrogen oxides than millions of individual cars combined. Individual action isn't going to change shit. If people want change they should go after the big whales.
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It's about getting people riled up about it. Except activism is totally co-opted by self-destructive idpol smokescreens and votes don't matter. But at least people might bitch on social media about China's fishing fleet or the deforestation of the Amazon and Borneo or why we're using "green" meme energy that rapes the environment instead of nuclear.
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Think so, besides the factory ship
...which didn't really do anything besides launch more of the same small boats and submersibles from the last movie, and then explode big enough to give the visuals they wanted at the end
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Biblical Imaginery
-"Eywa" = "Yahweh", a simple reversal of the abrahmic sky daddy god.
-The character name "Grace Augustine" is fully loaded with christianity. "Grace" is a specific theological state where you get right with god. Augustine was a theologian and saint.
-In the third movie, one of the Ash people pokes Quaritch in his obliques with a spear, drawing a bit of blood. This is like the Lance of Longinus for Evangelion fans, or: the holy spear.
-Varang's tight little horizontal binder is sometimes worn with a vertical stripe of paint or paints, clearly forming a cross.
-The third film specifically makes general appeals to faith and belief, especially the opening argument between Jake and Ney (and Jake really ought to know better, since he lived the proof of his god at the climax of the first film).
-In the first film, when the much larger Neytiri cradles Jake's weak human body, this pose is taken directly from the Pieta (mary cradles the dead jesus). The Michelangelo sculpture is the best known example, but it's a genre thing with other instances.
-"Tulkun". The sound of this word is suspiciously close to the jewish theological concept of "tikkun". In rough strokes, the jewish/kabbalastic notion of tikkun is: the world is broken and wrong, and various troublesome things in the world (qlippoth) obstruct our clear view of reality. Therefore, we should endeavor to repair the broken world that we inhabit.
-And then of course, the Na'vi are waging jihad against the occupying humans.
-Jake is short for Jacob
-Jacob took his brother Esau's inheritance by wearing goatskins on his arms so his father would think he was Esau
-Jake literally wears his brother's Avatar and takes his place in the program
-Jake Sully, the father of the tribe, taking his son Spyder out to kill him before changing his mind by a revelation
You can stretch it any way you like, but the abrahamist stuff is a major informer.
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No matter how tough Varang pretends she is, deep down inside she's still a terrified child, and her whole ideology is just unresolved teenage angst against Eywa
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Factories can also process things. Granted it's usually more of a process than hauling up a corpse, sticking a needle in it then dumping it, but the scale counts for something.
Factory Ship sounds cooler than Processing Ship, and the RDA cares about its image. Personally I would've gone with Abattoir Ship.
>sounds cool
>edgy
>sounds like Avatar
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Late to the party, just saw it. Varang was very, very hot but everything else was meh. Too many rehashed plot elements.
They should've focused on how to get rid of that city the humans are building. Say that the city's been terraforming and changing the atmospheric composition, tie it nicely with Spider's new ability to breathe (themes of artificial vs natural process). Final battle would be Jake's army trying to assault the city and failing, then Kiri could go full Eywa mode and use some bullshit magnetic powers to rip the city out of the ground (instead of rehashing Avatar 1's zerg swarm). RDA gets purged again. Then movies 4 and 5 can be about some of the Avatars going back to Earth for whatever shenanigans.
Quite disappointing, but I do hope that this being a "flop" means Cameron would finally move on to do other things
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>There will be killing till the score is paid. - Homer, The Odyssey
>The dumber people think you are, the most surprised they're going to be when you kill them. -William Clayton
>You philosophers are lucky men. You write on paper and paper is patient. Unfortunate Empress that I am, I write on the susceptible skins of living beings -Catherine the Great
What sort of skypeople literature and historical figures would be Varang be interested in?
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>Jeff knew Avatar was going to get best picture in advance.
>"Jerome Epstein" is a prominent character in the tie in game.
Technically he is in files, but yeah he went to the island.
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Something occurred to me with the earlier posts theorizing about life after death in Eywa and the implications of Grace showing awareness of events after her own death when speaking to Kiri: Grace died while she was directly connected to Eywa. It's possible instead of being essentially a clone uploaded to Eywa, her entire consciousness was basically sucked out of her dying body and she is functionally immortal within Eywa, her original stream of consciousness preserved forever.
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funny, I was just reading those yesterday
https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22Biesty%2C+Stephen%22&sor t=-downloads
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Exactly this. Next time you slimy little incels have your ''''based'''' chudette waifu fantasies about Varang with her having wild, uninhibited sex with you, her whispering perverse if sweet nothings in your ear as you cuddle and she lays her head on your chest and stares into your eyes, her tail squeezing your pathetic little incel human frame with at least 4 feet of height difference, your body scarred with scratches, burns and bites, and her making you her mate, THINK of all the terrible things she's done! The Na'vi CHILDREN who lie dead, the villages burned, the RAPE of defenseless victims, the kurus cut and collected like trophies, the terror and fear spread across the land. You should be ASHAMED, and seek a virtuous mate like Neytiri!
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>whatever blue bitch
>I was still your adopted son's first
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To be fair they all have dreads and are played by primarily black actors.
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Tsu'tey and Mo'at are black actors, Neytiri and Eytukan are not
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I think everyone uploaded to Eywa is fully aware of events after their own deaths (as long as someone connected and gave them that information), the only difference between Grace and the others was just when the last backup happened
If Kiri liked Spider that much, she'd have told Grace about him even before the events of A2
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Their dicks have to be small, to explain why loincloths don't flop out of the way and give us Na'vi dick slips in these PG-13 movies
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>The Na'vi CHILDREN who lie dead, the villages burned, the RAPE of defenseless victims, the kurus cut and collected like trophies, the terror and fear spread across the land.
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oy veywa stop noticing
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It's kinda weird how you think you are going somewhere new with the skytraders then they get shot down 5 minutes later and never get revisited. Then you go to volcano land with the ash people and as soon as Varang gets her guns we never see that continent again. You literally get shot out of Avatar 3 then land back into Avatar 2.
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It's been stated that they both have larger roles in A4. The problem is they're introduced at the start of A3 and it's great, then for the next 2/3rds of the movie it's the conclusion to everything started in TWoW and all the new shit you were teased with is set aside with a brief respite at Bridgehead.
Really, what full scenes are the most memorable in A3? For me it's everything with Varang and the Wind Traders, then everything at Bridgehead including the not-killing of Spider. Even the final battle isn't that interesting, it looks cool but not much is going on, it follows the same pattern of A1's battle and you're expecting it to beforehand because Ronal told Kiri to call Eywa.
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They should've jumped to like a year after TWoW. You don't need to see Lo'ak and the Tulkun AGAIN; just say that CETOPS got fucked by the last mission and the RDA is now focusing on building the City and poisoning the air. You also don't need to see Jake and Lo'ak reconcile over Neteyam's death AGAIN; that shit was already done by the end of TWoW (see picrel).
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This post by Neytiri edified me. I didn't think a bloodthirsty racist like her would be the one to convince me so. But regardless, the point is I don't think I can afford to idolize a monster like Varang any longer. No more 'I stroke, you cum, you die (all this with Varang having her knife to my throat)' daydreaming for me then. No, sir.
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There is timeline where they are married.
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>>217711285
where's the timeline where I have a Zoe wife?
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he looks like a lion, very handsome man
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She'd make a nice Sheva.
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>Where. Is the one that made these dogshit plushies of me?
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Some Shakira shit.
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Please tell me this woman has nudes.
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>Do you feel in charge?
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>pinky swear?
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random background ashwife got snagtooth
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eyelashes 2 toruk maktoogaloo
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>neytiri and jake has two kids
>one is retarded and gets himself killed
>the other one is retarded as well and edgy
>jake adopts the human surfer bro just to spite his old boss and neytiri
>neytiri adopts the hippie girl to keep jake sexually frustrated
>they found a loli somewhere
>neytiri adopts a goddamn baby in the last movie
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just wachted Fire and Ash yesterday, went in blind
the first half of the movie I was hyped because Varang and her clan were just the coolest fucking shit I'd seen in cinema in a long time, and there was still hope for either Jake and Quaritch having to team up against Varang, or Quaritch going full feral Heart of Darkness style with the fire clan (both of which would have offered great opportunities for developing Quaritch's identity crisis). tripping scene was peak
the movie basically lost me during the escape from bridgehead scene bc it was both ridiculous and rendered everything before obsolete in a cheap way
then it lost me some more when it turned from Fire and Ash into Way of Water II and I was pretty disappointed and didn't really care for the action scenes at that point
The things the movie was meant to do by its title and promotion focus it didn't do at all, Varang and the fire clan were in the end just another tool of humanity to hunt Jake and kill whales, they neither had a lot of exposure nor an own agenda
Huge potential wasted in my opinion. The volcano ie geology underneath the biosphere is the only thing Eywa can't control, thus couldn't protect the fire clan, and this was just some one line detail that was easy to not catch at all. But you could have run with that theme and tie it in with Jesus girl. Or you could have done an entirely different plot, but please goddammit give me FIRE AND ASH, don't tease me with the hottest fucking villainess and waste her on Way of Water II. Fuck.
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Fire and Ash should've been the 2nd movie. No Bridgehead. No RDA. Mangkwan are raiding villages, scalping Navis, taking slaves, stealing loot and hunting whales. Metkayina refugees asks Olo'eyktan Jake Sully for help and he obliges. They take back Metkayina territory thanks to human weapons. Varang was dumbfounded at the weapons that make thunder. Ending scene RDA dropship lands near Mangkwan territory and Recom squad comes out.
Way of Water is now the 3rd movie. Recom squad makes a deal with Mangkwan for using their territory as a landing base. Varang and Quaritch falls in love. Loak and Tsireya falls in love but Loak is treated as an outcast for befriending a Payakan. Loak manages to convince the whales to fight back. Later in the movie RDA and Mangkwan attacks Metkayina village again. They almost get defeated until Kiri controls the squids which equalizes the battle. Then Loak comes out of nowhere with a pod of whales to crush the RDA and scare Varang away. Quaritch and Jake have their battle in the flux and Quaritch jumps into the fire. The End.
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>>217712731
Varang deserved even better. Like the humans trying to use her for their purposes but her adapting too fast and eventually outsmarting them in order to trigger some huge ecological catastrophe, on a scale that not even humas are cool with because it would destroy valuable ressources, like a super volcanoe or radioactive havoc or something, all to spite Eywa
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HOLY FUCK! is this Quaritchs kids?
They should do a romeo and juliet type thing for the next film between one of his kids and the sullys, probably tuk because she would be the closest age to Varrangs children
holy shit this would be awesome Romeo and juliet in space and one of quaritchs kids gets lkilled which wakes him up to living on the planet
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>>217712347
Varang's people were too primitive for a clan that rejects the anti-industrialization goddess, their village felt too lifeless. Jim had an opportunity to show us a radically different Na'vi culture but they didn't even use the wheel unfortunately.
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>>217706246
stop the gaslighting man, he tries his best to be environmentally friendly I remember how he said some of the post production would be environmentally and ecologically sustained as much as they can be either through solar power or whatever, even if it was 1% at least he's trying, nothing no other pretending piece of shit in the industry is trying
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>>217708067
Lo'ak is not a black actor
Sigourney is not a black actor
Jake is not black actor
Neteyam is not a black actor
Tuk is not a black actor
Etukan is not a black actor
Norm is nto a black actor
Quaritch is not a black actor
Varaang is not a black actor
Wind Trader is not a black actor
I mean people can keep trying to be racist and say it's blacks winning the whites but it's really not
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>*teaches your kids to hate Eywa*
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Is that the same qt who offered Quaritch the drink
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>>217714941
I just rewatched avatar 2 last night. I saw it in theaters 3 years ago when I had a job that was killing me but I went to a really late showing and I drifted in and out of sleep right around when they launched the whaling ship. I completely forgot that the Neytayam died. How do you remember all the injun names when watching? Subs help?
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>What keen-ohs will we watch tonight, skyman?
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What did James Cameron mean by this?
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>>217715772
FUARK
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Whale galactic empire when?
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>>217715772
Holy Yumola...
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I still love watching the final battle of Avatar 1. Everything is so thrilling and the humans were a real threat. The Na'vi really needed Jake's experience and special weaponry to have a chance. The ending battles in the next two were neat but didn't have that same excitement. And I feel like Cameron is relying WAY too much on the humans constantly getting sneak attacked by sudden animal zerg rushes to lose
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>>217701415
Zootopia is better
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>>217701415
>cultural impact status?
Achieved.
Avatar is now so ingrained in our culture that it is openly used as inspiration for other movies. Like pixar's "Hopper", where they outright mention avatar in their trailer.
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>>217718047
the reason why Pandora doesn't seem as dangerous in the sequels is because Jake and Neytiri are extremely honed hunters. They also did regular ambushes of trains and convoys for a year before Quaritch even arrived.
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>>217718072
>I told you id get your real legs back..
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The whales are the precursors. The environment exists for them. They're intelligent, they sing and play all day in paradise, and they have a vestigial immortality organ. James Cameron probably wishes he was a whale. There's no evidence to suggest that the biological machine that is eywa didn't just shit out the navi as soon as "she" "saw" what humans look like. A sympathetically shaped people who "remember" a shared history which might be entirely fictional, and only as old as the first human visit. They have HDMI cables in their fucking heads. There's no reason to assume their history is real.
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>>217717991
The good guy Navi won't use guns, only the evil Ash people. The only good Navi who use guns are Jake (not a real Navi) and his two sons. The other Navi want to go to war with sticks because their planet goddess told them that guns are bad.
it's actually an interesting plot point and I wish it got explored more, like maybe younger Navi start rejecting tradition and realizing that guns are good similar to the young whales realizing that violence is based.
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>>217706467
Getting people riled up means jack fucking shit. India and China combined produce the overwhelming majority of pollution on the planet, they don't give a shit, they would literally have mass famines if they did try to give a shit because the reproduce to an absurd excess and even if the citizens gave a shit, the government would just ruthlessly squash them. Environmentalism is a nice concept but totally impractical at this point in time given the overwhelming amount of power opposing it.
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>The only good Navi who use guns are Jake (not a real Navi) and his two sons
So the wielder matters more than the sentiment? That seems like a silly technicality more than anything, the exact same actions would suddenly become verboten if a real Na'vi did them?
I get the sentiment of not using technology that can lead down a destructive path but treating guns themselves as evil in a movie in some sort of retarded political rhetoric way seems really silly given that we both blatantly see people using them for both good and evil and that killing with a bow or knife is apparently completely void of this evil.
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>Ash clan and humans think they gangsta before Eywa really wakes up
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>>217715241
>tfw can recall extremely small details from media I haven't touched since before my 20's very easily but literally cannot remember most of the past decade of my life or what I even did yesterday
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>destroys you
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>>217718552
the Navi are technophobes. Asking them to use guns is like asking the Amish to drive a tank.
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>>217718644
Canadians are the best at this type of thing
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in the first movie they talked about how they couldn't just massacre all the Navi because humans on Earth wouldn't like it. I wish the movies explored other humans more, like having humans protesting against the killing of the whales and stuff. There's that one scientist guy but there should be more talk about there being a lot of humans on Earth who oppose the evil humans doing evil human stuff.
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Why don't they just firebomb most of the planet and torture the Na'vi to death?
>but muh humans on Earth will be upset!
Who cares? Fine them for crying, tax them for complaining and imprison them if they keep doing it.
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>Out there beyond that fence every living thing that crawls, flies, or squats in the mud wants to kill you and eat your eyes for jujubes
>squats in the mud
They've been squat shitting the in the same turd swamp for 20 years.
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you take that back!
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The little video Quarritch watched about himself explaining the brain scan clearly shows that only the dumbest retards signed up for that project. No one with above room temperature IQ would make a soulstick of himself so that a corporation owns you forever and can put you into cloned bodies that are corporate property.
I do agree though that the recoms are cool, and were wasted. I guess they were a victim of the A2 and A3 split.
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that's an old photo, while she is very cute still she is clearly semitic looking these days
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>>217718581
>IT'S OVER, SKYPEOPLE! I HAVE THE HIGH GROU-AAAAACK
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I'm not even a gun autist and this sticks out like a sore thumb.
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