I gave up six episodes in. Boring piece of shit show

>>217755715
That’s crazy. It’s probably the best show ever made, specifically season 2 and 3

>>217755688
Mid show made by a bunch of Shakespeare wannabes that forgot about having any kind of story.

>>217755688
Season 2 is where it gets goated. Al has to pass kidney stones.

>>217755859
>gleeted

>>217755688
Agreed. He was very relatable and funny, but also a real bastard at times, but also not some impenetrable evil genius. He can get outwitted and outplayed, huffs and puffs for a bit, then gets over it and stays hustling without slowing down. His character was a good example of the type of hardcore Anglo blood that got drained from Britain to do real shit in America, hence why Britain is what it is today.

>>217755688
Phenomenal character.

Swedsin cocksuckaaa

too bad he gets turned into a pussy in the movie

>>217755715
t. hooplehead

>>217755688
Yeah he’s the best character by a lot. Great actor too, and a classic series. I liked Brad Douriff’s character and the pedo principal from Ferris Beuller as the newspaper man was good also. The movie that came out a few years back was pretty worthless though.

>>217755859
that scene is a nightmare

Deadwood is great. Way better than Rome but it doesn't get as much love. The movie was ok but it was good to see the characters again even if Ian McShane sounded pretty rough.

>>217755688
They figured out a way to put Geri Jewell into the show. How could it be bad?

>>217756568
Milch put her in Luck too

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Best episodes
>season 1
Mister Wu
>season 2
Something Very Expensive
>season 3
A Two-Headed Beast

The whole show is great but these 3 eps will put you over the top regardless of whether you know anything that happens prior

It’s funny because Timothy Olyphant is set up as the badass sympathetic main character protagonist to root for and he just looks and acts like a huge gay faggot the whole time. Was constantly rooting for Al and co to blow his brains out.

>>217756605
Yeah he got annoying fast.

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Best character coming through

>>217755688
>SWERGEN!
>HONG DAI!

>>217756605
I liked his suppressed rage having to go out and be an upstanding citizen around a bunch of degenerates the whole series

>>217756565
Rome would have been better if they didn’t cuck it and speedrun all the events in season 2

i can't believe it didn't get like 8 seasons like sopranos it must have just cost too much and they just considered it a sacrifice, because it is like top 10 best shows ever made. 2019 movie sucked tho lacked edge but it was cool to see everyone who was still alive return

>>217758523
It was kind of surreal that the show just ends before the most historic event in that town even takes place. Would have made for an incredible season to see everyone rebuilding from scratch.

>>217755688
kinda yeah

>>217756017
>His character was a good example of the type of hardcore Anglo blood that got drained from Britain to do real shit in America, hence why Britain is what it is today.

Yes, anyone with a spine left that shitty Island centuries ago.

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Who was in the wrong here?

need to get on this show again I watched it for the 1st time this summer and lost interest somewhere in season 2. Remember not caring one bit about much of what happened in the beginning of season 2. This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG3QLIesK_I scene is incredible

>>217759193

Between Canada, America, and Australia, the UK got giga drained of any men of ambition, vigor. Imagine how painful it must have felt to be stuck on your cloudy jam packed rock while great things were being built in new lands.

>>217759193
I see the narrative a lot on /pol/ that any DNA of worth jumped to America but I don't know, seems like fart huffing. As if the contemptible state of the modern UK is such that Anglo-Americans have to deny any ethnic kinship by creating this narrative

>>217760386

There is something unique about Americans though. They are more stubborn, enterprising, freedom loving. it's clear where Euros/Americans just naturally, culturally differ even with their other differences. It's about space and their right to pursue things unimpeded which tracks, because everyone who came here really had that kind of natural drive.

UNTIL Hart Celler and immigration in the modern welfare/fake job age. You can tell they have no respect at all for traditional American ambitions and values.

>>217755715
Cocksucka

>>217760183
Given that Canada (especially Canada) and Australia are either fucked or not far behind the UK, I doubt it's all down to the blood. As for the UK, it is set up in such a way that it fucks native men of ambition, talent, etc. Completely and utterly fucked and cringe. It's not that the UK's systems are arranged in such a way it's ripe for talented men to do wonderful things but nothing ever materialises because the British are all cavemen-tier orcs, it's that the system is arranged against (You).

>>217756597
I love the Deadwood but I felt s3 started to slide in quality, mostly because I have no idea what the point of Brian Cox’s character was.

>>217756605
They kind of hit their stride with writing him around season three, where his dialogue is notably reduced. He works best when he talks less. The strong silent type.

>>217760430
I agree, America had this incredibly dynamism, because of the winning combination of the culture these settlers came from (Anglo-Saxon tradition) paired with being a wild frontier society and the autistic contraints of the aristocracy (the Norman yoke school of thought).

Even at the UK's zenith, America was still 'untamed' where England was a 'green and pleasant land' - fully settled and peaceful and quaint. Very lovely, I am sure, but not a breeding ground for dynamic risk taking culture outside of some key areas relating to the Empire and security. I guess I simply resent Americans taking a sort of sneering eugenics attitude towards British people - cause I have a 'we are all in this boat together' outlook when it comes to people that are redpilled.

>>217760127
Al breaking for a second when he's watching him from his balcony was great, mcshane really sells it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At2e2r71CoE

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>>217755715

>>217755813
1 kicks the shit out of both of those. If you removed every scene with that fucking theater troupe 3 would actually improve.

>>217760457
It was a set up for future seasons. Alma was going to become a playwright.

>>217760470
There's a bit in the pilot or episode 2 I don't see remarked on a whole lot where he and Al have their first argument and Bullock is glowering at Al and staying rooted on the spot, and Al says something 'Like this man away from me!' - not in 'oh he's so badass sense', it's effectively conveying how governed he is by his autistic rage

>>217755688
It sucks learning that in real life he wasn’t a conman with a heart of gold he was just a piece of shit and a slave driver.

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>>217755715
Call the Chinaman.

>>217760430
>There is something unique about Americans
yeah they didn't got destroyed twice like EU in like thirty years apart

>>217756605
I still get mad every time I see his name first in the credits. McShane’s Swedgin was arguably better than Gandolfini’s Tony.

>>217759308
I can't remember a whole lot about this subplot, wasn't it basically Hearst totally cucking Cy out of his role as the town's big bad villain and Cy having an existential crsis because of feeling so powerless?

>>217755688
what show

>>217756655
He was quietly the second best actor in the show.

>>217758927
What event was that anon

>>217760627
McShane was also great in Sexy Beast. You spend something like 2/3rds of the film seeing Ben Kingsley being this unhinged fuck, he plays the role perfectly, and McShane still holds his own with far less screentime and as this softly spoken calm gangster

>>217760599
>he was just a piece of shit

One of the first things he does in the show is assign one of his henchmen to murder a child so that she won’t snitch on his operation, I don’t think he’s terribly whitewashed, he’s just charming and entertaining

>>217755688
Yeah Swearingen is hard to beat. More based than Tony Soprano? Probably. My two favorite tv characters surely. Also my two favorite shows.

>>217760599
lol so was calamity jane.

>swears constantly
>called swear engine
who tf wrote that shit

>>217755715
Grade-A cuck redditpost. This fag watches Marvelslop and goons to tranny porn.

>>217760710
IIRC, she was neither a lesbian nor so aggressively masculine and usually wore dresses

>>217760183
The US (and possibly the rest of the anglosphere) got the men who were brave but of low to mid standing mostly. If you were a British aristocrat your life would be better staying put than starting over in the US where you had no standing. Unfortunately the US also got Britain’s retards, namely the Scots-Irish, who were infamous on the island for being low IQ, violent criminals. If you’ve ever wondered why the south is the way it is, or black people are the way they were, it’s because the south was flooded with Scots-Irish and black people spent hundreds of years around them.

>>217760599
And worse yet that he was Dutch
>>217760583
I think the turnaround was that they realized he was the perfect straightman and began writing him in comedy scenes like the whole dispute with the livery.

>>217760732
her job was to gather up girls to be whores for the bella union.

>>217760633
No it was before that. Jeannie and Eddie both turned on Cy after he killed Kristen Bell and her brother, then Cy loudly called Eddie a boy fucking pedophile. Then Eddie started stealing money. Cy was supposed to kill Eddie but Ricky Jay left the show first so they just said that he left Deadwood.

>>217760430
US is capitalism with cheat codes on. Tons of land, tons of resources, laws that favor commerce, fairly low taxes, two oceans and fuckloads of inland waterways, and no military powers in the entire hemisphere. It makes that it’s been a magnet for talent since it was discovered.

>>217760451
I’m not sure why Australia sucks but Canada is just the faggots who didn’t want to stop having a king. It really sucks they had to exist. Imagine if there was no Canada and it was all America.

>>217755813
every season is great, but Season 1 clears 2 and 3.

>>217760793
>It makes that it’s been a magnet for talent since it was discovered.
Is it still any good now? I keep hearing how white male zillennials/zoomers are fucked and struggling even in the land of opportunity.

>>217756017
>His character was a good example of the type of hardcore Anglo blood that got drained from Britain to do real shit in America, hence why Britain is what it is today.
One of the funniest lines of the show, which is filled with hilarious lines, from the first ep, paraphrased:
>Al, is it true you're related to British nobility
>Al: Oh yeah, I'm descended from all those cocksuckers!
loool

>>217760820
>I’m not sure why Australia sucks
Interesting take I read floated is that they descend from the actual prison guards, wardens, and that whole apparatus in addition to the convicts (probably most of whom weren't these half-mad firebrands but ordinary people that made some mistakes, etc)

>>217760546
>England was a 'green and pleasant land' - fully settled and peaceful and quaint
I think you’re taking a romantic view on England. It hasn’t been an egalitarian place where all was well since the 700s. They never fought off the Vikings after those invasions. The Normans instituted feudalism and the resulting class divide never fully healed. The UK’s power zenith was in the 1800s, which was disrupted by the industrial revolution, where much of that green land was cut down to build factories that spewed coal smoke into the air and many farms were abandoned to staff them.

>>217760911
I'm think more in terms of the whole. England was a quaint land of peace despite the pits and the factories and America was a dynamic frontier society despite the similarily crushing misery of the pits and factories and the very placed Roosevelt had to visit when active in NYC to get all up in arms about.
>Normans
Yea I referred to the Norman yoke school of thought, which is how many of the revolutionaries thought when proudly asserting their Englishness despite fighting the King

>>217760689
Right but he’s often portrayed in an endearing way, almost an antihero. Like when Trixie swears by him or he protects Jewel or he serves as something of a patriarch for the camp. All not in history, just fiction.

>>217760825
Season 1 was just a comfy average western, the next seasons were so much more ramped up the energy was unlike any other western, or any other show really

>>217760851
Most of that is unironically blackpill shit repeated by clueless teens. Things aren’t exactly better than they were post WWII economic boom but pretending like every young man was just loaded with cash and super prosperous until 15 years ago is a lie. Plenty of times of economic despair and difficulty in the 70s, 80s, 2000s. Only real extended time of relative prosperity in recent times was probably the 90s. It also depends a lot on where you live in America. In terms of economic opportunity though it still reigns supreme over most places in the world including Yurop. The typical salary for my job in somewhere like France or Germany is legitimately just over half of what it is in the US, not to mention the much higher tax rate. Europe’s entire model has been welfare and decent quality of life for bottom feeders and people of low accomplishment at the expense of anyone even above average being able to make really good money.

>>217760710
I might be missing the point of Jane in the show because she just seemed like a retarded alcoholic other than a few nice moments with kids. Skimming her history it seems to me she was probably done dirty by the show.

>>217755688
Season 2 is a gigantic drop in quality.

>>217761028
>It also depends a lot on where you live in America
Any recommendations?

>>217760731
>all these buzzwords
Trying too hard award. I’m just surprised you can afford internet, Cletus

>>217756655
based character and great actor. Hilarious.
>August commencement to my administration, standing stymied outside a saloon next to a degenerate tit-licker.

>>217756655
> Electors of the camp, as to who should serve as Mayor reasonable men may differ, but as to who should be Sheriff we all ought speak with one voice and our words should be turn out the maniac Bullock, who set upon the Mayor unprovoked, who beat him with merciless protraction. Bulllock should be murdered! We should rise up and murder Bullock! Thank you very much

>>217761028
The European cope is usually 1) grocery prices/overall food of quality and 2) if you stub your toe you will be bankrupt.

To play the role of centrist cuck for a moment, I can see what is highly appealing in the USA to Euros and what is appealing in Europe to Americans. It's a matter of trade offs, and, after all, we're all unified by the existential demographic crisis we face

>>217760851
For successful people absolutely. The US has always been a meritocracy and still is today. If you’re high IQ and productive there are few places better to be. Salaries are high, taxes are low, and property is reasonably priced. If you’re low IQ and unproductive? You’d be far better off neeting in Europe. If somewhere in between, the truth is somewhere in between.

What the US always has and always will be exceptional in is space. Three countries are basically tied for highest living space: Canada, Australia and the US. Among those, housing costs a fortune in Canada and Australia compared to the US. So if you want a cabin in the woods or a nice suburban house with plenty of rooms to raise a family in, the US is ideal. If you want to be childfree in a big city, the US has options but many cities in Europe are probably better.

>>217760891
Could be it but I don’t know enough about their history and who filled out that island. I do know that culture tends to be very conservative as people who arrive conform to the culture, not the other way around. New York City for instance is almost identical to how it was in 1640: dickloads of languages and commerce-focused.

>>217761097
Depends on what you’re looking for. Easiest things to go by are demographics and to avoid very dense urban areas, at least to live in. Suburbs of midsize cities are probably the best places to live still with a good mix of society and open space/being affordable. California, New York are for vacations.

>>217761115
I find the sneering pissing contests among Anglosphere nations especially weird. I met a Canadian guy and we gradually realised we were both redpilled and I hit it off with him far better than I would for scores of my countrymen in Bongistan. A redpilled some Texan will hit it off more with me than one of the lunatics running around Minnesota right now (and we'll say the Texan and tranny are both ethnically Anglo or something). What use is there in having an pissing contest about who is more cucked and then proceeding to gloat?

>>217761155
The show Mr Inbetween made Australia look quite comfy. Like this strange mix between old working class UK culture and the American frontier

>>217761115
Yea the grocery price thing is funny to me. If Europeans had to pay any more for food than they already do half of them would be homeless. The expectation is you rent a tiny flat and scrape by knowing that there is the “comfort” that your life wouldn’t change much if you lost your job or something, which to me just makes me wonder why anyone even bothers working for the most part.

>>217761274
>which to me just makes me wonder why anyone even bothers working for the most part.
The taxes, wages, shit job market (here in the UK we are still religious with DEI/EDI), the housing market, existential angst over demographics. Totally kills any ambition and fire in young men. I remember once wondering about American/European job market differences and I did, I must admit, read a reddit thread and one of the American posters was referring to the Netherlands and stating that sometimes he basically had to marvel at the quality of bright young people stuck in these shit roles.

If ever there is some great reversal for the Anglosphere and Europe, historians, sociologists, psychologists, etc. (unshackled from the current paradigm because the new one this hypothetical will be what we call the redpill) are going to have a fucking field day in producing literature analysing what the fuck happened to us all since WWII (perhaps even WWI)

>>217755688
My favorite show. Wish the movie was better though.

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>>217755688
That's not Lovejoy tho

>>217760977
I see what you mean although they were the two most industrialized nations in the world so I just can’t use the word quaint to describe them.

He is not a good man but he has a code and keeps Deadwood from turning into hell.

>>217761024
I haven’t watched many westerns but I don’t see quite a divide between seasons 1 and 2. The main difference was Yankton faggotry and Hearst meddling.

>>217756655
also
>Could you have been born, Richardson? And not egg-hatched as I've always assumed

>>217761466
>"Bullock's trying to kill the mayor"
>immediately rush into action without so much as a puzzled pause over such a claim

>>217761115
Healthcare differences are a real thing. I just quit my job and am probably going to not purchase health insurance individually because I just don’t think it would be worth it. But if something catastrophic happens I’m fucked.

On the other hand, the US system does have advantages. Wait time is virtually zero for the vast majority of services.

I've seen this show 6 or 7 times and can't watch it again. Al Swearengan is literally just a drama queen. All he does is fret and whine and the people around him inexplicably placate his emotionality. All he does is have emotional responses to ambiguous information. The only based character in the show is the lackey whore slaying serial killer.

>>217761097
Depends on your tastes. What are you looking for? The US has very diverse weather in different reasons. The political culture is also very different in different regions. Demographics of course. Also cost of living and salary.

>>217761448
The difference was they sharpened the technicalities of the show as it went on

>>217761274
>The expectation is you rent a tiny flat and scrape by knowing that there is the “comfort” that your life wouldn’t change much if you lost your job or something
This is extremely appealing to two groups of people (which often overlap): people in their 20s and poor people. If you’re poor or in your 20s, you’re likely better off in Europe, where you’ll always have healthcare and cheap college. But once you reach your 30s and have some skills, you’d probably rather have a high salary and a house, and the hustle and bustle of the big city might be less appealing. Poors in Europe might have a better time, but in America they’d have air conditioning and maybe even a house.

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This fucker right here in pic related was such a weird but brutal addition that felt so true to how it was back then.
Rich fuck coming in a trying to control everything in sight like it was his/their god given right. The terror and hatred he spawned in all characters is still maybe my favourite villainous trait that any other villain could ever have, other than maybe Gary Oldman in Leon.

>>217761344
>stating that sometimes he basically had to marvel at the quality of bright young people stuck in these shit roles
This is a fascinating phenomenon. I noticed something similar in Poland too. TONS of people working in the factory I was building, far more than there would be in America since they’re so cheap, and I’m sure they were well-educated. I know Poland is not the Netherlands but the “smart people in shit jobs” sounded familiar to me.

I wonder if Europe’s focus on education doesn’t backfire somewhat. If everyone is smart and has a degree, is that actually good for the economy? Why would someone build a factory in a place where few people are interested in that kind of work? Also with the economic regulations and taxes, salaries are lower for these people anyway.

>>217761579
Meaning what, politics?

>>217761499
This is how you know ChatGPT is USA based. It talks about US and America.

>>217761696
Completely bulletproof (until the fan service in the movie). Swedgin and Cy were built up to be these great villains in S1 and suddenly they’re powerless. It’s scary.

>>217761735
100%.
Like other anon said above, he is so powerful and vile it gave Cy a fucking existential crisis. Well that plus the getting shot, but the timing is to perfect to Cy's personal power struggle in the camp, especially after losing Josey to her own brothel.

>>217761697
The situation with degrees is a total farce. I had this totally mirthless laugh when I found out that nurses suddenly required degrees (my grandmother having been the head nurse at a hospital in a notable UK city). And this shit has tied into this sort of mass snobbery over regular humble jobs (that we've now outsourced to foreigners) that people used to have and build nice lives with. Know about The Snowman? Farily famous children's book and television adaption. Written and illustrated by Raymond Briggs. Well, Mr Briggs and his family history was documented in his memoir Ethel & Ernest. He, his father, and his mother all lived in a nice neighbourhood in Wimbledon - terraced housing, yes, but comfortable neighbourhood and good place to raise a family. This household was single income for the most part, and Ernest was a fucking milkman. Totally fucking unthinkable nowadays.

>>217761847
Don’t overemphasize local policy for that change though. The golden age of capitalism (1945-1973) was largely a result of the US, the European great powers and Japan having very little competition and cheap resources from the third world. There were no policies that could have been set where that lasted forever. The Arab states were always going to get greater control of their oil and use it against the west. China and other poor countries were always going to rise somewhat and become great places for outsourcing. And after the Civil Rights movement, race-based immigration was always going to end, opening the floodgates for cheap labor that would underbid the lower classes.

>>217761711
No like the editing, shots, you know the nerd shit like that

>>217755859
Thanks for remind me nigga, I can still hear the screams.

>>217755859
>Al, I gotta cut through your gooch

>>217760183
England still has ok Human Capital, but they started from such highs relative the the rest of the world. WWI was arguably worse for England than brain drain to the colonies. They are still are better than most countries on earth.

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>>217760430
>There is something unique about Americans though
The Scots Irish stubbornness tempered the libtardedness of the middle class Puritans. America would have collapse in the early 18th century if not for Andrew Jackson being America's first Caesar. Migration to the colonies was actually very selective. Not just any retard in England could hop on a ship and come to America. You needed a sponsor and to be part of an official settlement. My family came over with the Connecticut Colony led by Thomas Hooker.

Reminder that the US civil war was just an extension of the English civil war.

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He's literally me

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>The attack on my life by Sherrif Bullock has left me scarred and deformed...
>BUT I ASSURE YOU.
>MY RESOLVE HAS NEVER BEEN STRONGER.

>>217763483
Steve trying to outwit the Nigger General and subsequently trying to outwit his horse because he's a clingy girlfriend is peak Deadwood. It's a shame it ended so fast.

>>217760430
What makes an immigrant? Is it because it flees something or because it has immagination? I mean my fucking god, nowadays, immigrants are just leeches. They're not looking for a better spiritual life. Nobody has ever thought

>Hey, that's Europe, this is where I will become a better person.

I mean, I'm just trying to say I'm very racist. Even racism used to be better. I hate everyone in Europe, but now there's brown ones too. With their funky hats and carpets. They rape too, you know? Look down on you for consuming alcohol.

>>217763575
Hostetler shooting himself because he'd had enough was a bit ridiculous though

>>217763565
>Delegates, as to who should serve as Chancellor reasonable humanoids may differ, but as to who should be Protectors of the Republic we all ought to speak with one voice, and our words should be: Turn out the maniac Jedi! Who set upon the Chancellor unprovoked, who burnt him with merciless protraction! The Jedi should be murdered! We should rise up and murder the Jedi! Thank you very much.

>>217760430
You're all currently cucking to a cabal of pedophiles and kikes. For all your "don't tread on me" bullshit and walmart guns you are still sat at home, paying taxes to pedophiles. Anglos have the excuse of already being defanged, whereas you're just indolent and sedentary, addicted to your goyslop soma

>>217763707
Your prophet literally was a pedophile.

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>>217763617
Hostetler was already depressed, Steve's bullying was just the straw that broke the camel's back. He lived in constant fear that his fellow white people would lynch him for no good reason, and Steve was just proof his fears were merited. So if he was going to die anyway, he was going out on his own terms. The guy bent over backwards to appease Steve, and was harassed to the point that Steve was just making shit up by the end of it. He just wanted to be left the fuck alone, and Steve being unable to show an ounce of respect was forewarning for all the shit Hostetler would have to deal with for the rest of his life. But even when he's driven over the edge and no longer believes he has anything to lose, he still choses to kill himself instead of Steve, because Hostetler really just was a nice guy. Hence why Steve spends the rest of HIS life being haunted by his regret, and we circle back to the core message of the show:
>The eye can not say unto the hand "I have no need of thee".
>Nor the head to the feet "I have no need of thee".
>They much more those members of the body which seem more feeble
>And those members of the body which we think of as less honourable
>All are necessary
>There should be no schism in the body but that the members should have the same care one to another
>And whether one member suffers
>All the members suffer with it
Jew or gentile, bond or free.

>>217762719
Anything in this book about the Welsh?

>>217762191
I either didn’t notice that or don’t remember it.

>>217755715
>Boring piece of shit show
This means you are clinically retarded.

>>217755715
extremely low t seeps through this post

>>217763626
Lmfao. Pottery

>>217763983
The Welsh settled in the same areas at Midlands English Quakers, so the Delaware Valley and parts of Pennsylvania. That's why there's a town named Bryn Mawr in Pennsylvania. There isn't really a traditional "Welsh" population in the US like the Scots-Irish or WASPs as they interbred early on with the English Quakers.

>>217760689

>Season 1
>Al murders any liability or loose end that could pose even a hint of a threat to him
>Bullock beats the fuck out of anyone that triggers his temper (almost everyone)

>Season 3
>Hearst shows up to camp and starts fucking with everyone
>Bullock and Al's idea to counter him is a strongly written letter in the newspaper

I know he was a historical figure who succeeded in deadwood,but i wish they didn't cuck the main characters to realize it.

>>217755688
le steretypical evil capitalist who plays both sides becaue he has no loyalty to anyone

>>217755688
He was an entertaining bastard, only show I've seen that I wish would continue for a couple of seasons more

>>217755688
He carried the show. Unfortunately the rest of it is so boring and forgettable or just straight unlikeable that no matter how great Swearengen was I can never really bring myself to watch it again.

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>>217755688
This shit was boring as fuck.
>>217755715
Thank you. FPBP.

The only people who love this show suck cock by choice.

>>217766050
>>217765968
>>217765941
How many times you gonna try to convince everyone this kino is bad, we get it gay boy

how many cocks must one suck to enjoy this show

>>217766379
Ask >>217766162

>>217766379
Cocksucker!

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KWAB even though I like Ricky Jay

>>217755688
I think its also fair to say that the characters from his core of the show: E.B, Dan, Johny, Adams, Trixie, and Jewel, complement him very well.

>>217767152
Whats that from?

>>217767286
The Deadwood Bible

>>217755859
Legitimately probably the most uncomfortable a show/movie has made me feel.

>>217760691
Tony, based? He was a digusting slob nepo baby with the impulse control of a ghetto black. Cringe as fuck.

>>217756655
Gopher faced merchant, I'd rather provision with the fucking Sioux

why is this thread full of retarded yanks? the british empire hadn't even reached its peak by the time the americans rebelled, not by a long shot. yet all the strong englishmen had left 100 years prior to even that?

>>217756541
The problem with the movie is that Milch started writing it in 2015, and he got diagnosed with Alzheimer’s. In that time frame, it got worse, and in 2017 Powers Boothe (Cy Tolliver) died so they had to rewrite the story. In the end it’s a repeat of Season 3.

>>217755715
use the backdoor next time ya hooplehead.

>>217759308
There’s an actor on the show who had a death scene and they refused to do it. Jim Beaver confirmed it. It was either Ricky Jay or the actor who played Odell.

Imagine how fucking awesome it would feel to have Al talk about you and say, "He's all right."

>>217755715
>>217765968
>t. individuals who suck cock by choice

>>217755688
Based. Im also watching through season one for the first time.
That guy is a real mean bastard. But a really compelling character.

>>217760457
The show definitely meandered hard in the later episodes. They didn't seem to have much of a plan and the show is worse off for it. Brian Cox in the end did kinda convince Hearst to live the town though.

>>217756655
What a weasel. I hate him

>>217755715
People are hating on this post but it's true. The show has some incredibly dialogue and spends several seasons teasing you that it is going somewhere but you reach the end and realize it amounted to a whole lot of nothing. The fucking actors in season 3 are a complete waste of time, the more things moved away from Al and the sheriff the shittier the show became.

>>217763925
Absolute Fucking Kino

>>217760599
He was a real guy? Fuck this show is cool

>>217761028
And yet those "bottom feeders" will have a better quality of life and more disposable income than you with your "above average" salary, because it isn't just welfare it's everything. Education, arts & culture, public safety(hint: if you're about to regurgitate one of Elon's turds about a bong civil war or whatever, know that you're being laughed at endlessly), public transit(which, when functional and effective unlike yours, clears dozens and dozens of cars off the road for every one fnar fnar I won't breathe the same air as the poors fnar faggot who insists on driving anyway, meaning it's still to their benefit even if they never set foot on a tram), food that isn't dripping with goychems and cornsyrup slurries, and a distinctly lower number of national political leaders who're senile and/or massive fucking pedos.

And healthcare.

Honestly it's just sad watching you losers convince yourselves that working into an early grave for Mr Globenhomostein so you can pay his cousin inflated rent for your shithole "house" made of sticks and paper, and service your massive auto payments, and pay the extra fees to process the additional payments on top of the monthly tithe you pay to be denied the healthcare you need on a technicality is um heckin BASED actually and all us yuropoors are just totally jealous of liek your freedoms and whatever.

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>>217765511
Arguably, its the natural progression of their characters. When Bullock beats the widows father in the casino you can legitimately tell he believes he went too far, and Al is slowly showcasing a moral core in juxtaposition to Cy being the devil.

Also the reality if they did anything to Hearst they would be dead men with the town burning

>>217769444
Hearst spent a bunch of time with one (1) guy guarding him and a bunch more time standing around on a balcony in a town where every third guy has a rifle and hunting experience.

>>217769370
Pretty much every character is based on a real person except Alma Garret who Milch invented because he wanted to have a female character that wasn't a whore or drunk. That guy that sells soap with a prize inside was real, the guy who got shot in the arm and wants to tell his story during the trial so there's a record went around and told the story of getting shot by the bullet that killed wild bill as an act.
Even Brian Cox's weird actor/cowboy schtick was a real guy.

>>217769547
That's amazing. This is my favorite part about any period piece. When the wrap in real character and things about the time so i can actually learn something real related to the thing im already interested in.

>>217761098
you're still a fag.

>>217769338
>the more things moved away from Al and the sheriff the shittier the show became.
This part of your post is true, incidentally. The other parts, complete nonsense. >muh plot payoff.

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>>217755859
Bros you don’t think that could happen to us as well..right?

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SAAAAR PLEASE POST THE NEEDEFUL!

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>>217760639
Behind the priest?

>>217763617
Entirely reasonable.
He was a classic introverted autist with a job avoiding people, constantly irritated by the yappy Nigger General, trying to avoid being noticed or spoken to by anyone else, only wanting to interact with people via his work which he was a perfectionist with. His work was controllable and comprehensible to him, as opposed to socialising with people.
And this immovable autist met the irresistible force of the retard Steve who just bombarded him with bafflingly retarded shit. But Steve hounding him over being professionally incompetent was just too much for Hostetler, it was the one way he could interact with humans and he thought Steve was using his magic neurotypical powers to ruin that too.

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>>217755688
Speaking of western TV shows, how is Hell on Wheels?

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>>217765511
I always liked the "barely keeping the lid on his anger" autistic energy Bullock had. He's also almost stoic that seeing him actually emote was always funny.

>>217761028
>>217761115
Euroland system works when your country is generally homogenous on some level with people feeling civic responsibility to chip in knowing they'll get what they need from the system. It does not work when you import boatloads of immigrants just interested in freeloading from that very same system. Contrary to what people think, money actually has to come from somewhere.

>>217765511
If I told you to go fuck yourself would you put that down to drunkenness or a high estimate of your athletic abilities?

>>217770733
It could but we can just go to hospital and get the stones sonic waved away without suffering a brain aneurysm

>>217765511
because they're just nobodies in the fucking territories and hearst could actually bring the pinkertons on them leveling all out of deadwood. like al says, it's the dangers of civilization where you can't solve a problem by simply slitting someone throat in the nigh.t

>>217772130
>gets five seasons

>>217772202
>It does not work when you import boatloads of immigrants just interested in freeloading from that very same system.
That's why the systems are bursting at the seams now.

>>217764865
It's always interested me a bit as someone of exclusively Welsh ancestry. Something like 95% President have some Welsh in them even if mostly Anglo, Scot-Irish, etc. I feel like any line would have been blurred further by the fact that by the time N. America was settled, the Welsh were legally full fledged subjects of England, so I'm not sure if the census info would differentiate

>>217772130
starts off ok goes really shit really fast
like you wont be able to finish the first season even though you want to like it because of chief o brien and christopher heyerdahl and dominique mcelligot but its just too gay

>>217772170
Bullock is a fun character because at first you think he's going to be a standard stoic, law-abiding, just and honourable man because of that opening scene but then it becomes quickly apparent that he's fucking full of barely contained rage and regularly snaps and beats the shit out of anyone he doesn't like as his first response, some of it being justified (e.g., Alma's father) but some of it being unfair (E.B).
It's a nice subversion of tropes while still keeping hm as overall a good person, especially when he stands up to violent mobs to stop lynchings.

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Just finished the series a few days ago
Legitimately the best American TV drama I've ever seen and nothing even comes close. I've seen all the big prestige dramas like The Wire, Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Rome, etc., but fuck me, Deadwood just crushes the rest of them if purely based on how magnificent the writing is. Almost every single line, of all 36 episodes, feels so carefully constructed and paced. I've never seen dialogue like this and expect I never will again.
Even at its worst (a decent chunk of season 3) it's still lightyears ahead of even its most respectable rivals.

>>217772241
This
This is what people that criticise the Hurst arc don't understand. Hurst wasn't just some asshole rival brothel-owner like Cy, he represented and was backed up by the powers that be in the US at this time - the industrialists with all of their political connections and ability to hire the Pinkertons like his own private merc army. They literally had John Langrishe spell it out for the dumb audience: if they kill him, his shareholders will just send someone else exactly like him.
It's like people forget history: in real life, the men like Hurst are the people that "won" - they successfully tamed the final lawless/independent parts of the West and incorporated it all into the system of industry and capital from back east.

>>217765511
I disagree that the problem is how he handled Hurst (he was right that there was no real way he could defeat Hurst considering his immense power) but I do agree in the sense that they whitewashed Swearengen because he's basically a teddybear that does nothing bad in seasons 2-3 compared to how vicious and nasty he is in season 1. I think they let the popularity of the character get to them so they watered him down. Essentially the opposite of how David Chase handled Tony Soprano.
Only exception to this is the finale where he really does became pretty fucking evil again.

>>217763565
EB was a loser and pathetic but i kind of felt bad for him here because he really didn't do anything to deserve it compared to actually evil people in the camp (including Swearengen).

>>217761696
Season 3 is pretty weak compared to the previous seasons (especially god-tier season 1) but this motherfucker single-handedly elevated it to still being amazing television and is arguably the single best villain in TV history.
>>217761735
Yeah I love this aspect of him. It's both historically accurate (not to him specifically, IRL he was pretty chill and decent) but in the sense that there was simply no stopping the forces of industry and capital from the east, as well as being exciting from a storytelling perspective because it completely shatters the status quo and sends every character into a panic. And they did an amazing job of building him up, like basically all of season 2 is hyping him up as this scary imposing force, and he absolutely justifies it when he finally rides into town at the end. The best example of "the true final boss shows up to make the others look weak in comparison" I've seen on-screen.
>>217761827
I don't think Cy was affected by his "evilness" (the only time he was disturbed by another person's acts was when he saw what Wolcott did to the whores) but it definitely completely fucked him up to feel so weak and used by him.

>>217761077
Yeah I agree.
I was pretty shocked because I recently watched the series in a under a month for the first time - season 1 is probably the single best season of TV I've ever seen, every episode was excellent and there was not a single weak moment in the entire 12 episodes. But season 2 immediately starts on a very weak note and feels genuinely dumbed down in a way that saeson 2 never was. It recovers quite a bit when Wolcott shows up (one of the all-time best Deadwood characters) but the show jsut lost its edge and rawness and pitch-perfect writing that it had in season 1. Still overall damn good though.
Season 3 is a massive drop in quality and is only good because of one character (Hurst).
Realistically, should have just been a single-season thing.

Sometimes I watch reaction channels for my favorite shows and movies (because I'm retarded) and it's actually incredible how absolutely none of them can comprehend what is happening with the reverent. Either literally sub-80 IQ who has never seen a seriously ill man before or some bitch with no empathy whatsoever.

>>217772991
I've seen dozens of reactions to the finale of season 1 and not a single one of them could understand what Doc was yelling about. Most of them were americans too. It's like watching a WW2 film and asking who "that guy Hitler" might be lol.

>>217772991
I have a friend like that. If we discuss a show he'll often bring up an emotional scene like S1 Doc vs Dority and ask something along the lines of "Why did he break down crying, why didn't he just shoot Dority?" and it's all I can do to not break down crying myself.
>"It was an emotional moment for them, Anon." you fucking sociopath
He never got past season 1. I don't try to encourage him differently.

>>217773034
Grim.

>>217772771
>Legitimately the best American TV drama I've ever seen and nothing even comes close. I've seen all the big prestige dramas like The Wire, Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Rome, etc., but fuck me, Deadwood just crushes the rest of them if purely based on how magnificent the writing is.
I have Sopranos 1A and Deadwood 1B.

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>>217773034
How is this possible? The show literally explains what is happening to him, from multiple characters.
On a side note, ignoring those retards, the Reverand's story and particularly its ending is the only moment of TV that's genuinely hit me hard "in the feels" and was hard to watch. It stands out especially because of how Deadwood is usually an extremely blunt, unsentimental and dark show, but he was the strongest spark of true humanity (aside from maybe the Doc) and his sickness was so fucking hard to watch. It was the first time we saw Swearengen show a bit of humanity too, back before the show whitewashed him. That bit where he mentions how his brother had epilipsy too was nice.
The conclusion where Doc cries and begs for God to take the Reverand, not realising that Al had just mercy-killed him, hits so fucking hard, damn. Absolutely magnificent season of television and especially its finale.

>>217772893
It was a profound ass beating, or face beating, in any event.

General reminder that if HBO hadn't cut the tendons of the show, then we would have gotten to see EB's conspiracy to get revenge on Hearst in full fury
>And I'm the kind of cunt, you'll let close
But we are lucky in a way, we were left wanting more.

>>217773458
I don't see what he could have done because (1) Heart was a real person and historically did not die or was even harmed in Deadwood IRL, and (2) he left at the end of season 3 and had no interest in returning to Deadwood. To me his "revenge" was simply allowing Trixie to go upstairs to shoot him. That seems about the extent of what he could realistically do.
But I absolutely did wait the entire series expecting to see a crazy EB crashout from all the humiliation and insults he received, and was very disappointed we didn't get anything.

>>217769396
Kek, cringe yurocope. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Didn’t even read past the first sentence.

>>217773481
Most likely they'd continue the alternate history trend into a conflict that was either not recorded (or intentionally covered up) and conclude Season 4 with a similar outcome but with different overtones to it (the burning of Deadwood). Even if all the core events are the same, EB having a more intentional part in the attempted killing of Hearst would make a lot of sense scriptwise. Especially since we know he have his "I will hold the ladder" speech from season 1. Him planning the murder and presenting it as a package to the Deadwood gang would be a good culmination of his character. I would at least liked it, but mostly I'm upset they got a dwarf cowboy and we never got to see him in action.

>>217772771
I was shocked at how good it was, never watched it while it was airing, decided to watch it all the way through when I had covid a couple years ago. I always thought it was an edgy boring hbo western and only knew the swearengen actor was good. Turns out it quietly mogs every tv show, the amount of soul put into it is incredible

>>217755813
>3
what the fuck are you talking about

>>217756655
>Quagmire of piss and bullshit

>>217756723
Yeah Bullock's a great character
Milch or someone said in an interview that Bullock's father used to beat him (character, not real man) and he
>wakes up every day wishing he could kill his father
or something, which is why he's so angry. They never quite spell this out on the show.
Milch or someone also said Wolcott was abused by his mother. Actually when you look for it pretty much all the main characters are canonically abused as children and still upset about it, it's a major part of the show that they leave mostly unstated for some reason.

>>217758523
Friend of mine thought it was cancelled as a result of a conspiracy by the Hearst family after they besmirched George Hearst's good name

>>217760386
Just ignorant Americans gargling their own marbles, not realising that the blood of Numenor is all but spent the whole world over

>>217756017
>kills innocent girl (who is hotter than trixie) to save trixie
>trixie fucks it up by forcing a confrontation anyway

>>217760457
Season 3 is pure capeshit and a huge drop in quality, all involved should be ashamed
>>217760470
Also because Olyphant clearly struggled with some of the longer lines
>>217760599
Since it's 4chan I suppose someone ought to point out that the show, written by Jews, elevates the local pimp gangster to community/historical primacy; also depicts the town ahistorically with zero churches and a single preacher who commands almost no respect

>>217774228
It was strange how little religious presence there is given it would have been 90%+ devout Christian even rough and tumble frontiersmen types. They make a point of having Al call out the one jew that comes into town and reference it yet there is no actual church and the one reverend is a brain damaged schizo. They did present the townspeople as knowing all the hymns when they were burying dead which is about as close as it gets.

>>217760633
Pictured is Eddie Sawyer, not Hearst
The show always struggled to find something for Cy et al to do, although he improves on repeat viewing
>>217760648
town burns down
set up repeatedly (e.g. fire marshall scenes)
>>217760689
He starts out that way but they polish him up until he's a fucking Redditor by season 3
>>217760712
lmao
>>217760790
I never quite understood this. They've been with Cy for 20 years but they don't know he's a murderer? Cy's never made them watch a murder before, why's he starting now?
Only reasonable explanation is that Cy's a bit fucking mental, which fits pretty well but is a little boring
>>217760825
Season 1 is great but uneven, takes time to find itself
Season 2 is close to perfect although woke gayness is starting to creep in
Season 3 is capeshit, awful

>>217760891
Most migrants to Australia were neither convicts nor guards, just free settlers like in America
And thec rown transported prisoners to America too

>>217761405
Did you ever notice that George pitches Lovejoy's premise to Jerry when they're trying to write a sitcom?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjkyGkfgdeM

>>217761696
He was well-written in season 2 and completely ridiculous in season 3
This captain of industry is personally having people murdered and almost rapes a woman? He's a comic-book villain, ridiculous, awful, nonsense from people who believe propaganda about "robber barons"

>>217763483
Perhaps the worst plotline in the show

>>217763925
No, they just gradually let their inner libtards loose until the show began to suck
>racist is cartoonishly unreasonable, fucks horses, and gets his brutal comeuppance

>>217774264
I believe it's a historical fact that Deadwood at this time had like three churches, which would have been quite normal even for frontier towns: a church would've been one of the first things they built (and a Masonic lodge)
And yet ironically it's one of the most Christian shows around, vividly demonstrating the ideas in the Corinthians excerpt: God in this case moving through Hollywood Jews

>>217774284
>season 3 is capeshit
Yeah but it’s capeshit done right, kinda like 90s sci fi

>>217774376
I agree he got a little silly in season 3, but it was almost worth it for that one scene where he's genuinely introspective about how inhuman he's become.
>Now I can only stand the company of negroes, or whites who obey me like dogs.

Hearst did nothing wrong. The color be needin' to be extracted. Extracted by someone who ain't a low account hoopplehead.

>>217773481
>But, but, they can't just make stuff up on a TV show!

Come on man.

>>217769195
The counterfactual argument would be that the British Empire would have been even stronger and peaked higher if all the good Englishmen had stayed.

>>217760470
He was Gay, Timmy Elephant?

>>217755688
Deadwood is good the first time around, but upon rewatches you start to get annoyed by how over-written every character is. It loses novelty and charm really fast. I still adore guys like Grima Wormtongue every scene he is in but, you know.

I might be the only person in the world that watched Luck

>>217774392
the drunk actor gave a good performance though

>>217759308
did that guy have a prosthetic chin

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>>217755859
Weak mf, I tanked that shit twice