>>217769678
It's boring as fuck and only werhaboos pretend this dogshit is of interest
G*rms cannot create

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>>217769678
You lost Nazi

>>217769688
Wagner is one of the most influential composers of all time. The only ones that are more influential are also German. Beethoven probably. Bach. Mozart. The Ring also obviously inspired Tolkien (despite him denying it), and you can't hate Tolkien.
>it's boring
You probably watched it without a translation.

Ironically, it wouldn't even be that astronomically expensive. Maybe if Germany gets it shit together, there will be a state funded version that's actually great. Not expecting it to happen anytime soon, to be honest.

>>217769705
Does liking Wagner make you a Nazi now or what? Are we going to pretend that one of the most influential artists of the 19th century just didn't exist?

>>217769678
リング?

>>217769678
This guy is incredibly based. Jewish Bernard Herrmann copied his stuff so much that Wop Scorshitty hired him again.

>>217769793
NatSoc types idolize him excessively, that much is true.

>>217769793
This dude is revolutionary, after all that court stuff made for elites, he was doing blockbuster for a bigger crowd.

>>217769834
This is purely about music. Surely he'd hate a lot of ppl on /tv/ if he met them.

IDK how you'd dramatize his biopic in an interesting way. "Can genius coexist w/ ~bigotry?" "Was he the only type of bigot of his time(s)"? Ofc, the ppl criticizing him avail themselves to all sorts of bigotry (double standards), only they tell themselves it ain't so.

>>217769836
>he was doing blockbuster for a bigger crowd.
AND pushing the limits of music
>>217769834
>excessively
Dude he just about singlehandedly spearheaded half a century of classical music and the entire history of film music. You cannot tell the story of Western art without Wagner, and you're telling me Nazis like him too much? The left wing's artistic heroes are what? Nothing close to Wagner.

>>217769872
Admittedly, I'm entirely clueless about music theory, but Wagner genuinely does nothing for me.

>>217769899
...how? I understand that opera can be inaccessible; finding a good video recording, having to read subtitles. But there's no denying Wagner's genius if you just listen to his instrumental music.
https://youtu.be/AgXFefwAVcw

>>217769935
Okay. I know that piece. That's kind of the problem, though. Five minute snippets aren't the same as his 4h operas. Try sitting down for one of those. It's dreary. 90% or more feel empty. It might not matter when you have a full opera production surrounding it, but only the music is a no no for me.

>>217769986
>I tried to listen to opera on its own with no context
Well there's your fucking problem. Of course it's going to be boring. There's supposed to be a story, dialogue, and visuals to keep you interested. It's like complaining that a movie soundtrack doesn't make for a good symphony.

>>217770009
>It's like complaining that a movie soundtrack doesn't make for a good symphony
Some of them do.

>>217770021
An entire movie soundtrack? Snippets, sure, but you'd have to be insane to listen to an entire 2 hour long movie soundtrack on its own, complete with dead noise. At least without having seen the movie beforehand. It's the same way with opera. Watch a movie version or a recording with subtitles. You will never enjoy a full opera without watching it and following the story.

>>217770043
>An entire movie soundtrack?
The full score at least.

>>217770087
The point being: don't listen to opera. Watch it. With a translation. Unless you speak German. And then maybe listen to your favorite moments. Unless you don't want to.

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why did nazis like this jew

>>217769678
Is the story of his operas good? I understand it's only Norse/German mythology. If the story is flat, I'm afraid a kino soundtrack can't save the film

>>217769678
When hell freezes over. It wouldn't be worth it without jamming in the music in the most inelegant way possible.

>>217770312
Wagner was so praised because he joined Shakespearean quality drama with Beethoven quality music. Epic, grand, and highly dramatic, I'd check them out if you're interested in that kind of thing, even beyond the Ring cycle.

>>217769793
Wagner is antisemitic

>>217770312
Only the Ring cycle is about German mythology. Wagner wrote plenty of other stuff.

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>>217769678
>When are we getting a full-scale cinematic adaptation of the Ring Cycle?
Where the fuck do you people find this ancient lost-generation-type boomer shit? The answer to your question is never because nobody has heard of this shit.

>>217771082
People know who Wagner is.
You're just uncultured.

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>>217769678
>The emotions that are stirred by the cinematic realization of Tolkien’s rambling story are a faint echo of what would be felt, were The Ring to be performed as Wagner intended, with every single stage direction realistically obeyed. This would be the film to end all films, the Gotterdammerung of our modern era, in which Wagner’s moral would be apparent even to the unmusical. And almost certainly it would be banned.

>>217769986
To musically refined individuals an entire Wagner opera is riveting music from the first note to the last.

>>217770021
Movie soundtracks are without exception slop and only have value in conjunction with cinematic visuals. If you listen to them on their own you have brain damage.

>>217771560
>To musically refined individuals an entire Wagner opera is riveting music from the first note to the last.
Holy shit. Take that tampon out of your asshole, faggot!

>>217771560
Prokofiev did a pretty good job on Alexander Nevsky.

>>217771082
anon... the ring cycle is one of the greatest cultural artifacts created by the western world... how do you not know about it?

Any new Wagner adaptation by Western culture will make Rings of Power look nostalgic by comparison.

>>217771483
tsmt

>>217769678
Imagine the kino of this music with cinematic visuals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjVbF62fSKk

>>217769678
>directed by Denis Villeneuve

>>217769678
Is that you John Wayne?

>>217769708
I was also 19 once

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>>217769793
By today's toddlers-level political discourse, yes. I still remember an episode of some detective show where they figured out someone was the bad guy just because he liked to play the Axis in the Axis & Allies tabletop game.

>>217772573
Worse
>directed by Christopher Nolan

>>217769708
Tolkien wasn't inspired by the opera lmao.

>>217770928
Yes. Wagner was awesome. Hitler loved him. Somewhat apocryphal, but he's said to have stated “Anyone who wants to understand National Socialist Germany must know Wagner.”

>>217773014
Nothing he said was wrong.

>>217769793
Go to the symphony on a night where they play wagner and they'll have disclaimers in the programs about how he was an awful person

>>217773282
Yes he was. When will you retarded Tolkien drones learn? Every single time this is brought up the argument goes the same way. They claim that Tolkien was influenced by the same sources as Wagner and not Wagner himself, then it is pointed out that the similarities aren't to be found in the sources but are to be found in Wagner, and that Tolkien engaged in a study of the Ring with C.S. Lewis years before writing LoTR. If you want to have an opinion on this matter you have to be familiar with three things: Tolkien, medieval sources and Wagner. At best Tolkien fans are only ever familiar with two of those things, so they're just not fit to give their opinions on the subject.

>>217773480
>They claim that Tolkien was influenced by the same sources as Wagner and not Wagner himself, then it is pointed out that the similarities aren't to be found in the sources but are to be found in Wagner
Elucidate.

>>217773747
There's a whole bunch of resemblances, but the most obvious, and perhaps the most undeniable, is the ring itself. In no medieval saga or myth is there an all-powerful ring created by an evil lord with the entire plot hanging on that evil lord trying to find his all-powerful ring which can only be destroyed by returning it to its source. Alberich literally curses it with the words 'the lord of the ring as the slave of the ring'.

>>217769793
No, but being a Nazi makes you like Wagner

>>217773862
>In no medieval saga or myth is there an all-powerful ring created by an evil lord with the entire plot hanging on that evil lord trying to find his all-powerful ring which can only be destroyed by returning it to its source
That is not a good indication that Tolkien drew from Wagner. Both the Rhinegold and the One Ring are pretty much based on the Andvaranaut of Germanic Mythology, which is not only a magic ring that brings misfortune to its owner, but the most important treasure in the cycle of the most famous Germanic hero (Sigurd). If someone were to create a story based on the lore of such item, its main drama would be very similar to what you see in the Der Ring des Nibelungen or Lord of the Rings.

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>>217772680
kek

>>217769678
Too long. Would not watch.

>>217769935
nta but I am new to classical music and also struggle to add Wagner to my collection. So far I have Siegfried Idyll, Tannhauser Overture and Ride of the Valkyries and I liked the piece you posted. Any other suggestions?

>>217769678

It would be great if done right.

Wagner was basically writing a film. It starts with the Rhine with maidens swimming in it for goodness sake. It has a dragon and Valkyries riding sky-horses. He wrote it for the stage because that's all he had. But clearly it's a film.

The question is, how you do it right?

The answer: it has to be an animated cartoon. But not a crap modern cartoon. A good one. It wants to look like Disney's Fantasia.

Use Solti's version with Birgitte N. as Brunnhilde for the soundtrack. Subtitle it I guess for people who don't know the German. Four films, 15 hours total (3+4+4+4).

>>217776023
Me and my roommate in college would joke about pitching a Ring quadrilogy to Studio Ghibli.

>>217769793
The War will not be over until every last thing Germanic is destroyed or corrupted to be associated with the War. It is the consequence of being punished by an enemy that has eternal patience.

It won't be better than Lang's version so there's no point.
Yeah, Wagner's music isn't used there, but Gottfried Huppertz did a good job.

>>217777779
>Lang's version
The 100 year old silent film?

>>217777779
Lang's version got nothing to do with the Ring of the Nibelung. It's an adaptation of the historical Nibelungenlied. Wagner's version is his own creation mixing various parts of Germanic mythology with elements from the Nibelungenlied.

Metropolitan Opera released the best version so far, and you can watch it online

https://ondemand.metopera.org/performance/detail/53d9f72f-307e-5eec-8492-4f11feaf3f05

https://ondemand.metopera.org/performance/detail/80c762a3-506a-524b-b764-43cac195d048

https://ondemand.metopera.org/performance/detail/120ca344-c97d-5bb1-8525-1370d9292c8a

https://ondemand.metopera.org/performance/detail/3b7663f9-5fa1-59bd-81eb-3e3e120f55df

There are subtitles, no worries.

Here's the Ride of the Valkyries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeRwBiu4wfQ&t=9s

Miss me with that Wagner.

I want an Ulster Cycle film with all the Cu Cuhlainn stuff.

Nobody in the opera world can sing for shit anymore, so it would have to be just a story adaptation for me to take it seriously unless it's set to a good recording, like a Furtwängler recording.
>>217776023
This nigger gets it, though Hans Hotter's way past his prime in that recording
>>217778749
This nigger doesn't