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Feels like the last time Precure set the yuri dial to maximum like this was ... well technically Maho 2, but for the Sunday morning slot, it was Star Twinkle.

I'm genuinely so excited to see these two in action. The insane Yuri potential aside (Which alone really excites me), I'm really looking forward to having these two as Cures, and really looking forward to seeing their civilian forms as well. Genuinely two of my favorite designs.
(Very adultlike though, which I honestly wasn't expecting.)
What do y'all think of Kimi to Idol so far as a whole by the way? Been a little bit since the last thread, but I've been loving every episode.

>>4426883
Kimi to Idol feels like one of those seasons that keeps getting better as more and more pieces get assembled, and it was already pretty good from the onset. I thought it already found its groove with the Kyunkyun intro episodes, but then it improved even further once Meroron was introduced. I'm not really sure where the season is going, but I'm optimistic. I'd say it's in my top 10 as of now.
If Purirun and Meroron stay as yuri as they have been so far, this season's definitely going to be something.

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>>4426860
Technically Yuki x Mayu has the yuri dial to maximum, but Wonderful is more het than usual, so their subtext become too soft and thus overshadowed.
I personally think the last, most intense yuri ship was Asuka x Yuriko, like the final few Asuka's episode are just her and Yuriko is just intense healing fic about a broken couple trying to become girlfriends again.
Unfortunately not many people make fanarts about them.

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Great episode

This isn't fair... Life is just too cruel... Why is *that* what the Heart Kirarilock does...? I've honestly been sobbing for the past 20 minutes. I know that the effects of the Heart Kirarilock will eventually be undone, but until that point, I have to endure the tragedy we've seen unfold today. Also, the fact that Purirun still remembers Meroron; I wonder what'll happen when she realises that Meroron forgot everything about her. I'm not ready for that pain if they don't get their memories back quickly enough... (In general, I'm not ready for that pain.)
On another note though, HOLY YURI, ZukyuKiss is THAT GAY?! WHAT THE FUCK?!

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>saves your show

>>4427610
Kimi to Idol was already really good, outside of like, Episode 13.
But yeah, I love these two, honestly. Meroron is probably one of my favorite Fairies, and in general, I'm excited to see the next handful of episodes dedicated to ZukyuKiss. The Selective Amnesia should be resolved before we get the Full Group Finisher, right?

>>4427576
I wanted Purirun/Meroron/Uta for yuri love triangle comedy antics not yuri love triangle drama antics. It's like they looked at the Doki Christmas episode and decided to go even further beyond.
Can't wait for next episode.

>>4427621
I just want them to get their memories back soon enough, the two of them don't deserve to suffer from losing their memories for long.

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I thought they set the yuri dial to the max at episode 15 but that clearly wasn't the case now we have episode 17.

>>4427760
How wet was Uta at that moment...

>>4427830
Mirai is so daring putting a ring on Liko so soon

This is how Meroron wins.

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This show's going to mess with my head for the next couple of weeks at least.

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This doujin by kasumi has some great non-consentual yuri. With bad end beauty and bad end march. Lots of body fluids which is the hallmark of great yuri.

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>After applying Cure Miracle Lip, apply Cure Magical Lip on top to achieve a moisturized and glossy finish.

>>4427760
They found the dial had a 11 setting.

>>4428341
And we're going to go even higher yet. Once Meroron gets her feelings back, that number's getting cranked up by several orders of infinity.

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More Mirai Days merch.

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>>4428408

>>4428161
Wow, this was super good. The boob sex kind of lost me but the forced face sitting is insanely hot.

I wonder how they'll develop Meroron's romance with Purirun after this arc. There are a lot of ideas that come to mind, so I'm really looking forward to seeing how they approach Meroron and Purirun in future episodes, both with this Arc and afterwards.

Did I4U redeem itself?

>>4428964
"I4U"? Apologies, not sure or unable to recall what this acronym refers to, sorry.

>>4428964
People tend to forget that these kinds of obvious (secondary) couples don't really save the series, they may be the most memorable part, but the series itself will still be from bad to mediocre, it can't be put on the same level as Maho, because in Maho the main couple is basically the core of the entire series.

It's funny when you realize that series like HetCharge or Party don't even have a yuri couple that makes them even remotely memorable.

>>4428965
Idol For You, this season.

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>>4428826
My guess is she will be antagonistic to Purirun and the main girls for a while (2+ episodes).
My theory is the magical lock grant them completely new identity in human world (complete with housing, school/job, and other things required for them to live in human world), so they don't even realize they were fairies.
Don't know how long the memory loss will last. If they are going to recover their memory in 2 episodes or so, then I don't think we are going to get any character development for the new Meroron.
We know there is going to be an episode where they are looking for memories, but it could be a diversion and Purirun+Meroron will still be amnesiac for a while.
If their memory loss lasted for an arc (9-12 episodes). then I can see Purirun's kindness rebuild Meroron's love for her, which will strengthen Meroron's memory once it returns.

>>4428981
It is "You and Idol Precure" not "Idol For You".

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>>4428964
I always predicted the yuri will come with Meroron, so as far as I see it hasn't improve or degrade (Kaito is still there, he even gets new toy sold by Toei).
We are currently in situation where yuri is the focus, so everything looks great.
But Wonderful also had moments where everything looked great (when Yuki and Mayu get the focus), only for it to then shift away from Yuki and Mayu and basically never gives Yuki and Mayu spotlight again (plus the het with Satoru and Iroha). So that can still happens here.
I don't want to give people too much hope in case something like that happens..

>>4428826
I'm sincerely lost as to where Kimi to Idol could go. It's a refreshing feeling.
>>4428999
I agree that the episode titles are vague enough that it could last for longer than just June, especially if they regain their memories at seperate times. I can see Meroron being stuck with partial amnesia longer. I think the latest it'll resolve is the halfway point in episode 24 or so though. Early third cour episodes tend to be the low stakes ones.
>>4429008
Wonderful was by Narita, so het being the primary focus was a foregone conclusion. Kaito has been irrelevant for so long that even though I think he'll be relevant somehow in the second half just because of all of the damn merch, I doubt it'll be in a romance with Uta kind of way and instead be in a "the final boss was his ex" plot twist kind of way.
I guess Uta being Zukyoon'd could just be yuribait, but the season so far has had way, way more yuribait than hetbait. With Kaito/Uta, there's episode 4 and... that's it really. The most het episode in the series was 13 and Kaito did appear, but there wasn't even any Kaito/Uta bait. Episode 13 is actually why I think the main bad guy might be his ex with the cursed memory stealing lock possibly supporting that theory further since he did deflect when he was asked about who he loved.
I do wonder if that episode was also foreshadowing about Meroron finding someone new to love after getting rejected, but who knows. Unlike that girl, Meroron hasn't confessed yet.

>>4429061
>Lost as to where Kimi to Idol could go
Same. I have confidence in them though, since while they *could* have Meroron never regain her feelings in the worst case, that would be a super weird development for any main character in a Precure series, and generally go against Precure's whole point (Not to mention that it's of significant importance to Meroron). That said, I do think she's going to get them back, even if a little later than Purirun (Be that Episode 21 or as late as 24, as you said, in the very worst of cases). It is super refreshing though, I'm genuinely so hooked, because this Arc aside, I have literally no idea where the rest of the season will be going.
>Foreshadowing about Meroron finding someone new
I don't think so, honestly. In general, we've never had a Character's feelings for another displayed *so* prominently, to the point where it's integrated importantly into the plot itself. (Yes, we had the whole confession in Wonderful, but Satoru's feelings were never integral to the plot; If Meroron wasn't in love with Purirun, I doubt she'd have gone along with using the Lock) Frankly, it feels more like the start of a set up for a romance, I'm not going to lie. An early episodes cheek kiss, an early episodes sacrifice, and her becoming part of a Cure Duo alongside the one she loves. It all feels like the build up for it all to eventually pay off in some way? Even if just to have Purirun finally become aware of how Meroron truly feels. (Hopefully in the shorter term) But what with what we've seen so far, and the amount of weight put behind Meroron's feelings, it genuinely feels like we could be primed for a genuine romance between two Female Characters within Precure. (And considering that their Human forms are a lot older looking than the main trio, they could likely get away with it too) That said, it's all purely speculative. I'm just very hopeful, partially because I'm really rooting for Meroron and because this is kinda new ground.

What if Uta does end up with Zukyuun? We've had fairy x Cure romances before, it's about time one was yuri.

>>4429293
I'd feel bad for Meroron, honestly. Someone pointed out that Kimi to Idol is also Directed by the Golden Time Director, so I feel like I'm rooting for Meroron even more after learning that, honestly. Feels like this whole thing is a set up for Purirun × Meroron in the long run.

>>4429293
Uta/Purirun might be endgame. The first two episodes are Uta/Purirun even without the context of episode 17; it's just that one would need pretty dense yuri goggles to see it. Episode one focused on how Uta met Purirun (you could even argue that they went on a "date") and did not introduce any other Cures while episode 2 had that sweet Uta comforting Purirun moment. There are also a lot of times where Uta and Purirun would be in sync, the fact that they sleep in the same bed, and episode 15 has Uta admitting that they spend so much time together that Purirun rubbed off on her, but those three aspects of their relationship were more likely to be taken as purely platonic even by a hardcore /u/ person without the context of episode 17. Most people assumed Meroron's jealousy was unwarranted when it was.
One last point I would like to make is that at its core, Kimi to Idol might be a normal girl meets not-normal girl story like Maho, ST, TR, and HS, and we all know who the main couples of those seasons are. I can see how it might make Meroron seem like a simple sacrificial pawn if Uta/Purirun is the end game, but I'm sure the show will make sure she's emotionally fine by end of the season.

Reminder that Purirun's VA is a Purirun × Meroron Shipper.

Yeah, seems like the Memory Loss Arc is going to go on for a bit longer than just this month.

>>4430086
I feel like that Idol Precure vs ZukyoonKiss July episode could easily be a comedy episode, but since it is before the third cour starts and is still early July (which usually before the point a season goes into low stakes mode in late July), I think it's likely to be a dramatic episode. I don't believe they'll let the Cures punch each other. It'll just be a idol face off or something, but I think it'll be interesting either way. It depends on what actually happens in June.
It's vaguely possible that the fairies do receive their memories before then, but that doesn't necessarily mean the drama stops.

So, interestingly, it seems that what they lost might've actually been more general than their specific most precious thing. By sacrificing all of her memories of Uta, Purirun also unknowingly sacrificed all her memories of the Town itself. And while Meroron sacrificed her love, she seems to have also unknowingly sacrificed a good chunk of her emotions? Obviously, it's not all gone since Purirun still has the desire of protecting Cure Idol, and Meroron still has an attachment of sorts towards Purirun (alongside calling her Onee-sama), so I wonder if it's buried deep in their subconscious or something? In general though, this is really interesting, and potentially more tragic than we were even made to believe last week. Meroron seems so emotionally subdued, so I'm worried for her, but I'll keep rooting for her. She deserves to end up happy with Purirun. (Very interesting that she's not doing any Fansa Lessons though, I wonder if they're saving that for Episode 21. Would probably make sense, since she's less of a friendly character right now. (And Purirun isn't emotionally subdued or anything, so it makes sense for her to do them.))

One thing that I've noticed that Uta's feelings for Purirun seem to be getting mixed up with her feelings for Zukyoon. Uta mentions that she felt like she met Zukyoon before, and in her dream, she did call out Purirun's name before getting shot by Zukyoon and clearly misses the former even if she's doing her best to trust Purirun and not worry about her. I think Uta unconsciously sees the connection between them.
Kokoro's assessment that Uta is Zukyoon's fan isn't entirely inaccurate but isn't the whole picture. Zukyoon being as idol as she is was relevant, but I don't think Uta would have been Zukyoon'd so hard if she didn't build up her relationship with Purirun at first.
>>4430669
I'm kind of curious how long the series will wait to resolve Kiss/Meroron's issues. They seem more low priority than Purirun's issues. I personally think her dulled sense of emotion will be fixed by the end of the second cour, but I can't say for sure.

>>4430669
>unknowingly sacrificed a good chunk of her emotions?
I don't think she sacrifice her emotion, she still smile here and there, but I do think she sacrifice her love for Purirun. Kiss still knows and respects Zukyoon, but I think she isn't in love with Zukyoon right now.
My theory is Zukyoon and Kiss will lose their power if their sealed memory ever come back, so Kiss role in the next few episodes is to prevent Zukyoon from remembering her memory of Uta.
If this is true, I think the irony will be that because Purirun never realize that Meroron loves her, Zukyoon doesn't realize that she has to prevent Kiss from falling in love with her, and maybe the first to break the sealed memory is Kiss as she falls in love with Zukyoon again.
I think the goal for Idol Trio in this next arc is to find a way to recover Zukyoon's and Kiss' memories without removing their power/

>>4430756
Yeah, Meroron being more stoic in general is more of a side effect of losing her passion for Purirun rather than indicative of a complete emotional lobotomy. A partial one is still messed up though.
Zukyoon obviously isn't really the same person the viewer grew to love throughout the series due to losing so many memories, but one could say Kiss isn't really Meroron either since a core passion of hers was forcibly removed. At the very least, I'm not sure if I would truly be myself if I suddenly stopped liking yuri for an inexplicable reason.

Onee-sama is more formal than Nee-tama, so it's pretty indicative of Kiss having lost her love for Purirun or at least her passion (In a different context, I would be happy about the first time one Cure called a different Cure onee-sama, but I can't help but be a little depressed about the development now.)
I'm not sure if Zukyoon referring to Cure Idol exclusively as "Cure Idol" while she refers to Cure Kiss as just "Kiss" means anything more than her being more formal to Cure Idol just because she doesn't actually know her. That would depend on the current nature of her relationship with Cure Kiss. Cure Zukyoon seems abnormally obedient to her, in a way I don't think Purirun would be to Meroron, but that could be for a variety of reasons. I think it'll be clearer in one or two episodes.

So, like, if the girls are going to bring back at least some of Purirun's memories by jogging her memory with a picnic, then surely, Purirun is going to have to find out about Meroron's feelings in order to have a shot at restoring them.

>>4431878
I do believe that Purirun will realize Meroron's feelings by the time this arc is over or soon after, but the aftermath of that is something I can't really guess. Maybe it'll just end up as a stable harem scenario like Doki, but the only reason that dynamic even works is because Mana represents agape to an inhuman extent.
Purirun's probably going to have to choose between Uta and Meroron as her "most important person", and I doubt that Uta's feelings for Purirun are as light hearted as the anime has made them seem so far. Just like the show hid the full extent of Purirun's feelings towards Uta until episode 17, I think they're hiding Uta's feelings until a soon upcoming episode. Episode 18 didn't focus on it too hard, but even there, it's obvious that she misses Purirun and is suppressing her loneliness by trying to trust in her.

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>>4432131
It's the only way or full harem for Uta.

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>>4432191
Kiss clearly has to kiss Idol at some point (or Idol kisses Kiss). The names have been prophetic so far.
>Cure Wink got winked at by Idol and developed her winking quirk that way
>Cure Kyunkyun has her heart go kyunkyun for Idol (and Wink too, but Idol was first)
>Cure Zukyoon zukyuun'd Cure Idol (though Purirun got zukyuun'd by Cure Idol first)
Oddly enough, the only one to kiss Uta so far was Purirun.

>>4432219
I always thought the names for Kiss and Zukyuun were more relating to each other.
Purirun Zukyuun'd Kiss back when Kirakiland was first attacked, and Meroron Kissed Purirun on the Cheek in Episode 15. Wouldn't that make more sense?
>>4432131
Yeah, I think Purirun is going to find out within the confines of this Arc as well. (In general, I think this could be what Episode 21 focuses on, maybe?) I have a couple ideas on what could come out as a result of it, but it's all purely speculative. The feeling of having no idea about what could happen next is really refreshing, even if a bit terrifying.

So we got a look at a couple of frames from their Transformation Sequence, and a bigger version of their song, ahead of this week's episode. (We also got confirmation that they are indeed Purirun and Meroron, but we knew that already.)
Not going to lie, the song is radiating super Yuri energy. They're turning the dial even higher.

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>>4432759
>Haagh
Heh, nice once captcha, nice one.

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>>4432746
I don't see how they could turn the yuri dial up more without breaking something, but I can't wait to see what they do.
>>4432759
The music video has a lot of interesting imagery between the lock/key, rope, the stars (astrology), and tarot cards. I'm not 100% sure what it all means, but I think Zukyoon and Kiss are doing what they are doing right now because they think it's fate or destiny as opposed to their own personal free will. The MV also has scenes where the girls are touching hands with their dark reflections as opposed to each other; that probably represents the parts of themselves that got sealed away by the lock.
If Purirun and Meroron are trapped in the dark abyss, the one who will likely save them the one who may be Purirun's light, Sakura Uta. As for what that means for everyone's relationship going forward... I got nothing.

Damn, Merurun....the stuff you do to Purirun

OK, what the fuck. We now have no idea at all with what Meroron lost now, actually. I'm genuinely so confused.
That said, this episode somehow upped the Dial even more.

>>4433663
Remember when Purirun/Meroron was cute and not literally detrimental to Purirun's soul? That was like 4 episodes ago...
I don't think Meroron's motives are completely selfish, but the fact that they could be makes this season exciting.

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Back in episode 17, when Meroron seemed to sacrifice her memory for Purirun's sake, there is a tweet from a father, who is a dedicated Precure fan, who complained that it is inappropiate for a kid show to show that someone can sacrifice their own happiness for if that means other person will be happy.
Today episode feels like Toei anticipate that kind of complaint and show us that Meroron doesn't actually sacrifice her own happiness, afterall.
That is to say, I don't think people should consider the worst out of Meroron (whether they consider it as a bad thing or a good thing),

>>4433661
>>4433663
>>4433759

because Toei has no interest to make Precure a bad guy, and they know parent will complain if there is ever a bad Precure.
There are many options for why Meroron is keeping Purirun away from Uta & friends. Ranging from she is afraid the spell can be undone if Purirun remembers to she doesn't want Uta to blame herself if Uta knows that Purirun lose her memory in order to protect Uta.
I wish Zukyoon mystery would stay longer, and this episode kinda deflate my hype quite a bit, but I guess this arc has to end around episode 21-24 for the next wave of toys.

What Meroron really lost or why she didn't seem to lose anything will probably be revealed in one or two episodes. I don't think this arc can get resolved until that's dealt with at the very least. The situation could get resolved in a couple episodes, but from what I can see of this current downward spiral, I don't think so. It feels like there needs to be at least one more episode of the situation getting worse before it gets better.
I personally feel the season could wrap up the situation in 3 episodes and still feel satisfactory, but 4 or maybe even 5 episodes wouldn't surprise me at this point. As for what the aftermath will be like, I got nothing. Maybe things will go back on the rails and the third cour will be more akin to the first cour, or they decide to press the turbo button even harder.

So what do we think Meroron's lost? Because we know now for certain that she's lost something. It's apparently a pretty painful cost, but we know it's not her memories. Doesn't seem to be her love either. Any guesses?

>>4434520
None of these theories I'm personally certain about, but I don't mind compiling the various ones I've seen. I'm personally ordering them by least plausible to most plausible to me personally though they all seem inherently implausible honestly. Other than the first theory I list, which is a bit of a cop-out, they seem too ... extreme. I sincerely cannot predict what she lost with any sense of certainty.
1. What Meroron lost happened to be connected enough to Purirun's memories (like Purirun's happiness) that Purirun paying her price was sufficient.
2. Since Purirun lost her "past", Meroron sacrificed her future. Basically RIP Meroron after the season ends, or maybe it just means that Meroron sacrificed any future potential romantic relationship with Purirun.
3. Since Purirun's sacrificed thing was related to her mind/soul, Meroron's was related to her body, such as the ability to feel Purirun's warmth.

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M: It can also be worn as a ring, not just a necklace! (*Pink Dia)
L: Ah! Hold on, Mirai, what are you doing? If we wear these, people might... think that we're married!
M: That's fine. If it's with you, I don't mind if people make that mistake. ...do you mind it?
L: ...! I... don't... mind it...
M: Okay, then it's decided! You should wear it to work too
L: HUH?

>>4434793
Third one would probably make the most sense of the 3. Given that her poems refer to Purirun being her light/warmth, it'd make sense if Purirun's warmth were her most precious thing, so I'd kinda expect her to lose the ability to feel Purirun's warmth, if that were the case. Honestly kinda more interesting than just flat out losing her feelings as well. (And it makes more sense than the other 2 as well, honestly. The second one especially since the Lock would have just wiped her out if it were to take away her future; not to mention that the future isn't something that she *has* that could be precious to her.)

>>4434793
Assuming her memories at intact, it makes sense to her to still act as if she loves Purirun. Either she hasn't realized that her feelings have changed, or she has, and this is her way of fighting against that.
Given how strongly Pikariine discourged Meroron from using the locker, I suspect this won't get resolved quickly.
Purirun's curse is probably much milder, because she can always just make new memories, and also because it feels like Meroron's choice has more "narrative weight" since she was fully aware of Pikariine's warning and had time to carefully consider her options before revealing the lock's secret to Purirun, who at the time was in emotional distress and not in a position to carefully consider the implications.

>>4435041
I do agree that it's within the realm of possibility that Meroron is trying too hard to fake her love with Purirun. I personally don't think this is the case but anything does seem possible at this point.
The twist of "what Meroron lost" seems like a ticking timebomb. When it'll be revealed I can't really say. It'll probably be dealt with one way or the other before the end of the second cour, but depending on the nature of the sacrifice, it's not impossible for the season to just keep it a mystery. She's definitely the type to keep it a secret except when pushed really, really hard.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=k2Cr08eE2Sc
Here's the subbed version of the Awakening Harmony PV if anyone is interested. I don't think it gives any hints for Meroron's price. It could, but that feels like grasping at straws when all we have is the PV and not the full song.
That said, one thing I feel like pointing out is that the lyrics seem like they are from Purirun aimed towards Uta or possibly Meroron towards Purirun rather than Purirun and Meroron singing about each other. That seems a bit ... unusual.
Maybe Cure Wink's Winking Score is aimed towards Uta, and maybe Cure Kyun-Kyun's Kokoro Revolution is aimed towards Uta and/or Nana (I think it's both since they are both her oshi), but those songs are not quite as obviously aimed for a specific person as Awakening Harmony is. That leaves the question of if Unison of Smiles isn't aimed for any particular person or if it is aimed towards someone. I believed the former for a while now, but if it is aimed at a specific person, then it would have to be Purirun since the first episode focused specifically on Uta and Purirun. There are a couple hints of that interpretation (like the part of the song where Uta says she'll wipe away tears and not betray expectations), but it feels like I'm reaching trying to interpret things that way.

>>4435438
It feels more like Meroron's song about Purirun, honestly. Some of the lyrics don't quite feel like they'd belong to Purirun. That said, there's a chance this is all purely overanalytical on both our ends and there's not really a specific meaning to the song for either character.

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>Uta suffering in the rain without Purirun
The longer they keep them apart the more it hurts.

>>4437019
On the other hand Meroron is living together in the same house with Purirun and feeding her

Purirun will become Meroron's.

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We still have 29 episodes left, but I'll be genuinely surprised if it ends up being Purirun/Meroron. All signs are pointing towards Uta/Purirun. The show seems intent on showing how hopeless Meroron's affections are.

>>4437252
If it ends up being Uta/Purirun, I'd be a little disappointed, honestly. No signs have really pointed to it being romantic or anything so far, more just two Idol Otakus Idol Otakuing for each other.
That said, the show has honestly been bullying Meroron really badly. We're about to reach the half way point next month, and the show's hardly been letting up on giving her bad luck after bad luck. It makes me convinced that she's got to start seeing a shit ton of good luck soon, because there is no reason for anybody to have such horrible luck and for it to not get better. (Like genuinely, all things considered, she might actually have the worst luck of any Cure, especially since things are only going to yet get worse for her.)

>>4437265
Just this episode we had Purirun cheering her on.
>>4437252
Soon. Their civvie forms haven't had a chance to have focus yet, I think that'll be the point we see more of the Uta/Purirun side. Could Uta handle sleeping together with human Purirun?

>>4437284
That's what I mean when I say that it's more like an Idol Otaku thing. Cheering her on isn't the equivalent to being in love. That said, I think it's going to start going in Meroron's favor more once she's been broken down just a *little* more and her secrets are all revealed. What she lost, where she came from, once those are revealed, after that's when it starts going in Meroron's favor most likely. Could be earlier than that as well, but there's no doubt that those need to come out before Meroron and Purirun's relationship can truly start to blossom.

>>4437296
I think you're underselling Uta and Purirun's relationship here. The last thing Uta thought of before she passed out was Purirun remembering her and rushing for a hug.

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>>4437304
Yeah, in this episode, Uta really gave the vibe that she badly wanted her wife's amnesia fixed.

>>4437304
I'm not, but in a season with Meroron, Uta and Purirun feel more like super duper best friends.

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>>4437309
She'll get it.

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After an episode like that, it'll take one crazy miracle to make Purirun/Meroron the endgame. Most people would have given up once it got to the point of Purirun sacrificing her most valuablle treasure willingly for the sake of Uta in episode 17 and especially 21 where the relationship between Uta and Purirun caused a miracle. Not Meroron though, her trying so hard even in the face of all that is admirable in its own way.
Nevertheless, while it feels more like setup than something the episode really emphasizes, there's the obvious implication that Uta and Purirun are each other's number one. Meroron seems really, really doomed to fail.

>>4440513
I don't know. With all the pain that Meroron is going through for the sake of others, and just how ready she is to give up her last bits of hope for their sakes, it makes me feel like it's going to have to swing in roundabouts for her. Would be kind of insane if, after all of this, Meroron and Purirun aren't together by the end of the show. Like genuinely, Purirun needs to start appreciating just how awesome Meroron is. (They all do, to be fair, but considering just how far Meroron went for Purirun especially, Purirun needs to really open her eyes. (I wonder if it's intentional that the trio's interactions with Meroron over the past couple weeks have almost felt totally ignorant and uncaring in regards to her, it's kinda weird that nobody even asked if she was at least alright, honestly.)

>>4441012
>I wonder if it's intentional that the trio's interactions with Meroron over the past couple weeks have almost felt totally ignorant and uncaring in regards to her, it's kinda weird that nobody even asked if she was at least alright, honestly.
I think that's just a matter of Purirun being the obvious higher priority and the fact that Meroron seems fine at a glance even if she's a bit more uncooperative than she used to be. Her angsting is mostly done while she thinks no one is paying attention to her. I do think the time is coming soon where the other Cures address the elephant in the room and ask Meroron what she lost. I don't think she'll reveal it easily though, mostly because it would make Purirun sad but partially because she's not close enough to the trio to confide in them yet. The latter reason will likely be addressed in the next few episodes which may let Meroron reveal her secret, though I'm not sure how.

Meroron's the strongest. I believe in her more now than ever, honestly. Once Purirun starts properly appreciating everything she does, I think Meroron's going to end up Zukyuun'ing her.

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>>4443471
I'm glad that they reinforced that Meroron loves Purirun in either form, very important, actually. Gives me more faith and hope for Meroron. Glad that this episode doesn't fully resolve her pain either though, so they can come back to her and focus on what she's going through in a few episodes time.

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Supportive Himejoshi

>>4443715
This felt less like Nana supporting Purirun/Meroron and more like Nana flirting with Meroron by saying how cute she looks next to her girlfriend. She's not manipulative enough to do that with the intention of actually diverting Meroron's affection away from Purirun, but Nana seems way, way into Meroron.

>>4443716
I've always taken the fact that Nana is clearly more receptive to Meroron than the rest as more in the "Nana is simply more mature and weird that the rest" but I very much enjoy a subscribed to your interpretation of, "Meroron she doesn't know how to appreciate you, come with ME instead"

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They played pattycake together

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English translation
https://e-hentai.org/g/3446324/731029a44e/

Does anyone know the name for the series where a bunch of lesbian(subtext) cures raise a toddler together?

>>4452261
Hirogaru Sky

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>>4452261
A bunch? As in, more than 2?
Then, Doki Doki Precure?
I personally think Mahoutsukai is still the best of its kind (lesbians raising baby), but I don't consider them a "bunch".

>>4452845
Otona Precure should've given us grown up Nagisa and Honoka

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>>4454135

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>>4455378
I do appreciate this season showing that Meroron is open with her affection for Purirun regardless of her form.

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>hetbait episode
>also, Cure Kiss spends hours upon hours describing her love for Purirun
This season is really funny especially from a /u/ perspective

>>4458257
The problem is that both notions cannot be mixed and it has never worked that way. If the hetfags get the slightest bit of satisfaction, they will take on non-existent powers and will pretend very hard, or directly be insufferable, which unfortunately they are already doing.

>>4455378
>>4455724
Frankly it's annoying that they still don't have a real civil form (not fanservice) and the anime could really do less with the obvious romantic feelings between them, plus this season has the worst version 2 of the Opening that I've ever seen, this goes beyond laziness, it's as if they wanted to pretend that the best of the series doesn't exist.

>>4457442
Not Precure but close enough I guess, good pairing.

Unrelated, but why is the only religious pretty cure a Christian? Doesn't Japan only have like 1% Christian population?

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>>4459524
An anime character is unusual and quirky? Who would have thought.

>>4459524
Yeah, but most of the rest are only performatively religious while being really atheistic. It is kind of weird that we haven't really gotten a shrine maiden Cure yet now that you mention it though, but maybe they figured that encroaches too much on Sailor Mars's territory. Cure Pine getting to be Christian was probably just because of Fresh being an early season where they were still figuring out what was ok in the franchise. It's probably at the point now where making a Cure an actual Buddhist or something would feel too weird.

>>4460506
It's gonna be awkward when Love and Setsuna get married tho.

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If anyone cares, there's some Suite non-h stuff uploaded on panda.

We're as far removed from HaCha as HaCha itself is removed from Futari wa.
Do you feel old yet?

I was surprised to see Meroron actually win and get Purirun to admit that she wanted to be with Meroron forever as well. The way she said it sounded like a proposal. That said, I'm not really sure if Purirun/Meroron will be treated like a couple or if all 5 Cures will be in one big (subtextually) open relationship. This episode also gave me a lot of Nana/Meroron, Uta/Meroron, and even Uta/Nana vibes. It doesn't help that Uta's dream is specifically to be with Nana and Kokoro forever, a dream that just so happened to be revealed the same episode Meroron made her first appearance. Doki was the Mana harem season after all, so something like this wouldn't be unprecedented.

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>That's Zukyuun for you!
>She calmly does things we never could! She's so electrifying! It's incredible

I think I have a decent idea of what Meroron's actual price for the lock is now. Meroron's deepest desire might have been something as simple as becoming someone of light and warmth, like Purirun, rather than being cold and dark like her current self. She was probably bothered by the fact that she couldn't go kirakira, even before she met Purirun. She loves Purirun immensely because she dragged Meroron out to the light, but Meroron still felt like a denizen of the darkness and was overly reliant on Purirun to feel the light. She wanted to become someone who could shine on her own. This didn't really come to mind to me before since I assumed her deepest desire would be more Purirun centered due to her obsession of her, but the last episode being about her becoming more independent gave me this idea.
The reason why the lock reacted when it did is that openly admitting that she wanted to be friends with the other Cures would be the first real step towards becoming the Meroron she really wanted to be.

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>>4468923
>complaining about Meroron showing her wife some love in the Meroron harem season

My only precure experience is the first episode of the first series.

Are there any particular series in the franchise that stand out in terms of yuri themes/undertones? Does it ever become explicit in any of them?

The two girls in the original one were adorable, but iirc it seemed pretty explicit that they have a thing for some boys, which was annoying.

>>4469250
Without a doubt, Witchy Precure is the undisputed queen of yuri in this franchise. The main pair are basically inseparable from early on, they literally raise an adopted fairy daughter together who calls both of them her moms, and pretty much the whole series focuses on their relationship. Plus, I believe the manga version of the story even goes farther by having them kiss. Witchy is easily the closest Precure has (and maybe will ever) come to explicitly confirmed lesbian romance between Cures.

Other Precure series with a decent amount of yuri undertones are the current airing You & Idol Precure, Soaring Sky, Tropical-Rouge, Star Twinkle, Hugtto, Kira Kira, Doki Doki, and (despite what you'd expect based on what you saw in that first episode) the original Futari Wa Precure.

>>4469259
>>Other Precure series with a decent amount of yuri undertones are the current airing You & Idol Precure, Soaring Sky, Tropical-Rouge, Star Twinkle, Kira Kira, Doki Doki, and (despite what you'd expect based on what you saw in that first episode) the original Futari Wa Precure.

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Frankly, Fresh, Suit, and Go Princess deserve more attention in that sense, Fresh's yuri couple is so prominent that you have the guy hating the other girl, in Suit it's relevant enough to reach the mainstream, and in Go Haruka x Minami it's quite explicit in its important moments.

Frankly, it's easier to dismiss Yes, Hetcharge, Hug, Party, and Wan, not entirely devoid of yuri, but pales in comparison to the ridiculously well-defined and poorly implemented Het.

>>4469259
I'd say out of those seasons, the ones that make the yuri painfully obvious are You and Idol, Maho, Hugtto, KiraKira, and Doki Doki (though if you don't like het period, definitely avoid Hugtto as that's primarily het even if the yuri is blatant).
You and Idol is pretty amusing in how it seems to have blatant het in episode 4, but I stopped taking notice of it by episode 13 and I would say that by episode 31, it's obvious that the het was a fake out. I guess there's a third of a season left, so anything's possible, but I'm pretty sure the season is /u/ and /y/dol Precure at this point.

The mascots got civilian human forms

>>4471241
They definitely tried to make the mascot civilian form debut episode as yuri as possible. Definitely one of the most yuri seasons.

Nana really jumped on the opportunity to ask Meroron out on a date. If this weren't a kodomo show, I would be worried about Purirun getting NTR'd.

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>Please don't cry!

>We get along~

>See, we get along, right?

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>Sora-chan, we give a goodnight kiss before going to bed. That's how we pay our respect in this country (big lie).

>Understood!!

>That night

>Mashiro-san! Good night!!

>>4484752
Cute and gay.

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>>4469267
>Fresh's yuri couple is so prominent that you have the guy hating the other girl,
Who? I assume you were talking about Love and Setsuna, but I don't recall any male character hating on Setsuna?

>>4491569
Daisuke openly displays hatred and jealousy towards Setsuna, this is not even subtle, that guy is openly hostile.

>>4491680
Jealousy maybe, but hatred is a strong word lol

>New Precure series announced

https://x.com/toeianime_info/status/1993802049444823044?t=RFUfXCdGADnniQQmhvbItg&s=19

>>4498252
I like that the automatic comparison is Milky Holmes, although in the end all that's left is to wait and see how they ruin it in the end.

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>>4498252
You know, the more I look at it, the more I realize the logo is referencing Mahoutsukai, a lot. Like to the point I suspect it is actually a stealth sequel to Mahoutsukai.
I want to make a more comprehensive list, but for now I just want to point out the last one I find as it is pretty subtle.
The clock in the exclamation mark is showing that the time is 1:00 or 13:00. Mahoutsukai is the 13th Precure season.

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>>4499577
This is taking longer than I intended (IRL stuffs).
I feel like the blue ribbon/love sign at the logo is reference to Mahoutsukai, but I can't find convincing parallel.

And with the leak of Cures' name and design, it seems to be more inspired by Mahoutsukai than even I predicted

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>>4506125
Yeah the names seem to imply a fortune telling theme which pretty much no one saw coming. That's because most people were hung up on the detective part, but I did personally figure the star aspect would be important. I still got blindsided.
The thing that I personally find most suspicious that the next season is intentionally drawing from Mahou is the reveal date of the logo. Normally, Toei does it on the Friday of the last full week of November, but SD Precure's logo reveal was abnormally early. Under normal circumstances, it would be the 28th. I don't think that all of this implies next season will have the same staff or even be as yuri as Maho though. I think they'll just draw inspiration from the themes. We'll find out the staff in less than 2 weeks though.

Has Kimi to Idol ended? Was it yuri?

>>4509893
Wait a month anon. That said, Purirun/Meroron are super yuri even if Kaito/Uta do end up real.

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>>4508115
>I don't think that all of this implies next season will have the same staff
So we are about to get Star Detective visual and cast (plus staff, I think?), and my prediction is Keisuke Naito (MTP's producer) is the one that return from old staff.
Otona 23 producer become producer for Idol Precure, so there is precedent for adult spin off producer to become producer for new season.

>or even be as yuri as Maho though.
So, something I notice, seasons that inspired by Mahoutsukai are really gay. Above average for typical precure season.
Star Twinkle's producer was asking Murayama to write Maho 2.0 before Murayama said he didn't want to write Maho 2.0 (he just finished Maho Light Novel, if I am not mistaken, on top writing for Maho's drama CD, so I think he had Maho fatigue at that point), and we got Hikaru x Lala which clearly "Mirai x Liko - SPACE! version".
Tropical Rouge was Mahoutsukai fifth anniversary, something I just notice few weeks ago, which explained a lot why Manatsu x Laura seems to be inspired by Mirai x Liko. And Murayama wrote Asuka x Yuriko episodes.
Hirogaru Sky is also clearly inspired by Maho (fantasy setting, Cure from fantasy land comes to normal world and meet Pink Cure, both Cure raised daughter), and Murayama wrote Sora x Mashiro beach episode.
So I think we can expect the main duo (probably Purple x Pink) to be really gay. And Murayama might write for some episode.

My most unlikely prediction however, is I think there is going to be a crossover episode with MTP.
Like Hugtto episode 36, 37 where past Cure visit Hugtto. But instead of all Precure, it is just MTP.

Honestly following some news about Maho recently, there are quite a lot of activities involving MTP (Mirai Days kigurumi appeared in Live Stage, Tokyo MX aired Wonderful Precure movie where MTP appeared, and MTP is used to represent Precure in newspaper celebrating 60th anniversary of Mahou Soujo).
There got to be something for MTP this year, its 10th anniversary.

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>>4512513
>60th anniversary of Mahou Soujo
Should've been 60th anniversary of Sally the Witch.

I forget Maho also featured in Toei's 2026 calendar. So yeah, a lot of Mahoutsukai info recently.

>>4512513
>Keisuke Naito
That's a pretty good guess. I can definitely see that happening.
>Murayama wrote Asuka x Yuriko episodes.
That does explain why I always thought that was the most intense yuri couple of the season.
>There got to be something for MTP this year, its 10th anniversary.
Bare minimum is an anniversary stream like what Doki and GoPri got for their 10th anniversaries (GoPri's got delayed but it's still happening eventually). I'd be surprised if it wasn't more than that though, if only because of how popular Maho is in Japan.
Anyways, as fun as Purirun/Meroron were in Idol, I hope you're right and Star Detective is also super yuri. We'll see the staff list right before or after next week's episode. Probably.

https://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/star-detective_precure/about/
I don't recognize most of the names, but Murayama Isao confirmed!

>>4515114
>Detectives
>Time travel
The Vtuber jokes make themselves.
Pretty neat to have a black-motif Cure tho.

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I genuinely wonder how far they are going with Mahoutsukai influence, because even the announcement poster has the same composition.

And it is released the same day as Mirai Days first episode (January 11th).

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>>4515114
It only could be good if Arcana Shadow Cure is also timet raveler who want to help MC in it from MC times.
If not then it means all other Cures are now over 40 years old women in present time and you know what that could mean with playing go to the past to meet your parents trope.
Also the promiment male character as fairy with male VA doesn't help.

If Mikuru is Anna's mother then we can just not watch it. Foreheads are similiar.

>>4515303
Oh, so that's why the website is late.
>>4515309
A detail like that should be laid out day one, but even if that isn't the case (because Anna is an orphan... or got amnesia due to the time travel) I think the staff are competent enough not to make the relationship between Anna and Mikuru too yuri and will simply pile on the Anna/Moria yuri subtext instead. Or if they really want to screw with people, make it Mikuru/Moria to keep people guessing if Anna is their magic baby somehow.

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>>4515114
The funny thing about Murayama is that he actually isn't a yuri writer. He has vast amount of work, most of which aren't yuri. However, because of Mahoutsukai, if the producer hire Murayama it means the producer want to have yuri in his/her season.
Like Murayama only wrote 1 episode for Kirakira Precure (the one promoting the movie) and that isn't a yuri episode. However Kirakira as a season has plenty of yuri (Akira x Yukari, Ciel x Bibury, etc.). So he is kinda "Yuri Marker" in that sense.
I expect Ann x Mikuri to be a thing though. Can't wait for extreme age gap yuri (after bestiality yuri with Wonderful).

>>4515309
Their eye color are matching the other's hair color, which is similar to how they did it with MiraLiko, though in Mahoutsukai they have each other Cure color (Liko has pink eye while Mirai has purple eye).
And in Precure, mother and daugther has same hair color. So they are unlikely to be parent-daughter. I think Eclair is more likely to be Anna's mother, that's why we don't know anything about her yet.

>>4515317
I'd personally be into mother/daughter incest, but even if the season is the "Let Murayama do what he wants because Maho prints money" season, the producers will have some limits. If the twist is Mystique is Answer's mom, then their transformation won't be that yuri. I agree that most likely, the transformation will be super yuri, and Answer's mom is someone else.

>>4515308
>>Also the promiment male character as fairy with male VA doesn't help.
Actually, that wouldn't be a problem, considering that those kinds of fairies are mostly not a real problem, like the alien, the old man, the ferret, the lion, and even the hamster wasn't the problem in Hug; the problem there was everything else.

In Smile, which cures are supposed to be the yuri pairing? I am already halfway through but still have no clue.

>>4515470
They are the most united group in the entire series, and you can call it a group without any problem (unlike other series where 1 or 2 are more relevant than the rest). The most obvious part is the RGB trio, with Nao being childhood friends with Reika, in addition to Nao's double rivalry with Akane and the general chemistry of these 3.
Then you have the valid options with MC Miyuki, the Otaku couple with Yayoi, the first Cures option with Akane, even Candy is an option and Reika is not safe from her in the Cinderella episode.
Then you have the movie, which is essentially a revenge story of Miyuki's forgotten and spiteful "ex-girlfriend," where Akane has more shipptease than the rest, but they all end up admitting to loving Miyuki in the same movie.

It's one of those rare series where the choices feel valid; personally, my favorite pairing is Miyuki x Yaoi, I'm talking about all the seasons of Precure.

>>4515487
>Miyuki x Yaoi
What a terrible night for a typo.

>>4515518
Yes, sorry I messed it up there. As a fun fact, when those two are portrayed as perverted otaku reading Yaoi and the three villains appear on the covers, it turns out that those kinds of doujinshi are real. That's what I could see on Ex-hentai.

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>>4515487
Smile is the only Precure season where I can't decide on a pairing and just ship the whole group as a polycule

>>4515470
Personally I like the NaoRei dynamic and aesthetic the most, but yeah there are no "fixed" pairings like other series

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I have been thinking that there's 0% chance that they will go heavy yuribait on a mother/daughter duo, but depending on how you interpret Hugtto, Emiru and Ruru became a mother/daughter duo by the end. It never came to mind until now since I have never interpreted it that way and just assumed adult Emiru treated loli Ruru as a lover from the start (though waiting until she was physically and emotionally older to do anything frisky.So I'll revise that to a 1% chance at least.
>>4515470
Smile isn't really a yuri season.

>>4515639
Why are we so sure about it being Mother/Daughter duo? Did I miss something?

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>>4515657
Anna and Mikuru look abnormally similar as far as duo Cures go, and since Anna goes back 28 years in time from 2027 to 1999, it's definitely plausible for one of the Cures to have married and give birth to Anna about 2013. A mother/daughter thing would definitely make the inevitable farewell more emotional, especially since the only way Anna could be caught offguard by one of the Cures being her mom is if circumstances made it so she never knew her.
This is obviously just speculah though. The first episode could disprove this easily.

>>4515662
Also, I just noticed the tiny pink hearts in their eyes, this is definitely hardcore yuri subtext.

>>4515951
I hated how they downgraded their outfits in Gogo.

>>4515951
>>4516084
I've always thought the opposite, the outfits in Yes are simply terrible, especially for a team of 5. The Gogo outfits actually look like team outfits, each with its primary base color and not all chicken yellow.

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>>4516104
They're supposed to be like uniforms with minor alterations. GoGo misses the point even if it does give us the other C&C couple.

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>>4517183
Tanpuri's one of the most big friend-oriented seasons, with the children that Precure's audience is technically aimed at being utterly incapable of understanding the past because it never existed for them. It's a fun foray into history that doesn't require much except for kids to ask their parents what happened. This is is a season that demands parents watch along with their kids so they can talk to them about what they experienced at the time. It feels like a slam dunk to make Mikuru Anna's mom for the appeal of mothers and daughters watching the show together, and to take a page from the '90s Sailor Moon dub excusing away all yuri subtext as purely familial.

That said I'm almost anticipating Anna's mom appearing in episode 1 to shut my theorizing down. Next up is figuring out which fanartist's depiction of Mikuru as a hag will end as the most accurate.

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>>4512513
Finally made another comparison pic on poster and of the plot we've known so far.
I genuinely don't think I've ever seen a season so referential to the past season like this one.
It honestly goes beyond "let Isao Murayama does his thing" and more like "let's make Alter-Mahoutsukai".
All ingridients are exactly the same, but with different paint and flesh out differently.
And this can't be just because of Isao Murayama (who in STP's interview said he didn't want to repeat Mahoutsukai when asked to write for STP), instead this has to be from at least the producer, because it covers everything from plot to logo to toys.

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>>4518009
Even as Mahoutsukai fan this is a bit much for just homage, I feel like there has to be something bigger here, but what is it?
Currently my suspicion is still the same as this >>4512513 in that we are going to get at least one crossover episode with Mahoutsukai, but now, instead of it being unlikely, I am quite confident it can happen.
While Isao Murayama is relevant for /u/ because he is good at making yuri couple episodes, before (and after) Mahoutsukai, his specialization is actually on crossover.
He made the All-Stars DX movies, he wrote Miracle Universe and Miracle Leap, he wrote the crossover episodes in Hugtto, etc.
And with how much Meitantei is referencing Mahoutsukai, I kinda feel the staffs (at least the producer) want to have a crossover with Mahoutsukai, that's why they brought the writer of Mahoutsukai to the team.
The fact the last two seasons have crossover with other shows (Wonderful crossover with Shinchan and Hirogaru Sky + Maho Girls; Kimito Idol crossover with Dancing Stars), means there is a good chance for Meitantei to also get at least one crossover episode, with Mahoutsukai Precure the most obvious choice at this point.

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>>4518011
Also, I was curious with Eclair, because she looks familiar. Then I realize her color is similar to Kouchou-sensei.
So basically Eclair and Arcana-Shadow are genderbent Kouchou-sensei and Kushi?
Are they gay???
And then it clicks that Mashu-tan (fairy who does prophecy) is basically Cathy (the crystal ball who does prophecy) as actual fairy. So even the other Cures and fairies are referencing Mahoutsukai.
I think only Jett-senpai isn't a reference to Mahoutsukai, but I suppose in term of role in the story, his role is similar to Mother Rapapa. In that, Mother Rapapa provides Maho Girls with their equipments (their wand, Linkle Stick, Linkle Stone, etc.), and likewise Jett-senpai is the one who provide the Meitantei Cures with their equipments.
But anyway, right now I think Eclair and Arcana-Shadow were (and will be) an item...

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>>4518011
I can see the higher up staff intentionally planning a homage season to Maho, though how much SD will be influenced remains to be seen. Mikuru and Anna being mother and child would be quite the spin on Maho's family dynamic.
>>4518016
That ... might explain why we know zilch about Eclair. It might that her and Arcana Shadow are intimately tied to each other. They might have a morning sky (blue) and night sky (black) duality going on.

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