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It's seems that ever since Vivian, ZZZ has been introducing a girl whose a chunk of her character is 'oh proxie, all my life I've been suffering but ever since I met you, I can finally be happy', it happened to Yidhari and now Xiao'Guang, they even sneaked that shit with Alice despite all the teasing they did between her and Yuzuha

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they've specially been pushing this hard with her since she's Void Hunter-tier

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anyway, imagine Belle fucking the labubu

Yikes, knew it would be cringe but this was next level cringe.

>>4510070
Oh hey what coincidence, I also decided to finally buy all the dumb accessories cause I heard something about the shop changing and put them on

I'm honestly surprised ZZZ gets discussed here with how regularly Belle gets treated like shit.

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>>4510314
Belle's got plenty of moments. But you knew ***that*** was coming with YSG as part of her desperate shilling. You knew that and should have never expected differently.

>>4510069
You know they are having sex

>>4510066
Alice's constellation legit translates to her having feelings for the Proxy. Also the game has shipped tease before Vivian. We had Astra, Ellen, Jane Doe, and Miyabi teased as well.

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>>4510317
To be fair, this last batch of trailers has by far been the worst Belle has been treated by either marketing or the game itself. The Astra trailer and its subsequent references in game, while not ideal, at least still made sense with Belle as the primary Proxy, and despite being the previous biggest MC simp, Vivian's marketing didn't feature either of the siblings directly IIRC (save for the swimsuit one which did show Belle's hand). Even as recently as Yidhari, her Proxy-focused marketing starred Belle.
In contrast, YSG marketing has been nothing but Wise. This last trailer put to rest any coping about muh silhouettes or "but they're both in the trailer." You know that whole date event? Guess it was actually Wise who did all of that all along! Wise is the only one she dreams about, the one she's scared of forgetting the most, while Belle doesn't make one singular appearance, not even a cameo. There's no amount of justification that could make this make sense from a Belle player's perspective unless you don't take marketing as canon despite precedent otherwise, making this specific set of trailers the exception. I just don't get it; would a million Chinese and SEA incels not pull for the most waifubait character yet if a trailer showed Belle got anywhere close to her. Of course in-game she'll be all over Belle, but that doesn't quite wash the sour taste of these trailers out of my mouth. What a fucking joke. I miss the halcyon days of AstraLyn.

>>4510345
Yidhari was definitely shipped with Belle more. Honestly I think its one of those things where unfortunately Hoyo picks the more meta/story focused character to be paired with the male MC in the marketing to balance out all the female MC marketing. Stelle got Hysilens, Evernight, and Castorice so Caelus gets the super waifu character Cyrene. Belle got Yidhari, got to flirt with Jane, and saved by Zhu Yuan. Now Hoyo believes they need to balance things out not realizing Wise/Caelus already get way more than the females do.

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>>4510345
Wasn't Astra patient 0 of them making more waifubait trailers that appeased Wise players over Belle? Her and Caesar were two of the earliest samples. Her movie date at least makes her like both proxies.

>>4510356
I'm not sure there can be a "patient zero" in either of the two newer released games when they were already sorta pulling this shit with Lumine and whatever the brother's name was.

>>4510358
ZZZ definitely started off with a different flavor before pivoting to what it is today.
So Astra being patient zero makes sense.

>>4510319
>We had Astra, Ellen, Jane Doe, and Miyabi teased as well.
At least those had personalities and lives that didnt just obsess over the proxie

>>4510319
The Alice thing is so weird since outside that one scene in the resort event, they dont tease she has a thing for phaeton and 99% of her interactions are with Yuzuha

>>4510356
Caesar was always het, yes, but at least it's part of her character since she's obsessed with shoujo romance manga, thus making sense that she would act differently around Wise than Belle. Even with Astra's Wise-focused trailer you could say that she always liked both siblings equally (contra Vivian who is specifically only obsessed with the primary Proxy). Astra taking Wise out one time didn't invalidate Belle being the main character otherwise.
In contrast, the the latest YSG trailer shows flashbacks to the in-game date event and only shows Wise, which creates an issue since it's been pretty well established that the trailers are canon (off the top of my head both the Astra and Wise and Yixuan vs. Miyabi trailers were specifically referenced in game as having occurred). These trailers break precedent since they cannot be canon for both Proxies, all just to shill a character that was going to sell anyway.

>tech "otakus" save the world
i just wish they didn't treat belle like an obvious afterthought

>>4510314
We’ve had a thread up for months now for fucking Nikke. Clearly there are no standards when it comes to what gets discussed around here. It can be the most virulently dogshit het series, as long as someone draws two women from it making out it gets an entire fucking thread to itself.

>>4510452
That thread is necrobumped by one troll, nobody else cares about that shit. Everyone in that thread even acknowledged it's an off-topic game.
But yes, yuri art is all that you really need to make a thread. It's just that normally bad threads about garbage franchises nobody cares about would die on their own. Instead some idiots always try to keep bad threads alive as long as possible.

>>4510460
>Everyone in that thread even acknowledged it's an off-topic game.
If by "everyone" you mean yourself.

>>4510366
Thats the big issue ZZZ team has. They half-ass everything. Same eith Astra and Evelynn. Outside of the Wise trailer, its all about those two.
They try to have their cake and eat it too, but instead just sour it for every demographic. It's a clumsiness that reeks of desperation. Early ZZZ knew what it wanted.

>>4510462
What even is this bait? Are you trying to bait about the game actually being on-topic, which nobody has ever or will ever agree with or are you baiting about the literal litany of posts of anons who actually played that garbage game and all acknowledged it has no actual yuri despite them wanting to desperately ship the hetsluts in it... being all me?
Sounds like you haven't workshopped that yet. Come back when you got a bigger IQ.

>>4510460
>normally bad threads about garbage franchises nobody cares about would die on their own
And yet here we are, in a permanent thread dedicated to Hoyo trash which never had and never will have any yuri in it.
Board has no moderation (except when you complain about the lack of moderation lol) and is incapable of self-moderating either.

>>4510370
It's obvious why and if Hoyoheads weren't stuck in a cult these games would be banned here. Only Hi3 is actually yuri and deleted the male mc.

>>4510477
Mods delete threads and posts all the time. Some of the mods are just retards with a very hands-off approach on things that should not be hands-off (like GB shit and Ranma or Onimai in particular).
I will say it again though, nothing in the rules says you can't post threads about non-yuri series as long as you exclusively stick to posting yuri fanart of it.
Hoyoshit has an actual audience who is invested in it ships and yuribait (however little of it there is). So while yes, Hoyoshit is all garbage, it is not one that nobody cares about, there are genuine yuri shippers being baited. Which is a stark contrast from Nikke and its hetshitter gooner audience that has no place on /u/.

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>>4510477
>never will have any yuri in it.
There's canon /ll/ though?

>>4510487
>child has one-side crush on a character she will never have anything to do with again
That's not yuri. I know you are trying to make a joke, but it's kinda pathetic that this is the best you had.

>>4510489
>a girl having romantic feelings for a woman is not yuri

btw if anyone here is still going play Zzz just know that this won't be the last time they do this and definitely don't expect anything for belle

>>4510494
>Yuri: Romantic relationships or sex between two girls.
By definition one-sided crushes don't matter. Come back when she actually starts dating the woman she likes.
Seriously, having a bislut or lesbian in a story does not make it yuri by default, when will people learn? There is no tangible difference between an unrequited crush that is portrayed cutely and a one-sided crush where the lesbian is the butt of a joke, murdered for being gay or is forced to watch her crush marry a guy. None of them are yuri. They are all the same until something explicit happens between the two characters.

>>4510358
In fairness anon we were talking about ZZZ and Astra was mentioned as the character the anon (you?) wanted to go back to.

>>4510463
There's also the bangboo kiss, the joke of Wise wanting the fap to Astra bikini photo she sent Belle, and the movie date

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HI3 treats me well so I have nothing to complain about

>>4510496
As long as there isn’t a repeat of Astra in the summer event I don’t really care

>>4510483
For a game that has no place on /u/ its sure being mentioned a lot. Why are people even talking about that game? Why are they talking about it here of all places?

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>>4510489
Isn't Jeht shown to be a lesbian? Her lines for Lumine are intentionally much gayer than with Aether. Even Aether players acknowledge that Jeht loves Lumine in a more romantic way

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>>4510499
>There is no tangible difference between an unrequited crush that is portrayed cutely and a one-sided crush where the lesbian is the butt of a joke, murdered for being gay or is forced to watch her crush marry a guy. None of them are yuri. They are all the same until something explicit happens between the two characters.
You contradicted yourself. How can having a yuri crush and dying or watching your crush get with a guy has no "tangible difference"? The tangible difference literally is the guy. One leaves the chance and opening for shipping while the other kills it by adding a guy.

>>4510499
>Seriously, having a bislut or lesbian in a story does not make it yuri by default
No one said it did, but having a bislut or lesbian in love with another girl is 100% an instance of yuri. Romance stories don't stop being romance stories just because the romance is one-sided, dummy.

>>4510505
>anon (you?)
Not me. I'm just saying it's a bit silly to pretend there's a turning point associated with those games when they were already doing this crap with Genshin before either one's launch. It's just sort of inevitable, I fully expect their weird death stranding GTA game to ALSO do this same thing even though it was initially shown with a female PC. It's just standard protocol for them at this point.

>>4510522
Yes, and Ningguang's secretary who talks about fantasizing about her boss in lingerie or nude in the bath. Anon isn't interested in actual examples though, just being angry.

>>4510528
You can't associate one games decisions to another. Plus Genshin has always used Aether in marketing so it doesn't really count. And only have they always used Aether. Genshin is also far less waifubait than ZZZ so its not even really a fair comparison. Even early ZZZ didn't do what they're doing now.

>>4510516
Is reading taxing for your little brain or something? We have a shitty Nikke thread on this board and your Hoyoshit thread was compared to it. I even took your side, despite being disgusted by this Chinaslop made for the mentally ill yuribait losers.

>>4510522
What exactly did you not understand about the phrase "one-sided love isn't yuri"?

>>4510525
I said tangible difference. The difference you speak of is in the nuance, but I purely look at the end result, which is that none of this shit leads to yuri.
>leaves the chance for shipping
And I should give a shit about that why? Shipping is cope, an expression of wishing for something that isn't there. I want explicit yuri, not 100 imagined relationships.

>>4510528
>Romance stories don't stop being romance stories just because the romance is one-sided, dummy.
No no no, you can't get me with those semantics. There is no romance story here. The devs don't intend to pay off these one-sided feelings. The difference between a lesbian having a one-side crush and a romance story is that the romance story will resolve itself with explicit romance, slowpoke.

>>4510551
Ok I cam see you're just here to ragebait. You have been doing that for a few threads now.

>>4510554
This is the first time in a year I have come to this thread anon, and uncomfortable truths are not ragebait. It's telling that every time someone says something that contradicts your very limited worldview you instantly assume you are being trolled.
Nothing I said was wrong, was it? Truth is, it annoys you that you can't refute me, so you resort to deflections like this. Do what you must then.

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>>4510551
So by your logic an anime like Bad Girl where the main girl has a major crush on her senpai and her best friend has a crush on her should be compared to self insert anime like DxD when it comes to yuri? What kind of idiotic take is that. By your logic every yuri series is on the same level as yuri het series until the two girls actually confess and start dating.

>>4510552
Anon I have to ask why are you here then? You don't like the yuri in the games, you don't like the games themselves, and you don't like it when people ship or post fanart of pairings. Are you just here to make everyone as miserable as you before 2026?

>>4510555
>limited worldview
Anon you're crying over the yuri in gacha games. At some point there has to be some level of self awareness at how stupid you're looking.

>>4510552
>you can't get me by explaining out how my literal semantic bullshit deflection "one sided things are not yuri" is just wrong
>let me just keep shifting goal posts from "it will never have any yuri" to "it will never have yuri because one-sided yuri doesn't count" to "it will never have yuri because one-sided yuri that doesn't reach some arbitrary length of romantic story doesn't count"
Okay anon.

>>4510551
>I said tangible difference
Anon a guy is tangible though. You do know the meaning of the words you're using right?

>>4510555
But I... you didn't even... in the first place... eurrgh...!

>>4510557
Never saw Bad Girl and if you recommend it I probably shouldn't. As for your assertations, you are pretty off the mark. I will explain this one more time, because I can see you are a bit slow.

A romance story is a romance story because it promises explicit romance. If something is advertised as a yuri work, then you can expect yuri to happen, one way or another. The "one-sided crush" in those stories will NOT stay one-sided or eventually another REAL yuri pairing will emerge.
The same certainty cannot be afforded to stories that do not concern themselves with or indeed avoid explicit romance. We aren't even talking about subtext between two characters who might reciprocate here, we are talking about romantic feelings that CANNOT be reciprocated, because your shitty self-insert protag will not start a relationship with any fucking NPC. This is not an actual debatable thing, we know this goes nowhere. It is one-sided. ONE. SIDED. Yuri requires BOTH SIDES to feel love for each other. Do you understand now?

>you don't like the yuri in the games
Again, a complete misrepresentation of the facts. There is no yuri to dislike. There is no yuri at all in these games (except HI3 I guess). My disdain for this cycnical bait you people worship is valid.

>>4510558
Not as stupid as people who genuinely pretend that these games have yuri.

>>4510559
Oh another deflection, how unexpected!

>>4510560
Seriously? Literalism? And you accuse me of being too focused on definitions?
"A tangible difference" means a difference that is solid and changes results. I am focused on results. What you suggest is just changing the nuance on how to get to the same outcome, thus not a tangible change of said results.
Does that clarify my meaning?

>>4510563
Moving the goal post again. Anon get the fuck out of here if you're gonna keep bitching. It's clear no one wants you here and you don't want to be here. Also it's obvious you only don't want to watch the anime because it'll prove how stupid your logic is

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>>4510563
Ok so if you believe yuri is only when romantic feelings are reciprocated and the characters become a couple then why are you here complaining? Hoyo never marketed these games as yuri and neither did Nikke. But these threads are marked as yuri. So that's why there's yuri art and shipping in them. So by your own logic you have nothing to complain about here right? In this thread people are sharing yuri art of girls kissing that should meet all your retarded guidelines so why are you complaining? As you've stated the games aren't yuri, but the games never marketed itself as yuri so your complaints are on you right? No one here is posting images with guys. No one here is shipping the ladies with men. So you don't have to stay and police a thread for a game you've mentioned multiple times here and in the past you don't like.

>>4510565
The specifics are you stated tangible and when I called you out on it you tried to change your tune. Anyway there's no point in arguing with someone who came the the Hoyo thread just to bitch about yuri in gacha games. You're just a loser

>>4510555
>This is the first time in a year I have come to this thread anon
Anon please. Do you really expect anyone to believe you woke up and just randomly decided to come to the Hoyo thread and start talking shit about the games and the people that ship characters in it? Who goes to a thread on something they dislike to shit on it? Grow up anon. Whatever point you're trying to make is lost when you aren't even a fan of what you're arguing over.

>>4510576
I said there's no point in arguing with you so shut up, loser. Idiot. Loser.

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>>4510576
>"If you don't like something then just leave". No I'm gonna stay and keep complaining
And anon honestly thinks they are the one in the right. Everyone just ignore this guy

>>4510576
Gachafag, hoyodrone, Chinaslop. These are clearly words from someone trying to ragebait. You don't even play the games you're crying over

>>4510576
So you're basically being a faggot because some people's take on yuri is different from your own. On top of that it's in a game you don't play. Wow what a loser

>>4510576
>Capice?
No I don't, because your take is invalid, something is not delusional if I believe in it.
So there is no lack of yuri here for me, there is actual yuri, and you can't refute this no matter how desperately you try, because it's all up to me.
So once again, feel free to stop policing the thread, you are not welcome. Capice??

>>4510587
Thank you. Not sure why this person is here complaining as if that their opinions are facts

Ignore the loser damnit, ignore and report
Now, hurry

>>4510588
I'm replying to say you're a retard dor not just leaving people the fuck alone. I don't give a duck if you can tell or not. Fuck off loser.

>>4510588
loser creying cause losing

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>>4510591
Yeah it's best to ignore them. I don't care what they say and I'm not looking to start a conversation with them but this scene is pretty gay to me.

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Stelle x Asta always warms my heart

>>4510598
>Anyway, I will wait for proper responses.
Just because I'm a hoyofag, does that mean I'm expected to disagree with you?
You are right, you are not even stating uncomfortable truths, just what all of us here are aware of, we just like to play up our fantasies for fun sometimes. There's really nothing else to discuss about this.
Good job?

>>4510602
The people who replied to me and avoided actually properly addressing my points are the ones I told to properly respond to me, but clearly that was a pointless expectation.
Nice to see at least one person with common sense here though.

>>4510602
Don't talk to him. That'll make him feel the need to keep going and get more of his comments deleted. He's not right and should just he ignored

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So, is there any hope for these two? They seem to have reconciled at the end unless I'm reading it wrong.

>>4510649
No because they will never appear with each other again

Kind of crazy the new update for ZZZ is in 2.5 and not 3.0. I just logged on and it seems like they overhauled a lot of things.
Also, fuck Outposts. I hate this guild adjacent shit. Really hoping they don't pull some Path to Nowhere bullshit

>>4510649
>even if we rekindle what once was
In Chinese, The Dahlia says 即便是再续前缘 (even if our old relationship continued again as it was). 再续前缘 is used typically - though not always - for couples that get back together, however, she points out that it wouldn't work out anyway in the same line; make of that what you will.

Personally, it's hard for me to give any tangible amount of fucks about their past relationship because Constance/The Dahlia is merely a forced plot device that's unlikely to be utilized again, and Black Swan is, as always, a non-character. So they're *supposedly* bitter exes or some shit, okay. Any reason I should care about that?

Moreover, if BS actually stays on the train past 3.8 I fully expect them to use the same shitty bait & switch with her again someday. You can't win in HSR.

>>4510649
Let's be honest anon we won't see her ever again.

Speaking of The Dahlia does anyone else find her text messages to Stelle very out of character. I hate when they make characters Stelle isn't close to text her. It feels so forced hearing her say she cares about Stelle's opinion on things when they weren't close at all

>>4510668
>Black Swan is, as always, a non-character
This is HSR's core issue. So many characters just stop advancing as characters after their story. Now that BS got her story watch she'll quickly be a background character again like Sunday. Everyone keeps mentioning wait for Sparkle ro get her story down the line but does anyone care? Does anyone care about Acheron's future plot when Acheron now means so little. Jingliu is the same. It just feels so forced. Star Rail would've worked best without a gacha. The different planets has made its character building hard since you just know you won't see a character in forever. And when you do it feels so forced. At least with Genshin and ZZZ everyone is on 1 planet that makes them traveling to different areas reasonable

>>4510649
>character PV is a walmart-tier Rondo
nah it was dead on arrival, but at least they actually had some meaningful interactions in game

There's no way the idols are releasing in 2.6...right??
Got YSG because I like big numbers but now watching all the promo videos I don't care much for her anymore

>>4510682
They 100000000% are
Beta is this Friday too

>>4510668
>In Chinese, The Dahlia says 即便是再续前缘 (even if our old relationship continued again as it was). 再续前缘 is used typically - though not always - for couples that get back together
Is this the closest HSR came to "confirming" a lesbian relationship?

>>4510661
It's a pretty big update sure, also fuck those golden tickets
>Thanks for your support long time player, you can celebrate by spending more money!

>>4510812
Not really.

>>4510882
Any other examples? Other than Bronseele of course.

>>4510782
...at least they're handing out lots of polys this update so I'm not too worried
God please let us finally have a robot girl. Hell, I'll even take the Firefly approach of only seeing the model in combat.
Most likely not happening, but I do hope they work together as a team.

>>4510879
>Thank us by giving us money
I have no issue with spending events for whales, but the phrasing of it is dumb. The other QoL changes are great though.
Everyone knows the real 'thank you' event is Lunar New Year

>>4510885
Anon is saying that this isnt close to a confirmation.

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Holy, the new Shiyu is absolute ass.

>>4510974
They are also 100000% a team together, all 3 of them.
>>4511009
New shiyu is way more fun though. Old shiyu required as much time/effort (and was as boring as) doing my notorious hunt weeklies.

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>>4511009
>99982
Surely, you can manage 18 more points...

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>>4510649
Hopefully not, it would be retarded to kill Acheswan for a bootleg version that can't stand on its own and even had to steal the dance aesthetic. They are fine as exes, anything more is dumb

>>4511092
>to kill Acheswan
Is there anything to kill?

>>4511097
Yes, this has been discussed dozens of times before

Didn't think they could make an ugly Bangboo, but somehow they did. Everything about YSG has been such a huge bummer

>>4511092
>kill Acheswan
Pretty sure you can't kill what's already dead in the water, unless you mean fan dedication to that ship

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>>4511092
Acheron x Black Swan barely exists in game though

>>4511092
Acheron has effectively been written out of the game for the foreseeable future, and if - when - she appears again there will be an inevitable Kiana expy waiting for her in the Nihility arc.

As for Black Swan, there's a high chance she'll just leave after 3.8 for good.

>>4511132
Our favorite rock throwing boo is better anyways. Problem is there's only one, and this one belongs to Fufu.

>>4511132
it doesn't even look like a rabbit but an ugly dog

>>4511092
>bootleg version
they actually have interactions in the fucking game including the dance bit kek

if a low effort bait&switch has that much it's not looking good for acheswan

>>4511176
You mean the dance bit it copied from Acheswan?

>>4511145
Dahlia's story is already over and she has zero potential. Her banner flopped, so she will likely be locked in the basement

>>4511320
>You mean the dance bit it copied from Acheswan?
doesn't matter, the very fact that it's there in the actual game (along with Constance/BS flirting back and forth with each other) places it several tiers above any PV

>>4511320
Did her banner really flop? If so it just shows how dead break teams are

>>4511362
4chan thinks everything flops

>>4511362
Well, she seems to be the worst selling 1st phase banner so far which is pretty damning to be honest

>>4511342
You know what else was in the game? Constance saying only the TB ever satisfied her.

>>4511375
>Constance saying only the TB ever satisfied her.
fret not, Acheron will say this to nu-Kiana or Stelle in 5-7 years

>>4511362
They released her right after Cyrene, she was bound to sell less plus the fact that she is another superbrick supporter, when the dps are just... Firefraud, Cowboy dude and the forgotten Ninja girl, all of them fallen of meta super hard, there's just no reason to pull for her.

They should have released a SP version of Seele or Bronya, not a literal who character that will remain a literal who.

>>4511362
Break teams aren't dead.
A lot of players that played break are no longer playing. Most people left are relatively new or barely interacted with 3.x characters and as such have more than enough pulls to get a support.

3.x was also so extremely vile on powercreep most people are rightfully wondering how much sense there's in pulling this support right before 4.x. Though really, if they repeat this once more, the game will be a walking corpse anyways. Such short term development is not good. Genshin is also starting to head down this road, trying to fight this with largely useless "old character" buffs.

Shelf-time of characters shouldn't be <1 year. No way in hell. What happened to dot, break, as well as follow up over the time in Amphoreus was extremely fucking dumb and retarded. (well, dot's retardation started with Penacony already. They STILL don't know what to do with this shit)

>>4511418
There's only 1 really likeable break dps in Firefly. And if you want to add in Rappa there's only 2 break dps characters with like 6 sub-dps and support characters. Genshin is having issues but exploration and the way in which elemental reactions occur helps keep some characters usable still (Fischl and Mona come to mind). Like you said HSR characters stop being used period.

>>4511375
Her messages to Stelle feel like fanfiction. Why is she talking about family with Stelle? I hate when HSR tells us characters are friends but never shows it. Like with Acheron Stelle barely talked to Constance in a way that would imply friendship

>>4511375
This can happen with Black Swan too if she stays around, just saying

>>4511390
In this case it was necessary since they needed to fix Penacony's mess and Bronseele have nothing to do with it.

>>4511432
That would be too retarded even for hoyo's standards. Dahlia got it in the same patch she was released, doing it 10 patches later would be unprecedented. Usually they show if a character is gonna be ML bait or not early on

>>4511432
You know you mentioning Black Swan staying around really highlights a big issue I have with Sunday and BS. They both don't feel like Express members. They aren't with the crew in marketing or in any world quests/events. They would be way more interesting to people if the game treated them like part of the AE. Right now they are glorified visitors who sometimes do something in the main story. I hope one day BS is given a nonsensical story with Stelle and March to make her feel more part of the family, even if her stay if temporary. I don't think we've ever gotten 1 moment since they joined where they felt like an AE members.

>>4511435
Let's be honest, if there's one reason they won't do it with Black Swan it's because she ain't exactly popular enough to cash in on MLbaiting her

>>4511418
I’ve come to terms with it at this point and just hyperinvest in teams with characters I like so I can use them for a long time.
I have e2s1 FF + Constance, E2 Fugue, and E1 Lingsha (barely used because HMC is >>>) and the only time I went over 3c with them in MoC was in 3.6 iirc (+consistent 700+ AS and 40k PF).
I’ll be doing the same with Sakura’s team because it also has Hanabi in it.
>>4511430
Rappa benefits the least from Constance and my FF outperformed her in the PF we have up now (1c 40k vs 3c 40k; E2 Constance means the lack of IMG weakness on enemies is made up for by her on-entry implant).
I am comparing E2S1 to E0S1 but 5t is her home turf so she should at least be even.

>>4510661
Being in a casual guild is not some serious commitment in PTN or most other gacha games

>>4511459
She's not really popular period

>>4511548
I'll never forget that one drawing of Belle and Ellen from this artist

>robot girl is real
I'm genuinely so excited for Angel of Delusion's EP. I can't believe they're showing up in 2.6 and not 3.0. Needed this after what we have atm...

>>4511389
>Cyrene
Let's be real with yourselves it was less Cyrene that made all that money and more her and all the other meta characters that did.

>>4511886
Damn, so Aria's moveset is like the opposite of Seed. Her real (robot) form only briefly shows during her Ult and EX...

New Lumine skin reminds me a lot of Navia's outfit from the back. They're going to look so good together.

>>4511483
I dunno how you built your Rappa, but my e2 FF < e2 Rappa.
Also e2 Rappa = HMC with DDD s5 because I have Lingsha e1 with Luocha cone and that apparently slaps really hard if Rappa can't have imaginary weakness.

FF e2 wasn't able to 1 cycle PF for me. But I have e0 Dhalia. Rappa / Lingsha main dps both did.
Also Fugue needs to buff Lingsha all the time, it's worth if she buffs FF/Rappa.

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>>4512019
People actually rolled for the annoying discount Sakura character?

>>4512134
why did Swan do to deserve such treatment? can't she have a lovey dovey sex for once?

>anons saying trailers are canon again
Trailers are promotional and have always been that. If it doesn't show in game it literally has no bearing on the experience. I never watch the trailers since male mc is what hoyo pushes and I get to enjoy belle, lumine and Stella being absolute lesbian queens. Why is this even a discussion?

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>>4512118
People believe the 6th silhouette is Sandrone. Looks like Columbina will be reunited with her wife soon

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This artist needs to make a doujin of these two already

>>4512145
>If it doesn't show in game it literally has no bearing on the experience
The astra wise trailer is referenced in game

>>4512145
Acheswan got referenced in 3.8 although it was a minor reference but still

>>4512167
In the same scene it's treated as if it was belle instead so again what is the problem?

>>4512168
That is completely different. They didn't actually dance the way the trailer depicted. Plus outside of that small reference there's nothing. Astra is clearly into the MC.

>>4512269
For me I just say its Belle. I'm not a fan of Astra so I'm not that hung up on who they use for the PV. I will admit if they had Ellen or Jane all over Wise I'd be a bit upset.

>>4512285
Acheron and Black Swan mention the dance multiple times in their voice lines and story, there's a whole fucking lightcone saying they danced, we know Black Swan learned the thing about Duke Inferno, Constance said it was a dance and teased Black Swan for being jumpscared, what more do you want? Does everything need to be spoonfed to you?

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Potentially unpopular opinion but I find Nicole to be better looking than Alice in game.

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>>4512635
>yuri subtext
There's plenty of "subtext" in GI and HSR, R1999 and HBR are full on yuri though

>>4512640
Let's not get ahead of ourselves anon. There's occasional subtext not "plenty".

>>4512644
I mean, Rondo and The Dahlia PV (especially the former) are pretty damn powerful as far as the context thingie goes.

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>>4512668
Not true

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>>4512681
Since I don't care about these petty arguments I'm gonna post my favorite ship

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>>4512141
It is ok,Black Swan clearly likes it rough.

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It's something...ish?

>>4513541
I'd wait till Yae for "something"

>>4513572
Yae's the main push so she will just be waifuslop, just like every other main push before her

>>4513572
Anon... she's going to be the MLpush of 4.0

>>4513589
And? I play with Stelle.

>>4513541
Not really

>>4513651
TB ships never become canon either and the character is forgotten 5 minutes later to make room for the new waifu. It's the least romantic thing possible. At elast ships like Bronya x Seele don't get cucked like this

>>4513651
Sorry, anon, but waifuslop is still waifuslop regardless of your TB's gender.

>>4513708
Oh my god you're still going on with this mess. No one agrees with you

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>>4513697
Firefly says hello. Also when's the last time we've seen Seele?

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>>4513738
We wouldn't be seeing FF either if Penacony didn't need a retcon. When was the last time Kafka actually did anything besides talking about the keikaku? Or that March got proper focus? The TB stopped giving a single fuck about Castorice 1 patch after her pandering and Cyrene won't be seen for a long time either.

>>4513708
March just got a spotlight in Amphoreus

>>4513742
Even weirder about this critique when its not special to just Stelle ships. What about Jingliu? Or Rappa? Or Feixiao? Or Aglaea? Or any of the other characters forgotten thats not shipped with Stelle? That's not just a TB shipping issue but a HSR issue in general. Cerydra was damn near forgotten the moment her banner ended.

>>4513737
I agree with her

>>4513756
Then there's no helping you

>>4513751
At least the other forgotten ships remain together, usually. TB x waifu is just shipping a cuck with a slut who will dump her and find another woman 1 minute later. You can't believe it's true love when the TB gets 3 women in every new planet and mostly forgets about the previous ones.

>>4513748
She was sidelined hard for Dang Heng and the mandatory chinkslop pandering. He had screentime in all patches, meanwhile March only got a couple of scenes that explained fucking nothing and Evernight was befriended as quickly as she showed up. We already know all of DH's story and he got a bunch of additional useless shit no one asked for, meanwhile March only gave us even more questions

>>4513773
They don't though. We've seen Bronya many times without Seele. BS is with the Express and not Dahlia or Acheron. Not sure why you're trying so hard to push this false narrative simply because you don't like TB ships.

>>4513774
Can't you say the same for a majority of HSR characters? Why is this only an issue for Stelle ships? Just say you don’t like Stelle ships. That would be better than whatever you're trying to say.

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>>4513773
On top of that no characters are in love. Shipping is always been just a fun thing to do in game.

>>4513873
>BS is with the Express
Not for long apparently

>>4513877
I mean my point still stands though

>>4513878
It actually made me think whether BS and The Dahlia could indeed "rekindle" their relationship since Black Swan is leaving the AE, and they're both outcasts in the eyes of the Garden now. BS could still appear episodically, and the groundwork for The Dahlia's future involvement with Nihility has been laid as well in 3.8.

>>4513879
>and the groundwork for The Dahlia's future involvement with Nihility has been laid as well in 3.8.

How?

>>4513879
Why would BS still appear?
HSR already has issues with finding reasons for some of the former characters to appear.

>>4513938
Not the other anon, but she can come back when the rest of the Garden of Recollection/Remembrance plot happens. We still haven't seen all of Evernight and the evil Child of Anasrava in the Garden needs to be defeated

>>4513983
Pretty much this. For better or worse, Remembrance is now a very important part of the game's lore. Black Swan also has a vested interest in TB's future.

That being said, I think her relationship with The Dahlia will inevitably get memoryholed even if the latter appears again which seems unlikely to be honest

>>4513983
>>4513988
I never liked Star Rail's lore. None of it really connects and TB's life never really feels like it's connected to all this. For example does any of the Garden of Recollection stuff matter to Stelle?

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I wonder if some random Eimiko fags will ship Acheron with Sakura, like a few Elymei shippers tried Acherene.

>>4513988
>I think her relationship with The Dahlia will inevitably get memoryholed
I mean.. If 3.8 is any indication, Black Swan kinda hates Constance's guts and everything she stands for as a person

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I caught up to the story, all the way to chapter X of part 2 (I haven't played that yet) and I now need Sena to complete my Rita-exclusive team of Rita-Thelema-Senadina. I have a similar issue with Seele-Lamp(only works with World Star, really)-TBD. Vita also has her exclusive team of Vita-Coralie-HoFi.
Back to topic, here's my impressions of Part 2.
>Part2ers are very, very gay
>they are more subtle about it, especially Helia and Carolie
>Songque is so lucky to be Thelema's pet
>Thelema is so lucky to have Songque as a pet
>Baiji and Litost annoy me just as much as Otto and Kevin did back then
Part 2 started slow and weak, but now, I'm really invested in the story.

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>>4513923
She's fascinated with Acheron and the concept of Nihility in general. She did sell pretty bad though..

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Please don't ask me why I always mistype Coralie as Carolie.

>>4514335
I think the combination of lack of hype, the rush of her release, lack of break characters, and being in a pretty meh story hurt her sales. A week after her release and I don't think anyone was really talking about her.

I feel like Hoyo sent her out to die. They could've given her a bigger story to least get people that were on the fence gameplay wise to roll for her personality wise. The kiss of death was them teasing another Sparkle coming up after her banner. I have the feeling she'll be the next Jade.

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>>4514340
Oh and I forgot her debut was her and her gang getting bodied offscreen by Acheron.

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>>4514336
I always mistype it as Corelia

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>>4514271
Those first 2-3 chapters were so bad but now I like part 2 more than part 1 lol

>>4514335
She did sell better than Rappa, still bad but nowhere near what doomposters implied with her being the worst seller in the game.

>>4514340
>I feel like Hoyo sent her out to die
Pretty much. Between being a forced as fuck filler character in a retcon patch and being a superbreak support right before the 4.0 meta, her chances looked grim from the get go. Shame, I like her design.
>>4514347
I guess. 2nd worst seller after Rappa is still rather disappointing all things considered.

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>>4514344
Well, /hig/ sometimes jokingly calls her Calorie, so I guess it could be worse.
>>4514344
That's a bold take. In the end, no opinion is right or wrong. We saw much more of Kiamei or even Bronseele, but Part 2 is more recent. I'm just glad to see in Helia's arc that yuri is still at the very core of Honkai. Just like in Part 1, the story simply doesn't work without yuri. It's not just fan service (even though fan service obviously exists), it's not just an afterthought, it's the engine of the story and what makes or breaks this silly little gacha game.

>>4514351
Maybe if she we're a important character, but she is a literal who, in fact, if there something disappointing was Firefly fart story, it did nothing for her and got no discussion either.

>>4514354
>Firefly fart story
what
I have to say, as a long-time Honkai Impact player who played Star Rail right from release just to return back to Honkai Impact, abandoning Star Rail, the Firefly storyline might have been why I quit Star Rail. It wasn't that the male characters irritated me (they surely did, but I mostly ignored them), but that Penacony story felt so episodic. For the time being, it was great. You see, in Honkai Impact, I always think about how Seele's first battlesuit for example had a team leader buff that only triggers when you include Bronya in your party. If you wanted to play a break team in Star Rail, you had to play both Firefly and Imaginary Stelle. Neither really worked without the other. And still, it feels as if Firefly was degraded to just being an episode for Stelle while Honkai Impact thrives on long-term relationships. It's like Star Rail is much more casual and subtle. Even Bronseele felt so shallow and after Belobog, they were basically gone. All of this is so disappointing, but perhaps this is how gacha games work nowadays.

>>4514340
I can't imagine any bigger story for Dahlia. Hoyo fucked up by making Penacony super short, Dahlia should have been included and released alongside everyone else from that planet, and be part of an actual subplot instead of a whole retcon where she was literally everywhere. At the very least they could have removed Boothill and added her instead.

The Dahlia's role in 3.8 could've easily been fulfilled by Black Swan alone. It's painfully obvious they needed a filler banner for the patch so they hastily inserted her in the story, with predictable consequences.

>>4514347
Do you think this will make Hoyo reconsider Break characters. Or do you think this is more a sign filler characters just don't sell and they both happened to be break characters?

>>4514351
>I like her design
Me too. I like it way more than the new character that's releasing with Sparkle that looks like temu Evernight.

>>4514365
I would say its less how gach works and more Star Rail's concept fucking them. The story is supposed to be about Trailblazers traveling the stars. The issue is how do you write a story and have gacha for characters that go from planet to planet and don't have a need to return to the previous one. That's an issue Hoyo is still trying to figure out.

There's 0 reason the AE needs to return to any of the previous planets but they do, because they need to promote the next gacha character. Then the game most also bs reasons why creators unrelated to the events of said planet are there. For example the bs coincidences that Acheron, the AE, Firefly, and Dahlia would all been on Penacony at the same time. And Sunday just so happened to start setting his plan in motion while they were all there. They did a bit better with Amphoreus in explaining Herta being there but it still felt a bit forced.

Ultimately I think Star Rail writers are shackled by their own setup. So in order to counteract this people have to randomly show up on planets in filler stories and the game has to act like each planet is really convenient to get to and don't explain how some characters just pop up on other planets. Or even worse with Penacony why does characters Sparkle and Argenti stay when they don't live in Penacony.

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>>4514394
What's weird is that the game sets her and her gang up as this big evil organization. I bet in hindsight Hoyo would've never had Acheron wipe the floor with her and her gang. They would've made a fun two patch enemy that could've had her start as a villain and thanks to BS and Stelle slowly side with them. That could've closed the 3.x patches before 4.0 and would've given Dahlia something more to work with.

I'm also pissed Hoyo wasted such a cool character design with Caterina

>>4514402
I guess it will depend if they will release a new break dps that is on par with 4x characters or if they will keep treating break as firefly and her friends only, with everything revolving around trying to keep her relevant when her dmg falls out.

>>4514434
But how would they make Acheron seems powerful if she doesn't wipe the floor with those guys that we know nothing about?

>>4514434
Where would this fit? Before or after the main Penacony story? There isn't much room for more villains since Sunday's bullshit takes up a lot of screentime. I think Penacony would have been fine if only Dahlia showed up to start shit. Having 5 whole bad guys would be too messy and bloat the cast.

>>4514394
>The Dahlia's role in 3.8 could've easily been fulfilled by Black Swan alone
it's especially saddening when you realize that BS ends up doing little besides yapping a lot and getting used for yet another nu-hoyo bait&switch that predictably goes nowhere

3.8 was her last chance to become a bit more prominent and the devs wasted it on Constance

>>4514449
You know, it could also make more sense for them to accept her suggestion to go to Amphoreus. Like maybe after FF died and the TB got traumatized, Himeko and Black Swan made a trade: they accept to take her to Amphoreus and she accepts to temporarily lock the TB's memory until they find a way to save FF.

>>4514448
The thing is why would Dahlia show up? Personally I thought Sunday sucked as a villain because the AR had no stacks in the fight. Look at Belobog where the crew were deemed criminals and tasted first hand Cocolia's corruption. Or Xianzhou we fight Phantylia who like the TB is deeply connected with Nanook. Sunday doesn't even talk to the crew before his boss fight. I'd rather Duke be the villain to follow up not only his trailer but also the Space Station story. At least the AE would've been connected to the story and Duke attacking Penacony of all places could've been his way to gain favor with Nanook. There they could've given us a lovers, to enemies, to friendly exes story with BS and Dahlia as Dahlia joins the good team. And Acheron beating them would've been more satisfying.

>>4514465
>lovers, to enemies, to friendly exes story with BS and Dahlia
we can't have something like this in HSR...

>>4514466
True. I'm already worried about how they're gonna ruin new Sparkle. I'm also curious how they'll even introduce her since she doesn't really have a relationship with anyone of the crew. They are taking an old character and making her a new character without giving much character to the old one first.

>>4514468
HSR writers interchangeably uses closeness to the player and closeness to the actual character. The most egregious example of this is the text message that you exchange with some characters that you recruit. They don't really care that the characters aren't close, the players like Sparkle, so that's just as good as having Sparkle being close to Stelle.

>>4514466
Let's be honest here, HSR is a modern gacha for a wide audience, devs will always "bait" and then add plausible deniability to everything that resembles romance so that everyone can feel happy and pandered to, unfortunate as it is.

>>4514443
You dont dedicate a trailer to one off enemies, it's just silly

>>4514465
>The thing is why would Dahlia show up?
To finish the mission Duke Inferno gave her, since she always works hard to fulfill promises so she can backstab people harder later. Or to try to sabotage Acheron somehow.

>I'd rather Duke be the villain
The Annihilation Gang are absolute flops, they would be super anticlimactic as main villains. And if Sunday hogging the screentime was already bad enough, now it would be 5 people fighting for the spotlight.
Don't get me wrong, I also loathe Sunday as a villain and as a character in general, but I don't see how the AG would be much better. Phantylia connection to the AE or TB is a stretch, she was an absolute ass villain that came from nowhere. She's only relevant to introduce the Lord Ravagers

>>4514473
>The Annihilation Gang are absolute flops, they would be super anticlimactic as main villains
You can't say they're absolute flops and also have the game say that if Dahlia basically didn't chose to not follow that path, she would have ended up being a fucking lord ravager.

>>4514471
There's little to no plausible deniability with BS herself; her "waifubait" moments are very few and very shallow, it's actually the other party (Acheron, Constance) that never delivers in the end

>>4514508
>Acheron
What a fall from grace for a character (Mei) whose whole personality stands on this pillar of absolute and unwavering commitment to her one and only girlfriend!
In other news, this is why Elymei could never work.

>>4514508
>very few and very shallow
Yet they do exist and that (along with some other bits) constitutes "plausible deniability". In any case, almost all ships in Star Rail are very shallow and subject to lots of headcanon so there's that.

I wonder if all of this shallowness isn't by design. Less about Winnie the Pooh and more about modern gacha logic.

>>4514509
Mei is canonically a womanizer, since in every different game she has a new girlfriend. She did have some flings and one night stands before commiting to Kiana too

>>4514543
If you don't know what you're talking about, you can just say nothing, anon.

>>4514543
Hard disagree.
Without Mei's full commitment to Kiana, the story of Honkai collapses in its entirety.

God I hate this new Shiyu defense. Season 2 sucked ass. Don't even think a Sunbringer tease can save this for me anymore

>>4514473
How can you say they should still have Dahlia and then say the Annihilation gang is a flop. She's a part of the gang. You should just say remove all of them altogether at then. No one gave a fuck about Acheron in Penacony and a major complaint was that the story would've been the same without her.

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>>4514470
Dahlia is this too. She texts Stelle about family and all I could think was why.

>>4514509
Acheron has to be one of the hardest fall offs ever. Every other nihility team is better without her on it. Even Firefly still has some uses and is still getting new characters to make her somewhat still usable.

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>>4514553
She commited to Kiana in heart, but still strayed a little before leaving the World Serpent. You can't tell me the devs did all that teasing with Raven and Elysia for no reason. She only started dating Kiana after all this though and then settled.

>>4514634
Cause at least Dahlia could be morally grey and interesting, she has more potential than most of the actual Penacony cast. Same for Acheron, they fumbled her, but it's easy to fix it. Her biggest issue with Penacony seemed to be that it would drive people to Nihility, before hoyo pulled the random bullet plot from the deepest part of their asses.
Several Penacony characters could be removed without changing much or anything at all, so I'd rather they at least included the most interesting ones.

>>4514475
You are only proving my point though? If she remained in the AG she would be a literal who. She would only become a LR if she joined the Stellaron Hunters, which she might not have done if Acheron never killed Duke Inferno, since she'd still have a gig. AG and SH aren't particularly rivals (the SH helped the Everflaming Mansion at some point, it seems), so joining them wouldn't be betrayal enough.

>>4514658
But without her gang would anyone care? "I got heat offscreen but came to Penacony to get beat again" would be her story. That to me sounds lame. No one would care to see to background Penacony characters clash while Sunday is still the main enemy.

>>4514658
>If she remained in the AG she would be a literal who
I'd argue without the gang she's a literal who. She's such a literal "who are you" that her personality, voice, and plot feels so different from what it was when we first met her during the AG trailer. She's such a nobody she debuted on a planet that has nothing to do with her, isn't even setup as trying to get some grand revenge on Acheron, and is just used for exposition and for Hoyo to write a better ending in their minds for Penacony.

I think the only way to truly fix Dahlia is by not having her on Penacony and HSR first giving development to BS so that when Constance debuted we cared for her and BS interacting. I feel like Rappa was given more character development than Dahlia, and I hate Rappa.

>>4514646
She didn't stray at all and didn't just settle after her World Serpent episode.
Haven't you played Thunders over Nagazora?
She "distances" herself from the Tuna to protect her, that's her sole motivation for that whole World Serpent and Elysian Realm arc. Everything is Kiana. She's very vocal about it and reinforces this when she becomes the Herrscher of Origin.
It just took some time to get revealed, that's all and this is why their love seemed so one-sided in the beginning.
In a way, this is like Helia and Coralie. We get to know them as two valks who seemingly hate each other, but during Helia's arc, we learn that Coralie has always been at the heart of her motivation, it's all about Coralie and her arc would make no sense without Coralie.
Chapters 1 to 3 were so shit exactly because the characters weren't fully introduced yet, Part 2 still had a lot of worldbuilding to do: a lot of techno mumbo jumbo that has been awful and jarring ever since Kolosten and little meaningful character growth.
It has always been there, but it wasn't revealed until later. Up until this point, those were just "very polar opposites in character".
Honestly, this is also what I like about Part 2: It still proves that yuri is at the very core of what Honkai is. Plain and simple. No yuri no Honkai.
yeah okay, this strays far away from the main point now, but still.
I'm still convinced that Mei has always been all about Kiana exclusively and that Mei can't work properly as a character if you ignore Kiamei's tragic yuri.

>>4514707
I don't think Kiamei ever felt one-sided, just that they weren't dating yet in the earlier chapters. Like they loved each other strongly, but still not dating. And I do think it is THE endgame ship. Despite seeing Raven and Elysia as teasing, I never thought it would work as the final ship, I just think there was still something gay in there that could be explained by Kiamei only actually getting together after they reunite. Kinda a dogshit example, but like how in Arcane Caitvi kiss, break up, then Cait fucks Maddie before they reunite. I don't think anyone considers it cheating or Cait caring less about Vi

>>4514664
It's a bit lame, but at least it wouldn't completely throw the AG video away, and she would feel less shoehorned than when she literally kidnapped us and forced the retcon down our throats. It's still wild how the TB just accepted it, even though Dahlia was stabilished as a pathological liar.

>>4514712
Not sure how many people here play R1999 but I heard HI3 does the same thing so you say it anyway. Dahlia's story desperately needed to be it's own story with someone else (maybe BS) as the MC of it. It just doesn't fit with the AE and you can tell the devs had to force it to fit. What I don't get is they already did a story with BS as the MC with her and Sparkle. I'm guessing they knew people didn't like it or they thought Sparkle being only shown with BS will make her later appearances feel even more forced when BS isn't around. Luocha and Jingliu also had stories without the AE and look how much people forgot about them. Maybe they thought Constance would end up completely forgotten and locked to only showing up around BS if she didn't interact with the crew. The issue there is she still has no reason to interact with the AE without Black Swan by the end of the story.

>>4514712
Yeah perhaps I'm too hostile to anything that goes against Kiamei. In my eyes, Raven and Elysia have never really been yuri coded in themselves. Raven's emotional anchor is not love for another woman, but care for children, most notably Sora. Elysia is about all-encompassing love for the very concept of humanity, she can't be emotionally exclusive by design while the driving yuri pairs have to be emotionally exclusive to shoulder the weight of literally the whole story.
Mei just seems very calm about her feelings in the beginning, it's Kiana who totally loses her composure and restraint every single time Mei comes up, even in chapter 1.
Perhaps this is me reading too much into this? Or too little. I might also be pretty strongly influenced by Helia's arc since I just played this recently while chapter 17 was about 5 or 6 years ago. And this is why I see that revelation of Mei's feelings at a much later stage even though it has always been there. After all, this is basically Helia, it took some time into Part 2 before her feelings could properly get explored.

>>4514764
>The issue there is she still has no reason to interact with the AE without Black Swan by the end of the story.
Honestly, that's exactly the reason why I believe Constance and Black Swan will inevitably get more content in the future. Well okay, it might be a bit of a pipe dream but I choose to believe.

>>4514764
>Constance would end up completely forgotten and locked to only showing up around BS
Jokes on them, the fan content is pretty much only Dahlia with Black Swan or threesomes with Acheron, and she is still being forgotten.

>>4514765
I kinda get it, I've seen a fair amount of weirdos who shit on Kiamei to push their ships, usually Elymei

>>4514800
>push their ships
This is so odd in the context of Honkai. The game defies modern gacha logic of yuri for show and that every character is first and foremost eye candy who is theoretically available for the self-insert MC (usually a guy).
Any ambiguity in Honkai feels more like "plausible deniability" to evade Winnie the Pooh's ban hammer. You know, stuff like
>Bronya and Seele share a kiss as "friends"
>Do they actually kiss at the end of the credits of the Seele animated short?
>Mei says that Kiana is the most important person in her life, but she never outright says that she loves her
Not every character pairing is yuri, but the yuri ones demand full commitment and they define the characters involved. There's simply no space for alt ships because this would go against the logic of the girls involved. I guess it's fun to ship "Seele" and Senti for example, but that's because neither of them have a yuri arc. Helia and Coralie might be much softer on the yuri, but this just looks like China getting more restrictive as time goes on. The emotional language, emphasis on subtext and exclusivity is just the same like in every Part 1 couple.

>>4514807
>Any ambiguity in Honkai feels more like "plausible deniability" to evade Winnie the Pooh's ban hammer
I swear this is Dehya x Candace in a nutshell. They are obviously dating. They are almost always together or talking about each other. Dehya mentions getting Candace a fit from Fontaine. Its so obvious but Hoyo knows they can't outright say they are a couple. Though its yaoi Al and Kaveh are the same. Its crazy how a company that generates billions of dollars still has to conform to China's laws of no lesbians allowed. You'd think Hoyo would get a pass. Didn't they have to remove Jeht kissing Lumine?

Though considering Arknights has a confirmed lesbian and R1999 has a few obviously gay characters as well why can't Hoyo at least admit the characters are gay.

>>4514800
>the fan content is pretty much only Dahlia with Black Swan
More like Black Swan with Dahlia, the latter still gets plenty of solo fan content.

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>>4514847
Let me try to find a reasonable answer, but mind you, I might have played HSR from release up to Penacony, but I'm a HI3 player. I have no idea who Dehya and Candace are.
>MHY is just too big
Sure, R1999 and AK are also giants when it comes to gacha games, but Mihoyo invests in the fucking Chinese space program, in fusion reactors and schools. They can't get a pass especially because they are that big.
>China already punished them for other offenses
Sure, tax related. Still, it's an totalitarian socialist dictatorship. My parents could tell you a story or two about their Stasi files... once you got caught, you have to play it extra safe and this is what Mihoyo does.
>HI3 at least works differently
The player character is absent, it's all about the girls and their relationships. Even Entropy isn't just "the player", she has her own agency. It's more of a yuri game with gacha elements than a gacha game with yuri elements. They can't out any character because this strikes the very core of who they are, they aren't just someone.
>everybody knows anyway
Once again, plausible deniability. Everybody knows, nobody is allowed to say anything. They walk on a knife's edge and every little misstep could be fatal. It works, the fans filled in the blanks, there is no need to disturb their balance for something that would get punished hard.

>>4514853
To be fair hi3 is bring pretty blatant and even still devs admitting to shipping characters.
Then again I wouldnt be surprised if the whole dreamseeker loves but 'actually loves seba like her mom but also not really' was soecifivky written to give themselfe possible deniability with hie gay they nade Sena and laylah while still keeping dreamseeker x Sena ship.
But that wouldn't explain them being you blantabt with sonwue and thelema
Hell dreamseeker had a whole confession but was aware that she can't just admit love

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>>4514853
Arr you new here? I get not playing Genshin buy after all these threads how can you not know who Dehya and Candace are?

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>>4515067
I usually just keep to Honkai stuff and try to keep quiet about characters I don't know. If I don't play the game, I can't experience them first hand, I can't ever do them justice.
I know Vita and Sparkle, though.
They fuck.

>>4514853
The HI3 point doesn't make much sense anon. How can a yuri game not out any character as a lesbian if they are a lesbian? By not having them directly state they are lesbians but teasing them as such is just pandering subtext. That doesn't really make it a yuri game. That's like saying Love Live is a full on yuri franchise because there's no guy and a lot of subtext in it.

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truly the harem protagonist of HSR

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>>4515127
Two girls isn't a harem. That's a love triangle anon

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>>4515128
In that case it's more of a (love)hate triangle but I'll take it

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>>4515129
form the perfect love rhombus

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>>4515129
This is a lie. Evernight only cares for March and maybe Stelle.

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>>4515127
>leaves in 4.0
>refuses to elaborate
>her ships go nowhere
why can't we have nice things in Honkai: Star Rail

>>4515139
because it's a sitcom

>>4515139
To be fair Black Swan as a character never went anywhere.

>>4515147
Many such cases in HSR

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>>4515121
Da Wei openly stated that Kiamei are a couple for example way back in the days and Bronseele's actual kiss had to be retconned that they are merely "friends". They can't out any character because China and because MHY is too big. That vocal declaration is a strength in the West, but suicide over there. HI3 just communicates like this: Everybody knows what this means, but nobody is allowed to say this.

>>4515208 (me)
They can' out any character now anymore, this have changed over there.

>>4515208
Why do you keep making it sound like just a HI3 thing? Black Swan and Constance, Dehya and Candace, Ningguang and Beidou. All these are examples of super gay pairings that fit the same thing. Then there's Jeht that basically is written to favor Lumine in every way and even had her kissing Lumine removed.

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>>4515223
NTA, but the main difference to me, is that HI3 has acutally fully fleshed out arc dedicated to these relationship instead of a few somewhat filrty line once every half a year, whenever the writers remember these characters exists.

>>4515223
>Black Swan and Constance, Dehya and Candace, Ningguang and Beidou
One of these is sadly not like the others.

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>>4515234
accurate image title. even when mhy still could pull this off, they (usually) didn't label this and why do they have to? even a blind person sees what they mean.
>>4515239
>fully fleshed out arc dedicated to these relationship
that's the thing, yes. they show absolute devotion to one other woman and noone else. nothing of this is episodic or just some fotm, it's everlasting for these women. honkai teaches you to read this properly.

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>>4515239
That doesn't make sense. The issue is the yuri not how long it shown. By that logic a 2 season anime that exploring a lesbian relationship should be seen as being more gay and /u/ than a yuri OVA.

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>>4515254
Again this makes no sense. The examples used are of appearing that are predominantly shipped together.

>>4515277
No, that's the difference between a yuri anime and a shonen anime who happened to have a few yuri moments. If you take those moments in a vacuum, you could call both of those yuri, if you want, I don't care,but at the end of the day, I prefer to watch a yuri anime.

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>>4515278
Anon, I don't get you. Is yuri just porn for you? Just fanservice? Just a set of checkboxes, shallow "representation" at the cost of a shit and dull story?
You're right, Honkai isn't about this, not even about fanservice in the first place. It's a scifi/action/rpg gacha with a heavy emphasis on its story and this story is driven by women whose whole motivation are other women, they even put these women above the namesake threat of the game, the Honkai. Some are mentors, some are lovers. It's not just some surface-level eye-candy, their bonds make or break the story, they mean something.
I really don't get what you want more.
I would even argue that labels would make the game less interesting because they are redundant - I want to explore WHY they care, love and act. Honkai doesn't name it, but it shows what it means.

>>4515279
Well I prefer to watch yuri. I'm gonna end it here because you've strayed away from my original post anyway.

>>4515283
What the hell are tou talking about? Anon you should take your meds because you're making no sense. I'm not gonna bother reading what you wrote and kindly ask you don't respond to me if you're gonna throw around random ass comments like this

>>4515285
okay, i get it now. you're a literal retard.

>>4515286
Ok I see you're just a troll that wants to attack people. I'll promptly ignore you then

>>4515287
What I get out of your posts is that you don't even want to engage with the game and just want to goon.

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