Marimite LNs are mostly translated. And they aren't that hard to read do your Anki

>>4514563
I gave up on learning Japanese, with the time I will spend learning the language I would rather just play vidya. Maybe if I was still in college I would continue my classes but work gets in the way.

>>4514037
Marimite does have some explicit yuri in it. But only for certain couples. It is considered a bridge between Class S garbage and yuri for a reason.

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>>4514037
>this can be discussed here, right?
It's literally recommended in the /u/ sticky
Haven't watched it in a few years but I remember it being really comfy and Sei is still the greatest player among anime lesbians

>>4514037
Read Dear Flowers that Bloomed in the Days of Yore

That's not what Class S means. Nobuko Yoshiya, the most famous writer of those stories, was an out lesbian and frequently wrote about sexual love affairs between girls. Her characters will frequently sooner commit double suicide than allow anyone to separate them.

>>4514935
People twisted the meaning (for their own convenience). Class S can be seen in a similar way to what tentacles were in the first place, an anti-censorship measure, but that was lost over time, since Class S was the only way they could show love between girls and certain people wouldn't complain about it.

>>4514935
Nobody wants to read stories where lesbians commit lovers suicides. This is a limitation of the era, not something the romanticize.

>>4514941
Class S is defined by censorship and Japanese society being garbage to women and especially lesbians. It doesnt matter if you consider it "twisted", it just reflected the reality of the situation. It's just depressing, unsatisfying, shitty defeatism. Lesbians who can only stay together as a "phase" and either have to choose death or marry a man after those youthful days are over.

It's good that Class S died and everyone who is trying to bring it back should be punched int the gut till they vomit up their organs.
Yuri exists beyond those limitations of the past.

>>4514948
>>It's good that Class S died and everyone who is trying to bring it back should be punched int the gut till they vomit up their organs.

The problem is when people confuse bait with Class S, when the latter can be considered a genre in itself, the former is simply bad writing and an author/director being a son of a bitch who pretends he is being intelligent or directly thinks he knows what he is doing.

>>4514951
Class S isnt bait, because the negative outcome was the default. Nobody reading a Class S work expected anything good from it, especially the more commonly popularized Class S garbage from the 60s-80s.
And I very much consider Class S badly and lazily written. You can only read "And then they gave up their 'childish' feelings for each other and got married to men" so many times until it becomes clear that there was no value to this expression. This doesn't address the struggles of lesbians in a meaningful way, especially when repeated ad nauseum. The main attraction to people who read that shit is that vague ephemeral feelings of a """"pure"""" relationship before moving on to reality.

Yuri is capable of doing anythingh Class S did without getting stuck in its stifling niche.

>>4515005
Class S uses the excuse of the era and that times were different, but the bait examples have no real justification. Why even suggest the slightest possibility of yuri if the Het route was the only true option all along? Any justification is just an excuse to pretend that it was something "good" and "necessary."

>>4514941
>certain people wouldn't complain about it
The word you're looking for is men. When women were no longer able to write Shoujo for a decade, men kept on writing and shifted the framing of experiences about young girls to girls needing to find a guy

>>4515053
>> girls needing to find a guy
Yes, I vaguely remember someone mentioning how Shoujo manga felt like manuals for getting a husband.
Although I wouldn't know if this in itself was the reason for the decline of Shoujo manga, some people complained that some of those manga relied on fanservice to stay relevant; I remember someone mentioning Sagagebu as one of those cases.

>>4515059
I'm specifically referring to the early 19th century. By the time women were allowed to write again that overton window shifted and almost a generation of girls grew up on moid written romance written from their perspective

>>4514918
I am reading it and I love it.

I certainly did not expect the thread to swing in this direction. When I think of yuri, I think of a romantic relationship between two girls. What I saw in MariMite was, and the whole onee-sama and imouto relationship was a whole, was not entirely based on romance yet had a bond between the two girls.
WataYuri probably puts it in better words where it's a romantic relationship but without the romance. I don't know how to classify it but coining it as yuri doesn't really fit the bill.

>>4515076
Once again, Marimite has excplicit yuri couples that stay together, something Class S almost never achieved. It is also one of the prime examples of glorifying Class S style ambiguity about female/female relationships on other pairings.
That's why it is a transitional piece. Proper yuri started right after.

>>4515144
>something Class S almost never achieved.
Class S is a retarded invention by western dekinais with no exposure to japanese literature. S culture had plenty of stories that had this, the single most famous S culture novel had the girls end up together.
But you have never read any of them and only random shoujo you think has anything to do with that entirely fictional "class s" genre.

>>4515164
No, you are just a moron with tunnel vision. You see a single author from an era where Class S wasnt even big yet and pretend she is representative of the entire genre. She never was. The body of Class S works exceeds her stories by the thousands.
You are a retard in denial. The only brainlets who defend Class S garbage are usually weeaboos without any actual clue about Japanese literature or manga culture in the 60s to 80s.

>>4515164
>invoking the fake trope of "le ignorant westerner" and using cultural relativism to disguise the defense of the inherently anti-yuri genre such as class s
Transparent tactics of an anti-yuri weeb.

>>4515318
I don't think most of Nobuko Yoshiya's novels were even translated to English (let alone anything more obscure than her) so it's pretty fair to say EOPs are in no position to weigh in on historical trends in Class S

>>4516475
No, you absolute retard, even if you can't read the original japanese (which even Japs have trouble with because its so old), the history is well fucking known. There are summaries of all her works and the general idea is clear you absolute fucktard.
Noboku as already pointed out was a fucking outlier, an exception and from an era where Class S wasn't even big. The genre got big in the 60s-80s. How many times does this shit need to get repeated till you get it?