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After watching this I started rewatching scenes and studying them in a new light. It has really helped me appreciate all the subtle details that made Iroha and Kaguya's attraction so iron clad.

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There are only a few days of fanart so far but it is quickly accumulating. This one was beautiful so I made it my desktop background.

>>4520159
let's address the elephant in the room: is there a kiss or anything close to it?

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>>4520159
>I'm expecting you to give me 3 words in response
>If you understand then why's my right hand empty?
>Come and fix that, won't you please?
>I'm not being selfish, I just know what I deserve
>I want you to love me from the bottom of your heart and see how cute I am
Rewatching this scene in particular really makes me smile. The song itself was so romantic on the first watch since it looked like it was about Kaguya getting jealous when Yachiyo gets to sing the part about getting an "I love you" and a wedding ring. Knowing the twist adds so many extra layers to the entire song and also to all the small expressions that they animated in this scene.

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>>4520162
Just hand scissoring, hand kissing, hand holding, marriage proposal and acceptance, cohabitation, and one very big reason that I will not ruin for you even with a spoiler. If a kiss is a dealbreaker then just watch Sakura Trick first to fill your kiss quota in preparation to brave a movie without mucous membrane contact. The premise of this movie is wildly, explicitly romantic while being too chaste like the hets usually get in their big budget films. Go watch it now so you can experience it without spoilers and then ride the wave of popular yuri artists flocking to this movie with fanart like moths to the yuri flame.

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Watching the early scenes again is something else knowing that Kaguya later says she fell in love with Iroha's beauty at first sight.

>>4520162
Lol no

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There is some damn cute fanart out there already.

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I'll convert the hand scissoring into webms tomorrow if no one has any posted by then. I'm hoping the guide book will dedicate an interview question to help explain who came up with this brilliant feat of animation.

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>>4520168
It's like never saw wives kiss with their fingers before

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More than anything, watching this made me so pleasantly obsessed. I rarely get to feel thoroughly hooked by a story after finishing it. I am nearly in disbelief that they were able to pitch a yuri retelling of a japanese fable to big business and end up with a multimillion production budget. The reviews are all positive and I really hope is a hit. This gave me hope that kaguya is only the first big budget yuri movie in a long line.

>>4520159
>Official Guidebook Beyond the Happy Ending releases on January 30th
How 'hot' is the book? I'm tightening my belt a bit after whaling on watanare doujins, and I would like to wait at least until next month salary to also whale on this.

I'm always happy for surprise yuri movies. I am also extremely wary of the kind of mainstream stuff some anons here pretend to be yuri. There are idiots out there who claim Takopi's Original Sin is yuri after all. Like unironically.
But OP is doing a good job shilling it, so I will give this a go just in case. Will report later whether this is actually yuri or not.

>>4520177
I will never see eye to eye with yuri gatekeepers and elitists so it's a good thing general threads exist

>>4520175
If it is like other fan/guide books I have from previous anime, it is mostly interviews and concept art. My guess is it will have a few new pieces at the beginning and end, probably related to the MV animation being released. Someone will scan it if you want to save your money. I see melon is already out of stock but Amazon probably has a ton of them. I preordered it along with the other books since the the total is only about $30 for all 3.

>>4520177
If you can think of a good way to sell someone on the yuri without giving away the ending please share. I would have been so sad if I didn't get to go into this blind. The surprises wrung the tears from me.

>>4520159
really a fantastic movie. despite the obvious pacing issues, it's just fun from start to finish with creative animation, a creative story, really fun characters and superb yuri. i wish we got more!

>>4520180
Shit... I'm picking it up sooner rather than later then. I'm a paperfag, so this shit is in my alley.

>>4520178
I'm not an elitist for wanting explicit yuri. That is the baseline. Takopi has literally zero yuri in it, yet some claimed it was a yuri anime/manga because of 30 seconds of two character being shown as friends by the end.

>>4520180
>to sell someone on the yuri without giving away the ending please share
I gotta watch it before I actually know. Be back in a couple of hours.

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So if she never found someone she wanted to marry she wouldn't have been taken? Fucking moon people basically saw her slowly becoming a happy house wife, said "nope", and had her return to her dead end job filing paperwork.

>>4520187
They weren't going to let her get away with marriage until she finished her job.

>>4520189
She did say she finished all her work and put up a replacement (which if you interpret the picture right was probably a literal bot version of herself), so strangely enough she actually could have gotten away with it. That's probably also why the Lunarians didnt come for her a second time... unfortunately that was kinda bad for her this time.

>>4520199
She said she blitzed through her work yet it still took her so long that Iroha was an old lady by then. She would've never been able to free herself of her responsibilities and be with Iroha while she was still young.

>>4520177(me)
Well I did watch the whole movie now.
Fuck.
In easy terms, this is yuri. In uneasy terms, Kaguya's love for Iroha was stated explicitely over and over and I would have to be the worst piece of shit contrarian in the universe to claim after all Iroha did that she does not requite those feelings.

There is so much pain in the way things ended, but things are complicated and a lot of things are vague enough to be up for interpretation regardless.

My main confusion is why Yachiyo and Kaguya both seem to exist by the end. I mean I could understand that Yachiyo's consciousness was uploaded into the robot boy, but you can only copy, not actually transfer consciousness in data. So technically there are two Kaguya's now. The Yachiyo in the robot body acting more like the original Kaguya might be just some anime magic or it's because body and self-image align like that. Of course it would be cruel to "delete" the Yachiyo inside Tsukiyomi, so she was kept around. At least that's my guess.
Of course with robotics and all, eventually Iroha would grow old while Kaguya/Yachiyo wont which feels like a second tragedy, especially because the original Kaguya seemed to be capable of aging properly and was biological despite coming from data. Lunarian tech is fucking weird. But one of the Mirage trio even said he wanted a robot body like his avatar, so I have a feeling this is the beginning of physical transcendence for humanity.

>>4520200
Yeah that's why she had to time travel in the first place

>>4520201
>boy
*body
What a fucking blunder.

I think the Yachiyo still inside Tsukuyomi is simply a copy, we've seen she can split up to appear to multiple people at once during her performances. The original Yachiyo is the one inside the Kaguya bot. You can see several instances throughout the movie where she still acts playful like Kaguya, so once she's back in her body with Iroha in the real world she's just able to fully behave like her old self again.

>>4520206
Meant for >>4520201

>>4520206
I have some issues with this interpretation for several reasons.
Yachiyo directly stated that her "disembodied soul" was stuck inside her space pod. This implies to me that she has an actual data soul. Her ship and thus her soul are directly linked to the Tsukiyomi server which she created. That would mean, in my opinion, that Yachiyo in Tsukiyomi is still the "real" Kaguya who suffered for those 8000 years waiting. Then the question remains whether the Kaguya robot is actually a copy OR a remote controlled drone in a sense. The soul inside the space ship is controlling the robot body through the Tsukiyomi server... something like that?
Also in regards to her personality, while I agree that some traces of the original Kaguya were still in Yachiyo, she was clearly heavily wheathered by 8000 years of solitude and loneliness without Iroha. It felt like her happy-go-lucky attitude was mostly an act for most of the movie. I can accept that being with Iroha again, in a body that feels more like herself is a way to rejuvinate her old personality, but in the first place she CHOSE this Yachiyo form to represent her in Tsukiyomi. I doubt it was just to close the loop, she clearly thought of herself as a different person. That's why when her younger "real" kaguya version said she wished she was more like Yachiyo to win over Iroha's love, Yachiyo replies that its Kaguya who Iroha really wants.

>>4520209
Ultimately I think establishing which one is the original is kind of a superfluous distinction to make since both the Kaguyabot and the virtual Yachiyo are the same being. For what it's worth, during those 8,000 years Yachiyo says she uses Fuchi's sea slug body as a medium to communicate with humans so it could be that her soul is in the internet and her physical bodies (Fuchi, the Kaguyabot) are conduits or "remote drones". By this logic, her flesh Kaguya body she made in the telephone pole was also just a conduit and not any more "real" than the others. You can tell at the start that her first space ship strikes a power line and turns into electricity until the baby materializes in the pole. Her soul must still be somewhere in the lunarians' internet-like plane of existence.

Yachiyo gets playful while interacting with Iroha. I feel moments like when she flirts with her while performing World is Mine and Kaguya gets all jealous are completely genuine. The original Kaguya was still inside her all along waiting to come out.

>>4520211
I think the distinction is VITAL actually, because it is the difference between TWO Kaguyas existing and just one existing that controls several forms.
I think having two seperate Kaguyas/Yachiyos here would actually cause a lot of problems of identity and also feel a bit uncomfortable. I much prefer the remote controlled body theory.
However I don't think that the "real" Kaguya is in the Lunarian network. I think she genuinely escaped from that moon space or she wouldn't have needed to return in the first place. And as the data that went through the powerline created a REAL flesh and blood body, I cannot accept that it is the same as just a remote controlled drone. At first I thought the bangle was like a transmitter, but she could persist without it after she gave it to Iroha. On the other hand, the only reason Iroha's song could reach Kaguya on the moon was clearly because Iroha sang into the bangle.
In conclusion I believe that Kaguya only has one soul that actually travels on the space ship and because of the crash landing it is stuck in there.

In regards to Yachiyo's actions with Iroha, I will say it again there are clearly traces of the original Kaguya in her, especially her undying love for Iroha is eternal. But I still think her personality shifted after all that time. Enough that she herself felt a distinction between young Kaguya and herself. Even Iroha seems to think so. When she said "Kaguya never made a sad expression like that", it distinctly felt like she was drawing a line between the two. But when she absorbed all the memories of Yachiyo, Iroha also changed and accepted this version of Kaguya as real.
I find the sudden personality shift jarring is all, but I am not claiming that it's completely absurd.

On a side note, Iroha clearly having a crush on Yachiyo since before she ever met Kaguya was really interesting all things considered.

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I'm ngl the fakeout ending almost got me because I'm so used to japanese stories ending with the protagonist giving up on exciting things to become a soulless office drone, so I'm glad they actually stuck with the girls getting their happy ending

>>4520218
Typical "I will treasure those memories" garbage. Totally believable for the genre. But then I looked at the runtime left and I knew this movie is better than that.

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>netflix logo
>expect nothing
>got yuri kino
BASED

>>4520226
I mean Netflix just buys licenses for good movies and shows all the time. It's not a Netflix production.

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The message in their songs makes a whole lot of sense when you watch the movie for a second time.
Yachiyo is pretty bold

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I love all the quick expression changes in this movie, Iroha just stops functioning whenever Yachiyo gers flirty.

>>4520230
What's that absolute shit video quality?

>>4520232
Both webrip and webl releases give me shit artifacts.

>>4520233
Watch it on hianime in HD if you cant afford netflix.

>>4520233
It's definitely a problem with your player. What are you using?

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>>4520234
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>>4520232
It's clearly Netlfix shit compression issue when it comes to dynamic scenes.

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>>4520237
Using the same release but in another scene.

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>>4520238

>>4520238
The movie had quite a few meme faces in it. As in references to other manga and anime. This Bocchi meltdown was funny, but there was also a Jojo reaction face at some point.

>>4520238
Iroha the Rock

>>4520237
Trix's AV1 release looks nothing like that. Either Erai ripped it at a ridiculous bitrate, fucked up the HEVC encode, or you're using a player without the necessary codecs. Or you compressed the quality out of that webm.

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>>4520243
Looks like Erai fucked up somewhere then

>>4520230
>>4520247
timestamp? forgot around where in the movie this is and i want to compare

>>4520254
Filename. 1h23m32s

>>4520255
thanks. i actually did just compare erai to filename with a different singing scene and yeah, erai's encoding just sucks i guess. will need to rewatch the movie soon to get an even better viewing experience

>>4520258 me
so is the nekotrix release the best? or the feibanyama? i see nekotrix says that they downmixed the audio to stereo and converted it to 128kbps Opus but i'm not even really sure what that means. Not very technologically literate when it comes to audio stuff

>>4520259
Holy shit just watch it on netflix or on hianime, which just straight up ripped it off netflix at the same quality. This isnt rocket science.

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I'm not a vocaloid fan, so I had pretty low expectations and even forgot this movie was a thing until the day it came out, but after watching it I can say that I've loved basically everything about it, the only nitpick I have is the part after the time skip feeling kinda rushed. Nice to see so much yuri fanart too, we've truly hit the jackpot with this one.

>>4520261
It helps that the songs are sung by humans instead of robots. The VAs really elevated the vocaloid tracks.

>>4520260
i just want the best release locally, man, what's your problem? just ignore me

>>4520266
Buy the blue-ray when it comes out then.

>>4520268
i probably will, if it gets one

>>4520218

MC's original choice was law school, the usual choice expected of smart people and it depends on what you are doing. If you just do paralegal/admin then yes you're a office drone and you could be stuck photocopying- and you're probably getting paid like shit. But if she went on to be a lawyer there's a spectrum. It can be glorified paper pusher/office work like Property. If she got into commercial side there's a lot more thinking involved, lots of stuff to read and litigation. Everyone loves arguing. Criminal. That's the stuff on TV and if you want to be in that glorified role it can work out for you.

However, in saying that law can become draining in other ways. In Commercial, if you go high enough you are on call for CEOs at 2 to 4 just to review contracts. Criminal? Well imagine if you're running defense...and you're defending a literal pede. And then you make a career out of defending pedes.

And let's not get started on Family.

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Wow, talk about playing with open cards. Kaguya even asks Iroha if she is in love with that idol.

>>4520277
Who cares?

>>4520280
Don't be mean to anon, she just made the wrong choice going into law instead of engineering an android body for her fated lover moon princess.

>>4520282
I suppose only someone stupid enough to go into law would autistically rant about it at the slightest excuse.

Is this NTR?

>>4520159
Just out of curiosity I watched the movie a second time with the English dub. It's actually quite decent? Like not at all on the Japanese level, but it is very good nontheless. I was also super surprised that all the songs got English covers. For that alone it's worth a rewatch like this.
The only voice that I find a bit unfortunate is Yachiyo's. It's an impossible act to follow the Japanese VA who has a legendary soothing voice and the most subtle performances.

>>4520288
How could you even come to this conclusion?

>>4520260
>streaming
>giving money to Neflix
Holy shit just shut up.

Feature with the movie's director Shingo Yamashita, fully in English: www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/2099029/

Yes, he's the guy from the "My pain is far greater than yours" Naruto Shippuden episode that was memed to death in 2010.

>>4520277
Lawyer anon... I fucking know this feel.
Me and everyone I know who passed the bar exam didn't pursue the barrister path and instead chose to chill as a public servant lawyer.

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>>4520279
There's a lot of moments like this that stand out or have new meaning on a second watch. And there's a bunch that I missed just because things went too fast. Iroha's ticket to Yachiyo's first event lists it as a handshake event, hence the Yachiyo copies interacting with the crowd afterwards, and her stopping Iroha to clasp hands with her before she leaves.

And then there's this quick scene from the montage where the text is left untranslated: the question is "what would you want with you on a desert island?" Kaguya's answer is Iroha, but it's censored since she wrote her real name: The overlay text is "*IroP's real name" and "is it okay to broadcast that? lol" Cute.

>>4520293
I literally suggested a pirate site too you dumbfuck.

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>>4520288
As NTR as pic related

>>4520294
Well he definitely is good with fluid animation, although that episode is infamous for a reason for overdoing it. This movie did it much better. I love how constantly in motion it is.

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Sorry folks, it's officially NTR: https://x.com/kz_lt/status/2015017915821723921

>>4520298
Anon wanted good video quality and you suggested a streaming site, you don't know anything about video quality so just shut up and watch your collection of pixels on your favourite site without telling others what to do.

>>4520308
>can't afford good internet to have stable and high quality streams
Sounds like a (You) problem. I literally watch in 4k with no quality loss. Stop making up things to be mad about and shut the fuck up from now on.

>>4520297
Personally I like how extremely early on they point out that the tech for artificial smelling and tasting hasn't been develöped yet. Or the reoccuring pancake theme.

>>4520309
>thinking high resolution means high quality
We got it, you don't understand anything about video quality, no need to keep repeating it.

>>4520288
Technically it's not cheating if it's your future self, baby.

>>4520311
You are literally just barking because you were cornered. High resolution, high bit rate, high audio quality. That is literally all you need to have good video quality. You are just pretending to have an unrealistic standard that doesnt exist to be right. Kill yourself and spare us your drivel from now on.

Please don't summon the Daiz on /u/

>>4520313
>high audio quality. That is literally all you need to have good video quality

>>4520317
>intentionally ignores 90% of the post to dodge reality
Yeah you are done. What a waste of my time.

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Since we are bringing up barking, can they upload their dog/slug on a baby android?

>>4520319
I mean the slug literally exists in the real world and in Tsukuyomi already, so...

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>>4520304
I feel like buying tons of PS5 games.

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https://x.com/710_ao/status/2015349566170927242

I like the part where Iroha's best friends set up a fireworks date for Iroha and Kaguya with zero hesitation. The gay was so obvious they figured it out immediately.

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Nice, I love this artist.

>>4520329
The redhead deserves a girlfriend.

If they announce scale figures of this I'm going to whale hard...

>>4520332
Maybe. The short chestnut haired one is unfortunately total yumejoshi trash, so she is not an option.

One thing I don't get is why they even confronted the Lunarians in Tsukuyomi. The argument was literally "They can't do anything in the real world, so let's fight them online." Like... why? They apparently cannot get Kaguya in real life.

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>>4520214
Almost every bit of the movie can be looked at under a microscope to reveal so many clues about Kaguya/Yachiyo's love for Iroha, but inspecting the last act of the movie deeply for other details will unwind some of the tightly bound narrative that wrapped everything up so well. We can't decipher the consequences of a time travel paradox while simultaneously unlocking the mystery of the soul. Iroha is in love with Kaguya, and for most of the movie that could be interpreted as two people, but at the end of the movie, there is only one being on Earth that fits this criteria no matter how many extensions of her exist. As for Kaguya-bot, her having the appearance and quirky behaviors even though Yachiyo's experiences changed her is no different than your grandma being more playful when getting to re-experience something from her youth. I do like the idea that this is just the beginning and a rapid technological advancement will allow them to transcend mortality so Iroha and Kaguya will be together forever.

>>4520294
This was actually interesting. Really can tell they love the work they did creating the movie. The end of the interview gave me hope with how passionate they were about creating original anime too. Hopefully the yuri fans on the team are the ones who will keep leading the way.

>>4520297
This is too cute, thanks for pointing it out.

>>4520159
Sad that they still chicken out of showing anything sexual
The water scene and mood there would have been perfect for an answering and kissing

Manga chapter 1: https://mangadex.org/chapter/dd58ab1a-de3a-47b5-897e-133d3b5d8ecd

>>4520346
Kissing isnt sexual, dumbo. Actual sexual stuff isn't appropiate for a 12+ rated movie though. Get a grip.

>>4520346
The kissing there got clearly censored
It was such as obvious thing that my two little brothers unironically asked why are they not kissing to my aunt kek

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>sexual
Please do not fist android kaguya

>>4520355
She is literally trying to give her back all her senses and making the ideal body for her girlfriend. There is no way she will not make a fully functioning vagina and entrails system.
Instead of that absolute trash "Does it count if your first time is with an android?" this is the real android yuri anime experience we needed.

>>4520355
Surely by 2040 technology will have advanced enough to make android girls without gears in their vagina.

>>4520346
They probably got rid of anything showing sexual attraction. Probably a necessary sacrifice to get pass the suits

Wonder if anime originals will ever reach the point of unashamedly gay

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>>4520337
I had the same thought during the movie. Also why couldn't Yachiyo take Kaguya's place when they came to take her? Or alter the outcome to prevent the same tragic result? I haven't rewatched yet to see if it is the case, but it clearly felt like the dog that Yachiyo pets and apologizes to before it climbs up on Kaguya to get beamed up with her was meant for something more. My pet theory is the dog becomes the decoy that is left on the moon so Kaguya can escape the 2nd time without anyone chasing after her, and I wonder if there is any small detail in the montage scenes that show something like this. I think they went for the classic time travel paradox where the events are causally linked and can't be changed, so knowing the future isn't enough to prevent it and these events had to happen because Yachiyo already exists. It breaks down quickly to scrutiny so I'd rather not think about it. Time travel really fucks with the ability to rationalize a story because it has no basis in human experience unless its the time dilation variety.

>>4520353
I am 100% positive some level of the production process placed restrictions on what they could show due to the size of the budget/production. However, restrictions help lead to creative ways to skirt the rules, which is why I think the scissor kiss animations >>4520240 were the direct result of the story and animation team wanting to still show more and devised a way to make sure any audience member would connect the dots. The success of this movie should help future teams push back and take bigger leaps.

>>4520363
They are literally not hiding sexual attraction in any way (there is tons of physical contact, blushing and love confessions). Not having a kiss is not that uncommon in Jap movies.
You expect them to make out and try to suck each others tits in a 12+ movie, but this is supposed to be a more softcore story to begin with. There isnt even a drop of blood in this story either. It's very tame.

>>4520365
Inu-Doge goes with Kaguya when she attempts to return to Earth and travels back in time. Yachiyo outright says the accident leaves them only able to incarnate him as the sea slug Fuchi which Kaguya inhabits for the next 8,000 years and then he becomes Yachiyo's pet inside Tsukuyomi who you saw throughout the movie.

>>4520365
>why couldn't Yachiyo take Kaguya's place?
She is damaged goods. Her soul is stuck in a broken ship. They still respected her and backed off when she threw around some of their drones, showing that they still perceive her as one of them. From all we have seen though, the Lunarians are so technologically advanced that nobody could have actually stopped them in the virtual world. Hence why I dont understand why they had their last stand in the enemy's prefered territory...
>the dog
The dog became the seaslug. The space ship only had enough juice to give the dog a physical form. So it became an important intermediary to make sure Kaguya could become Yachiyo. The copy Kaguya made on the moon isnt actually a decoy, she finished her work after all. She just left behind a robot that could deal with any future work.
>fate cannot be changed
Yes, it is clearly implied to be a perfect loop. I think the implication is that the Lunarians would always succeed no matter what, but I just dont get how they could have done so. The movie didnt really try to explain how. That's the only gap I can see.

>>4520347
I mean it's just a hyper paced retelling of the movie, so it feels kinda pointless after you watched it. I can't believe I'm saying this, but somehow the MOVIE is more detailed and a better pace. This one chapter only covers 15 minutes of the movie and somehow feels like it skips half of those 15 minutes.

>>4520365
>>4520367
The lunarians interfere with the internet the first time they show up. If Kaguya never connected again to escape them they'd most likely start causing more and more havoc for humans by disrupting the digital world. Also for the timeline to work at all it's necessary that Kaguya does return to the moon so the time loop can begin/continue. Yachiyo and Tsukuyomi couldn't exist otherwise and the events of the movie wouldn't happen, so Yachiyo facilitates Kaguya being brought back. Kaguya herself knows she can't keep running away forever.

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>>4520218
Iroha opening all her cabinets after Kaguya is taken fucking destroyed me. Just thinking about the despair they felt being separated makes me start to tear up. Fuck the moon, all my homies hate the moon

>>4520367
>>4520368
Oh of course, that is so obvious now. I just fundamentally made the wrong assumption for the connection between the dog, the slug, and Yachiyo. For some reason I thought Yachiyo created the slug as an extension of herself because she landed in the sea and didn't see anything about the dog there. The 8000 year time skip montage went by too fast and I was crying through all of it so I just need to watch it again.

>>4520371
That's an interesting parallel to Iroha running away from confronting her mother, and adds more beauty to it because she finds the courage to face this for Kaguya and pursue her truest desire. Thinking about it that way makes reveling in the destruction of "my responsibilities before my happiness" with their happy ending that much sweeter.

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>>4520159
>【Official MV】Remember – yuigot / 月見ヤチヨ(cv.早見沙織) from 超かぐや姫!
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE1y01q6wzQ
Forgot to include a link for the debut song music video in the OP. Watch it after the movie.

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>>4520214
I think you guys missed the whole time loop thing, it's explained clearly that Yachiyo is not the Kaguya that Iroha knows, she's the one from the previous cycle, which keeps repeating because time travel shenanigans.
And that's why there's technically two Kaguyas in the end, because there were two in the beginning as well, nothing's changed in that regard; Iroha makes a body for the one she actually met in person 10 years before, not the one who spent 8000 years navigating history through the slug, and who's now just an AI acting in Tsukuyomi; remember when Iroha specifically asked Yachiyo about her own Kaguya?
Yes, the non-granny Kaguya was supposedly stuck in the past as well, so Iroha also managed to recover her consciousness somehow, probably with Yachiyo's moon tech cheats.

>>4520373
The overall message of the movie seems to be neither to bow down to your responsibilities and abandon your happiness nor conversely to escape from them to chase happiness without a plan, but rather to focus on building your happiness through effort and responsibility. It won't be quick and easy but it will be worth it.

>>4520378
That is completely wrong. Like, just straight up getting all the plot threads confused.
The Kaguya Iroha met 10 years ago is currently 8000 years in the past, because she time traveled back and hit a meteor on her way back to Earth. That is the entire point of the loop.
Yachiyo is the only Kaguya by the end of the movie. She is literally narrating the entire movie and says at the end how she is looking forward to eating pancakes again, because Iroha is making a body for her. The robot Kaguya is either a copy or a remote controlled Yachiyo. There is nobody else. The loop was unbreakable, but there is a happy ending AFTER the events of the loop. That is what Iroha made possible.

I dont understand what place you sucked all of the made up plot points from. Really strange.

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>>4520382
To be fair to anon the movie really packs everything in the last act. To add to the explanation the movie timeline starts with Yachiyo=Kaguya8000 singing the debut song to Iroha. Kaguya0 lands on Earth and falls in love. Kaguya0 is taken back to the moon until Iroha sings the debut song to wake up Kaguya0 from her OL prison. In this process Iroha realizes the origin of the debut song is only possible if Kaguya is Yachiyo but she doesn't know how so she goes into VR to find Yachiyo. There she learns Kaguya0 left the moon to return to her, but tragedy sent her 8000 years in the past. She keeps smiling while waiting those 8000 years by spreading her love story until she becomes Yachiyo and can share her love directly with Iroha again at long last in the form of the debut song, knowing she can be reunited. Now I'm crying again. That settles it I'll go watch the movie again now.

>>4520382
Anon, the whole 'happy ending' thing in the final dpurt was all about Iroha managing to save her own Kaguya from the time loop of suffering, and she succeeded. She didn't just give up and let her go through everything Yachiyo had to, that's what she achieved, otherwise she'd be stuck with just the granny who is a different person from the one dhe lived with, which wouldn't be a happy ending at all..
No wonder you're confused by the Kaguya situation in the end, I'd recommend a rewatch, at least of the last 30 minutes.

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It's like Terminator.

>>4520388
No, you made all of this up. There is literally not a single scene, frame or dialogue piece that in any way implies what you are saying here. There is no plot device or reason to believe that she is actually somehow retrieving the Kaguya 8000 years in the past to the present. That Kaguya will become the current Yachiyo. The fact that Yachiyo exists already proves the loop happened.
YOU are the one who is confused and I will guarantee that every other anon here who watched the movie agrees with me on this. You saw the robot Kaguya looking like that and misinterpreted what happened. Iroha is going through robot iterations to give Yachiyo a body again. You are also mistaken about Yachiyo being an AI. That whole thing was a red herring. She is literally just connected to Tsukuyomi via her spaceship and using a virtual avatar to control the server.

How do you explain Yachiyo's narration after the credits in your convoluted unsupported interpretation? Is Iroha making a body for both of them in your fantasy? How exactly did Iroha retreieve Kaguya from 8000 years in the past? None of this makes sense.

I highly suggest that (You) rewatch the movie or at least the last hour of it.

>>4520382
wow, so you actually came out of the movie thinking iroha never reunited with her kaguya?
you're the strange one here

>>4520393
You are not convincing anyone by pretending to be another anon...
She did meet her Kaguya again. Yachiyo is that Kaguya. How is this so hard to understand? They are the same person. Yachiyo is just an 8000 year old Kaguya. It's like saying if you didnt see someone for 10 years they are not the same person (literally, not figuratively).

>>4520392
Anon, I'm not trolling you here, rewatch the thing and I'm confident you'll connect the dots, or don't and keep being stubborn, but I can't make it any clearer for you.

>>4520399
I have watched the movie TWICE today, both in Japanese and in English. There is NOTHING in it that supports your theory. If you want me to believe your interpretation you actually need to support it with evidence. You cant even explain the central pillar of your theory. You say you "cant make it clearer", but you havent even explained a single thing yet. You just made a claim and pretended its self-evident.
If you arent trolling you are just kinda media illiterate.

>>4520387
You are right that the final act rushes a lot, but the plot is not so confusing that I can excuse how wrong that anon is about such an obvious plot point.
I have my own reservations I mentioned before like the fighting the Lunarians in the virtual world or why Yachiyo in the robot body immediately returned to her own personality, but those are actually somewhat vague unlike the central premise of the entire movie...

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How would they even bring back the recent kaguya when she's stuck doing paperwork till Iroha dies as an old hag.

>>4520404
>I have watched the movie TWICE today
If you actually did that and still don't get it, you have no business calling anyone media illiterate.
Maybe the MV next week or the manga adaptation will clear up your confusion, I'm not arguing time travel paradox theory when the story itself makes light of it for the sake of reaching the idealized happy ending.

>>4520409
No anon, you don't get to wind your way out like this. You made a very definitive claim, so tell me where in the movie it is supported. What scene, what dialogue, what plot device facilitates your completely unfounded fantasy? You are getting further and fruther away from actually explaining your claim, which tells me you can't. No distractions, no deflections to other media that isnt out yet. What in the actual movie says what you claim? Let me guess, it's all "vibes". Fucking hell.

Stable time loops aren't hard to understand in fiction. Unless of course you are media illiterate.

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While I can see how it is more ideal that Kaguya never has any suffering, that means Yachiyo is alone forever because Iroha takes Kaguya over her. That is pretty depressing so not seeing how that would be your idealized ending. Kaguya and Iroha are star crossed lovers and Kaguya endures 8000 years smiling alone because she will reunite with Iroha.

>>4520410
Nice try, good luck on your fourth watch.

>>4520407
>when she's stuck doing paperwork till Iroha dies as an old hag.
The recent Kaguya is currently on her way to earth, we did see her set out when Irohas song reached her.
I do actually think it feels like a incomplete ending to not interrupt that timeline by not letting her crash 8000 years in the past. And have two.

>>4520413
Yup, you were a troll. Shoulda figured the obvious the moment you made your second reply. Same shit as usual.

>>4520414
Because time isnt working linearily... due to time travel, what we see is not happening simultaneously. The time gap between Kaguya hearing the song and starting her space ship to leave is long enough for Iroha to actually turn into a granny. It doesnt matter to Kaguya, because she assumes she will travel right back to the point in time where Iroha sings the song. If that wasnt the case there would be no reason for her to time travel in the first place...

>>4520365
Well they clearly couldn't get the greenlight for full gay speed but had to made do with what they get

>>4520418
Does this imply that Kaguya is going to run into the same accident and end up in a different timeline's 6000BC, and continue the loop by being Yachiyo to a new Iroha? Or will the accident only happen once, and she successfully time travels and meets up with Iroha, Yachiyo, and her new robot body?

>>4520418
Its not actually said if it was the song that took so long or the journey, or both. I grant it could be the song.
But the point is that Kaguya does arrive on earth before she sets out to time travel, so its possible to avert her fate by Iroha just sticking around long enough thanks to robo-body technology.

>>4520419
Having actual love confessions between girls is already far more than most movies have ever achieved.

>>4520423
Yachiyo literally says that the Kaguya that Iroha knows is currently traveling through time and will end up 8000 years in the past. The movie literally spells it out after Iroha asks where "her" Kaguya is.
It's a stable time loop. Yachiyo's existence means Kaguya traveled back. It is already decided. That's why everyone calls it fate. It can't be averted, but they can go beyond it (aka giving Yachiyo a Kaguya body and living their lives happily together making up for lost time).

>>4520423
As it stands it looks like a stable timeloop on the surface, so the Kaguya that we saw is now going to end up on earth 8000 years ago. I will say I think it would be a plothole to have Iroha die of old age with her amazing robot technology, now that she 'knows' there is a Kaguya coming to meet her in a few decades.
So I choose to believe the knowledge Iroha acauired from Yachiyo breakd that timeline as the ultimate Fuck You to destiny

>>4520426
Sure, but they still specifically had to avoid saying the return
We need to level up the yuri movie research more

>>4520427
Correction, because it matters she says Kaguya is currently in the same loop of fate, not in the time travel part of that loop.
Also the whole "we can't ever escape it" part is clearly meant to be fatalism thats overturned, not a final statement.

>>4520424
No... sigh... okay one more time,
1. Kaguya escapes the moon and travels to earth, creates an organic body, meets Iroha, has a gay old time
2. Kaguya gets taken back to the moon by the Lunarians
3. Iroha sends her song to Kaguya on the moon, who then decides to finish her wokr as fast as possible so she can travel back to Earth
4. By the time Kaguya is finished with work and making a replacement for herself, enough time has passed that she assumes Iroha is an old lady by now, having wasted her whole life never reuniting with Kaguya
5. Kaguya uses the time travel function of her space ship to go back to the point in time where Iroha sang the song so they can reunite immediately
6. Her ship hits an asteroid on the way and malfunctions, sending her back 8000 years into the past instead of 80ish
7. Kaguya crashes in the ocean, ship is unable to give her a body, so she makes a body for her dog robot pet and turns it into a seaslug which she uses to communicate with people while stuck in her space ship
8. 8000 years pass in which Kaguya changes and eventually created Tsukuyomi and takes on the persona of Yachiyo
9. As Yachiyo she partakes in the events that lead to Kaguya returning to the moon after her first escape
10. Iroha sings her song for Kaguya on the moon, finds out Yachiyo is Kaguya, confronts her and then decides to get their happy ending by studying robotics to give Yachiyo a Kaguya body so they can be happy together in the real world again

This is the whole plot of the movie and how the stable time loop works. Part 10 is the happy ending Iroha creates beyond the loop.

>>4520429
kaguya does not know that Iroha and robo-Yachiyo are still kicking around by that time (assuming they even did in the original timeline), so she just assumes that Iroha would be a granny by that point, as that is how time works for humans.

>>4520435
>that she assumes Iroha is an old lady by now
This isn't whats actually in the movie. She specifically says she finds out 'after' she got to earth following the song. It doesn't even imply she pre-emptively knows or anticipates it. Kahguya travels to earth and THEN time travels.
This isn't even worth arguing about because she literally says that.

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>>4520438
This isnt at all stated in the movie. You are just making that up. Yachiyo never specifies that she went back to earth, she just says by the time she finished her work and got ready to return, Iroha is already an old lady.

>>4520439
No, that is a flashback to Kaguya suffering alone for 8000 years, waiting. Iroha literally sees all her memories that happen during those 8000 years afterwards and even hears her internal monologue where this kaguya realizes she was always going to be Yachiyo... holy shit, the media illiteracy.

>>4520438
Man, there are even visuals showing you she hits an asteroid while attempting to reach Earth. What, you think she got to Earth, saw old lady Iroha, decided to time travel and to do so she had to get back into orbit and that's when she hit an asteroid? Sure, why not? The result is the same aside from the whole sequence becoming comically clunky.

>>4520441
You're the one who makes up she anticipated it, which the movie never says.

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This is literally exactly what she says in the scene where she explains her origin.
Finishes work -> it took too long -> travales to earth with time travel function

Traveling to earth and time traveling are the same step. There is no going to earth first and then going to space again to time travel only to hit an asteroid. She literally never went to earth again before the accident.

>>4520445
I checked back and the english version might lead to that misunderstanding, but the japanese only says "a lot of time had passed" it doesn't imply she went back to find out.
We are left with the plothole of the lunarians not checking on her despite doing it the entire time for the first trip or why they can't just go and pick up that Kaguya now, but thats a whole different issue. Frankly not worth exploring for the main story and is more for threesome doujins.

Original timeline: Yachiyo doesn't exist, Iroha and Kaguya meet, Kaguya leaves for good, Iroha sings for Kaguya but dies of old age without ever seeing her again. BAD END.
2nd timeline: the one we see in the anime.
Kaguya is now on Earth 8000 years before but crash landed, has to wait for humans to create VR, creates Yachiyo, has to let physical Kaguya and Iroha to meet and everything to not break the loop and create paradoxes, after Iroha sings she can finally reveal herself, Iroha makes her a physical body 10 years later, they get together. GOOD END.

>>4520453
>We are left with the plothole of the lunarians not checking on her despite doing it the entire time for the first trip
She finished her work. It was never stated to be literally infinite. It was still so much prospective work that she got the idea to run away the first time, but after hearing Iroha's song she instead decided to power through the rest of it first specifically so the lunarians wouldn't be on her ass again.

>>4520454
>they use Lunarian time travel texh to go back in time 8.000 years ago to pick up this timelines Kaguya and bring her back to their time with a second robot body
>they have sweaty gynoid sandwich lesbian sex forever
TRUE GOLDEN END

>>4520454
This is certainly how the very first timeline had to happen logically, but that is kind of the problem with closed loops like this. Because if Kaguya actually VERIFIED that Iroha became and old lady and died (from a distance of course), then once the actual loop is established, she would instead see a robot version of herself (assumedly) with a robot bodied Iroha on every loop where Yachiyo exists.

So our only way to keep the loop actually logical and stable is to assume Kaguya never checked and just assumed before traveling through time.

>>4520458
>So our only way to keep the loop actually logical and stable is to assume Kaguya never checked and just assumed before traveling through time.
I see no issue assuming this happened, given her personality.
Not sure how we are meant to think the baracelet works that it can transmit the song, but somehow no other information. Especially since Lunarians are provably capable of interacting with earth in 'real time', since they directly reacted to the bracelet checking on Kaguya falling in love.

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The dual android threesome is inevitable.

>>4520458
I think trying too hard to make sense of time travel stories is a hopeless endeavor. They just don't make logical sense because they're fallacious in the first place. It's a science fiction invention, we don't know if they're actually possible. Time traveling most of the time assumes only the traveler retains memories of the previous timeline. That opens a gigantic can of worms because it implies there are infinite parallel universes. Just stop.

I think people shouldn't overthink things, it's just gonna ruin the enjoyment of the product.
I thik the gist of the story is the one I wrote >>4520454 and I'm just gonna stick with that.

>>4520454
>Original timeline: Yachiyo doesn't exist
Then why does Kaguya call out to her in >>4520439?

>>4520460
Yes, the bangle being so conveniently limited is certainly a bit silly, but we honestly don't know anything about it beyond the fact that Lunarians could track Iroha through it and that it transmitted a song once.
Also I dont think the Lunarians reacted to Kaguya falling in love, as Kaguya literally states she fell in love the moment she saw Iroha for the first time.

The first time we see the bangle react is during the scene where she sees she wants to marry Iroha, but I feel like those things arent actually connected.

>>4520464
Because that is already a loop where she met Yachiyo. By the nature of this stable loop, the loop already assumes Yachiyo's existence is a fact.

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Patience is one heck of a virtue. I'm suprise she didn't jump on her the first chance she got.

>>4520467
It doesn't matter to the lunarians if she falls in love as long as she rejects her suitors and accepts being taken back to the moon, as she does in the original tale of the bamboo cutter where she still rejects the emperor despite genuinely loving him. Expressing the wish to marry Iroha and thus stay on Earth forever is what they cannot abide.

>>4520463
I didnt have to think about it more than that, I literally gave you the solution to the problem in the same post.
>I think people shouldn't overthink things
That is literally the same thing Yachiyo said. She tells Iroha it's just a "fairy tale" so she shouldn't try too hard to understand it. It just plays into the whole Kaguyahime fate angle. Iroha wanting to understand everything that happened is what led to her getting the happy ending though.

>>4520470
She wasn't going to do herself dirty like that, though she certainly revels in trolling Kaguya a little during World is Mine.

>>4520468
But you said there were only two timelines, so the anime Yachiyo should be the first one to exist in time, and her flashback shouldn't have her calling out to another Yachiyo?
That should only happen for the first time to the Kaguya (young) of the anime timeline, no?
Unless the anime is actually the third loop or something.

>>4520470
Well frankly, I feel like Yachiyo already gave up on ever having a chance with Iroha. She even hides away from her after Kaguya is taken to the moon. It's Fushi who guides Iroha to Yachiyo after Iroha makes abundantly clear that she will never give up searching for her.
In other words, Yachiyo gave up on being Iroha's Kaguya, until Iroha strongarmed her way back in and sweeped her off her feet.

It's painful to think that those fleeting moments with Iroha is all she felt she would ever have...

>>4520472
I never considered the fairy tale angle there, but it makes total sense with the themes of the movie. Very cool observation.

>>4520475
First of all, I am not the anon with the two timelines post. Secondly in a stable loop cause and effect are already set in stone. The moment Kaguya went back in time, Yachiyo always existed. It's confusing, but that's how this concept generally works.

>>4520478
Yeah, think of it as a loop with no beginning, not in terms of multiple timelines with an original one unchanged by time travel. Yachiyo and Tsukuyomi must be there in the first place or the events that lead to Kaguya going back in time wouldn't take place at all because Iroha would have no incentive to finish her old song. This is also why the idea of breaking the timeloop by preventing Kaguya from being taken back to the moon or time traveling is unfeasible, as once again Yachiyo wouldn't exist if those events changed.

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>>4520335
Regarding Ayatsumugi Roka.

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Rewatching the movie is kinda hard when you notice all those small instances Yochiyo tears up.

>>4520467
>The first time we see the bangle react is during the scene where she sees she wants to marry Iroha, but I feel like those things arent actually connected.
In the original tale, the people of the moon let Kaguya stay on earth to let her develop material attachments (falling in love with the emperor in this case) because its meant to be a punishment. That is what decides for them to come and get her, when the emperor asks her to come live with him.
To me it felt obvious the movie mirrors that in that the lunarians come and get her only after Iroha accepts Kaguya's proposal. Its Iroha recipricating that triggers it, its not a coincidence.

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I'd take a whole movie of just them doing everyday married couple things and nothing happens.

>>4520299
Damn what happened to this manga I forgot all about it.

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I wasn't expecting it to be this good, what the hell. GET OUT OF MY HEAD.

>>4520477
I think it is overly harsh to say Yachiyo gave up just because she hides. She spent 8000 years explicitly never giving up in pursuit of their happy ending. She was only hiding after Kaguya left because she was worried Iroha wouldn't be able to requite her love when she learns what happened, and sharing that 8000 year old vulnerability is scary. Instead Iroha stomps over and makes her tell her story.

>>4520484
I just finished my 2nd watch and seeing everything from Yachiyo's perspective made it so much harder to go through a scene without crying myself. Every moment has a new meaning on the 2nd watch and I recommend everyone do it immediately. Looking back at the very first song Iroha hears from Yachiyo on their fated reunion at the start of the movie is so much sweeter now
>Many thousand years
>All this time I've waited
>And now
>The day we meet is finally here
>So please
>Stay close to me and hold my hand
>Don't ever let me go again

>>4520484
Careful Iroha, there's an Anti-spiral emerging next to you!

R/u/minating on this movie again and how much I loved it and the gay happy end. Domestic scenes too, these two are a great married couple. Airtight narrative with Yuri start to finish.

HONMONO Yuri/10

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>check the dub
>dubbed songs
We in the 90s again?

>>4520565
Let me start by saying I can't stand Vocaloid singing. Miku, Len, all of them just don't sound good. It's why I could never get into ProSeka.

But I won't deny the composition is professional and the Producers behind them are serious about their music. It's why their songs end up sounding much better when they go pro and start working with actual people- utaite, seiyu etc. That's why I regularly listen to Vocaloid music covers with ACTUAL people.

There are a lot of covers out there, some translated. I'll treat this as a cover but I wonder how a pro dub compares to what the fans have been doing.

>>4520528
I mean Yachiyo's literal reaction during the confrontation is:
"I can't really call this a happy ending, can I?"
"I said I would get a happy ending and take you with me.... I messed up."

It feels like she overtly thinks she failed already. And seeing Iroha's love for the young Kaguya clearly made her feel even more unworthy of Iroha. I refer again to the scene where Kaguya says she wishes she was more like Yachiyo so she could have gained iroha's love faster and Yachiyo replies "No, it's you she wants, because you are Kaguya". I feel like the movie can't spell it out more obviously.

>>4520565
The English covers are pretty decent though. No other dub actually re-recorded the songs, so that makes the English dub unique.
Also they only really covered the songs that are actually sung by the cast. They didn't cover Happy Synthesizer playing during the montage or the credits songs.

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One thing I find really interesting is how the animators managed to make two distinct artstyles between the real world and the virtual world. The real world is full of thin lines and flat tones and stretchy motions. But in the game world every character model is hyper pretty, detailed and glowy. Everyone looks like they war make up and are idealized pretty.

I always subconsciously noticed this, but it's actually a very strong contrast if you pay attention to it.

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>>4520634
I liked the latin dub. Kaguya sounds adorable, makes you wanna grab her and shake her.

>>4520637
Latinos always overstate their dubs. They will praise even the most basic dubs like they are as good as the Japanese or something.
Let's be clear, none of the dubs come close to the JP, they are just not as amateurish and bad as they used to be 10-20 years ago. I listened to about 10 languages just for shits and giggles and not a single one came close to replication Yachiyo's perfect Japanese voice. It's kind of an impossible task.

>>4520636
Yeah, Iroha's avatar looks like Adachi.

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>>4520640
Calm down, Iroha.

I just realized... by traveling back in time and telling all kinds of people her story, Kaguya literally created the legend from the Bamboo Cutter herself. She is the origin of the Kaguya myth, which Iroha then shows her in the future and inspires her. Every single thing from the myth happens in a way during the movie.
Kaguya crash lands on earth from the moon, is raised by an old man (Iroha is described as being basically close to death and feeling old and tired, they even have the old man visual on her twice in the movie), get super popular with the humans, gets a buch of suitors, which are all rejected (or massacred by IroP to be exact) and even the Emperor ("Mikado", literally the character name of Iroha's brother) vies for her hand. She rejects him too, but when she finds true love the moon people come to Earth and completely defeat the humans trying to keep Kaguya on Earth. Kaguya leaves, forgets everything and never comes back.

That's where the tale ends, because Kaguya cannot finish the story until she meets Iroha again. The main difference between the tale and reality is that Kaguya NEVER forgets. She remembers and that's why she can continue the tale. Yachiyo is a refutation of the Kaguya myth that she herself created.

You know it's good yuri when one girl has even changed the other's diaper before.

Also also also also... when Iroha saw the "shooting star" at the beginning of the movie she made a wish for money so she could live on her own without hardship.
When Kaguya leaves, she gives Iroha all the riches she amassed as a streamer as a parting gift. She is literally her shooting star fulfilling her wish!
HOW DOES THIS MOVIE HAVE INFINITE LAYERS?!

>>4520640
Compared to the dubs in other languages, spic dubs are a godsend.

>>4520637
Nesciebam Latinam linguam adhuc loqui.

>>4520679
Nope, just as bad as any other dub.

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>>4520683
You haven't heard the Italian dub.

>>4520684
Except I did test out 10 languages, Italian being one of them.

>>4520640
>>Latinos always overstate their dubs. They will praise even the most basic dubs like they are as good as the Japanese or something.

It depends on which country we're talking about or even the era, since we're talking about several countries (including Miami), but let's be honest, dub is made for people who speak that language, not everyone is going to understand it or like it.

Personally, I'm sticking with what the movie gave me in its original language and I'm not going to watch any other version, not even in my language (it was difficult enough to find the time to watch it in the first place).

>>4520636
It makes me think that if this had been handled by other people, the virtual world might have simply been CG.

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>>4520673
Because Kaguya shared the story of her love for Iroha through the ages, that would also mean that when Iroha names her Kaguya she was unknowingly basically taking the first step. It made Kaguya's extreme reaction to being named by Iroha extra cute on a rewatch.

>>4520677
It's too rare to have a story with writing this rewarding. Having it all be in service of an yuri love story 8000 years in the making is almost too much for my heart to handle. The more I think about it the more beauty and nuance I discover. I spent the last two days thoroughly consumed by this movie. I want to watch it a 3rd time but I don't think my sinuses can handle any more punishment for now.

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>>4520674
Wrong this shit was weird as fuck.

>>4520727
Wait does this mean that the original story never happened or did the timeline just branched out? Since due to the damaged ship she never emerged as a human 8k years ago.

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>>4520729
The bamboo cutter story was a result of 8000 years of countless retellings where humans altered Kaguya's story by retelling it until it turned into what exists in the present day. Kaguya spread her love for Iroha across time and everything she did was in an effort to reach her. Watching it again is so tragically beautiful when you consider how much she did to get to the point where she could see her again. If you mean the time travel part this anon explains it simply enough >>4520478.

>>4520725
There is a lot of really tasteful CGI in the virtual world actually, especially during the fights. Sometimes its pretty seamless, but regardless their 3D model look so good that it doesn't really stick out.

>>4520729
By "original story" you mean the literal Bamboo Cutter myth? Anon, mythology isn't real. Princess Kaguya wasn't a real historical figure...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6yAXqs7GpQ
World is Mine is absolutely my favorite song in the movie and I wish they had played the full song in that scene. This remix on the official channel doesn't really hit the same way, but it's still good.

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>>4520738
This moment where Kaguya joins into the song after throwing a tantrum over Yachiyo flirting with Iroha is maybe my favorite shot in the whole movie.
What really makes that whole scene so good is that both songs are describing the relationship of Kaguya/Yachiyo and Iroha so well. The songs are very clearly directed AT Iroha, even though they pretend they are singing to the audience. The way they dance around her and close in makes this even more apparent.

>>4520684
I barely lasted through the trailer.
>KagÙya
Jesus.

>>4520731
You can see in the director's feature posted above that they staged the dances and fights in Tsukuyomi with 3D models for the characters then drew over them frame by frame like a digital version of rotoscoping. The director said 2D just feels more intimate to him. The environments and some elements like the giant light fish are CG but they blend in very well I think.

>>4520741
Î could still tell I was looking at 3D models in several of the fights, but the redrawing would explain why it felt so seamless sometimes.

>>4520684
It's fucking insane how little care they put into their work. AI would do a better job.

wednesday rewatch after work

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I love how Iroha acts all upbeat and determined not to let things end like that after the fakeout ending, but once she's faced with Kaguya's situation she just breaks down and admits her true feelings with no more filters. It contrasts her acting tsundere towards Kaguya earlier such as when she accepts her marriage proposal or "holding herself back for the sake of something more important" as Kaguya puts it at the fireworks festival when Iroha and Kaguya herself accept Kaguya's fate of returning to the moon despite it being the last thing they want. Beautiful development.

What else was this dubbed into? I can see Japanese, English, French my side

>>4520674
>>>/d/

>>4520767
Japanese, English, German, Spanish (Latam), Spanish (European), Filipino, French, Hungarian, Italian, Polish, Portuguese (Brazilian), Thai

>>4520767
>>4520769
I feel like the French Yachiyo voice is sort of the closest to the original Japanese, although I can't understand frog.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nv_WH4OUOdc
They actually did some proper "Vtuber" style shorts for Yachiyo to promote the movie. As someone who used to watch Vtubers, I can say that this is extremely well mad L2D that could fool anyone into believing she was an actual Vtuber. Even the "setting" of being an 8000 year old AI being used as a gag is on point. Editing and sound effects are also very reminiscent of early Vtuber shorts.

>>4520752
Why the hell would you rewatch Wednesday?

>>4520775
Where is the authentic Windows 95 Web 1.0 promotional website?

>>4520780
The movie takes place in 2030.

>>4520782
When Yachiyo is narrating her story and mentions how she was able to move her soul into the internet once humanity invented it, they show her webpage from 1995 and a 2ch-style message board from 2005.

>>4520785
Yeah but that is part of the plot twist so it wouldn't make sense as promotional material.

Ugh the danbooru bot has made it here too. Actually follow some artists you lazy bum.

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An interview with the VAs, from which we learn that, according to the director, Kaguya likes Iroha as a beautiful living creature.
https://www.animatetimes.com/news/details.php?id=1769389045

>>4520738
>>4520739
That song is great and the scene for it is one of the most rewarding ones to rewatch after knowing the ending. It is so moving to understand why Yachiyo was all over Iroha and it adds a deeper understanding to the lyrics from her perspective. I actually enjoyed just about every song except that Ex- one they did at the show together which had the weirdest uncoordinated backing track with a truly terrible 1000 bpm rhythm. I downloaded a different source after the fact just to check my audio wasn't bugged on that copy and I'm still not convinced because I can't understand why someone thought that sounded good.

>>4520762
My first impression of the last act was overwhelmed by the complexities of a sudden story twist and the fast pace, but after seeing it again and spending more time thinking about it I now see it as one of the emotional highlights of the entire movie. Getting such an unfiltered display of their love for each other and seeing the dedication they have for that love on display through the lengths they go to protect it is gratifying beyond compare.

>>4520890
>That song is great
sounds like a cacophony to me, thankfully there were some songs with actual melody too, but revue starlight this was not

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Yachiyo's 2ch thread
>I'm 8000 years old, AMA
>How were the pyramids built?
>Just fucking google it.

>>4520926
Bet you she wanted to say fluffy pancakes so bad as her fav food.

>>4520879
>永瀬:山下清悟監督がこだわっていたシーンのひとつだったのですが、あそこでかぐやが彩葉に惹かれてちょっとハッとするんですよね。それが気になったので山下監督に聞いてみたら、彩葉がうがいをする姿に見惚れた……というか、ここでかぐやは生物として彩葉のことをただただ綺麗だと思ってしまったみたいなんです。
Apparently the director was very particular the scene where Iroha gargles after brushing her teeth. Watching it I assumed Kaguya's reaction was to Iroha's words about accepting fate, but she was just captivated by the sight of Iroha gargling. If watch the scene her eyes glisten and you can hear her let out a little gasp. Amazing.

Is this getting a bluray? The compression artifacts were horrible.

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>>4520935
There are a few listings I've seen for a bluray from 3rd party sellers. It is either a pirated copy people are making fake listings for, or a SE asia release if I had to guess.

>>4520935
Get this release, it's way better than what other rippers put out: https://nyaa.si/view/2068172

>>4520906
>thinks World Is Mine sounds like a cacophony
Fix your ears.

>>4520932
The hell

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>>4520932
I get it. Falling in love with a random and unadorned human trait is extra romantic. It means she loves all the little things about her too.

>>4520938
I have copies of every release and all the sources were pretty bad at least the x265/hevc/av1 are improved over the earliest x264 releases. The uncompressed BD release is going to be a treat. Can't wait to see it again with perfect visuals.

>>4520739
>The way they dance around her and close in makes this even more apparent
it was a mating dance after all

>>4520293
Netflix financed this movie. Without Netflix it would straight up not exist. Curb your autism and pay the 5 bucks to see a good movie, poorfag.

>>4520159
That music/animation video on the 31st has a thumbnail of Iroha and Kaguya holding hands in a flower field. Notably Iroha is wearing the bangle, which means it has to be after the events if the movie.
Getting a bonus epilogue for free is so good. Please give us a kiss!!

>>4521050
The director said it's going to show everyone's happy ending so yeah, it's set after everything else in the movie. It will use the first song that plays during the credits so it could be seen as the movie's proper credits sequence with more than just the black screen with names and production art.

>>4521057
Praying they don't fumble this.

Unsorted thoughts.

Time loops can't just pop into existence, so the initial events could not have Yachiyo. What did happen the first time to lead to this? Unclear.

The confusion about "how is there two of them" itself is what's confusing to me, because Iroha outright describes Yachiyo as
>分身もできて歌って踊れて8000歳って設定
who then proceeds to constantly split into like 100 bodies at a time. This is the one part that's made pretty clear. Now, why her personality reverted or if it did at all, I'm not sure.

I get the idea behind the ugly as sin live2d vtumor shit, but it makes no sense for a futuristic (pseudo-)AI to use it at all, and considering the main idea behind the character was "Miku if she real", it's just a disgrace.

How and why do they have fulldive VR lenses? I get using something like that for purely visual VR for full FoV, but when it basically somehow brainjacks you anyway it seems unnecessary. And particularly infeasible. I probably shouldn't question the sci-fi elements at all but can't help it.

I'm not too familiar with the original story, but seems like the elixir of immortality was dropped entirely here. Then again maybe the synth body project is supposed to be that, in a way. And so it becomes a Koukaku no Pandora successor that we won't actually get to see.

Last stretch was kinda underwhelming. Kaguya was already back before she even left, but she really wanted some pancakes, so instead of having to defy time and space somehow to save her while keeping Yachiyo (well maybe that would have been too cheesy), Iroha just had to go research synthetic bodies real quick. But there doesn't seem to have been any real reason for VR not to have taste/smell simulation specifically other than so it could lead to this, and I imagine she could have easily implemented that way sooner if it wasn't already done by someone else during the timeskip.

Really enjoyed most of the movie, but the ending felt... not bad but somehow off.

>>4521071
The time loop always existed. The moment Kaguya decided to leave the moon Yachiyo already existed because of time travel allowing for multiple paradoxical events to occur at the same time. There is no beginning or end and it kind of fucks with free will, so like Yachiyo said don't think about it too much.

There are two of them coexisting at the same time because as I mentioned the way each character experiences time is not linear.

Yachiyo isn't a psuedo AI, she's just a soul trapped in her ship. She's no different than someone multitasking like a script kiddie with 8000 tabs open.

The VR doesn't provide full sensation. There is limited brainwave feedback and input but they don't have taste or touch. Iroha wants Kaguya to have a body to feel her real warmth, so Iroha will never settle for less.

I felt a similar pang over the ending until I slept on it and then watched the movie a 2nd time. Now it makes sense and feels good. If you have the time it is worth seeing it again and experiencing Yachiyo's perspective.

>>4521076
Realized right as I posted that I worded that poorly. The characters all experience time linearly but the story events are not explainable in an entirely linear way because Yachiyo's travels occur simultaneously during and before the movie, because time travel.

>>4521076
>don't think about it too much.
Well I can't. Time travel makes zero sense in the first place, so I need it to make some sense.
>There are two of them coexisting at the same time
I'm talking about Yachiyo being in the synth body and in VR at the same time, the reason for which has been clearly established and shouldn't even need to be questioned.
>The VR doesn't provide full sensation
All the same. The magic lenses they have shouldn't really provide any sensation or allow for crazy action movement, yet they do. Simulating more things would have been a lot easier, and I can only headcanon that the reason she went for the android approach is because Yachiyo assured her it's doable.

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>>4521080
Oh wait a minute.
>【実現したいこと】
> サイバー空間の中でも味覚・嗅覚・触覚を得られる技術を作ること
> を実現できる、サイボーグボディを開発すること
So she did consider it but somehow decided a cyborg body would be necessary to do it. As a prerequisite? Requirement? Nope, still makes no sense.
I do at least see now sense of touch explicitly mentioned; if there was any mention/implication of it at an earlier point I must have missed it.

>>4521080
I am assuming there's some sort of neural connection, that being said there is no feeling to touch/taste/smell. Yachiyo longs to touch Iroha but it was only after 8010 years that Iroha was able to build a body for her.

>>4521089
>(1)サイバー空間の中でも味覚・嗅覚・触覚を得られる技術を作ること
>(2) (1)を実現できる、サイボーグボディを開発すること
Circled numbers got stripped.
>>4521076
>Yachiyo isn't a psuedo AI, she's just a soul trapped in her ship.
Forgot to respond to this one. That's exactly why I called her a "pseudo AI" and not an actual one. The point is that she simultaneously controls multiple 3D models just fine.

The post-credit scene makes me confident enough to make a simple prediction: The MV coming out next weekend will feature Kaguya eating Iroha's fluffy pancakes.

>>4521071
I am surprised a moron of your caliber managed to type so many words. It's quite the accomplishment.

>>4521049
No, when I like something I buy the BD so the money goes to the people who actually produced it.

>>4520333
If they had anything released now I think I'd bankrupt myself scrambling to get them all. Nendoroids and pop up parade figures are probably a sure thing, and since this is a netflix production it should garner some scales. I'd kill for a posed couple figure of them watching fireworks holding hands, or a goofy Kaguya and Iroha pose of them at home together. Really just any new merch that isn't the exclusively using the VR character designs would be nice too. I want real life Kaguya and Iroha acrylic stands at the very least so I can put something on my shelf to look at when I'm not rewatching scenes and scrolling for new fanart.

Is there any reason Yachiyo requires sleep?

>>4521132
Maybe the same reason I have to restart my PC every once in a while when things start feeling sluggish

>>4521132
Scheduled maintenance time? Or maybe she does it because Fuchi had to regularly sleep during those almost 8,000 years she was inhabiting his body so she's used to it and doesn't want to lose another connection to her humanity.

>>4521133
You're just ignoring an underlying issue, a stable system should be able to run indefinitely.
So maybe she's just not so stable either. Can't blame her.

>>4521132
She needed to sleep as Kaguya too, why wouldn't she as Yachiyo? Just because she's stuck controlling an avatar from inside a bamboo shoot instead of popping out of a utility pole doesn't change the fundamental nature of her existence. I think you are misunderstanding what Yachiyo is because the movie tells people that she is an AI supercomputer when she is not.

>>4521135
Off-topic, but I know exactly what the big issue is. There's a memory leak in one of the Windows network drivers that comes out when I use torrents over a split-tunnel VPN connection. It doesn't actually matter which torrent client or VPN provider it is.

>>4521138
She isn't but kind of is. It is implied that moon people are basically digital, or at least close to that.

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>>4521144
They said VR is closer than real life, but that doesn't mean they are literally digital machines. If she is a photon based lifeform or something exotic like that it still doesn't necessarily preclude sleep. She exhibits human traits like sleep because she is effectively human in all ways except origin. Plus it made for all those cute scenes of them sleeping together.

>>4521111
>I buy the BD so the money goes to the people who actually produced it
No it doesnt lol
That's not how blu-ray distribution works. And you should consider that the amount of views and hype this movie gets will determine whether netflix will ever invest in similar projects again.

>>4521114
>any new merch that isn't the exclusively using the VR character designs would be nice
Unfortunately the VR designs are the more iconic visual of this movie and Yachiyo would look kinda weird next to the IRL version for Iroha and Kaguya. So I think they are gonna go for the VR avatars mostly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQVOVUxs9yo
It's kinda nuts how this song both spells out the whole movie's plot and is also a character study of both Kaguya and Yachiyo. All while being a ballad directed at Iroha, rather than the audience.

Kaguya's parts are reflecting more on what her life was like on the moon and how she now yearns for life with Iroha. Yachiyo describes her lonely 8000 years looking back on her time with Iroha and how on their reunion she cannot help but want her to realize who she is.

>>4520159
archiveofourown dot org/works/search?work_search%5Bquery%5D=cosmic+princess+kaguya
https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/超かぐや姫!/novels
It has begun.

>>4521167
I think people should hold off on fanfic at least until the epilogue comes out on the 31st...

>>4521166
Right? What is crazy to me is how closely I read the lyrics on the first watch, yet missed the plain as day connection because they hid the twist so well and made us so high on Kaguya and Iroha that we wouldn't think how Yachiyo was right there.

>>4521161
They're definitely more than just exotic, and generally tech-attuned. Maybe "digital" isn't the right word, but I wouldn't be surprised if the easiest way to describe them from a human standpoint was "AI", even if it's not artificial either. Hard to say for sure since they don't really go into detail.
While that still doesn't mean she won't need to sleep once in a while, I wonder why there's a need for such a strict reverse alarm-clock.

>>4521171
I think Lunarians might just be extra-dimensional and cyberspace is easier to pass into.
>I wonder why there's a need for such a strict reverse alarm-clock
Considering Yachiyo is still transfering her soul into the VR world I assume she gets exhausted and strained. It's really that simple.

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>>4521089
>if there was any mention/implication of it at an earlier point I must have missed it.
As another anon said, there's this scene.

Kinda nuts how we got two amazing yuri movies in January of this year already... there have been no real yuri movies (maybe Omuuro-ke is sort of one?) at all... and then we just get WataNare and Cosmic Princess Kaguya back to back. Though you might argue WataNare's movie is just 5 episodes strung together, while this is a real movie. If you divded it it would be like 7 anime episode tho.

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>>4521175
>I keep hoping
Even with the way the manga is rushing through the story, at least they show her yearning to feel Iroha's warmth.

>>4521173
Doesn't explain why she needs to be told when it's time to go to sleep. It's a strange minor detail, and I believe it only comes up twice?
Probably no use overthinking it.

>>4521175
>>4521177
I find the idea of a handholding event pretty ironic if they couldn't sense it. I think it might just be Yachiyo specifically who cannot sense touch, because she has no human body in the real world to feel these sensations.
During the fight with Mikado, Kaguya specifically mentions how getting killed in the game "hurts" (which I assume isnt like intense pain, just a bit of a twinge).

>>4521179
It's probably like a basic full body haptic feedback suit... without the suit. Not fine enough to feel texture and no temp support, I suppose. Depending on how the VR world is designed there may not even be anything extra to feel in the first place.

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>>4521186
Yeah I posted the song with translations here >>4521166

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>>4521185
They will fix that.

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>be so good you get your wife twice

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did she not like the het end?
is this a parody of something?

>>4520780 (Me)
Not official but some madman actually made it: yachiyo.pages.dev

>>4521162
I correct myself, buying BDs the money that goes to the people who actually produced it is much more than the money they get when you buy a subscription to a western streaming service, and you get what you want against paying for a limited access to a catalog you don't care about for a single movie that you won't even own, forced in an interface you have no control over, and the only job they do, adding subtitles, is a sloppy job with localizations, wrong translations, political agenda and no formatting (still using srt in 2026).

>>4521235
>cries about paying 5 bucks to watch a movie as many times as he wants for a month
You would probably collapse if you saw the price of watching a single movie in the cinema or on any other streaming platform where you pay to "borrow" the movie. lmao
Also Netflix has some other good yuri relevant stuff, like Arcane. You get more than your money's worth if you didn't just blindly look at it through the lens of despising as platform for some tribal mental retardation.

That whole autistic rant about localisation is hilarious considering the blu-ray will have the except same type of localisation by the way. Pathetic. You should probably just cry yourself to sleep, because being elitist and a poorfag at the same time is not gonna end well for you.

>>4521235
>political agenda
Mask slipped there, bud.

Speaking of localisation, I am confused by the English dub. Some lines in it are just wrong or say the exact opposite of what is actually being said in the Japanese version sometimes. I can't remember all the examples, but some stuff that stuck out:

Iroha telling her friends that she is just thankful to her mother for giving birth to her was changed into her saying something about being healthy because she was born with great genes? That entirely misses the point that Iroha feels indebted to her mother, while not actually acknowledging anything but their most superficial connection.

Again, there is that scene where Iroha fights Mikado and he talks about how their Iroha should call their mother back for once and he goes on about how Iroha is always too conscienttious and runs away from her problems. In the dub for some reason he instead says that both Iroha and her mother are too bullheaded and always want to get their way, which is why they keep clashing. This entirely misses the point of the exchange, being that Iroha was always giving up her own desires and her mother getting mad at her for not standing up for herself as indicated by the childhood flashback where she yells at Iroha for giving up her role in the school play. Iroha is living on her own and covering her own expenses and trying to get into the best school exactly becuas she is trying to prove to her mother that she can reach her own goals... while actually still just trying to please her mother and running away. The reasons he never picks up her mother's calls is because she knows she would cave in immediately if she talked to her again. And yet she constantly realizes that she is becoming like her mother in several scenes.

When Iroha confronts Yachiyo, the latter ends her explanation with "I guess it would be wrong to call this a happy ending?", but in the English dub she says that it didn't go as planned, but they got their happy ending anyway, which is the exact opposite of the point.

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A story about how a girl gets over her older women complex (but not really) by marrying her own daughter.

>>4521254
Yachiyo is a granny though? If anything she doubles down on her older woman fetish.

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Could some kindly anon give me a hand and explain to me who all the historical figures in Yachiyo's flashback were? I am pretty sure these are all historical japanese figutes that I am supposed to recognize, but I'm not educated on Jap history to that degree...

I think the little girl is in the ruins of either Hiroshima or Nagasaki after WW2? But who is the random French dude after that? There are flashbacks to other landmarks across the world too, so are they implying Yachiyo crossed the world?

>>4521248
I was just thinking how wild it is that netflix is specifically (at least in part) responsible for some of the most impressively yuri focused stories getting funded. Kaguya, Arcane and She-Ra are among my lifetime favorites now and I have to admit despite how much big companies suck this is basically the only production company that greenlights multimillion dollar yuri epics at the moment.

>>4521253
I noticed the subtitles and dubtitles were different immediately when I used a different release that didn't default to the subs. Not that anyone should need evidence that subs are the correct choice but the dub and its dubtitles clearly adlibbed some scenes and I can't imagine why they felt the need to do that since they would be working from a finalized script. I am hoping someone does proper subs and styles them for the songs so we can watch a more definitive release when the BD source is out.

>>4521267
didn't netflix only do distribution for arcane and it was entirely funded and developed in-house?

>>4521267
Netflix's EN subtitles for the Japanese dub are 100% accurate, unlike the EN dub, so you don't need someone to do another sub.
Like all the scenes I complained about being wrong are actually accurate on the EN subs for any other dub. I don't understand why dubs keep changing the script (I saw the same happen on the French and German dubs), but I guess that's just never gonna change. I still really like the English covers of the songs though. It gives the movie some extra rewatch value (as if it didn't already beg you to watch it at least twice). I just recommend watching the Japanese dub with subs first.

>>4521276
They mainly handle distribution so that sounds right. For Kaguya it looks like they signed a deal to co-produce a 3 movie deal and this was the final movie to be released.

>>4521298
wtf how do you get this?