Could be shorter and flatter.

she should be hrothgar with max tit sliders

>>732226242
But feral Xaela are superior

she cute

looks like shit

>>732225873
Time to search for a loli body mod.

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>Could have had some neat more predatory female race and even had reverse sexual dimorphism to give people a twink race too
>Receive catgirl but lizard
>Dawntrail comes out
>Catgirl but man

>>732226650
aieeeeee I deliberately played female in an anime game and all the options are cute anime girls instead of fuck ugly trannies! How could this happen to me! Better whine 24/7 because everything that appeals to people like me is gay and lame so I don't play it.

>>732225873
sex with this lizard

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>>732227051
>all the options are cute anime girls instead of fuck ugly trannies!
Where do you think we are?

>>732225873
My lalafell finds it curious they are about waist high to min height femra, you are honorary lalafell.
>*places sticker on wrist scales*

>>732226650
>newfags still pretending like they were shown the demonic concept art before au ra released
>newfags still pretending like the actual au ra we got weren't in the same batch of concept art along with lupins and viera as other possible designs

>>732225873
Somehow more of a pedo than Lalafell players

>>732226545
does an elin mod exist for ffxiv

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>>732225873

>>732227924
Femra seething was from before The Troubles

>>732225873
Are cameltoes possible?

>>732228751
My opinion is my own but I do post that image to bait, yeah

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>>732226650
Fixed.

>>732225873
Made for Elezen men.

>>732231673
Rare case of a "le less is more" edit actually fixing something.

>>732231673
Thanks. You're right.

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>>732225873
pedo

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>>732225873
tranny race

>>732232106
Yeah they really should have gone the Draph route for a short race

>>732232259
The person who made this image is just as mentally ill for even making it.

>>732232487
Quality troon cope right here.

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>>732232539
What did you- Wait a minute... I'm not mentally ill!

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>>732232487
T. roon Ra

>>732227924
i still lol at how her axe is covering the face of the WoL
it had to be intentional

>>732232487
t.Crystal player

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>>732232717
>>732232772
>YOU SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT TRANNIES, GET BACK HEREEE

>>732226650
Asians hate bestial races. You should not ever expect them and when they do happen they're just going to be furry-bait for the West.

>>732232608
>>732232813
based

>>732232813
lol

>>732232758
Feels like whoever had cutscene duty was havin' a giggle because they didn't NEED to cover Alisiae's face with the haft too. They could have swapped her and the WoL and we could see both of their faces

>>732232858
>Asians hate bestial races.
Weren't the Hrothgar a gift to YoshiP from himself?

>>732232813
>insert yourself into tranny conversation to defend trannies
>pretend you weren't talking about trannies
lol

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>>732232813

>>732225873
I do the same except max out the height because she's trans :3

>>732232858
>Asians hate bestial races
>Citation: Some faggot on a 14 thread on 4chan

>>732232960
>gift
Hrothgar only happened to make people shut the fuck up. The West had been bitching and moaning ever since ARR crying for more "non-pretty" races. Au Ra ending up like they did only made the bitching worse.

Best case scenario it was just an exercise for the team making a bestial race. Notice how they compromised and decided to release what they(and anyone with a clue) knew would be a dud race alongside the most highly requested race as well.

>>732233196
>retard
Look at Western produced MMOs like WoW or Guild Wars. Now look at Asian MMOs. Concession accepted, you are dismissed, learn your fucking place and shut the fuck up until you get a clue.

732233161
>don't get any (You)s
>immediately start falseflagging

>>732232813
Anon moment.

>>732225873
If you play a:
>femra
>fem miqo
>fem middie
Don't bother replying to me. I only associate with people that actually have class.

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>>732233294
Not sure if you meant to respond to my comment but I'm not OP. I am learning today that apparently trans femra is not uncommon but I guess it makes sense, femra are the cutest race and not as slutty/horny as catgirls or buff like femroes.

I headcanon that my femra had to shave her horns down

>>732225873
>Thoughts?
what this guy said >>732225921
but still would, if locked in a room with her for more than 32 minutes (a.k.a. "ancient egyptian style")

>>732233584
>it makes sense
no it doesn't
trannies don't make sense in a universe with fantasia that magically changes your gender instead of leaving you a drugged up and mutilated creature trying to cross an uncrossable chasm. especially not when au ra sexual dimorphism is as extreme as it is

>>732233696
maybe that half mutilated state is what they want
its weird but i guarantee that someone out there in all of creation would pick being a tr*nny even if fantasias were available irl

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>>732233696
My character doesn't believe in bastardized western "medicine" (have never used any of the free fantasias) and instead practices a traditional form of gender expression from her native culture (a wizard did it)

Might not make sense to your character's aether ravaged body/soul/mind but some of use like to remain pure

>>732232287
I'd fucking kill for a shortstack race holy fuck.

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Au Ra facial scales and horns always just look like some kind of protective headgear to me, which combined with their downy faces just makes them all look severely retarded to me

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>>732232813
>don't talk about obvious problem! you should be engrossed in it instead!

>>732225873
I like the hair. I dislike the red eyes.

I'm glad lalafell aren't a shortstack race. Gooners can fuck off.

>>732225873
built like a fridge lmao

>>732234361
all of those look cute though

>>732234896
Which eyes would suit her better?

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>>732225873
making limbal rings bright is a detriment to au ra design but at least you don't have 7 colors between the hair, eyes, skin, and scales.
Limbal rings being dark is a sign of youth and the game will never say that au ra eyes glow in the dark.

>>732234235
I hate that fat tiddies are hard to accommodate for in armor that needs to fit multiple body shapes

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>>732225873
I made this one earlier today
dragon girls are cute but I wish they were more dragon-y

>>732239660
they aren't dragons. either fish or lizards but likely lizards.

>>732240160
>Bahamut and Tiamat are called the Dawn Wyrm and Dusk Wyrm
>Azim is the Dawn Father and Nhaama is the Dusk Mother
Obviously their origins were rewritten tho.

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>>732225873
Can you beat me in PVP and do this to me?

>>732240160
yeah okay
my point still stands though

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>>732241131
all the way back in heavensward it was stated in their lore that they are known to not be related to dragons because they have extreme sexual dimorphism and their horns are their ears which isn't the case for dragons. not to mention the fact that Midgardsormr was always an alien.
If anything they'd be more likely to be half-voidsent via the way succubi look. the setting equivalent of tieflings. and if we go by stormblood lore then that whole region descends from allag who were demon summoners.
but no they are just lizards

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How would (you) fix 7.4.4.4.4.4.4.4.4?

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shall i resub?

>>732242880
yea
now what

>>732226650
Roes don't have cutesy faces why lie in the image?

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Femroe.

I'm glad Lalafell aren't shortstacks. They're hotter the way they are.

>>732243069
Worst post in the thread so far, congratulations, hope you're proud of yourself.

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>>732232858
>asians hate bestial races
how does this site attract so many drooling retards?

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>Lalafell aren't shortstacks
oh yeah well explain THIS

>>732243392
Worst sin ever committed by a dev.

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All Xaela should be scholarly autists

>>732243373
>Mithra
>bestial
Retard

>>732243373
>catgirl
You're a fucking moron.

>>732243392
stacked part is supposed to be the breasts, not the belly

>>732234472
You've been talking about this obvious problem for the last six years and it still hasn't gone anywhere.

>>732242880
Nah wait til Fanfest and see if the next Expac is gonna be anything worth a shit

>>732242335
congrats, you stole the pic from the actual Alphi poster for more attention

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Big riding. You know how it is.

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>>732242880

>>732225873
Moderately sexy lizard, anon

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>>732242973
Wrong!

>>732245314
looks like shit, thanks

>>732233696
Fantasias canonically are just an extremely potent narcotic that fucks you up enough to make you think you used to be a different person

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>>732232758
even the EP has his face half obscured lol, not our fuarking furry though

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>>732245314
Literally the face of a fat 14 year old boy.

>>732242880
I think there's a free sign in thing for a couple more days?
Could blitz through the new stuff

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Would you still love Nashu if she were an oglop?

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Reminder that Eorzea is rightful Elezen clay.

>>732247565
yuck

>>732247565
Please stop putting Michael Cera drag queen on my screen

>>732225873
>long hairstyle
Prepare to suffer.

>>732225873
femaura players were always turbo retarded
hated having to play with these cunts

>>732225873
UOHHHHH LIZARD NAIZURI

>>732232106
IMAGINE

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>>732247565
>check md5 in archives
>pic is posted exclusively by a lunatic

>>732247767
this.
Especially that particular one.

>>732225873
we need something of this build/height for guys

>>732248110
Midlander males

>>732247996
You're the one who posted it first lol, you thought you were actually making it sexy.

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>>732226650
Rabbits were the chosen ones, they were supposed to be shorter cute male rabbits stalked by big female ones!

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>>732248156
not even close

You fucking faggots have /vg/ already to post your shitty avatars

>>732246697
I love how Wuk somehow looks EVEN WORSE

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>>732245314
This looks like a butch girl I liked in middle-school and my heart is sad now.

>>732248265
>6'6
Damn I knew my Elezen wasn't tall enough

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Samurais, specially femra SAMs need to get over Kaiten.

>>732248343
Kaiten was a busywork button but it felt good to push, and thematically was sheathing your sword before the iaijutsu.

>jobs are getting a major rework in 8.0
>but if you like how jobs play now dw nothing will change about them in 8.0
thanks yoship

>>732247767
>>732248019
You don't know suffering until you run the drills haircut.

>>732248417
He said they're not going to revamp the entire combat system you SILLY WILLY

>>732248492
yoship has had a bad habit this expansion of phrasing things in the worst looking way possible
>cut due to cost

>>732248591
Seems like mistranslation is getting worse too

>>732248343
>>732248373
Kaiten was the last shred of soul for any class that wasn't BM. I hear they gutted BM in Dawntrail too meaning every class in the game now plays the exact same lmao. No idea how the playerbase actually seems to enjoy the bland slop the iconic FF classes have become.

>>732248343
Not even a sam player, Kaiten is cool

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>>732248492
>yfw when they shuffle all the group buffs / debuffs into personal buffs on different timers so there is no group buff meta

>>732248634
he should probably actually hire live translators instead of relying on unpaid discordians

>>732248676
>>732248492
>>732248417
>Scholar
Learns Praise, a GCD skill that grants target party member damage up for 5 seconds.
Cleric Stance returns, but is renamed as Dark Arts/Light Arts.
In Dark Arts, Adloquium will transform into Broil. Succor will transform into Art of War. Physick will transform into Biolysis. Ruin II will transform into Miasma.
Swapping back to Light Arts returns them to healing spells.
All faerie abilities now use the faerie gauge as a resource.
The faerie gauge is refilled by using Energy Drain.
Under Dark Arts, Energy Drain simply becomes Drain and deals a significant amount of damage while also returning MP and HP to the party, but does not refill faerie gauge.
Sacred Soil's field is reduced to its original size, but multiple Sacred Soils may be placed at once. Sacred Soil is renamed to Asylum.
Chain Strategem is renamed to Libra.

>Astrologian
Core design is reverted to Stormblood era. Royal Road returns.
Draw is reduced to a 10 second cooldown.
Casting a card also deals direct damage to the target enemy.
Learns Hastega, a GCD cast that increases the GCD rate and cooldown rate of all party members. No cooldown.
Time Dilation doubles the time of all party buffs, even those not cast by the AST.
Learns Comet, a GCD filler spell that deals random damage between 100 and 1000 potency. Does not replace Malefic.
Learns Reflect, a GCD on a 30 second cooldown which reflects all incoming magic damage.
Learns Death, an 8 second cast GCD that has a chance to kill non-boss enemies. If the instant kill effect does not trigger, it instead deals massive damage.

>>732248637
"Gutted" is an extremely strong word that I don't think applies. What changed the most about BLM this expansion were Thunder (this spell actually was gutted) and spell cast times
>every class plays the same
Dummy
>>732248676
I wouldn't be opposed at all actually, an expansion of group buffs dying would be a cool experiment

>>732248676
At this point that would be the best thing for the game. Everything revolving around the two minute timer is fucking retarded and it's strongly hamstringing their ability to make engaging jobs.

So now that the dust has settled, whats the TLDR on what happened to Kate?

>>732249038
Fired

>>732225873
>minimum height and bust setting
>not minimum height and maximum bust
Nigga you a gay pedo

>>732249038
Who cares

At this point they need to decide
>keep the current playerbase using the same formula
>Make something for old and veteran players to return
>Change the game to get new players
Because right now for new players, I wonder how the fuck they have the patience to play the game at low levels, I started a new char after I finished Endwalker and that was boring as fuck, if you start the MSQ as a Conjurer is probably the worst experience you will have in a MMO.

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look how fucking flat she is
god damn that's hot

>>732249171
The new player experience hasn't changed very much since... God, I don't know if it ever has actually changed. 1 to 30 or even up to 50 was still painful even while leveling in Heavensward.

>>732249161
i mean its a bit important because if they fired her because of all of the translation mistakes this expansion then its a sign of better things to come but if they fired her cuz of le politics then theres no guarantee her successor will be any better at their job

>>732232259
Objectively speaking most transwomen play femra and catgirl

>>732249171
it's so bad i found arr to be such a slog....

>>732249171
white mage not having blood lily at 50 is unacceptable honestly
jobs should get something interesting much quicker so im not constantly stuck in roulettes with (actually) gutted toolkits

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>>732225873
I prefer dudes in armor

>>732248676
Trying to take party buffs away from bards and dancers is how you get firebombed offices

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>>732249625
You'll still have your utility damage reduction / healing / healing buff.

>>732249625
It's a tricky balance to make, everybody started getting party buffs by default while the party buffers got watered down because Bard, Astrologian and Scholar were overly represented in high-end groups, but now all three of those guys are weird or boring and everybody getting a buff by default is one of the main homogenization complaints

>>732249625
Bard party buffs should be something actively maintained through the fight, no Battle Voice burst window.
Dancer should have no party buffs except for Shield Samba. Dances should only buff the dance partner and you have to learn when your partner's job is bursting so you can buff them for it.

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>>732244925
>tfw I will never have this mount because I cannot into savage

>>732249942
parsebrain

>>732249942
Parsefags are the worst.

>>732249942
If you're gonna take away the buffs you'd better take away the range tax with it.

>>732250231
Just raid bro
It's fun
The fuck else do you have to do in this dogass game?

>>732250231
don't worry, in another few expansions you might be able to just solo brutalize the shit out of him (actually probably not if they freeze the level cap at 100)

>>732250268
>>732250284
Parsetrannies want an easy predictable two minute meta THO. Bard being about maintaining buffs the whole fight lets it maintain the spirit of being a support job without enforcing a strict timeline meta. Dancer not having party buffs at all does the same (honestly DNC shouldn't be a buffer job at all, it's traditionally a debuffer but Dance Partner is its thing in this game so we'll work around it).

>>732250340
Here's the actual parsetranny. No, range tax comes from having full free uptime. If you want damage then play a damage job instead of a support job.

>>732250340
>Looks at the absolute state of MCH
Sure dog they'll get right on it

>>732250340
nope, range tax is the trade off for being able to keep uptime during movement more easily than melee and casters
they'll never get rid of it, you will always be low on the damage charts

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>>732250356
>Just raid bro
>It's fun


No, people are assmad faggots in high end raids who start screeching because you didn't keep uptime or you didn't use an ability at the right moment after the burst window, etc. I just wanna play bro. As long as we're getting clears who cares if it takes ten minutes and 20 seconds or ten minutes and 40 seconds? Fuck off with that shit.

After EW tier 2 I had enough of all that shit. I'll do extremes and unreal but that's about the extent of the autism I'm willing to put up with.

>>732250231
So you can see it and show it off fucking where?
Open world is empty save for Hunts and those are all tranny led and complete shit gameplay wise.
We haven't had a town we can mount up in a millennia.
Adventure Forays are legit I guess but you can't fly in them so you only get half the experience.
You'll get the most bang out of it when a new expansion drops and for like the 1st month after before everyone disappears.

>>732250671
>So you can see it and show it off fucking where?

You think I actually give a fuck what's happening on anyone's screen other than my own?

>>732250789
then just mod it?

>>732250789
Then mod it in, problem solved.

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>>732250840
>>732250830
>mod it in

degenerates. profligates!

>randomly brings up his thread enemy unprompted
?????

>>732251546
You VILL look at my vagueposting maymay

>>732251474
>>732251437
>1 minute apart

I cheat in every aspect of the game and have 40 plugins turned on at any given time
I cheat in all normal and savage content, all my crafting and gathering and also cheat in pvp
I will never be caught or punished ever because SE doesn't care and there is no anticheat

>>732249171
>Friend watches Dawntrail trailer
>Thinks Viper is cool
>I tell him that you must be lvl 80 for it
>He asks me if leveling is so fast as Wow
>I tell him "nope"
>Doesn't bother to ever install it.
Doesn't make sense having so many jobs behind levels anymore, like next ones are going to be lvl 90? someone will think Viper is lv 80 because is a powerful or complex job.

>>732225873
does this game still have only 4 faces?

>>732249365
I mained BLM for three expansions and every time I had to roulette I'd change to something else because ARR BLM felt like shit

>>732251931
someone post the monster hunter wilds collab image

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>>732232858
who can blame them? Unless you're some furfag who cares about bestial races? Sorry I don't get the appeal of having your characters look like a hunched back fag in a fursuit, I'll just keep making dudes in armor and waifus in bikinis

>>732225873
>control F "hime"
>control F "pattsun"
>control F "bangs"
>control F "hair", 1 result
Barely passing grade, disappointing thread.

>>732252150
I'm still shocked after the hulks that were Roes and how unpopular they were that they decided to make the Hrothgar even more hunched over rather than something more like Ronso

Not only does it look like shit, it makes designing armor for them even harder

>>732243069
I want to have sex with the big lady

>>732252150
look at zzz if you want to see how to design beast characters that appeal to the asian market

>>732252264
Probably gave them the hunch so they didn't just look like roes with lion heads

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Nobody wants to make just a Midlander

>>732252325
They didn't have to make them built like shitbrick houses, though

>>732252402
Sorry but I needed the oldest looking woman I could find and also a race that could be blue

>>732248156
...have some of the derpiest faces in the game

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>>732252426
Ronso kinda are built like brick shithouses

>>732252402
I wish human females were real

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>>732252465
HE'S BUILT LIKE WUK LAMAT

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA...fun

Mods ruined this game.
>Hey let's sync
>I don't have any mods
>Oh...
>Stops replying to me
>Rinse repeat ad nauseum
I regret buying DT thinking it would be kino instead I got California-tier writing. Not even joining a FC can save the game for me because each one I've joined so far has people always complaining about politics and them being trans. Shit is so tiring.

>>732252739
chatgpt ahh post

>>732251967
I think male twink human has 5? or 6?
but basically yeah still 4

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>This is FFXIV now
So glad I left for WoW Midnight.

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>>732252739
its kinda depressing

>people won't rp if you don't have mods
>people won't rp if you aren't lewd
>people won't actually rp, they play as an idealized version of themselves and are unable to pretend to be something else

this phenomenon isn't just in 14 mind you. but pretty much everywhere.

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>>732252854
That or they're on a European data center, in my experience most people in the FC I'm in are talking about the game, mostly the new content like relic grinds even on the infamous Crystal worlds.

>>732225873
i want to see her feet

>>732252465
Not to mention that Kimahri was considered a runt compared to other Ronso.

Nothing wrong with a Niche races, and I thought using Hroths so that they can give players a predominately female race was a good compromise. Execution was fucking horrible though. More so on the Lions than the bunnies but both needed more time. and it only took forever to really start fixing them up.

>be straight male irl
>play female highlander ingame
>get approached by actual women multiple times
>get told that highlander and roe women are often picked by lesbian women to avoid being harassed by trannies, because the trannies are addicted to cuteness and "hate the innate mannish looks of the highlanders and roegadyn because it triggers them"
>lesbian women would rather ERP with a straight man on a female highlander than a tranny playing a catgirl because the real man is less psychotic and manipulative than the man pretending to be a woman

I lol
What a world the US has created

>>732253048
Hilarious if true

>>732252937
American on American server spotted.

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>>732252931
did you now? i was seeing this webm spammed around with "we like this" /vg/ memes during dragonflight

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>>732252937
It wasn't like this either. I use to visit RP Taverns on the regular and there are still some but they're not the same. The same shit applies there people are all wanting to sync up to show you their modbeast. The community has changed I feel melancholic because I did enjoy this game a lot but the people who weren't coomers have moved on for the most part. It's so fucking gay and retarded. People have failed to separate themselves from fantasy.

The only reason why I even have a running sub at this point is to sell gil which I run a bot to craft/gather 24/7 which brings in enough money to pay for the sub and extra cash on the side. It's pretty hilarious the amount of people who buy gil in this game.

>>732253114
europeans aren't human so its not even a question there

>>732252402
Everyone uses that same face and their running animation is stupid

>>732252937
Fuck everyone else, just RP yourself no matter what. People tend to join in here and there to just roll with the flow. Others willnmake fun but fuck them. Play your own way Story RP bro. The people you want will gravitate to you in the end.

>>732253048
what does that say about me then if i love both thighlanders and femroes?

>>732253157
how on earth is gil profitable. its like 60 cents a million. the computing power to run bots has got to be worth more than that

>>732225873
these are the ideal female proportions

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>>732253142
Well do you like it? That is what your game has mainly become. I still remember when I first played this game I saw a male roegadyn named Uncle Adolf with the eternal bond haircut and the face. I thought "wow this game isn't filled with those who ruined WoW" but today if someone did that they'd be banned fairly fast.

>>732253215
That you might like adult women rather than teenagers.

>>732253215
You like you women more manly than the average.
That's fine, some women like their men to be effeminate kpop boy band sissies too.
It goes both ways.

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So how are they gonna follow up the arcadion and what people like about it without feeling like a huge rip-off? its hard to think of other scenarios where "each fight has a unique theme with a narrator that dynamically reacts to the fight" makes sense

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>>732253228
20m gil is like $11. I've had someone buy 100m gil from me for $40. People don't play this game so they don't make gil. But they need the items to mod for their character so they can sit around and play second life.

>>732253369
i have no idea. it might just be lightning in a bottle. arcadion outdoing the MSQ was very unlikely to be intended. i hope they figure it out

>>732253214
i understand that notion, but the latter most point bothers me the most. they're not playing their characters, they're playing themselves. it usually goes hand in hand with pillow princessing, in both the lewd and nonlewd senses

>>732253279
you went back to WoW because you don't like mods and you don't like WoW players?

>>732253369
The Arcadion is over, it was a one-time funny wrestling parody. Like Yoshi said, he wants to us to think of DT in the same way as the OG game before ARR, necessary to set up a new and improved world. Likely with new shards and timeskips, and raids will be back to fighting ascians and gods.

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>>732253369
Follow up Arcadion? This is FFXIV where the only proper lay-ups you get are shit that women like.

>>732253518
I went to classic with other jaded faggot boomers who wish MMOs were what they were like in the early 2000s.

>>732253048
Ahhh, the good ol' lesbians don't actually exist realization.

>>732253539
>he wants to us to think of DT in the same way as the OG game before ARR, necessary to set up a new and improved world
I like the innuendo in that comparison

>>732253581
the poster i initially replied to said they left for midnight...

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>>732225921
Should be taller and fatter.

>>732253515
>arcadion outdoing the MSQ
I like all the hubub about better encounter design which you can feel in the raids but then you look at DT's trials and its just
>stationary boss
>boss whose hitbox is so big it might as well be stationary
>stationary boss
>boss whose hitbox is so big it might as well be stationary
>stationary boss
>stationary boss

>>732225873
Looks exactly like every other FFXIV character using this race.

>>732253635
I'm not that anon. I've used the free login campaign to get through DT's MSQ without spending a dime. It took until 7.4 for the MSQ to self correct. So I'm somewhat optimistic for 8.0 but my expectations are high if the reveal doesn't make me feel tingles I'm skipping it and take my mazed ass to classic era or better yet I'm just going to stop playing MMOs in general.

>>732253662
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU

>>732253750
there's nothing inherently wrong with wall bosses imho

the 'hitbox is so big it might as well be stationary' is an issue, and think its more an issue of the arenas being so small

They should remove positionals so they can make better fights. The reason positionals still exist is because the min/max fags

>>732253994
they need to make them matter or just get rid of them imo

>>732253883
i just feel like its rare for the boss being a wall boss to actually make that much of a difference in a fight. or in other words, its rarely well designed enough that the loss in complexity when it comes to movement, etc. is worth it. giant hitboxes + small arenas is a similar thing, its just another way to achieve the feeling of a wallboss without actually making it a wallboss

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>>732253369
yeah that's gore magala

>>732253048
...but aren't you also literally pretending to be a woman?

>>732254102
scale is important imo. Valigarmanda is a good example. he's huge but too skinny to fight on top of him. it is getting a little tiresome finding perfectly square pillars to fight monsters on though

>>732254284
queen eternal is my favorite extreme so far this expansion, but the best wall boss they've ever done was neo exdeath

Though DT was shit because Tural was like a daycare and you had to babysit Wuk Latranny, all the actual content has been really good. I'm hoping they'll make the next expansion more adult and not be afraid of letting people die to create some real tension.

>>732254473
Muh stakes muh deaths


plenty of people died you media illiterate troon.

>>732254519
the way they died was funny tho
remember genocide tacos?

>>732254519
endwalker had the perfect chance to get rid of all of the scions to kick off this "clean slate" meme that dawntrail failed to do

>>732254519
the only thing that died was my optimism

>Not playing as an oppai-loli Mi'qitten slut

ngmi

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>>732225873
good, Au Ra are the true loli race.
potato niggers need not apply.

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>>732255021
lala

>>732255142
She looks like she farted and she wasn't expecting it.

>>732253539
>Like Yoshi said, he wants to us to think of DT in the same way as the OG game before ARR
You mean he said it was supposed to be the new ARR until he decided that actually 8.0 would be the new ARR. Just like 6.1-6.5 was supposed to be the new ARR until he pushed it back to DT.

>>732255417
>until he decided that actually 8.0 would be the new ARR
I think he dropped it entirely instead of this
>6.1-6.5 was supposed to be the new ARR
Lol what

>>732232858
Non-kemonomimi races have been around jrpgs for a long time. Look at old school jrpgs like Breath of Fire or Shining Force. If anything humans with cat ears are becoming less popular as a design choice in Japanese RPGs.

>>732243373
These are cat girls that dipped their nose in paint.

Why don't they just make an expansion where it's Dawntrail but you're on Koana's team and get to hang out with Thancred, Urianger and Estinien instead of redditor siblings

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>>732255636
You want to avoid Redditors by pairing off with Koana?????????????????????

>>732255672
We could groom the redditor into not being one through the story
Alphinaud is unfixable

>>732255636
Bro that IS the reddit team

>>732255824
No it's not, it's an extrovert with his introvert quirked up friend just hanging around. Estinien would fuck off somewhere because he has autism and then we'd just have fun straightening this catboy into not being so gay.
It's perfect

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>spawning cassie doesn't give light

>>732225873
Being a flat girl must be fuckin' great. I'm truly jealous when I see girls with this physique.

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>>732232608
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>>732248343
Kaiten was cool. Literally just extra style points by twirling your sword before sheathing it for your ultra super kill move, which is cool and rad. Removing it is only lame. I don't give a fuck about the mechanical implication of removing it. They could add Kaiten back, say it EXPLICITLY does nothing but the sword twirl animation, and I would still press it every time before I do Iaijutsu.

>>732256367
How many times you gonna reply to your own post bud?

>>732256528
until he runs out of his daily pedoproxy upload limit, I suppose

>>732255636
Nobody cares anymore.
They should just pretend like the southern part of Tural doesn't exist.

>>732256637
I mean we'll get that wish anyways like how the game basically doesn't reference Ishgard or Doma ever again until the MSQ randomly decides they're relevant.

too many people talk about wuk lamat as a mary sue, not enough people talk about tural as a mary sue setting

>>732256716
For it to be a Mary Sue setting the game would have to believe Tural is perfect and it doesn't do that, the nation just doesn't have any enormous problems that aren't from Zoraal Ja flailing his head around like a screaming parrot

>>732256786
i would believe this if i had faith in the developers that gulool ja ja being a really shitty father/leader was the intended subtext instead of just the unintended result of really shitty writing decisions

>>732225873
That's just an anime girl, not a lizard

>>732256860
I'm interested how you came to the idea that Gulool Ja Ja is a shitty father when it's Zoraal Ja that's the only one of the three who has anything wrong with him and as far as we know, had an identical upbringing

>>732256910
exactly, galool ja ja is not a shitty father zoraal ja is just insane because we need a villain and wuk lamat was never taught anything about the country she is a princess of because we need a reason for the plot to happen

>>732256910
>when it's Zoraal Ja that's the only one of the three who has anything wrong with him
Come on now.

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>>732256871
Why not both?

Lizard? Looks like some chink painted grey..

>>732256952
Zoraal Ja is just insane for the same reason Zenos is stronger than you are when you first meet, Varis believes all Garlean propaganda even after being told his whole empire and sense of national pride is a false flag, and Elidibus is not only Zodiark but the source of the Warrior of Light mythos.
>wuk lamat was never taught anything about the country she is a princess of
She probably just wasn't compelled to, given Zoraal Ja is apparently equally clueless about local cultures while having actually gone around Tural as part of his Landsguard work. The expectation that she know all this already comes with the presumptive question of "why would she already know that?" She isn't the first Ignorant Princess character to ever exist, I don't consider this a knock against the character or the story. "Things are this way so the plot can happen" is, uh, no shit, that's a story.

>>732225873
femra girls are so cute... especially the one that I'm dming with

>>732257117
>"Things are this way so the plot can happen" is, uh, no shit, that's a story.
the point is that if you take the plot seriously the only conclusion you can draw is that gulool ja ja is a massive retard
of course this was not the intended reading because that idea is never explored, you were always intended to take it entirely at face value that gulool ja ja is the good father and leader the game presents himself as

>>732257117
>Zoraal Ja is just insane for the same reason Zenos is stronger than you are when you first meet, Varis believes all Garlean propaganda even after being told his whole empire and sense of national pride is a false flag, and Elidibus is not only Zodiark but the source of the Warrior of Light mythos.
What is this even supposed to mean? He's insane because the writers said so? Yeah?
>The expectation that she know all this already comes with the presumptive question of "why would she already know that?"
The things she doesn't know are basic greetings from people she speaks to daily.

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>>732257392
Of course it's not explored, the obvious read is Zoraal Ja has something fundamentally wrong with him that his upbringing can't explain. Wrong with him and only him, because his own son is fine, it's not the dual tribe parentage.

>>732231673
Doing God's work, son

>>732257439
>the obvious read is Zoraal Ja has something fundamentally wrong with him that his upbringing can't explain. Wrong with him and only him
right and if gulool ja ja wasn't a massive retard he would've dealt with his son's obvious mental illness in a better way than giving him control over an entire army and putting his 'fundamentally wrong' son in a contest that's practically designed to eat at his insecurities
which brings me again to
>of course this was not the intended reading because that idea is never explored

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>>732225873
>Thoughts?
Sexo Lizzer

>>732225873
what does she smell like

>>732257587
I don't think his mental illness was at all obvious to his immediate family. Zoraal Ja turning out to be batshit insane comes at a surprise to everyone. Wuk Lamat and Koana are disgusted that he had patricidal urges and nobody's sure of why he has such an inferiority complex or an obsession with bringing war to other continents. That's all pretty new to everybody, the way the game frames it. I think your complaint is Gulool Ja Ja isn't psychic?

>>732257439
Wuk and Koana also both have serious problems and the problems each of them have are things that could have been solved through proper parenting.

>>732257704
Wuk's a shut-in that larps as a genki girl and Koana's a Redditor. Both reprehensible but not really on the level of Zoraal Ja thinking he can only prove himself if his father is killed

>>732257665
well unless zoraal ja was hit by a truck 5 minutes before dawntrail (and conveniently ignoring even before going sicko mode that wuk's whole reason for getting us to help was to prevent zoraal ja from winning the contest because even she admitted he was dangerous) such serious mental illness doesn't just come from nowhere. unless the plot demands it I suppose.
>I think your complaint is Gulool Ja Ja isn't psychic?
I've already stated my complaint, which is that the obvious reading of the plot of dawntrail was unintended by the writers, showing that the writing was sloppy

>>732257854
I disagree entirely your interpretation of the given text was the obvious one, mostly because you're given context clues as early as Krile's Echo heart attack that something is just insanely wrong with Zoraal Ja beyond his warmongering demands.

>>732257392
They wanted us to believe that Zoraal was a retard. How else do you explain him being surprised at sex making babies?

>>732257665
The fact that it came as a surprise is baffling.
>guy openly talks about wanting to wage war for the sake of teaching his people a lesson (later this is proven not to be his motivation I guess)
>even his own sister thinks he's a psycho and that's her sole reason for getting off her lazy ass and doing something
>Krile (an empath) takes one look at him and goes "oh he's a psycho"
>later takes another look at him and goes "he wants to murder Wuk Lamat right now"
>constantly acts like an edgelord
>calls the deadliest army in recent history that nearly conquered the entire world a congregation of simpletons and that he could actually pull it off
>when he loses to a ghost he has a visible mental breakdown in front of everybody
>Bakool Ja Ja after his face-turn for some reason doesn't think to tell anybody that Zoraal Ja was the one that paid him to kidnap Wuk Lamat
If Gulool Ja Ja is supposedly a good leader (that values peace, specifically) and a good father, he would have done something other than let this fucking guy compete to become king. The entire crux of the story is retarded. I will give some credit that some of the retardation is because Zoraal Ja clearly went through numerous rewrites, which is why a lot of stuff surrounding him flip-flops on his motivation and personality, comes across as really convoluted, and only ever gets skin deep. He's just a really poorly written villain and most of the stuff surrounding him is kind of nonsensical and contrived for the plot, just like everything in DT.

>>732257928
Zoraal Ja is emotionally unstable because he feels he has impossible standards to live up to. You act like he's the inheritor of some ancient curse that just makes him fundamentally evil and there's nothing anyone could have done because he's just Satan incarnate. He's not. Gulool Ja Ja is a shitty parent and we can see how he failed all three of his children. I find it especially funny that this cope is coming off of you trying to claim Tural isn't a mary sue country, and now you're saying anon is a retard who can't follow a story for saying Gulool Ja Ja isn't perfect.

>>732249192
Yes, please.

>>732257928
ok and that goes back to my earlier point about gulool ja ja being a massive retard, and besides writer-intended gulool doesn't seem like the type of father to just let his son be a warmonger. even if its "for the sake of peace" (god I hope not). like did he ever ask his son to expand on his philosophy?
and even giving the writers the biggest benefit of the doubt ever that doesn't change all the other retarded subtext and even main text such as letting an insane bigoted bully into the contest, not being more active in his daughter's education, and dying in the most retarded way possible
the fact that none of this is ever justified or explored beyond the surface level is what leads me to believe the writers just didn't think that much about what they were writing. or maybe there were hasty rewrites/deadlines that prevented them from fleshing out what they needed to. though given that 7.1-7.4 explored pretty much nothing of this i kinda doubt that. maybe there's some elaboration in the short stories I haven't read yet.

>>732258213
like father like son. that's my interpretation because its what makes the most sense. let's not forget he had 30 years to prepare for an invasion and it failed spectacularly
though honestly i think they just didn't know what they wanted us to think given how confused the post-fight cutscene of his death was

>>732258323
>You act like he's the inheritor of some ancient curse that just makes him fundamentally evil and there's nothing anyone could have done because he's just Satan incarnate
that's kinda the only way you can rationalize his behavior tho given how baffling and retarded every decision he makes is. though most likely because of rewrites, ofc, as other anon said

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cope, rewrites, character reads not supported by the text... everything is coming together just as planned

>>732254519
Shut the fuck up, tranny tourist.

>>732258323
>You act like he's the inheritor of some ancient curse that just makes him fundamentally evil and there's nothing anyone could have done because he's just Satan incarnate.
Unmedicated BPD among royalty does that yeah. There seems a deliberate avoidance of what the game tells you (Zoraal Ja is a freak with no reason) in favor of an idea the game doesn't imply and repeatedly contradicts (Gulool Ja Ja is a bad father)

>>732225873
this is not a lizard

>>732258614
>Zoraal Ja is a freak with no reason
ok and so the responsible thing would be for his parent to put him in a place where he can't hurt anyone. instead he gave him military command and seemed completely unaware of his own son's many many problems, and so
>Gulool Ja Ja is a bad father
is the obvious reading
>but they didn't know he was a PSYCHO psycho until we were already there!
it's already been posted the ways that it doesn't make sense, but even ignoring that we are left then with the conclusion of
>Gulool Ja Ja is a retarded father
so in fact it is not a 'deliberate avoidance of what the game tells you' but in fact the very obvious conclusion from the details the game DOES give you. Maybe if the game gave more details about his character, past, relationships, ANYTHING, this would not be so.

>>732258614
>There seems a deliberate avoidance of what the game tells you (Zoraal Ja is a freak with no reason)
That's not what the game tells you. It gives you a reason. Maybe you're the one who has a "bad character read"?
>an idea the game doesn't imply and repeatedly contradicts (Gulool Ja Ja is a bad father)
One of his children is an incompetent NEET. One has a visceral hatred of all tradition and especially his own people. One has severe emotional issues regarding his self worth. Yes, Gulool Ja Ja is a bad father. We can see what his parenthood resulted in. You can keep saying "UMM BUT THE TEXT DIDN'T EXPLICITLY SAY THAT!" all you want, but some of us are actually capable of reading and comprehending beyond the strict words in dialogue boxes.

>>732258767
>It gives you a reason
As in he doesn't have reason, reading comprehension failure immediately followed by failed Uno reverse

>>732258614
>in favor of an idea the game doesn't imply and repeatedly contradicts
it 'contradicts' by just beating us over the head with "GULOOL JA JA IS A GREAT LEADER AND A GREAT FATHER. TURAL IS A GREAT PLACE" but thinking about this any deeper than the surface level reveals that this doesn't make any sense. so, you either have to reconstruct the interpretation so that it does make sense or accept that nobody in dawntrail is written like an actual person because the writing is bad. you can see both schools of thought itt

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>>732232813
kek, fuckin gottem

>>732248343
The irony is that SAM is the best it has ever been in DT. EW SAM was some real dogshit though.

>>732258860
>As in he doesn't have reason
No, he does have a reason. One which was already told you to in this very conversation. Would you like me to hold your hand through it again?

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>>732258886
As in resolve and reason, dumbfuck
Lead yourself through your own reading comprehension a few more times

To say DT wasn't rewritten who knows how many times is ridiculous imho I still think about how the Yuweyawata final boss was blatantly meant to be Cahciua

>>732258957
>uhmm actually you're just stupid for not knowing that i'm dynamically changing my usage of reason within the same context hehe gottem
HAHAHA FUNNY! But anyway, Zoraal Ja does have a reason for being insane. The lack of a head of reason represents his lack of guidance, not a literal lack of 'reason' in his being.

>>732258762
The responsible thing is being a mind reader and caging him before he can do anything or say anything?

I wish T'kebbe and Khloe would piss in my mouth.

>>732248898
Blame all the raid babies. They're the ones who cried the loudest about buffs not being perfectly lined up for their rotation. Since they cater to the raid crowd it will never go away.

>>732259041
Oh shit this is a chatbot in the wild, no wonder it was conflating "reason" with "a reason"

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>And what about the story of the person who religiously defended an MMO expansion against any and all criticism, only for it to turn out he didn't play it himself? Couldn't possibly be true, right?
>*Smirks*
>This one's real. It happened on 4chan's /v/ board between 2024 and 2026.

>>732234472
Not my problem

>>732259097
>losing an argument? just call him a bot!
What you said was "a freak with no reason". As in, no reason for being how he is. Which was your argument up until you decided you were talking about him lacking a head of reason, because apparently you're so unbelievably fucking stupid and autistic that you think it means he literally lacks all logic and reason and not that it means he feels lost.

>>732259012
How would that plot point even have worked?

>>732259167
>>732259104
You were more interesting when you were begging for Soken's cancer to metastasize and dumping lorebook pages.

>>732259053
even if we agree with your extremely sketchy interpretation that his mental illness only suddenly appeared when it was most plot convenient its still improbable to me that the writer-presented character of gulool ja ja would let his warmongering son have control over a military force and be given the responsibility of potentially becoming the next dawnservent. like, maybe instead of 'caging him before he can do anything or say anything' (because we only think in black and white on /v/ for some reason), he would send him to sharlayan with koana to get those bad ideas out of his head.
"we had no idea he was mentally ill he just snapped suddenly" is a bad excuse often given by neglectful parents btw but I digress

>>732249340
what the fuck is a transwoman

>>732259208
There you go, start screaming about random boogeymen. That's a good bitch.

>>732259229
>only suddenly appeared when it was most plot convenient
Like Zenos?

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>>732259208
How'd you know the Beyond Belief post was aimed at you? Guilty conscience?

>>732259306
>>732259256
"Random"
"You"

>>732259294
Like Zenos who had a neglectful father and delegated the raising of him to teachers and maidservants?

>>732259347
Just keep tagging random posts and boogeyman posting, it will make an actual argument spawn from the aether! Keep going, little bitch! You can do it! Who's a good bitch? You are, you are!

>>732259294
zenos was insane, but
1) he was insane from the start, instead of his insanity suddenly appearing when the plot needs him to be insane
2) his insanity was a core part of the idea behind his character, instead of just as a mental mcguffin to justify any action the plot demands the character to do
3) his mental illness still made sense. you could say he made bad decisions but they were still consistent with his twisted view of reality
4) even despite being a total psycho he manages to have a complete character arc that doesn't force the audience to do the writer's job for them in justifying why he acts the way he acts

>>732259229
What's with the schizo picking up your argument too

>>732259436
?

>>732259436
In case you weren't aware, 4chan is a public forum and anyone here can see and reply to posts. So when you say something stupid, multiple people are allowed to call you retarded.

>>732259456
He realized he can't actually back up his argument anymore so now he's going to shit up the thread with schizoposting.