>>732240920
4 is a bad video game. V is a bad MGS game.

>>732240920
4>2>1>3>5

>>732240959
4 is a good video game that comes with a kino move, I don't see what's wrong with it.
V is a good MGS game even if it is very different from the others. It still has good themes, and atmosphere. Even if it's not as story heavy as other MGS games, I still love it for what it is.

>>732241010
Why is 3 so low?

4 remaster will be revealed in these two weeks
trust the plan
the R6 collab isn't random

>>732241171
>4 remaster
you mean MC2 right?

>>732241212
I can't see them releasing 4 on it's own, so it should be
the only old game I could see remastered outside of any collection is Rising due to being a Platinum Games title

what mgs do I start with?

>>732241370
1>2>3>4>PW>5

>>732241048
Most people that dont like 4 still were on a ps2 for half a decade after the ps3 was out. mgs4 was is the most revolutionary game in history. The graphics havent been topped yet. You could fucking crouch hump??? What other shitty stealthy game has mechanics beyond stay in the rafters or stay in the shadows? None.

>>732241370
best to do release order, so get the collection
the remake is fine as a start since MGS3 works very well standalone, but it's a single game
MG1 can be skipped somewhat but do NOT skip MG2
(MG1/MG2 are NOT MGS1 and MGS2)

>>732241513
>The graphics havent been topped yet.
They were literally topped by MGSV

>>732240920
>And 3 is one of the best games of all time.
That ending fucking sucked because apparently Boss supported the US, but was also willing to risk killing Snake in a fight. Shit was retarded.

>>732240920
I hate how BB keeps being treated as a dindu

>>732241594
The Boss is called "joy", she love to fight even if it goes against her ideology like Raiden
She wanted to face Snake in a fair fight, for him to be her true successor.

>>732241048
>4 is a good video game that comes with a kino move
Kino movie my ass.

>>732241687
>She wanted to face Snake in a fair fight, for him to be her true successor.
Let me say this louder for you: IF SHE WON, AMERICA DOESN'T GET THE MONEY! Y'know the thing she was fucking sent out to do and claims to be dedicated to?

>>732241696
If I saw that movie, I'd demand my money back.

>>732241093
I didnt like changing my camo

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I liked the remake

>>732241865
I hate the UE5 style so much, ruins the sovl of the original

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>>732241902
there's an option to add back the original color grading of the game at least

>>732241865
the boss is hot

>>732241786
Some concessions have to be made. Logically The Boss couldn't have won, at most she would have tried to get some satisfaction out of fighting her student one last time and ultimately threw the fight, but that would have been unsatisfying for the player.
One could argue that The Boss had been gauging Snake's evolution all game long, willingly sending The Cobras to their deaths at his hand in order to further shape him and help him lose his innocence and hesitation, a process she herself saw as each time she and Snake fought in hand to hand he managed to fight back a little more, believing he was finally ready to surpass her by the moment she issued the final challenge. But if Snake had simply been unprepared by that point she simply would have let him win anyway, for her mission required her to

>>732240920
Can we be real for a moment. Metal Gear has lost a LOT of popularity across the years. For as popular and memed as it was Metal Gear Rising actually sold quite mediocre and it wasn't a bad video game either. The Metal Gear brand isn't that strong. It may be Konami's biggest series but it's not even beating Assassin's Creed and you got to remember how criticized Assassin's Creed was for many years even before the existence of the recent game.

Metal Gear has lost a lot of popularity in general. See how Metal Gear Solid Delta only sold one million units despite being on TWO consoles. And since its a remake of a prequel game you would think more newcomers would jump in but they didn't. To new gamers Metal Gear is some old irrelevant thing. Even games like the first Kingdom Hearts have managed to keep on trending around in recent times without being remade. Sorry to say but the Metal Gear brand's heyday has been over for many years and I would argue it lost its buzz even before Metal Gear Solid 5 was released because examples like Metal Gear Peace Walker which was directed by Hideo Kojima himself is not considered that successful of a game nor is it recommended by fans. Metal Gear is very much a thing of an older era and it's not popular with young gens.

And including Metal Gear in Fortnite and Smash Ultimate didn't help Delta sell better.

>>732241591
Mgs 4 still looks better than 5 even on a pc. Your blind.

>>732241865
All the CQC animations they added in just adds so much to the game. It finally feels like a proper system instead of punch punch kick and a grab, you can feel why Naked Snake is a force to be reckoned with. No more just teasing you with what CQC could be in the title screen

>>732242086
Stealth is not a mainstream genre, simple as

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>>732242086
NEVER FORGET
NEVER FORGIVE

>>732242150
MGS4's stylised sharp anime look definitely future proofs it better. It still looks great. Shame the game has so many shortcomings still

>>732242086
>Metal Gear is very much a thing of an older era and it's not popular with young gens.
And that's probably a good thing. Do you really think that this current generation would add anything of use to the MGS fanbase? I don't think so at all.
But I would say that it doesn't really even need to be popular anymore. I mean, the series is over by this point. But I do believe that 1-5 are all must plays, and 3 is still the greatest game of all time. But like you said, I don't think zoomers even have an interest anymore, so it is kind of unfortunate in that sense.

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PW > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = V > GZ > PO

Solid Snake is annoying moralfag

3>1>V=2>PW>4
I'm a big boss fan, what can I say?

>>732240959
Filtered

>>732242497
Solid Snake is a man that rose above his circumstances instead of letting his mommy issues ruin the lives of everyone around him

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>>732242194
It could have added a bit more, but the additions it did do were quite good, especially the "every Snake is unique" system with the scars. it's really impressive.

>>732242780
While the scar and cloth damage system is pretty cool I have to wonder why did they put a permanent fresh scratch on his cheek

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Bros, I'm fighting the boss. Please tell me this isn't the end of the game, I don't want it to end yet!

>>732242957
Anon, you got past the end already

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>>732243034

What are health codecs in MGS3?

>>732242926
I think the design philosophy behind the game was "keep most of the original stucture, with slight changes without breaking it" so it reflect on Snake : he mostly look the same, but he has a small little difference
They have said in articles they do not intend to do that for the future though, it was just for MGS3

>>732243213
Yeah, they talked a lot about their intent with the whole picking Delta for the name of the game.
I respect that and I think it was a pretty good effort, even going so far as to keep all the original magazines, gravure posters and all. UE5 photorrealism can understandably be hit or miss but I do think there's far more good than bad.
It's a shame that legacy mode was a bit undercooked, though. No option for the Subsistance camera and the fact that the entirety of the original game assets are found within the files point to the intention having been to use the original graphics for legacy, a la Halo Anniversary, but that didn't end up happening
I do wish that they would have let you get EVA's C96, though. Love that gun.

>>732242086
They fucked up not remaking MGS1 first. I love MGS3 but it’s goofy as fuck and not a good introduction to the series. Also Solid Snake is superior to Big Boss and I’m tired of pretending he isn’t.

>>732241048
4 was the first one I played and I decided to go play 3 afterwards.

>>732243591
MGS3 is far more modern and easier to remake than MGS1. It was the safest option so that's why they went with it, a way for the studio to test the waters and garner goodwill without much risk.
Remaking MGS1 would have led to another Twin Snakes situation where the game breaks because of your ability to use first person aiming

>>732243712
They more or less confirmed MGS1 will be the next remake and won't follow what MGS3 remake did

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I've just finished MGS3, I got straight chills through the ending. This might be the greatest game I've ever played.

Do later games say what happened to EVA?

>>732245125
not spoiling but yes, EVA appears in 3 other games, though she's only a big character in one of these

>>732245202
Thanks anon, I'll play through the whole series now

MGS2>1>3>PW>4>5

>>732246071
Wrong

MGS3 is indeed the best game of all time

>>732240920
Is V worth playing?

>>732241865
It was pretty great. I'm surprised Konami decided to go the extra mile with the new CQC and including Snake vs Monkey or Snake vs Bomber Man if you were playing on xbox.
I have high hopes for their Peace Walker remake. that game could potentially be MGS V but complete.

>>732248686
PW remake won’t happen

>>732249075
Konami won't say no to easy money. The MGS1 is their test for a remake where they actually plan to change stuff around, if that does well they'll feel encouraged to do more

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>>732240920
Only played MGS1 and MGR:R, and I loved them to bits. Tried MGS2, but got filtered by the gameplay, but that was a couple months ago. But then again, I was looking at Peacewalker recently. Should I retry MGS2 or try out PW?

>>732241521
>do NOT skip MG2
Based

>>732249449
Peacewalker is a TPS with MonHun mecha bosses so I hope you aren't expecting a stealth game

>>732242386
>PWfags are bald faggots with water on the brain
Correct

>>732249487
do I need a guide to play it?

>>732241865
me too but it was my first game so

>>732241048
V doesn't even have CODEC in it, that alone makes it a bad MGS game

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Reminder that Paz did nothing wrong.

>>732249541
I'm open to anything, so something different won't bother me.

>>732240920
>Not one bad game
>Everything after Ghost Babel and 2 is absolutely pure shit with shitty lazy writing

>>732249890
3 exists

>>732249808
>oh hey snake by the way he shoved two bombs in my vagina. Just wanted to make sure I put that useful piece of information out there in case you decided to perform conscious surgery on me thinking it was only one.

>>732249607
You will probably need a guide to get the true ending.

You have to complete some specific side ops and look in some specific areas to get it.

>>732248595
Yeah

>>732249778
How?

>Meow

>>732249939
The shitty prequel retcon with a 007 rip off intro song? Fukushima clearly wrote MGS 1 and 2 and you can feel his absence in 3 and 4.

>>732250760
3 literally has the most identity compared to 1 and 2. It feels like a breath of fresh air. Just because it was inspired by 007 (like 1 and 2) means it has shit writing? Retarded take.

>>732250760
You can't praise 1&2 story and shit on 3, they're about as equally retarded. 2 has some cool themes and dialogues sure, but the actual story is no masterpiece.

>>732249607
No and ignore this retard >>732249984
who cant follow a conversation please
The codec contacts are very helpful

>>732250991
>>732251147
>3fags coping
Typical shit. MGS3 is dogwater for brainlets and especially falls apart during that Granin office scene, that scene sets up all the cancer to come after

>>732251147
The plot being retarded us what makes metal gear so good

>>732251549
Bait. There’s no way you can call a 3 enjoyer a brainlet while spewing about 2

>>732251613
Cope harder, 3 has no narrative value I don't care that it helped you unlearn your grade school nationalism or whatever, faglord brainlet
3 is a painful bore, vapid on purpose half the time as Kojima talks down to his fanbase, and spoonfeeds basic concepts in the form of deep monologues so retards will actually listen.
This is all without actually addressing the Granin scene too which just trivializes the entire series and makes you wonder why you swallow Kojima's turds at all.

>>732251837
Literally everything you just sperged out about here could be attributed to MGS1

>>732252007
You couldn't explain how without actually sperging. I accept your concession that MGS3 is a wreck that can't be defended. Thank you.
It has better gameplay than 1 and 2 if that makes you feel better.

>>732250991
>Fresh air
>007 ever being about giant mech weapons and ninjas and clones

>>732251837
Holy based.

>>732252504
You didn’t play the game

>>732240920
There are only 1-2 good games in the franchise

>>732252681
More like 6

>>732241470
Correct

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worst game in the series
>shit protag no one liked
>shit bosses
>mediocre at best stealth gameplay which just involves tranqing a guard and then waiting for the backup to leave
>terrible backtracking and escorting sections
>constant meaningless codec calls
>characters talking over codecs even though they're literally standing in front of each other
>la-li-lu-le-lo XD
help me understand why people glaze this game so much
it can't just be the "it predicted the AI" bullshit

>>732252718
Only sheep defend this game.

>>732240920
V has one big issue that essentially cheapens the whole franchise. They literally make Big Boss sound different from what his canon voice was. How the fuck are you going to do that? Who even is this character now? They didn't even replace BBs Jap voice actor. Stupid.

>>732252404
MGS3 is the only one in the franchise that makes a lick of sense and is well written. Dumbass.

>>732252718
Aesthetic, themes, story, setting

Raiden isn’t even a bad protagonist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74rryEGGxsM

>>732252834
No, hes not a bad protagonist, but when you lie about the game in the trailer and mislead fans, they have every right to hate on whatever the fuck you shoved in the game that they didnt expect

>>732252879
Well this isn’t 2001, and you know what you’re getting yourself into.

That’s part of the reason raiden has become accepted

>>732252826
did you forget shit like Volgin's lightning powers and The End having anti-aging pasrasites that made him a better sniper?

>>732252939
It’s MGS you fucking retard. Do you really think kojima is aiming for muh realism?

>>732252924
Yes, time has been nice to it but its still a shit stain smear on the franchise.

>>732252939
That is literally irrelevant. MGS does have wacky stuff but the overall narrative and stuff was coherent more so than any of the rest

>>732252987
2 is still a great game though. Even if the raiden shit was disingenuous at launch.

>>732252984
you consider either of those "well-written"? lmao

>>732252836
wow, didn't think getting that without cheating was actually possible

>>732242086
Biggest truth. I have stuck around since 2007 but the franchise itself couldn't catch on to the rest of the industry which could be a good thing and bad thing. I wonder that's why the movie deals have been shaky and cancelled because they fear that the popularity has died and wouldn't sell to the modern audience.

>>732253060
Both of those characters are very well written for different reasons. The end is well written because you can clearly see his ambition, goal, and what he eventually gains when he dies. I will admit that volgin is not as well written as the other characters, but he is still an amazing villain.

Big boss is a better character than solid snake

>>732253392
He’s literally me.

>>732252826
>mommy boss told me that my country doesnt represent absolute good and then I cried
No one cares you retarded cuck, your personal awakening to being gay has nothing to do with the quality of the writing

>>732252987
>literally just some retarded neckbeard boomer body
Just like all brainlet 3fags, you'll go extinct

>>732253178
>doesnt explain anything
>just barks about goals and shit
Monkey tier hence the ape escape minigames

>>732241786
you defeat her entire unit including a fucking ghost i think she knew she was going to die

>>732249449
I skipped 2 and just played 3. 1 and 3 are the best.

>>732254402
I did this when I was 13 because my gross friend who smells bad told me to do it and we're long not friends now

>>732241010
fucking based

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>>732252718
>>shit protag no one liked
Raiden is cool.

>shit bosses
Olga fight is great, Vamp is a fun encounter, Fortune is ok, Fatman is annoying but at least somehow funny and Solidus is a kino boss fight albeit pretty easy and gimmicky. Mass-produced Rays were okay too.

>mediocre at best stealth gameplay which just involves tranqing a guard and then waiting for the backup to leave
Basically MGS1 but better, it's fun to see how enemies react to hold up, post-alarm patrols are fun to evade and it is still possible to avoid any contact with patrolling enemies, now using more tricks and environment around you.

>terrible backtracking and escorting sections
Big Shell design makes backtracking pretty effortless and the whole Emma section doesn't take too much time or require some herculean effort to do. Swimming part may be annoying but it is pretty fast.

>constant meaningless codec calls
>not liking codec calls in an MGS game
Nigga, you're fag.

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How is MGS The Legacy Collection? Is it good way to get into the series for first time?
I bought the physical copy many years ago and it came with functional codes for MGS1 and VR missions (not that it matters since my PS3 is already hacked)
The reason why I'm asking is because apparently there are multiple versions of MGS 2 and 3, and I'm wondering if the Legacy Collection versions is missing some stuff

>>732257903
The legacy collection is likely the most final version of each game.
3 is likely to lack the Ape Escape stuff and might lack a funky dream sequence since it wasnt in the HD release

>>732252718
I love it. Amazing story and game. Replaying it last year I was amazed how much more I enjoyed the gameplay compared to 3 or 1. It feels really good and has aged amazingly well.

>>732252718
I agree, that's why I went and collected the re-release, MGS2 Substance.

>>732257974
I haven't played any Ape Escape game yet, so I'm fine with missing that for now
>funky dream sequence
Is that something important to the story?

>>732258193
Not at all and its very missable in the original game anyway

Where's Volume 2?

>>732242086
I know people here hate Kojima but he was the brainchild behind the series for better or worse. I can't really trust Konami to carry on the spirit of the series. Fox Hunt proved they have no idea what they're doing in regards to an online multiplayer. And Delta already had everything in place, they just needed to trace over it essentially.

>>732240920
if its so good why is it just some army guy sneaking around a jungle compound?