uh-huh

i refunded it already. Quite disapointed

tfc >>>>> tf2

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VIP Race is the best gamemode

>>732241917
>OC garbage on the front and sticking out like a sore thumb

I wish we had a tf2 classic before they ruined the game with hats and loot crates.

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>dood its classic tf2 like 2008 or whatever
i dont remember there being so many gay people back then

>>732242320
It's what modern tf2 players think tf2 was like. Quite poetic in a way.

kinda wish the nailgun wasnt so awful

>>732241917
Does this have sprays?

I miss sprays.

>>732242417
It's actually quite strong, just unfun to both fight and use.
>>732242524
Yes, it does.

>>732242524
yeah it does

>>732242524
Me too.

>>732242550
I dont know how it can be strong when you sacrifice your killing speed with the scattergun for a gun with below average mid range damage.

>>732242524
yeah you can see big breasted women in based servers now

>it's worse than base tf2
Is anyone actually surprised? How many times have we had tf2 "reinvented" only for it to be complete shit or die in 2 weeks.

>>732243607
This mod has been active for ages now

>>732241917
yeah, turns out the spergs bitching about TF2 were a tiny minority of bitter losers.

>playing TF2 without the Loose Canon
that's a no from me dawg.

>>732242116
I've been saying exactly this but since 2008. I don't even want the very first update with the medic guns, just all default weapons.

>>732244229
nobody would play it, it would be a dead game.

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who looked at medic and thought
>let's give him an aoe medigun

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>what if demo never had to reload and his explosives had no travel time

>>732241917
>my annoying oc in the middle :D
Fuck off faggot. There was a reason vip mode was deleted

>>732247274
>>732247397
Ideas guy weapons

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>>732242071
You fucking idiot. You legitimate fucking clod.
Go rewatch the first 10 seconds of "Meet the Sniper" and realize how retarded you are.

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This mod makes /v/ seethe with rage. Its hilarious.

>>732247713
Elaborate

>>732247274
I like it, having to click between different targets or stick with one patient using the vanilla mediguns is boring

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>>732242071
>>732247475
That guy was in Team Fortress Classic on the Hunted maps, known as the Civilian / VIP. The Hunted maps were essentially the red and blue team escorting the Civilian to some sort of checkpoint at the end of a map while the yellow team(snipers) tried to kill the civilian.

>>732248142
Medic's healrate was already absurd. Being able to heal multiple people at a time is broken. Also it encourages deathballing to maximize its heal output which leads to cancerous overwatch like gameplay.

>>732248157
I miss tfc

>>732247397
this is the only weapon I really liked, but it's an overpowered piece of shit

>>732248253
Medic has to hit the shot first and it heals120 Hp at most.
The gaps in healing from having firerate instead of continuous make it worse for dealing with things like sentries/Badwater final point

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>>732248320
I think Drippy's 2fort is still alive

>>732248157
This mode was ruined by the AR. It's too strong against a 50 HP melee only man. Basically every server had a gentleman's agreement not to use it, but there was always some newfag who didn't know or didn't care.

>>732246624
>zoomer nigger can't comprehend people playing something that doesn't have constant fake rewards for you wasting your time
holy shit

>>732248581
Crasher/Carrier and Mobster did the idea better by having the VIP be a strong fighter, with the drawback that he's a big and slow target.

>>732248442
>Medic has to hit the shot first
Really not that hard.
>The gaps in healing from having firerate instead of continuous make it worse for dealing with things like sentries/Badwater final point
Does not matter. The massive teamwide health difference will quickly snowball out of control and lead to a huge momentum and numbers advantage crushing any defense they have. Also the uber is one of the best counters to sentry spam letting you uber your entire team if you want with no flash penalty. Looking at badwater just imagine throwing an uber bubble right onto the point and your entire team drops down into it and slaughters red.

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>>732248581
Haha. I remember that. Nostalgia wave just hit me

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AIIIEEEEEEEEEE

>>732249265
I didn't even know it was out. It'll be +1 soon.

>>732241917
>here's TF2 but different
>"nooo you can't do that it's different!!"
The name is a little misleading I know, but you can clearly tell the game has nothing to do with beta or old tf2 from the screenshots.
I don't get why spergs are going crazy over this.

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>get VIP
>sorry guys I don't know what I'm doing
>die
>still VIP
>oh, it doesn't switch on death?
>walk past everyone fighting each other
>waddle onto the point
>win the game
hey okay

>>732251412
>The name is a little misleading
Actually they renamed it

>game crashed 3 times
okay this game sucks

i haven't played normal tf2 in a couple years and upon coming back i feel like they've added another 30 maps. its too many. queing for a few particular maps already took too long as it was.

I'm actually really having fun. Fewer weapons but less chaos. The RPG that has falloff and bigger damage is kind of fun to play opportunist medium-range soldier. It's gimp, but at least it's really fair and has its use.

>>732248157
This gamemode always sucked. I don't know why people keep trying to bring it back.

>>732241917
They used one of my models without asking me. Refused to talk to me.

>>732254449
Because it's fun, and way more shit can happen than slow payload pushing. I don't care if "payload is an evolution of hunted," payload is boring and always plays out the same.

>>732254471
go public about it

>>732254471
Which one?
>>732254614
Are you encouraging him to cancel them? lol

>>732254614
>>732254634
It's not the first time in fact it's total of three items they've used from me.

I tolerate it since I do not stand to make money since tfc is donations only

>>732254585
No it's not. Hunted player sucks? You auto lose. Hunted player doesn't want to play as them because it's boring? You lose. It doesn't work when one person in a server doesn't want to play the character that HAS to be played.

>>732254794
>Your team sucks? You lose
Yeah it's a team based game, moron. Losing because of your team has always been a possibility.
>It doesn't work when one person in a server doesn't want to play the character that HAS to be played.
Then suck it up and step up. Thankfully, this VIP can power up his teammates so it isn't just playing a weak guy who can only melee.

>>732241917
I hope they give Pyro an alt primary.

>>732256931
I'd like a burst-fire weapon like the Dragon's Fury. Heavy got one.

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So now that it's all on Steam and everything, are they gonna full-steam-ahead more guns? I've been playing this shit for years (back when Medic had a shotgun), and it feels like they add new content so slowly... however the content so far as been great so I'm more than willing to wait

>>732257398
There's a flexible custom weapon system, all of the live TF2 weapons can even be re-enabled to varying degrees of functionality, though the devs probably will pump out content faster now that they're done with porting and legal shit.

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>>732257551
I hope they don't bother with vanilla TF2 weapons. Right now the weapon choices are stark and meaningful. Night and day different from their counterparts. TF2 guns are mostly like "this gun gives you crits but only during a full moon on a wednesday but otherwise works completely the same as the base model." Fuck that.

>>732257674
I'm pretty sure they said they aren't going to add any live tf2 items anymore.
I miss the jarate and Force of Nature, though. Fun items, but I understand. I'm just glad heavy has got the Sandvich for when there is no medic

>>732257795
I could compromise on Jarate, above all else. Flare gun and sandvich are in after all, and those are at least core experience alternate secondaries like Jarate was.

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>restore cut content
>it sucks

Why does this keep happening?

>>732257795
Jarate was a fucking mistake that shouldn't even be in the base game.

>>732258152
Why?

>>732258243
It's a buff banner in a jar that you can spam from resup on SNIPER what the fuck do you mean WHY?

>>732258148
The tranquilizer gun is fun to use, it's a diet sandman/cleaver combo for spy because the knife always deals crits to tranquilized enemies

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>>732258294
A sniper spamming jarate from spawn is not a major benefit to his team. Someone actually sniping targets successfully is a way bigger asset. If this is actually doing him any good, they're probably just mercilessly being spawncamped and they're trapped inside the sliding doors.

>>732258412
>A sniper spamming jarate from spawn is not a major benefit to his team
think about how many payload maps have last right outside red's spawn door. guaranteed minicrits on anyone going near cart is huge. I cannot count how many times I've cheesed a win on upward last that my team did NOT deserve just by spamming piss on the cart.

>>732258152
It should, it just needs to be nerfed because it's not 2009 anymore and jars items need to be worked like the Gas Passer (needs to be built through damage)

>>732241917
what is it?

anyway, i miss the old days of using my spray to crash tf2 clients. some of the people that i gave it to told me it works on cs2 as well, but i think that's begging for a ban.

>>732258490
That sounds like a mapping problem. Don't put the restock cabinet so close to the door and the spam dies down immensely.

>>732258541
Gas passer timing is not a solution. It's still massive value that sniper did nothing to earn. Soldier doesn't get his buff banner for free why should sniper? Sniper is already very strong with no unlocks he does not need a throwable this good.

The many other problems with jarate
>Radius is ENORMOUS at 200hu. For comparison rocket splash is 149hu.
>Lasts for an extremely long time. You can throw this as a final fuck you to your killer and it's very likely someone will finish them off before it wears off.
>Class that is supposed to be weak at close range turns into one of the deadliest with jarate/bushwhacka
>Fucks over spies who are supposed to be one of sniper's counters
>Can easily swing a teamfight just by coating 1 or 2 players
>You can see coated enemies from behind cover with colorblind mode

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>>732258773
>That sounds like a mapping problem
sniper mains favorite excuse
>it's the mappers fault sniper is overpowered on all these maps even though they play perfectly fine for the other 8 mercs
>you can't nerf sniper he NEEDS free buff banners and guaranteed melee crits because he's so weak!!

>>732258890
Sniper gives up his only non-primary to equip it. If you could dowse enemies and then chip at them with SMG, that would be way more dangerous. But no, he actually has to hit his targets, unlike soldiers with buff banner. If you want to say the radius should be smaller, OK. Fine by me. It probably won't save him against the direct combat classes either way though.

>>732259134
If sniper is broken, it's not the jarate that does it.

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>>732259147
>Sniper gives up his only non-primary to equip it
Enemy team wiped because I threw jarate on their combo > one of the weakest weapons in the game

>If you could dowse enemies and then chip at them with SMG, that would be way more dangerous
If someone ambushes you at close range why would you use SMG when you have a guaranteed melee crit and in what world are your teammates not going to shoot the players covered in bright yellow piss? You don't have to be the one to kill them.

You are absolutely delusional if you think free mini crits is remotely balanced.

>>732259192
Jarate being broken doesn't mean sniper himself isn't. He's always been a menace and oppressive in every game format that isn't 6s and even there he is the most picked offclass by far. Sniper has been coddled for far too long.

>>732258890
>It's still massive value that sniper did nothing to earn
You do remember that the GP also charges with damage done, right anon?

>>732260365
You can do nothing and it will still charge. it also persists between deaths. Soldier can afk in spawn for an hour and get zilch and if he dies with banner he loses it.

>>732247538
i am ideas weapons guy
and THIS >>732247397
is my weapon

the double barrel pyro shotgun is great
>use it to roll out of spawn during the "frozen and can't move" phase
>reloads automatically so every so often you can just use it as a boost
>combine with enemy bullet/projectile knockback to escape

There never was a mechanical golden age of tf2, just a golden age of community servers, tf2 gameplay now is better than baseline by leagues

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>>732242071
A few years ago a post like this would get you banned

>>732260810
The spread is horrible. Not hitting every pellet unless you are hugging your target. A double barrel shotgun that sucks at killing is inexecusable.

>>732259550
I know you're a retarded faggot who's going to make a retarded hypothetical that presents a way more serious issue than the +35 damage actually poses
But that 1.35x damage is not going to be the deciding factor in what "wipes the entire enemy team" unless it's literally all spies scouts engineers and snipers.
Which would get blown over by LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE.

>>732261137
>But that 1.35x damage is not going to be the deciding factor in what "wipes the entire enemy team" unless it's literally all spies scouts engineers and snipers.
Do you not understand what numbers advantage is? Have you never played any FPS before? TF2 is a momentum game, killing the combo or just dropping a med can very easily snowball into a roll.

I don't think I've ever seen someone with such a strong opinion of Jarate
Regardless of it's balance, I think the concept of throwing piss at people to reduce their will to live (defense) is hilarious and should be kept for any reason

>>732261362
>Um don't you know in the imaginary game in my head the sniper through the jarate at exactly the right time for three soldiers to shoot me the heavy that's dominating entire team and win all the games ever forever stealing the wins from me?
Yes, I know you're mentally ill and do this.
We went over this.

>>732261561
>the jarate at exactly the right time
If you can't hit at least 2 players or more with a splash 25ft wide you're dogshit.

>>732261769
>My hypothetical I was imagining got slightly less dumb what now!
You're still a retard

>>732247397
>>732260679
wait this is for heavy? sounds really bad

>>732258890
Jarate was a mistake. It turns a class already oppressive in the right hands into a one-man support/killstreak generator with a throwable that's harder to dodge than half the game's explosives. Why does it last 10 years and paint enemies with “shoot here for bonus damage” signs? And the bushwhacka synergy? Straight up deleted if you blink the wrong way near a corner.

It’s not just a “cheeky tool” like people pretend- it’s a get-out-of-jail-free card, a teamfight tilting nade, and a “you don’t get to play spy anymore” button all rolled into one. If this were on literally any other class people would riot.

>>732262205
you can spam a choke for a very long time with it. does high burst damage and has good range. minicrits airborne targets.

>>732262358
so how does the average game go? does everyone have broken weapons or what?

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>half-life gets infinite unpolished megamods because a handful were successful and eastern europeans chase trends on their toasters
>half-life 2 gets infinite OC map packs with stolen assets if they bother to add weapons or infinite graphical touch-ups, pre-steampipe mods are dead and forgotten or lost media
>all source mods except for nmrih are pretty much dead
>good gmod servers (running a gamemode that's not pumped with plugins, with good maps and sane players) almost never exist, and if they do they shut down
>every other valve IP is invested with tranny megalomaniacs

>>732262510
I mean Gmod died more or less on purpose.

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>>732262510
It hurts pretty bad knowing that TF2 is one of the most fun online games out there, but the community being made up of autistic furry troons really puts a huge damper on it.

>>732262702
I'm fine with shitting on troons, both times they got a map in, turbine and demolition, it was shit, but you leave the furries out of it.
Those niggas have run one of the consistently least shit servers since fucking 2008 and made good maps an items.

>>732262453
I've mostly been playing VIP. Pretty similar to no unlocks TF2 but heavy and demo are both very strong. AA cannon and minelayer are infuriating to play against. I've seen more than 1 demo use lineups to fire mines over buildings to create traps from across the map and there's nothing you can do about it. AA is also very hard to punish because the splash on the explosion punishes corner peeking.

Everyone be sleeping on Heavy's shotgun

>>732263171
Because it's shit. Getting caught unrevved is a skill issue.

>>732263254
70-90 damage is not shit, that's 7/9 classes in 2 shots.
Hell the closest reason to it being shit in base TF2 is because they made the Panic Attack a direct upgrade for Incel Dane

>>732241917
>millenial brown troon uncslop FOTM sourcemod no 9999 DOA

It's time to kill yourself nigger.

>>732263467
Minigun is 550dps at the same range.

>>732263504
I'll be sure to remember that when I run into the Blibblegoorp the 10th class with 550hp.

>>732263254
>Getting caught unrevved is a skill issue.
TF2C minigun has the same rev speed as Natascha

>>732263646
Shorter TTK = You taking less damage

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>>732247274
>>732247397
>we want the audience for the original tf2 release
>let's add our random out of place weapons

>>732263765
I don't care about your hypothetical where I die specifically for using the shotgun.

>>732263796
>we want the audience for the original tf2 release
That's the problem you ran into anon, this isn't for those people, it's for people that think there's any value to pretending to have played tf2 back then like that will magically make you not have terrible retarded opinions.

>>732260475
>You can do nothing and it will still charge.
The charge is slow as fuck and doing nothing in spawn is the equivalent of being dead weight for your team which is not a good thing especially as a power class like Pyro. If you really want Jarate to be Sniper balanced then you could make it so that it only charges over time when the Sniper is scoped in, on top of the additional damage bonus for every hit

>>732262861
>turbine is shit
i never understood what's so bad about the map. the central area is really open, the vents are fucky, the stairs to spawns are not found on any other map, spawncamping with sprays is a hallmark (the entire map is just made for looking at sprays) and the large hallways towards the intelligences with the windows and the elevated parts are again very unique
if it was a trade map or an orange map nobody would complain

>>732264174
Being 3 boxes with fuckhuge sightlines and no flanks means the map immediately breaks if anyone on either team decides to be fags.
Which, when social implications for faggot behavior were a thing it was less of an issue. Now however where faggot behavior is normalized every problem with turbine is helplessly shoved to the forefront.
>Orange
Fixes this issue ironically despite being a Day Of Defeat map because the entire vertical space of the map which was just open because of the nature of Day Of Defeat provides more than adequate flanking.

>>732264174
Stupid sniper sightlines and it's trivial for the team with advantage to lock out mid. Vents is suicide and the other two entrances are too close together. Shutter doesn't help making it very easy to sticky trap.

What if we made new weapons, but we only know how to add weapons that 1 hit kill every class LOL>

>>732258148
Sometimes cut content gets cut for a reason.

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>>732258148
A lesson that's unfortunately lost on the TF2 community and can be observed dozens of times in the game industry is sometimes shit sucks, and there are people who will pretend to their death that it's actually good and they're cool for saying that.

>>732258294
Playing demoman normally is 1000x more productive than spamming piss from spawn, idiot

>>732267069
No anon you don't understand the entire enemy team is a mass of 12 scouts standing on the exact same spot and if he throws a jarate from spawn his soldier will kill the entire enemy team which which will all switch to heavy being too slow to get to the point.