>>732244163
What's dishonest about it? The game never told you "you can't break the glass, don't even try".

>ITT:Devs gave tards too much credit

>>732245668
>>732245825
it's a troll
>>732244163
kill yourself retard

>every part of the game will outright tell you "yeah weapons work, but you need a stronger one"
>except for this one
>hurr durr it's totally not dishonest game design
hrmmmm

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>>732244163
they couldn't have made it more obvious
not the devs job to handhold tards like OP

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>>732244163

The true dishonest game design in SM is that one fake wall that doesn't show up on the x ray

>>732246137
>Hmm, it must mean that there is an entrance that links to this room
That's what people normally think.

>>732244163
The game shows it being destroyed in the title screen
Also you can enter Maridia from the right of the Wrecked Ship so who cares

>>732246514
considering the whole game is an endless series of platforming, yes

>>732246137
Seeing illogical connections between things is a symptom of schizophrenia.

>>732246561
>The game shows it being destroyed in the title screen
kek i forgot about that

bump

Mother Brain's insta death laser on low e-tank runs is dishonest game design cause it exists to force getting reserve tanks.

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>>732246485
I would agree, but I think it's a technical oversight rather than an intentional piece of design.

>>732248873
I first found out about this because I got up to use the bathroom and forgot to hit pause.

>>732248808
Why the fuck would you not get reserve tanks nigger?

>>732244163
>Dis honest game design.
Dis post agrees.

>>732248873
Fucking hell.
What even was the unlock condition I forgot. Did you need to wait in the room for a bit or did the clock change each time you went in and out the room and it to be a specific one?

>>732246583
I'm saying OP is a bit vindicated slightly in that most people who play it the first time would probably assume that at some point, they'll enter a vertical chasm room and jump down platforms, passing the tube room.

This is a bit different than realizing the only way in is through blowing up the tube.

>>732244163
That's very honest, and I tried to blow-it-up like I did with firecrackers to random things.
Worked too> Felt great, and I loved exploring that game's world. Fantastic.

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>>732249304
IIRC the left statue opens once every minute of game time, so you might have to wait up to a minute or it could open in a couple seconds depending on when you enter the room
the right statue opens if you use a stopwatch subweapon and is optional

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This one is devilish, it's the kind of shit that makes sense in retrospective but the game never tells you it's even physically possible to do.
Hell, i don't think any other DS game does it for that matter.

>>732249680
Riiiight right. I remember going insane because the left one was randomly open as I was passing through and went mad trying to open it. Had to ask a friend for the stopwatch.

>>732249614
name?

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It doesn't matter if pic related filtered you or not, there is a specific reason why it's bad design. If you can't point out what that is then you're retarded.

>>732249680
Motherfucker the right one was a puzzle too?
>>732244163
I realized I had to break the tube when I realized the minimap indicated it extended up and down.

>>732250239
La-Mulana 2

>>732244163
do zoomers just not experiment in games?

>>732250491
>Motherfucker the right one was a puzzle too?
yeah but it's an optional dead end with some items, i think it's where you get the alucart set which increases your luck but tanks other stats. the fact that the left one is required for progression is what makes it egregious in my opinion.

>>732249806
What’s happening here?

>>732251372
You have to "stamp" the location of something onto your map by closing the DS.

>>732251572
Oh that’s neat, thanks

>>732246561
>The game shows it being destroyed in the title screen
It actually doesn't. It's in a trailer

>>732249806
There's a sleeping enemy in TWEWY you can only kill by putting your DS in sleep mode

>>732252730
Acronyms that long and obscure are gay

>>732251107
Do zoomers have Metroidvanias?

That genre kind of peaked in the 90s didn't it?

All of their games are straightforward and they removed all of the "confusion" that used to require strategy guide books. There's good and bad about that.

>>732252860
Don't you need to get up early for school tomorrow

>>732252891
/v/s complaints have literally ZERO consistency
people like you will say this shit and then immediatelly 180 and start moaning about obtuse shit in games like Elden Ring

>>732252917
I’m a non-autistic 30 year old. Relax, I’ll just google it.

>>732251572
>>732249806
This actually filtered me hard and made me irrationally angry.

>>732249304
The left one is path critical and opens on even numbered minutes. The big clock in the middle corresponds to your playtime.
The right one is completely optional, and opens with the stopwatch subweapon.

>>732252730
For anyone else who isn’t a weeb fag, it’s The World Ends With You.

>>732253104
Why would anyone who doesn't recognize the acronym know what the game is from the title?

>>732252860
>>732253104
you don't belong here, newfags

>>732253156
I knew what the game was, I just wasn’t thinking of it from an acronym. I pirated it and played it on my Acekard when I was younger.

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>>732244163
Old games rely on players actually playing the fucking game.
I don't think I ever "figured it out" the normal way. I was probably roaming around the map while looking at the minimap, saw there were a few unexplored spots around and thought to myself "wait, it'd be funny if I could break this with-" and then boom, it just worked.

People underestimate the amount of shit we found back then as kids by just fucking playing.
>pic related
>why is this part of town empty? weird
>do random shit
>oh shit something happened

>>732253189
Both of those are me, I’ve been on here for nearly 2 decades. I’m just not autistic. Why are you so upset? Was that your favorite game or something?

>>732253376
autistic enough to make two separate posts complaining about a fucking acronym. clearly self-awareness isn't an autist like yourself's strong suit. and i don't even like TWEWY that much

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>>732252996
I don't know who's complaining about that, but they're lame.

In my day they just told you to get on a fucking horse and chase giants with minimal UI. And we loved it.

>>732253504
I complained once and then replied with the name for anyone else too lazy to google it like I was. Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, stop sperging out.

>>732246424
>hiveblood
Not only are you playing that part on weenie mode, you're doing it inefficiently. 2x heal plus grubsong already makes you practically immortal and doesn't require you to wait around like a retard.

>>732253634
no one asked, get a clue

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>Top 5 dishonest games that stumped gaymers
>Can we talk about x?
>We need to talk about x
>How game broke me
>Can you beat the game doing mildly suboptimal strategy?
>Disturbing games that are illegal (just personally distasteful)
>Sus. Weird. GOONER.

>>732246561
I thought this for years as a huge Metroid fan but no it's actually the commercial for the game that showed it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrACWQvzHw

>>732250482
You can make the first one through jumping too if you time it just perfectly. Then you get to the second one and it's fucked

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>>732244163
The only reason you got this is because you saw the TV commercials where they spoiled it or read the guidebook/game booklet. Gamers who emulated it couldn't figure it out with wikis. It's simple.

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>>732244163
This pic started out as a troll post many years ago, but over time people on here started taking it seriously and then arguing over it and acting like people had an issue with this in real life. This board is so stupid now because it's people legitimately arguing about troll posts

>>732252730
What do you do on a 2ds?

>>732253839
>now that the dust has settled, was this game dishonest?
>was this dishonest mechanic /ourguy/?
>you cant refute this dishonesty
>*posts dishonest woman*
>play dishonest game
>post chart from dishonest mechanics.com alongside “oh no no no”
>honestyxisters, not like this

>>732252996
>zero consistency
/v/ isn't one person you fucking autist

>>732254036
Do you get this mad any time you see a new word or abbreviation you don't know? "TWEWY" isn't even an acronym, it's just an abbreviation.

>>732254528
proof?

>>732244163
60 posts in and no one has pointed out this is optional so it can be dishonest if it wants.

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>>732254315
>Dishonest when disingenuous enters the chat

>>732254623
I’m not mad about it, just thought it was gay, but you’re right about it being an abbreviation. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>732254778
>Maridia
>optional
Maybe there's a way to skip it with sequence breaking but that doesn't make it "optional" for normal people

>>732254778
One post ITT did point out the alt route into Meridia, but because that fact is inconvenient for shitposting purposes everyone ignored it.

>>732248873
No matter how many times I replay this game I still can’t remember what you need to do here for the right side

>>732249118
Cause I only know where two are so the others must be out of the way. Not worth it the trip, except for the fact you need to. Cause you won't beat the game if you don't.

>>732254942
>He doesn't know of the intended route to Maridia
Embarrassing.

>>732244163
map room to the top right shows you theres a save point underneath by the time you need to blow up the tube to progress

you idiots are the reason that everything is tutorialized and unfun now

>>732252663
>>732253849
What is this Mandela effect...I could've sworn it was in the demo reel.....

>>732256074
I've seen this misconception corrected before. It's just people spreading something that's wrong.

>>732254806
Not how that meme works, cutie.

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>>732257123
That's hilarious.

>>732257123
what is this game lmao

Crazy how people will praise 'interact with every wall to check for secrets' as some great hidden puzzle and not some wikibait designed to punish you for not buying the guidebook/magazine.
It is not intuitive or interactive to just test random shit that does nothing until you stumble on the answer completely by chance.

>>732257123
>The Disagree dialogue box doesn't actually spawn initially, but only after it's been covered
Actually caused me a bit of anger.

This game would be funner if it gave you 3 lives or something instead of minigames where if you fail you have to restart the entire run.

>>732257283
nta, its Agreeee on Steam.

>>732246137
>oh so you can move behind the tube, better fin the entry

>>732244163
Psycho Mantis controller switch. No one is finding that out without using the codec

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>Oh btw you're supposed to go into the cave first

Why isn't this signposted? I died a good 9-10 times before I went inside, I thought it was the first dungeon.

>Searching for posts with the image hash ‘LOp3dk/LBFw9nzcoQ7iNSw==’. 184 results found.

>>732249806
had to call up a friend who had internet access to find this shit out.

>>732259721
Did they change that at all in the remaster?

>>732257123
>toxic positivity aka beatings will continue until morale improves
disgusting

>>732261393
>let normies into the video game hobby
>the majority of players are now retarded
>game journalists can even clear a fucking tutorial
This is why gatekeeping is mandatory.

>>732249806
Hotel Dusk did

>>732250482
at least in origins they added crouching and looking up frames so it at least feels like something is happening

>>732252996
or, and try to follow me here, it's the whiny useless zoomeranons whining about Elden Ring because that anon is 100% correct about how useless they are, because they are the worst generation ever, of all time?

>>732244163
The map does indicate the room is explorable.
The game shows a broken tube and game already previously encouraged you to use power bombs to search for secrets. The game did actually give enough information to solve this puzzle without search for a guide. That being said agree that was grade A bullshit that was way too common in this era of games.

>>732249806
I immediately picked up on it at release, since putting the console to sleep was a complete novelty at the time. I can see how it would become less intuitive as you get familiar with the hardware

>>732263412
The game doesn't give you power bombs frequently enough that you feel you can use them in every room. The tube should be cracked and a room nearby that has a power bomb secret should have some glass that shatters when you use the power bomb.

>>732244163
It's literally the only time in the game you have to use power bombs on anything other than walls or doors to progress, so yeah, it's bullshit.
Only reason people knew about this back in the day was through the commercial or Nintendo Power, anyone else is lying through their teeth.

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>>732263073
>or, and try to follow me here

>>732250482
>be low IQ
>filtered by kid videogame
>"n-no this is bad design and your low IQ, actually...."
holy cope kek

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>>732244163
Based retard

>>732272658
Look at them go

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>>732244163
there was a reference to this in Zexion, if you blow it up there's an optional powerup hidden behind it.
great game btw highly recommend

>>732250787
thx my nigga

>>732249614
>>732274361
Why are metroid ripoffs always so unoriginal?

>environments are not interactable in any way, they have no physics
>until they suddenly do, in this one very specific instance and nowhere else
inexcusable. games operate by rules. why can't I just dig my way through the caverns with missiles and bombs? why do they only work on special video game blocks?

it is okay to admit that super metroid is not flawless.

>>732257123
devil shit

>>732244163
>game emphasizes environmental destruction
>game literally shows you a busted tube one screen beforehand
>noooo how was I aspose to knoooow

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>>732274960
aksually la-mulana is a maze of galious ripoff

>game expects you to know cryptic hidden shit
>why?
it's because they wanted to sell you strategy guides. that's it.
once the internet became an easy source of information for free, they more or less stopped gating progress behind stupid random hidden shit.

>>732249614
Oh yeah La Mulana, the game were you get stuck in one room and the solution to the puzzle is in a comoletely different area and you have no fucking idea what you did to get rid of the obstacle..

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>>732259721
The games are getting easier, so they gotta make you buy the manual somehow.

>>732259721
Were there any hints in the game that would let a player figure this out without a guide?

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>>732246424
Dishonest?
Every fucking jump in that entire level can be beaten by positioning properly and pressing the dash button. The entire thing is spaced out perfectly to where dashes just clear everything for you like Celeste without actual mechanics. If you've gotten that far into the game and still don't know how exactly far the Knights dash goes, you don't deserve to beat it. Based on that image, if you presses A and then Dashed, you'd hit the saw blade. Move a tiny bit to the left and then press A and Dash (2 buttons ooo I know, very dishonest) and you win.

You want dishonest game design? Fucking Crosscode with every attack in the game gravitating towards you despite dashing out of the way because if un-guardable boulders didn't just make 90 degree angle turns in the air to hit you the game would be too fucking easy, but the game can't be too easy!
Also like 80% of the puzzles in that game but that's just an IQ gap. There's just way too many possible puzzle "solutions" when you can free aim literally anywhere with physics puzzles. One lucky ball bounce can just solve a 'hit the switch' puzzle immediately, without even trying to ricochet it.

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>>732251107
No, they don't

>>732251572
Holy ludo kino

>>732251572
I figured it out instantly because I was a precocious boy and I DO want a cookie for it, actually.