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Gradius.

DaS2 was garbage the first day it was released and it will be garbage until the end of time.

>>732247719
>Cookie cutter bosses, including a Medusa and Jaba the Hut
>The fucking poison statue hallway
>Burn the windmill bro lol
It's trash

>>732248375
SotFS 100% fixed the game

Why do Dark Souls 2 fans get so -pathetically defensive when someone critiques their game?

>>732251328
Because most "critiques" are just downstream regurgitations from youtube retards like mattewmatosis and mauler, and are based on misconceptions most of the time

>>732252001
Please tell me the misconceptions in either video, I'd love to hear them

>>732251328
If youre defending DS2 you are most likely a faggy little boring contrarian who has made playing devils advocate your personality.

>>732251328
>>732252046
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>>732248375
You are literally cattle

>>732251328
They played it when they were 13 and you're not allowed to challenge their nostalgia

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>>732247719
Probably not.
Most of the hate towards it is literally from people that never played it and know nothing about it except for the fact that it's popular to hate on it and over the years this just keeps snowballing more and more.
The worst is how a lot of the "critiques" can literally be applied on Elden Ring yet it's lauded as the best game ever made and (You) just need to git gut, got filtered, etc, yet with DS2 it's "bad game design".

>>732251328
A lot of people who played DS2 when they were 10 are now adults. Their defenses of the game are based on extreme intimacy with it.

>>732253373
>The worst is how a lot of the "critiques" can literally be applied on Elden Ring
...such as?

Played it on release after running through DS1 like 6 times, thought it was worse then and a let down, still think that. A sequel to a game should try and take what worked from the first and make it better not spin off in random schizo directions and land on, "well powerstances are pretty cool"

>>732255018
none because elden ring is dogshit

>>732247719
It was the start of them cutting 90% of their content randomly and piecing it together haphazardly, consequently it is also the worst at it, since it just uses corridors and elevators to link random shit together.
At least in DeS and DaS1 the chunks that were cut weren't all over the place.

DaS2 also firmly cemented the autistic fightclub buildslop balance that emerged from DaS1 streamer nonsense.

Every notice how DS2 fans are entire dependant on youtube videos for arguments?
>You only hate DS2 because an eceleb said so!
>DS2 is actually good because of this video
It's like their unable to formulate an opinion of their own.

>>732253950
Not only that, most of them are Discord users who are on HRT.

>>732247719
I'll never replay DS2 again because of it's runbacks. How can you with a straight face defend a game that has a horsefuck valley runback, both smelter demons runbacks, shitty gank fight runback, shitty dragon boss runback, Sir Alonne runback in it. I can keep going but you get the idea.
>le "This is Dark Souls" achievement and the fire keepers cutscene
The game was designed to piss you off, not to provide challenge.

>>732255018
>the game forces you to level a stat!!
People will bitch and moan about adaptability every day of the week but will turn a blind eye when every ER guide will tell you that you NEED 40 vigor ASAP before building your character.

Also just every single critique that boils down to "this is unfair dogshit".
You have hour-long videos about people crying over DS2 level design and the whatnot while for ER it literally will come to "git gud", "filtered", and most prominently: "skill issue".

When people post that DS2 clip of your character getting "magnetized" to the Pursuer grab attack or dying to a shockwave you will not see people replying with "skill issue", only posts shitting on the game even further.

>>732255018
that bit about every boss fight being some dodgefest against a guy with a weapon certainly applies to ER
nothing else really comes to mind though, most of the problems with ds2 were weird little things or just sprung from being not terribly interesting/detailed

>>732247719
I wasn't into souls back then but did Matthewmatosis's video actually change the consensus opinion on DS2 or was it always headed there/already disliked

>>732259398
Early elden ring launch I posted a clip of my character dying to a "shockwave" attack from the golden horse guy's shield ground stomp attack and it was the most unfair bullshit ever yet people just laughed and me and told me to git gud.
I'll try to dig it up if the thread lives that long.

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DS2 Trannies still cant refute this pic btw

>>732248375
spbp

>>732259078
>horsefuck valley runback, both smelter demons runbacks, shitty gank fight runback, shitty dragon boss runback, Sir Alonne runback in it
i can't help but notice those are all optional fights

>>732259524
It's a video game.

>>732259524
kek I remember laughing when I came out the elevator. B team put the game together with duct tape

>>732259521
It was already set up to be hated for two reasons, the first was that it was following Dark Souls, which already had a cult-like fanbase, the second was the bait and switch Namco did with the graphics. Once the game actually came out it confirmed everyone's worst fears. Matthew didn't change the discourse, he just articulated it the best.

>>732259597
>the first was that it was following Dark Souls, which already had a cult-like fanbase
judging from the positive reception of dark souls 3 which i thought was mid as fuck, i'm going to say that the fanbase was probably a point in its favor, not against it

>>732247719
I enjoyed it because it was just more dark souls and I liked quite a few of the areas but the pacing was all kinds of fucked up for a game with shallow combat mechanics

DLC was pure kino tho

>>732259524
You pretend to suddenly care about "realism" in the game where you bonk giant monsters with a club and shoot blue magically bullets out of your asshole as long as it allows you to shit on the game that you don't like.

>>732259524
does it really matter? no one complained when ds1's map was impossible and two areas both take up the same space.

>>732259619
If 3 had followed 1 it would have been more disliked, but it actually followed 2. So it was judged against that. Plus it was full of nostalgia pandering for Dark Souls.

>>732259668
3 is the most consistent game in the series excluding bloodborne or sekiro

>>732259654
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>Supercar_in_Fantasy_Setting.png

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It's s my least favorite souls but I still liked it overall. It has this weird dreamlike vibe which is cool

>>732259660
assuming you're talking about the hollow / demon ruins / tomb thing, that's probably because most people didn't realize that it's impossible. it might give you pause, and you might wonder "Is this really possible?", and granted it's not. but also it's not immediately obviously apparent that it's impossible without consulting the model viewer, unlike the earthen peak -> volcano thing which makes a lot of people immediately stop what they're doing in confusion
>>732259668
hmm yeah maybe
>>732259705
yep, it's consistently okay from beginning to end

>>732259728
There is no super car you stupid nigger.

>>732259805
>makes a lot of people immediately stop what they're doing in confusion
Confirmation bias and projection at its finest.
Everyone new hears about this first online so yes nowadays everyone will know beforehand and bitch about it.

>>732248490
>>Burn the windmill bro lol
That was the point where I stopped playing the games. Wandered around for multiple hours and didn't know what to do.
Such stupid level and game design

>>732259961
lol okay retard
i played it in 2014 the week it came out and immediately lol'd
>>732259971
you don't have to burn the windmill to kill the snake bitch she isn't that hard

>>732259971
Filtered.

>>732259998
Perhaps you do not know what "projection" means because you literally prove me right in your own post.

>>732253373
>Most of the hate towards it is literally from people that never played it and know nothing about it
Is that so nowadays? I played it on release day and I didn't like it much despite the fact that DS1 is one of my favourite games of all time, and that seemed to be the case for a lot of people back then.
That being said, I have warmed up to it since. I don't really love any of the post-DS1 soulslikes, even if I do play them and think they are well made games.

11 years later and ds2 fags are still mindbroken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI&t=40s

>>732247719
These threads are pointless because the ones hating on ds2 do not actually care about discussion and will continue to mindlessly hate on it until they die.

>>732247719
These threads are pointless because the ones loving ds2 do not actually care about discussion and will continue to mindlessly love it until they die of an HRT overdose.

>>732260147
Remember we are on /v/ anon, people hate a game before actually touching the game first.
That's said, every single person I have met irl and online, every single one where I talked about DS2 with them, they all hated it or viewed it negatively because "everyone online says so". And every single one of those people admits that they never actually touched the game themselves.
Hell you can even add myself to that list. To be fair, if almost every single person online, especially most vocal ecelebs claim something then it's easy for people to consciously or subconsciously believe it.

>>732259078
>>732259545
Personally I always found it strange how people praised Estus as a healing mechanic because
>it focuses on resource management and not running out of healing while working your way over to the boss
And then throw a fit when DS2 didnt just let you sprint to the fog wall/lever and press the infinite iframe interact button to skip all the combat leading up to the boss.

Then again I am an autismlord and all the souls games are super cheesable, finding a way to safely clear every enemy before a boss tickels my minmaxing autism the right way so I personally had no isse being forced to fight enemies guarding a door to get through said door.
I do understand why it annoyed other people though, its just funny they never seem to admit that they are explicity working to avoid a feature they just finished praising

>>732260271
>trannies out of nowhere
But yeah the "ds2fags" are the ones that are mindbroken, not the baiting niggers that shitfling every day on this board. No no, those are all mentally sound.

>>732260509
The thumbnail image used by OP literally came from a German tranny lover.

I liked DS2 well enough but it's the only Souls game I have absolutely no desire to ever replay

>>732260556
Agreed. It's just too long, it felt like a slog by the end. Didn't even feel that way in elden ring

>>732260541
Seriously how the fuck do you even know this. Also the "point" is moot because trannies both like and dislike your favorite game so trying to say "this game is for trannies" or "only trannies hate it" just makes you look like a moron that only wants to call someone a tranny.

Ds2>Ds1>Ds3

And nothing anyone can say will convince me otherwise

>>732260725
Ds1 has aged so fucking badly I'd honestly almost place ds3 above it it's not even funny.
Tried to replay it last year but it was such a fucking slog I never actually finished it.

>>732260442
Anon I think you just know retards.

>>732260797
To me its almost like SM64 or OOT

Dated but cozy

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It's a DMC2 level sequel plagued by bad, broken controls and terrible level design. No amount of cope will change this.

Ah, there it is, the same nonsensical webm I've seen a million times where I still do not know what point the poster is trying to make with.

>>732259078
there's nothing wrong with the Smelter and Alonne runbacks

>>732259078
>The game was designed to piss you off
That's literally every single one of them thougheverbeit.

>>732259705
it's consistently mid

a classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djH_ztEeGyY

>>732260946
calling it nonsensical makes you look a bit daft. It's clearly showing how your turn rate is limited while attacking and you can't make sudden 180 degree spins.
That said, I do agree that the point isn't immediately clear. I assume the implication is that this is a bad thing for some reason, but I don't see why that would be the case.

>>732248375
This.

>>732247719
Have the fans finally added the light system shown before in the first trailers so the torch is actually useful?

>>732260946
Because you're stupid and don't understand good game design in a action game.

>>732261192
Works in the original game aka non-sotfs version.

>>732261134
I have literally never needed to attack once and do an 180 in ds2 tho

Its pointless and adds nothing

>>732247719
I liked the amount of gimmicks and unique abilities spread across a bunch of equipment. It's a very clear aspect that's fun to build around, just like pure fashion. And it doesn't turn into autistic minmaxing of hitboxes and softcaps and parry windows if you don't want it to, since they are also understandable at a glance.
>sword that's a sorcery catalyst
>anti-backstab jester chestpiece
>mimic helmet
>spell that costs money
>automatic crossbow

>>732261134
>>732261226
A literal non-issue lmao.
An actual issue would be how some weapons don't make you attack infront of you even when locked on because your character model was facing away.

>>732260797
>ds3 above it it's not even funny.
Unplayable without a mod that doesnt add poise to enemies, stunlocking everything with R1s is too easy and braindead. It (along with quickstep -> R1 being faster than recovery on 99% enemy attacks) did make daggers actually viable weapons for once.

>>732261302
specifically spinning back after the roll has plenty of use if you start your roll close to the enemy and end behind it. But I don't think whether the game lets you attack like this is a particularly good example of bad controls. There's nothing wrong with a game having limitations on your actions like this.

>>732260946
You know there's a reply function.
>inb4 I don't want to give (You)s
It's not an upvote, you faggot Redditard.

I like DS2 purely for Majula, it's easily the most beautiful and atmospheric hub in any From game

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>>732261527
Fuck you niggerfaggot I'll post however the fuck I want.

>>732261587
>DaS2nigger is a gachatard
Oh no no no

>>732261134
What really confuses me is why he didnt upload the R1->R2 animations being fucked in 2 (in 1 and 3 they flow much more smoothly from one to the other), its as much of a non issue but looks way more obviously shit in 2, which is the goal.
Or hell just wiffing rapier R1s on crystal lizards because 2s animations are far more restrictive in terms of aiming high / low.

Why go for the
>you cant do instant 360 noscopes in muh slow paces animation commitement git gud hardcore videogame
As if it doesnt make you look like the slowest of tards who got filtered by not being able to spam R1s and being forced to wait half a second if you want to turn

>>732261582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcRn-V0I3po
i randomly played gitaroo man for the first time recently and this area reminded me of majula so much

idk anywhere else to post this. idk

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>>732261651
Oh wow, you attacked my reaction image, totally did not see this coming.
And I guess every single person posting a essex image also plays azure lane right? Get real.
Have another thing to attach to your "ds2fag" label.

>>732261817
no u

>>732261734
Maulers video wasnt even particulary good in terms of criticism of DS2, it was mosty about shitting on Hbomber and Hbombers video was dogshit.
Mauler only really plays BB anyway so using him to defend 1 or 3 is kinda dumb

>>732260891
fuck i wanna play dark souls 1 now

>>732261894
>most critiques are legitimate, provable honest critiques
Nah you just got filtered.
Didn't read the rest.

>>732261759
>And I guess every single person posting a essex image also plays azure lane right? Get real.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Keep your subhuman politics inside your generals.

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The game simply feels like shit. It feels significantly worse to move around and to swing your weapon than it does in DS1. I don't know how to explain it further, I have not watched a youtube video on it. It's clunky

>>732261759
>actually people posting ebic gacha maymays don't even play gacha
is this a deflection? i am genuinely unsure, who the fuck would post the visual equivalent of a buzzword while not being a fanboy?

>>732261392
>shit controls are a non-issue
You should kill yourself.

You will never see DeS, DS1, DS3, BB, Sekiro or ER fans say
>Um you only hate my game because of what an eceleb said!

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>>732262028
Sure sure, you immediately know kot is gachashit but absolutely are clueless about [other prominently used gacha reaction image].
Blow it out your ass.

>>732262127
Holy skill issue.

>>732261894
>yes, most people say the same things as them because what they said was FUCKING TRUE
Name on criticism Mauler made in his video that wasnt
>calling out hbomber for being a lying disingenuous faggot
Because thats fair in terms of criticism against hbomber but irrelevant, proving that hbomb lies about DS2 doesnt prove that DS2 is bad, just that hbomb is a lying faggot
>a cherry picked example that could also be found in 1/3/BB/ER
if the goal is to say "DS2 is bad because of X" and X is also in other games in the series then the other games are equally as bad

>>732262086
It's gachashit anon.
You can like the character designs, funny images, and blow loads to the porn, but why the fuck would you actually expose yourself to gachashit lmao.

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I've never completed the DS2 DLC, it's the only part of the souls series I haven't done yet because I don't like the game very much

What is an OP build I can blast through a playthrough with? Preferably a long sweeping weapon so I don't have to battle the controls

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DS2 SotFS is pretty bad in a number of ways.
I like DS2 SotFS.

>>732262152
Not that guy, but just because I know that thing in your name is from some stupid gacha game doesn't mean I know what it's called or from which sludge puddle it stems.

>>732262152
You are genuinely stupid. I called you a gachatard because you posted a gacha character. I don't give a shit whether you actually play the game or which game they're from.

>>732262293
I remember the red iron twinblade being really good.

>>732262345
>that thing in your name
that thing in your image

>>732247719
>left wing communist pieces of shit practice rewritting history by pretending dark souls 2 at launch was a good game and that everyone who criticized it was wrong because 2 years later fromsoft sold you a patch that fixes most of the the launch problems and criticisms.

more like has there ever been a more obvious grift?

>>732251328
gamergate revealed that there was a state funded left vs right culturewar in games journalism. darksouls2 was the left's counter attack. By paying randos to debate with ghosts (new players/secondaries versus day 1 veterans), they sought to undermine the authority and validity of at the time popular straight/right-wingish/white games critics. All of a sudden there was a plethora of iinsincire counter-criticisms of a game that was, by that point, years out of the community's mind. People nobody had ever heard before were suddenly making hour long videos 'countering' points made at dark soul 2's launch by using 'proof' from scholars of the first sin, which was a relaunch of the game years later designed specifically to address those original criticisms. Instead of presenting scholars as such, these gas lighting fucks instead tried to pretend that 'gamers' were just whiney and bad at videogames.

example:
in the original dark souls 2, weapon durability is tied to frame rate. Japanese developers primarily develop for consoles where frame rate is locked in, so tying item states, movement, ect to frame rate isnt an issue. But on pc, it is an issue because frame rate can fluxuate wildly depending on user specs. The result was that in some cases, a player's starting weapon could break before finding any kind of repair kit or replacement. A legit concern.

This was later fixed in scholars, but instead of addressing that, fake reviewers would point out how thats just a lie, its fake news, it's a skill issue, ect.

>>732262293
rush to unlock hexes and spam that

>>732262356
>I called you a gachatard even though you're not a gachatard
Ok.

>>732262464
I can't say I'm surprised you apply these mental gymnastics to every aspect of your life.

>>732262538
no u

>>732262293
Funnily enough the best weapon to just smash enemies with is the boss soul weapon from the Ivory king final fight (which is usually considered to be the last in terms of content order). IKUGS fucks shit up like no tomorrow but you usually need repair powder if you are planning on fighting mobs in the stage.
Grand Lance you can get after 1 boss is a solid easy to use damage stick and Rapier -> Espada is the easiest to use for damage output weapon in the game.

DS2 doesnt really like sweeping attacks and will punish you with annoying wall ricochets and low poise damahe if you go for any of the big swords/hammers where the R1 is a sweeping attack

>>732248375
Spbp
No matter what zoomer contractions and their video essay wank think.

>>732262420
>in the original dark souls 2, weapon durability is tied to frame rate
It still is, locking SoTF to 30 will see you getting more durability than playing at 60.
Same is true for 1 and 3 as well but since the total durabilty for weapons in those games is like 10x higher you wont really notice it

>>732262597
Zoomers are slopping up elden ring and nightreign gramps.

>>732262707
Zoomers have already pushed 30. They were kids and teens when DaS2 released and played it.

>>732262954
Except most of them didn't play it at launch and most of them ended up playing the newer softs/ps4 version and endes up hating it.

>>732262293
craftsman hammer
>can get it super early
>better moveset than other hammers
>smashes poise blike no other smaller weapons can while also doing top tier damage to most enemies in the game
>low requirements and low weight so you can wear heavy armour and spend all your levels on vig and other shit
can genuinely complete the whole game with it. many ds2 players put it in their top 5 weapons in the game

>>732263030
83% on Steam
7.6 user score on metacritic

For comparison PPTD has 7.8 on metacritic and remaster has 8.8. Sure its lower than most of the series but saying its hated by everyone who played it is overstating things.

>>732247719
Why do 2 zoomies pretend the game is hard when it's the easiest soulslike?

>>732263292
Thrust > Strike > Slash
Hammers are good vs armored dudes but the second you go up against some lardlord like the ogres the damage falls off super hard, thrust is slightly lower overall damage (assuming no 1.5 / 1.75 counterhit modifier) but is much better for general use as there are no enemies that are as resistant to thrust as there are those that are resistant to Strike or Slash

>>732263619
>it's the easiest soulslike
You fags say this about literally every souls game I genuinely don't which one would be the easiest.

>>732262130
People only hate elden ring because a faggy discord told them to come here and post awful takes that are wrong

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>>732263918
All souls games are easy, its mostly a metaknowledge thing.
>do you understand that upgradea and gear matter more than stats
>do you understand how poise and animations work so you know when its safe to attack
>do you know what order you are supposed to do the content in to have relatively high damage
>do you understand the iframe based combat and not being able to cancel attack animations whenever
All of the games have their own unique ways of cheesing content, its usually a question of the person saying "x game is easy" being aware of some cheese/OP strat in one game but not another.

>>732264005
Nah sorry man.
Played Elden Shit from start to finished, paid full price for that crap and absolutely hated it.
Early Limegrave was amazing which tricked me into buying the game. That said the game does have some great areas like the dragon sky area, but the further I progressed the more the game just fell apart and became more obvious how a lot of areas just feel outsourced to pajeets and how more and more bosses were being repeated.
The most memorable thing about the game was the title screen song playing when you fight the second-last boss.

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>>732259971
It must be hard being this fucking retarded

>>732264005
>no one can have an opinion, only discord raiders exist to hate on the thing I like
What a sad fucking existence.

>>732264424
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>732247719
>yummy e-celebs
>I spend all my life advertising and making them ad revenue
Why?

>>73226391
In terms of DIFFICULTY:
>Bosses
ER > BB > DS3 > DS2 DLC > DS1 DLC > DS1 > DeS > DS2
>Levels
BB > ER > DS3 > DS2 DLC > DeS > DS1 DLC = DS1 > DS2
I have to separate base game DS1 and DS2 for two different reasons: one, AotA's boss design is so different from base game DS1's, and is the modern FromSoft boss design; two, DS2's DLCs are MOSTLY more refined than the base game, the development of which was notoriously difficult.

That said, base game DS2 is the easiest Souls game in both regards. In terms of levels, aside from the absurd difficulty spike in Shrine of Amana and very specific sections Drangleic Castle, Undead Crypt, and one of the giant memories (particularly if those sections are approached incorrectly), the game is laughably easy. Enemies are more likely to kill you because of bad hitboxes, and the majority of them simply aren't threatening unless you let them cluster together into a death ball of 3+ enemies. The resource management aspect of levels is basically absent from the game because of lifegems, which are abundant and cheap. Even if you do not use lifegems, levels are easy as soon as you have 4 or more estus flasks. The DLC is much more difficult, sometimes to its detriment.

Same shit with the DLC: base game easy, DLC hard. Many of the base game bosses are either ascended enemies (without an additional challenge imposed by the boss arena, like Taurus or Capra Demon in DS1) or are really just trivially easy unless you don't level ADP AND don't learn their movesets at all. You're more likely to get clipped for not having ADP and rolling the wrong way against attacks than you are to take damage from making mistakes, and healing is probably the most dangerous position in DS2, because it's so slow and it isn't an instant heal.

>>732265809
>>732263918
Accidentally deleted a post number, meant to reply

>>732259971
Burning the windmill wasn't nearly as unintuitive as having to put on a ring to fight the Four Kings, or having to step on a narrow beam that barely looks walkable to enter Anor Londo, or the light source for Tomb of the Giants being easy to miss

>dastranny
>thisedittor
>redman webm faggot
only one is missing for this thread to be completely shitted up

How can I avoid getting filtered by pvp against rapier users?

>>732266208
2 handing a shield filters 90% of all invaderfaggots.

>>732247719
only shit will people stfu about difficulty already and GIT GUD? I'm sick of the whinging. Don't like it, go play Skyrim on Novice difficulty you fucking BABIES

>>732266289
How come?

>>732266667
Because you get to attack and block at the same time and most people genuinely do not know how to deal with it.
You won't to a lot of damage but you also virtually will not take any, so it's a question of slowly chipping them down until they either die or just ragequit altogether.

>>732266667
>>732266780
Also you cannot parry 2-handes shield attacks.

>>732262293
any katana, a lightning one ig? chaos blade rapes
>>732266667
dang, so close...
>>732266780
virgin dark washing pole r2 build vs chad dark havel greatshield jump attack build

>>732266780
>>732266827
I'll give it a shot, thanks. No matter how many times I fight them, it always becomes a massive chore to deal with rapier players. Even worse when doing brotherhood of blood arenas to up the covenant.

>>732247719
Every time I think "maybe DS2 wasn't so bad" and try replaying it, I'm immediately reminded why I don't like it
>You character controls like he's drunk, movement feels like ass and every animation plays at 0.5x speed
>Enemies and bosses all move like they're half asleep and have extremely overly simplistic patterns to accommodate base-ADP builds
>Enemies bodyblock you from a variety of fog walls and chests, but it's ok because you can despawn them, only this makes it impossible to farm equipment without the Covenant of Champions
>Extremely un-immersive setting that breaks your ability to treat it like a real RPG, this is an arcade game where you rush bosses for no reason and nothing matters
>Terrible pvp mechanics
>Eye wateringly ugly graphics

>>732268795
Is there any benefit in leveling your ADP past 20? 20 feels like more than enough to roll through attacks.

>>732261430
Increasing the difficulty by cucking your controls is, always was, and always will be a terrible design decision
>Dude play with a broken controller, prepare to die!
No

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>>732259971
I assumed the poison was the gimmick of the fight, and just killed Mytha without burning the mill. The healing isn't that fast and she's very weak to fire, and I beat the poison with poison resist and cracking lifegems (had a lot left over because I'm a hoarder otherwise).

>dark souls 2 has the best build variety
Okay let me make a heavy armo- wait heavy armor is fucking USELESS for physical defence past the early game and unless you have godly amounts of equip load you are also going to have a huge stamina regen penalty.
>what about spellcasters
They gave DLC enemies roughly double damage resist against ranged attacks which is just spiteful game design.

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>>732248783
Soul Memory

>>732269027
That fixes your iframes but there's nothing that overcomes the general slowdown of everything because that's baked into the core design philosophy of the game

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>>732265994
the moment DLC for Dork Souls 1 dropped it was obvious the game was meant to be played with the help from other players (internet forums and imageboards)

The DS2 and Elden Ring design team have some VERY annoying farming autism
>Sorry bro, no red eye orb, can I interest you in an endless grind of cracked red eye orbs to invade with?
>Sorry, bro, enemies stop spawning after you kill them 12 times. Can I interest you in fighting them with double health and double damage whenever you want to get some gear?
>Sorry, bro, were you actually expecting gear to be found in the overworld? You're gonna be grinding for 95% of all items
>Sorry, bro, were you trying to run to the boss fog? That's not allowed, please waste time despawning every enemy in the way otherwise they'll backstab you out of it
>Sorry, bro, were you trying to do the darklurker quest? I hope for your sake you don't run out of effigies lmao
You stupid faggots, stop making me have to farm 20 boar asses every time I want to do something fun. Take your Korean MMO autism back to the subscription slop where it belongs.

>>732247719
>unfairly
lol
lmao

>>732269713
...why?

>>732269741
>>732269779
>>732269817
>>732269848
Why are ds2 redditors obsessed with cuck fetish and niggers?

>>732269864
because most people would never be able to access DLC without hints

>>732269027
faster item use and maybe extra lingering hitbox protection [like pyromancies, lightning aoe, or bosses notorious for it]
and maybe making backsteps more viable ig
>>732269389
>selling half-ton stone brick armor !!
>20% less damage, negligible variation for physical type, garbage elementals, is almost exactly like every other heavy armor, take it or leave it !!
damage calculationbros...

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>>732247719
Duke Nukem Forever. I'm not saying it's a good game but the game was impossible to discuss because a single video game "journalist" felt the aliens impregnating the babes was icky and hecking misogynistic so you were a piece of shit if you played it.

>>732270068
Ds1 porn: titties
Ds2 porn: cuckold
Ds3 porn: incest

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>>732270514
Ds3 chads being the most based and righteous as usual

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>>732270514
wtf i love DS3 now?!?

>>732247719
Star Ocean 3
Best game in the series. Immediately written off by people because they read about the plot twist and hated it, even though it's absolute fucking cinema especially if you go in unspoiled.

>>732270510
Duke is too based today

>>732270680
>lived long enough to see people defend SO3

>>732247719
Unironically, no. Dark souls 2 is an extremely interesting case study on internet culture.

Dark souls 2 is literally the subject of the first viral “video essay”. It’s the progenitor of all the 8 hour “critique” slop we have nowadays.

Zoomers probably can’t fathom a world in which this style of content doesn’t exist. The reason the meme of dark souls 2 being le bad is precisely because this new form of content was novel at the time, and penetrated the public zeitgeist. That much is apparent, but because of opinions of dark souls 2, but because of the proliferation of this style of video content on youtube.

You can also see this by looking at how dark souls 2 was actually perceived on launch, and in the sales of dark souls 3. Series famously lose out on sales after truly bad releases like DMC 2 or RE6. On the contrary, because 2 was well received sales of 3 not just failed to suffer, it was the best selling in the trilogy. That never happens after a bad release. This isn’t just video games, it’s true of all media. Look at the Star Wars sequels for instance. Sales decrease sequentially as all of them are bad.

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>>732270514
>Ds3 porn: incest
Holy Based

>>732247719
Dark souls 3, people actually call a sequal fanservice

>>732269027
How many iframes do you want? Also are you leveling attunement?
AGL on its own does nothing, its Agility and breakpoints there that actually matter and attunement also increases that so its a question of how much you want.

You can beat the game at base ADP but its the same vein as being able to beat DS1 with a broken straight sword, comes down to personal preference / tolerance for jank, but 100 is considered "good enough" by most people.

>>732269389
>They gave DLC enemies roughly double damage resist against ranged attacks
Base game enemies were far too weak vs magic but buffing random DLC mobs so much vs element damage that an infused weapon with the correct spell buff does equal damage to the same weapon with the same character stats thats unifused was pure BS

>>732247719
Dark Souls 2 is dogshit and trannies like hbomber think it's good. Donkey Kong 64 on the other hand was a game smeared by these same trannies.

>>732270510
Kingdom Come 1 with normies, even mentioning the game got you labeled as Nazi and KC2 here because of the gay shit.

You can make any build you want as long as it's a lighting infusion blunt or high counter damage weapon with robflynn and dark weapon buff.

>>732271449
KC2 was fairly smeared because Vavra was feeling extra retarded and kept being a smug passive aggressive faggot with the bait and switch.

>>732271449
>>732271749
Anyone with a brain could tell they were being played if they just looked at the DLC for KC1. The jew got their money and won

>>732259881
retard
lurk for 2 years before posting

>>732271683
>using elemental buffs
Fun for roleplay/meme builds but suboptimal, you get more DPS out of just pumping END, VIT and VIG to 99 because DLC enemies and retarded damage calculations on split damage.
You are correct for the base game but by the time you get enough stats for infusions and weapon buffs to really matter you will be hitting the DLCs anyway

>>732247719
the hitboxes alone make it the worst souls game by default. on top of that the game feels like From threw unfinished assets that they had lying around to pad the game. the boss designs were also very weak for a souls game. the few things it did better were massively overshadowed by its shortcomings
>le prepare to die over and over
lmao

>>732272889
>le prepare to die
What was the name of the DS1 port again?
Pretending like DS2 started this shit is cope, its always been like this.

>>732258330
It's because it's a format where people can't argue against you. Their only option is to make their own YouTube video (as Mauler did, absolutely humiliating Hbomberguy) or to be downvoted in the comments. It's a very safe way of putting your opinion out there on the internet, especially because YouTube removed dislikes (yes, I'm aware you can return them with an add-on that 99% of people don't use).

>>732260180
This was DS2's Hiroshima.

I don't need to tell you what its Nagasaki was.

>>732273101
DS2 is where they marketed the difficulty and even had in game cutscenes referencing it. it was also the last game where they tried this dumb shit

>>732262335
based

>>732262293
Whatever you do, do NOT make a build that relies on magic damage. Magic absolutely obliterates the base game content; consequently, FromSoft decided that the appropriate response to this wasn't to simply rebalance enemies' and bosses' magic resistances slightly, but to make every DLC enemy and boss absurdly resistant to magic. DaS2 is not a difficult game, so you're really just better off going primarily physical damage with some light investment in a magic stat for the utility that spells offer in combat and while exploring.

>>732258330
projection isn't a good habit to have

>>732248783
Scholar is significantly worse in every regard. It made the game even shittier.

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>>732269817
>>732269779
>>732269741

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>another DS2 vs. DS3 thread

>>732273798
You are correct, but they'll tell you you're wrong.

>>732273501
Anon they litterally named the DS1 port "Prepare to Die Edition" you are coping.

>>732252046
>10 hours later, still no answer
ds2sissies...
Funny because I've seen those videos are some parts are pretty dumb or arguably false, but DS2 is still a trash game.

>>732247719
Every ds2 defense thread is a desperate attempt from its dying pvp scene to garner new members since its bleeding out as people troon out or leave for better games. dont fall for their lies.

>>732247719
Mass effect andromeda

>>732274315
Why would I watch a video I dont agree with just to post shit arguments the video made here so I can dunk on them? Seems like some schizo shit.

If you want to argue with people about DS2 being bad then just post why you think its bad instead of begging people to watch and comment on slop youtube eceleb content.

>>732273587
>DaS2 is not a difficult game, so you're really just better off going primarily physical damage with some light investment in a magic stat for the utility that spells offer in combat and while exploring.
Which is funny because your scaling from STR and DEX sucks absolute ass, so if you're not pumping INT and FAI you're wasting tons of stat points

>>732274794
And yet you make posts acting as if you have, then backpedal when called out.

>>732274973
are you retarded?

It's hilarious that DS2 haters cry about the "This is Dark Souls" achievement and the old ladies cutscene. It is lame pandering, yes, but DS3 is way worse about it with the over reliance on boring rollslop boss battles. Luckily for Fromsoft, boring rollslop is the only reason most normalfags even like Dark Souls, besides the le epic lore of course.

>>732274461
>dying
Its been hovering at the 1k-2k players for the last 4 years. How is it dying any more than it has been dead for ages anyway, its a decade old game at this point.

>>732274815
More stamina from END or faster stamina regen from VIT is better in terms of damage because DLCs.
Then again not like 40 levels even matters that much with how the level up cost scaling works in 2

>>732274973
The only thing I have said about youtubers in this thread is >>732262209
So if I'm every guy who defends DS2 and is backing down then so too are you.

>>732273587
Wrong. DLC enemies have increased resistance against spell damage, but not elemental weapon damage.

>>732252338
>>732253950
so that would make their claim that people only like ds3 because it was their first game projection? Interesting.

>>732265994
>four kings
The ring tells you it can traverse the abyss
>having to step on a beam
What? Your problem is that you had to talk on terrain? I don't even know what beam you're talking about because nothing is that non-obvious
>light source
Isn't technically needed, there's three different light sources, and you'll inevitably find one if you stumble about in there.

This is compared to equipping a certain specific item and then interacting with something that otherwise doesn't indicate its interactable, being functionally mandatory for progression.

>>732259961
My favourite part of DS2 apologia is when they pretend the game was not one of the biggest and most controversial launches of its time, or that all of these criticisms weren't immediately pointed out and bitched about relentlessly back then.

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reinstalled after seeing this thread and uninstalled after beating lost giant. the game is inspires no awe and is an absolute chore to play

>>732276229
this but with ds3, bloodborne and elden ring, kek!

>>732275801
>Your problem is that you had to talk on terrain
You slip off of far flatter terrain in FPSTown, he was talking about the arch thing you have to walk on to get to room you first encounter painting guardians on

>Isn't technically needed
Techically you can beat the game with 0 gear at SL1, not a great argument.

>>732276064
>biggest and most controversial launches of its time,
Fucking Thief 4 (the one with no jump button) came out the same year, your delusional if you think DS2 was anywhere close to being as hated as that.

>>732273798
This but unironically.
Anyways my souls rankings are ds2>demons>ds3>ds2 sotfs>blood borne>>>>>ds1 didnt play elden ring because of the trailer with the rap music & we wuz kangz

>>732276327
Shazam lost

>>732276519
almost a decent tier list if you put in complete reverse

>>732276419
Thi4f was mocked far more but nobody went in assuming it would be good.
DS2 backlash was massive because it was such a letdown, and because it was still built on the decent enough bones of DS1 which made it mostly playable, enough that people didn't give up on the game.

DS2 has at least one questionable thing about it, the mechanic where enemies go away after you've killed them some number of times.
I didn't find the game particularly bad in any other regard.

>>732276419
>he was talking about the arch thing you have to walk on to get to room you first encounter painting guardians on
But he said to get to Anor Londo, and that's inside Anor Londo?
There's also enemies on the beams, of course you can stand on them.
>Techically you can beat the game with 0 gear at SL1, not a great argument.
That is not equivalent to a dark area you can reasonably stumble through, or stumble into a pit where you find a light anyway.

>>732276229
i, too, might uninstall ds2 soon...
to make room for the surge

>>732276862
PtD has 7.8 user score on metacritic, DS2 (original) has 7.7
You are conflating your own opinions and /v/ attitude for the general audience, it just wasnt as unpopular as you think it was see >>732270959 if you want a longer explenation.

Its fine to not like the game but dont assume you or /v/ or even youtubers are an accurate representation of the average players view on things.

>>732276779
I'm sorry but dark souls 1 is dog shit. It is a boring as game with the most boring ass build variety with shit ""lore"" that gets glazed because it was retards first from software game

>>732276950
>But he said to get to Anor Londo, and that's inside Anor Londo?
He he fucked up, you could argue "Anor Londo proper" vs "on the walls" but thats pointless.
You are also thinking of the wrong beams, not the ones you see inside the painting room, but the one you have to walk on to get to the broken window to get inside the building in the first place.
There are guides and gameFAQ posts about this, clearly an issue some people had.
Its not a major flaw but it was undoubtedly bad design and From has been much clearer on what you can or cant walk on (less slippery but looks flat because invisible walls) in later releases so clearly they agree.

>you can reasonably stumble through
>reasonably stumble through the tomb
Cope, you need to know where you are going or you will fall to your death or get istagibbed by a giant skeleton

can I have one moment of silence for all the strawmen slaughtered in this thread?

>>732277160
User reviews were fairly rare back then, a huge amount of them would have been from the later series of zoomer apologists.
It wasn't just /v/, it wasn't just youtubers. It was a very common point of discussion across pretty much the entire gaming space. It was a big deal, pretending that lol nobody cared is just retarded.

>>732273798
This is the correct opinion.

>>732277160
Probably the best point is the sales figures. Yeah, no way the sequel to oh my science this is the shittiest game ever somehow does blockbusters. Makes no sense unless people actually likes the previous release

>>732273798
I keep seeing retards say this and I've literally never heard an actual reason for it

>>732259398
>People will bitch and moan about adaptability every day of the week
They're just casuals.
There's already enough Iframes to dodge almost every attack.
It's like Monster Hunter, retards need evasion+1 to properly dodge meanwhile any decent player can just do it without any armour skill.

>>732277660
Both have around 2.7k reviews, you are coping pretty hars right now.
If DS2 was as bad and as widely disliked as you think it was then 3 wouldt have sold as well as it did. Frogs and wells or the MGS2 speech about the nature of the internet, living in denial is not useful.

>>732277660
"DS2 good" was always a contrarian take, used to be attributed to From fanboys, but the real DS2 contrarians are a whole different breed of modern days

>>732277871
>If DS2 was as bad and as widely disliked as you think it was then 3 wouldt have sold as well as it did.
retarded argument

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>>732277892
>DS2 good" was always a contrarian take
it's always been a meme until picrel happened
now you have actual attention-starved contrarians that know they can get infinite (you)'s by saying the sky isn't blue

>>732277959
It’s not an argument. It’s fact.

>>732277959
Name one example of a game that was widely disliked where the sequel sold well (or a movie or a tv show or whatever really). The other anon pointed out nuStar Wars which is a great example of this being true.
Its just how people act
>buy game
>like it
>buy next game
Or
>buy game
>dont like it
>dont buy next game

DS3 > ER is another good example of this being true.

>>732277959
House of the dragon is infinitely smaller than game of thrones, why? The final season was shit

>>732277892
I used to think it was contrarianism, but I've come to realize the DS2 revionists are a different breed. It's a mix of legitimate autism and being too young to play DS1 truly fresh and understand why it was such a landmark game.
It's the videogame equivalent of Star Wars prequel apologism, right down to pretending that the later generically bad entires are actually the worst thing possibly imaginable so you can't criticize their thing at all.

>>732247719
It's the best of all the dark souls games because i enjoyed it the most. Never leveled ADP. Turns out that DS1 shitters can't adapt and will throw a tantrum for.. how many years by now? because the game doesn't adapt to their one-dimensional playstyle. I'm 33.

>>732278270
>It's the videogame equivalent of Star Wars prequel apologism
An entirely apt comparison, we have RLM defending Piccard and Acolyte but refusing to admit that either is worse than the prequels.
You can choose your own white whale but it wont change reality.

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>Played since the original ds2 on xbox360
>was very interested in the game
>still am
>loved the og and scholar
>scholar is the best
>people who say otherwise are ether
>uninformed or retarded
>still play the game today
DS2 is the best dark souls.

>>732277892
I've been defending DS2 since I played SotFS on the 360.
And yes, it was always good.

>>732278270
I played DS1 first and I still like 2.

>>732278429
Is this written by a child trying to fit in or some bot with the "write like you do on 4chan" prompt? Genuinely some of the dumbest formatting/prose I've seen in a while.

>>732277871
I neither know nor care about what you think the user reviews on fucking metacritic say. If you were not around to experience what the dialogue was for DS2 your opinion on this is worthless.
>If DS2 was as bad and as widely disliked as you think it was then 3 wouldt have sold as well as it did.
Sequel sales effect is not so strongly linked these days, this isn't the 2000's anymore. People share and can look up information, and general brand awareness, a rapidly growing market, and a market driven far more towards fewer bigger releases are all far more impactful.

>>732278083
>>732278212
completely skipping the nuance of dark souls 1 fans patiently waiting for a game that isn't unwashed ass from a B-team, which is why DS3 was a "nostalgia bait" apology letter (criticized often for being a 'memberberries' title or whatever 'pandering' accusations are thrown at it)
>Name one example of a game that was widely disliked where the sequel sold well
the entire street fighter library is a rollercoaster of this
watch dogs 2
ffxiv/realm reborn
etc etc

>>732259524
It was based on China

>>732247719
Special thanks to Hbomberguy and MoistCr1tikal for giving me my opinions on this game. "It's not that bad, guys. It's better than you remember, and actually better than the rest of the series in most ways"

>>732278270
Contrarianism is pretending dark souls 2 is bad. I know because I was fucking there. I was here. The B team meme was real. It was here. The contrarian board. Note the B team was the focus. This was before Miyazaki had a cult of personality that didn’t really form until after Sekiro publicized him greatly due to him being present. There were no Michael Zaki memes. No le funneh smirk frog face. But there were B team memes.

Here. On this site. Not among the populace. You will never be a contrarian like me. Because you are actual cattle. I was arguing dark souls 2 was shit on launch with people like you who thought it was goty. I am now here arguing with the same cattle, who pretend it was always hated because a YouTuber told them.

The truth is. Dark souls 2 opinion only shifted because it aligned with the genesis of the video essay format.

You are so dumb you cannot even see the words in front of you. This isn’t about dark souls 2 being good or bad. It’s how it was perceived on launch. And it was liked. Simple as.

>>732278584
>dark souls 2 is bad
based and true
tldr

>>732278584
Based schizo retard completely detached from reality

>>732248783
Scholar made the game far worse

>>732278519
>I neither know nor care about what you think the user reviews on fucking metacritic say.
Then why bring up what "other people say"
What is this roundabout retardism
>ds2 is bad and everyone hated it
But it has very comparable user reviews to 1
>who cares about user reviews

I think this is the most direct attempt at goalpost shifting I have ever seen. Just say you dont like it, dont bring up metrics then get mad that they dont line up with what your claiming.

>>732278659
Not an argument. You think devil may cry 2 is better than 3

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>>732247719
It's 2026. Who gives a FUCK about Youtubers?

>>732262293
Rapier that you later swap to ice rapier with a mace on the side for enemies that resist thrust damage as counter damage is busted what with the counter windows being massive when compared to 1 and 3

It’s just very feminine thinking, no one they go with the herd (copy youtubers)

It’s not enough that something is bad it’s also no one liked it and no one could have ever liked it and no one could ever like it in the future, very histrionic and delusional

>>732278793
>throwing chad warden under the bus
Man what the fuck. Shit pic.

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>>732278728
>devil may cry
sir this is a dark souls thread

>>732278793
This is true and unironically why you see more people gas up dark souls 2

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Demon's Souls is great. Dark Souls is great. Bloodborne is good, but not as good as Demon's and DS1. Every other Souls game is mediocre at best, outright terrible at worst.

>>732278728
Shifting to an unrelated topic to declare your certainty about someone's opinion on it is not a way to dispel being called a schizo retard lmao

>>732278842
Sir, this is not an argument.

You think dmc 2 is better than 3

>>732247719
The game sucks, and it’s the easiest game to me because I always play strength and in that game you get the greatsword really early and it does like 1/6 boss health per swing

'ds2 was akshually good' threads would evaporate overnight if /v/ had a post ID that let you see how every single one of these threads is the same handful of retards astroturfing for 50+ posts every time

>>732278926
>unrelated topic
You think games that are bad don’t affect sales of previous installments. You think dmc 2 is better than 3.

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>>732278902
This is my opinion too, and that ER is arguably the worst of them all (considering the resources, how it's their latest game barring night reign, and so many lessons not learned etc). Rare. Good job, animeFRIEND. I just wish for more games like DeS and DS1, particularly by a different studio but all devs these days are total soulless hacks, can't into lighting, shadows, atmosphere, grounded combat etc. All gotta be zoom zoom zero commitment nonsense.

>>732279016
You already got raped here
>>732278830

>>732278929
>>732279086
meds NOW

>>732247719
Most people on here never played the original dark souls 2. it wasn't very good, felt like leftovers

>>732277786
Monster Hunter isn't a shit game so you can actually evade enemies by not being where they're attacking.
DS2 famously has some of the worst hitboxes in any serious major action game and it's makes relying on i-frames for every attack (most of which have fairly ambigous timing on their windup) essentially required.

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>>732279141
embarrassing

>>732279150
>argument NOW
You have none, which would be fine but you don’t even provide statements of any value. It’s just repeating the same tired old memes. You are soulless.

>>732278523
>ffxiv/realm reborn
And every expansion after the good one sold better, shocker.
>watchdogs
WD1 sold 270k opening week, 2 sold 80k
So thanks for proving my point.

>>732279204
>schizophrenic retard samefags so often he assumed he was being accused of samefagging
You already got raped here
>>732278830

>>732279221
but what does that have to do with devil may cry 2 being the best game ever made?

>>732278836
>my father figure is one of the good guys!
Eat shit cuck.

>>732247719
>>732252001
I love how MatthewMatosis became this antichrist figure to the DS2 dick riders because he made one relatively short video covering his issues with the game. He doesn't even say it's a terrible game he just lists problems he had with it. I'm pretty sure most of the people who hate it are only people who saw clips of it out of context or put it on in the background and weren't really paying attention.

>>732279086
Completely different reply chain, my friend.
That post was here >>732277871, and received a reply preemptively saying this isn't the 2000's anymore because I knew you were a retard who just heard this about DMC one time and thinks it's some universal rule here >>732278519

>>732279269
kek, no, it's more that he made one video long ago (ps3 days) and that's it, you schizophrenic tendiecunt. He doesn't belong there.

>>732279274
Not true, but what is true is he’s the Christ figure to people who got filtered by dark souls 2

>>732247719
It has the best boss fights in the series such as Royal Rat Authority or Royal Rat Guardians. And agility is a great mechanic. In fact i love the whole balance being built around killing enemies 12 times. Truly makes it the hardest game in the series. And don't get started on the creativity of fighting one boss, then fighting the copy paste of the boss with 2 bosses

>>732279176
It has three bullshit hitboxes.
Giant's stomp, Ancient Dragon's stomp, Pursuer's lingering grab. All the other ones are exactly the same quality as the DS1 hitboxes.

>>732279274
Most of them watch it and look at him playing slowly to demonstrate stuff and go "SEE HE'S BAD" while completely ignoring anything he actually says.

>>732279317
Nope. I didn't watch his video until many years after I played because I heard he was just shit at the game, and I still hate DS2

>>732279284
>schizophrenic is losing the plot
You think devil may cry 2 is better than 3. Enough said.

I shit on your cattle existence

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>Most of the thread is ds3 and ds1 trannies seething about people liking ds2
Lol

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kino...

>>732279373
Seems unlikely since you brought him up unprompted. Kind of like how religious folk bring up their prophets

>>732279390
>WAAH WAAH NOT AN ARGUMENT NOT AN ARGUMENT
>fact that he's replying to completely the wrong posts exposed, argument recieved
>argument ignored
lmao

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>Most of the thread is ds2 trannies seething about people liking ds1 and ds3
Lol

The game is ass but the scenes with Vendrick are peak From lore.

>>732279343
>It has three bullshit hitboxes
Why do you always have to compare it to DS1 to defend it? A sequel is supposed to improve upon its predecessor, not be just as good or in this case, blatantly worse

Besides, there are whole compilations of people demonstrating how fucked the hitboxes are. Pursuer's grab will always be fucking hysterical

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>pre-order DS2 collector's edition on PS3
>dropped it halfway through harvest valley for a multitude of reasons
>video comes out a bit after release saying negative things about the game
>I happen to share some opinions with the video
>a full fucking decade later people find the video again
>get told I'm just copying a youtuber whenever I mention not liking DS2 now

>>732259668
that's the worst thing in 3. It's lame to just meet all of the same characters and visit all of the same areas again.

>>732279475
>I am silly! ALL CAPS
You are schizophrenic

>>732279465
>Unprompted
Nigger, I replied to two people who bitched about him. What brain eating bacteria did DS2 infect you with?

>>732279475
look at every dark souls thread in the archive for the last week(they are posted daily) , this 'schizo' retard >>732279264 has been infesting every single one for 5+ hour stretches at a time kek
i go to work, i get out of work, motherfucker is still here posting his womanbrained garbage
absolutely insane

least unhinged ds2 apologist award for sure

>>732279343
No, it doesn't. Those are the three most complained about ones, but they're almost constant throughout the game. Fuck, you didn't even mention the Old Iron King who practically spawned the shockwave meme alone because his hitboxes were so insanely retarded.

>>732279150
not yet

>>732259668
I didn't play 2 but i played 3 and 1 and let me tell you, my assessment of 3 has nothing to do with 2. 2fags anchor 3 against their game with the cope of, at least my shitty game is original. And after playing 2 what a gaslight

>>732279338
You forgot Prowling Magus & Congregation, the actual best DaS2 boss

>>732279343
There's also the club wielding giants in the memories whose hitboxes are larger than the model shows ontop of the extra bullshit of them being able to stunlock you to death

>>732279308
>my boyfriend only made one video that will stay in my heart forever LEAVE HIM ALONE HE'S NOT LIKE ALL THE OTHER BOYS

Pretending youtubers that nobody watches anymore were responsible for “ruining” the reputation of a dogshit game is literally what Sonic 06 apologists do.

>>732279596
>aiiiieeeee he’s in my walls
You are schizophrenic

>>732279638
Type of shit man says before he hits his second phase as Schizonon, Lord of Mania

>>732279680
Learn to read you nut-case. Your image sucks but the intention good.

>>732248783
Scholar's balance changes were atrocious and charging for graphical and performance fixes that should have been free for the base game is the kind of jewery you used to only see in fighting games

>>732279681
Sonic 06 being bad is a huge reason why sonic never gets the sales it used to and why it culturally fell off. Swing and miss schizo-kun

>>732279557
>>732279687
>get called schizo one time
>mentally break down and start calling everyone a schizo
lmao

>>732279409
sovl even

>>732279510
>ds2 has bad hitboxes, its a bad game compared to 1
>so does ds1
>stop comparing them
You retards make me feel bad for liking 1 through guilt by association, I imagine this is how people who like 2 feel about hbomb

>>732279734
>Scholar's balance changes were atrocious
how
why

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>>732279760
Sadly the whole 'replacing u with v' is retardation, always looks awful, anon.

I watch a lot of streams, and I have literally never seen anyone not have fun playing DS2.
In fact the general response seems to be "this isn't bad. What the fuck is everyone talking about?"

There's a gulf in opinion here between the "actually plays a video game" crowd, and the "watches 8 hour video essays, and posts on Resetera" crowd.

>>732279734
It's not just charging for performance improvements. You had to completely rebuy the game and it wasn't even the same one as the original. If you want to play the original version of Dark Souls 2, you'll have to play it in this shit state because the publishers are greedy fucks

>>732279748
>everyone is one person
You are schizophrenic

Notice how the troons never post about the things they like in DS2, it’s always seething about people shitting on DS2 and trying to gaslight people into hating the other games

>>732247719
>>732248375
>>732248783
>>732251328
>>732252001
>>732252046
Let's count the ways Dark Souls 2 fails. The areas and level design are trash. The animations are trash. The game's animations are so stiff that it feels mechanical. It was made on a completely different engine than Demon's Souls, DaS1, DaS3, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring, which were all made on the same engine. Drinking your flask takes a million years. The goddamned Smelter Demon. The graphics and textures.

The whole game of Dark Souls 2 is an abortion from the depths of Miyazaki's masochistic Hell

>>732279847
Are you legitimately pretending the two posts I linked are not you?

>>732279795
Holy shit, this doesn't make any sense to you, does it? Defend the game on its own merits! You can't keep going "Well DS1 was bad too" to make your game look better, this is why people call you schizo

>>732247719
Dragon's Dogma 2
Final Fantasy XIII
Sonic 06
Castlevania 64
Zelda 2

>>732269413
As someone who enjoys jolly cooperation, I have to concur: Soul memory was a fucking mistake.

>>732279176
>so you can actually evade enemies by not being where they're attacking.
That's not what I was saying you retard.
You can stick close to a monster and dodge through his attacks even without evasion.
Same as you can dodge in DS2. I only got hit by fucked up hitbox like thrice and I played several hundred hours.

>>732279892
Memezaki didn't direct DaS2

>>732279687
bro you are so full of shit
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/731905454
>ctrl+f schizo
nearly all of these are you
what is your agenda