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Todd Howard….. I kneel
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>>732247872
It was slower but I mostly liked it.
Norm's conclusion for the season was a bit ass though after starting with so much promise.
It looks like the only point for his stuff is so he's not in the Vaults when FEV or whatever happens for the vaults.
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The NCR returning DID make me soijak ngl, but what I want dearly is for season 3 to PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HAVE MORE THAN 8 EPISODES! Dear LORD they gotta let things relax and take its own pace instead of scrunching things up. Let there be like half of an episode dedicated entirely to a side quest with no effect on the story but acts as an exploration of the characters. Let plot A not get drowned out by plot D while plot B takes a back seat and plot C progresses by an inch.
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>>732255221
House isn't evil, but he's rude, which is worse.
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>>732247743
>Kino Fallout Episode
>Obsidian is currently on fire
I kneel todd
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>Caesars entire goal in Vegas is to establish a new Rome so that the Legion will hopefully have a solid foundation to outlast him and become THE civilization of the wasteland that all others either emulate or subject themselves to.
>tv show meanwhile
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>>732255419
to be fair, simply having a character say something isn't changing anything.
i think the only actual change is the addition of some kind of med pack/stim/whatever for ghouls to stave off becoming feral?
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>>732255506
it was pretty funny, and I was kinda hoping he'd stick around as Coop's pip boy but him getting dumped on the floor and going "please mister howard don't do that :(" was also kinda satisfying in a way. Though I wouldn't doubt him just being back on the main system or just waking up another popsicle to take him back
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>>732255613
The ghoul drug isn't a huge retcon because it doesn't seem like all ghouls need it, just ones that are actively GOING feral. It's like chemotherapy, it staves off the end.
Roger was over 200 years old but explicitly mentions that he's been on "the vials" for 28 years
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>>732255607
The one time I played Legion I remember a whole conversation with Caesar where he expresses a hopeful wish that the Legion will cease to exist in its current form when it conquers the NCR because they will assimilate each other; that the resulting fusion would be less corrupt and decadent than the NCR, but also less cruel and militant than the Legion
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>>732255828
oh yeah his whole thesis dribble. you know it kinda checks out he'd want the legion disbanded if he died before synthesis into a new group occurred, everyone under him is too retarded to understand him.
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This is a shill thread
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>>732255607
>the whole shtick of the Legion was that it was a faction with a very clear succession line, to the point that you could kill Caesar and the Legion kept going.
>I am the Legion, it ends with me.
Fuck off, Todd.
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>>732255828
You don't remember that, you delusional retard, because he never says anything close to that. Shut the fuck up and quit spreading this drivel.
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>>732256335
>So you'll destroy the NCR because you hate its inefficiencies?
>No, I'll destroy it because it's inevitable that it be destroyed. It's Hegelian Dialectics, not personal animosity. The NCR has all of the problems of the ancient Roman Republic - extreme bureaucracy, corruption, extensive senatorial infighting. Just as with the ancient Republic, it is natural that a military force should conquer and transform the NCR into a military dictatorship. Thesis and antithesis. The Colorado River is my Rubicon. The NCR council will be eradicated, but the new synthesis will change the Legion as well, from a basically nomadic army to a standing military force that protects its citizens, and the power of its dictator.
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>>732256517
You seem to think he literally means that he is going to fuse with it when it is the conflict itself which will change it. He’s not going to take over the government but destroy and replace it with his people. And he’s not going to go in immediately since he needs to settle in Vegas first.
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I only come to /v/ to look at shit Geralt threads where they talk about Witcher 3 even though janky Witcher 1 was the most fun and the closest one to the book.*
I also loved Kingdom Come: Deliverance 1 and the second one was bloated and better provided for, but slightly worse as a game.
RDR2 failed as a fun movie game, failed as a game, failed for fun and did not succeed as a movie either, it was shit regardless.
Expedition33, I still have it installed on my SSD and I do not like it, it's just ever so pretentious and strange... it's better than games with ugly nignogs screaming, but it's still pretentious and a Final Fantasy clone with a decent game mechanic.
>Oh she has onions around her neck, it's ever so quirky!
My game of the year for 2025 was Japanese Drift Master, even though it sucked. it is just everything else sucked even more.
* The original book where it's a fun caper of a powerful cunt and his idiot bard friend and their capers in a peasant-driven society.
Nobody will read this shit anyway, it's just me screaming into the void, but it's okay, theraputic to even write it.
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>>732256640
The decapitation strike is obvious, but he has no desire to wipe out the common people of the NCR - in fact he'd prefer if they all surrendered and joined his ranks with as little bloodshed as possible.
The problem is this means that the *majority* of the Legion's population would then immediately be recent converts from the NCR. Hundreds of thousands of educated people set in their ways who would inevitably change things even if they were trying to comply in fear of death. It's a bigger rat to digest than twelve random tribals you beat around a campfire.
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>>732256748
>The decapitation strike is obvious, but he has no desire to wipe out the common people of the NCR
So like I said he is going to destroy their government.
>a bigger rat to digest than twelve random tribals you beat around a campfire
The Legion has actual civilized settlements in their territory. It’s not all tribals it’s just that tribals make up most of the military.
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>>732247743
>I kneel
Like you've never not been on your knees cleaning his logcutter
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>"There, we'll build a Palace worthy of our Empire.
>"Caesar's Palace"
Bravo, Todd.
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>>732247743
>Cooper's wife is in Colorado probably at some vault tec facility
>Cooper is heading to Colorado
>Enclave base shown to be in snowy region
Vault 0 is going to play a major role next season. However I don't think we'll see the midwestern brotherhood.
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>>732257138
This shit is just going to get dumber and dumber and the pigs will just gobble it down because they can’t help but soipog and clap like seals whenever a member berry comes onto the screen. Piggies live their member berries it helps the slop go down.
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>>732257151
>Can't even animate a bullet going straight
>Bullet looks more fake than one from a 16 year old game
>Bright yellow, pristine coat
>3d printed plastic armor that's not even fitted right
>No recoil or movement affecting the gun or shooter whatsoever
>Carboard backlot sets
How does Everything in this show look so bad?
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>>732254392
That's the case for 90% of the show's plot threads. They just stop and achieve nothing. Nothing is developed, the characters act exactly as before, they just go to another location. There's a lot of wasted potential.
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>>732255768
Nta but this is probably what he's talking about
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>>732258164
Thanks for reminding me of the borderlands movie which spurred this question.
What the fuck is with TV and Movies and casting people who are far too old for their roles?
Everyone in the borderlands film was 40 or older and in the fallout show the two brotherhood dudes are supposed to be 19 and 20 but are played by middle aged men.
Is young talent seriously that hard to find?
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>>732255685
>and thinks Fallout 3 had better writing, so...
Fallout 3 is a fun little amusement park of a game but if he thinks it has good writing then he's a fucking dumbass.
>>732258314
>He admitted that he didn’t even finish 3
So he a confirmed dumbass then
neat
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Ruined the Legion because it's written by epic chungus redditors. Garbage show.
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>>732257548
>3d printed plastic armor that's not even fitted right
This is my biggest gripe. That armor looks fine for a cosplayer, but for a multigorillian dollar production it's fucking horrible. Shitty plastic helmet, plastic visors, plastic shoulderpads, light brown and perfectly preserved duster instead of dark and worn, what a shitshow, man.
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>>732258539
Well the show is clearly not canon to the game. It literally can't be with the chasm sized plot holes proving an unconnectable gap between the two, no matter the ending. It might be "canon" for Future Fallouts but who gives a shit about Bethesda's lore. They clearly don't.
So at least there's that.
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Even watching the show at the level it wants to be taken seriously I felt this finale was disappointing and fairly schlocky. It seems like they are setting up something really fucking stupid and cartoony with the Enclave (which is fairly in line with them desu, just hope it isn't too contradictory to anything Richardson/Autumn planned to do in 2 and 3)
They really should have resolved a few more storylines in this finale, especially with how many they are setting up for the next season
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>>732258857
>Todd said
I repeat, who gives a shit about Bethesda's "canon"?
Just because you believe his lies don't make them true
>Bethesda made sure
And they always put out the highest of quality products with no issues whatsoever. No floating mammoths, broken quests or crashing issues ever. They MAKE SURE of that!
>nothing in the show contradicts the established lore
You never played the game. Understood.
>get fucked
u mad?
cope
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>>732256971
It just works.
>>732259036
Ah, right. The opinions of literally who, just what the doctor ordered.
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>>732259195
You have bad taste and your godking is a liar
cope
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>>732256253
Why does everyone from /ptg/ on /pol/ say shill? Can you go back newfag? Even if it’s a “shill” thread you saying the word is as worst than any posted in this thread you goy slop NPC fucking loser larping Democrat Republican fucking jew
retard
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>>732259215
>The opinions of literally who
Says the literal who sharing his dogshit opinions
Even mods can't fix your failed abortion of a show
>>732259293
>Admits he's a thoughtless peasant
>"No U!"
Well I can see how you think the show is at all creative with that stunning rebuttal.
Really, your ability to be even less original than the hacks that made the show is impressive.
>>732259249
>Who gives a shit about interplay's?
I know right? It's not like they created the franchise or anything!
Oh wait...
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>>732255221
They never retconned anything in the first place. You just jumped the gun over a show where there's only 16 fucking episodes, and quickly assumed the worst when they were setting up things to be explored later.
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>>732258247
BASED
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INCOMPREHENSIBLY BASED
>>732258359
New gay-ass had a shit environment, shit environmental story telling (especially in the main overworld), shit easter eggs (literally had to get a perk for easter eggs, something that has always been a part of fallout, because the devs thought they "wouldn't fit into a fallout game" (the first two entries legit did shit like straight up put star trek red shirt corpses in random encounters, and then said perk would basically ruin the fun of finding an easter egg yourself by playing a goofy ass sound like "WOW THIS IS A REFERENCE TO SOMETHING ISN'T IT EPIC?!?!"), shit sound/music (I want you to look me in the eyes and tell me that the ambient music was better in NV than it was in F3, or that the radio was better when it had johnny guitar x2, or that the robot voices were not actually horrible in NV), etc.
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>>732259036
>And they always put out the highest of quality products with no issues whatsoever.
lol, imagine saying this about fucking Fallout
The Boneyard alone is so broken and hacked to pieces that the fucking CANON ENDING is unobtainable through normal play, let alone all the more minor issues, like how the dialogue flag checks are completely fucked and let you ask pure nonsense with the Followers or re-complete conversations with the Gun Runners over and over and over and over again.
If anything, Bethesda's Fallout needs to be more broken to be like Interplay's. The only people that came close were Obsidian, and how much of a piece of shit the launch version of New Vegas was.
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Do you think season 3 is ending with them nuking the world again? it feels like Bethesda really regrets 4 taking the setting more post-post apocalyptic and into a period where the world is healing.
Its not a sentiment i share, you can't keep going further down the timeline without more nukes and not have the world heal over the centuries and games like NieR pulled it off well enough, but i think they are feeling like they got too far from the core brand of "lone wanderer surviving in a snapshot of the shit period of fuedalism were everyone is struggling and large scale farming can't happen yet".
I'm honestly expecting s3 to end with one of those "slow motion as a popular song plays" moments as more nukes are dropped to wipe away the enclave and in the process start things over with a reset back to pre Fallout 1 levels of oops all rads all the time. Probably so a Fallout 5 can be set later and not be green fields and roaming brahmin herds.
Also lmao at all the media plebs who don't understand set up and pay off getting mad they didn't get instant gratification dopamine release. You are the guys they added the after credits moment for so you could soiface and clap.
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>>732259786
honestly what the hell is the point of playing a game where the world is already healing? What the hell is your point in that world as the main protagonist, then? You can't save the world, it's already saving itself.
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>>732259587
For the poggers from the lowest common denominator
That's it.
They killed off an entire, memorable faction that didn't have a reason to be killed off (especially in what can only GENEROUSLY be called the still vaguely possible endings) for a LeoPointsAtTV.jpeg moment.
Any chance they get to vent their bitterness over New Vegas, they'll stanch up quicker than the drones in this thread suck up Todd's and Emil's shit.
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>>732259786
>it feels like Bethesda really regrets 4 taking the setting more post-post apocalyptic and into a period where the world is healing.
Uh, no? It's common knowledge that Bethesda already fought pretty heavily to keep the series post-post apoc, while creatives like Avellone wanted to nuke things back into the ground. It's why he tried to have every DLC but Honest Hearts have some form of "okay so this time you actually do get to destroy the entire Mojave/West Coast" kind of ending, and then wrote the Tunnelers specifically to give an avenue for it to be an inevitability anyways.
Bethesda loves Fallout. It's why Fallout 3 and 4 were not only pastiches of Fallout 1 and 2's ideas and iconography, but also an echo of how they captured their regions growing back into a civilized world, albeit more slowly for the East Coast due to the greater and more insidious presence of the Institute compared to the Enclave.
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>>732257151
NEW CALIFORNIAN REPUBLIC FOREVAAAAAAAA
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>>732260031
>They killed off an entire, memorable faction
The Kings are killed off in like, more than half of their New Vegas endings.
It's not silly that they were all slain, it's silly that they were made into Ghouls first.
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>>732255315
When it's a future entry in the series, yes.
A video game example that comes to mind is everything in Warcraft being the machinations of THE JAILER.
Bro you know everything that ever happened... it was all this guy THE JAILER doing it. Everything you ever did is because THE JAILER wanted you to do it. Arthas burning Stratholme? Jaina riding Thrall's big orc cock? THE JAILER willed it! Amazing writing, write?
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>>732259916
politics. If the world isn't renuked before Fallout 5 you will get something closer to Days Gone were there are more feral ghouls but the world itself is green and thriving and your biggest issue is the entrentched camps of dickheads all asking you to fuck over the others for them.
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>>732247743
Why are they doing a battle for Vegas? New Caesar isn't a fucking idiot and it's clear his objective is for the Legion to survive so he took control after Caesar's note was a ragequit. So why is he, as the new Caesar, suiciding into Vegas instead of going back and making sure the Legion's territories aren't eating themselves?
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>>732259719
>"how much of a piece of shit the launch version of New Vegas was"
>BETHESDA was responsible for New Vegas's QA before launch
You're supposed to Defend your position Anon, not give more proof that you're full of shit
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>>732260031
I think killing them off was fine. Its a nice "oh shit" moment when Cooper goes "shit wasn't like this last time i was here" to imply something horrible has happened but then its just deathclaws which felt like the let down.
Especially since the credits showed the inside of Ghomorra with spiked eggs along with the regular death claws and some new kind of monster in the shadows that so far hasn't gone anywhere.
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>>732259587
The point of the TV show is to completely and irrecoverably destroy the history of Fallout universe.
All to, when Falout5 eventually releases, ignore anything that was before.
Also Todd is buttmad that New Vegas was a better game and had better story.
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>>732260186
>The Kings are killed off in like, more than half of their New Vegas endings
If you're a dumbass that can't figure out the blatantly obvious right choices in a simple quest sure.
For anyone with half a brain and they live in all but the Legion ending.
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>>732258778
>You don’t know what word pretentious means, do you?
"what word pretentious means"
E S L indian gujarati
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>>732260312
And now the show has resurrected the NCR. Turns out they were fine and had an entire fucking army hidden away in a pocket dimension.
I guess the showrunner how finally read the wiki on the NCR and realized how idiotic this whole plotline was.
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>the show has resurrected the NCR
But, they never said the NCR was dead? They just said that Shady Sands was nuked. S1 already showed NCR homesteaders and retired Rangers, and had members of the NCR show up to fight for the cold fusion tech in the finale.
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>>732260690
Half the people ITT never watched the show and just watched their youtube griftdaddy tell them why they should be mad about adapting a game they never played. They are culture war slobs broken by the algorithm.
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>>732260381
>If you're a dumbass that can't figure out the blatantly obvious right choices in a simple quest sure.
The show clearly hints at the Yes Man ending being canon and considering how fucked up EVERYTHING in Vegas is its safe to say the canon courier was a retard, as is fitting for the Yes Man ending.
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>>732255728
It's still a bad idea because now they have to spend the rest of the series alternating between pretending that the vials aren't a thing and reminding viewers that the vials are important depending on whether or not they need a plot device to jerk the ghoul around.
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>>732260690
Dude, S1 takes place smack-dab in the middle of NCR territory and all we see are ghouls and FO1 shantytowns, when the mainland NCR was already a fully-industralized nation that was approaching a pre-war standards of living. What happened to all the infrastructure? Did one nuke regressed the whole region 200 years?
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Hoover Dam was a mistake
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>>732261128
NTA, but I'd say hold your horses until they actually say what that shit actually is. Especially since FO76 already went the route of saying just about any old chems would do to help refocus Ghouls and prevent going Feral, so whatever Cooper's situation is has just been yet to be elaborated on.
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>EVERY Fallout release in any media retcons or changes something from the previous one because they have never considered the games anything more than choose your own adventure sandboxes and picking any ending invalidates the majority who picked all the others so they go an ambiguous route or ignore shit entirely
>EVERY time people get mad like its happened for the first time.
This is how Todd keeps managing to trick you. You guys have the object permanence of toddlers, Todd-lers once might say, and absolutely zero pattern recognition.
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>>732261308
European detected. That's just exactly how America is even today. You drive 30 minutes out from the city and there's just fucking nothing. You drive another 30 minutes and you're in some hovel that's aged back a hundred years. Every 30 minutes then adds another 100 years. Go a couple of hours and there's fukken injuns everywhere.
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>>732261460
>EVERY Fallout release in any media retcons or changes something from the previous one because they have never considered the games anything more than choose your own adventure sandboxes and picking any ending invalidates the majority who picked all the others so they go an ambiguous route or ignore shit entirely
me when I never played fallout 1 or 2.
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>>732261680
Zoomkinda drop the larp when you don't know what you are talking about. Even the very first game has at least one bad ending option because they couldn't finish a questline in time for release and so the quest remains unfinished and you get a bad end slide during the ending montage. Fallout has ALWAYS gone "eh, fuck it" in terms of narrative. Always.
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>>732261748
>Assuming
>Projecting
>Coping
Also
>"Betheada started to make games"
BetheSda is older than you zoomie
Funny enough they made a few decent ones themselves back then somehow. But they seemed to just forget how at some point.
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>>732258247
He also believe that it's Bethesda made franchise and let Obsidian to do game in it as if they were newcomers to Fallout
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Non canon.
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>>732258359
Troon Vegays trannies keep using that debunked imaged pathetic!
Chadout 3 has perfect writing!
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>>732260112
They could at least put some effort to foreshadow this return
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>>732257548
Could be worse.
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>>732264317
>Troon Vegas
Wondered how long it would take to draw out trannyfag and his hypocrisy
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>>732264317
>takes a humorous hyperbole post that fucking seriously
Autist
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>>732265114
200 years is a very long time indeed.
Young once illustrated this by saying: imagine, if nobody bothered to clean up rubble from the Napoleonic Wars in 2020, that's how ridiculous Bethesda's Fallout is.
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>>732255685
>and thinks Fallout 3 had better writing
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>Shamus Young
his son trooned out LMAO Troon Vegays indeed.
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>>732247743
> the NCR is de-ACK
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>>732267084
>i am a chadly chad and my enemies are cute feminine males, therefore i am superior to them, and i would also never ever take them as prisoners, make them fall in love with me and live happily ever after hahaha that would be so gay haha
why are anons like this?
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So let me get this straight.
The Legion and NCR fight over New Vegas before fucking off because Caesar dies and Shady Sands gets nuked.
Then they come back 15 years later to fight over New Vegas again because, uh, Hoover Dam isn't important anymore and plot stuff is happening.
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>>732266835
>TROONTROONTROONTROONTROONTROONTROONTROONTROONTROON
Shut the fuck up tranny, your ONLY argument ever is invalid
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>>732247743
>next fallout is going to be in colorado
>Hank and Stephanie are working to revive the enclave and Yes Man ending is canon
it's kind of amazing it went from looking bleak to them picking a pretty good leaping off point for the next game.
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>>732258296
Nobody in Hollywood finances anything unless you can convince their coke-addled brains that it's guaranteed to make money, and an easy way to do that is star power. That's why you got a 60-year-old Tilda Swinton leading a sci-fi action movie as a character who's meant to be in her mid 20s at most
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>>732255315
dude its a franchise for le wacky redditors before reddit was a thing.
This is for the guy who is triple digit IQ, but not quite smart enough to be considered smart by others, or have an IRL skill which is valuable. He buys suits from 40 years ago puts on a fedora, smells like absolute dogshit, but he thinks he's Marlon Brando with his patchy ass facial hair looking disgusting. He still thinking his A+ on calculus in high school means jackshit in real life.
That IS the fallout audience.
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Memberberries and rose-tinted glasses. Like literally everything else when it comes to Fallout fandom. "Heh, my game is way better than yours because I was born during that era. d-d-don't look at the cheap, quirky millenial writing! It's still very deep and thought-provoking dammit!"
Here's an actual opinion, fallout new vegas is utter dogshit with graphics that make my eyes bleed and a story as a deep as a puddle. I'd rather mod in my own gameplay with a modern foundation like Fallout 4.
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>Everyone is chipped
>The surface is the experiment
>The NCR is back
>The ranger armor got worse
>Legion cliffhanger
>Walking to Colorado without crossing Hoover Dam
>Liberty prime
Lame
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i want to join the Enclave
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>>732267414
They fight over New Vegas again because you're supposed to point at the screen and go
>Look! Look! They're fighting over New Vegas! It's just like the game, guys! They listened!
The show just shoves imagery from the games in front of the audience and then does nothing with it. Season 1 was largely original except for the existence of the NCR, which was so different from the NCR in any of the games that it arguably isn't even the same entity. In contrast, Season 2 is an endless procession of 'member berries:
>'member the Khans?
>'member Novac? 'member Dinky?
>'member Mr. House? 'member H&H tools?
>'member the Kings?
>'member Freeside? 'member the Strip?
>'member the NCR ranger armor? Now it's NCR power armor!
>'member the Legion? 'member Caeser? 'member Lanius' mask?
>'member Victor? 'member Camp Golf?
My point being that Season 2 is just an endless procession of specific, recognizable characters, locations, and images from New Vegas. Contrast this with Season 1, which used concepts and factions from Fallout, but basically ignored everything else about the West Coast setting. The MacGuffin (the cold fusion cell) is original, the Brotherhood characters are original, the Enclave character is original, all of the vaults are original, etc. The one allusion to the original games is Shady Sands, which was inaccurate to the games in multiple, obvious ways.
>So you dislike the show when it's original, but you... also dislike it when it references the game?
No, I dislike the show because it has simply been bad in both of these cases. The characters are (literally) stupid, the tone is wildly consistent, and the script is full of plot contrivances, plot holes, and loose ends that are dangled in front of the audience to bait engagement for further seasons. It's a bad show with good props and sets. I think all the 'member berries the audience was force fed in Season 2 were supposed to be a sincere attempt to address the criticisms of Season 1.
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>>732272720
I realize now that my point probably isn't clear because of the gay character limit, so tl;dr
>The show can reference stuff from the games all it wants, but everything it has actually DONE with characters, locations, etc. from the games has been retarded, so saying things like, "The NCR is back!" is meaningless to me.
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so that girl tries to help norm and he fucks off to talk in a radio instead of escaping, then he gets caught, obviously, she helps him again and gets shoved, then she gets trapped in a room wirh radroaches and he hides under a desk outside, she survives on her own and he drags her on a cart across the desert? I'm a man and I got the ick