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Give us your ID to protect kids STUPID ASS GOYCATTLE BAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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>>732256102
Aren't creeps just gonna fail the age verification so they can keep on larping as 12yo girls in order to talk to actual 12yo girls?
At least that Minecraft solution would require kids to lie about their ages, instead of relying on pedophiles to be honest.
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>>732256285
you know why
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If I had to be over 18 to talk in online video games growing up, I probably would have turned into the school shooter that everyone thought I was. Literally life-changing friendships made from people I talked to when I was 14
>you're exagerating
I've been living with the same bro that I met from back then for 16 years.
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>>732256102
not seeing the problem here
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>>732256102
i wish people would push back against this.
this shit is terrible
>>732256336
i made so many friends on xbox live in middle and high school. this is a travesty.
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>>732256336
which of you is the bottom?
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>>732256102
this surveillance state has been instantiated to prevent criticism of israel's genocide in gaza desu
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>>732256292
a second internet cant come fast enough. theres a good alternative for just about everything now, the corporations just need to destroy themselves to finally make people move on from the mainstream AI infested indian garbage. an economic collapse means stockholders are finally what they deserve, the next great depression is the great reset that we deserve, ubiquitously a good thing.
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>>732256415
by "protect kids" they actually mean protect kids from antisemitism as the great johnathan greenblatt once asked for
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>>732256724
But it works on boomer and women.
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what is this supposed to solve?
what are they afraid of happening if your teenager is allowed to chat in game?
unironically i'm not sure what this is mean to prevent. rapes? your kid gets "tricked" into getting fucked over minecraft? does that even happen? this doesn't seem like a real problem to be solved. it seems like something that people are imagining is a problem but don't actually understand.
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>>732256102
Didn't Robolox recently ignore a lot of grooming/pedo complaints, and then attack the people who complained? I think the only solution is to not let your kids engage with absolutely anyone on Robolox (or the internet for that matter).
Also the ID verification is going to spread and be abused so badly (doxxing, leaks, selling user data, fraud, censorship, etc.). It will be so bad and anyone that should be punished for said abuse probably won't. It won't protect anyone, only punish those that comply with it imo.
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>>732256102
The worst part is that the internet really needs some oversight and regulation because its anarchic "let anyone do anything" nature has made it thoroughly exploited by all sorts of bad faith actors now that it's used by pretty much everyone but few governments can actually be trusted with that without trying to exploit it for all its worth, and there's very few campaigns over making internet users educated on internet use. I'm hopeful people might adapt within a generation or two and we won't really need the internet to be controlled because people will be more responsible and knowledgeable with it.
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>>732256992
the kids are here.
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>>732256918
>I'm hopeful people might adapt within a generation or two and we won't really need the internet to be controlled because people will be more responsible and knowledgeable with it.
I'm sorry but this is an absolutely asinine post
The median internet user has consistently gotten dumber and less tech savvy for the last three decades running
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>>732256850
>what is this supposed to solve?
Parents are retarded in a way where they assume their child is always in some kind of danger but they don't really want to take responsibility when something bad happens to them. So anything that promises it automatically "protects" the kid in some way is very appealing to them.
>i'm not sure what this is mean to prevent
The vague:
"le stranger on the internet made my kid feel bad"
"le stranger on the internet made my kid do something sexual"
"le stranger on the internet made my kid do something stupid"
"le stranger on the internet made my kid an undesirable (in the current political climate)"
There are actual legitimate concerns but the reality of the situation is that governments deliberately making the population actual cattle. The world is full of dangers and you need all these rules (they will use against you) if you want to be safe. "Stay safe" was born directly from normalizing this. It is now normalized today to say goodbye to someone with this, implying the real world out there is so dangerous.
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>>732256102
I haven't used an in game chat in over a decade
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>>732256918
I was there. 3000 years ago when nobody was watching over you on the internet and guess what? You got used to it. The pussification of the population is to be blamed for it.
>everyone but few governments can actually be trusted
LOL. Governments exploit this shit the most. Frauds? Malware? Leaking millions of passwords? That is small time compared to the total control governments are striving for. See China? Western goverments are salivating when they see everyone needs an ID and everything they ever do on the web can be tracked and controlled. You have no idea what these databases could do with AI. You make a comment somewhere about not liking the current thing? Whops your life somehow takes turn to the worse. You will only get irrelevant jobs, you miss out on sales, your comments get automatically to the bottom of every discussion. You somehow only see news articles about things that contradict what you think. This is the future goverments strive for.
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>>732257169
>Parents are retarded in a way where they assume their child is always in some kind of danger
i never had this but i knew other kids who did. i was allowed to play with BB guns. i was allowed to ride my bike without a helmet. the computer didn't have parental controls.
my middle school friends and I sent each other shock sites. we'd set the home page of computers in school to lemonparty.
i grew up in an internet that was way more wild west than the internet is now, and i'm 30. the internet is even more locked down and people want to lock it down more? i don't get it. i just don't get what changed in the past... 5 years it feels like... that made it like this. the ID verification stuff, sharing your real information online. that's the antithesis of what i was taught on how to be safe online.
the "protect the kids" thing has been around forever. stranger danger in the (80s or 90s or something). my question is why is this internet lockdown thing happening now, of all times.
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>>732257157
That's because the number of new internet arrivals has been consistently outnumbering the number of regular internet users as more and more people gained access to the internet. I think the number of internet users who arrived after 2013 outnumbers the internet users from before 2013 but I'm not sure if there's a source for that. This has started to slow down because the number of current internet users is massive so now there'll be more and more regular internet users. It's kinda bad that kids are raised on the internet but at least they become more knowledgeable about it over time and knowledgeable internet users can pass down their knowledge to others. There's been hurdles, like zoomers that don't know how to use a computer because they only used touchscreen interfaces, but I'm hopeful that the internet might be able to improve in the future and we're essentially getting past the pains of starting out with the technology. Only thing I don't think might improve that much is mental health as a result of constant internet use though.
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>>732256169
The zoomers can't even read a basic sentence at college. The next generation is going to be even worse than them. It's all by design because of AI. They're going to turn the remainder of gen Z and A into mindless corposlop consuming zombies before they forcefully send them off to the gulag. Everyone who already has their shit will agree with it because they'll be fed a sense of superiority because gen Z/A are fucking retarded and people don't want no retards.
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No one over the age of 12 should be playing kids games like roblox, fortnite and minecraft.
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>>732256169
non-verbal communication is strong in minecraft
i play with kids on minecraft and you can communicate a lot just by crouch spamming and punching/swinging while looking pointedly in different directions
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>>732256774
>implying it doesn't work on retarded men just as well
If I had a dollar for every time some zoomer manbaby has ever made a post telling people to stop being attracted to underage video game/anime characters in the name of 'protecting the kids', I would probably be a millionaire.
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>>732256368
>If you ruin a child's innocence by showing them explicit memes, then that really spoils the experience when we pass them around as party favors to be sexually abused on our private islands
>You can't imagine the emotional devastation that a CEO or news anchor feels when he pulls out his cock and the child simply states that "he's seen bigger"
This is why the economy is in the dumps
>>732256918
The oversight and regulation is called parenting and the basic security against bad faith actors was to not post personally identifying details online.
There is no amount of coddling that can be performed to help bad parents.
"Think of the children", much like "muh terrorism" and "muh intellectual property" is just a way to increase government mandated censorship, consolidation and data harvesting.
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>>732257498
>Back then we learned in class that we shouldn't talk to strangers on the streets. This should be applied to online chats too now
kids are not that retarded. maybe young kids, 9-10. 13? 14? i don't think you're going to get tricked into getting molested.
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>>732257498
problem is that predators will spend weeks and months grooming a child into thinking he is another child or whatever cover they are using to lure them into a false sense of security.
Discord is epsteins island but open to the public.
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This is what happens when woman get power/equality. They forego a father for their children and then empower the govt. to become their kid's metaphorical father so she can doomscroll and continue to fuck a random dude every other week. Instead of being an active parent.
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So how is age-checking going to be implemented?
>Just trust me bro I swear I'm over 18
Every kid who wants to chat will lie
>Giving away image of passpord or somesuch
Great way to get your ID stolen. I wouldnt trust a random company that has no real profit motive (you can play without ID) to implement anything but cheapest, leakiest protection measures.
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>>732257368
>>everyone but few governments can actually be trusted
I said that few governments can actually be trusted, everyone thinks of Britain or the US when they think of government internet control because those are gerontocracies (old people ruling the government) who can't quite grasp the internet and have outdated mentalities like "peasants should serve nobles" and "we should execute whoever mocks me on the internet" or w/e, or China with its Great Firewall, or Russia. Not every government is awful but I do agree that, unfortunately, the most influential governments in the case of the internet can't be trusted with it.
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>MUH CENSORSHIP
You know all of this wouldn't happen if the people in charge of Roblox were not retarded, right? The fact that the platform got infesfed with pedophile freaks was known for fucking years but they refused to do ANYTHING about it and even made the undesirables feel like they're being protected.
Now they have a fire burning under their arses and are desperate for some shitty solution when actual proper moderation instead of filtering naughty words would've solved the problem long ago.
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>>732256591
Man, maybe those kids should communicate the way they did for the past 2000 years before the internet.
I mean, feeling nostalgic for internet friendship. Thats sad. You don't make friends on the net.
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>>732257659
>Giving away image of passpord or somesuch
It's that one
I want to note that this is now, already, the law in Spain, Australia, South Korea, etc.
No posting unless you upload a scan of your photo ID
Most of the "civilized" world will fall in line alarmingly quickly and the legislative votes won't even be by close margins
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>>732257872
No they didn't unless you were fortunate enough to be able to meet them in real life, as actual physical humans.
Internet friends aren't really friends, hence why no one really says "gee I wish I had more internet friends".
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>>732257946
It's not racist if it's "to protect kids" (read to identify you in order to jail you for not voting for a communist candidate). You will own nothing, you will have no privacy and you will be happy. Comply or you will be jailed.
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>>732257907
Your privacy doesn't mean anything to anyone, you fucking worthless retard. An entire generation is literally retarded because they grew up on social media. Your CP collection means nothing in the face of that literal existential threat to our species.
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>>732258024
I come here to shit on retarded zoomers. This site used to be good now it's utterly fucked because of you retarded fucking morons.
>how old do you think zoomers are?
A zoomer is anyone who was raised on social media. I don't give a fuck if you're 14 or 40, if you grew up on that shit, your brain is rotten and you are a zoomer. Every generation that grows up addicted to social media will always be zoomers because there's no separation of culture anymore.
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>>732258102
Cope and seethe, fucktard. We will be doing things my way and you will deal with it like the retarded piece of shit you are. Maybe one day you'll even understand how necessary it was if you can break your brainrot conditioning.
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>>732258046
>Discord should also have ID checks to prove you are 18
no discord should be deleted for literally killing the rest of the internet
nothing should have ID verification whatsoever
get discord and the indians the fuck off the internet before you think you have any say in internet safety, kike
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>>732258237
kill yourself, you worthless nobody
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it's actually a shame that you guys utterly refuse to have real conversations. i think it's interesting because there are real talking points on either side of this, but instead you guys just throw shit at each other and pat yourselves on the back.
it's not even having a discussion at this point. it's just fighting online. and it's pretty gay.
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>>732258038
I think that anon's point is that it may do more harm than good. Anything stopping predators is nothing but good. However, we are giving up some freedoms to do so (because this will spread elsewhere). And the predators will still get around the systems anyways. The real solution is to teach kids about stranger danger, have parents be proactive about their kids social media/communication online, and have Robolox be extemely serious about the problems themselves. Flashing your ID won't stop the predators from faking IDs. You need to nip it in the bud by teaching kids there are sickos out there, how to avoid and report them, and for those reports to be taken seriously. But again, stopping even one predator is ideal, yet I just dont see this working and it having long term consequences.
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>>732258421
have you been on this website in the past 20 years?
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>Sorry, goyim, but we're enacting Orwellian protocols and creating a surveillance state for the safety of your sexy, gentile children. It's for the best.
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I'm convinced the posters being fine with this are paid actors to spew out shitty same-think for the retards on this website. Losing anonymity in a game because the parent couldn't be fucked to pay attention to their kid is going to have reputations that will follow through the entire online space. Including 4chin, you dumb niggers.
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>>732258456
This is happening because governments finally realized internet exists. China was first to understand how important it is to take control of it to push narratives, everyone else pretended wild west was good actually till we get dangerously close to a proper ww3 and now everyone rushing to secure their web regardless of screeching.
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>>732258601
Acknowledging that this whole shit is happening because Roblox had a "eh, whatever" approach to the problem for way too long is not being a "paid actor".
In fact, I'd say just shutting down Roblox entirely is a better solution.
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>>732258641
fuck off buzzword spewing redditfaggot. You have no operational security either, stop pretending you're some fucking secret agent. You children are hopelessly brainrotted if you think anyone but another zoomer is gonna believe that.
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>>732258571
>you have idea how opsec works retard lmao
no idea*
a random gaming corporate entity having your sensitive info in a vulnerable public database is not the same as the NSA having or scraping your data
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>>732258721
>You have no operational security either, stop pretending you're some fucking secret agent.
nice projection, this is not secret agent tier this is not wanting your real government ID getting leaked tier, slit your throat you babbling redditor
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>>732258671
and you're a fucking conformist faggot you shouldn't be telling people to capitulate on this. if Britain could get thier commie government to back down on this so can we. We must resist. they will pay the price for thier faggotry.
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>the kids start getting too based
>OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN
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>>732258617
You can't be fucked to read the underlying quote. You fucking idiot.
>>"We believe this move will set a standard that other gaming, social media, and communication platforms will follow."
Its encouraging removing anonymity on everything connected to the internet to enforce an ID tied to everything, you actual troglodyte.
Stop moving the goalpost of the actual conversation, this isn't about just a game like roblox (that already has people bypassing the age verification) you moron.
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>>732258804
>if i just call them pedos surely the goyim will stop getting mad at me
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>>732256368
>it's all about children safety
>it's about keeping children safe
>just keep your child safe
>so give us all your data and let us watch you so you don't say a couple no-no words on the internet
>it's about the safety of children you chud
>but that global child raping gang that has been now fully exposed to the public?
>no, of course we're not going to do anything about it
>stop being antisemitic
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>>732256169
They'll continue until they successfully breed vocalization out of the future generations, a key step in the plan to kill the humanity of humanity, so that the kids can be optimal cattle for rape, torture, cannibalism and sacrifices to Baal and Moloch.
This is the endgame. Completely taking advantage of the physical weaknesses of the human form to strip them of everything that makes them God's children. Ensure damnation even in the souls that are otherwise too pure, too innocent to know the fires and chains of Hell, because the soul worth saving is never allowed to manifest under the biological conditions and demonic influence that taints the existence.
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>>732258924
didn't merit a response. I can see you're below average IQ and are seething so hard you can barely form a sentence so I'll let you off before you have a fucking aneurism. Jesus christ zoomers are pathetic. You all genuinely need to be culled once4 we get these bans in place. Start over, you are a failed crop.
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>>732258664
>Acknowledging that this whole shit is happening because Roblox had a "eh, whatever" approach to the problem for way too long is not being a "paid actor".
it was obviously purposely orchestrated to justify digital ID. the most obvious psyop ever.
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>>732259091
Cope? Seethe? About what? I'm getting what I want. You are going away until you grow up. There will NEVER be anything you can do about it either because birth rates have fallen so far that zoomers will NEVER be a political force lmfao cope until you die, retarded piece of shit child.
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>>732256368
>Being lectured about protecting children from the country that says 'they were asking for it' when thousands of prepubescent girls are systemically gangraped by ((asian youths)) in their own backyard
Lol.
Lmao.
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>>732258759
It will stop some probably, but Robolox hasn't taken it seriously up to now. I don't think they'll take it seriously even with the IDs. And how do you tell a kid account from a non kid account? Who's to say the predators aren't getting into the servers were the kids are anyways from some back door creeper magic they use? Again, Robolox hasn't been taken it seriously so I don't have faith this will solve anything. The only outcome I see are the IDs getting leaked and causing a massive identity theft crisis. And maybe some predators not coming back there, but I think they'll find waya around regardless.
It would be better imo if they got rid of all communication on Robolox immediately, review all the previous reported predators, and then working with police to takr action on these reports. No IDs needed, giving justice where it should have been done, and no way for predators to use Robolox maliciously. Alternatively, shutting down Robolox altogether.
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>>732259095
Be normal. No. Fuck off. Plus videogame are normal so you're a stupid fuckwit anyway.
>be normal
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>>732259090
The posters heavily projecting in this thread failed to see the irony, unfortunately.
Shutting down Roblox would just be a better alternative then sacrificing online privacy because of failed parenting
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>>732259187
>mr government, I don't want to raise my children
>that requires work, and I am a very tired millenial, my back hurts and I'm depressed!
>so please take my rights away
>I can't raise my own child so you have to do it for me
basically
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>>732256285
It would hit different if you fags weren't all pedophiles
You're not the canary, you're the poison gas causing the mining company to make us carry a useless chicken because they're retarded
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>>732256102
>Say goodbye to communicating in video games
It's like this nigga aint even played a game from the last 10 years lmaooo
>precanned responses and statements accessed via a directional menu
>all chat disabled by default, if it is allowed at all
hurt feelings = lost dollars
goyim cannot be trusted to communicate responsibly, after all
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>Face verification through webcam can be abused through letting another person getting scanned or using a geralt image on your phone to bypass it
>Fake ID or reusing one (The former is something that actually gets sold under the table for ages and the latter is exploitable)
>Examples of Companies promising to delete the verified IDs from their database, only to then be hacked and revealed that they kept these
>Trying to enforce policies on games which are too diverse in their own cultures and word usages which in return causes annoyance (The most notable example being Minecraft's chat filter where someone got banned for saying moon in the chat, which also affects your ability to play in LAN-mode). Mods to circumvent it came only slightly slower than the DSfix for the OG dark souls release on steam.
It's an unspoken thing that the age verification is bullshit because surprise: PEOPLE CAN FUCKING LIE ABOUT THINGS ONLINE.
Those youtube age group statistics people like to pull out to dismiss claims that content creators are making shit that is taking advantage of kids? Yeah, you can make a very good guess about many just lied about their age to view "adult"-only content.
I don't remember in what country this fucking nonsense has started but this is fucking ridiculous. Whoever came up with it and thus gave others the excuse to abuse it too should step on the sharp parts of lego.
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>>732259220
Videogames win.
I don't imagine you going out to have fun outside in the woods or in the streets, this is because your brain knows it is boring.
How about you go be fun at parties or whatever. Go kiss your friends and family lol, got any time for videogames?
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ermm chud this is the GovCorpo™ McPrivate Public Square, it's against the Rothschild-Epstein Universal Terms of Service to have Aryan genetics without getting the mandatory weekly Black Lives Matter™ Vaccine from the Goyim Health Service (GHS)
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So would you happily give your ID/use Digital ID?
I'm not trying to argue with you, I just want to know your opinion. A simple yes or no will suffice, then I will fuck off.
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>>732258624
>This is entirely the fault of boomers and millennials for being shit parents
Why do zoomies continue to run cover for their actual parents Gay-X?
What's going on here? They behave as if that generation doesn't exist.
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Reminder: the Elites will do this, and (You) won't stop it. The only obstacles to Elite plans are pragmatic ones, not The People™ asking very, very nicely for them to stop.
>>732259536
>Governments around the world are implementing one form or another of mandatory digital age verification
>a game company is seeing this trend and implementing it themselves
>"wh-what do you mean this is political?!"
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>>732259536
Epstein is literally responsible for the modern state of vidya being cashgrab bullshit, in order to corrupt children into having addictions, so that they'll be big fuckups which makes it so they're denied heaven, per their dark masters' demands, and also makes it easier to secure the corrupt's own offspring for carnal and ritualistic purposes should they get far enough to reproduce.
Are you surprised that the elites are seeking to further politicize vidya to be another tool for their agendas?
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>>732258624
Yes I am sorry and I have some sympathy for zoomers but also I just hate retards and zoomer are ALL retards. I don't have kids so I'm not directly responsible but I still feel bad that we didn't protect zoomers sooner but at the same time I grew up online too and I didn't turn out to be fucking retarded. I never needed social media like zoomers seem to so I can't understand how kids have been so utterly destroyed by it.
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Third party services will pop up like weeds, they'll go unmanaged, and present themselves as privacy oriented alternatives made for adults who don't want to expose their identifying information, while being directly targeted at young children. They'll deliberately facilitate the connection of adult predators to vulnerable children.
There are only two ways to avoid this shit entirely. One is to basically blow up the whole internet and force everyone to share their personal information at all times, which still wouldn't work because children will use their parents' identities, and predators will use fake or stolen identities to evade any system which might be implemented.
The other way, which would actually work for the most part, is to just expect parents and caregivers to monitor what the children they're responsible for are doing on the internet and intervening when and where they think it's appropriate.
It isn't that hard. All you'd need to do is make client-side logging of websites visited and messages sent easier and more accessible for the non-tech-savvy. ISPs and network equipment manufacturers offering more, well constructed tools for customers to use to keep an eye on their kids. Mobile data providers implementing plans for Children and Youths that securely forward their browsing and message history to a trusted adult. There's practically no way for such things to be evaded if they're in place, because the absence of logs would be proof the child is evading the system, and reason enough for the parent or guardian to talk to their child and set boundaries as necessary.
The mainstream internet doesn't have to be compromised, parents and guardians get more flexibility in deciding what's appropriate or not for their children to be seeing, and the onus of blame if something still ends up going badly is able to be placed with certainty.
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not a single coherent argument
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It’s always about protecting kids or muh terrorism and normal fags/npcs always fall for it and defend it, so tired of this fucking shithole planet
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>>732256169
Gen ß will communicate like the spore people in that one SG-1 episode
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>>732259780
>The other way, which would actually work for the most part, is to just expect parents and caregivers to monitor what the children they're responsible for are doing on the internet and intervening when and where they think it's appropriate.
fucking retard zoomer, you think we didn't try that? They get around it because parents can't be fucking everywhere and kids can access the internet anywhere. Banning them solves that. None of your other schizo rambling scenarios are close to reality.
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>All these conspiracy theories that have been proven true
>My face preparing to learn it's true that murder victims, women, children etc. are disposed of by being ground up into food factories for big chains like McDonalds and Burger King
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>epstein was literally behind everything from pedophilic sex trafficking to micro transactions to brexit to the push for right wing governments to palantir harvesting all data
>nothing ever will be done because the rich never get punished
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>>732259927
>All these conspiracy theories that have been proven true
I hope you're not talking about the ones itt because they've all been categorically proven untrue. This shit has already happened in places and none of the schizo theories came true.
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>>732259927
And it only gets better! Remember, we're literally only scratching the surface of the Epstein Files.
You're going to learn some very, very, very important truths about how the world has operated for the past several thousand years, and how the Epstein circle came to inherit this power.
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>>732258601
Real enlightenment is realizing a lot of people really are that retarded.
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>>732260045
this has to be the most retarded post I've ever seen here. This place just gets dumber every year.
>>732260051
Proof is in the puddin' kiddo. Humans can verify this with their own eyes.
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>>732260008
Cloud seeding.
Tracking your movements via wi-fi.
Chemical in the water that castrated frogs, and genderbent others into functional females. (Turning the frogs gay)
Satanic baby-raping pedophiles run the world.
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>>732256102
Good.
Maybe now kids will play single player games instead of shit like that.
Because if you are playing an online game, but it isn't pvp with random matchmaking... why even play it instead of a single player game?
Though we all know it's a ruse and what they actually want is data.
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>>732256102
>microjew spearheading the initiative
I fucking hate the antichrist so much
>>732256169
all the boomers care about is reducing child rape figures. collateral damage be damned
>>732256183
>Aren't creeps just gonna fail the age verification
wow it's almost like the system is an excuse to dox common people and end online chatting
anyway, failing won't do them any good since they can't chat up anyone
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>>732260025
My favorite part is that it still won't change anything. Not a single thing. People will laugh it out, make some memes, claim that "they knew it all along" and everyone will go back to their usual business.
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>>732260158
This is the goal that the jews have been working towards for thousands of years. Expand, gain power to dominate globally, endure the true hardships, fabricate sympathetic hardships, domesticate the goyim, and then use the unwilling sacrifices to numb the already-docile cattle to ensure their primal blood doesn't spark their dulled instincts to rebel and destroy.
Baal and Moloch are getting their dues, we've just reached the phase where the jews feel confident in openly telling it to our faces because they know we can't do shit about it except kill ourselves or wait to be killed. Either way is another soul to bolster the power of their dark lords.
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It's weird how this is the only site that actually cares about this. Could be because you like anonymity but nothing is ever said here that needs to be said anonymously so it can only be one of the other 2 options: you're a kid or a pedo who wants to groom kids
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>>732260393
how? they're all legal on fraudulent visas
the only thing they're keeping out is students and athletes
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>>732259943
>>nothing ever will be done because the rich never get punished
Honestly there's a point at which it becomes impossible to punish someone any harder. You could liquidate all their assets and it would only cover a small part of reparations if you consider how many people suffered some kind of damages at their hands. Life sentence or death sentence? If they're going to get that for killing or maiming a few people, they might as well go on and murder them by the thousands or even millions. They have the means of fucking shit up on such a grand scale it's hard to imagine.
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>>732260439
yeah even the regular conspiracy theorists on other sites understand this is good. Only the most retarded of schizos are still arguing against it. I was actually surprised that this shit never got any traction.
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>>732260459
Let's not forget, they still have nukes. Everyone still has nukes. If you somehow cornered every last member of the pedo cannibal cult and executed them, at least ONE of them is going to be rigged to send a signal to launch something as soon as their vitals stop.
And then, naturally, as soon as one launches, more will follow, per Mutually Assured Destruction, whether from planted agents who were tasked with waiting for a scenario like this, or the unknowing fools who simply see an incoming WMD and are responding accordingly.
There is no victory for the common man to be had. The last laugh is theirs, completely and utterly.
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>>732260560
they're legal visas, approved on lies backed by plausible deniability (w-we looked really hard b-but we couldn't find any l-local workers to fill these positions!)
you seem completely unaware of the problem
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>>732259873
I'm talking about home Wi-fi, your DSL, Fiber or Cable Modem keeping private, not exposed to the internet at all, logs of what goes in and out of your own LAN. Or Phone service providers offering plans that track what kids on specialized plans meant for parental supervision are doing.
All a parent or guardian would need to do is check those logs on a regular basis. If a kid is getting exposed to stuff you don't want them to be by a friend or other third party outside the home, they will almost certainly attempt to access it themselves and send up a red flag as a result. Then the parent or guardian intervenes and talks to the kid about what they're doing, and/or adds additional restrictions as appropriate. If the kid is evading the system somehow, there won't be any logs at all, or far fewer logs than expected. Both of which are a sign that intervention is probably a good idea.
A system like this allows parents and guardians to decide what they're comfortable with their children seeing and doing on the internet. Maybe they think their ten year old is mature enough for T rated games and PG-13 content.
Maybe they DON'T think their 14 year old should be on Discord at all.
Having top down rules and restrictions in place, set by the government, or by Google, or whoever, is bad. One size doesn't fit all. Not every kid is the same, and not every parent has the same opinions on what's suitable for their kid.
As it stands, the closest thing to an official standard that exists is YouTube Kids Baby Sensory Videos-tier shit from age 0-14, then a sharp, sudden jump into the deep end of social media with absolutely zero requirement for platform literacy, or identity protection, and every encouragement in the world to overshare personal information
Which is obviously a fucking mess.
Move the onus of responsibility back onto parents and caretakers of children. The internet is not a babysitter. It's an open forum with countless venues and obscure back alleys.
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>My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack’s muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?
This is your future
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>>732260681
>you seem completely unaware of the problem
I am, I was just talking abut the two "protestors" who clearly thought it was a good idea to disrupt Law Enforcement.
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>voted for
So it's not a right-wing Government, since it operates within and makes no changes to the function of the liberal republic.
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>>732256102
Can't socialize in school because you're getting bullied? Want some place you can be yourself? Well you can't. I guess you just have to kill yourself. Because we would rather you were dead than risk you being horny. It is better that you watch AI generated video algorithms than make a friend outside of your peer group.
They really want autistic people to suffer don't they? And for what? Their own protection? How are teens ever meant to develop if you never allow them autonomy? Why are these laws framed as "parental rights", how about we discuss parental wrongs? Starting with those who treat children like property, they are lower than dirt.
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>>732260238
Well what can we do when people got brainwashed into depersonalizing their prophets?
Everyone involved into files will continue unopposed.
And Le Funny Gay Frog Man got billed 4 billions dollars for questioning those people.
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>>732260549
>yeah even the regular conspiracy theorists on other sites understand this is good.
LOL what sites? literally everyone is against this except stockholder boomers at the top, nice try kike but no one is falling for your disinfo
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>>732258849
NTA but there's no reason we can't simply refuse to provide ID for other things while letting this slide. No one actually gives a damn about being able to chat on Roblox and Minecraft has been circling the drain for ages.
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>>732261074
The "chuds" you're talking about certainly won't; they still support the liberal, democratic republic that empowered these people in the first place.
>>732261118
I hope they arrest you for wasting their time.
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>>732261074
There's nothing TO do anymore. Humanity failed when the jew was not completely and utterly eradicated prior to our ability to develop superweapons.
And no, I don't mean "we should've let Hitler gas the kikes", Hitler was a psyop to make the jew look like the ultimate victim, he was completely in on the setup through the Rothschilds, and now you're seeing the cabal using the Hitler psyop again with the "Hitler was the good guy all along, whyt didn't we listen to him!?" narrative to generate further discourse, perfectly in tune with this emergent idea that antisemitism is trendy, that it can be codified into a quirky trait scattered across a few retards instead of mankind's burning desire for a healthy world.
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>>732261151
>No one actually gives a damn about being able to chat on Roblox and Minecraft has been circling the drain for ages.
you're retarded if you think they're gonna stop there
that's only the beginning. all sites where you can submit OC and chat will require it, you stupid moron
the intent is to end the spread spread of protests and content that upsets government officials and corporations, and to create profiles for everyone so they can easily find you if you express wrongthink
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>>732257370
>evidence of global pedophile blackmail ring that world leaders, celebrities, bankers, princes,etc are all part of
>normies more worried about some bum on minecraft
People deserve the shit world they live in
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>>732260974
socialization doesn't universally stop people from being spergs. I went through mandatory education including mandatory college, since my country made me stay in education until 18.
Did I develop social skills? No, I went fucking insane. I stopped sleeping, I would hide in empty class rooms, I would have delusions that I was psychically communicating with birds and that there were grand conspiracies all around me, I could go on.
The point is that some people like myself are just socially retarded and that's okay actually. You would not want me in a workplace environment, I assure you that I would be a liability to everyone.
>>732261112
"Natural selection" is what lonely bullied kids wear on their shirt when they start shooting up their classroom. Your social darwinism will backfire.
>>732261183
I agree. Ideally they should be homeschooled or sent to special schools. Sadly that often doesn't happen.
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>>732261345
>"Natural selection" is what lonely bullied kids wear on their shirt when they start shooting up their classroom.
That shit only happens in one country lol weird how kids can get bullied all over the world for all of human history and it's only amerimutts who can't handle it.
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>>732261345
>"Natural selection" is what lonely bullied kids wear on their shirt
yes, they've failed to adapt, which is why they're shot down like rabid dogs by law enforcement and why everyone wants the quiet kid in the classroom locked up before he snaps
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>>732261432
twatter flags protests as being nsfw and demands ID
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>>732260912
This is the opposite of parental rights. It's the government and private businesses unilaterally deciding what's appropriate for your kid to see and do on your behalf.
And guess why no one's floating the idea of actually letting parents have control?
Some tiny proportion of parents will abuse that power, by someone or another's subjective judgement.
God forbid a parent have an opinion if they're seeing their kid getting a little too invested in the idea of being gay or transgender before they've even hit puberty.
God forbid a parent have an opinion if they're seeing their kid getting a little too invested in some Trad Lifestyle Be a Shithead to Your Peers No Fun Protestant philosophy.
Somehow the only people kids deserve privacy from are their own parents or guardians. Everyone else gets unfettered access as long as they play by the rules.
It's not the end of the world for a kid to have to get out from under their parents before they can really start thinking and acting for themselves. A good parent will ramp that up over time and be a good, gentle influence on their kid in the process, but unfortunately, that can't be the standard, because everyone has a different opinion on how far up that ramp goes, what being a good influence is, and exactly what it means to be gentle.
The truth is that almost all parents love their kids, and almost all parents act in the way that they feel is most beneficial to their kids' futures.
But unfortunately, the people who dominate the discussion are the minority who had bad parents. Their experiences color everything in the discussion about parenting. It's always how do we protect children from bad parents? Not how do we help the vast majority of parents, who are basically fine, or even good, do what's best for their children?
It's impossible to come up with a thorough, satisfactory solution to the first question for the same reason it's impossible to totally eliminate crime. People are just bad sometimes.
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>>732261446
So what are you realistically proposing here? A Psycho Pass type system in which people's mental wellness is monitored all day for problematic brainwaves? So that they can be exterminated if they are determined to be a threat in some indetermined future?
Would you want your child to be murdered by the state if they're showing signs of defiant disorder?
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>>732261471
Retard
I'm not gonna link you the full story for some actual room temperature IQ mouth breather that got filtered this hard by a google search lmaooooooo
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>>732261541
sounds fine to me
I have nothing to hide from the government
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>>732261541
Not even that, they want to make it easier to shut people out from each other so they can conduct seamless kidnappings.
Sacrifices to Moloch and Baal for the jewish pedo cannibal cabal, and no one will know that person is even gone aside from a select few, and they can just be made to disappear too to shut up the commotion.
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>>732261545
Just do what we've always done and separate the retards from the rest of the group, you know, like a SPED. I don't care if you're an academic retard, a social retard, or just a retard in general. I don't want the academic system to be dragged down to accommodate the bottom 5%.
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>>732261542
>And guess why no one's floating the idea of actually letting parents have control?
Because they already had control and 98% of them failed. Nothing actually happens to kids or their parents when they get caught on social media. The law exists to normalise not letting your kid online because LITERALLY EVERYONE OVER THE AGE OF 20 knows this shit is insanely harmful to them.
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>>732261691
>leaking
and selling. they'll sell the shit out of it
>corporation gets bought out
>info falls in information broker's hands
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>>732256102
Genuinely. Good. Fucking good. I dont even think anyone under the age of 17 should have the internet, let alone be allowed to communicate with strangers on it, and yet, they are given it right ouf of the womb, parents who do this should be punished. All that shit we learned of "stranger danger" was completely ignored and undone by children being given the internet as soon as they took their first breath, and they are actually legitamately fucking ruined because of it, and its become a tool for allowing parents to not have to be parents.
If you ever actually played Roblox it is LITERAL babbling babies with headsets on talking about Charlie Kirk and how the world needs to change, and then you catch the sound of someone in the lobby that sounds like theyre 40 saying "hey do you want to watch a movie with me in private". This shit is fucking ridiculous.
Literally, ban children from the internet. Instead of banning everyone else and making all these laws to protect children, ban the fucking children, they should not have access to this shit, everyone else shouldnt be punished for them being able to get in.
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I dont think kids should be chatting to each other online with or without id verification. I hope all live service games and social media and porn sites force this nonsense, do something better with your time. You can they'll do it to something I care about but it simply isn't true, I think this shithole is the last "social media" site I use and its just out of habit
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Lying faggot samefag
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>>732261767
But if they ban the kids, the pedo cabal can't learn who would be the easiest to kidnap so they can rape, torment, cannibalize and sacrifice. That's the reason all these measures call for these all-punishing extremes that STILL allow kids to linger instead of the simple of "no kids allowed, ban as soon as we realize you're probably some underaged twat."
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Can't wait until they force Digital ID on 4chan and all you fuckers just turn out to be a bunch of poorfag brownoids.
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>>732261689
The american education system is dragged down by conservatives.
Our eduction system organizes people into different sets, with the better performing students in the higher sets. No one is being dragged down by slow kids and blaming them for why schools are shit is seriously misplaced anger.
>>732261727
"Threat to our democracy" is CIA talk for anyone with a pineal gland.
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All account based social media should be banned and everyone who has EVER had an account should be shot
That includes (you) for that twitter account you made 15 years ago so you could have a chance at getting into a game beta
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>>732261853
only a brown tendie mongoloid like (You) would write that
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>>732262007
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>noooooo but muh pedo global elite cabal is actually doing because of *mental gymnastics*
says the board who 90% of voted for Donald Trump, a member of said cabal
fuck outta here with your pretend worry about children
The only reason you don't like this is because it slightly inconviniences you by not being allowed to groom kids online anymore. You stupid ass hypocrites
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lmfao this seething fucking retard is so mad that his terrible attempt at lying got called out that his brain is literally broken
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>>732261927
Theyre not banned from games. People want them banned from chats and social media. Put it like this;
>bars should be banned instead of letting children in and only serve to make adults into drunk degenerates
No, ban the children from even being allowed in, just because they arent allowed to drink that doesnt mean its not a problem for them to be in that space, and punish the adults that go too far. Stop punishing everyone for things they didnt do.
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>>732262141
pathetic cope. Now do you
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>child safety laws written by pedophiles
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>>732262084
I never voted because I knew from the very start the political game was a sham. Every single member of the government is an active participant or blackmailed into compliance, and those who try to play hero either "tragically" kill themselves or are "suddenly" taken out by a "random" criminal or a convenient enemy.
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>>732262164
>video games are like bars
>ban all the kids from games so I play with my toys in peace
Tell me you're a millennial without telling me you're a millennial.
if anything, adults should be the ones to be banned from online games. No wonder you people seem to hate children. You climb into the ball pit and then complain about all the minors inside it.
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>>732262223
It's almost like Monarchy was a good thing and letting the fickle, naïve masses decide which liar to hand the Government to every handful of years was no less a mistake 250 years ago than it is today, or something...
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>>732261608
You know I was more or less in agreement with you there. "The Rules" are an explicitly bad thing because they're designed to be followed to the letter while still presenting plenty of opportunity for bad actors to get more access to children's lives than their own parents are allowed.
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Parental control systems have historically failed to catch on and come into general use because they frustrate adults, are obtuse to use, and don't even successfully prevent children from being put at risk.
A system that just shows parents what their kids are doing online, that can't be evaded because it's not running on a device the kid has physical or network access to, and that's easy to use would absolutely work. All it needs to do is log the URLs the client connects to, intercept messages in the form of text, and maybe take a few screenshots at randomized 5 to 15 minute intervals. Then present all that in an interface that's dead simple to use instead of an obtuse mess that requires technical knowledge to operate properly.
No commercial parental control system has ever managed all of that, because they're bullshit made as an afterthought, or they're made by puritans who try to give you something you can just set and forget.
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>>732262292
Unironically, yes. Stop punishing adults for having the freedom to eat McDonalds instead of apples just because some fat fuck eats too much McDonalds.
>>732262318
Shouldnt they just ban TV altogether then?
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>>732262408
That sounds just as hard to set up and a lot more work to maintain. The reason kids are being allowed online by parents despite the obvious risks is because they're lazy. You need to make something VERY easy for even a fraction of parents to take it up.
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>>732262084
>muh pedo global elite cabal is actually doing because
They want more of the minutia of social life under their control, as described in the great work of so-called "Enlightenment" literature, Leviathan.
>>732262397
>you're just changing the color of the boot you wind up licking
So the licking is involuntary, then. Takes a lot of the edge out of that little taunt, I'd say...
>The fickle masses never actually had a choice
Correct, because the Elite was never beholden to the whims of the plebs, no matter how much they push the "VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!" propaganda.
>the liars all party together on the same island
It's almost like liberalism was always a subversive lie devised by envious, Power-hungry faggots who wanted to push the responsibility of their Nero-esque despotism onto the masses, or something...
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Note how few posters want to even remotely engage with what actually matters.
Site's dead as fuck and primarily occupied by bots and third worlders, both only serving to simulate organic activity but ONLY in the ways they were assigned to.
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>>732261303
Had to go take a shit, here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vcbiaq/banned_for_profanit y_while_playing_on_a_private/
Looks like Microsoft did back off on it at any rate, it's still not a good thing that they tried this shit at all.
also what the fuck happened to this thread lmao
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>>732262662
>Note how few posters want to even remotely engage with what actually matters.
The public is an ass, yes. It's almost like most people aren't equipped for a discussion more important than what to put on in the morning, and should have their say as far away from decisions of statecraft as possible, or something...
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>>732256102
Another W for single player games
>>732256169
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>Lying Eric schizo poster has a stinky dumpy melty
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>>732258664
>everyone, everywhere, at the same time is rushing to normalize digital id
>th..this is...a..bout pwotecting da chwildwen
this is the same government that claims nobody is having kids anymore and that children basically no longer exist. you are a retarded npc if you believe this has anything to do with keeping kids safe.
they need you to have a digital id and they need you to embrace digital id systems so they can roll out a central bank backed digital currency system and other assorted goodies.
>>732259095
being online is normal at this point, hence the focus on this new standard you mindless automaton.
>>732260392
the entire internet is astroturfed with llm bots and third world shills paid to push these narratives. very few real people want this but most people dont have the time to care or do anything about it since they are too busy trying to make ends meet in an economy currently in an inflationary death spiral.
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>>732262318
You shouldnt be here either though. Youre making the argument everyone who wants to ban places like this make.
>They should be in work and having children to raise so they can be taxed. We cant benefit from taxes and fix society(put the money in politicans pockets) if there isnt more people. Government, I trust you, please fix everything, I dont want people to have free will anymore to make choices that dont benefit society and only benefit the individual.
You want NPCs.
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>THE GOYIM ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND AND STRAIGHT FORWARD 'FOOD' ANALOGIES.
>why not?
>THEY JUST ARENT OKAY. ANYTIME YOU SEE ONE, JUST BLOW THE WHISTLE.
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>Sign up for a phone plan
>add your kid onto it
>the sales goober asks if you want it to be a special kids' line
>The main account can pull up an app, log in, and read everything their kid is doing on their phone
>sign up for a home internet connection
>agree to rent your modem
>have the ISP mule set it up
>he asks if you want parental monitoring enabled on it.
>You go to a website and download a program that you log into and it connects to your modem automatically to pull down the record of what your kid has been doing on the network.
Could you do the latter yourself by connecting to the modem directly yourself by typing in its IP address and logging in? Yes. But that doesn't make any sense to a layman. It's scary, you could fuck something up.
But that extra layer of obfuscation is enough. And if you're not competent enough to do that, how are you using a computer at all in the first place?
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Im saying that in parallel to "they should ban adults from games" anon. If they should be banned from games they should be banned from movies, especially today.
I take more issue with the way people act around Star Wars and Disney than I do with any videogame.
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>>732262859
Because zoomers grew up and everyone realised they weren't going to get better.
>>732262865
Are you really trying to push this to post limit early just because you got caught lying like the piece of shit you are?
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>>732262859
The global cabal is making big moves now that they're playing their "here's how awful we are and how long we've been awful, you won't do shit about it" card via the Epstein Files in utter confidence that they've already won.
They're gearing us up for a performative WW3 by way of slowly disconnecting the world from itself, the same sense of performative as WW2 and WW1.
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>>732263001
Try again.
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>>732263040
>Using AI to fake a screenshot because of how mad you are at being caught lying
Back to R*ddit
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>>732262905
Burying the Epstein shit that was revealed where it turns out 4chan, or specifically pol, was set up to elect Trump so he could then support Isreal and a bunch of connected corporations. Not even a joke. moot was appraoched to make 4chan a device for propogating whatever interestes Epsteins clients wanted fulfilled, and it turns out Isreal was the biggest.
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>>732263164
Because fat cunts like you are worthless to society. If every single person that ate McDonald's turned into a fat cunt like every single kid that grows up on social media turns into a literal retard then McDonald's would already be banned.
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>Debunked
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>>732263270
All networks inn Europe report Epstin Island files as "KGB/FSB honeypot" and do not even mention Rothchilds.
>lefty networks cherrypick Trump in everything
>righty networks slalom to prove them wrong while avoiding the real problem
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>>732263336
Yes and kids aren't allowed here. What's your point/ Are you admitting to being underage?
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>>732263032
It would lump together visits to the same site, and identify when high-risk words were used in messaging. And keep track of every account that sends a message to the client. If your kid proves to you that's a friend from school, you can whitelist it. If it's some new account they've never interacted with before, or they're suddenly interacting with an unknown account a lot, it gets flagged as a risk. A parent wouldn't need to screen through everything, just to keep an eye on anything suspicious.
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>>732263417
You're just adding more work onto it. That's the opposite of what parents want and are willing to do.
>>732263425
No. Who's talking about banning sites? Kids got banned, they can still work around it but most don't, just like most don't come here.
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anything but holding parents and big tech companies accountable I guess...
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>>732257584
literally this
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>>732263513
It's not much work to open a program or phone app once a week and scroll through a short list of websites and chat contacts. Even when the kid's not in danger, it has the benefit of letting parents keep track of what their kids are doing and how long they're doing it for.
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>>732263270
>4chan was turned into a far-right psyop
Funny you say that when there are still so few Monarchists here. Let me guess, Jewish sodomites and autogynephile podcasters can join the "far right" in your eyes, can't they?
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>>732263859
>You got your political views from a jewish pedophile
No, I don't. You might, but I certainly don't.
>You are one of the most psyopped people on earth
No, I'm not a liberal, so-called "classical" or otherwise.
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>>732263513
>worthless to society
>should be banned
Your words. What contribution to society does 4chan have, and again, since theres no age verification, children can access this site easier than porn sites and has porn on it, the kind of porn that isnt allowed elsewhere even, adults should also not be here either.
So again, if your argument is that adults should only be allowed to indulge things that make them "worthless to society" in some cases, why would 4chan be spared. This argumen is just "adults shouldnt have free will they should only indulge what the government allows them access to". Free will is a bitch isnt it anon, it would be so much better if everything bad was just removed and you were only allowed to indulge whatever you were told to by politicians. You trust the government to have your best intrest at heart right? We should let them just decide what adults should be allowed to do?
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>>732256102
Cope nigger, it's your damn fault anyway kek
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>>732263828
by that logic we should also ban schools because they might have bad lessons, ban books because they might have bad words, ban kids going outside because they might see something bad
you teach people how to deal with things, you don't coddle them.
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>>732263896
>How is asking for id censoring you?
everything is tied to your ID
your information will get leaked
your information will be sold to advertisers and data brokers
you'll get deplatformed and debanked for wrongthink
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>kid tries logging in
>gets age verified
>child's IP location gets filed and can be easily tracked
isn't this even worse? having a database of verifiied adults means you also have a database of verified children, right?
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>>732263276
Read the reply chain. In summary;
>if something like- in this instance-mcdonalds makes people fat and worthless to society it should be banned, it doesnt matter if people dont gorge on it, the fact that people can is why it is bad. Adults shouldnt play videogames, its worthless to society. Things should be banned based on their lack of value to society
my argument
>an adult choosing to do something worthless for society does not mean it should be banned. I do not want NPCs who are only allowed to indulge what is ok based on government approval like weither its banned or not. Children are not adults, they should not and cannot make concious decisions like adults. If you told them they could eat ice cream for every meal they will do it, and an adult will be the one that has to give it to them, as an adult, you know you shouldnt do this so you dont, and just because some fat fuck does do this it doesnt mean ice cream should be banned for adults
Free will means you get to make the choice to be a fuck up, if you dont like that dont do it, if you dont like that others do it, point and laugh at them, dont fucking ban it for everyone reasonable. Children cannot reason and interact with the world like adults, they should not be on the internet where they can say they are 20 and are 12 so they can start having chats with 40 year olds who were arrest for diddling kids and is currently being educated by a pervert on how to jerk off
Again, 4chan is worthless to society and is full of terrible adults, but it should not be banned, children should not be on the internet because they are smooth brained retards and will always find access to places like this, that does not mean the site should be banned it means children shouldnt have the internet. Stop banning shit because of children or "worthless".
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>>732264764
You expect me to read paragraph of your bullshit when you couldn't even read the second sentence of a 2-sentence post? Try again: >>732263276
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I agree, we all know cigarettes, alcohol, gambling and porn are bad for people but we don't ban those, we teach kids "hey this shit can fuck you up if you do it" the internet and social media/chat/gaming should be treated the same
you don't want your kid to smoke? you don't buy them cigs, you don't want your kid terminally online? don't buy them a phone, it's not rocket science.
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>>732265068
You keep responding lying faggot
You are utterly mind broken
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>>732265605
It's also possible that a child is keeping secrets from you as a parent, but that's normal. People keep secrets. As a teen I got up to plenty of shit on the internet that my parents wouldn't have approved of and I don't regret it one bit. It was helpful in letting me become my own person rather than being a clone of my parents. What I've learned as an adult is that many parents out there seem to want exactly that, for their child to their younger clone, it's extremely narcissistic.