it's clear they have no idea what they are doing. not even worth pirating

As long as that ugly nigger bitch is in the game it's dead

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lol

>>732257967
You mean Harriet Tubman, the islamic queen of France?

The fact that devs even caved in and are now working on a classic mode when in this day and age 90% of developers are female, transgender or brown neoliberal retards means Firaxis was forced to do it to avoid the chopping block.

>>732258014
God please let it fall below IV it'd be so fucking funny

>>732257858
No.
Datamining launcher.

>>732258464
The only reason this will never happen is because Civ5 exists and it basically does everything Civ 1-4 did but better.

>>732257858
I played that series for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours from II through V. Good GOD how could they drop the ball on VI and VII so badly?

dead series. shame

Forced civilization switching is like forced diversity.

>>732258673
seconded. I know the IV fans will have a fit if they hear this... but V was the pinnacle of the series. (I can understand if someone liked IV better, but V was the last good installment).

>>732258676
Civ6 was abysmal at start but after 2 expansions and with people getting used to districts it's actually fun and offers way more strategy and variety than previous games.

>>732258742
I couldn't get over the unit movement. The rest of the series would "round up" on unit movement, but VI would round down. Felt like they tied one hand behind your back for no reason. Drove me up a wall.

>>732258673
civ 5 does everything so much worse than 4 I want to punch you for saying that. the only thing civ 5 does better is use more than one core of your CPU.

>>732258741
>play world map mode
>no set starting locations
>cant share a scenario online
its dogshit and anyone who legitimately thinks this crap is good does nothing but steamroll shit with mods all day.

>>732258676
what's the best one? I've only played Civ V and Revolution.

>>732257858
There's no saving it. Just move on to Civ 8 and try not to fuck it up again.

>>732257956
You can't pirate it tho

>>732258742
When I play with friend, we use some mod to show on the map the "+3 science" on each title, otherwise this would take too much time if everyone need to calculate which title is the best for which distri

>>732258673
>/v/ is finally old enough to openly state that CIV 5 was god tier
BASED
Now I don't have to feel like a faggot anymore

>>732257858
No cause even with the changes 7 will still be worse than 4-6

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2 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 3 > Beyond Earth > 7
Never played 1, Alpha Centari, and whatever else I forgot to mention.

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>>732259519
Just finished another run. It's called Civilization /v/ for a reason.

>>732257858
>Will this be enough to win back the fans?
Tell your handler that I rejected it.
I am the only one that matters because I am the only civ fan left on this entire board.

>>732258014
>beyond earth higher peak than VII

>>732264185
Yes anon, civilizations rise, fall and are substituted by others, that's how it's always been. It will happen to the US too.

>>732257858
I remember back in civ 5 the quotes from the discoveries would be the most profound shit from humanities greatest geniuses. Like:

Agriculture
"Where tillage begins, other arts follow. The farmers therefore are the founders of human civilization."
--Daniel Webster

Animal Husbandry
"Thou salt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn."
--The Bible, Deuteronomy, 25:4

Biology
"If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't."
--Lyall Watson

Then for the later games it’s some obvious statement from some bitch.

Barrier Reef
“Organisms don't think of CO2 as a poison. Plants and organisms that make shells, coral, think of it as a building block.”
– Janine Benyus

“I don’t believe in astrology; I’m a Sagittarius and we’re skeptical.”
– Arthur C. Clarke

“I thought clay must feel happy in the good potter’s hand.”
– Janet Fitch

>>732264773
Crazy ball drop I think, people really liked V and they were doing a spiritual sequel to Alpha Centurai while everyone was interested.

>>732257858
>the normal game that people expected is a mode added as an afterthought and only after backlash
Fuck this game

>>732257858
Too late, assholes.
You let the mask slip and I will never forget your true, ugly visage.
DIAF.

>>732257858
If we had to distil all of the best features of all the civ games, what would it look like? Don't include anything aesthetic/graphics, since that's subjective. Talking gameplay.

>>732268397
Well, 'good' aspects of gameplay are subjective too, so... go play them all, and curate the list yourself I guess is the only answer.

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>>732257858
To late, still playing Civ 5.

>>732258014
I liked 6 until they started adding fat black people and stuff.
Fatness should not be tolerated or glorified.

What mods do you guys use for 5?
Also, anyone know if the visuals of 5 can be enhanced? I seem to remember seeing that the leader scenes can't be edited, and wondering if everything else falls under that category too.
I like the visuals of the 6 tiles better than the 5 tiles, even though in almost all other aspects 5 is superior.
I also like the workers having charges in 6, but that's controversial apparently.

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>>732257858
Why even make a huge change to how Civ plays in the first place? And if you are going to do that why not make it a spin off and not one of the mainline numbered games?

>>732265627
Other than the choice in leaders, this is one of the most obvious downgrades going from instalment to instalment.
The fact that they are picking stupid or joke quotes shows how superficial an understanding of what the game is representing the new designers have.

>>732258516
>LE MUH DATA
let me guess, you have a smartphone

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We could've had a whole juicy expansion out by now, but instead they've decided to strip away everything unique about the game to placate the non-fans who would never play a Civ game anyway until the only leader you're allowed to select is Adolf Hitler

And once Civ 7 is still a flop we'll have eternal proof that you were all wrong all along in trying to "fix" what was never broken

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Buganda!

>>732268836
Should have just made a normal civ game instead.

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>>732268809
>someone is fucking you in the ass already so you might as well let everyone else do it at will
how about make a good game instead of selling people's data?

>>732268616
>>732269058
What do you want, a V remaster? I don't like

>>732269274
old world made civ obsolete anyway

>>732268836
Look at the numbers >>732258014 , they need to appeal to the actual playerbase of Civ or there might not ever be a 8th entry.

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>>732257858

Is it better than Call to Power? Otherwise no.

>>732269427
>appeal to the actual playerbase of Civ
It's an impossible task when they still have people who will never move on from IV.

>>732268836
>And once Civ 7 is still a flop we'll have eternal proof that you were all wrong all along in trying to "fix" what was never broken
It wont recover regardless of what they do, they strayed too far from the formula that people expect.

>>732268836
>don't include England on release
>drastically change the formula to align with an entirely different franchise
>continue on with 'woke' ideology pushing
>actual fans complain, then go back to 5 or 6 (which don't have Hitler)
>YOU'RE JUST A TOURIST THAT WANTS TO BE HITLER ALL DAY
You faggots can never, ever argue from genuine positions, can you?

>>732265627
>“I don’t believe in astrology; I’m a Sagittarius and we’re skeptical.”
>– Arthur C. Clarke
Wasn't that Einstein's quote?

>>732268584
I don't.
>What about Enhanced UI?
Too much unnecessary information, it's only meant for autistics.
>What about Community Balance Patch?
It's not a "patch", it's a mod built by deity autistics for deity autistics.
>What about Vox Populi?
The surest sign of autism is adding more and more content to a Civ game after over a decade until it starts to look and play more like Sim City.

I'm not saying Civ V is perfect, but what I am saying is that any of the most popular mods civfanatics promotes are dogshit. Just go to the Workshop and download civs and maps that look fun to play, and leave it at that.

>>732268836
We absolutely could not have had an expansion by now, those generally come like two years after the main title's launch, it hasn't even been one yet

>>732269845
Didn't they spend the first 6 months scrambling to fix bugs too?

>>732258054
Come on that shit is funny though.

>>732270020
Yes. They also launched the game with a UI that made it impossible to click buttons with certain menus open, and those menus couldn't be closed with making a selection, creating soft locks.

>>732268584
>Default Manual Specialist Control On
>Expanded City Names
>Global - Random City Names
>Guaranteed Prophets
>Ingame Editor
>Modified Fountain of Youth
>Modified Heroic Epic
>Really Advanced Setup
>Reforestation
>SlowFast (changes Quick mode to have huge research times and culture costs, but Quick speed production)
>Triplane Interception
>UI - Map Pins
>Workable Mountains
>Zero Unit Maintenance
I made most of the mods I use - I think IGE, RAS, UI Pins and Reforestation are the only ones I didn't make.
As >>732269759 said, some of the popular ones are just too much. Enhanced UI in particular was just not for me at all, and it's crazy how many people seem to swear by it.

>>732257858
>“We got feedback in some of our focus testing before the game shipped that there was going to be some level of controversy here, but we didn’t realize quite how strongly players identified with the idea of, ‘I need to take some people and grow them and have that specific civilization cultural set be what’s growing to face the challenges of world history,’” he added.

So someone warned them and they just ignored it

>>732257858
I'll stick with 6, thanks

>>732270259
>So someone warned them and they just ignored it
Majority of the entertainment industry at the moment.

>>732268584
Canals
Faster Aircraft Animations
Infoaddict
Ingame Editor
Quick Turns
Really Advanced Setup
Reforestation
Smart AI

They could have afforded either a gameplay fuck up or the propaganda bullshit of garbage like memeit literallywhoman, not both

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>>732257858
Still not buying because they had the gall to put in Harriet fucking Tubman, go fuck yourself Firaxis, hope you all lose your jobs, I will be here to laugh at you when it happens.

>>732270259
>>732270561
To be absolutely, 100% honest, MOST play testers for video games are massive retards. Since I don't want to call this dev team actively hostile to the entire audience because that's a really bold claim, one can presume that they thought these testers were also retards.

However, because the 4x genre is big brained, and is known to be played by big brained people, the dev team ignoring big brained testers is small brained to the point of conspiratorial.

>>732270259
>but we didn’t realize quite how strongly players identified with the idea of, ‘I need to take some people and grow them and have that specific civilization cultural set be what’s growing to face the challenges of world history,’
Is there ever going to be more proof that the people that made the other (better) games are no longer involved with the series, and that these faggots are just as clueless as the shareholders whose money they're chasing?

>>732270651
Based.
They fucked up too hard on release.
I'll never touch it.

>>732258673
Same thing with 6 being objectively superior to 5 in every way except leader screen art style.

>>732258673
Nah. Civ V is completely different from 4.
4 is more sandboxy with some Paradox stuff mixed in, 5 is much more boardgamey and less like a simulation. I wont claim 4 is better but please dont say they are similar

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>>732258673
>Civ5
literally inferior to civ4, u cant even zoom out to see globe

>>732270717
>Since I don't want to call this dev team actively hostile to the entire audience because that's a really bold claim
How would that be a bold claim? It's been the prevailing sentiment in the industry for over a decade now. I don't recall civ devs ever being openly hostile, but that could just be a PR decision. Considering what the average dev is like today, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were seething woke fags that resented their audience. I pretty much just assume that of everyone unless proven otherwise (which is why I almost never financially compensate them and rip them off whenever and however I can).

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>>732270996
I like the leader art style. I recognize and acknowledge that I'm in the minority (potentially a minority of size 1). It just gets me though. Especially Cleopatra.
I would have been ALL OVER the Korean Civ MMO if I had known about it before it was shut down (picrel).

>>732271103
Also baba yetu and leonard nimoy

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>>732271016
How can Civ 4 be more akin to a simulation when doomstacks exist?

>>732271103
That's cool.

>>732271103
Ok yeah I've never played 4 but that is really cool

>>732268836
>And once Civ 7 is still a flop we'll have eternal proof that you were all wrong all along in trying to "fix" what was never broken
you mean the devs? they raped civ's 35 year winning formula for no reason, civ 6 performed perfectly fine

>>732271427
It's kinda nutty how 4, 5, and 6 were Goldilocks for three different kinds of players without any of them feeling like a betrayal of what Civ is.

>>732271378
>>732271381
to be fair its with blue marble texture mod everyone uses, default one is not this pretty.

>>732271378
Because doom stacks exist in real life nigger

>>732271378
Doomstacks are more like how irl armies move especially for all warfare prior to the 21st century

>>732257858
It's still too woke to be enjoyable.

>>732271543
>>732271564
Oh, you think of "doomstacks" as "mixed unit tactics" and not a bunch of spearmen sitting on each other's shoulders.

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>>732268584
Get EUI but install the original version from like 2016, not the newer ones. The original version pretty much just cleans up the UI, the newer ones just replace the old clutter with new clutter and fill the game with asinine "play the game for me" buttons.

>>732257858
Nope, I'm done with Civ. Sticking to II and IV.

>>732257858
>win critics back
Weird, I much prefer the "critics = bigots" approach. Better material overall.

>>732271783
>that image
kek
>that post
who are you quoting?

the real fans: >>732258014

>>732271928
Absolutely. I like to know where I stand with people. I don't want to give money to people that hate me.
Such a strange world where people WANT to be lied to.

>>732271630
Partially that but it's also a bunch of spearmen. A single unit of spearmen is not an army it's a single unit. There can be a limit to how many units can be stacked, maybe 10 or something, but only being able to have one unit on each tile is trash.
Not to mention the fact that the game AI is still too retarded for 1UPT

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>>732258014
>people actually play beyond earth

>>732271630
>mixed unit tactics
thats how civ4 stacks work, spear men stack would get ass fucked by axe men, good promotion mix is important too, you need to educate yourself on how stack combat in civ4 works before you parrot reddit opinions about doom stacks.

>>732272129
You're correct about the AI, I've been using AI mods for Civ V for so long that it's clouding my judgment.

6 is good. All it needs is better AI. The devs would literally have made more money by hiring 1 white or east asian guy to code better AI for Civ 6 and selling it as a $10 expansion pack than hiring 1000 jeets to make Civ 7.

>>732272129
You're honestly just kind of retarded anon. One unit is not one spearman in any civ game. The graphic has always shown more than one. In the modern games where you can't stack them you would have to be retarded to not understand tha tthe single unit is an abstraction of a UNIT of spearMEN, as in, MORE THAN ONE. You even see the group get smaller in 5 and 6 as they lose HP. The devs can't fix that your retarded man. This actually makes stacking units make even less sense when you consider it.

>>732268836
>placate the non-fans who would never play a Civ game anyway until the only leader you're allowed to select is Adolf Hitler
Fucking George Washington and Queen Elizabeth is too much to ask from these retarded devs now, they won't even placate the people who expect the bare minimum.

>>732272376
Not including civs from the VERY FIRST FUCKING GAME in the LAUNCH is too egregious to be considered an accident or an oversight.

>>732272315
Holy fucking shit, I didn't say a unit was a single spearman I said it wasn't a max size army that should take up an entire tile

>>732272292
>All it needs is better AI
so its missing only the most important part of 4x game which btw is never going to get fixed cause firaxis never released dll source like in previous games

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>Classic
oh cool so they are removing joke additions that were never rulers?
oh cool they are removing the retarded unit stacking?
oh cool they are making naps bigger so I don't have to settle next to everyone?
oh cool so I can have of my complexity back from 6 with districts?
oh...

>>732272315
Tell that to Alexander the Great. He was able to stack multiple units of spearmen, archers and horsemen into the same tile and still have space to manuever his army.
Your logic implies that there are massive blobs of 100k archers walking around until they meet 100k horsemen and get crushed.

>>732257858
>A year after launch they're finally about to add a "feature" that every previous game had and which should have been there from the start

Look, I'm gonna need something more than a tiny concession to rationality done begrudgingly and way too late. I need some kind of reason to think that this Civilization is better than any previous one and you're not even close to providing that.

>>732272376
Until someone is major is fired, I doubt the current leadership will allow George Washington because that is admitting they were wrong for putting the nigress Tubman in the game.

>>732257858
I don't understand how they could look at Humanflop and think "we should copy that!"

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fix this shit and i might consider buying your shit in 5 years, on sale for 90% off

>>732272947
lel is that real?

>>732272996
Yes. It was spammed on /v/ for a week.

>>732272996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZx9XHdD5m4

>>732272315
One tile was never supposed to be a small patch of land too. It was supposed to cover a large area with hundreds of square meters. This is why the sprawling cities introduced in civ 6 make NO sense in terms of civ rules.

>>732273042
>>732273071
LMFAO
At this point I refuse to believe Firaxis isn't full of "people" that absolutely hate the userbase that made them successful.
Holy shit.

>>732269634

It's almost like their design paradigm of changing one third of the game in every installment is a really fucking bad idea.

Civilization 1 was already 95% perfect. They got it almost right on the first try. Civ 2 upgraded that to 98%. After that making any kind of sweeping changes is foolish, you should do tiny, carefully calculated tweaks only. When you're near perfection you don't reach the goal by walking wildly off course.

>>732273225
>hundreds of square meters

You mean KILOmeters. Every single hex in Civilization is meant to be like 100 miles across. You can fit an army of any conceivable size in one hex, realistically speaking. All the armies of the real world could sit inside one single civ hex.

>>732257858
Too woke. I mean it. I have a limit on how much woke I can endure in a game. This one passed all the limits.

>>732258014
VI shouldn't be that popular either. It's also shit. V was the last good one. IV was awesome.

>>732257858
It was DOA for me when all the promo footage showed a powerful stronk black wxman repeatedly defeating and humbling a sissy white boy (Alexander iirc).
It set the tone, and went downhill from there.
V is good enough.

>>732272182
It's just a massive reskin for Civ V trying to be AC

>>732269749
Einstein was a fucking jew and a fraud. Like that paralytic pedophile of Stephen Hawking

>>732257858
Won't change shit.

>>732257858
Did they give burgers a literate leader yet?

>>732257858
>Civ 7 is finally adding a classic mode
no it isn't. they call it "anachronistic" mode or some shit. you still have 3 ages. you still have wars and such grind to a halt twice in a game. you will just have the option of not switching to a new civ.

this means no additional civ-specific bonuses or units for you, staying as the same civ is going to be a handicap. and when people complain this is STILL some jacked-up Humankind-copying bullshit, they'll feign ignorance and cry "but we gave you what you wanted!" before eventually selling an actual classic mode in some DLC pack mid 2027

>>732273242
Pretty much every major studio is full of people like that. Only place you'll find people who don't hate their audience is indie devs.

Don't give these people your money.

>>732258673
>"7 won't fall below 4's playercount because 5 is better than 1-4"
>six replies to this post and not one of them calling out the complete lack of logic
i hate other people so much

>>732257858
it still has era switching and playing as one civilization all the way through is obviously going to be an afterthought
so no, I'm not willing to blindly give the game a chance when it still has plenty of things I dislike in a game, let alone a civ game

>>732270259
>we didn't realize the entire appeal of the game and we didn't listen when everyone told us what it was
This world would be a lot better if more people who fuck up like this got publicly flogged

>>732273709
Civ5 was kinda shit before it got expansions, and BE doesn't take advantage of those fixes and enhancements.

>>732265627
in 6 you'll get a steven wright joke in the same turn as some philosiphical comment on a world wonder and i HATE it

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>>732257858
I haven't followed since launch, did they ever even fix the totally fucked map generation?

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y'all should do what I did and play Old World until this game is actually good. Old World is excellent and designed by the guy who did Civ 4.

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So uh where is the expansion? It's about time. I'm not gonna pay 30 bucks for three civs.

>>732274103
they actually did overhaul map generation

>>732273826
>people who don't hate their audience is indie devs.
Based on the amount of gay pixel depression games I highly doubt it

>>732274202
>based on (strawman)
Ok.

>>732273071
>0 dislike
>wait, that can't be right. Let's refr-
>number updates to 15k
That's more like it.

>be firaxis
>midnight suns gigaflopped
>fuck fuck fuck all our eggs were in that basket
>make civ 7 to try and get money back
>0 funds after going all in on capeshit
>pozz the fuck out of civ 7 so DEI scores let them get a decent loan
>no clue wtf is going on with the 4x genre
>decide to copy amplitude's humankind which everyone hated
>no budget for advertising so add in hariett tubman to try and stoke the internet hate for purchases
>release an alpha build and charge full price for it
>it flops + everyone hates it
rip firaxis

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>>732268836
>non-fans want to play as hitler and not harriet tubman this is why we had to fuck up your civilization standing the test of time

>>732274335
this is by far the most plausible explanation as to what the fuck happened with this release

>>732274202
Some indie devs hate their audience, but what I'm saying is that's the only place you'll find people who don't. All the mainstream studios hate their audience as a rule.

>>732273536
VI is the most fun civ to actually play.
>t. someone who started with 1, skipped 2-3-4 straight to 5 and then 6
Also Colonization was more fun than Civilization.

>>732270259
>we didn’t realize quite how strongly players identified with the idea of building a civilization that stands the test of time
unreal because they still use that phrase in 6 when you conquer a civ with military. i could see them avoiding that catchphrase if it hadn't been used for a couple games but it was right there in the last game as part of your reward for taking egypt's last city

>>732258014
>beyond earth has players in the year of our lord 2026
Does it have a cool ass niche modding scene or sth?

>>732258673
Civ 4 was vastly superior.

>better combat triangle
>aerial units are more balanced
>better policy tree that isnt "choose wide or tall"
>better diplomacy
>government type matters more
>AI behave more realistically in diplomacy
>no free gold exploits where the AI trades like retards
>religions matter more for diplomacy
>world congress is religion based until united nations
>AI was actually functional
>naval invasions were actually a serious threat
>they finally figured out how to balance stacks (bombard)
>Leroy nemon
>limited DEI leaders
>global view
>map layers for culture, religion, ect
>again, AI that is not utter dog shit, this is big

6 was where they actually made improvements. 5 felt like a beta test. I still prefer 4 out of all of them. 3 was ok but really broken.

>>732274468
Played VI, didn't like it, went back to V.

>>732270717
because "hey this part really sucks and could use some work" gets you fired while a dopey "yes i like the vidya gam" is the kind of testing they want

playtesting is now a way to test if even one player is braindead enough to gobble up your trash.

>>732257858
Wish you could romance other leaders and form permanent alliances and/or capture and use them as a concubine.

>>732272182
It's fun to play sometimes

>>732274582
Goon somewhere else, chud.

>>732274582
go get cucked in crusader kings you fucking faggot

Hijacking this thread to ask how good is EL2?

>>732270651
Honestly, that's the kind of thing I would have accepted for an April Fools or dlc where they add a bunch of new "leaders" that are well known historical figures that wouldn't remotely fit as a world leader.

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>>732258673
>Civ5 exists and it basically does everything Civ 1-4 did but better.
I don't even understand how you could possibly think that, Civ 5 is a pretty radical departure from the previous games in a number of ways. Like it doesn't feel fucking anything like Civ IV at all let alone I - III. Social policies are locked in instead of being flexible government types, the game places on emphasis on only having a small core number of cities until later in the game, roads cost maintenance, the victory conditions are completely reworked, 1UPT combat, player-directed instead of automated trade routes, I could go on.

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>>732271216
dogshit, not that Montezuma in the official games is any less inaccurate

>>732268836
Anon civ switching is bad, if anything it fucks over Indigenous Prehispanic civs the most since it forces them to get colonized

>>732274628
Fuck you nigger it's shit like your pathetic life get out of here

i skipped 4 because i had hundreds of hours in 3 and didn't need another civ game. got 5 on sale when it's first expac dropped and played that for hundreds of hours. got 6 on sale when 7 was clearly garbage.

i am actually a little upset i've never really played 4

>>732274528
Yeah honestly that is fair, I think they're mechanically largely different games loosely united under the same overall goal.
I like the district adjacency planning in VI and I also like some of the really gimmicky civs (V also had gimmicky civs like Venice but I feel like VI commits to the gimmicks more like with Babylon, Maori or Portugal)

>>732274562
It was a focus test, not a play test. They just round people up off the street for focus tests, they'll say whatever the hell they want and not give a shit.

>>732274335
you're forgetting the actual reason it flopped
every decision made was done so to increase the number of microtransactions they could squeeze out of people
that's the entire reason you have civ switching and leaders uncoupled from civilizations and why it has (had?) that retarded grinding level up system, like who tf plays the same leader in civ enough to get them to level 50

>>732273938
@grok is this true

>>732274721
I personally found the district mechanic unnecessary complicated and too formulatic. You end up doing the same cookie-cutter builds over and over again. There is literally no reason why we can't manage that stuff as a single city.

>>732274690
Everything you've listed is an improvement over the absolute clusterfuck that is 4's gameplay. Every decision in 5 was made with the mindset that 4, at its core, was totally fucked up because comp sweaties weren't playing with the spirit of the game in mind.

>>732258397
Well I hope they are put on the block anyway. Even in the age of worthless retarded video games firaxis still managed to stand out with their retardation.
Dumb cunts

>>732274729
I legitimately forgot about the terrible monetization. Adds evidence to Firaxis being strapped for cash.

>>732274758
eras are a core mechanic around which the entire game is based, they can't get rid of that unless they do a Stellaris level overhaul where they update the game to such a radical degree you're left with what's functionally a sequel

>>732258673
There's no way you played Civs 1 - 4 if you think 5 has all of their features and improved upon them.

>>732257858
remember when games were just good and devs didn't need to do this?

>>732270101
It's not its meant to humiliate White people

>>732274509
Also you could fucking trade along rivers like a real fucking civilization. What were they thinking???

>>732274721
>Maori
These were never a civilization. They had, and were, nothing.

>>732274842
I was pointing out that Civ 5 was a radical departure, not that it was necessarily any better or worse. Your post in a complete non-reply to what I'm addressing, which is to say that 5 doesn't feel like any of the previous games and suggesting it does is bizarre. Is it an improvement? Maybe, maybe not, that's not even what I'm talking about.

>>732274729
Nope, not at all. If they had like George Washington or anyone else for America, I might have got it. But Tubman was a flag that this game is now woke, and then you couldn't even stay as the same civ. Because of those I didn't even buy it so the microtransactions were never even given a chance.

>>732274721
Nigger did you just called Babylon a meme civilization? Fucking Babylon!?

>>732274860
even all the woke stuff was secondary to the monetization because the suits at the top figured that the civilization fanbase was highly loyal since humankind flopped, so they could include the woke things to increase the number of players by drawing in non-civ players

except it backfired on them in the most spectacular way when they realized far too late that not only does the typical gamer not like 4x gameplay and their attempts at breaking into a new audience failed, but at the same time the civilization fanbase has absolutely 0 issues with simply continuing to play the games they already own

>>732269274
Too bad nigga go woke go broke no crying in the casino

>>732273071
I'm always extremely impressed any time a video like this doesn't have comments disabled

>>732275025
I'm talking gimmicky mechanically and Babylon is a hyper-gimmicky civ in 6 in a very fun way.

>>732275019
USA also has Benjamin Franklin though
really the core issue with 7 isn't the woke, even if it is a major issue, the core issue with 7 is that it's designed from the ground up to be a vehicle for DLC and microtransactions and the woke is but a symptom of that

the people in charge of making 7 the way it is aren't woke themselves, they're simply soulless corporate suits who believe that woke was easy money

>>732273071
>>732275079
>On her way to stage a mostly peaceful protest in China, Persia and Baghdad.
KEK

>>732275038
When will they learn that most grand strategy fans are right wing? (Or tankies but they hate woke shit too).

>>732275019
I don't give a fuck about woke culture wars bullshit and even I think Tubman was an awful choice. If you're playing as America there are probably a few presidents that will satisfy most people as choices; Washington, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and FDR for WWII RP. You could probably get away with Jefferson or Adams in place of some of them, but Tubman? Even Benjamin Franklin, the other choice, feels kind of dumb since he was never president.

>>732275197
there's plenty of leftwing civ players, in fact I'd gladly describe myself as leftwing
I just value historical significance quite a lot and civ 7 managed to piss me off with it's leader choices by including people with no significance what so ever as leaders

The worst one for me isn't even Tubman, it's Lovelace, and that's the one that genuinely pisses me off because there was just absolutely no reason for it, if you wanted a female english or british leader there were tons of great options for it, queen Victoria has a whole god damn era of human history named after her

but instead you go with a d-list figure who isn't even the most famous brit in her own narrow category, because that would be Alan Turing

>>732275295
>Jefferson or Adams as the choices
>Jefferson provides bonuses to agricultural and forest resources with Adams is focused on cities and industrialization
The kino we were denied...

>>732275295
It's crazy to do a deep dive on Harriett Tubman and learn that literally everything you know about this supposed real person is actually fabricated and it's possible that she isn't a real person at all.

Only thing I don't like about Civ 5 is that the bonuses you get from unique units don't propagate to future units.
Example; American infantry after Minutemen don't get the 'ignore terrain' ability. Sucks that you only have a specific window to get that bonus (for free) before the civ 'forgets' how to train it anymore.

>>732275395
That's why I added tankies and how they (you) dislike woke shit messing with history accuracy too.

>>732275197
It's kind of funny because I would say it's for people that don't hate their own culture and also like other people's culture. Like what if Rome lasted to the modern age? Or what if Japan didn't lose WW2. But yeah the left is so far left that if you don't want to destroy everyone's culture then you are now right wing.

>>732275468
Civ 5 also introduces some really bad timing for certain unique units that basically render the obsolete almost immediately.

>>732275395
>I just value historical significance quite a lot
You're actually a chud and right wing because of this (alt-right, actually). Sorry, but that's how it is.
Toe the line, or you're out.

>>732275395
post gamergate, choice of civs and leaders in civilization became political. hence nonsense like harriett tubman and ada lovelace. This isn't even about gender - Civ 2 had one male and one female for each civ. But they need to tell a narrative and part of that narrative is that ada lovelace and harriett tubman are great people for their civilization, because of feminism or blacks or whatever. The values of the culture are different, Victoria is in fact not as important as Ada Lovelace in this modern culture.

https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Leaders_(Civ2)

>>732275474
nah, very much hate tankies, bunch of delusional authoritarian bootlickers who are so hypocritical they'd support China over a western democracy

there's nuance in everything,

>>732275395
Sorry bwo but you aren't towing the line properly youre a chud

>>732257858
They should have abandoned 7 right after launch and moved on to make 8 and making it a remake of 5 with some good changes

>>732275630
Alright, Anon. You are nuanced and special. Most aren't. Also, you aren't left wing. You failed too many purity tests in your posts. I'm sorry, but now you are a nazi. Don't blame me. I don't make the rules.

>>732275546
and at the same time it has some unique units that are so ridiculously well timed and powerful if rushed they let you dominate the game

ship of the line is feared for a very good reason after all, if england rushes it (who are we kidding here, every england player rushes it) they automatically win the water for the next 100+ turns because the first ship that can believably combat them is the ironclad and then only on defense, they don't stop being obsolete until battleships

they're so dominant on water than in more competitive games people will just flat out not settle on the coast if there's an england player

>>732275406
in 200years americans will be learning about George Floyd as a saint figure.

>>732275468
Some do, some don't

I know the Celtic unit loses their faith on kill perk but they keep their free pillaging perk, which is completely troll-tier if you manage to keep some long enough to upgrade them into helicopters.

>>732271103
giant stacks of death single-handedly make 4 shit compared to any civ that came after

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There's a correct answer.

>>732276472
>>732275468
one of the most fun ones is the maori warrior for this, since their debuff stays with upgrades so if you keep a couple of them alive you can basically inflict perma -10% strength on all enemies throughout the entire game

>>732276472
Oh, no, I meant that units you produce after the unique unit is obsoleted don't also get the bonus. eg. Minutemen that you promote to riflemen retain their terrain bonus, but riflemen that you freshly produce don't have that free bonus.
I just think it's lame that the unique bonuses don't propagate throughout the ages.

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Now all ye marketers of /v/, riddle me this
>I am making FIFA. I have entirely taken over market niche in (football games). Everyone who wants a game in my niche wants my game.
>As for next installment of FIFA, instead of doing earlier game but better, I´m gonna make FIFA with new rules: now the central gameplay mechanic (chasing after football with large goalposts) is swapped into something brave and new (chasing after low-friction puck with small goalposts).
Will I drive away customers who want new FIFA? Will the loss of players be compensated with players who want ice hockey, or will they instead play the #1 game in their already-established niche that has improved upon the game of their niche hard for past 10 years (NFL)?

This is my issue with Civ7. We wanted Civ6 but better. Instead we got not-civ-6-but-better, but At-its-core-not-Civ-game. Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to drive away your core market?

>>732276872
part of the issue is that this would make civilizations which have early game units even stronger than they already are and shit even harder on civilizations with lategame bonuses

>>732258014
I'll never make sense of BE's all time peak beating 7, even with 7's poor reception. Was there some free weekend I'm not aware of? Is it because 7 was a multiplatform release, are Civ fans secretly all consoletards? How the fuck did this happen?

>>732276660
>continents
What's the point? Once you conquer your own continent it's game over

>>732257858
They need to remove the wokeslop and formally apologize. Maybe chuds like me would give it a shot then.

>>732277019
What's the point of any map? Once you conquer your first neighbor you'll start snowballing anyways.

>>732277086
That's why small pangea is the superior choice.

>>732276960
yes Beyond Earth had a free weekend or two.

It wasn't such a bad game, it was a reskin of Civ 5 when people expected Alpha Centauri 2. If you take it as what it was, it was pretty cool.

>>732276919
Well, I think the key component you're missing is the modern audience. What you're doing is correct - the current audience is dwindling and you need to bring in new blood; this is where the modern audience steps in.
Just remember, the modern audience has different, more refined and civilized sensibilities that you have to cater to. I trust that you'll be able to accommodate their tastes. Don't worry about the previous crowd - they're captured and will buy anything you make because of brand recognition. In fact, you should probably ridicule them - this is something the modern audience appreciates, because the modern audience is replacing the old guard "gamers" and views them with scorn - so you'll actually be currying favor with your newer, more socially awake, modern audience.
You're on the right path, comrade. Keep up the good work and it'll pay off (perhaps not monetarily, but the message will be sent at all costs).

>>732277019
theres a small chance that once you cross the ocean you discover a snowballed alexander who conquered his continent and is permanently allied with 2/3rds of the city states (he also is in control of the world congress)

>>732265627
I fooled you, I fooled you, I got pig iron, I got pig iron, I got all pig iron

>>732276960
>>732277195
It is not that cool at all, it has none of the aesthetics or basic art that makes Civ such an engaging game. The "wonders" are boring as hell, no art at all of your buildings and mechanics, just this generic "sci-fi" design and all the leaders are just 90% mystery meat generic people and even the non-mystery meat are just as boring.

One of the most used mods is the one that makes the alien death fog more visible to the player because the green and purple colors in the map are so fucking harsh.

No teeth on this game, the devs had no idea on how to even imagine a future that wasn't sterile and boring.

>>732276960
BE basically springboarded off of Civ 5's popularity. It also helped that most people didn't assume it was going to be bad unlike Civ 7.

>>732265627
I still can't believe they put a quote from adam savage in 6. I think that was one of the dominoes that tipped, where I squinted and started thinking about some of the other design choices that were made.

>>732276660
>always disable time victories (even though you'll probably never reach them, they just suck conceptually)
>no promotion or policy saving, if you get one at an "inconvenient" time then that's tough luck cheater
>continents or pangea, at least standard in size (probably not huge because of the lategame turn times)
>Immortal difficulty (Deity is just too aids to be fun for me)
>random civ personalities
>disabled movement and attack animations, standard pace
Think that's about it for me. I usually select whatever Civ I feel like playing because I'll just be disappointed with whatever "random" gives me.

>>732277617
Genuine king behavior

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>>732276660
Domination victory only.
Or no victory conditions and just make a city sim until I get bored.
I do wish that cities had more restricted building types, based on their surrounding environments. I might make a mod that does that - I assume it's possible to restrict certain building types from being listed. Will have to look into it.
For example, more things like observatory, gardens or windmill based on surrounding tiles. Would probably need to add more ways to transport goods to cities though, similar to doing food or production trade routes.

i heard the pirate update was good. but i knew right from the start they would be doing civ switching, i knew the game was dead

What are y’all’s favorite mods for Civ IV? I usually just play vanilla but I’m trying to shill the game to my zoomie friends and they need some razzle dazzle

>>732259519
It's a TES situation where people hate the downgraded features in relation to the first game they've played.

>>732258673
VI would be fine if not for the terrible late game wars. It's impossible to take a modern city, even with siege weapons you're not doing shit for damage so it's just loading up submarines with nukes and blasting with multiple nukes per city. And if Cities are close, well, go fuck yourself the city defenses can hit all your units from both cities. The polution and global warming systems are fun in concept but it ends up terrible because the AI will just spam coal power plants anyway and you end up basically having to fight wars to blow up factories, lose your coast

>>732276660
I always disable diplomatic victory because it's extremely arbitrary and basically impossible to fail if you go for it, unless alexander is in the game which just makes it impossible to win instead

I’m only kind of fond of BE because there’s a fucking dearth of near future planet focused 4Xs.

>>732278402
this but with domination and science as well
cultural is the only competitive way to play civ v on deity since ai wonderwhores

>>732258014
I think VI was shit too to be honest.

>>732276660
In Civ 4, cultural victories can either feel very rewarding, or actively ends the game before anything can really happen. It's why I disable it for the off chance Brazil gets lucky early game off screen and smashes everybody else.

Civ revolution is under rated as console spinoff

>>732278213
For Civ 6 my favorite mods heavily nerfed the walls to allow the AI to capture civs more easily and made it where making troops cost population. For the latter, you have to set troops with more stars to cost more population, since the AI will actively only create the most powerful units it can since everything shares the 1 population cost.

The main thing I disliked about Civ 6 compared to 5 is how annoying domination and war becomes due to the walls once they really start going. 6's main solution is to nuke, but I like 5's more impactful nukes more.

>>732276660
I don't know if it is just me, but I can only do domination victories. Every time I try for a different one I'm constantly think "Why am I trading with these weaklings when I can just conquer them". Like, I could have won the game hundreds of turns ago.

>>732273242
>They put a black person in an ad they MUST HATE me
fuck is this stupid nonsense

>>732279534
You faggots are always so disingenuous.

>>732279783
Its just such a stupid baby reaction

>>732279823
Go suck nigger dick, loser.

>>732279839
Pathetic sooky

>>732279186
It's not just you, but several players struggle with domination not because it's difficult, but because it's tedious. 1UPT can make moving huge armies feel like playing a shitty version of Tetris, until artillery/airplanes LoS and terrain slows the game to a crawl, and early-rush civs are newfag traps because you would not BELIEVE how many times I would be too Civ-stupid/drunk while playing Attila and ended up trapped on my own continent with -50 GPT, no science, and not having researched Optics because I forgot about it until it was too late.

>>732258014
VII is so bad people have stockholm syndrome towards VI?

>>732279823
>strong and powerful black queen Mongolian
>subservient and stupid white Mongol
>clown music
>white woman telling you what to do
If you think Firaxis doesn't hate you after watching that shit, then I bet you play MTG still.

>>732280046
Yeah no its just such a stupid childish leap
That's just how everyone in America makes ads 'rremrmr they hate me' is such a pathetic response

>>732273709
Sounds great then

>>732279905
>It's not just you, but several players struggle with domination not because it's difficult, but because it's tedious.
Not me. I love moving my military across the world. Maybe I'm just a warmonger.

>>732276660
I disable everything but military victory
All other victories are dogshit

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>>732279534
Yes, completely irrational.

>>732280247
How is it such a leap?
Do you think people that shit on the things you like actually like you? Are you really that fucking retarded?
No wonder companies can get away with whatever they want these days with people like you gargling their fucking balls.

>>732280337
everyone dislikes the ad so it must mean Firaxis hates you?? is this more retard logic

>>732280337
aren't all those thumbs down extensions fake? Jewgle hides the actual numbers

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>>732280294
>Maybe I'm just a warmonger.

>>732280451
>the company making something you hate out of something you love means they like you!
just kys yourself

>>732280401
They werent 'shitting on it', they were making a silly ad about a game that is itself also pretty silly, you know people in the industry don't have this view of 'brown people bad, if we put brown people in it that is us CHOOSING to make it bad'

>>732274468
>skipping the good ones
bruh

>>732280593
Stupid tard logic. They thought they were making a good ad, they were just straight-up wrong. No they were not purposefully choosing to make the ad bad because they hate the game or some stupid nonsense only tards tell themselves

>>732280607
>hyper focused on black people
no point talking to you, since this is all you're going to carry on about

>>732280026
and VI was so bad people have stockholm syndrome towards V

>>732280720
They are so fucking racist that think black women is some kind of poison that kills chuds
Literally see black people as objects to be used to push ideas, docile little things to be used.
That ad was only powered by unfiltered racist, sexism and hate. (and retardation)

Good thing firaxis is done.

>>732280720
NTA but you can see the obvious hostility towards the audience in that ad. The black bitch general references the player being named something like "Melvin972" (melvin is a total dork name) and being obsessed with pudding (totally dork and loser coded) does mean the ad writers clearly do not have a high opinion of the players. It's like a bunch of people with no kknowledge of gaming outside of what they saw on Big Bang Theory wrote it.

>>732280854
Literally every complaint about the ad I have ever seen, including here, is first and foremost about the nigress, careful about calling other people disingenuous

>>732262937
>nelson mandela

>>732279534
Black people have nothing to do in a CIVILIZATION game. They're completely irrelevant in history.

The only reason they're in is because Jews control the industry and want to push anti-white egalitarian propaganda (all races are equal, women/men are equal, etc.)

An accurate portrayal of history, wherein Europe/MENA/Asia would get the lion's share of representation and blacks depicted as 70 IQ barbarians, would be completely unacceptable to the Jews

>>732281037
The whole novelty of Civ is wacky ahistorical combinations of nonsense

>>732274686
>obscure muttistani negress
>well known

>>732280953
Doesn't that mean that the developers hate the audience?
>audience has been clear about their stance on niggers
>proceeds to put a nigger as the main focus of their ads
>THAT'LL tech those chuds
You defeat yourself.

>>732258014
can believe so many people regularly play dogshit like V and VI

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>>732281104
every time

>>732281031
The tire necklace is a powerful tool for diplomacy and bridging racial relations. Also,
>lincoln
>churchill

>>732281104
It was still anchored in historic reality. Niggers and women have never, ever built a functional society.

>>732281205
>impi carpetbomb's u
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14YHs0375tY

>>732281138
Since when have Civ's fans 'made it clear' they all hate nogs

Now you're mixing things around, and saying Firaxis should have known this before they made the ad from the response to the ad

>>732281262
>they all hate nogs
according to you, here: >>732280337

>>732281192
Not a good comparison, the meme of Civ games ending with medieval warriors fighting tanks and choppers is a longstanding one

>>732281262
>Since when have Civ's fans 'made it clear' they all hate nogs
see >>732280953
>Literally every complaint about the ad I have ever seen, including here, is first and foremost about the nigress

You'll cowards will never make another Alpha Centauri.

>>732281390
No point when Stellaris perfected that flavor of the genre.

>>732281350
>medieval warriors fighting tanks
is coherent and historically accurate
Niggers discovering quantum physics, building nukes and going to space is not

>>732281313
>>732281379
You are both missing the point. You are saying Firaxis should have somehow learned of their fans hating nogs FROM THE RESPONSE TO the ad BEFORE THEY MADE IT

>>732281390
Most overrated game of all times. I mean, it only has one map. All civs are the same shit except with 1% in gay shit and 2% in fighting shit. What the fuck.

I've been playing a bunch of Civ 5 again recently for the first time in a long time. Truly the peak of the series and the only one I'll continue going back to. 6 just didn't do it for me.

>>732258676
Other than the graphics, 6 was an improvement in literally every category.

>>732281482
Yeah and neither is France founding Islam, building the pyramids and invading the Mayans

>>732281486
>people only started hating niggers in media after that ad was released!
retard

It’s fucking beautiful seeing lefties losing the culture war everywhere. So many companies went woke, then went broke, and now true fans are picking up the pieces. Pedo Democrats seething, retarded Somali living shillings seething, disingenuous parasitic secondaries getting gatekept, and troons on suicide watch

>>732281572
>Yeah and neither is France founding Islam, building the pyramids and invading the Mayans
That only tests the limits of suspension of disbelief (especially the French founding Islam, kek - have you seen modern Paris?)
The nigs founding civilization completely shatters it.

>>732281667
you type like a fag and you're shit's all retarded

>>732281486
Are you illiterate or are you in 6th grade? This rejection of leftist invaders has been happening for decades PLURAL.

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>>732281486
it's not even about hating nogs, what percentage of the civ userbase is black women? Or just black in general? They don't play these games lol.

The trend of shoving blacks into ads in places they have no business being obviously was around loooong before that ad, fuck there's a 4chan meme about it

>>732279534
Bro, you're a cum-guzzling faggot. Black people in a Civ trailer aren't a problem. Plenty of black people in history, plenty of civilizations made by black people. Inferior to those of whites, but nonetheless, they exist.

But the Mongols were not Black. You stupid fucking retard. I hope your mom gets cancer and dies.

>>732281591
Just tell me where exactly you think Firaxis should have learned that their fanbase in particular were ravenous nog-haters prior to making the ad, I've sure never gotten any such impression, never saw anyone raging over black civs in older entries, Shaka's an old favorite if anything

>>732281728
Salty lefty pedophile.

>>732281728
Your crashing out huh :^)

>>732278864
>>732258014
>6 was woke being unchained
>everyone bought it
>7 was woke unchained
>no-one liked that
The modern audience does seem to exist, it just doesn't like to be pushed too far

>>732281804
If you don't know your own fucking costumer base then you are a shit company.

>>732281804
There's a difference between "I saw a black person and now my day is ruined" and "Black people being shoved into cultures that they don't belong in."

>>732281756
>what percentage of the civ userbase is black women
Oh god this stupid angle, I'm sick of seeing it
There's no rule that a piece of media should never ever depict people that don't resemble the majority of the media's consumerbase, that would obviously be a ridiculous notion
If you followed through with it you'd have to be confused about every piece of fantasy media having Orcs in it (lol dont they know Orcs dont exist? Obviously no Orcs will watch this movie/read this book/buy these models)

>>732281572
>Islam
White people founding an abrahamic religion isn't incoherent. See: Mormonism, JW, etc.
>building the pyramids
France built MUCH more impressive and intricate monuments, again not incoherent
>invading the Mayans
France invaded half the world including America, Africa and Asia

Historical coherence is a matter of potential. In an alternate reality, White people *could* follow another religion, build different monuments or invade different people.

But niggers do not have the intellectual potential to do any of these things. A nigger ""civilization"" founding a large-scale religion and building large monuments is completely impossible. That's why seeing niggers in a history game breaks immersion.

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>>732281804
This would have been a start. From there, it's down the rabbit hole.

>>732281791
Only the stupidest most flat-brained retard would actually think the ad was suggesting Mongols are/were black, the whole theme of the GAME is about nonsense ahistorical shit

>>732282018
>here's no rule that a piece of media should never ever depict people that don't resemble the majority of the media's consumerbase,
Maybe but there sure is a rule that niggers must be injected everywhere.

I knew Firaxis was retarded when they cancelled development of XCOM 3 in favor of some shitty Marvel slop. Seeing the glorious crashing and burning of Civ is just the cherry on top.
>let’s make a Civ game that’s worse than the previous in every metric.
>then let’s butcher the core gameplay so it’s not even recognizable as a Civ game!
If they had made Humankind but good or Civ VI but worse then they could have recovered. But making “Humankind but somehow even more dogshit” and calling it Civ VII has killed the future of this franchise. Retarded shit like Harriet Tubman is insult to injury

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>>732281104
(you)

>>732282123
Don't you get tired of being disingenuous? Lying is bad for the soul. Eventually you won't be able to remember the truth.

>>732257858
there's no fixing that shitstain of a game
it's not a case of like 5 and 6 where it was just intentionally barebones so they could sell DLCs, it's just bad

>>732268836
>unique
I already played humankind, didn't care for it so I didn't buy this one
I wasn't asking them to change anything, Ill save my money for a brand new civ. In sick of devs withholding key features from releases

>>732282123
see
>>732281192
Also, if it's just "ahistorcal nonsense" why are white only mods removed basically instantly?

>>732282103
>Historical coherence is a matter of potential. In an alternate reality, White people *could* follow another religion, build different monuments or invade different people.
>But niggers do not have the intellectual potential to do any of these things. A nigger ""civilization"" founding a large-scale religion and building large monuments is completely impossible. That's why seeing niggers in a history game breaks immersion.
this

>>732282228
snow calling a splatter of jizz white, fuck off disingenuous idiot

>>732282228
Leftists never get tired of being disingenuous. They cannot argue in a logical capacity so they have to resort to intellectually dishonest arguments. The only language they understand is violence, and you can’t inflict violence on them (with the exception of truly brain damaged troons and foids) from behind a keyboard

>>732271216
>>732271343
Is there a collection of these? I've never even heard of Civilization Online

>>732282397
See? You lie and that causes you to double down in lies and triple down in lies and eventually you'll be lying without even realizing it. There is no truth in you. You are a waste. A pathetic fool. You created a spiderweb of lies and now you can't get out.

>>732281552
i've been playing it again this week for the first time in probably like 8 years
it's great aside from it desperately needing more luxuries. It's no wonder it became the 4 cities and turtle civ game lel

>>732282407
I hate nogs too dude, sometimes I just get sick to death of this pathetic stupid tardish whiny mindset of 'Waaaa they put a black person in it they MUST HATE Me' amnd I FUCKING SNAP

>>732282103
Anon in civ 6 as america I founded Catholicism and used pagodas, america FUCKING hated catholics, the founding fathers would have probably given up if they had to have a pope
Civ is wacky mirror world

>>732268836
>NOOOO ITS THE NON-CIV FANS WHO HATE THIS DOGSHIT GAME
>ONLY TRUE FANS LIKE ME CAN APPRECIATE THIS EXQUISITE GOYSLOP
true fans are still playing Civ III and IV. nu-fans are arguing over V and VI. People like you, who genuinely enjoy this dogshit, are not fans of Civ. You are a parasite trying to destroy a franchise, and it is only right to hate and hurt you whenever and wherever possible

>>732282549
>Hey there, fellow right-wing! I sure hate nogs too, but

>>732268836
maybe they should have made a good game instead

>>732282479
You are the lying fuckhead. You know full well they just tossed on all that Mongol shit because they thought it would look good to sell the medieval army theme.

Go get smacked and stop talking like a fucking idiot

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>>732282407
undefeated

>>732282284
>Ill save my money for a brand new civ
This attitude bothers me. I get that studios can sometimes release stinkers, and can redeem themselves in a subsequent release - but 7 just seems like such a clear signal that the company is desperate for money and just chase trends, and that the core of the Civ franchise means nothing to them, that I can't really bring myself to give them money in the future.
It's like the abandonment we've seen in other franchises when they basicaly say "fuck off" to the old fans in the hunt for the modern audience (Star Wars being the most obvious example - they literally killed off the old characters to replace them with 'modern' versions of them). Having loyalty to a company is retarded in most cases, and I have none here, but even if I did, I'd still not want to support them going forward. That trust had been broken. It's pretty clear the original fanbase is "not needed" anymore - the Humankind audience will suffice apparently.

>>732282610
>I know almost nothing about the game,
Then what are you doing here, Disingenuous-kun?

>>732282654
Now you lie to yourself and put words in my mouth to maintain your frail ego intact. You use lies like a shell to escape reality. You are down. So down.

>>732282161
Honestly glad they canned XCOM3.
Can you imagine how shit it would have been after seeing the Marvel shit they made? (I don't count Chimera squad in this equation because I believe it was made by a B-team as a side project thing).

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>>732282576
All of this is more believable than Mongols having a black woman leader.

>>732281843
Usually you don't see the effects of a dissapointing game until the one after

>Game 1: this was great!
Sells well
>Game 2: This was also great! Can't wait for the sequel
Sells well
>Game 3: This game was bad, I will not buy the sequel if they maintain this path
Sells well
>Game 4: I shan't purchase
Sells poor