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>expecting these boomers to save your video games when they know nothing about video games
LMAO. this is going to backfire badly
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>>737072074
America lost. Europe and gamers won.
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Remember how when these threads started getting moved to /pol/, all anti-SKG posters were indian or behind memeflags? And remember how some of those wouldn't stop spamming CP so threads would get removed? Because I remember.
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You got your anus torn apart in the last two threads. Still trying?
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Serious question, what the fuck is wrong with Americans? How does an entire nation end up so cucked, buckbroken, divided and conquered?
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>>737072074
>t. ferret fucker
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no hate but shouldnt he have cleaned himself up a little before going to parliament?
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It's unfortunate that so many other more serious problems came around the same time

- Visa/Mastercard ramping up censorship
- Age verification (internet ID) laws
- Capitalism getting unsustainable as cost-of-living rises and strains proletariat

etc. Kind of made the "stop killing games" thing seem silly.
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>Europe Echo))))))
erm...
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>>737072326
Internet anonymity’s a helluva drug
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>>737072402
That is him cleaned up
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>>737072402
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO IRON YOUR SHIRT
shut the fuck up
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>>737072074
Who let the mold leave containment?
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>>737072402
He looks fine, desu. I can’t blame him for not wanting to alter his appearance entirely before the hearing since it’s probably the only thing anyone would talk about if he did. In any case, he looks perfectly respectable here.
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>>737072074
The unanimous support its getting isn't unexpected really. Ross has a way with people.
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>>737072074
abahahahahahahahahah he actually looks like that ahahahahahahahaa
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>>737072413
Is plebbit using watermarks now? You could be in trouble.
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Why does an American guy have to lead the world once again?
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>>737072074
It's actually insane to be a Ross fan since Freeman's Mind and seeing SKG basically die. Now he's explaining video games to geriatric politicians
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>>737072778
Yurops are too busy shitposting about the US
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>>737072649
WHO LET THE MOLD OUT!
WHO! WHO! WHO! WHO!
WHO LET THE MOLD OUT!
WHO! WHO! WHO! WHO!
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>>737072074
Damn, Ross (and other people I watched 20 years ago) are looking older and I don't know how to feel about that.
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>>737072790
>it's following the most optimistic timeline possible
>I-it's dying!
Not the sharpest one, are you?
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>>737072413
Nah, shitting on AAAA is never silly
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>>737072402
he looks good. Are you talking about his long hair because his facial hair is trimmed. He looks like your typical 40+ year old nerd.
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>>737072886
you should feel old.
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>>737072704
>even a kinda goofy looking guy can have the charisma to get shit done
Anons who complain about their looks being responsible for their many woes need to dig deeper to understand why no one likes them.
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>>737072413
>"that foreigner wants your culture to die"
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>>737072790
As an oldschool Ross fan this is all a giant mid life crisis by Ross to not address THE MOVIE stalling out.
I love the guy but thats all this really is in the end. FM2 didn't pan out well, he gets clowned on for his abandonware tier games he has to cheat in, the mold jokes. THE MOVIE was his road out of being a joke and if you have been a fan for a long time you know THE MOVIE is a pipedream. Right when Ross realized THE MOVIE was tanked he went into this hardcore. Yes, he's always been pro-consumer like this but he kicked this focus into overdrive exactly when he mentally made peace with THE MOVIE not happening.
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>>737072292
It's impressive how difficult they make discussing these topics altogether. It's as if they don't want people uniting on these issues for some reason
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>>737072889
You're bad at inference. SKG did basically flatline. It's why he made a call out video at the right time, at the right place and jumpstarted the thing all over again. If he didn't this whole thing would have died
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>>737072074
looks like you're in the barrel today mr freeman
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>>737072074
Only Jeets are surprised that Europe is taking this seriously enough that they invite the eceleb to state his opinion and asking him why he considers it a serious issue. The fact is, Ross is speaking to them on a spiritual level when he declares a desire for things to be defined with legal language that clearly defines if this is legally allowed or not with no middle ground, instead of leaving things hanging to ambiguous and vague language.

Bureaucrats love that shit.
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Holy cringe if the initiative fails I'm blaming her
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The rickshaw has actually reached Brussels.
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>>737072989
The comic is not pro-immigration retard, it's making fun of anti-immigration people who don't realize the capitalist ownership class is passively taking wealth generated by them.

Immigrants only want to come to western countries because of capitalism in the first place, because USD/Euro is artificially kept better than their currencies, and capitalists want immigrants because it's unironically better for the economy, as it provides cheaper slave labor with lower job security, more consumer demand, higher property values, and higher GDP.
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>>737072994
he's been talking about this for years, he's only doing it now because he saw an opportunity with the crew being shut down
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Anyone got a transcript of what was said?
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>>737073186
>because USD/Euro is artificially kept better than their currencies
3rd world cope
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>>737072074
>OP makes thread about SKG seethe
>Anons collectively call OP a faggot
>OP and Falseflaggers ad hominem and attempt to derail
>Anons collectively call OP a faggot
>OP is so butthurt they proceed to make a new thread

I'm starting to believe that its actually industry plants at this point.
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>>737073004
>implying
This is just the nature of bureaucracy. It is a slow process even in the face of something totally obvious because there are ten billion different avenues that have to be navigated. It’s basically a digital circuit that can only be switched by human judgement. If your processor required 50 different people to make even a simple decision before it performed your request, it would take months. And even *then*, there’s still room for error.
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>>737073227
I know, he's also been talking about THE MOVIE for years. He doesn't talk about it much anymore ever notice that?
I love Ross but you know I'm right. This is the guy that moved to Poland from Pennsylvania after 1 fan emailed him. The things he does are highly autistic AND he's willing to settle immediately. This is a cover for no THE MOVIE.
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>>737072985
I mean he's rich and famous, he can be ugly. You really don't understand how poor people live (luckily for you).
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>>737073241
I imagine there is a vod, it got streamed today.
No idea where tho.
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>>737072074
Half of people sitting there were elite gamers compared to most of /v/
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>>737073351
>WAAAAH IM POORRRRR WAAAAAAAAAH IM UGLYH WHY WONT GOD GIMME MORE MONEY MORE LOOKS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH MY LIFE IS SOOOOO HARD WAAAAAAAAAAAAH
grow up dude holy shit lol
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>>737073351
Yeah, that’s true. It takes a special kind of someone to pull themselves out of that situation.
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>>737073282
>I'm starting to believe that its actually industry plants at this point.
it absofuckinglutely is and they're not even hiding it
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>>737073372
>>737073241
https://control.eup.glcloud.eu/content-manager/content-page/20260416-1100-COMMITTEE-IMCO-JURI-PETI?audio=en&lang=en&logo=true&multicast=true
Here's one that's about an hour long
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>>737073156
looks like gina valentina with down syndrome, I'd still rail her
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>>737072413
The foreigner should have billions in fraudulent government support on his side for the picture to make sense.
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>>737073570
What you wrote doesn’t even make sense.
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>>737072326
>You got your anus torn apart
he's into that
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>>737072413
>>737073641
Pathways confirms that immigrants get free housing and money, and that is a propaganda game supposed to make the government look good
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>>737072292
>all anti-SKG posters were indian or behind memeflags?
but if a thread gets moved from a non-flag board to a flag board, all the previous posts would be displayed under "unknown" flags
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They're doing the smart thing
instead of educating boomers on how to preserve games, they're just helping the boomers understand that publishers are basically circumventing customer protection laws by way of technicalities.
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>>737073857
>free housing and money
How much exactly is the money they get and what kind of “free housing” are we talking about? Living in a room the size of a closet and getting $350 USD a month is enough to only keep a person alive. The government can easily afford millions of people under those conditions.
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All that work, whining and mold and where did you get all of you? Nowhere. lmao.
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>>737074210
it might not seem like it, but he's already won, His entire goal was to get the mold in the parliament, which requires him being there physically.
It's finally spreading
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>>737073857
You mean the game that tells you the government will arrest you for trying to inform yourself on social issues on the internet? That game?
I think you are underestimating just how dumb (or devious) were the bongs that made this game, and what "making the government look good" means to them.
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>>737074140
Who cares? They shouldn't be receiving those at all.
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Corporate exit scams are based, right fellow gamers?
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>>737074261
>Even as we type this now, the fungus amongus spreads it's roots deeper into the government.
WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 PETITIONS?!?
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>>737074140
>Living in a room the size of a closet
They're literally living in 4-star hotels while getting free food from the hotel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujcxEXZbaCQ
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>>737074324
You're right. It's native born brits that should be shoved into those flammable shoeboxes instead.
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>>737074405
This is better than my shitty studio apartment. Fuck me in the ass.
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>>737074418
or deport them all and cut taxes.
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>>737073282
I saw on twitter that literal bots were just parsing random analogies to try and "argue" SKG. It's definitely real.
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>>737072074
>moldman's beard is getting grey hairs
bros...
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>>737074140
>enough to only keep a person alive
Meanwhile I have to work or die in Eastern Europe (immigrants are getting more money for free than the average salary...)
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It's going to be thrown out of parliament due to vague usages of terms, isn't it? I called that shit years ago and instead of fixing it you faggots kept calling me a corporate shill.
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So did we win or not?
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>>737074418
>>737074405
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>>737074585
>vague usage of terms
'Give your customers the tools to keep their games running when you no longer want to support it' isn't vague you kike
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>>737074603
EU parliament broadly agreed with him so probably
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>>737074471
Or keep them around so they do the shitty jobs that you won’t do? The government already know native Brits feel entitled to a better lifestyle than imported brown people; the pressure isn’t on (You) to go out and find a shit job to keep yourself alive.
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>>737072074
>Ross is some loser on YouTube he won't make a difference
>SKG is just some fad it won't go anywhere
>SKG will be ignored by the government it won't get any bigger
>The government is just humoring Ross, they won't do anything
>Ross doesn't understand videogames he won't be able to save them
(YOU ARE HERE)
>The government regulating games is bad they'll just mess it up
>Passing a law won't make a difference it won't come to America
>Corporations won't follow this new law passed by the American Government they'll just ignore it
>Owning games is actually a bad thing people don't know what to do with that kind of freedom
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>>737074636
Define "customers", "tools", "running" and "support" in holistically in the context of that sentence.
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>>737074585
As they've said 100000 times, the vague terms are a GOOD thing for getting through parliament because they can come to a solution instead of asking for something extremely specific
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>>737074460
Looks like a studio apartment to me.
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>>737074739
That's not how laws or bills are passed. If anything it makes you come across as some kind of LARPer trying to get attention.
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>>737074585
Of course. They want huge sweeping changes to the industry but can't explain exactly how to do it. This will be dismissed and then the cope begins.
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>>737072582
this cracked me up more than it should have
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I think the reason there are so many people who are anti-SKG on /v/ is that this entire site has been programmed to not even WANT good things to happen. TORtanic was one of the worst poisons to happen to 4chan. People got a high out of laughing at failure, and ever since it's all people here can chase. The concept of good things just possibly happening is totally alien.
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>>737074585
>vague usages of terms
Retard, it's simple
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>>737074585
Most likely, yes. What really didn't help it's optics was it being slammed against 3 different global topic issues that made it come across as a bunch of autistic manchildren sperging out. I mean, that's basically what it was from the get-go but it really does shine a stark contrast on how meaningless it is when most of the European continent right now is trying to figure out how to deal with Russia and Iran having missiles that can hit any city in their continent.
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>>737074779
>That's not how laws or bills are passed.
you're an expert it seems
please feel free to dox yourself in order to show us proof of your expertise on the matter
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>>737072885
Where this gets legitly funny, is the fact that Offbrand games publicly distanced themselves from dumbfuck Pirate and everything flapping from his gums on the topic of SKG.
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>>737074779
He has several organizers and legal experts joining him that disagree with you and believe it has a very good chance
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>tfw try to make a game and run out of money, have to pull the plug
>tell team to execute the EOL plan, the servers must be freed
>can't afford to pay devs to do it, they refuse and leave
>go to jail for a video game nobody plays
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>>737074867
reddit also hates SKG but that doesn't fit your narrative.
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>>737075001
Show me their "hate" for it.
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>>737074921
>it's optics
>it is optics
GOOD MORNING SAAR
HIIIIII DEEAAAARRR
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>>737073186
>Immigrants only want to come to western countries because of capitalism in the first place

in america its not capitalism they are coming for, its money and a decent life because we fucked over their homeland with psyops, arming gangs and cartels, and couping their leadership. like how there was a migrant caravan of poor people from south america after we put heavier sanctions on Venezuela and dumped oil into the market to lower the cost of gas. Or how after NAFTA, it forced mexican farmers to compete against heavily subsidized american crops, so their workers went north because we basically collapsed their farming industry.
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as long as this shit hurts gacha games as much as it possibly can ill he happy
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>>737074867
The nature of anonymity lends itself to many, many retards saying many, many retarded things. Unlike Ross, however, they are speaking into a void. A thousand bad opinions doesn’t outweigh a good one. Anons making threads attempting to discredit SKG are literally just wasting time kek
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>>737074921
You people are getting increasingly nervous that this shit is actually going to win, and a law will get passed. You might actually have something good happen in life, and you can't stand it.
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>>737074973
>Make a game with there being clear regulations on how to do it
>Can just release the server hosting software and tell people to set them up
>Don't do this cause you wanna make people's purchases useless
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>>737074956
You guys can't even define how you would force a company to keep a game playable save for straight up releasing the source code to host servers for the game. That's not even going into how a lot of online games need their own host server to even function properly. So what? Is every game company that releases an online game going to have to both release the source code for said game AND permanently host the server? Hell you faggots can't even define what kind of consumer protection you even fucking want from this. The bill is the legal equivalent to a 15 year old writing about how we need to stop climate change. It's empty platitudes at best and completely ineffective.
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>>737074867
Everybody here agrees with the initiative except for Babel Media
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>>737074661
>>Or keep them around so they do the shitty jobs that you won’t do?
Dude I can't even get a fucking "shitty" job because the EU is paying for people to hire them instead...
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>>737075150
SKG is not retroactive. This would simply force game developers to not develop games in a destructive capacity. This was done years ago for decades, and can be done again.
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My favorite part about this whole escapade is when the "developers" come out and
>I understand your frustration but please realise how prohibitively complicated it is for us to ship our microservice architecture backend that runs on kafka and mysql and s3 and elasticsearch and fifteen different services running in kubernetes to make it able to run on your machine
And
>B-but the cheat detection!
Yeah that's the point dickhead. No one ever asked for any of this.
>B-but we have a right to-
Yeah that's why the laws are being changed.
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>>737075037
Redeem the card SAAARRRRRR!
>>737075112
By all means, keep at it. This has been the longest going shitshow with infinite salt to mine in a while. The Pirate Software vs. Mold Guy stuff was fucking hilarious. Whether it passes or not, I've already gotten a lot of joy out of it.
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>>737075150
did you really never play a game with a server browser?
man underage shartyfags are something else
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>>737072074
Let's pray our Jesus Ross
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>>737075150
>Take game
>Remove online features
>Replace with offline features
>Put game in public repository for others to download
I can't believe retards like you keep trying SO hard to misinterpret extremely easy concepts
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>>737075182
Honestly, I highly fucking doubt this.
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>>737073938
Upon understanding that contradiction, you now need to ask just who exactly was the one spamming CP. Was it really the Anti SKG, or was it the "Pro" SKG, spamming CP in false flag faggotry in order to make their side unquestionable on moral principle?
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>>737075253
So you are exactly like this. >>737074867
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>>737075296
So what happens in cases like Destiny 2 where the original game is supplemented completely by it's sequel?
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>>737074779
Look at la-dee-da mister lawmaker over here. You don't know shit about fuck, faggot.
>>737075150
There it is. The same old tired shit repeated ad nauseam.
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>>737073529
Can also switch audio language to English and you'll get the English transcription produced by the official translators employed by the EU to transliterate for the Parliament speakers. Actual professional transliterators that are under legally binding oath to provide authentic translations - aka the anti-thesis of the common game-localizer.

Really helps in translating the German, French, Italian, Spanish, etc. and reveal that basically the entire Parliament is telling the Commission to GET THEIR FUCKING ACT TOGETHER AND LEGISLATE THIS SHIT PROPERLY.
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>>737075031
>Hard to not feel like every Stop Killing Games thread is getting brigaded as soon as it's posted.

>Every time there is a post, it's just a bunch of people criticizing the movement in the most inane way. This time, it's about his looks because... I guess that now it's getting traction, they can't say that it's going to "fail for sure" or that "Ross has no idea what he's doing".

>Comments gets better as the post ages, but the fact that it's always the first comments make me think that there are people that are solely watching for SKG posts to try to discredit the movement.

>EDIT: seems like a lot of those comments have been cleaned up by the mods now, in case you're wondering what the hell I was talking about.

That was the top comment in the latest big SKG reddit thread. The comments were a shitfest of infighting and criticism of SKG before the mods swooped in and saved the day to push the SKG agenda.
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Why is there an obvious bot in the thread?
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>>737075475
>just one
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>>737072402
He just needs a shirt that fits better, but knowing his cheap-ass tendencies he probably got that one on sale.
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>>737075475
Ice cream? I love ice cream!
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>>737075475
The movement needs artificial traction to keep it's inertia.
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>>737074510
No reason for alarm. He is simply entering the natural process of 'gandalfing' - soon he will develop actual powers of magical subterfuge.
After that he will start developing the uncanny necessity to dress in all-whites, indicating an upgrade of his power levels.
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>>737075475
Be glad the shills aren't spamming cp in these threads like they used to
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>>737072074
ridley scott looks like that?
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>>737075351
All content paid for needs to be made available to play offline
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>>737075475
Money
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>>737072074
Is this Ridley Scott?
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>>737072074
Who are you quoting?
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>>737075085
One of the government-reps literally cited concern over the state of affairs in mobile gaming with lootboxes, etc. to which one of the SKG legal experts replied that their home country Spain is already in an advanced state of legislating on that topic and that the EU could take a look at that material for inspiration on how to solve the issue.

So yeah- that's happening. 110%.
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>>737075341
Are you fucking retarded? Various mafia/politician's family companies get gibs to a) import migrants, b) "employ" migrants. Then the companies that employ them get tax breaks etc and they get bonuses (part of the salary or full salary for them) paid by the EU funds. Then what happens is that they "hire" migrants that obviously don't want to work, they're just there to collect the paycheck and bring it back home to Nepal/Thailand/wherever and they don't give a shit about the job. So if you have any kind of a job that isn't fucking president of the universe nepo baby bullshit job, you're forced to watch useless sacks of rotten diseased meat just sitting around and jerking off on their phones all day, who can't fucking speak any language known the man, and if you complain you're racist and they'll fire you instead (they'll never fire them because they're a source of free money). And this is in Eastern Europe that was 99.9% White until a few years ago.
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>>737074603
Not set in stone yet, even though the parliament agrees with us. This is why the poos are still in overdrive, feverishly grasping for any straws that might somehow manage to sabotage it. The final answer should come within the next 3 months, so you can expect daily spam threads for that long, reeeing about how to this is totally communism and a whole lot of other shitflinging trying to discredit it.

>>737074585
good morning sir
The terms are vague on purpose because an ECI petition is not a lawdraft and it's up to the commission to word whatever legislation that might come from this. But you already knew that you cow fucking, curry stinking cretin.
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>>737072074
Wow, he actually did it. He made it all the way to parliament. Hoping for the best.
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>>737075475
1. The SKG movement is mainly dominated by actual autistic people who don't understand how to debate or talk to people so a lot of them have just decided to use bots to flood replies and comments sections with artificial support because they don't know how to respond.
2. In their eyes, actually making movement in the legal atmosphere isn't actually the point. The point for them at this stage is to just use it as a bludgeon against anyone they boogeyman (see in this very thread how often they resort to namecalling and outright accusations.)
3. The Pirate Software controversy completely overshadowed the bill and because of that there isn't much attention or activity behind the bill beyond the aforementioned autists so they need bots to make it look like it's more popular on here than it is despite the fact that this site is mostly used by Americans and not Europeans.
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>>737075792
I'm watching the bit where he speaks.
His content is good.
But oh goooood the fumbling
The spaghetti
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Where's the next Freeman's Mind episode? He will die of old age before reaching Episode 2.
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>>737075475
The industries with their mass produced slop can't afford for things like SKG to pass. Bots & browns (hopefully paid?) are utilized to steer discussion away from the movement at all costs.
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>>737075778
It will be dismissed and you will cope.
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>>737075772
What kind of job are you trying to get, anon?
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>>737072074
They're too busy trying to import 60 gorillian Indians and 60 billion dollarinos to Ukraine, what makes people think they'll give a shit about saving Ubisoft's the crew. This is like when game theory gave the Pope a copy of undertale
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>>737072413
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>>737073351
He's not rich and his fame is a couple thousand people watching youtube. Dude is eating canned food most of the time.
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Why do companies get angry when you decide to actually use democracy for its intended purpose instead of just blindly electing retards who don’t give a shit about you?
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>>737075778
I don't even understand what these retarded shills expect us to do if we somehow got convinced by them
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>>737075469
This to me just looks like companies are financing a lot of shills to talk shit about SKG on 4chan and Reddit (and probably also Twitter).
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>>737076113
Because they don't want you to really "vote," or "vote with your wallet," or do anything, ultimately. They want to keep fucking you in the ass, and just tell you those things, because for years, none of that stuff actually accomplished anything.
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>>737072292
Do you remember the general rules about begging and advertising? That also applies to SKG petitions.
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Pro immigration people hate ICE, pro immigration people hate themselves.
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>>737074712
It's already been pre-defined in 93/13/EEC that is right now fucking Ubisoft in the ass in a national lawsuit, lil' shilly.
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>>737072402
That is him cleaned up.
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>>737076136
The point is to break up any discussion altogether. The idea of people talking about SKG and its implications is dangerous to them. If you flood these threads with endless nonsensical shitposts no one will be able to talk about the actual topic of the thread. Whoops! mods pruned/moved it off of /v/ thats too bad
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>>737072956
Maybe getting a haircut and a shave.
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>>737076294
I see
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>>737075158
If I were to go looking into their board composition I would find a particular inclination favoring certain ethnical aligned nose profiles, wouldn't I?
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>>737072413
>other more serious problems
not MY problem
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>>737076113
They want the customer... sorry, consumer, broken and blindly spending when they tell him to, without any capacity for criticism or indipendent thought.
This goes against everything they tried to build, if the consumer dares to think he can actually change things in his favour, who knows what else he may demand!
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>>737072074
The amount of shills scared shitless of him is hilarious
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>remember Ross ended his career at Machinima because the company has been predatory and shitty to work with
>creator of Gman Squad and CS for Kids also uploaded a video about his shitty experiences with Machinima
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QuF7vX3b9F0
Machinima gave us the best Source creators with Ross, Djy and Xan.
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>>737076262
Peepee and poopoo are good sources of collagen fibers and prevent aging.
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>>737076363
Not this time
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>>737076205
Or many people disagree with you.
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>>737076385
The thought that he may unironically lives rent free in the head of many CEOs of gaming companies is hysterical.
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>>737076480
So far they have been unable to articulate their disagreement beyond strawmen or statements that showcase technical illiteracy.
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>>737072956
probably his horrid hair that he should have fixed with a haircult and his awfully fitting shirt that makes him look like a 13 year old boy going to prom alone.
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>>737076294
Its why you're seeing shilling for immigrants or whining about capitalism all over the place. It doesn't matter what the topic is, so long as it breaks up discussion.
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>>737076461
>native
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>>737072413
>Kind of made the "stop killing games" thing seem silly.
Oh man, you're right. May as well pack it up. Government can only handle one thing at a time.
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>>737076495
There 100% are multiple people at Ubisoft shidding and farding themselves every day over this. "IT WAS JUST THE FUCKING CREW! YOU KNOW WE MADE A SEQUEL, RIGHT? COME THE FUCK ON."
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>>737074585
EU commission literally said that it being vague is a good thing and literally cites it as an example of how to correctly write an ECI in their site.

ECI is only to call point out what needs to be solved, it's supposed to be vague, the solutions discussed after are where it becomes specific.
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>>737076447
You should get a job, the revolutionary larp isn't cool anymore.
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i imagine the lady from behind like, what does it mean a game killed, and heck is a server, anyway sounds dangerous i will prohibit it
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Tbh calling the movement stop killing games was a mistake. Should've made it more general like stop killing software, and then included shit like Adobe deleting Animate from people's license subscriptions and locking them out of their projects.
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>>737076480
If the opposition was genuine you would see actual discussion, not bad faith arguments repeated at nauseum no matter how many times it gets explained, and on Reddit you would see threads made both pro and against, not just pro threads immediately sieged by people against (almost as if to them not talking about this at all is better than talking badly).
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>>737076480
>Every time there is a post, it's just a bunch of people criticizing the movement in the most inane way. This time, it's about his looks because... I guess that now it's getting traction, they can't say that it's going to "fail for sure" or that "Ross has no idea what he's doing
Right, they disagree so hard they started shitposting about Ross' looks.
Fucking pooshills, man. How could you be so bad at your one job?
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>>737076624
You're talking to someone that's posting specifically to farm engagement and get paid per post. Please stop.
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>>737076635
Look at this illiterate fuck right here. Can't even shit out a sentence, but he NEEDS to argue against his own rights and hope for a future where he has less.
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>>737076552
He looks like an average politician. Literally.
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>>737075085
god bless
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>>737076647
I doubt that inviting google to sic $999999999 worth of lobbyists on your ass is going to help.
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>>737076557
Other topics come up here because there is nothing to discuss about SKG. They have no model for how any of it will work.
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>>737076731
he does not
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>>737076647
Ross talked about this. He's in favor of that but he felt like taking on Adobe, Microsoft and all the other companies who have a stake in SaaS would've made this 10x harder. I think he's probably right
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>>737072074
The girl that tried to cram as many gaming references as she could into her speech have me sectioned heather embarrassment.
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>>737073186
>>737072413
>the tankie is back
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>>737076461
>95% of anti-SKG posts originate from a basement full of indians
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>>737076647
Ehh, it would have been less focused and companies like Adobe would have taken him seriously from the start.
This way you give the EU a framework to regulate all software disguised as provision for just games.
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>>737076631
Injecting a syringe full of air into your vein will increase your oxygen and works as a great pre-workout supplement.
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>>737076136
It's about swaying public opinion by any means necessary, no matter how desperate.

Contrary what the memes say, some anons do have something resembling a life on the side and those anons occasionally talk to other people. Who in turn talk to other people, who... you get the idea. The poos don't want those anons to talk about SKG outside 4channel because that could give people dangerous ideas like supporting the cause so they try to drown out discussion and do whatever they can to smear it.
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>>737076623
Ubisoft actually did cave in and make the crew playable offline. They're scared shitless of the lawsuits that are coming
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>>737076782
Uh oh. The bot glitched.
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>>737076789
It's one dude that just sits in these threads spamming his chapotraphouse 2015 takes, shilling communism and telling everyone how immigration is good instead of bad. Just filter them tbdesu.
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>>737076678
>Right, they disagree so hard they started shitposting about Ross' looks.
No, there was plenty of real criticism in that reddit thread but like a good SKG shill he ignores it and strawmans it all into just calling Ross ugly so the mods can get to work.
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>>737076776
He absolutely does, kek. They all look like middle-aged adults in conservative attire.
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>>737076883
Sure.
Care to post some of that "legitimate criticism"?
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>>737076778
Adobe are gigantic cunts in general and I don't blame anyone not wanting to pick a fight with them.
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>>737072074
Is it bad that I want SKG to fail purely because I find his looks repulsive?
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>>737076837
I don't even know what you are talking about, get help commie schizo and go outside.
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>>737076940
Yes.
What are you, gay?
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>>737076927
I assume it's the classic, "My five person dev team indie MMO can't sustain itself forever! This will kill indie gaming!"
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>>737076294
>>737076113
They dont. This would help them make slop. Do you genuinely think the EU would force major international game publishers to maintain servers without the industry negotiating government subsidy for it? You're going to see low budget single player games with battle passes and online connectivity more than ever because they will be milking government aid for keeping up the server. Hell, if they really hated it they would point out how many they employ to keep a server up right now and how many would be laid off with government mandates. No, they want SKG because it makes tax payers pay for their development even more than usual without any sort of guarantee of success or quality.
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>>737072413

you see it now days because of more sophisticated infrastructure, from the very beginning of the web in the 90s there have always been people with desire of control, but would not just be even if you want it... now with more centralization and more compute power they can start to make it happen
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>>737076940
>When the wise man points to the stars the foolish man looks at the finger.
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>>737076940
extremely effeminate mindset
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>>737076940
>admitting to being the most shallow of failed normalfags
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>>737076294
what saddens me a bit is that the shills trying to derail and flood the thread do so in detriment of their own interests, for pennies
like my man, why sell yourself like that?
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>>737072402
is a viking
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>>737076991
Yeah, I know, I just want him to make an ass out of himself by either ignoring me or posting shit already discussed at nauseum.
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>>737076927
I've spoonfed you enough. Go search stop killing games over there and hope the mods haven't cleaned up the thread yet.
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>>737076997
Look at this schizobabble. Literally can't comprehend devs, early in development, adding a, "play offline" feature.
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>>737072402
He put a shirt on, that's clean enough
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>>737076997
>maintain servers
There is that lie again.
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>>737076946
To perform a stretching maneuver that will relieve all muscle tension prior to exercising, place your head between your legs and take a deep breath while attempting to roll forwards without tumbling. Begin breathing heavinly for a count of 20 breaths before letting go and crab walking for about 4 meters.
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>>737076871
Did they really? I hear months ago they were gonna do it, but they got sued recently. Looking up there is an unofficial patch that only works on PC, so the console players still got scammed
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>>737076997
Just give the server tools to the players so they can host and pay for it themselves. Or better yet just charge for the server hosting tools and make some money off on the side.
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>>737077084
They received new talking points, now it's "Companies will demand subsidies from EU to comply with SKG influenced regulations".
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God I can't wait for these old cunts to swat down this stupid entitled bullshit
I don't have strong feelings either way on software licensing, I'm just sick of all these retarded kids flooding my socials with this crap

It's "say word money stolen" levels of delusion.
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>>737077092
I accept your concession
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>>737073857
>video game said so!
jesus christ i share a board with these people
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>>737076997
what the fuck are you on about, retard?
>hurr durr they have to maintain server FOREVER
you fucking retard
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>>737072131
>>737072384
>>737072413
>>737072778
>>737073186
How does it feel to lose? Spending months and countless hours on your pitiful demoralization campaign using devide and conquer tactics (and failing) seething and foaming at the mouth, playing all sides, replying to yourself, making it political, smearing, trying to hurt innocent people you never met only to just fucking lose lol. Good prevails. And evil losers like you always lose.
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>>737077143
Nigger.
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>>737077162
>only /v/ is negative!
>look at reddit
>doesn't count!
Yes you did lose.
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>>737076935
Yup. The good news is it's a very small leap from what SKG is doing to actually preventing some of the bullshit Adobe is doing. So if SKG gets some legal groundwork it may roll back some of the insanity of the last few decades
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>>737077143
You can't spell the word nigger without carbon monoxide.
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>>737077182
You just got baited into giving a shill more money.
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>>737077163
>rape gangs good
>>737077143
kill yourself
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>>737077092
>Show.me.their "hate for it"
>Ok, see this: Every time there is a post, it's just a bunch of people criticizing the movement in the most inane way
>so it is a bunch of shills shitposting in bad faith there too
>Nuh uh, there's legitmate criticism!
>such as....?
>Uh......IVE SPOONFED YOU ENOUGH!!!!
again, how can you curryniggers be this dogshit at your one job. Even AI can do better than this
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This kills the shill.
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>>737077124
>Give me your server code!
No. It's mine. Fuck off.
>But I paid!
To run the client. This was made clear multiple times on the purchase page and in multiple agreements you signed.
>But I want to run the game without your permission! I need the server to do that!
Too bad, it's my copyrighted IP, I get to decide what happens to it. Your rights as a consumer don't trump my property rights.
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>>737076935
The gaming industry will pull all software license sellers into this as defense. If SKG thinks the gaming industry will sit back and allow only their industry to be regulated (unfair) they are very naive.
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>>737077331
>he voted for Donald Trump
everyone point and laugh
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>>737077314
>it's just a bunch of people criticizing the movement in the most inane way
according to SKG shill. You forgot that part.
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>>737077351
Awesome.
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>>737073857
she looks like she secretly fucks undocumented african bvlls
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>>737073938
Because after the thread got moved, all anti-SKG posters that kept posting were indian or under memeflags.
>>737075343
Good morning saar do not redeem the child porn basterd bitch!
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Friendly reminder that most of the good things happening in gaming now happen within communities by community-driven projects that often aren't for profit at all. Modders regularly produce better expansions for games than any official DLC, and often add features and updates to games that exceed any official remaster. Half the games that release on PC are borderline unplayable unless you consult the community-driven PC gaming wiki and download community-made mods and patches to make them function passably at all. Ship of Harkinian is a more full-featured port of OoT than Nintendo will ever produce, RE4 HD Project is a better remaster than Capcom will ever produce, RE Classic Rebirth is a better version of RE1 than Capcom will ever produce, etc. etc.
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>>737072402
He looks fine to me. Sure, not exactly parliamentary but atleast he isn't fucking bald.
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>>737076873
Nah, semi organic sleepy autocorrect failure. Phone posting ain't my friend at this hour. It was supposed to be: "gave me second hand embarrassment". Sorry for that. At least this is 4chan not European parliament so I don't bring shame to my nation.
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>>737077371
>>737077331
you have to wait a few more seconds for it to not look like samefagging
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>>737077351
They're going to be fighting people that can spend hundreds of hours farming an item in a videogame or parsing thousands of lines of code to reverse-engineer a server. The absolute worst thing a corporate boomer can do is underestimate autism and they are supremely arrogant.
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>>737077371
Considering the number of people that just responded "nigger" with no other context I'd say supporters of this are plenty MAGA
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>>737077227
Nope, didn't say that, I said that companies already pay for shills /here/, so they almost certainly also paid for shills on reddit.
On the other hand you failed to provide the "valid criticism" you claimed existed earlier.
As I said, I accept your concession.
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>>737074603
you will be notified in 2 years, and if theres not a referendum
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>>737077426
Good Luck :)
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>>737077461
>Retard SKG stan can't confirm samefag
lurk more before posting
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If these threads weren't being brigaded what would we be talking about?
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>>737077414
>according to SKG shill.
And yet you're the one who cited this SKG shill and still cant find any of this "legitimate criticism"
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>>737077501
>Nope, didn't say that
Read the reply chain next time.
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>>737077532
Sorry, I will own something and be quite happy
>>737077471
based
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>>737077516
Thanks.
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>>737077557
About which one of the game dungeon episodes if your favorite?
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>>737077557
Scott's plans to further spread the Mold.
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>>737077557
I would be fapping to photographs of my dead grandpa
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>>737072402
He looks like a perfectly ordinary kraut dork in business casual. If I had to negotiate with yureptoids in the name of freedom and justice in gaming, I'd do the same thing.
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>>737077471
>only le hecking based MIGAbros say nigger! we are very brave! legalize comedy!!!!
jesus christ are you actually stuck under a rock? literally everyone says this shit online when they are anonymous and left leaning people will even publicly make fun of women and other races and shit. dark woke is in, nigga
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Nigger here; why can't wypipo just get along?
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>>737077557
uh.....SKG has no plan or solution to discuss to nothing at all.
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>>737076363
No, those ethnically aligned people are the ones hiring Babel.
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>>737072994
>>737073227
>>737072994
>>737073345

I'm sorry folks but what in god's name is """"THE MOVIE"""

Is this a video like the one he made about a game engine where you could import the assets of a game you just played (???) where he just goes on an autistic ramble session about some shit he thought would be cool?
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>>737077651
he looks like a piratebay developer. kraut politicians do not look like this
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>>737077654
Cardboard ayatollah status?
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>>737072074
160IQ Aryan beast changing gaming history while /v/ seethes impotently about it
RossGODS how are we feeling today?
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>>737077586
>No, there was plenty of real criticism in that reddit thread but like a good SKG shill he ignores it and strawmans it all into just calling Ross ugly so the mods can get to work.
>Sure.
>Care to post some of that "legitimate criticism"?
Holy projection.
I know indians are bad at this, but this bad?
How much do they pay you, I'm curious.
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this shit has never really mattered that much to me as I hate online only slop and the people that consume it
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>>737072402
He looks like an elder tech wizard. It'll lend some gravitas to his words
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>>737077331
Your [Intellectual] Property rights are not innate, it is merely a temporary luxury granted to you as a means to an end to encourage innovation, as stated in the Copyright Clause of the US constitution.

Those rights can and should be taken away if it gets in the way of fostering innovation or consumer rights.
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>>737077747
Feels like victory.
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Post the Road Dahl quote Ross / Pirate image. "Good thoughts" or something
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>>737073186
Most Dunning-Kruger post I've seen on this website so far
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>>737077654
>Tries to deny being a trumper
>Immediately reveals they are in fact heavily right wing
retard
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>>737077728
kraut politican here

we all look like this. also, i eat currywurst
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please EU solve this nonissue for us like you did with internet cookies and ossifying electronics connectors
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>>737075150
>>737075150
>The bill is the legal equivalent to a 15 year old writing about how we need to stop climate change.

this is what i do really perceive from all of these, as games would be animals and we need to start classify them from vulnerable of extinction to stable condition
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>>737077754
>Surely game developers wouldn't continue to push this as far as possible to people who would never want to experience
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>it's such a non-issue that I'm going to come into every thread dedicated to it to tell them how much of a non-issue it is
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>>737073186
if a robber lights a fire in your home, do you put out the fire or do you chase the robber?
this post is a metaphor.
the "capitalist" (read: jewish) class are the robber, and the fire is niggers
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>>737076940
You definitely should feel bad for using such horrid bait.
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>>737077813
>Consumer rights as I imagine them should supercede basic property rights
Congrats: you're retarded
Thankfully no politician would ever go along with that
Which is what people have been trying to tell you since the petition was first written
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>>737076229
>wannabe mod doesn't actually understand rules
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>>737077931
>Anti-SKG
>Clearly an ESL mongoloid
>Doesn't even have a clue what the movement is about
>Just has to come in and be against it, because they love corporate dick THAT much
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>>737077948
>slippery slope
wow
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>>737075961
ANY idiot.
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>>737077802
I know you kids are treating this like a cult but be real for just one second please
He doesn't look like Wozniak, he looks like a homeless man.
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>>737077963
Of course.
Don't you ever enter random threads on /v/ and post "I don't care about this"?
Everyone is always very interested in knowing what you think.
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>>737078047
>fallacy fallacy
wow
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>>737078013
Intellectual Property rights are not innate basic property rights.

Read the Constitution
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>>737078013
consumers who purchase property have rights to that property.
i hope that clears up your total misunderstanding.
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>>737078038
>Doesn't even have a clue what the movement is about
nobody does because it's very vague.
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>>737077963
at least the jeets got some new material for their obvious spam
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>>737076107
Ok king so you can give me everything he has right, since you have at least 1000 that much?
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>>737078047
It's not a slippery slope when the companies are saying they are going to do this shit right to your face.
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>>737077874
BRO WHERE THE FUCK CAN I FIND CURRYWURST IN HOUSTON, TX I'M DYIN OVER HERE
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>>737078089
But Wozniak looked like a homeless man?
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>>737078149
>ubislop
Not helping your argument.
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>>737078129
No it's not.
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>>737078149
it's a slippery slope when you give the government a pass to babysit your games
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>>737072989
Millennia ackshually, it's just that dialing down the racism is less effective than doubling down.
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>>737077163
Way to miss the point retard. Even the left-wing uk government, who would be dispelling claims like free money and free housing, if they were to lie, ended up saying "no that is actually true".
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>>737078181
Okay how about Stadia, a whole system that was attempting to fuck you over by being always online?
Or Game Pass, trying to make you rent your games perpetually?
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>>737078218
Do you really think the government would need a pass to do this if they really wanted to?
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>>737078047
>>737078149
i read this book too when i was young. it was pretty good. i liked the illustrations.
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>>737078129
>anti-SKG brown admits he knows jack shit about the topic
So how much do you get paid for this? And is it "per post" or "per thread you shit up"?
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>>737078194
How will SKG save games?
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>>737078124
Good thing buying a game isn't purchasing property, it's a licensing agreement
>But physical copies...
Still a licensing agreement
>>737078120
I don't think you know what the constitution is or does if you think it defines property rights
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>>737078218
it isn't in high-trust societies
not like you would know what one looks like
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>>737078283
By ensuring future games will have to developed in a way to allow offline or self-hosting elements.
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>>737078264
the ID verification that europe is doing needed support so yeah
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>>737078275
yawn
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>>737078290
>Good thing buying a game isn't purchasing property, it's a licensing agreement
>>But physical copies...
>Still a licensing agreement
i dont' care for this sentiment and will use the government to change things for my benefit
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>>737072292
remember when you weren't a bad goy?
>>737072074
it's simple:
>stop pulling the plug on video games. don't remove game modes and functionality from video games. don't take the money and run, ensure the game will remain playable after EoS
>if you insist on making games with a killswitch, state CLEARLY IN BIG BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS that it's a SUBSCRIPTION, NOT A GOOD
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>>737078089
>t. has never taken any programming-adjacent classes
Lmao what the fuck do you think nerds look like in real life, anon?
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>>737076824
At least they're getting paid to do it, the other 5% is corporate bootlickers who do it for free.
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>>737078354
>I don't like how copyright works
Get in line you fat fucking faggot
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>>737078328
vague
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>>737078337
Which is why is important that the law they eventually propose actually alignes with what is being asked and they don't try to slip weird shit in it.
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>>737078283
it gets live service games banned from europe so you never have to see those fucktards in your multiplayer games ever again
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>>737078181
What were you expecting dumbass? Anon's pointing out that these companies say they're going to do shitty things. Are you really expect the company that says it to not be a shitty company.
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>>737072292
>>737073004
Indians make money by working on remakes
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>>737078403
Wrong.
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>>737078290
>buying a game isn't purchasing property, it's a licensing agreement
I love how one of the old politicians straight up called this out
>I have three kids that are avid gamers and play 20-40 € for a game + additional money for cosmetics. When the game shuts down and the publisher disallows further access, that money goes to waste and from my point of view, that's unfair, because the difference between "buying" and "licensing" at this point is semantics.
>the difference between "buying" and "licensing" at this point is semantics.
Tick fucking tock.
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>>737078361
Anon are you an idiot
Mossman isn't a tech nerd or a programmer
That's kind of part of the problem here
None of the people involved in my CS degree looked like a corpse you find in a zombie apocalypse game
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>>737078420
You said it will come to the games you love too and then you posted ubislop only cattle play.

You lose.
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>>737078381
why wait in line when i can work to enact meaningful change right now?
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>>737077997
Why is it bait if it's how I feel? Ross looks like a rat that doesn't know basic self care. The receding hairline should've been an indicator to himself that he should've cut it long ago
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>>737078358
>State clearly that the game will not be playable forever
This is already a thing and is what all reasonable customers assume.
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>>737078470
>None of the people involved in my CS degree looked like a corpse you find in a zombie apocalypse game
That's funny, because literally all of mine do.
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hopefully this gets steam banned from europe because you dont actually own your steam games
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>>737078349
Come on, Ranjeet, Im curious to know what kind of squalor you have to live in that you have to shitpost for a living. How much do they pay you?
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>>737078181
Just because ubisoft is the only one dumb enough to say the quiet part loud it doesn't mean the likes of EA or Activision Blizzard aren't thinking of doing the exact same thing.
Or are you dumb enough to give them the benefit of the doubt?
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>>737077118
Console players are used to getting scammed who gives a shit about them
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>>737078461
>Some old cunt said something stupid
Alert the media!
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>>737072074
I don't know why people want to have the government force companies to keep unprofitable games online. That's literal slavery.
How would you, as a tradesman, like it if the government mandated eternal warranties for the work you provide?
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>>737078591
There is that lie again.
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>>737078491
Japan doesn't want you to play EoS'd games either. They call you necrophiliacs, and say it's the equivalent of rape.
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>>737078586
i want to have the material convenience of an old console but with new games.
... if games companies were forced to treat products differently, that could happen
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>>737078591
sar...
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>>737078591
>this anon thinks there are living, breathing gnomes pulling knobs and levers in order to make a server function
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>>737078559
>it doesn't mean the likes of EA or Activision Blizzard
More slop producers!??? The horror!! Stop it please!

Or I'll continue not playing those "games". SKG defenders really reveal the garbage they play.
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>A contractual term which has not been individually negotiated shall be regarded as unfair if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties’ rights and obligations arising under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer.
>2 A term shall always be regarded as not individually negotiated where it has been drafted in advance and the consumer has therefore not been able to influence the substance of the term, particularly in the context of a pre-formulated standard contract.
>The fact that certain aspects of a term or one specific term have been individually negotiated shall not exclude the application of this Article to the rest of a contract if an overall assessment of the contract indicates that it is nevertheless a pre-formulated standard contract.
>Where any seller or supplier claims that a standard term has been individually negotiated, the burden of proof in this respect shall be incumbent on him.
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>>737078129
>nobody does because it's very vague.

its about preserving games, he stated it many times in his presentation...

this is why i came with my post like we are saving animals from extinction >>737077931

stop killing games, game preservation, lost of media... all the words hes using in his speech, like this would be a real threat to the industry, how many games out there are really worthy preservation? if the company is shutting down the servers is because the game was shit and not worthy continuing, why to care in keeping rss on continuing every game?? the only one real problem here is the scam, as he says, you buy a game, and few months later the company decides to not keep it on run, than you fuck up thanks for your money
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>>737078525
>This is already a thing
no it isn't. the crew was sold as a game. they should have said it was a service like world of warcraft so people can learn to avoid it like the plague
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>>737078670
Japan has a big retro market, what do people like this think of that?
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>>737078670
But why a child, specifically? Why not a wrinkly old grandpa?
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>>737078552
Call me a nigger jew next. It's working!
>>
Ross won
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>>737077262
What a weird way to convince people not to reply to shills.

Weird, and somehow convenient.
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>>737072292
>all anti-SKG posters were indian or behind memeflags?
No?
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>>737078590
>No saar! He's just some old cunt saying stupid shit saar, dont listen to him saar!
kek
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>>737078047
The slippery slope is only a fallacy when there isn't a logical connection (or enough causal evidence) between one event to the other. When there is, that's just basic logical deduction of cause-and-effect.
It's a common tactic to dismiss very basic understand of cause-and-effect by saying it's a slippery slope to notice that something will happen when something else happens. Using a fallacy as a bludgeon to dismiss arguments like that is a fallacy.
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>>737074712
If you can't parse precise meaning from those explicit terms in the exact context which they are applied, then it's useless to patronize you further. Suck a dog's dick, shitskin.
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>>737078781
You are a nigger and/or a jew
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>>737078715
It's about preserving games or some shit....don't ask for details because we don't have them! Trust us it will be good!

kek
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>>737072074
The simple fact that he just looks that way won't do much to help his cause
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Consumers aren’t expected to detail how exactly the company should fix bugs when they appear, they point out the bugs and you have to fix them.
The same applies to end of life plans. Figure it out or get fined out your ass and go out of business.
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I just don't at all trust that this isn't going to lead to some absolutely hamfisted legislation that tags-on shit that nobody was asking for, and makes the industry worse in the long run.

It's not the SKG movement I have a problem with. It's the EU. They have a long history of wanting to meddle with and control electronic communications. Video games are no exception.
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>>737078328
NO, the movement propuse what you said, but he clearly says, we are open to other solutions, so not to jump to conclusions yet
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>>737078859
I'm also a bot
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>>737078690
>It's just The Crew
>It's just Ubisoft
>It's just Ubisoft, Activision, and EA...

Literally no self-preservation instincts. If you were in a line up, with guys next to you all getting shot in the head, you'd have no capacity to comprehend that you're up next.
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>>737078690
They are publishers, anon, not developers.
At any point, they can buy out the devs of every game you liked and turn it into a Live Service.
Or even forcing games that already exist to need an online connection to a server they might shut down.
You don't hate them enough.
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>>737073256
Accurate. It is time to remove those that view our country as an economic zone. Remove them from existence not the country.
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>>737078715
>how many games out there are really worthy preservation?
not
the
fucking
point
companies don't get to decide that
the consumer do
if one lone dumbass in the middle of arizona desert decides he wants to play a game he bought, he should not be subject the the developer's whim as if and when he's able to
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>>737078875
I am very handsome in real life and I believe Ross should hire me to represent him.

Surely having a very handsome person will silence the idiots on the internet instead of cause them to find another angle to discredit me.
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>>737078923
Holy fucking shit, look at this ESL faggot.
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>>737078942
Sorry I'm not into your AAA slop.
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>>737078916
I'll take that over corporations raping videogames into the ground with no recourse. People had already tried less intrusive things. In best case scenario, you just get ignored. In worst case scenario, they drag you to court for trying to revive a dead game and destroy your life.
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>>737078470
>None of the people involved in my CS degree looked like a corpse you find in a zombie apocalypse game
Literally90% of the CS and engineering professor I had in university a decade ago looked like either Ross Scott, Bill Gates, or an Indian version of either.
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>>737078941
Oh yeah!? Well... y-you too!
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>>737078995
So then why are you against SKG? What hard does it do to indies?
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>>737078982
Nah, if you are that handsome they would say that you must be gay.
Then they would say "Yeah, only faggots could supports SKG"!
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The EU went out of their way to make their upcoming EU age verification as transparent and anonymous as they can with zero knowledge proofs and open source code, instead of forcing you to share your ID/face with private companies and get fucked once their data gets leaked, so the EU is more tech-savvy than they might seem desu.
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>>737078943
I'm so scared activision blizzard will buy my favorite indies and force them to go online only.

2 more weeks! SKG haters will be so sorry!!
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>>737078715
>if the company is shutting down the servers is because the game was shit and not worthy continuing, why to care in keeping rss on continuing every game??
I like how the butthurt poos are trying to switch it up to sound reasonable now but still cant hide the fact that they're supporting corpotations taking paid-for games away
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>>737079074
If you only play indies, then why does SKG bother you? What do you have to lose?
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>>737079034
popular opinion good! ask reddit!
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>>737079082
Concern trolling and strawmen is all they have left.
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>>737079074
If you only play indies, why would you care?
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>>737079071
Age verification shouldn't exist at all, retarded shill.
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>>737079114
popular opinion bad! ask 4chan!
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>You'll own something and be happy
>>NOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>737072074
what is mossman's stance on paid subscriptions like world of warcraft and ff14. does he think blizzard is within its rights to shut it down and run away with the money?
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>>737078671
>I want to go back in time to when publishers lacked the technological capacity to fully protect their rights
better start looking for a time machine my guy
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>>737078715
>why to care in keeping rss on continuing every game?
I thought the babel media was a meme but damn, it really is smelly indians shitting up these threads
t. work with these curryniggers, one of whom talks exactly like this
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I really don't find it difficult to hate both niggers and the (((rich))). I don't think they are mutually exclusive at all.
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>>737079186
Probably something like "They can shut it down, but if they do they can't oppose fans effort to make their own server and keep playing"
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>>737079189
stealing the consumer's money is not protecting anything, it's theft
stop enabling theft
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>>737079186
They are SKG exempt because paid subscriptions explicitly state when the game expires, i e when your sub runs out and if you choose not to continue it.
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>>737078720
The Crew was sold as a limited license to execute software that openly and explicitly informed users before purchase it required an internet connection and access to their servers.
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>>737079103
>>737079119
lmao that shut him right the fuck up.
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>>737079103
his next post will be
>b-but muh induhs will be f-forced to host s-servers for their games forever so they will have to divert funds and development time into it!!!
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>>737079251
>literally quoting the defense Ubisoft tried to utilize before being dragged to a national court case
lel
They are not sending their best.
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How would SKG apply to console servers?

For instance, in 2024 Nintendo shut down the 3DS/Wii U online servers so you can't play games like Mario Kart 7 or SSB Ultimate online anymore.

How would the law force them to comply with SKG's principles if it passed? They would be forced to host 3DS/Wii U online servers indefinitely? They would be forced to let people host freely-accessible private servers?

All the conversation around SKG seems to be centred solely around PC gaming with no attention paid to how this could screw over consoles.
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>>737079249
>Say word money stolen
It always comes back to this with you morons
Sheer entitlement
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>>737079250
The Crew box said online only.
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>>737079251
>license
licenses don't supersede the law. stop selling defective goods you turbojew
furthermore, you don't need a license to use software (copyright doesn't cover the "right to experience a work") you turbojew
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>>737079337
Are you pretending to be retarded to make discourse impossible?
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>>737079328
No because those games already have an offline capacity to them. You can still play Mario Kart 7.
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>>737079328
>All the conversation around SKG seems to be centred solely around PC gaming with no attention paid to how this could screw over consoles.
Because consoles are walled gardens and you agree to bend over at their behest.
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>>737079328
What's that you say? SKG is a poorly thought out demand by tech illiterates? It has consequences they are unable or unwilling to understand?
Say it ain't so!
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>>737079382
But the box says I can play online. That's what I purchased.
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>>737079328
literally add direct IP connect like terraria has. problem solved
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>consoles can't host dedicated servers
That's a new one.
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>>737079352
>licenses don't supercede the law
You mean license agreements, and you mean they can't enforce illegal terms
Neither of which is relevant here
>You don't need a license to run software
lol nigga u dum
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>>737079409
>>737079328
samefagging aside, you still dont know what SKG is about if you think its about forcing the publisher to keep the servers online forever
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>>737079328
Despite the one that will probably screech the loudest, Nintendo is one of the least affected publishers, since almost all of their games are playable offline (or even local multiplayer).
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>>737079121
I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that the EU actually gave a shit to make their solution actually just about age verification with as little sharing of private, identifiable data as possible, while boomers in the land of the free will want you to send your government ID and face scans to Israel to protect the keedz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet
I don't think a government body that knows what a "zero knowledge proof" is, that then goes out of their way to have code transparency, is anything but "tech illiterate boomers".

Meanwhile the traitorous farts in the Congress would gladly sell your soul to Israel or FAANG and not give two shits about your privacy because they got paid off so fuck you and your rights.
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>>737079103
its clearly that SKG is againts ubisoft and other big ones, but the parliament dont understand about this, they can come with something that could affect indies and mid size studios that wanted to start their games with online services
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>>737079428
The goal of SKG is to allow for some preservation of the content you purchased to persist. Ross has talked about this. Games like Dark Spore, which were primarily single-player, just got taken offline for no reason other than they were online as a form of DRM.
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>>737079382
So what about the shut down of online stores then?

You can no longer purchase Mario Kart 7 officially anymore because the 3DS online storefront is shut down, and new physical copies are no longer produced.

I don't see how this works for consoles without either:
1. The EU forces them to host storefronts for defunct consoles forever.
or
2. The EU basically forces them to let people pirate delisted games via some official method.

It just sounds absurd.

SKG is more straight-forward for PCs because Steam is an eternal storefront, but it doesn't work that way on consoles.
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>>737079328
At minimum, set a date that the servers will be shut down at.
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>SKG press conference
>look inside
>no press
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>>737078290
>I don't think you know what the constitution is or does if you think it defines property rights

It defines intellectual property rights. Copyright and patents are legally justified by this line in the Consitution:

>To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

Emphasis on "to promote the progress of science and useful arts" (IE: the purpose of IP rights is to promote innovation and the public, not to enrich or protect the rights of authors) and "securing for limited times to authors and inventors" (IE: IP rights are GRANTED to authors as a privilege to achieve the formerly stated goal, it is not an innate right of the author to control their intellectual works)
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>>737079495
Learn English before you talk to me. "This could somehow in someway be bad for indies, so we need to allow big corpos to continue to fuck everyone in the ass." You are a soulless golem.
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>>737079495
>they can come with something that could affect indies and mid size studios that wanted to start their games with online services
The same poor indies and mid size studios that cant afford to program these obsolesence measures in the first place? Those games?
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>>737079513
This has nothing to do with SKG, are you pretending to be retarded? You can still play those games if you own them, even if they are not being sold.
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>>737079513
>yfw the answer is to decriminalize piracy in Europe
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>>737079513
SKG says nothing about purchasing a game, only about the ability to access and use it for those who already bought it.
Delisting a game is still perfectly in the right of the publishers.
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>>737079575
/thread

Everyone who doesn't speak english should fuck off to North Korea
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>>737079553
That's not in Brussels.
That's in Finland.
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>>737079513
You can purchase a copy of Mario Kart 7 right now. It physically exists in the world, and you can play it. It's not dead or destroyed.
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>>737079534
How can they possibly know in advance how long servers will be viable for though?

If you launch a console, you don't know how successful it's going to be long-term. A console that sells 150+ million units like the Switch 1 will obviously have online servers going for decades, but the Wii U was not viable to keep up for such a length of time when it flopped hard.
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>>737079653
Maybe just don't make consoles that will flop?
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>>737079653
Either make games that are playable after you terminate support or fuck off, that's how.
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>>737079328
the bill is just about games being shutdown, doesnt say anything and will not about consoles, off the point
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>>737079495
Give me an example of an indie that would be hurt by this.
Most indie developers don't have the money to mantain a dedicated server for any amount of time, so they either make their games offline only or they already feature P2P multiplayer.
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>>737074661
>Or keep them around so they do the shitty jobs that you won’t do?
Oh I get it, like slaves.
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>>737075071
>in america its not capitalism they are coming for, its money
Yeah bro, tell them
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>>737079754
Among Us, but it already has fanmade dedicated servers. But they do not have an EOS plan and SKG isn't retroactive anyway, so the real answer to your question is that "No such game exists".
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>>737079653
You can still play almost all the Wii U library one the console though?
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>>737079754
HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE

You mean to tell me that they are forced to work within grounded limitations? WHAT?? HOW CAN THEY MAKE GAMES IF THERE ARE GROUNDED LIMITATIONS???
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>>737072074
Damn nigga. If you're going to do shit like this get a hair cut, shave, and buy a fucking suit. Appearances matter at times like that.
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>>737072413
Its all made by the same people. Raising awareness about the enemy is always good. No matter if the enemy is video game lobby or the AI lobby
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>>737079508
Anon that hasn't been true for a while now
The legal argument abandoned preservation because an artist absolutely has the right to destroy their own work
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>>737072413
Why is Kekkonen there? :DDD
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>>737079731
>the bill is just about games being shutdown
So what, specifically, counts as a game being "shut down"?

If the online servers are closed, but the game is still purchasable in some form, is that allowed?

If the game is no longer officially purchasable, but you can acquire it via second-hand means (eg. A used physical copy), is that allowed?

If the game is only available digitally, and is delisted, but can still be played offline in some form by those who own it, is that allowed?

Nobody has really done a good enough job of making things clear. Half the people in these threads talk as if SKG is going to make delisting games illegal, or that devs will be forced to make all their source code freely available if they dare delist a game.
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>>737072989
oh no varrock on twitter wants you dead
Meanwhile Peter Thiel is trying to control the entire world
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>>737079905
>an artist has a right to destroy their own work
Does a parent have a right to destroy their own babby?
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ngl I didn't expect someone on the parliament to say that he liked the initiative because his grandchildren are gamers
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>>737079905
He has no right to destroy the copies of his work that I bought.
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things that still need to be fixed
So, how close are we from VISA hearings worldwide?
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>>737079905
>an artist absolutely has the right to destroy their own work
no they don't. where the fuck did you even get this retarded idea from you absolute retard.
you publish it, it's no longer yours. simple as
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>>737074661
> Or keep them around so they do the shitty jobs that you won’t do?
I'm convinced this is a meme. There's plenty of people looking for jobs in almost every sector. The only reason someone can't find employees is if they're going to underpay, overwork and treat them like shit.
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what none of you stupid faggots realize is that this isnt really even a video gaming issue
its a predatory business issue
take SKG and replace the word 'games' with literally any other product in the WORLD and it makes complete and total sense to vidya-ignorant boomers just fine
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>>737079939
>attempting to poison the well
SKG was never against delisting. You can stop trying now.
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>>737079939
>If the online servers are closed, but the game is still purchasable in some form, is that allowed?
Yes.
>If the game is no longer officially purchasable, but you can acquire it via second-hand means (eg. A used physical copy), is that allowed?
Yes.
>If the game is only available digitally, and is delisted, but can still be played offline in some form by those who own it, is that allowed?
Yes.

>Nobody has really done a good enough job of making things clear. Half the people in these threads talk as if SKG is going to make delisting games illegal

No, you randomly started talking about that to muddle the conversation, or are ESL, and confused. Or more likely, you are a tired shill, echoing the exact same talking points you've been echoing for years.
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Fact: it costs devs nothing to make their games playable offline. The muh development costs cope is just that, cope
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>>737079569
>The constitution defines IP rights
Jesus christ you're stupid.
The passage you mentioned gives congress the right to legislate IP law, it doesn't define jack shit. Defining it is literally congress' job which is what this clause is saying.
To reiterate: you do not know what the constitution is or does.
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>>737072413
Actually, considering how many young people today are demoralized and have little faith in the institutions, giving them a win like this and making them see that sometimes the democratic process actually works would be a big morale boost that would be useful to fight these other issues.
Ultimately, you need people to both care and believe they can make a difference.
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>>737080057
or make stuff open source after the fact (not the base game , but the online components) so the community can make private servers without worry, and mods etc etc
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>>737079905
>an artist absolutely has the right to destroy their own work
Anon, are you dumb? If an artist sold his work then he loses the right to destroy it. So if those corpos want to destroy their vidogames they should not be selling them. Seriously sometimes i question if there are genuine retards posting on /v/. Your arguments and reasoning are so stupid, no way you're normal in the head.
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>>737072413
that picture is absolutely retarded
the bald kike is the one bringing in the browns to depress wages and destroy the country while he lines his pockets
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>>737080038
They used the recent car bullshit as an example
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>>737079754
i cant say it, there are not clear rules yet, the movement just says we want to prevent game to be killed, but not even they have stated how to make it, "we are open to solutions"... but what if those "solutions" turn to be harmful to some studios,
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>>737080056
So what, exactly, does SKG propose to forbid via law?

Are we talking solely about cases like, for instance, Concord or Highguard shutting down while having no offline mode and thus making the games into useless bricks?

If that's the case then I don't see why people are so invested in this or why they are making it out to be more "revolutionary" than it actually is.

The way people are talking about SKG makes me think they want to fuck with a lot more than just live-service games, though.
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>>737077193
>Good prevails

You pay taxes to pedophile rapist warmongers no matter what country you live in shut the fuck up.
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>>737080161
The artist sold you a ticket to view the work and now the show is over.
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>>737080038
I would say that this is specifically a software issue.
However even boomers these days are starting to understand how shitty the practices around software can be, and how disastrous would be if allowed to run unchecked (see, the car example they said during the hearing).
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>>737080074
It provides the justification and purpose of those rights, and in so doing it explains that those rights don't exist for the sake of authors and it is not an innate right

Those rights can and should be revoked or changed to better fulfill the line in the constitution or for consumer rights.
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>>737080161
The artists didn't sell his work
He sold agreements to view it
Agreement's over. It's his to do with as he pleases.
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>>737080214
No, you retard, I bought a copy of the work.
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>>737080202
>Are we talking solely about cases like, for instance, Concord or Highguard shutting down while having no offline mode and thus making the games into useless bricks?

Yes. That's it. It's to stop fucking killing games that you purchased. You purchased Overwatch 1 years back? Well it's gone and deleted. Replaced with Overwatch 2, which had worse, more predatory monetization schemes. There to fuck you over.
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>>737080202
if blizzard releases another warcraft or diablo, they'll have to work like diablo II, which has TCP/IP multiplayer and lets you connect to custom private battle.net servers
simple as
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>>737080214
No, the artist sold me a painting and now he is triggered about me owning it and wants to sneak into my house to burn it down. Rightfully, I will tell him to fuck off and if he persists in his attempts, I will call the police. He's been at it for the last twenty years, so it's long past time I called the cops.
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>>737080275
You thought you did but you bought a license. The retard is you.
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>>737072402
NIPPLES PROTRUDING
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>>737080269
Yet he told me was selling me the work, you can't change the terms of an agreement later.
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amerimutts defending their corporate overlords like their life is at stake is amusing
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>>737080286
Wasn't custom battle.net servers, tcp/ip connections would not show up on the master servers. Those are just direct hosts.
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>>737080202
SKG is basically gamergate without Barr steering the disembodied anger of the mass of retards
They all have their own interpretation of what the demands are and what the requirements are to meet those demands.
They're just very sad very dumb kids with no tangible cause they can impact and this makes them feel like they're activists and part of a group.
It's very sad.
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>>737080301
You bought a license. (Ticket)
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>>737080214
Did he now? So why the deceptive labeling? Why the high price? False advertising is a crime and this artist is liable.
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>>737080320
correct, he bought a license to play the game and now you are denying him from using the license he paid for
you are all going to get sued very soon by the way, I can see why you are shilling against SKG so hard
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>>737080320
I didn't buy a license because there was no stated expiry and no agreement requiring signing before purchasing. This is why you are going to loose.
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>>737080374
No, I bought a product. The artist says I bought a license because a pre-negotiated contract he keeps waving around says that I had, a contract that I never signed and whose terms are unfair and null and void under EU law. Try again.
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>>737080284
>You purchased Overwatch 1 years back? Well it's gone and deleted. Replaced with Overwatch 2, which had worse, more predatory monetization schemes.
This feels like a weird example to me. Overwatch 2 wasn't really a sequel, more like a major update to the game.

How does this not become a slippery-slope towards "devs must maintain a version of every specific iteration of the game to not fall foul of SKG laws"?

What about World of Warcraft where each expansion substantially changes the game, changes features, changes mechanics, introduces new monetisation, etc?

Are Blizzard now forced to host servers for every separate expansion of WoW so people don't "lose access" to the expansions they bought?
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>>737080385
>So why the deceptive labeling?
There never was. Every piece of media you "own" tells you it is in fact a license.
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>>737079939
yes, i agreed, the proposal i just about "please stop killing my favorite games" and thats why i said, this seems dumb, like a child writing a letter of how we should stop climate changing without affecting all our lifestyle, and even worse, Ross just says, here is the problem, and what is the solution, well, we opened to hear them... hes not being serious here
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>>737080301
the entire value of the game is on the servers. you are paying for access
feel free to keep the disc as a paperweight
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>>737080243
>It provides...
No. Stopped reading there.
It gives congress the right to define IP laws over states.
You don't understand what the constitution is or what it does.
Stop replying to me. I've hit my quota for talking to confident retards that try to google arguments to make.
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>>737080161
>So if those corpos want to destroy their vidogames they should not be selling them
Konami acquired Hudson just to get rid of compettion, as far as we know, apparently, they just destroyed the source code of pretty much everything except bomberman
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guess I own World of Warcraft now
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>>737080413
>The artist says I bought a license because a pre-negotiated contract he keeps waving around
No the box in your hand does. lol
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>>737079017
Bold of you to assume corporations aren't going to abuse this now that they don't have to deal with the grey area problem.
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>>737080374
Nah, that's not how licences work. Even digital ones. At least not in the EU. This type of faggotry might be allowed in the USA or in Japan but in the EU digital licences are owned and can even be resold and can also be added to someones will and be inherited.
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>>737080339
Didn't happen
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>>737080195
Those solutions are left for the devs to decide.
And since it wouldn't be retroactive and they would be able to take it into account since the beginning of their development process, I really don't see the issue.
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>>737078916
Hard to even claim its a problem with the EU.
The democratic experiment was a mistake. "Capitalism" was also a mistake. I don't mean capitalism as in the concept of property and the ability to exchange things which existed for ten thousand years before any of the languages the word "capitalism" is spoken in. I mean capitalism in terms of the concept that an entire society should revolve around accruing capital.

I am curious what exact joke it will lead to though. Occam's razor says probably some advisory thing like how the world at large is okay with not owning things as long as you tell the person giving you money that ACKSHUALLY they don't own the thing they paid for. Or maybe some legislation which on paper appears to submit to the demands SKG makes but in practice has too many loopholes to be enforce-able.
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>>737080418
>Overwatch 2 wasn't really a sequel

IT HAS A FUCKING "2" ON IT, YOU DIPSHIT. The original was taken offline, a paid for game. And then for a short period, there was no Overwatch. Like, a week or two. Then the sequel came out, with new monetization policies.

>Are Blizzard now forced to host servers for every separate expansion of WoW so people don't "lose access" to the expansions they bought?

No, because that content is still in the game.
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>>737080359
you had custom diablo II and warcraft 3 battle.net servers for custom games. no need to connect to blizzard's battle.net
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2 instances of actual questions about how in the world the proposal could ever be acted upon without interfering with intellectual property rights. (Never got addressed concretely)

65 minutes of cringe boomers talking about them having heard of video games existing from their kids. And ofc pic related launching into le epic ledditor baiting...
>"I TOOK AN ARROW TO THE KNEE, AND THE CAKE IS LITERALLY A LIE GUYZ! LOL MY BOOMER COLLEAGUES FOR SURE DIDN'T GET THE EPIC VIDEO GAME REFERENCES XDDD"

This shit was never serious...
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>>737080418
Youe entire post depends on this
>Overwatch 2 wasn't really a sequel, more like a major update to the game
premise which is a lie from the start.
Expansions are irrelevant. What you consider as "major updates" is irrelevant. The game you paid for must be playable after EoS.
Is overwatch 1 playable after EoS? No.
You can stop trying to deflect and weasel in retarded strawmen now.
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>>737080492
What box you doublenigger?
>>737080472
Now that's just EVIL!
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>>737080374
That's an extreme oversimplification and you know it. Spelling out the reasons why will take some effort, so unless you genuinely believe what you say to be true (which I don't think you do), I won't spend my time spelling it out for you.
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>>737080446
No, the value of the game is in the product that is sold to me. Service access, if considered a necessity for the product's correct function is guaranteed to me by law. You really have no idea what you're talking about, are you?
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>>737080504
>At least not in the EU.
Do you know what country The Crew was developed, sold and shut down in? All very legal I assure you!

lol you gotta love euros.
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>>737080554
>What box you doublenigger?
The box to the product you say you own lol
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>>737080601
It's very illegal, which is why Ubisoft is now dealing with a national lawsuit. Are you pretending to be retarded?
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>>737080601
>All very legal I assure you!
Ubisoft is getting sued right now you dumb mongoloid. Apparently it was not legal what they did.
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>>737072413
No one whose time worth more than $3/h gives a fuck about an obscure racing game shutting down servers. Its just autistic hyperfixation, just like how reddit refuses to admit how most devs are asset flipping indians and lib trannies, and blames a shitty horse armor to this day.
Just like GG it fails to adress the greater problem, as it hyperfixated on whore sleeping with game reviewers.
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>>737080552
>Expansions are irrelevant. What you consider as "major updates" is irrelevant. The game you paid for must be playable after EoS.
Ok.

So in 2008 I paid for Team Fortress 2 at full price. The TF2 I played back then no longer exists. There are heaps upon heaps of new weapons, balance changes, predatory monetisation, etc which fundamentally changed the TF2 I bought into a new game. It is as different from the original TF2 as Overwatch 2 was to Overwatch 1.

Are Valve now obligated to host their own original TF2 servers officially to let me play the game I bought back in 2008?
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>>737080501
The grey area has always been to the advantage of corporations, since they can gaslight the consumer to what is legal/illegal to their convenience.
The instant the nature of games as something that can be sold is precisely defined, they will need to deal to all the legal requirements and the consumer rights specific for that thing.
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>>737080591
>Service access, if considered a necessity for the product's correct function is guaranteed to me by law
source?
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>>737080638
Did they leave the EU?
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>>737080552
This is all true, BTW. That anon doesn't seem to realize that different versions of software, as well as GIT (which has been around since 2005), exist for a reason.
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>>737072074
jason hall shoves ferrets up his ass.
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>>737080515
You should have though of that before you sold me something you didn't want to sell.
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I am surprised that games industry would fight so hard against this when so many of them are moving to free to play service games anyway.
I mean they're probably fighting it on principle I suppose. Still its funny that they could just as easily go "sure thing ross. If you pay for a game you will get to play it forever" and proceed to exclusively make free to play always online thinly veiled online casinos.
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>>737080646
You don't need a box to own a product you dumb retard. In the EU digital goods can be owned.
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>>737072074
Imagine showing this picture to Ross 20 years ago.
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>>737080521
>These solutions are left to the devs
Lmao big "I don't care about what my demand entails just get it done!" energy
To be clear that is the position of cheesy 80's villains not smart legislators.
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>>737080663
Sue valve, they screwed over the Artifact fanbase.
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>>737080418
NTA but live service games based on subscriptions are exempt because the nature of a subscription has different legal precedent than purchasing outright.
At best what the movement wants is every game you buy going forward, (already made games are exempt) to have a baked in offline mode and at worse to have a big WE CAN TURN OFF THE GAME AT ANY POINT WE WANT AFTER XX/XX/XXX DATE across anything selling the product as to warn consumers, with a "we are shutting down the game here are the files to run your own server if you want" somewhere in between.
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>>737080653
>>737080658
Yes because we all know every lawsuit is successful! lol
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>>737080663
No. You still have TF2. It's an updated TF2, but you still own TF2.
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>>737080663
>Are Valve now obligated to host their own original TF2 servers officially to let me play the game I bought back in 2008?
No, because in TF2 you can host your own servers.
Valve could shut down any official support for TF2 tomorrow and they would be just fine even by SKG standards.
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>>737080719
I am a developer.
The demands are perfectly reasonable and easily actionable. Any developer saying otherwise is hiding something. Developers don't need to be told how to meet the demands anymore than they need to be told how to prevent their shit from leaking peoples' credit card details.
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>>737080680
Directive 2019/770, article 21.
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>>737080549
>This shit was never serious
Anon these petitions are the equivalent of Obama's WH online petitions
They're grievance outlets not real policy making
Other petitions in the program are shit like "make all the schoolteachers christian"
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>>737080663
>Are Valve now obligated to host their own original TF2 servers officially to let me play the game I bought back in 2008?
>>737080418
>Are Blizzard now forced to host servers for every separate expansion of WoW so people don't "lose access" to the expansions they bought?

All of this is pointless because that's not what SKG is trying to do. Nothing about it is trying to force publishers/developers to host servers indefinitely. They just need to provide customers with the tools or ability to host their own servers, or to create an offline mode. Which is perfectly reasonable. And it's entirely possible, as shown by the fact that it can be done with games with server structure as complicated as MMOs, even without developers providing the tools.
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>>737080727
Kill yourself visajeet.
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>>737080704
Ok and go read the license that comes with your digital goods. You have no point.
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>>737080776
based dev
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>>737080549
The IP question was addressed by the Soanish lawyer
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>>737080776
>I am white saar please trust and do the needful do not redeem
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>>737080663
Even if you ignore the fact that TF2 has always allowed you to host your own servers, it has an official SDK released. There's literally nothing preventing you from playing a recreation of launch TF2 if you so cared to.
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>>737080696
There are a lot of videogame publisher lawyers who want to fight this since that would gain them extra paychecks. People fighting this don't sell or make games. This is why lawyers are cancer. I am sure that there are other beancounters and paperpushers in videogame publishing that think of this as a way to make a few bucks by convincing the dumb CEO that he needs to pay them extra so they can fight this in his name.
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>>737080719
How cum I can play Deus Ex after all these years even if the dev is dead??
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>>737080719
Would you prefer precise indications that might not fit every possible kind of game?
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>>737080826
ran out of ammo that quick? It's so easy to kill SKG. lol
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>>737080847
Maybe we should perform a seance to see what his current noncorporeal wishes are?
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>>737080828
I read it and in the EU all parts of it that are hostive to the consumer are considere invalid under EU law. You don't believe me? Google it up. EU will save videogames and you will keep seething.
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>>737080392
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>>737080873
Yeah, go tell your corpo masters that SKG is kill and they don't need to pay their army of shills anymore, please.
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>>737080696
I'm guessing they rely a lot on FOMO to get people to play their live service games. For example some people bought Marathon right now because they would not be able to do it in the near future
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>>737080909
>I read it and in the EU all parts of it that are hostive to the consumer are considere invalid under EU law.
No go fire up The Crew with your EU copy.
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>>737080521
>Those solutions are left for the devs to decide.

they will just decide what is more convenience to the road map they planted for their games... i can promise i will keep the game for at least one year, tho, by keeping it i just means to keep the basic game and not major updates will be release... another one just directly decides to release the game and leave it for other party to keep it running as a fan game with no profits for any side
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>three hours of powerless seething about Ross saving games
You love to see it.
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>>737080924
kek
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>>737080535
>IT HAS A FUCKING "2" ON IT, YOU DIPSHIT.
achtually.... not anymore
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>>737080850
I'd prefer if the people trying to get a law passed showed even a slight interest in what their demands would practically entail.
If someone hasn't done that and shows no interest in it that tells me they are unserious about the issue and their opinion cannot be trusted.
Who would write a law based on the words of someone that admits they are uninformed and wish to remain so?
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>>737073156
I had to stop watching it was unbareable
it probably was ok if you didn't understand the references though
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>>737080964
Imagine if there aren't actual shills. Imagine if people genuinely are fucking mad that they might get more rights.
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>>737080916
This is new you moronic shill. A decade ago this didn't happen, and it certainly didn't happen with people who bought The Crew. Also, physical copies of The Crew are also unplayable. Kill yourself.
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>>737080946
Isn't Ubisoft suffering a class action for that?
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>>737080964
REEEEE WHY CAN PEOPLE DO THINGS THAT ARE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF MANKIND WHEN ALL I CAN DO IS SHITPOST IMPOTENTLY ON AN IRANIAN JELLYBEAN WEBSITE
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>>737080924
Go back to worshipping your disgusting youtuber eceleb, nigger
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>>737080392
>>737080916
You are both doing pointless argumens since there are timed and perpetual lincences. Videogames don't have timed licenses or publisher would be required by law to put that on the game box or store page.
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>>737072074
>LMAO. this is going to backfire badly
lord volkha, is that you?
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>>737073156
Is she named after food?
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>>737080916
I disagree
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>>737081018
>2 more weeks
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>>737081030
>resort to name calling
Wow, it's so easy to defeat corpo shills, If I was a corporation that paid for this kind of service I would ask for a refund.
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>>737080975
Because keeping things in a conceptually soft state means its resistant to outside attacks and critique until the the people who say yes or no have shaped it into a state they feel happy with?
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>>737081039
>Videogames don't have timed licenses or publisher would be required by law to put that on the game box or store page.
What you call a "perpetual license" I call a good that I own. From my point of view licensing requires some service being provided by the publisher yet many games are not supported any longer and I still own them. I already said that since there is no stated expiry, they cannot strip me of something they sold me.
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>>737080663
>Picks TF2 the game that lets you host your own servers
Ok, this is stupid. This better have a good punchine
>It is as different from the original TF2 as Overwatch 2 was to Overwatch 1.
>Brought up tf2 updates to pretend OW2 is not a sequel that replaced OW1
Lmao. Get a better premise, this "OW2 is a major update!" spiel is never going to work
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>>737081018
A class action plus another lawsuit by cosumer protection law watchdog in France. Not sure how many more lawsuits are there. Also they'll be losing the lawsuit in France.
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>>737081126
https://www.ign.com/articles/ubisofts-the-crew-lawsuit-insists-we-do-not-own-the-games-we-buy
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>>737080776
yes, i dont need to know how you are going to fix it, but just leave it to the devs, whilst being the devs the one that decided how and when and under what terms to hut down the game is the problem...
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>>737080504
You don't understand how licences work period, dude.
The way it works in the EU is the same as it works in the US, Japan, UK, Australia wherever
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>>737080997
Nah, there's at least two shills that use recycled rhetoric with very easily recognizable posting styles. They have a bunch of talking points they cycle through. One of them posts in lowercase and is a low tier troll that resorts to mocking or baiting people and resorting to insults. The other tries to make more higher brow analogies (that are still retarded) and makes weak attempts at legalese, without knowing anything about EU law.
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>>737081150
You are confusing me with another anon. Go back and read the message chain.
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>>737080161
>If an artist sold his work then he loses the right to destroy it.
You'd have a point if it were one singular object but selling multiple as a licence gives them full control of the property and they can destroy it if they want to. It's not up to you.
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>>737081206
LOL fuck no. Lurk more. We even had more than a few threads on /v/ when the EU started making changes about digital goods.
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>>737081206
No, the TOS always had terms that were unenforceable under EU law, it's just that nobody wanted to spend money, time and energy suing the living shit out of every video game publisher, especially if those terms never became relevant.
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>>737081190
Post the article that says ubisoft lost the lawsuit and The Crew is back online.
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>>737072074
He's out there fighting for what he believes in. He's already better than literally anyone in this thread.
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>>737080780
nothing in this seems to grant perpetual access to the continuous digital element. article 51 differs to the contract, for example, and says that it is not necessary to supply the latest version assuming the contract says so
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>>737080836
>Pretending that the problem of the stated goals of the initiatives conflicting with intellectual property doesn't exist = addressing the issue concretely
ywnbaw
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>>737081286
you shitty "licenses" don't supersede the EU consumer law you turbojew
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>>737081243
You quoted me. I'm just restating what you were quoting. The game companies are legally screwed because they sold you something forever and are trying to retroactively change that later.
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>>737081328
It has nothing to do with ToS. It's copyright law.
Like actual legality.

You own the licence but not the property, that's how it works in any civilised region including the EU.
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>>737081204
Its particularly idiotic because where the hell else does legislation work like that? If someone is doing something that is destructive and needs to be made illegal, its not incumbent on the person raising the concern to explain how ELSE the perpetrator can make money.
>Hey I think we should have a law to ban kidnapping and harvesting kids' kidneys
>Look guy I understand your frustration but you need to give a concrete definition of how else I'm meant to make money here OK I've got an international organ harvesting business that employs thousands of "americans" and is vital to the economy
You're being a menace. Stop being a menace. If you can't figure out how to run your business without being a menace, thats your problem, and evidently we'll all be better off if you CEASE running your business.
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>>737081332
Lmao the backpedaling
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>>737081376
Now go play The Crew.
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>>737081376
So what you're saying is that you're completely unaware of EU consumer law and EU copyright law.
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Qrd on how does this affect future f2p games like gacha?
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>>737081436
Huh? You can't play The Crew in EU no matter how many articles IGN writes.
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>>737081417
Ok, but what are you paying for?
"A license to use the software" doesn't mean anything, is it a product, a service or a loan?
In every case, video game publishers are violating the law in some way, or they are claiming certain things are illegal when they actually aren't.
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>>737081427
What the fuck are you even talking about?
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>>737081495
I don't think it affects gacha.
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>>737072413
>pic related
what makes the lefty retards think that we don't recognize both as problems? Even if we kill off the rich assholes, we shouldn't give shit to the shitskin immigrants after either.
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>>737080785
I'm glad that the unseriousness of this retarded initiative was on display. But I wish I could get my 72 minutes back...
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>>737081534
>Should they fail, in spite of their tricks of logic, they acted as if they could not understand the counter arguments and bolted away to another field of discussion.
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>>737081495
if they sell digital anime jpegs, they can't just put up an EoS notice and fuck you in the ass. they have to either
>release an offline version
>let you self-host the game
>patch the game so it continues to work after EoS
basically, they can't steal your money and laugh all the way to the bank anymore
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>>737081495
It would kill gacha....in eu anyway. A lot of beloved games like that horse game /v/ loves. Poof gone because of this retarded youtuber movement.
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>>737081495
As far as SKG itself is concerned, those are F2P games so they can do whatever they want.
Also gacha do have sometimes an EOS plan, even if it's just a viewer for your units and the story so it still counts for something.
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>>737078075
>>737075961
You have to understand when a first worlder says he can't get ANY job he means ANY job that:
>that pays well above min wage
>that has benefits up the ass
>that will never ask for overtime
>that will let you come in an hour late and leave an hour early
>that involves 0 actual effort, especially physical labor of any kind
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>>737081641
Stop, I'm already on board.
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>>737081508
>, but what are you paying for
A licence to play the game privately. Same with Movies, books and most media.
>is it a product, a service or a loan?
It's considered a product, obviously.
>video game publishers are violating the law in some way
The fact that you have to say "some way" instead of actually saying how says a lot about what you know, or rather, what you don't.
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>>737081639
You're going on about children's kidneys it's not a comparison to anything anyone has said here. It doesn't make any sense at all.
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>>737081695
I said in "some way" because the specific depended on wheter they were a product, a service or a loan.
Are they a product? Cool, then I should be able to sell them and they should still work no matter how much time it passes (as long as the physical support is intact).
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>>737081693
Thought you wanted to Stop Killing Games? lol mask off moment.
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>>737081651
>It would kill gacha
>games like that horse game
holy shit, really? I thought you were against SKG, not for it
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>>737081654
Lol yeah, that's what Ialways assume is the case. Finding a job in any country is pretty fucking easy unless the country itself is a literal desolate wasteland. Anons who complain about not being able to find work are either looking for a specific type of work or are full of shit.
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>>737081359
(cont) reading further and article 57 actually protects publishers having an indefinite period of time to keep the servers up. as long as they have some COA in the contract, they can shut down the servers as they want to
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>>737081828
Why did you quoted me?
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>>737081828
They want everything dead but the awful ubislop they chow down on.
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>>737080549
>EUROPEENS
lmao
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>>737081534
>>737081759
NTA but he's making a point that it's silly to ask the person that is being victimized by predatory business practices and trying to push legislation to fix it to come up with how the people preying upon them should make money after it's fixed. He's using an analogy of
>Imagine trying to pass legislation to ban [obvious evil crime] and the person doing it stonewalls the legislation by saying he couldn't make money without doing [obvious evil crime]
It's not the legislator or the petitioner's job to sort that out.
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>>737081785
>Cool, then I should be able to sell them
You can. That's considered a transfer of your licence.
>and they should still work no matter how much time it passes
Oh, you're having THAT problem.
You're under the impression that a game with DRM being unable to contact a server means it doesn't work but the reality is that it's functioning as intended.
In this context it would have to be rendered non functional, as in it won't boot they've done something to brick the game so it won't even reach the verification phase.
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>>737080549
>2 instances of actual questions about how in the world the proposal could ever be acted upon without interfering with intellectual property rights. (Never got addressed concretely)
Of course it was never going to be addressed properly, moldman and his stooges never had an answer for that because they never understood that ownership rights supersede consumer rights.
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>>737081364
i'll believe the guy with the law phd over the shit-eating currycel shill, thanks
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>>737081958
>You can. That's considered a transfer of your licence.
Pretty sure the TOS of most games say that the license is "non transferable", which is one example of it being against the EU laws.
At the very least I don't know of any way to transfer a license of a digital game to someone else (that isn't selling the entire account, which is in itself not allowed by the TOS of any online store).
>You're under the impression that a game with DRM being unable to contact a server means it doesn't work but the reality is that it's functioning as intended.
Pretty sure most judges would agree that a software that doesn't let you go past the verification phase is considered "non functional", no matter how much companies try to squirm and twist.
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>>737072074
>"Most games don't do this... B-but the big triple-A slop producers do! So PLEASE go infringe on European intellectual property rights, and fuck up tax revenue streams, in the name of protecting low IQ goyim with too much money on their hands, who can't stop buying GAAS and microtransactions!"

>"Aww, you guys did such a good job! Look at all those signatures you collected! Wow!.. I'm pretty sure my sons are gamers also, tee-hee!"
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>>737080696
>>737080846
The job of a politician isn’t to enact policy or make their country better, it’s to get elected. Same applies to lawyers and lobbyists.
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>>737082210
How does this negatively effect you?
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>>737081958
>>737082193
>but the reality is that it's functioning as intended
I suppose it would be an argument if the description of the game on the steam storefront simply said "this game crashes as soon as you double click it; $80 please"
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>>737082210
>I hate slop but will fight for the right to sell slop
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>>737082238
Thank you. That's something I forget sometimes when often the lobbiests' are actually acting to further some malicious goals of their client. I take that for granted and forget sometimes that they are ultimately just here to get paid by the hour.
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>>737082193
>the TOS
This isn't related to ToS, stop bringing up the ToS. The ToS is not legally binding and has nothing to do with the Licence, Jesus Christ man.
>Pretty sure most judges would agree that a software that doesn't let you go past the verification phase is considered "non functional", no matter how much companies try to squirm and twist.
They wouldn't, they would ask
>why can't you play the game
where the response would be
>this is copy protection software acting as intended, if the game doesn't have access to our verification software it won't pass this screen. We informed our customers of this in our ToS
To which the judge will most likely say
>in other words the actual product is not broken or damaged in any way and this was how it was sold from the start?

And no it won't be hypocritical of me to bring up the ToS because you're acting as if it's a legally binding document while I'm saying it as as a document for informing the customer of the DRM.
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>>737082257
See if the actually crashed, then you would have grounds for complaint but it doesn't. It's not technically non functional.
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>>737082563
>This game closes as soon as you open it with a return code of 0 (it didn't crash, it closed gracefully); $80 please
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>>737081787
No, I'm here to fuck corporations in the arse. I get off on it.
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>>737082246
How does it affect us positively? If something like this passes all it would mean is selling offline versions to us.
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>>737079513
You can still purchase and play a second hand copy of MK7 though.
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>>737082604
You just don't understand that it isn't actually damaged in any way, do you.
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>>737082392
I don't have a problem with simply not buying slop. And I don't have a problem with enjoying you choke on it.
If you don't have better taste in games, you should rightfully be condemned to an eternity of getting gaped by the GaaS slop you're addicted to.
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>>737082508
>The ToS is not legally binding
And here it is.
If that's the case, then why can't I transfer my digital license?
Also, you are using circular logic here: the ToS specify the DRM, which is what makes the game de facto non functional, but since the ToS is not legally binding (as in, they can't do something that isn't allowed by the law just because they say so in the ToS) I can just read the part about the DRM and their ability to make the game de facto non functional at any moment and say "If you do that, I'll sue you", click agree anyway and still the judge would rule in my favour (if I was willing to spend an ungodly amount of money and time in this).
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>>737072413
>saar my loli porn is getting censored so you have to stop SKG saar
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>>737082760
You can take that position but the first thing that will be scrutinized is what you claimed to be selling the customer at the time of sale.
If you assert its perfectly functional that the game doesn't start, and the store front shows a description of this wonderful game you built where you can run around and chop down trees, I don't really see how you can then turn around and say "Working As Intended:tm" when the game simply doesn't start.
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>>737082760
Pretty sure that would still be considered planned obsolescence, which is illegal in the EU.
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>>737082795
Jew or jeet?
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>>737082707

No more bullshit always solo game
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>>737082883
How many skins and loot boxes have you consoomed today?
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>>737083032
>saar it's important to keep scamming a profitable job
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>>737082873
It wouldn't. The idea of planned obsolescence is that it effectively has a shelf life where a customer goes out to buy a new one.
With DRM while an end can come it's not necessarily planned, they could theoretically keep it going forever.
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>>737083167
Sure, until they press the off switch.
No matter how you put it, this would be considered illegal for any product other than games.
Do you think the whole printers debacle would have gone better for HP if it wasn't the printers bricking themselves, but HP itself that pressed an off switch that instantly bricked that particular printer model for of all their customers?
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>>737082862
>and the store front shows a description of this wonderful game you built where you can run around and chop down trees, I don't really see how you can then turn around and say "Working As Intended:tm" when the game simply doesn't start.
That's where the EULA and other things of the sort comes into play. They don't exist to be legally binding but to inform customers of what is and what the drm does.
Also, speaking of storefronts many show that a game has DRM of some kind and show it to the customer before purchasing. So it would very much hold under scrutiny.
>when the game simply doesn't start.
This is what you aren't getting, the game does start. There's no boot issues, it's not non-functional.
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>>737083167
>they could theoretically keep it going forever
You can't have it both ways. You either intend (eg. plan) for the game to become unplayable at some point, in which case its planned obsolescence, or you don't, in which case when it does, its a defect.
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>>737083167
Building in a switch that makes it impossible to use the product for its intended purpose that you can flip whenever and the customer has no control over is absolutely, 100% planned obsolescence. This is like saying that it's fine if a printer company made their printers so they can send a signal out that instantly prevents them from printing, as long as the printer could still turn on. Since turning on means it's not destroyed, even though it's deliberately prevented from completing its intended purpose and what the customer clearly bought it for.

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