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>expecting these boomers to save your video games when they know nothing about video games
LMAO. this is going to backfire badly
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Remember how when these threads started getting moved to /pol/, all anti-SKG posters were indian or behind memeflags? And remember how some of those wouldn't stop spamming CP so threads would get removed? Because I remember.
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It's unfortunate that so many other more serious problems came around the same time
- Visa/Mastercard ramping up censorship
- Age verification (internet ID) laws
- Capitalism getting unsustainable as cost-of-living rises and strains proletariat
etc. Kind of made the "stop killing games" thing seem silly.
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>>737072402
He looks fine, desu. I can’t blame him for not wanting to alter his appearance entirely before the hearing since it’s probably the only thing anyone would talk about if he did. In any case, he looks perfectly respectable here.
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>>737072413
Is plebbit using watermarks now? You could be in trouble.
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>>737072649
WHO LET THE MOLD OUT!
WHO! WHO! WHO! WHO!
WHO LET THE MOLD OUT!
WHO! WHO! WHO! WHO!
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>>737072402
he looks good. Are you talking about his long hair because his facial hair is trimmed. He looks like your typical 40+ year old nerd.
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>>737072704
>even a kinda goofy looking guy can have the charisma to get shit done
Anons who complain about their looks being responsible for their many woes need to dig deeper to understand why no one likes them.
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>>737072413
>"that foreigner wants your culture to die"
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>>737072790
As an oldschool Ross fan this is all a giant mid life crisis by Ross to not address THE MOVIE stalling out.
I love the guy but thats all this really is in the end. FM2 didn't pan out well, he gets clowned on for his abandonware tier games he has to cheat in, the mold jokes. THE MOVIE was his road out of being a joke and if you have been a fan for a long time you know THE MOVIE is a pipedream. Right when Ross realized THE MOVIE was tanked he went into this hardcore. Yes, he's always been pro-consumer like this but he kicked this focus into overdrive exactly when he mentally made peace with THE MOVIE not happening.
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>>737072292
It's impressive how difficult they make discussing these topics altogether. It's as if they don't want people uniting on these issues for some reason
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>>737072889
You're bad at inference. SKG did basically flatline. It's why he made a call out video at the right time, at the right place and jumpstarted the thing all over again. If he didn't this whole thing would have died
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>>737072074
Only Jeets are surprised that Europe is taking this seriously enough that they invite the eceleb to state his opinion and asking him why he considers it a serious issue. The fact is, Ross is speaking to them on a spiritual level when he declares a desire for things to be defined with legal language that clearly defines if this is legally allowed or not with no middle ground, instead of leaving things hanging to ambiguous and vague language.
Bureaucrats love that shit.
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Holy cringe if the initiative fails I'm blaming her
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>>737072989
The comic is not pro-immigration retard, it's making fun of anti-immigration people who don't realize the capitalist ownership class is passively taking wealth generated by them.
Immigrants only want to come to western countries because of capitalism in the first place, because USD/Euro is artificially kept better than their currencies, and capitalists want immigrants because it's unironically better for the economy, as it provides cheaper slave labor with lower job security, more consumer demand, higher property values, and higher GDP.
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>>737072994
he's been talking about this for years, he's only doing it now because he saw an opportunity with the crew being shut down
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>>737072074
>OP makes thread about SKG seethe
>Anons collectively call OP a faggot
>OP and Falseflaggers ad hominem and attempt to derail
>Anons collectively call OP a faggot
>OP is so butthurt they proceed to make a new thread
I'm starting to believe that its actually industry plants at this point.
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>>737073004
>implying
This is just the nature of bureaucracy. It is a slow process even in the face of something totally obvious because there are ten billion different avenues that have to be navigated. It’s basically a digital circuit that can only be switched by human judgement. If your processor required 50 different people to make even a simple decision before it performed your request, it would take months. And even *then*, there’s still room for error.
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>>737073227
I know, he's also been talking about THE MOVIE for years. He doesn't talk about it much anymore ever notice that?
I love Ross but you know I'm right. This is the guy that moved to Poland from Pennsylvania after 1 fan emailed him. The things he does are highly autistic AND he's willing to settle immediately. This is a cover for no THE MOVIE.
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https://control.eup.glcloud.eu/content-manager/content-page/20260416-1 100-COMMITTEE-IMCO-JURI-PETI?audio= en&lang=en&logo=true&multicast=true
Here's one that's about an hour long
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>>737073641
Pathways confirms that immigrants get free housing and money, and that is a propaganda game supposed to make the government look good
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They're doing the smart thing
instead of educating boomers on how to preserve games, they're just helping the boomers understand that publishers are basically circumventing customer protection laws by way of technicalities.
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>>737073857
>free housing and money
How much exactly is the money they get and what kind of “free housing” are we talking about? Living in a room the size of a closet and getting $350 USD a month is enough to only keep a person alive. The government can easily afford millions of people under those conditions.
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>>737073857
You mean the game that tells you the government will arrest you for trying to inform yourself on social issues on the internet? That game?
I think you are underestimating just how dumb (or devious) were the bongs that made this game, and what "making the government look good" means to them.
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>>737074261
>Even as we type this now, the fungus amongus spreads it's roots deeper into the government.
WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 PETITIONS?!?
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>>737074140
>Living in a room the size of a closet
They're literally living in 4-star hotels while getting free food from the hotel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujcxEXZbaCQ
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>>737074471
Or keep them around so they do the shitty jobs that you won’t do? The government already know native Brits feel entitled to a better lifestyle than imported brown people; the pressure isn’t on (You) to go out and find a shit job to keep yourself alive.
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>>737072074
>Ross is some loser on YouTube he won't make a difference
>SKG is just some fad it won't go anywhere
>SKG will be ignored by the government it won't get any bigger
>The government is just humoring Ross, they won't do anything
>Ross doesn't understand videogames he won't be able to save them
(YOU ARE HERE)
>The government regulating games is bad they'll just mess it up
>Passing a law won't make a difference it won't come to America
>Corporations won't follow this new law passed by the American Government they'll just ignore it
>Owning games is actually a bad thing people don't know what to do with that kind of freedom
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>>737072582
this cracked me up more than it should have
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I think the reason there are so many people who are anti-SKG on /v/ is that this entire site has been programmed to not even WANT good things to happen. TORtanic was one of the worst poisons to happen to 4chan. People got a high out of laughing at failure, and ever since it's all people here can chase. The concept of good things just possibly happening is totally alien.
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>>737074585
>vague usages of terms
Retard, it's simple
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>>737074585
Most likely, yes. What really didn't help it's optics was it being slammed against 3 different global topic issues that made it come across as a bunch of autistic manchildren sperging out. I mean, that's basically what it was from the get-go but it really does shine a stark contrast on how meaningless it is when most of the European continent right now is trying to figure out how to deal with Russia and Iran having missiles that can hit any city in their continent.
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>tfw try to make a game and run out of money, have to pull the plug
>tell team to execute the EOL plan, the servers must be freed
>can't afford to pay devs to do it, they refuse and leave
>go to jail for a video game nobody plays
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>>737073186
>Immigrants only want to come to western countries because of capitalism in the first place
in america its not capitalism they are coming for, its money and a decent life because we fucked over their homeland with psyops, arming gangs and cartels, and couping their leadership. like how there was a migrant caravan of poor people from south america after we put heavier sanctions on Venezuela and dumped oil into the market to lower the cost of gas. Or how after NAFTA, it forced mexican farmers to compete against heavily subsidized american crops, so their workers went north because we basically collapsed their farming industry.
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as long as this shit hurts gacha games as much as it possibly can ill he happy
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>>737074867
The nature of anonymity lends itself to many, many retards saying many, many retarded things. Unlike Ross, however, they are speaking into a void. A thousand bad opinions doesn’t outweigh a good one. Anons making threads attempting to discredit SKG are literally just wasting time kek
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>>737074973
>Make a game with there being clear regulations on how to do it
>Can just release the server hosting software and tell people to set them up
>Don't do this cause you wanna make people's purchases useless
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You guys can't even define how you would force a company to keep a game playable save for straight up releasing the source code to host servers for the game. That's not even going into how a lot of online games need their own host server to even function properly. So what? Is every game company that releases an online game going to have to both release the source code for said game AND permanently host the server? Hell you faggots can't even define what kind of consumer protection you even fucking want from this. The bill is the legal equivalent to a 15 year old writing about how we need to stop climate change. It's empty platitudes at best and completely ineffective.
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My favorite part about this whole escapade is when the "developers" come out and
>I understand your frustration but please realise how prohibitively complicated it is for us to ship our microservice architecture backend that runs on kafka and mysql and s3 and elasticsearch and fifteen different services running in kubernetes to make it able to run on your machine
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>B-but the cheat detection!
Yeah that's the point dickhead. No one ever asked for any of this.
>B-but we have a right to-
Yeah that's why the laws are being changed.
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>>737075037
Redeem the card SAAARRRRRR!
>>737075112
By all means, keep at it. This has been the longest going shitshow with infinite salt to mine in a while. The Pirate Software vs. Mold Guy stuff was fucking hilarious. Whether it passes or not, I've already gotten a lot of joy out of it.
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>>737075150
>Take game
>Remove online features
>Replace with offline features
>Put game in public repository for others to download
I can't believe retards like you keep trying SO hard to misinterpret extremely easy concepts
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>>737073938
Upon understanding that contradiction, you now need to ask just who exactly was the one spamming CP. Was it really the Anti SKG, or was it the "Pro" SKG, spamming CP in false flag faggotry in order to make their side unquestionable on moral principle?
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>>737075253
So you are exactly like this. >>737074867
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>>737074779
Look at la-dee-da mister lawmaker over here. You don't know shit about fuck, faggot.
>>737075150
There it is. The same old tired shit repeated ad nauseam.
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>>737073529
Can also switch audio language to English and you'll get the English transcription produced by the official translators employed by the EU to transliterate for the Parliament speakers. Actual professional transliterators that are under legally binding oath to provide authentic translations - aka the anti-thesis of the common game-localizer.
Really helps in translating the German, French, Italian, Spanish, etc. and reveal that basically the entire Parliament is telling the Commission to GET THEIR FUCKING ACT TOGETHER AND LEGISLATE THIS SHIT PROPERLY.
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>>737075031
>Hard to not feel like every Stop Killing Games thread is getting brigaded as soon as it's posted.
>Every time there is a post, it's just a bunch of people criticizing the movement in the most inane way. This time, it's about his looks because... I guess that now it's getting traction, they can't say that it's going to "fail for sure" or that "Ross has no idea what he's doing".
>Comments gets better as the post ages, but the fact that it's always the first comments make me think that there are people that are solely watching for SKG posts to try to discredit the movement.
>EDIT: seems like a lot of those comments have been cleaned up by the mods now, in case you're wondering what the hell I was talking about.
That was the top comment in the latest big SKG reddit thread. The comments were a shitfest of infighting and criticism of SKG before the mods swooped in and saved the day to push the SKG agenda.
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Why is there an obvious bot in the thread?
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>>737074510
No reason for alarm. He is simply entering the natural process of 'gandalfing' - soon he will develop actual powers of magical subterfuge.
After that he will start developing the uncanny necessity to dress in all-whites, indicating an upgrade of his power levels.
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>>737072074
Who are you quoting?
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>>737075085
One of the government-reps literally cited concern over the state of affairs in mobile gaming with lootboxes, etc. to which one of the SKG legal experts replied that their home country Spain is already in an advanced state of legislating on that topic and that the EU could take a look at that material for inspiration on how to solve the issue.
So yeah- that's happening. 110%.
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>>737075341
Are you fucking retarded? Various mafia/politician's family companies get gibs to a) import migrants, b) "employ" migrants. Then the companies that employ them get tax breaks etc and they get bonuses (part of the salary or full salary for them) paid by the EU funds. Then what happens is that they "hire" migrants that obviously don't want to work, they're just there to collect the paycheck and bring it back home to Nepal/Thailand/wherever and they don't give a shit about the job. So if you have any kind of a job that isn't fucking president of the universe nepo baby bullshit job, you're forced to watch useless sacks of rotten diseased meat just sitting around and jerking off on their phones all day, who can't fucking speak any language known the man, and if you complain you're racist and they'll fire you instead (they'll never fire them because they're a source of free money). And this is in Eastern Europe that was 99.9% White until a few years ago.
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>>737074603
Not set in stone yet, even though the parliament agrees with us. This is why the poos are still in overdrive, feverishly grasping for any straws that might somehow manage to sabotage it. The final answer should come within the next 3 months, so you can expect daily spam threads for that long, reeeing about how to this is totally communism and a whole lot of other shitflinging trying to discredit it.
>>737074585
good morning sir
The terms are vague on purpose because an ECI petition is not a lawdraft and it's up to the commission to word whatever legislation that might come from this. But you already knew that you cow fucking, curry stinking cretin.
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>>737072074
Wow, he actually did it. He made it all the way to parliament. Hoping for the best.
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>>737075475
1. The SKG movement is mainly dominated by actual autistic people who don't understand how to debate or talk to people so a lot of them have just decided to use bots to flood replies and comments sections with artificial support because they don't know how to respond.
2. In their eyes, actually making movement in the legal atmosphere isn't actually the point. The point for them at this stage is to just use it as a bludgeon against anyone they boogeyman (see in this very thread how often they resort to namecalling and outright accusations.)
3. The Pirate Software controversy completely overshadowed the bill and because of that there isn't much attention or activity behind the bill beyond the aforementioned autists so they need bots to make it look like it's more popular on here than it is despite the fact that this site is mostly used by Americans and not Europeans.
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>>737072074
They're too busy trying to import 60 gorillian Indians and 60 billion dollarinos to Ukraine, what makes people think they'll give a shit about saving Ubisoft's the crew. This is like when game theory gave the Pope a copy of undertale
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>>737076113
Because they don't want you to really "vote," or "vote with your wallet," or do anything, ultimately. They want to keep fucking you in the ass, and just tell you those things, because for years, none of that stuff actually accomplished anything.
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>>737076136
The point is to break up any discussion altogether. The idea of people talking about SKG and its implications is dangerous to them. If you flood these threads with endless nonsensical shitposts no one will be able to talk about the actual topic of the thread. Whoops! mods pruned/moved it off of /v/ thats too bad
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>>737076113
They want the customer... sorry, consumer, broken and blindly spending when they tell him to, without any capacity for criticism or indipendent thought.
This goes against everything they tried to build, if the consumer dares to think he can actually change things in his favour, who knows what else he may demand!
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>remember Ross ended his career at Machinima because the company has been predatory and shitty to work with
>creator of Gman Squad and CS for Kids also uploaded a video about his shitty experiences with Machinima
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QuF7vX3b9F0
Machinima gave us the best Source creators with Ross, Djy and Xan.
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>>737076363
Not this time
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>native
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>>737074585
EU commission literally said that it being vague is a good thing and literally cites it as an example of how to correctly write an ECI in their site.
ECI is only to call point out what needs to be solved, it's supposed to be vague, the solutions discussed after are where it becomes specific.
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Tbh calling the movement stop killing games was a mistake. Should've made it more general like stop killing software, and then included shit like Adobe deleting Animate from people's license subscriptions and locking them out of their projects.
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>>737076480
If the opposition was genuine you would see actual discussion, not bad faith arguments repeated at nauseum no matter how many times it gets explained, and on Reddit you would see threads made both pro and against, not just pro threads immediately sieged by people against (almost as if to them not talking about this at all is better than talking badly).
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>>737076480
>Every time there is a post, it's just a bunch of people criticizing the movement in the most inane way. This time, it's about his looks because... I guess that now it's getting traction, they can't say that it's going to "fail for sure" or that "Ross has no idea what he's doing
Right, they disagree so hard they started shitposting about Ross' looks.
Fucking pooshills, man. How could you be so bad at your one job?
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>>737076647
Ross talked about this. He's in favor of that but he felt like taking on Adobe, Microsoft and all the other companies who have a stake in SaaS would've made this 10x harder. I think he's probably right
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>the tankie is back
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>>737076461
>95% of anti-SKG posts originate from a basement full of indians
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>>737076647
Ehh, it would have been less focused and companies like Adobe would have taken him seriously from the start.
This way you give the EU a framework to regulate all software disguised as provision for just games.
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>>737076136
It's about swaying public opinion by any means necessary, no matter how desperate.
Contrary what the memes say, some anons do have something resembling a life on the side and those anons occasionally talk to other people. Who in turn talk to other people, who... you get the idea. The poos don't want those anons to talk about SKG outside 4channel because that could give people dangerous ideas like supporting the cause so they try to drown out discussion and do whatever they can to smear it.
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>>737076678
>Right, they disagree so hard they started shitposting about Ross' looks.
No, there was plenty of real criticism in that reddit thread but like a good SKG shill he ignores it and strawmans it all into just calling Ross ugly so the mods can get to work.
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They dont. This would help them make slop. Do you genuinely think the EU would force major international game publishers to maintain servers without the industry negotiating government subsidy for it? You're going to see low budget single player games with battle passes and online connectivity more than ever because they will be milking government aid for keeping up the server. Hell, if they really hated it they would point out how many they employ to keep a server up right now and how many would be laid off with government mandates. No, they want SKG because it makes tax payers pay for their development even more than usual without any sort of guarantee of success or quality.
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>>737072413
you see it now days because of more sophisticated infrastructure, from the very beginning of the web in the 90s there have always been people with desire of control, but would not just be even if you want it... now with more centralization and more compute power they can start to make it happen
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>>737076940
>admitting to being the most shallow of failed normalfags
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>>737076946
To perform a stretching maneuver that will relieve all muscle tension prior to exercising, place your head between your legs and take a deep breath while attempting to roll forwards without tumbling. Begin breathing heavinly for a count of 20 breaths before letting go and crab walking for about 4 meters.
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God I can't wait for these old cunts to swat down this stupid entitled bullshit
I don't have strong feelings either way on software licensing, I'm just sick of all these retarded kids flooding my socials with this crap
It's "say word money stolen" levels of delusion.
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>>737073186
How does it feel to lose? Spending months and countless hours on your pitiful demoralization campaign using devide and conquer tactics (and failing) seething and foaming at the mouth, playing all sides, replying to yourself, making it political, smearing, trying to hurt innocent people you never met only to just fucking lose lol. Good prevails. And evil losers like you always lose.
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>>737076935
Yup. The good news is it's a very small leap from what SKG is doing to actually preventing some of the bullshit Adobe is doing. So if SKG gets some legal groundwork it may roll back some of the insanity of the last few decades
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>rape gangs good
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kill yourself
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>>737077092
>Show.me.their "hate for it"
>Ok, see this: Every time there is a post, it's just a bunch of people criticizing the movement in the most inane way
>so it is a bunch of shills shitposting in bad faith there too
>Nuh uh, there's legitmate criticism!
>such as....?
>Uh......IVE SPOONFED YOU ENOUGH!!!!
again, how can you curryniggers be this dogshit at your one job. Even AI can do better than this
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>>737077124
>Give me your server code!
No. It's mine. Fuck off.
>But I paid!
To run the client. This was made clear multiple times on the purchase page and in multiple agreements you signed.
>But I want to run the game without your permission! I need the server to do that!
Too bad, it's my copyrighted IP, I get to decide what happens to it. Your rights as a consumer don't trump my property rights.
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>>737076935
The gaming industry will pull all software license sellers into this as defense. If SKG thinks the gaming industry will sit back and allow only their industry to be regulated (unfair) they are very naive.
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>>737073938
Because after the thread got moved, all anti-SKG posters that kept posting were indian or under memeflags.
>>737075343
Good morning saar do not redeem the child porn basterd bitch!
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Friendly reminder that most of the good things happening in gaming now happen within communities by community-driven projects that often aren't for profit at all. Modders regularly produce better expansions for games than any official DLC, and often add features and updates to games that exceed any official remaster. Half the games that release on PC are borderline unplayable unless you consult the community-driven PC gaming wiki and download community-made mods and patches to make them function passably at all. Ship of Harkinian is a more full-featured port of OoT than Nintendo will ever produce, RE4 HD Project is a better remaster than Capcom will ever produce, RE Classic Rebirth is a better version of RE1 than Capcom will ever produce, etc. etc.
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>>737076873
Nah, semi organic sleepy autocorrect failure. Phone posting ain't my friend at this hour. It was supposed to be: "gave me second hand embarrassment". Sorry for that. At least this is 4chan not European parliament so I don't bring shame to my nation.
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you have to wait a few more seconds for it to not look like samefagging
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>>737077351
They're going to be fighting people that can spend hundreds of hours farming an item in a videogame or parsing thousands of lines of code to reverse-engineer a server. The absolute worst thing a corporate boomer can do is underestimate autism and they are supremely arrogant.
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>>737077227
Nope, didn't say that, I said that companies already pay for shills /here/, so they almost certainly also paid for shills on reddit.
On the other hand you failed to provide the "valid criticism" you claimed existed earlier.
As I said, I accept your concession.
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If these threads weren't being brigaded what would we be talking about?
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>>737077532
Sorry, I will own something and be quite happy
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>>737077471
>only le hecking based MIGAbros say nigger! we are very brave! legalize comedy!!!!
jesus christ are you actually stuck under a rock? literally everyone says this shit online when they are anonymous and left leaning people will even publicly make fun of women and other races and shit. dark woke is in, nigga
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Nigger here; why can't wypipo just get along?
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I'm sorry folks but what in god's name is """"THE MOVIE"""
Is this a video like the one he made about a game engine where you could import the assets of a game you just played (???) where he just goes on an autistic ramble session about some shit he thought would be cool?
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>>737072074
160IQ Aryan beast changing gaming history while /v/ seethes impotently about it
RossGODS how are we feeling today?
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>>737077586
>No, there was plenty of real criticism in that reddit thread but like a good SKG shill he ignores it and strawmans it all into just calling Ross ugly so the mods can get to work.
>Sure.
>Care to post some of that "legitimate criticism"?
Holy projection.
I know indians are bad at this, but this bad?
How much do they pay you, I'm curious.
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>>737077331
Your [Intellectual] Property rights are not innate, it is merely a temporary luxury granted to you as a means to an end to encourage innovation, as stated in the Copyright Clause of the US constitution.
Those rights can and should be taken away if it gets in the way of fostering innovation or consumer rights.
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>>737077747
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Post the Road Dahl quote Ross / Pirate image. "Good thoughts" or something
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>>737077728
kraut politican here
we all look like this. also, i eat currywurst
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>>737075150
>The bill is the legal equivalent to a 15 year old writing about how we need to stop climate change.
this is what i do really perceive from all of these, as games would be animals and we need to start classify them from vulnerable of extinction to stable condition
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>>737077813
>Consumer rights as I imagine them should supercede basic property rights
Congrats: you're retarded
Thankfully no politician would ever go along with that
Which is what people have been trying to tell you since the petition was first written
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>>737078047
It's not a slippery slope when the companies are saying they are going to do this shit right to your face.
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>>737078089
But Wozniak looked like a homeless man?
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i read this book too when i was young. it was pretty good. i liked the illustrations.
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>>737078124
Good thing buying a game isn't purchasing property, it's a licensing agreement
>But physical copies...
Still a licensing agreement
>>737078120
I don't think you know what the constitution is or does if you think it defines property rights
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>>737078290
>Good thing buying a game isn't purchasing property, it's a licensing agreement
>>But physical copies...
>Still a licensing agreement
i dont' care for this sentiment and will use the government to change things for my benefit
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>>737072292
remember when you weren't a bad goy?
>>737072074
it's simple:
>stop pulling the plug on video games. don't remove game modes and functionality from video games. don't take the money and run, ensure the game will remain playable after EoS
>if you insist on making games with a killswitch, state CLEARLY IN BIG BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS that it's a SUBSCRIPTION, NOT A GOOD
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>>737078089
>t. has never taken any programming-adjacent classes
Lmao what the fuck do you think nerds look like in real life, anon?
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>>737073004
Indians make money by working on remakes
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>>737078290
>buying a game isn't purchasing property, it's a licensing agreement
I love how one of the old politicians straight up called this out
>I have three kids that are avid gamers and play 20-40 € for a game + additional money for cosmetics. When the game shuts down and the publisher disallows further access, that money goes to waste and from my point of view, that's unfair, because the difference between "buying" and "licensing" at this point is semantics.
>the difference between "buying" and "licensing" at this point is semantics.
Tick fucking tock.
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>>737078361
Anon are you an idiot
Mossman isn't a tech nerd or a programmer
That's kind of part of the problem here
None of the people involved in my CS degree looked like a corpse you find in a zombie apocalypse game
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>>737078470
>None of the people involved in my CS degree looked like a corpse you find in a zombie apocalypse game
That's funny, because literally all of mine do.
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>>737078181
Just because ubisoft is the only one dumb enough to say the quiet part loud it doesn't mean the likes of EA or Activision Blizzard aren't thinking of doing the exact same thing.
Or are you dumb enough to give them the benefit of the doubt?
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>>737072074
I don't know why people want to have the government force companies to keep unprofitable games online. That's literal slavery.
How would you, as a tradesman, like it if the government mandated eternal warranties for the work you provide?
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>>737078491
Japan doesn't want you to play EoS'd games either. They call you necrophiliacs, and say it's the equivalent of rape.
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>>737078591
>this anon thinks there are living, breathing gnomes pulling knobs and levers in order to make a server function
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>>737078559
>it doesn't mean the likes of EA or Activision Blizzard
More slop producers!??? The horror!! Stop it please!
Or I'll continue not playing those "games". SKG defenders really reveal the garbage they play.
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The Article 3 of Council Directive 93/13/EEC in force since 5th of April, 1993 states the following.
>A contractual term which has not been individually negotiated shall be regarded as unfair if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties’ rights and obligations arising under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer.
>2 A term shall always be regarded as not individually negotiated where it has been drafted in advance and the consumer has therefore not been able to influence the substance of the term, particularly in the context of a pre-formulated standard contract.
>The fact that certain aspects of a term or one specific term have been individually negotiated shall not exclude the application of this Article to the rest of a contract if an overall assessment of the contract indicates that it is nevertheless a pre-formulated standard contract.
>Where any seller or supplier claims that a standard term has been individually negotiated, the burden of proof in this respect shall be incumbent on him.
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>>737078129
>nobody does because it's very vague.
its about preserving games, he stated it many times in his presentation...
this is why i came with my post like we are saving animals from extinction >>737077931
stop killing games, game preservation, lost of media... all the words hes using in his speech, like this would be a real threat to the industry, how many games out there are really worthy preservation? if the company is shutting down the servers is because the game was shit and not worthy continuing, why to care in keeping rss on continuing every game?? the only one real problem here is the scam, as he says, you buy a game, and few months later the company decides to not keep it on run, than you fuck up thanks for your money
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>>737078047
The slippery slope is only a fallacy when there isn't a logical connection (or enough causal evidence) between one event to the other. When there is, that's just basic logical deduction of cause-and-effect.
It's a common tactic to dismiss very basic understand of cause-and-effect by saying it's a slippery slope to notice that something will happen when something else happens. Using a fallacy as a bludgeon to dismiss arguments like that is a fallacy.
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Consumers aren’t expected to detail how exactly the company should fix bugs when they appear, they point out the bugs and you have to fix them.
The same applies to end of life plans. Figure it out or get fined out your ass and go out of business.
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I just don't at all trust that this isn't going to lead to some absolutely hamfisted legislation that tags-on shit that nobody was asking for, and makes the industry worse in the long run.
It's not the SKG movement I have a problem with. It's the EU. They have a long history of wanting to meddle with and control electronic communications. Video games are no exception.
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>>737078690
>It's just The Crew
>It's just Ubisoft
>It's just Ubisoft, Activision, and EA...
Literally no self-preservation instincts. If you were in a line up, with guys next to you all getting shot in the head, you'd have no capacity to comprehend that you're up next.
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>>737078690
They are publishers, anon, not developers.
At any point, they can buy out the devs of every game you liked and turn it into a Live Service.
Or even forcing games that already exist to need an online connection to a server they might shut down.
You don't hate them enough.
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>>737078715
>how many games out there are really worthy preservation?
not
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companies don't get to decide that
the consumer do
if one lone dumbass in the middle of arizona desert decides he wants to play a game he bought, he should not be subject the the developer's whim as if and when he's able to
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>>737078875
I am very handsome in real life and I believe Ross should hire me to represent him.
Surely having a very handsome person will silence the idiots on the internet instead of cause them to find another angle to discredit me.
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>>737078916
I'll take that over corporations raping videogames into the ground with no recourse. People had already tried less intrusive things. In best case scenario, you just get ignored. In worst case scenario, they drag you to court for trying to revive a dead game and destroy your life.
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>>737078470
>None of the people involved in my CS degree looked like a corpse you find in a zombie apocalypse game
Literally90% of the CS and engineering professor I had in university a decade ago looked like either Ross Scott, Bill Gates, or an Indian version of either.
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>>737078941
Oh yeah!? Well... y-you too!
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The EU went out of their way to make their upcoming EU age verification as transparent and anonymous as they can with zero knowledge proofs and open source code, instead of forcing you to share your ID/face with private companies and get fucked once their data gets leaked, so the EU is more tech-savvy than they might seem desu.
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>>737078715
>if the company is shutting down the servers is because the game was shit and not worthy continuing, why to care in keeping rss on continuing every game??
I like how the butthurt poos are trying to switch it up to sound reasonable now but still cant hide the fact that they're supporting corpotations taking paid-for games away
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>You'll own something and be happy
>>NOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>737078715
>why to care in keeping rss on continuing every game?
I thought the babel media was a meme but damn, it really is smelly indians shitting up these threads
t. work with these curryniggers, one of whom talks exactly like this
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I really don't find it difficult to hate both niggers and the (((rich))). I don't think they are mutually exclusive at all.
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lmao that shut him right the fuck up.
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How would SKG apply to console servers?
For instance, in 2024 Nintendo shut down the 3DS/Wii U online servers so you can't play games like Mario Kart 7 or SSB Ultimate online anymore.
How would the law force them to comply with SKG's principles if it passed? They would be forced to host 3DS/Wii U online servers indefinitely? They would be forced to let people host freely-accessible private servers?
All the conversation around SKG seems to be centred solely around PC gaming with no attention paid to how this could screw over consoles.
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>>737079251
>license
licenses don't supersede the law. stop selling defective goods you turbojew
furthermore, you don't need a license to use software (copyright doesn't cover the "right to experience a work") you turbojew
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>>737079328
>All the conversation around SKG seems to be centred solely around PC gaming with no attention paid to how this could screw over consoles.
Because consoles are walled gardens and you agree to bend over at their behest.
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>>737079328
samefagging aside, you still dont know what SKG is about if you think its about forcing the publisher to keep the servers online forever
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>>737079121
I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that the EU actually gave a shit to make their solution actually just about age verification with as little sharing of private, identifiable data as possible, while boomers in the land of the free will want you to send your government ID and face scans to Israel to protect the keedz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet
I don't think a government body that knows what a "zero knowledge proof" is, that then goes out of their way to have code transparency, is anything but "tech illiterate boomers".
Meanwhile the traitorous farts in the Congress would gladly sell your soul to Israel or FAANG and not give two shits about your privacy because they got paid off so fuck you and your rights.
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>>737079103
its clearly that SKG is againts ubisoft and other big ones, but the parliament dont understand about this, they can come with something that could affect indies and mid size studios that wanted to start their games with online services
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>>737079428
The goal of SKG is to allow for some preservation of the content you purchased to persist. Ross has talked about this. Games like Dark Spore, which were primarily single-player, just got taken offline for no reason other than they were online as a form of DRM.
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>>737079382
So what about the shut down of online stores then?
You can no longer purchase Mario Kart 7 officially anymore because the 3DS online storefront is shut down, and new physical copies are no longer produced.
I don't see how this works for consoles without either:
1. The EU forces them to host storefronts for defunct consoles forever.
or
2. The EU basically forces them to let people pirate delisted games via some official method.
It just sounds absurd.
SKG is more straight-forward for PCs because Steam is an eternal storefront, but it doesn't work that way on consoles.
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>>737078290
>I don't think you know what the constitution is or does if you think it defines property rights
It defines intellectual property rights. Copyright and patents are legally justified by this line in the Consitution:
>To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
Emphasis on "to promote the progress of science and useful arts" (IE: the purpose of IP rights is to promote innovation and the public, not to enrich or protect the rights of authors) and "securing for limited times to authors and inventors" (IE: IP rights are GRANTED to authors as a privilege to achieve the formerly stated goal, it is not an innate right of the author to control their intellectual works)
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>>737079495
>they can come with something that could affect indies and mid size studios that wanted to start their games with online services
The same poor indies and mid size studios that cant afford to program these obsolesence measures in the first place? Those games?
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>>737079553
That's not in Brussels.
That's in Finland.
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>>737079534
How can they possibly know in advance how long servers will be viable for though?
If you launch a console, you don't know how successful it's going to be long-term. A console that sells 150+ million units like the Switch 1 will obviously have online servers going for decades, but the Wii U was not viable to keep up for such a length of time when it flopped hard.
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>>737079495
Give me an example of an indie that would be hurt by this.
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>>737075071
>in america its not capitalism they are coming for, its money
Yeah bro, tell them
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>>737079731
>the bill is just about games being shutdown
So what, specifically, counts as a game being "shut down"?
If the online servers are closed, but the game is still purchasable in some form, is that allowed?
If the game is no longer officially purchasable, but you can acquire it via second-hand means (eg. A used physical copy), is that allowed?
If the game is only available digitally, and is delisted, but can still be played offline in some form by those who own it, is that allowed?
Nobody has really done a good enough job of making things clear. Half the people in these threads talk as if SKG is going to make delisting games illegal, or that devs will be forced to make all their source code freely available if they dare delist a game.
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ngl I didn't expect someone on the parliament to say that he liked the initiative because his grandchildren are gamers
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>>737074661
> Or keep them around so they do the shitty jobs that you won’t do?
I'm convinced this is a meme. There's plenty of people looking for jobs in almost every sector. The only reason someone can't find employees is if they're going to underpay, overwork and treat them like shit.
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what none of you stupid faggots realize is that this isnt really even a video gaming issue
its a predatory business issue
take SKG and replace the word 'games' with literally any other product in the WORLD and it makes complete and total sense to vidya-ignorant boomers just fine
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>If the online servers are closed, but the game is still purchasable in some form, is that allowed?
Yes.
>If the game is no longer officially purchasable, but you can acquire it via second-hand means (eg. A used physical copy), is that allowed?
Yes.
>If the game is only available digitally, and is delisted, but can still be played offline in some form by those who own it, is that allowed?
Yes.
>Nobody has really done a good enough job of making things clear. Half the people in these threads talk as if SKG is going to make delisting games illegal
No, you randomly started talking about that to muddle the conversation, or are ESL, and confused. Or more likely, you are a tired shill, echoing the exact same talking points you've been echoing for years.
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>>737079569
>The constitution defines IP rights
Jesus christ you're stupid.
The passage you mentioned gives congress the right to legislate IP law, it doesn't define jack shit. Defining it is literally congress' job which is what this clause is saying.
To reiterate: you do not know what the constitution is or does.
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>>737072413
Actually, considering how many young people today are demoralized and have little faith in the institutions, giving them a win like this and making them see that sometimes the democratic process actually works would be a big morale boost that would be useful to fight these other issues.
Ultimately, you need people to both care and believe they can make a difference.
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>>737079905
>an artist absolutely has the right to destroy their own work
Anon, are you dumb? If an artist sold his work then he loses the right to destroy it. So if those corpos want to destroy their vidogames they should not be selling them. Seriously sometimes i question if there are genuine retards posting on /v/. Your arguments and reasoning are so stupid, no way you're normal in the head.
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>>737079754
i cant say it, there are not clear rules yet, the movement just says we want to prevent game to be killed, but not even they have stated how to make it, "we are open to solutions"... but what if those "solutions" turn to be harmful to some studios,
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>>737080056
So what, exactly, does SKG propose to forbid via law?
Are we talking solely about cases like, for instance, Concord or Highguard shutting down while having no offline mode and thus making the games into useless bricks?
If that's the case then I don't see why people are so invested in this or why they are making it out to be more "revolutionary" than it actually is.
The way people are talking about SKG makes me think they want to fuck with a lot more than just live-service games, though.
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>>737080038
I would say that this is specifically a software issue.
However even boomers these days are starting to understand how shitty the practices around software can be, and how disastrous would be if allowed to run unchecked (see, the car example they said during the hearing).
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>>737080074
It provides the justification and purpose of those rights, and in so doing it explains that those rights don't exist for the sake of authors and it is not an innate right
Those rights can and should be revoked or changed to better fulfill the line in the constitution or for consumer rights.
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>>737080202
>Are we talking solely about cases like, for instance, Concord or Highguard shutting down while having no offline mode and thus making the games into useless bricks?
Yes. That's it. It's to stop fucking killing games that you purchased. You purchased Overwatch 1 years back? Well it's gone and deleted. Replaced with Overwatch 2, which had worse, more predatory monetization schemes. There to fuck you over.
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>>737080214
No, the artist sold me a painting and now he is triggered about me owning it and wants to sneak into my house to burn it down. Rightfully, I will tell him to fuck off and if he persists in his attempts, I will call the police. He's been at it for the last twenty years, so it's long past time I called the cops.
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>>737080202
SKG is basically gamergate without Barr steering the disembodied anger of the mass of retards
They all have their own interpretation of what the demands are and what the requirements are to meet those demands.
They're just very sad very dumb kids with no tangible cause they can impact and this makes them feel like they're activists and part of a group.
It's very sad.
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>>737080320
correct, he bought a license to play the game and now you are denying him from using the license he paid for
you are all going to get sued very soon by the way, I can see why you are shilling against SKG so hard
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>>737080374
No, I bought a product. The artist says I bought a license because a pre-negotiated contract he keeps waving around says that I had, a contract that I never signed and whose terms are unfair and null and void under EU law. Try again.
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>>737080284
>You purchased Overwatch 1 years back? Well it's gone and deleted. Replaced with Overwatch 2, which had worse, more predatory monetization schemes.
This feels like a weird example to me. Overwatch 2 wasn't really a sequel, more like a major update to the game.
How does this not become a slippery-slope towards "devs must maintain a version of every specific iteration of the game to not fall foul of SKG laws"?
What about World of Warcraft where each expansion substantially changes the game, changes features, changes mechanics, introduces new monetisation, etc?
Are Blizzard now forced to host servers for every separate expansion of WoW so people don't "lose access" to the expansions they bought?
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>>737079939
yes, i agreed, the proposal i just about "please stop killing my favorite games" and thats why i said, this seems dumb, like a child writing a letter of how we should stop climate changing without affecting all our lifestyle, and even worse, Ross just says, here is the problem, and what is the solution, well, we opened to hear them... hes not being serious here
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>>737080243
>It provides...
No. Stopped reading there.
It gives congress the right to define IP laws over states.
You don't understand what the constitution is or what it does.
Stop replying to me. I've hit my quota for talking to confident retards that try to google arguments to make.
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>>737080161
>So if those corpos want to destroy their vidogames they should not be selling them
Konami acquired Hudson just to get rid of compettion, as far as we know, apparently, they just destroyed the source code of pretty much everything except bomberman
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>>737080374
Nah, that's not how licences work. Even digital ones. At least not in the EU. This type of faggotry might be allowed in the USA or in Japan but in the EU digital licences are owned and can even be resold and can also be added to someones will and be inherited.
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>>737080195
Those solutions are left for the devs to decide.
And since it wouldn't be retroactive and they would be able to take it into account since the beginning of their development process, I really don't see the issue.
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>>737078916
Hard to even claim its a problem with the EU.
The democratic experiment was a mistake. "Capitalism" was also a mistake. I don't mean capitalism as in the concept of property and the ability to exchange things which existed for ten thousand years before any of the languages the word "capitalism" is spoken in. I mean capitalism in terms of the concept that an entire society should revolve around accruing capital.
I am curious what exact joke it will lead to though. Occam's razor says probably some advisory thing like how the world at large is okay with not owning things as long as you tell the person giving you money that ACKSHUALLY they don't own the thing they paid for. Or maybe some legislation which on paper appears to submit to the demands SKG makes but in practice has too many loopholes to be enforce-able.
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>>737080418
>Overwatch 2 wasn't really a sequel
IT HAS A FUCKING "2" ON IT, YOU DIPSHIT. The original was taken offline, a paid for game. And then for a short period, there was no Overwatch. Like, a week or two. Then the sequel came out, with new monetization policies.
>Are Blizzard now forced to host servers for every separate expansion of WoW so people don't "lose access" to the expansions they bought?
No, because that content is still in the game.
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2 instances of actual questions about how in the world the proposal could ever be acted upon without interfering with intellectual property rights. (Never got addressed concretely)
65 minutes of cringe boomers talking about them having heard of video games existing from their kids. And ofc pic related launching into le epic ledditor baiting...
>"I TOOK AN ARROW TO THE KNEE, AND THE CAKE IS LITERALLY A LIE GUYZ! LOL MY BOOMER COLLEAGUES FOR SURE DIDN'T GET THE EPIC VIDEO GAME REFERENCES XDDD"
This shit was never serious...
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>>737080418
Youe entire post depends on this
>Overwatch 2 wasn't really a sequel, more like a major update to the game
premise which is a lie from the start.
Expansions are irrelevant. What you consider as "major updates" is irrelevant. The game you paid for must be playable after EoS.
Is overwatch 1 playable after EoS? No.
You can stop trying to deflect and weasel in retarded strawmen now.
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>>737080492
What box you doublenigger?
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Now that's just EVIL!
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>>737080374
That's an extreme oversimplification and you know it. Spelling out the reasons why will take some effort, so unless you genuinely believe what you say to be true (which I don't think you do), I won't spend my time spelling it out for you.
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>>737080446
No, the value of the game is in the product that is sold to me. Service access, if considered a necessity for the product's correct function is guaranteed to me by law. You really have no idea what you're talking about, are you?
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>>737072413
No one whose time worth more than $3/h gives a fuck about an obscure racing game shutting down servers. Its just autistic hyperfixation, just like how reddit refuses to admit how most devs are asset flipping indians and lib trannies, and blames a shitty horse armor to this day.
Just like GG it fails to adress the greater problem, as it hyperfixated on whore sleeping with game reviewers.
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>>737080552
>Expansions are irrelevant. What you consider as "major updates" is irrelevant. The game you paid for must be playable after EoS.
Ok.
So in 2008 I paid for Team Fortress 2 at full price. The TF2 I played back then no longer exists. There are heaps upon heaps of new weapons, balance changes, predatory monetisation, etc which fundamentally changed the TF2 I bought into a new game. It is as different from the original TF2 as Overwatch 2 was to Overwatch 1.
Are Valve now obligated to host their own original TF2 servers officially to let me play the game I bought back in 2008?
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>>737080501
The grey area has always been to the advantage of corporations, since they can gaslight the consumer to what is legal/illegal to their convenience.
The instant the nature of games as something that can be sold is precisely defined, they will need to deal to all the legal requirements and the consumer rights specific for that thing.
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I am surprised that games industry would fight so hard against this when so many of them are moving to free to play service games anyway.
I mean they're probably fighting it on principle I suppose. Still its funny that they could just as easily go "sure thing ross. If you pay for a game you will get to play it forever" and proceed to exclusively make free to play always online thinly veiled online casinos.
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>>737080418
NTA but live service games based on subscriptions are exempt because the nature of a subscription has different legal precedent than purchasing outright.
At best what the movement wants is every game you buy going forward, (already made games are exempt) to have a baked in offline mode and at worse to have a big WE CAN TURN OFF THE GAME AT ANY POINT WE WANT AFTER XX/XX/XXX DATE across anything selling the product as to warn consumers, with a "we are shutting down the game here are the files to run your own server if you want" somewhere in between.
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>>737080658
Yes because we all know every lawsuit is successful! lol
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>>737080663
>Are Valve now obligated to host their own original TF2 servers officially to let me play the game I bought back in 2008?
No, because in TF2 you can host your own servers.
Valve could shut down any official support for TF2 tomorrow and they would be just fine even by SKG standards.
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>>737080719
I am a developer.
The demands are perfectly reasonable and easily actionable. Any developer saying otherwise is hiding something. Developers don't need to be told how to meet the demands anymore than they need to be told how to prevent their shit from leaking peoples' credit card details.
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>>737080549
>This shit was never serious
Anon these petitions are the equivalent of Obama's WH online petitions
They're grievance outlets not real policy making
Other petitions in the program are shit like "make all the schoolteachers christian"
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>>737080663
>Are Valve now obligated to host their own original TF2 servers officially to let me play the game I bought back in 2008?
>>737080418
>Are Blizzard now forced to host servers for every separate expansion of WoW so people don't "lose access" to the expansions they bought?
All of this is pointless because that's not what SKG is trying to do. Nothing about it is trying to force publishers/developers to host servers indefinitely. They just need to provide customers with the tools or ability to host their own servers, or to create an offline mode. Which is perfectly reasonable. And it's entirely possible, as shown by the fact that it can be done with games with server structure as complicated as MMOs, even without developers providing the tools.
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>>737080776
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>>737080663
Even if you ignore the fact that TF2 has always allowed you to host your own servers, it has an official SDK released. There's literally nothing preventing you from playing a recreation of launch TF2 if you so cared to.
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>>737080696
There are a lot of videogame publisher lawyers who want to fight this since that would gain them extra paychecks. People fighting this don't sell or make games. This is why lawyers are cancer. I am sure that there are other beancounters and paperpushers in videogame publishing that think of this as a way to make a few bucks by convincing the dumb CEO that he needs to pay them extra so they can fight this in his name.
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>>737080521
>Those solutions are left for the devs to decide.
they will just decide what is more convenience to the road map they planted for their games... i can promise i will keep the game for at least one year, tho, by keeping it i just means to keep the basic game and not major updates will be release... another one just directly decides to release the game and leave it for other party to keep it running as a fan game with no profits for any side
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>>737080850
I'd prefer if the people trying to get a law passed showed even a slight interest in what their demands would practically entail.
If someone hasn't done that and shows no interest in it that tells me they are unserious about the issue and their opinion cannot be trusted.
Who would write a law based on the words of someone that admits they are uninformed and wish to remain so?
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>>737080916
You are both doing pointless argumens since there are timed and perpetual lincences. Videogames don't have timed licenses or publisher would be required by law to put that on the game box or store page.
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>>737072074
>LMAO. this is going to backfire badly
lord volkha, is that you?
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>>737080916
I disagree
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>>737081039
>Videogames don't have timed licenses or publisher would be required by law to put that on the game box or store page.
What you call a "perpetual license" I call a good that I own. From my point of view licensing requires some service being provided by the publisher yet many games are not supported any longer and I still own them. I already said that since there is no stated expiry, they cannot strip me of something they sold me.
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>>737080663
>Picks TF2 the game that lets you host your own servers
Ok, this is stupid. This better have a good punchine
>It is as different from the original TF2 as Overwatch 2 was to Overwatch 1.
>Brought up tf2 updates to pretend OW2 is not a sequel that replaced OW1
Lmao. Get a better premise, this "OW2 is a major update!" spiel is never going to work
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>>737081126
https://www.ign.com/articles/ubisofts-the-crew-lawsuit-insists-we-do-n ot-own-the-games-we-buy
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>>737080776
yes, i dont need to know how you are going to fix it, but just leave it to the devs, whilst being the devs the one that decided how and when and under what terms to hut down the game is the problem...
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>>737080997
Nah, there's at least two shills that use recycled rhetoric with very easily recognizable posting styles. They have a bunch of talking points they cycle through. One of them posts in lowercase and is a low tier troll that resorts to mocking or baiting people and resorting to insults. The other tries to make more higher brow analogies (that are still retarded) and makes weak attempts at legalese, without knowing anything about EU law.
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>>737080161
>If an artist sold his work then he loses the right to destroy it.
You'd have a point if it were one singular object but selling multiple as a licence gives them full control of the property and they can destroy it if they want to. It's not up to you.
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>>737081206
No, the TOS always had terms that were unenforceable under EU law, it's just that nobody wanted to spend money, time and energy suing the living shit out of every video game publisher, especially if those terms never became relevant.
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>>737080780
nothing in this seems to grant perpetual access to the continuous digital element. article 51 differs to the contract, for example, and says that it is not necessary to supply the latest version assuming the contract says so
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>>737081204
Its particularly idiotic because where the hell else does legislation work like that? If someone is doing something that is destructive and needs to be made illegal, its not incumbent on the person raising the concern to explain how ELSE the perpetrator can make money.
>Hey I think we should have a law to ban kidnapping and harvesting kids' kidneys
>Look guy I understand your frustration but you need to give a concrete definition of how else I'm meant to make money here OK I've got an international organ harvesting business that employs thousands of "americans" and is vital to the economy
You're being a menace. Stop being a menace. If you can't figure out how to run your business without being a menace, thats your problem, and evidently we'll all be better off if you CEASE running your business.
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>>737081417
Ok, but what are you paying for?
"A license to use the software" doesn't mean anything, is it a product, a service or a loan?
In every case, video game publishers are violating the law in some way, or they are claiming certain things are illegal when they actually aren't.
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>>737080785
I'm glad that the unseriousness of this retarded initiative was on display. But I wish I could get my 72 minutes back...
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>>737081495
if they sell digital anime jpegs, they can't just put up an EoS notice and fuck you in the ass. they have to either
>release an offline version
>let you self-host the game
>patch the game so it continues to work after EoS
basically, they can't steal your money and laugh all the way to the bank anymore
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>>737081495
As far as SKG itself is concerned, those are F2P games so they can do whatever they want.
Also gacha do have sometimes an EOS plan, even if it's just a viewer for your units and the story so it still counts for something.
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>>737075961
You have to understand when a first worlder says he can't get ANY job he means ANY job that:
>that pays well above min wage
>that has benefits up the ass
>that will never ask for overtime
>that will let you come in an hour late and leave an hour early
>that involves 0 actual effort, especially physical labor of any kind
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>>737081508
>, but what are you paying for
A licence to play the game privately. Same with Movies, books and most media.
>is it a product, a service or a loan?
It's considered a product, obviously.
>video game publishers are violating the law in some way
The fact that you have to say "some way" instead of actually saying how says a lot about what you know, or rather, what you don't.
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>>737081695
I said in "some way" because the specific depended on wheter they were a product, a service or a loan.
Are they a product? Cool, then I should be able to sell them and they should still work no matter how much time it passes (as long as the physical support is intact).
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>>737081654
Lol yeah, that's what Ialways assume is the case. Finding a job in any country is pretty fucking easy unless the country itself is a literal desolate wasteland. Anons who complain about not being able to find work are either looking for a specific type of work or are full of shit.
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>>737081359
(cont) reading further and article 57 actually protects publishers having an indefinite period of time to keep the servers up. as long as they have some COA in the contract, they can shut down the servers as they want to
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>>737080549
>EUROPEENS
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>>737081759
NTA but he's making a point that it's silly to ask the person that is being victimized by predatory business practices and trying to push legislation to fix it to come up with how the people preying upon them should make money after it's fixed. He's using an analogy of
>Imagine trying to pass legislation to ban [obvious evil crime] and the person doing it stonewalls the legislation by saying he couldn't make money without doing [obvious evil crime]
It's not the legislator or the petitioner's job to sort that out.
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>>737081785
>Cool, then I should be able to sell them
You can. That's considered a transfer of your licence.
>and they should still work no matter how much time it passes
Oh, you're having THAT problem.
You're under the impression that a game with DRM being unable to contact a server means it doesn't work but the reality is that it's functioning as intended.
In this context it would have to be rendered non functional, as in it won't boot they've done something to brick the game so it won't even reach the verification phase.
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>>737080549
>2 instances of actual questions about how in the world the proposal could ever be acted upon without interfering with intellectual property rights. (Never got addressed concretely)
Of course it was never going to be addressed properly, moldman and his stooges never had an answer for that because they never understood that ownership rights supersede consumer rights.
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>>737081958
>You can. That's considered a transfer of your licence.
Pretty sure the TOS of most games say that the license is "non transferable", which is one example of it being against the EU laws.
At the very least I don't know of any way to transfer a license of a digital game to someone else (that isn't selling the entire account, which is in itself not allowed by the TOS of any online store).
>You're under the impression that a game with DRM being unable to contact a server means it doesn't work but the reality is that it's functioning as intended.
Pretty sure most judges would agree that a software that doesn't let you go past the verification phase is considered "non functional", no matter how much companies try to squirm and twist.
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>"Most games don't do this... B-but the big triple-A slop producers do! So PLEASE go infringe on European intellectual property rights, and fuck up tax revenue streams, in the name of protecting low IQ goyim with too much money on their hands, who can't stop buying GAAS and microtransactions!"
>"Aww, you guys did such a good job! Look at all those signatures you collected! Wow!.. I'm pretty sure my sons are gamers also, tee-hee!"
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>>737080846
The job of a politician isn’t to enact policy or make their country better, it’s to get elected. Same applies to lawyers and lobbyists.
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>>737082193
>but the reality is that it's functioning as intended
I suppose it would be an argument if the description of the game on the steam storefront simply said "this game crashes as soon as you double click it; $80 please"
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>>737082238
Thank you. That's something I forget sometimes when often the lobbiests' are actually acting to further some malicious goals of their client. I take that for granted and forget sometimes that they are ultimately just here to get paid by the hour.
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>>737082193
>the TOS
This isn't related to ToS, stop bringing up the ToS. The ToS is not legally binding and has nothing to do with the Licence, Jesus Christ man.
>Pretty sure most judges would agree that a software that doesn't let you go past the verification phase is considered "non functional", no matter how much companies try to squirm and twist.
They wouldn't, they would ask
>why can't you play the game
where the response would be
>this is copy protection software acting as intended, if the game doesn't have access to our verification software it won't pass this screen. We informed our customers of this in our ToS
To which the judge will most likely say
>in other words the actual product is not broken or damaged in any way and this was how it was sold from the start?
And no it won't be hypocritical of me to bring up the ToS because you're acting as if it's a legally binding document while I'm saying it as as a document for informing the customer of the DRM.
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>>737082392
I don't have a problem with simply not buying slop. And I don't have a problem with enjoying you choke on it.
If you don't have better taste in games, you should rightfully be condemned to an eternity of getting gaped by the GaaS slop you're addicted to.
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>>737082508
>The ToS is not legally binding
And here it is.
If that's the case, then why can't I transfer my digital license?
Also, you are using circular logic here: the ToS specify the DRM, which is what makes the game de facto non functional, but since the ToS is not legally binding (as in, they can't do something that isn't allowed by the law just because they say so in the ToS) I can just read the part about the DRM and their ability to make the game de facto non functional at any moment and say "If you do that, I'll sue you", click agree anyway and still the judge would rule in my favour (if I was willing to spend an ungodly amount of money and time in this).
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>>737082760
You can take that position but the first thing that will be scrutinized is what you claimed to be selling the customer at the time of sale.
If you assert its perfectly functional that the game doesn't start, and the store front shows a description of this wonderful game you built where you can run around and chop down trees, I don't really see how you can then turn around and say "Working As Intended:tm" when the game simply doesn't start.
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>>737082873
It wouldn't. The idea of planned obsolescence is that it effectively has a shelf life where a customer goes out to buy a new one.
With DRM while an end can come it's not necessarily planned, they could theoretically keep it going forever.
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>>737083167
Sure, until they press the off switch.
No matter how you put it, this would be considered illegal for any product other than games.
Do you think the whole printers debacle would have gone better for HP if it wasn't the printers bricking themselves, but HP itself that pressed an off switch that instantly bricked that particular printer model for of all their customers?
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>and the store front shows a description of this wonderful game you built where you can run around and chop down trees, I don't really see how you can then turn around and say "Working As Intended:tm" when the game simply doesn't start.
That's where the EULA and other things of the sort comes into play. They don't exist to be legally binding but to inform customers of what is and what the drm does.
Also, speaking of storefronts many show that a game has DRM of some kind and show it to the customer before purchasing. So it would very much hold under scrutiny.
>when the game simply doesn't start.
This is what you aren't getting, the game does start. There's no boot issues, it's not non-functional.
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>>737083167
>they could theoretically keep it going forever
You can't have it both ways. You either intend (eg. plan) for the game to become unplayable at some point, in which case its planned obsolescence, or you don't, in which case when it does, its a defect.
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>>737083167
Building in a switch that makes it impossible to use the product for its intended purpose that you can flip whenever and the customer has no control over is absolutely, 100% planned obsolescence. This is like saying that it's fine if a printer company made their printers so they can send a signal out that instantly prevents them from printing, as long as the printer could still turn on. Since turning on means it's not destroyed, even though it's deliberately prevented from completing its intended purpose and what the customer clearly bought it for.