Man, Malwrath was a joke of a fight compared to what I had to go through to get to him.
Dude died in two attacks.

>>555117075
Oh, it appears I missed Xenlon entirely. I was thinking he was locked behind a second postgame.

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Abused savestates on the the Don Mole boss fight a bunch to test some some shit on 8 3DS after the conversation last thread >>554981282
Savestated a bunch on the Don Mole fight to test this stuff since he seemed like a good punching bag.
Everyone had the best weapons I could give them from Alchemy at that point
-Jessica: No buffs, Twin Dragon Lash 50-55 damage
-Jessica: 50 Tension, Twin Dragon Lash 336 Damage
-Jessica: Crackle 45 damage, with Divine Intervention 65 damage
-Jessica: Frizzle 50-70 damage, with Divine Intervention around 90 damage
-Yangus: No buffs, Parallax 55 damage
-Yangus: Oomph, Parallax 110-120 damage
-Yangus: Oomph + 20 Tension, Parallax 364 damage
-Hero: No buffs, Multithrust 55-70 damage
-Hero: 20 tension, Multithrust 4 hits ~200 damage

The main problem is Divine Intervention gets resisted a lot which is annoying. Would be less setup than tension boosting if it just worked normally.
According to random retards on the internet the nerfed Twin Dragon Lash has the same damage multiplier as the buffed final Knife move but I'm many skill points away from being able to compare that.

>>555129987
According to the wiki nothing resists DI, it just has a fixed hit rate. Also, SD is strong because it apparently inherits weapon properties including stuff like the Icicle Dirk's +50% Crack Damage.

>>555134075
This child has bigger boobs than Serena or Anlucia. I predict she'll be a turbo titty monster when she's older

>>555134272
Drawfags, please! I can pay you in exposure.

>>555126723
Did they?

>>555129987
did I make a mistake by going for fans instead of knives on red? fandango is disappointing and her 100 roguery skill seems to do way more damage.

>>555144616
Fans give her Kazing so it's not bad
Blade Cascade is really strong though

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>uncle walt found before dragon quest 12

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Damn, you guys are struggling staying on the board. You know what could really help this general out?

Horse Pu--

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>>555157812
Nigga no

>>555157812
>Horse Pu--
プリンセス

>>555157812
>Horse Pu--
Purincess?

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I still prefer Jessica.

>>555159263
oh goodess don't do this to me

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>>555159263
>

>>555144616
Red gets Blade Cascade and Morrie does 100 Clubs/88 Passion.

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No dying.

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>>555159263

I want to play a dragon quest game but I am stupid and pokemon taught me that using skills other than straight up attacks is pointless so I keep getting fucked up in dq1,2,3 remakes. Please help cure my stupid brain.

Instead of changing DQ's battle system they should do a first person dungeon crawler spinoff with the exact same battle system from the main series

>>555158172
Frau Blücher!

What happened here, when dq 1+2 hd remake were a couple weeks away this place was busy, now its like a ghost town but 7 remake is like 2 weeks away.

>>555201376
7 remake looks bad

I have 2 orichalcums left in dq8 right before the final dungeon I think. I already used 2 to make a goddess ring and a sage stone. should I make a meteorite bracer, some metal slime equips, or just more goddess rings?

>>555182740
Status moves are overpowered as shit in Pokemon what are you talking about.
The NPC trainers especially can't deal with shit like swords dance or spikes.

>>555205689
Bracer is good for forcing someone to be first in the turn order

>>555207164
I don't know if that's important or not. what I've been doing is having hero alternate between psyche up and falcon slash while morrie uses intenso on him and red and jessica kind of do whatever because I built them wrong. morrie is faster than hero so the falcon slash always comes out at 20 or 50 tension.

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>>555208470
Makes sure your heals always go off before someone at low HP gets smacked or if you want buffs or big AOEs to go off before anyone else can move
For the rest of the orchalcum just don't make Metal King Armor cause its breath protection is a big downgrade compared to the Liquid Metal element damage protection

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DQII is 39 years old.

/dqg/ posters are 39 years old.

>>555209369
I’m 25. 4 hours into the new demo, It’s great

>>555205689
Two timbrels of tension are the single most important thing you can craft in DQ8.

>>555209369
Slowdown, i'm only 37

>>555223785
iirc you can't get a second sun crown until after the credits
But definitely hold on to the materials for a second one

>>555209369
28 actually, though my body feels 40

>>555209369
and bald

>>555201376
7 remake looks divisive

>>555244630
As long as someone mods out the shitty screen vignetting on PC I'll play it at some point.

>>555247894
?

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>>555201376
I dislike HD2D (at least the way the DQ remakes do it) and I'm not really interested in remakes, so I've had less incentive to post here as often.
These days I'm more focused on going back and playing interesting RPGs I never played before.
I'm on the fence as to whether I should get the DQ7 remake (I'm curious to see the changes myself as I've only played the PS1 version), but really all I want is to see DQ12.

>>555201376
DQ7 was always the most divisive game, and this remake is even moreso.

>>555201376
Well we had VIIR to speculate about before I+II HD released.

>>555244630
So did 1+2 and 3 before it. Especially 3.

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Do you think the simulation made him live out the full 10 uears of slavery in seemingly real time?

How about all that time as a statue? Was he conscious and aware of everything?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci-wjJWNYV8

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>dragon ball super back before dragon quest 12

>>555268335
That's fine, I still want to catch up on DQ titles I missed

>>555270050
im just tired, ive beaten all the mainline games (besides the x expansions after 3) multiple times, ive played and beaten a majority of the spin offs. just give me 12.

>>555209369
33 here. First game I played after Pokemon Blue was Dragon Warrior Monsters.

And I'm nowhere near the most boomer DQ player.

>>555131604
>Also, SD is strong because it apparently inherits weapon properties including stuff like the Icicle Dirk's +50% Crack Damage.
I think most weapon abilities apply the weapon effects but most weapon types that aren't swords have no effects at all
The instakill spear and the hero spear works on all the spear moves except Lightning Storm for example

>>555279674
Apparently the healing thing is not true but the instant kill part is true.

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>>555201376
the demo sparked a lot of discussion. people have nothing to talk about until launch.

>>555283895
In the 3DS version at least it works on mercurial thrust at least.

>>555284684
You don't need to post this in every thread.

ok I finished playing 8. I'm not too interested in doing post game stuff so I guess I'm done dragon questing for now. what was the hero's secret backstory? also what the fuck is with the music in this series? I thought sugiyama was a respected composer, but it seems like the entire series only has like 6 tracks that it's been using for decades.

>>555300538
>what was the hero's secret backstory?
His mom was a dragon person and his dad was the king of Argonia, so he's Charmles's cousin and the real heir to the throne (and eligible to marry Medea). He was cursed to have his memory erased, and that curse is what saved him from being cursed like everyone else in Trodain. Also Munchie is his dragon person grandpa. Horii-san clearly liked Harry Potter.
>it seems like the entire series only has like 6 tracks that it's been using for decades.
No DQ game has that many tracks, which is a problem, but most of the recent games have been weirdly skewed to reuse songs from the same couple of games over and over. Spinoffs also used to get original music, which stopped happening in the late 2000s.

>>555300538
So, a long time ago, a woman of a race called the Dragovians visited the human world. There, she met a human man and the two fell in love. the Dragovian woman's father forbid their relationship, and took her home. The human decided to follow after them. He died just short of reaching the Dragovian homeland.
Soon after, the Hero was born. His mother died during childbirth. The Hero was sentenced to exile in the human world, his memories of Dravogia sealed through a curse (this is why the Hero is immune to curses) with his grandfather Chen Mui (Munchie) accompanying him as he was ashamed of his actions and did not want his grandson to live alone in the human world.
The Hero's father turned out to be none other than the Prince of Argonia who fucked off all those yearrs ago, meaning that, while illegitimate, the Hero was an heir to the throne of Argonia, and could take over Charmle's spot in the promise the Kings of Trodain and Argonia made to eachother in marrying their children, which King Clavius agrees to, once proof of the Hero's heritage is found in the Dragovian Realm.

>>555108886
God the gameplay of Act 2 in DQ11 is bad. Why did they think it would be fun to make you fight 2 bosses in a row without even letting you change your equipment?

Also the party wide status effects are retarded because they can still hit you even if you have 100% resistance to it.

>>555300538
>also what the fuck is with the music in this series? I thought sugiyama was a respected composer, but it seems like the entire series only has like 6 tracks that it's been using for decades.
I really don't understand this complaint. There's tons of different music in DQ, you get like 30+ tracks per game and they barely reuse music in most of them.

>>555300538
The games have pretty big soundtracks from like 7 onwards but you tend to spend 90% of the game listening to the overworld theme or town theme
A lot of songs only get used for story scenes

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>>555300538
People need to realize that Sugiyama was not involved in active development, he was an independent composer and just that. He only made whatever they requested him to compose. They had different people for sound/music direction and design, and if anyone's to blame for the constant reuse it would be them.

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Is it worth it to sell the prayer rings or nah? This goes for a high price and the effect probably won't mean much if it breaks.

>>555305385
>some of Sugiyama's music he composed still has never seen the light of day.
>next question
>By doing it this way, we don't end up with any unused music.
Well which is it, Horii-san?!

>>555305517
In DQ3 I ended up with a ridiculous amount of prayer rings by the end, like 15 or something. You're safe selling them.

>>555303536
>>555305286
I played 5 and 8 in the last month and I swear I only remember like 3 town songs, a church theme, an overworld song, and like 2 battle songs, and they were the same in both games. I don't even remember if the final boss had a unique song.

>>555310226
Besides the overture and jingles I don't think those games share a single song.
>I don't even remember if the final boss had a unique song.
Music is subjective and everything but if you're saying that about DQ8 there might actually be something wrong with you.

>>555310567
I literally just did the fight 2 hours ago. I thought it was different from the normal battle theme, but it sounded so unimpressive that I wasn't sure if it had been used for other boss fights. compared to uematsu or mitsuda soundtracks the music has been completely unremarkable.

>>555310567
They don't. 8 uses two tracks from 3 (Boogie-Woogie, Heavenly Flight), and one track from 4 (Casino Rag).
>>555311080
The funny thing here is that Great Battle in the Vast Sky is considered one of the better final boss themes of the franchise.

>>555311080
>compared to uematsu or mitsuda
So music needs to be 11/10 or you can't remember any of it? It must really suck to have your ears.

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Neat little detail

This is my first time playing HD2D

>>555312635
I remember songs by sakimoto and yuzo koshiro too.

>>555313716
Where is her butt?

>>555323719
DQ girls don't have those.

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>>555286720
i keep changing my mind and re-arranging them. one vtard thought there were many different tierlist posters and followed the SABC format thinking it was the norm. but yeah i wont be posting lists on /dqg/ anymore. they kill discussion instead of opening it.

Would you say the HD-2D DQ remakes are the best HD-2D games out there?

>>555330814
ye cause the bar was pretty low before

>>555312356
If he barely remembers the songs in the games, then how would he appreciate a song like DQ8's final boss theme which is essentially a combat version of Heavenly Fight?
On that note, I don't know why they never made a unique boss theme for 11's real final boss.

>>555344748
>I don't know why they never made a unique boss theme for 11's real final boss.
Memberberries

>>555330814
Second Story R

>>555348074
They could have saved that for a bonus boss. It just makes Mordegon feel like the real final boss because he has his own song.
>>555354550
2nd Story R isnt a true HD2D game, it runs a completely different engine and uses a different style compared to DQ, Octopath and so on.

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>>555265052
Imagine playing DQV without the slime knight

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>>555357135
The first time I played I recruited 3 golems nearly back to back just walking through the area that they're in, and I ran a full Golem team almost the entire game after that

>>555357715
That's based

>>555357135
Oh man, this is adorable.

>>555357135
Yeah, imagine having monsters on your team, couldn't be me.

>Merchant is the only vocation from DQ3 that doesnt have a clear analogue in 11's party.

There's a world where Gemma joins the party in XI S as a goofball merchant and maybe some people actually like her.

>>555364348
I already like her as she is, honestly she's my second favorite girl from XI, with Veronica being first.

Gemma should've been fat

[good news] Nintendo has cashed in my preorder for VII

>>555358461
It basically works out like doing an all Warrior party in 3 except they're even tankier and get a self heal later

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>>555330814
Honestly not really, no. On the presentation front alone there are so many things the DQ HD2D remakes do worse than Octopath or Triangle Strategy.
Even if you don't like the instagram filters, Octo/Tri put a lot more effort into their visuals to make everything come together. Textures are pixelated and the characters actually look like they're a part of the environment. The characters bob up and down in their walking/running animations so they don't look like they're gliding. The camera in battles make them feel more dynamic, the enemies sprites are larger in proportion to your characters so they actually feel imposing, your characters actually have animations in combat. Granted, DQ HD2D remakes have more animated enemies but that's about it, everything else is rather sloppily done and looks far worse in motion than screenshots would have you believe.
Content wise, if you already played the DQ titles before, there's really nothing the remakes bring to the table outside of more cutscenes, voices and I guess changes that break the balance of the game. Nothing worth justifying the price, at least, and they cost just as much as the actual new HD2D games when they shouldn't. You're getting more bang for your buck with the other HD2D titles.

>>555368407
I cant wait for your glowing review of how bad 7 Reimagined is.

Does Xenlon have the same stats in 3HD as he does in 2HD?
I was thinking of going back grinding to level 70 and trying him again in 3, but seeing how he had like 30k HP in 2 I'm getting cold feet.

>>555375628
The most difficult part of 2HD's Xenlon is the first fight and that's if you go right away instead of doing the Cave of Confusion > ESS stuff first.

>>555376940
I fought him at Lv.69 in 2HD,and he was easy, I killed him in 6 turns. I'm scared of attempting him again in 3 though cause when I first tried I could never even get him to half health, I don't have the ability to just set up and shit out 5000-11000 every turn like I do in 2.

>>555379529
Have two spellcasters run through Wrangler (WS) > Gadabout (At least get Egg On) > Sage
And a melee run through Thief/Warrior/Merchant ending in either Thief or Merchant for the ability to wear the Falcon Blade.
Hero doesnt matter.
I think the strategy becomes self evident at this point.

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>>555129987
To follow up on the autism with some hard numbers since I got flight and mostly everyone's best available weapons
All checked on the Gigantes near Tyran Gully since they don't resist spells, party is level 40-42

-I think they just knocked Twin Dragon Lash down to around the strength of everyone else's high powered attacks, even accounting for Jessica's strength lagging 50 points behind everyone. Pretty much all of the good shit does similar damage until you start adding extra modifiers.
-Sudden Death definitely surpasses Twin Dragon Lash with Oomph but needs the Blizzard Blade effect to really pull ahead. Otherwise Knives/Swords have no move with a damage bonus until Toxic Sword, which you should still be able to grab before the middle of the game at least.
-Blizzard Blade extra damage seems to be about 40% of the final hit here and not 50% unless there's some extra math going on I don't know about.

-Divine Intervention's bonus spell damage doesn't seem to be affected by tension. More effective for just spamming out unboosted spells from Jessica/Hero/Angelo I guess. Too bad Channel Anger didn't exist in 8.
-Magic's max damage is much higher in the 3DS version but I don't Kafrizzle will fully cap until I'm in the postgame.

-Thin Air was bottlenecked below 80 damage for like 15 levels but recently began to reach 90 damage sometimes. Gets outdamaged by Charming Look, but still very much worth picking up for Yangus and Red at the least.
-Pearly Gates got buffed I think (does 200+ damage) but it costs 20 MP so probably don't bother with it without high Tension.

I dunno why I was so interested in comparing all this shit but there you go.

>>555384141
Interesting and it definitely matches up with what I've heard about DQ8 3DS.

>>555380757
I appreciate the build advice, but that would basically require me to rebuild the whole team from scratch, plus I'm attached to my party of
Warrior(F) (warrior > martial artist > warrior)
Sage(F) (priest > sage)
and Sage(M) (mage > sage)

I figure with the amount of grinding required to rebuild them all, I might as well just look into seed grinding to max out stats.

>>555385354
If you don't have Wild Side or Muster Strength/Egg On, you're not going to be finishing shit remotely quickly.
Furthermore, its faster to grind people up from scratch by grinding hydras in bonus dungeon on dracky than seed farming (you'd need a thief for that anyway)

>>555385615
Also, Wild Side is just 20 levels in Wrangler once you have the monsters and Egg On is like ~31 levels in Gadabout. You already have Cutting Edge and Sage done, so its easy to adjust with minor adjustments.

And holy shit they gave Marcello the most accurate Thwack spam I've ever seen
Or I've gotten catastrophically unlucky but I had to rez Jessica and Hero four times each

>>555385778
But wouldn't I need to level beyond those levels in order to not lose a bunch of stats? Plus I'm losing basically all my seed investments as well.

>>555388335
Seeds are permanent.

>>555388335
You'll steadily gain more stats from constant reclassing but it'll eventually get to a point where the gain kind of just flatlines outside of the final two and whatever seeds you dump.
All Str/Luck on the Warrior is what matters.

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>>555344748
>DQ8's final boss theme which is essentially a combat version of Heavenly Fight
Holy fuck how have I never realized that before now. Always something that felt familiar about it but never fully recognized it until now.
It's inclusion in 2HD makes a lot more sense to me now too.

I didn't find out that Empyrea was Ramia until yestersay, and I beat 8 a decade ago.
The name reveal that apparently happens at the end just meant nothing to me at the time.

>>555362198
When I first played the SNES version, me and the kids wiped to Ladja, which resulted in my monster squad coming in and wrecking him.

Monster bros can save lives.

>>555397078
My monster experience was pretty terrible as I didn't get the wagon u til it was time to switch continents, then I was stuck on the next continent alone with no party, the only thing I could recruit were apples that couldn't survive a single encounter, and I was only barely able to live through some encounters thanks to my Metal King Sword, whereas others were a guaranteed wipe.

After eventually overcoming that I was very disappointed when trying to party chat with monsters. Only monster I kept on my team was Fluffy since he was with me from the start, though I would've replaced him with Bianca if I didn't end up dropping the game once, coming back, then dropping it again for good before I ever got her back.

Played PS2 version btw. Found out later its apparently much harder than other versions.

>>555398432
You can get slime knights and I think those tiny dragons in the same area as the apples
The apple's problem isn't even that its bad or anything it just has an awfully low level cap.
Dunno about the difficulty but I think the only early game monster that the DS version made recruitable that wasn't before was the Jailcats.

>>555398432
Reminds me of a guy we had ages ago who blogposted his playthrough but missed the wagon and got really frustrated. The standard experience is pretty different since you're almost guaranteed to get a slime knight in the first area and it's an absolute crutch. Monsters can be really useful in V, but with the abysmal recruit rates for most species, the shitty equipment and the obvious desire to have your family as the main party most people don't tend to use more than a couple as backup. If there's one thing I'd want from a remake, it's an overhaul of everything to do with monsters to make them more useful and easier to recruit.

>>555400680
The only monsters worth keeping in average playthroughs are your Sabrecat and Dwight.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD2dvFQwY_0
Downside of DQ being more popular is that we got youtubers saying shit like 2 is better than 1 and 3.

>>555400680
>abysmal recruit rates
Getting multiples of the same type can be a pain but the rates aren't that bad for the first of each monster type unless you're running from random encounters constantly.
MC and a Slime Knight cover healing easily and then the other monsters can be literally whatever the fuck

>>555401434
Don't try and inflict trash on the rest of us

>>555400680
>Reminds me of a guy we had ages ago who blogposted his playthrough but missed the wagon and got really frustrated.
Yup, that's probably me. I remember going somewhere on 4chan and venting about it, I was fuming at the prospect of having to potentially start the game from scratch because of how fucked I was.

>>555401434
I hate this fat fuck.
>>555401575
I don't know. I've played V a bunch of times and always seem to get the same few high recruit rate monsters every time, with one or two exceptions. I almost never run from encounters. The problem isn't so much that the hardest monsters to recruit are hard, it's that it doesn't feel like there's a fair medium level and there's no way to influence it (except with the casino reward from the phone version, which I think is just an overall rate up). The result is just boring.

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anlu!

>>555417106
anlu? what about anlu?

>>555401434
Whenever I'm reminded of IX I remember that I can't actually remember anything about it despite having played it to completion. There's Angel Tenshinhan, a fairy, and a train or something and that's as far back as it goes

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I put my Monster Wrangler, Grug, in front of the party whenever I'm doing the monster tournaments and now Grug has his own little emergent plot where he wants to be the very best like no one ever was. I imagine the others mind since he's a big moneymaker now.

It's little things like that which keep me coming back to Dragon Quest.

>>555426584
It has some really good town stories in the first half, on par with the better ones from VII, but it peters out after a while. I remember Angel Falls and the plague town and the whale town and Marion/Marionette and not-Hogwarts but later on... there's a dragon? I think you go to prison?

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everything else is a meme

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>>555357042
Calasmos is the bonus boss, the credits roll after you beat Morgeddon.
The whole structure of beating the final boss then going to another world (time) to beat the super real final boss is already playing on 3's structure, then they make it even more blatant by blasting Hero's Challenge after you disable the secret real villain's super negro mode

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>ren & stimpy game collection before dragon quest 12

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In dq3 snes, what's the best reclassing path for my warrior, mage and priest? Everyone is almost at level 20. Should I even reclass?

>>555431739
Mordegon is just a fake out.

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>>555417973
tried to reverse search this and the only one with a hit was google, but the hit was this same post

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Please rescue granddaughter saar, she is having been kidnapped.

Please do the needful, we are needing 5 Google Play gift cards and needing female gadabout to open bobs and vagene saar.

>>555400680
To keep them relevant in my mind, I like to think Slime Knight teaches the son swordplay and Prestidigitator teaches the daughter magic while I'm a statue.

>>555437687
you're becoming my source of news anon

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>>555454881
https://skeb.jp/@karaage53ko/works/34
Neither the artist or client seems to have shared an unwatermarked version.

>>555471464
its the thq games which arent very good and not the pretty solid genesis one sadly

>>555445548
I didn't reclass at all in my first playthrough, I think. You'll be fine with what you've got, maybe try another class if you really want to.

https://noisypixel.net/dragon-quest-vii-reimagined-character-letters-party-introductions/

>>555473098
damn they really cut loose huh

>>555445548
I didn't reclass my Warrior or Thief at all. Did Priest to Sage with the scroll.

Worth getting the DQ7 more expensive version with the arena DLC?

>>555490075
If you want it a couple days earlier, maybe.

>Back to back bosses that spam uncurable status effects and you don't even replenish your MP for 2nd fight, who also has party wide MP steal

Yeah I'm done with 11. What a dogshit game.

>>555494354
>Getting walled by DQ
The only boss worth bitching about is Dora in Grey before they took away her third turn and I know that's not who you're talking about

>>555494354
Are you getting filtered by JJ and Booga of all bosses? Their difficulty is in ailment fishing than actual damage.
If you're struggling, then rig your exp so you'll level off the first fight. IIRC 11 did the full heal on level up thing.

>>555495524
Apparently there's accessories that increase charm resist that you can buy at the girl's academy too.

>>555495524
Pretty sure once you're past Jade, you skip right to Booga if you get wiped on him.

>>555495686
You get a recipe book for all kinds of status resist accessories there if you want the upgraded versions

>>555495524
>Their difficulty is in ailment fishing than actual damage
One of their ailments is uncurable and even if you have 100% resistance to the others they can still hit you. And Maritina's high evasion just makes you waste more MP whiffing like 30% of the time.

The fights are just poorly designed. Using level up cheese to get through a fight is absurd.

>>555496829
At this point I'm just wondering what the fuck you're doing to be stuck there at all because both of those boss fights are completely unremarkable even on Draconian mode

>>555496829
I had no problem with them on Draconian. I just decided to list the level up trick because you seem to be struggling by a considerable amount.

>>555495967
My game crashed after I lost and selected the autosave option. And my game has never crashed before then. The game is just shittly designed.

>Blaming the game on your personal failings

Turn Skip Protection works against dancing btw

>>555497461
I've never played an rpg were status effects hit you even with 100% resistance or crash when restarting due its dogshit coding. Sorry for having high standards I guess?

>>555497905
Have you tried not being bad
Or not making up fake ass stories, either way

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i cant do it. i give up.

>>555499516
damn, those abs are horny

>>555497905
>Status that hit you with even 100% resist
Then you obviously don't have 100% resist
>Crashed my console
Clean your fucking device retard.

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>>555442439
"Our Love is Like a Truck" by Sugiyama Koichi

Jessica's fat tits crashed my PS2

I completely forgot DQ8 had an orb hunt before the final boss
Thought you went straight from the collapsing castle to Rhapthorne

>>555496829
>100% resistance
>in DQXI
Unless S version massively buffed numbers, I don't believe you. Ailment resistance gear usually only gives you a pitiful +20-25% even at +3

>>555509406
You can if you stack shit from Act 3 but that's hardly necessary.

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Is there something wrong with my saves?

>>555511806
Erdrick list

>>555505653
Nope I had 105% curse resist on Rou and he still got hit with curse in the previous boss fight.

>>555509406
>>555511113
Rings give 50% resist so its trivial to get full resist in Acts 1 and 2. You guys don't even play the game you are talking about.

>>555511949
wut

>>555512823
>You guys don't even play the game you are talking about.
I played through the game two and a half times.
The only time I remember having to care about ailments was Dora, and the accessories for her do fuckall and ailment resistance was unnecessary in every fight for the rest of the game, even on stronger monsters.

>>555509406
https://dragon-quest.org/wiki/List_of_accessories_in_Dragon_Quest_XI
You can get 100% resist but most of the gear is gated to pretty late into the game. There's probably something that guy isnt telling us as usual.

>>555513748
>The only time I remember having to care about ailments was Dora, and the accessories for her do fuckall and ailment resistance was unnecessary in every fight for the rest of the game, even on stronger monsters.
So the boss fight were the boss can target a single character is when ailments were a problem but in the future acts were bosses spam multiple full party ailments are when ailments don't matter?

Yeah you really sound like you played the game.

>>555514212
>There's probably something that guy isnt telling us as usual.

>Sure he may be telling the truth but he must be lying anyway!

>>555512823
>You guys don't even play the game you are talking about.
? I literally said you can get 100% read nigga

>>555515135
Wear beguile resist accessories and use the fucking mp restoratives. It would also fucking help if you would post your levels and gear setup too.
2x Safety Googles is also only just 50%. Hero gets 55% with Gemma's shit. So please elucidate us on how you have 105% resist.

>>555515135
>So the boss fight were the boss can target a single character is when ailments were a problem
Yes, cause she takes THREE fucking turns and can shut down characters for several turns with charm, and the only person who can remove it is also your best healer at that point in time.
>but in the future acts were bosses spam multiple full party ailments are when ailments don't matter?
Yes, because you have way more options for handling situations. I genuinely can't remember bosses past act 1 doing any ailment other than poison or unresistable stuff like roaring at you or forcing you to dance
>Yeah you really sound like you played the game.
I did, and I even beat it at a low level while having all draconian options on besides stronger monsters since I had cleared that one in my first playthrough. Even playing like that, there were only 3 tough fights in the entire game, which were Jasper 1 and the two mandatory fights with solo Hero at the start of act 2.
So if you're on normal difficulty you're actually retarded because this game is the most braindead easy DQ, and if you're on stronger monsters then man the fuck up or turn the difficulty off.

Am I the only one that likes going for Boomerangs instead of Fisticuffs for Hero?

>>555516670
>Yes, because you have way more options for handling situations
So again the act were you have Serena, a character that can block ailments from single target bosses are when they were an issue but in Act 2 were you don't have Serena and most bosses now hit you with multiple multi target ailments are when they don't matter lmao.

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>>555516718
Power throw gets the job done well enough early.
Zap got a pretty big buff in the 3DS port though so I didn't go further than that

>>555515884
>So please elucidate us on how you have 105% resist.
I said I had 105% curse resist for the previous boss. Learn to read.

>>555516718
Maxing out skill trees in 8 is almost always a meme and Thin Air gets resisted. So Power/Super Throw is kino.

>Try to resist the wrong ailment
>Act surprised when it doesnt fucking work

>>555517261
If you would waste turns to protect one character from ailments at a time instead of buffing the whole party or midhealing a party member that got singled out, then that speaks volumes about how bad you are at the game.

>>555517617
What part of previous boss don't you retards understand?

>>555517998
Yeah those buffs and heals are gonna work wonders on a party thats unable to act from unresistable full party ailments.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/3ds/179348-dragon-quest-xi-echoes-of-an-elusive-age/faqs/76716
Just use a walkthrough or check a youtube video.

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>>555518380
>Yeah those buffs and heals are gonna work wonders on a party thats unable to act from unresistable full party ailments.
Yeah, they will, because you'll have the defence and hp to recover from bad situations.
What are you even crying so hard for anyways? If the ailments are unresistable, then fucking git gud and play around them you little baby.

>>555488687
I'm thinking about giving it to my mage just so I have to healers.

Zing.

Zong!

When does 3 get fun?

>>555545185
Last ten minutes of the game

>>555545185
Once you get Patty's puff-puff.

>>555545185
when you realize the fun is in seeing the numbers go up

>>555545185
When you get the boat

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https://www.nexusmods.com/games/dragonquest7reimagined
game's not even out yet and they already made all the mods i want

>>555578670
If they can mod all the removed material back in, I'll be impressed enough to double-dip.

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I remember Rhapthorne actually gave me a tiny bit trouble last time I played this version since his spells were buffed and his meteor attack insisted on triple hitting Angelo every single time, but this time he didn't really get to do much
>>555585782
That's a lot more involved than hitting some toggles in the config

>>555587270
I've seen modders pull off surprising miracles before, so I'm not counting them out yet.

Waiting for the Maribel's head on Pearl's body mod

>>555578670
god bless mike, the yuusha of dq modding

>>555545185
The first random encounter

Time sure flies, huh...

>>555597432
Little girls with big weapons uoooh

>>555585782
>>555589259
There's wishful thinking and then there's being delusional.

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>finally get back to replaying dragon warrior vii
>realize I left off just before the wind temple place with the cloud boss, the hardest boss in the game

Most of the vocation costumes were kind of ugly desu.

I just want tight shorts bare belly thief Maribel

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oof

>>555606006
Still beats Kiefer dying to Cumulus Vex.

>>555603418
I'd rather have the outfit changes than not
If they bothered they probably would've thrown in a cosmetic toggle like the costumes in 11

>>555607081
7R does have outfit changes given that we know about Maribel and the 11 cameo outfits.

>>555610404
I meant if they bothered doing the job outfits again if that was unclear
If we get outfits from equipment that's fine too, the cowards probably won't add one for the Angel Leotard though

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>>555603418
Nah I need the silly hats.
The Champion and Hero outfits for everyone were cool too.

>>555614669
All of these guys are actually the same dude spamming Zoom

>>555578670
i kinda want the opposite mod for 11. a top down camera would be great. also letting you walk with the d pad like in 8.

>>555614421
You posted one of the good ones.

>>555606006
He needs to wash his face now, his cheek STINKS

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>>555616958
Stop posting this shit

>>555610404
There are no job costumes.

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what are the opinions of the people in this thread about the dq7 remake? twitter keeps feeding me discourse like this and its is making me worried

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImB1c6xkv6c

>>555637180
I don't think it looks very good. The changes to the job system will probably be for the better since the bar is pretty low, but I'm not optimistic about the story revisions/cuts. I don't like DQ7 that much, but it doesn't sound like what they're doing will fix any of its actual problems.
Whether the remake's good or not, most of the people complaining about older versions won't have ever played them.

>>555637180
I am only interested in the remake for what it is remaking, I like the look of the PS1 art style brought into 3D and want to see whatever moments they're willing to show me in 3D with full voice acting and all.
I know its never going to surpass the PS1 original, the ruined intro is already damning in that regard, but idk I guess I'm treating it like a movie adaptation, with those you don't expect it to cover everything, you just want to see what it does cover and how it does it.

Actually, no there is one more thing interesting, the thing they seem to be going for about having multiple endings for towns and changing the story overall with your choices could be very interesting. Having multiple endings to the game would actually make the cut content a lot more forgivable. It still wouldn't replace PS1, but it would offer a very cool new way to experience the game if they go hard on that stuff.

>enter shrine of rain
>dig
>mad cap first try
what the fuck, I'm never this lucky

>>555637180
removing content is never good

>>555637180
I'm going to go into it with an open mind knowing full well SE is incapable of making a definitive edition of something. Which is a lot easier to do when it's your least known mainline non-online entry so you won't even notice most of the cuts. No job costumes is a bummer though and just comes across as lazy.

I also just want to play some new to me dragon quest again and am tired of the hd2d and the handheld visuals.

>>555649340
>when it's your least known mainline non-online entry
I feel like that's 6 honestly, at least outside of Japan
7 was always notorious for being fucking long even if people didn't know anything else about it.

>>555651872
I think anon was speaking for himself

>>555653703
yeah...

>>555649340
>So you wont notice most of the cuts
>When almost all of the discussion surrounding 7R are people complaining about the cuts and the lack of job costumes
???

>>555657625
I think anon was speaking for himself

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I am once again asking what is the point of charging $75 for 2 day early access of a downgraded remake

>>555659751
Imagine being so poor you publicly cry about how unfair it is that people of wealth can play the game before you

>>555660000
Sir, final fantasy gen is that way >>555269857 this is a civilized thread

>>555659751
It's not JUST 2 day early access.

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>>555660257
Everything else included is bullshit with little to no value

>>555578670
I really liked the presentation of the game until I accidentally rotated the camera once.
I wish it was locked, it looks so kino as you play.

>>555660550
That's gaming in the 2020s for you.

>>555637180
I never played the original, and I assume most people complaining never did too.
From following the steam discussions (a cesspool), I noticed that 99% of the shilling against it was jester farming and when they made it so steam reddit awards don't give you points anymore the conversation died down to something actually reasonable.
I assume X is the same, with people having a financial incentive to stir shit, and midwits falling in line believing it.

Anyway, the demo was charming, and I'll still be playing it.

>>555660624
>2020s
Back in my day, you'd have to buy the entire game again for that extra shit. DLC was also far worse in the 2010s, especially from Atlus.

>>555635793
What would be the point of including the option to change outfits and restrict pretty much all of them to DLC? There's a non 0 change that some of the vocation costumes might still exist as dress up features from equipment sets than it behaving like in the 3DS version.

god the 3ds version of dq11 was so soulful

>>555660164
>Start off a discussion by insulting people
>Act surprised when an anon mocks him in response
Kek

>>555661238
The only way youd be insulted by my post is if somehow youve already made a remake that isnt even out yet your entire personality

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>>555661075
No clue why they would go that way, that's why I think it's really lazy.

>>555661185
Between the earlier 3DS games and some of the more recent spinoffs and remakes it was a weird oasis of high quality and effort. I almost wish they spun it off into a separate project rather than leaving so much soul as a footnote.

>>555661826
If they were making irl dolls for pretty much every non recolor, then I can justify leaving out the vocation costumes as less laziness and more budget/time issues. Remember, it would be 6 dolls per vocation that you'd have to convert into models and so forth. I doubt DQ7R was given a particularly big budget as well.

It would probably be more practical in such circumstances to assign specific outfits to specific characters similar to how everyone in 11 has their own unique costumes.

>>555662742
>6 dolls per vocation
What? How do you figure? All they'd have to do is make the clothes. The dolls already exist.

>>555662742
Based on how the models actually look in game I don't know why they bothered with the dolls at all

>>555662959
Ruff/Gabo, Aishe and Meryn would almost certainly require different fits compared to the Hero/Kiefer/Maribel.

>>555662959
They wouldn't even have to do that.
I sincerely doubt they made extra dolls or just clothes for the various clothing DLC they've got going on. Maribel's demo dress, the Hero's Trodain togs, the 11 outfits, that White Wolf costume. None of it was made for the real-life dolls and scanned into the game, I will bet my hairline on it.

Horii-san personally handmade a doll for every NPC and monster. They're fully modeled under the clothes too.

>>555664308
f..fully?
so.. if I pulled up maribel's dress I'd find..? not that I would haha

>>555664931
That's right, a pair of CERO-compliant bike shorts. And under those, a penis.

>>555665201
I KNEW IT

Ive literally never played a dq game before why is this even an option

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>>555669997
Forgor image

>>555669997
>>555670049
It had a retro version on the 3DS so they said fuck it and included it too.

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>>555362198
imagine

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>>555660574
>I wish it was locked

I think they didn't include the vocation outfits cause they figured no one would care, or maybe most of the staff didn't like them.
Honeslty I'm shocked people care so much about the vocation outifts, I always thought it was weird looking, but I guess its just the difference between people that played PS1 and those that played 3DS.

>>555682234
I didn't like the outfits. I thought they made the party look more generic compared to their unique default clothes, especially when there's several in the same class.

>>555663723
>>555662959
DQ7 has what 22 vocations + base?
That's 23 x 6 = 138 Models + 1 for Adult Keifer in R. That's a gain of 24 models compared to the 3DS version.

>>555682234
>>555682382
Its mainly people who played 3DS first and/or accustomed to FF that does job costumes.

can people dump games from digital eshop version of dq7 or is it waiting for physical copy?

>>555684905
I played 3DS DQ7 first and I still didn't like the forced job-outfit changes.

Job costumes would be cool if they were an optional toggle

>>555688510
They almost certainly would be if they were implemented these days.

>>555669997
>>555670049
2D mode is actually slightly harder since it uses the old turn order rules (input commands for the whole party -> round plays out) instead of individual commands when their turn comes up

>>555659751
Just wait 3 months and it'll be on sale
Or emulate the switch version

>>555691269
It feels like the party (and monsters) Pep Up faster in 2D compared to 3D.

>>555700285
Iirc pep happens faster if you start the turn with less than max HP or if other characters are pepped
So when everyone takes their turn at once it's more frequent to be significantly hurt at the beginning of a round

>>555682234
They're really cute, one of the 3DS version's only improvements.

https://youtube.com/shorts/m8qmbH5hlOg?si=Jy1JA0uW_CXTXlz9
>Sylvando becomes the wolf boy

>>555704880
The other times I played 7 I sent Ruff straight to the monster jobs
Guess if I get around to playing this I'll make him the guinea pig for Monster Master.

>Kazing!

>>555678780
Isometric views are kino, and as soon as you have freedom the magic is gone.

>>555715712
i mean you can just not move the camera then, no reason to strip that choice away from other people

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>>555715903
Unfortunately, I accidentally moved my mouse once. It's all over and there is no recovering from this.

>>555704880
>tall and skinny rab
c u r s e d

>>555716258
Rab if he didn't fucking die when he was meditating

>>555684263
>models
Well there's your reading comprehension problem right there.

>>555725723
Anon-kun, please apply critical thinking for two seconds.

>>555727080
What's the problem? The first two anons were talking about the irl dolls, not the scanned 3D models.

>>555727761
You'd need an equivalent amount of dolls to match the models if they're doing direct scans.
Even if they arent doing direct scans and skipping straight to models, Adult Keifer's existence a permanent party member inherently means that R requires more effort since you'd have to make his stuff too.

>>555729064
I don't even know what you're trying to argue, anon. No one said that R doesn't require more effort. We also still don't know if Keifer's a permanent readdtion, though I'll be surprised if he isn't.
The argument was whether or not they needed to make more physical dolls for costumes, or even just the clothes for them. And it seems pretty clear to me after watching >>555704880 that they're just making costumes in an entirely 3D environment. No IRL scans.
The amount of 3D models required is moot. Everyone knows more of those would have to be made, regardless.

https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonquest7reimagined/mods/7
even more kino

>>555731375
What the fuck, party members revive after battle?
I am really starting to not liking Hexadrive as a Dragon Quest developer.

>>555731910
I'm not surprised. XI did that shit too.

>>555731306
You're the one forcing an argument. He simply just made an observation about the amount of effort that you'd need.

>>555732213
Its been about a decade, so I dont think many people really remember what happened in 11.

>>555659751
Cut content is being advertised as a good thing for this game, let that sink in.

>>555731910
Horii approves everything in the games they're not allowed to change shit without his stamp of approval.

>>555732213
I played XI and I'm pretty sure from memory that dead party members still stayed dead until revived like past DQ games. However, I think they revive with 1 HP when cutscenes start so they can still appear in them.

>>555738028
Maybe the other members stay dead, but I know for a fact the Luminary always revived with 1 HP no matter what if he was dead at the end of battle.