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BIG E edition
Previously on /coopg/: >>555738568
>Latest News/Updates:
Darktide:
Patch 1.10.4 - Patch Notes
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-1-10-4-patch-notes/118146
Vermintide 2:
Hotfix 6.9.2 patch notes
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/552500/view/523109140338311330
>Acknowledged
Space Marine 2
Deep Rock Galactic
Helldivers 2
Payday
The Outlast Trials
Starship Troopers Extermination
Aliens: Fireteam Elite
Killing Floor 2
Barotrauma
Left4Dead 2
Ready Or Not
GTFO
No More Room in Hell 2
Remnant 2
Back4Blood
Earth Defense Force 6
WWZ
The Forever Winter
FBC: Firebreak
Killing Floor 3
Daimon Blades
and others
>Future games
Den Of Wolves - TBA
DarkSwarm - TBA
Blight: Survival - TBA
Deep Dish Dungeon - TBA
>Build planners:
Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/
Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/
Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
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Cadia?
More like CACAdia!
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Fans of the big man help me out here. Levelling a new one after finishing up with the DLC classes and I'm struggling to find the stuff with ogryn that clicks with me. I'm probably still spoiled from how strong arby and scum are but the ogryn melees have all felt either kinda sluggish, lacking impact or somehow non-damaging. I assume it gets better later on but whats your favorite melee for the big man
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>>555986535
they could do something creative and make rotten armor crushers have exposed intestines and count it as unyielding or infested, they wont though
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>>555987107
What mark for the club?
>>555987136
Not yet I'm only at level 12
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>>555986970
>favorite melee for the big man
powermaul with the power surge blessing and the 25% explosion radius and burn on explosion talents. one heavy overhead on a crusher with the special activated and everything around you in 15ish meter radius is either dead/staggered/on fire. with taunt active you can reliably one shot everything except bosses. the 2 light attacks to overhead heavy combo can kill mutants if you bonk them in the head. very fun but it might feel very sluggish/weak until you have it upgraded to 500 with max blessings and perks
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>>555990621
>and burn on explosion talent
It does virtually nothing because it produces a dogshit number of burn stacks which does no damage
Even with rumbler spam you need some serious attack speed to even fight against stack decay.
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>>555991198
there's a weird interaction with the power maul special attack, the power surge blessign that creates an explosion and the node that give your explosion burn dots that deletes small ennemies in a huge area
but for the rest you're right
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Can you believe it guys!?
Felinids!
Just a week away!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u6Qwrh3i9g
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>>555996992
the one on the right is far more interesting. its obviously best to stay as far away from furries as possible though so its lucky they'll never add them. an absolute death strike to any games community.
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>>555989030
>What mark for the club?
mk3b for grug smash, mk1 for the thinking man
>>556008987
Yes and no. You need solo play and a separate mod called tertium 5.
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>>556018105
I actually appreciate the change of pace you can have in the stable. I've got my barely restrained religious maniac demanding to know who spilled their pint while screaming come and have a go if you think you're hard enough, an equally twitchy but in a different way bubble/purge/BB psyker, then a calm (allegedly), steely eyed methodical sniper, moving over to the gentle rhythm of a shieldgryn meatgrinder chugging along on his rails.
Something for every occasion, you know?
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>>556022359
>Where's the issue?
Completely invalidates every source of rending and brittleness in the game. Armor becomes a non-issue. Lots of talents and blessings instantly become useless.
I think a better idea is to provide randomized crushers with various exposed parts to dilute the pool and make regular full plate crushers more rare, but still a thing.
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>>556018105
try something like this
it's by no means an ideal build but it's stacked with enough movement and stamina buffs that you're outrunning even zealots most of the time
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>>556023193
>Completely invalidates every source of rending and brittleness in the game
Except for many weapons which get their damage reduced by flak still benefitting from them. The only difference will be your damage getting doubled instead of quintupled or more
>Armor becomes a non-issue
When you aim at the bits which aren't armored, making you play better instead of losing at loadout, yes that is the goal. Are you killing every crusher you meet with only headshots? I'm not, maybe that's a skill issue
>Lots of talents and blessings instantly become useless
Name 5 that aren't uncanny strike, which needs to be deleted as soon as possible
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>>556023938
fun build
Anyway, time for a hot take: I think warp ghost is overrated. Psyker can already print toughness like no other, I've never had stamina problems on the class, and assail can instantly raise peril if needed. I see most people take this talent, but I don't feel like it adds anything I don't already have plenty of.
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>>556025181
Flak isn't powerful enough to see value from rending. People raw-dog it just fine.
We agree with the second point. Having exposed parts to aim for can force players to play better. My issue is with the "every crusher head is now flak" solution. I think it would be way cooler to have some variety instead of just "headshot to win".
>Name 5 that aren't uncanny strike
Penetration of the Soul
Penetrating flame
Can opener
Thunderous
Strike Down
Serrated Maw
Brutish Strength
Dominate
Onslaught
Channeled Aggression
Pretty sure there's more but i stopped looking.
I don't think the existence of a full plate crusher is the problem, I think the number is the problem. 1 crusher is basically 1 plague ogryn if you have no rending. One plogryn is not an issue. But 8 plogryns is a fucking slog. And thats where Crusher armor variety can save us. For example in a wave of 8 Crushers, maybe only 1 is 100% carapace. The rest have some weaker parts like flak or exposed flesh. Hope this makes sense.
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>>556026424
>Penetration of the Soul
>Penetrating flame
Both give penetration on the crusher's carapace you hit by flamethrowing into a horde at normal human height. I'm pretty sure it would also boost the dot since that considers the crusher as carapace no matter where you hit, but I don't know
>Can opener
Looks like flak reduces the ripper gun's damage by 35%, sounds like 40% brittleness is a good fit
>Thunderous
At least 10% damage on weapons that fully penetrate flak and reducing the armor for the other 3 people on your team. Not counting any non-head hits
>Strike Down
Helps when the staggered crusher pulls his head back or falls over and hides it
>Serrated Maw
Boosts everyone's damage on a target without you even engaging it
>Brutish Strength
Appling brittleness as you stagger with the push, making them even easier to push
>Dominate
Killing elite while cleaving horde makes hits on carapace stronger because you can't aim at the head
>Onslaught
This one's already bad because it's balanced around the recon fire rate so nothing else can stack it
>Channeled Aggression
Devil claw, saw, and heavy sword all suffer when hitting flak. Knife and shivs only on their light attacks, but those are actually good examples of weapons having a way to get through carapace as opposed to the saw where you keep doing the same thing and it eventually gets better. The talent benefits all these weapons
And all these sources of brittleness still help the rest of your team. I don't understand why you would consider them invalidated
>in a wave of 8 Crushers, maybe only 1 is 100% carapace. The rest have some weaker parts like flak or exposed flesh
Imagine taking a weakspot weapon and being given 7 10k hp crushers with different flakspots none of which are weakspots. You'd just hit the head and rely on armor reduction anyway
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>heretics received four grenades for price of two
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>>556033097
>krak doubles
>both magnetize to the same guy
>second krak doubles
>first ones havent exploded yet so they both magnetize to the same guy
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>>556034959
This doesn't happen because vet's double nade is deterministic rather than random and only happens every X grenades, but you can never double two in a row
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>>556032374
>I don't understand why you would consider them invalidated
Like I said you can literally just raw-dog flak armor.
You get more value by just pumping raw damage and ignoring brittleness and rending. Yes rending has an effect vs flak, but not enough to justify investment into those stats. Against flak, raw damage is better.
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>>556023193
>Armor becomes a non-issue.
That shit has been a non-issue since the start.
Why the fuck do you think the devs keep spamming more and more crushers and other armored elites at us?
It's purely because the lower numbers weren't enough and they had to turn elites into horde mobs because the game is just fundamentally badly balanced.
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Anyone else find playing with teammates who have low damage/high knockdown weapons absolutely fucking miserable? I just want to kill shit can you stop sending it flying halfway across the room and making me hunt shit down on the floor because you wanted to do 20% of a poxwalker's health in damage?
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>>556040853
yes. Most people already go for he head anyway.
>>556038337
armor is a non-issue today because we build against it. We build against it because the current crusher spam forces our hand. This lowers the number of weapons we can realistically use in high difficulty content. This means less variety. Less variety means less fun.
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>>556042349
mandatory once you know how to actually use them, they become the entire reason for bringing him instead of just another gunner
when you're in a long narrow cave and a wave hits, pepper the ceiling and some of the side walls underneath with them, with a bit of spacing in between all of them, and a few layers at that
it motivates the bugs to all advance on the floor instead of using the walls and ceiling, grouping them up and making them easier to fire at with any number of crowd control tools
on recovery the trick is similar except it's just peppering the most annoying spots directly above you while leaving good gaps to either side for them to come in
do not try to use it to deny bugs entry or block off paths of travel, just use it to make the bugs prefer not to traverse one particularly annoying spot while there is a clearer path not far from there
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Post images that sum up what sound was constantly coming out of this mic.
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>>556051523
True Grit?
More like True Shit!
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>>556053141
very, very good
path into pickpocket like this and you still have functionally infinite ammo even with a melee build
none of the nodes leading up to it are tax nodes for a melee build either(extra melee damage, extra crit chance, extra melee attack speed, hypercritical, all very useful for a melee build)
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>>556054545
It'd be just retarded there as well because the enemies are weaker.
So they get raped even harder by the AIDS dot, meaning you only need to shoot like a crusher once in malice and it will keel over and die.
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>>556054552
MKVI, adds an extra toxin stack on headshot and crit. Better at its job of single target removal.
The alternate fire makes enemies explode, causing minor stagger, useful for a running fight where you need to backpedal hard and make distance while whittling away the enemy.
MkII, alternate fire enemies create an AoE toxin on death. Better at groups if you want to spend your endless ammo that way.
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>>556055014
Anon, please remember that malicelets are not good at the game and are more than willing to burn all their ammo on poxxies, and have to compete for the rare elites and specials with the other players, I guarantee you it's balanced around that.
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>>556054221
Sweet. I'm having an absolute blast with this thing. Glad that it never falls off.
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>>556055930
No, not really.
It still takes like only 1 shot from the needler to kill most specials and elites. Crushers take like 2.
This is because the DoT does most of the damage regardless, so you are better off taking the AoE one.
Also pickpocket just completely negates any and all ammo issues because it applies on all kills, melee, ranged even DoTs.
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>notice guy gets netted behind us, immediately go to him and shoot shit off him so he doesnt take damage for no reason
>he ends up quitting out even though I am literally hauling ass to go get him
>I am now a mile behind my entire team with my dick in my hand and slightly miffed
>retarded faggot COMES BACK, he literally just alt+f4d to unnet himself
>knock him off the map with a barrel directly afterward (it's that spot with the hologram on that torrent map)
>he alt+f4s after dying again
>doesn't come back
eat shit faggot, what comes around goes around
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>>556065949
https://youtu.be/bMtybPTNXNU?si=FYOFfiGpHsmRCuFc
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>>556066090
It's some big thirdie youtuber I gather
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>>556046560
same as >>556048223 but i also digest unhealthy amounts of 40k books
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>>556069318
The issue is during the gas phase, I can get in at the start but seeing the secondary fan spawns is a huge issue for the swaps
I'm getting it back.
That and everyone is loading up for horde killing and not smacking the Maulers.
Rambo is who I try to focus, if you have someone with the Catachan knife you can just parry stall Rinda
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>>556051380
Cute!
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>>556069931
but the rashuns arent enough, sah
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You're supposed to take out Rodin's voidshield first, then Rinda's voidshield, then you attack Rodin, then Rinda.Then the tox gas happens, and then you repeat the aforementioned pattern once the gas dissipates. By the Emperor why is this such a hard thing to understand?
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What do I drop to take steady grip (top right braced regen)?
I'm using the uptime mod to check now, but maybe I need to rearrange what I have in the middle part?
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>>556059205
For most enemies it's best to count your shots because you can take out multiple enemies in a single magazine. It's where the strength of the class shines in my opinion. It's basically a brain blast on steroids
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>>556074769
Steady grip is good because it lets you regain toughness in shitty spots.
Like getting caught with your pants down by bunch of gunners, steady grip gives you little bit of extra time to move behind cover to survive.
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>>556074769
>>Steady Grip
>>On a Heavy Hitter build
He doesn't have the taunt on that tree so if he gets caught at range he literally has no way to restore toughness without it (this is ogryn's biggest flaw, ignoring how shit the gun skill is)
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>>556075612
Yeah, uh, you know it's not giving you 12.5% per second right? It only boosts your base toughness regen when you're already not taking damage, it's even more worthless than taking +30% coherency toughness regen bonus on your curios. On top of that, trying to move into cover while bracing just makes you more vulnerable to gunners, not less.
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>>556075930
Why do people come into the thread and just say things that are wrong deliberately? Like, if you didn't know what Steady Grip does, you could say, "But I don't think it does soandso," you don't have to lie and say, "IT DOES THIS SPECIFICALLY."
This is brown behavior man, knock it off.
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That's crazy, that has to be a bug or something
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>>556074805
I havent tried inspiring balance in a long ass time, good idea. I have a hard itme parting with can't hit me again, that shit is so good when you get caught by shooters. But you're right if inspiring barrage doesn't work out I think that has to be the thing I drop
>>556076231
it used to say 5% per second in the tooltip but it gave 12.5% per second due to a bug with how that 5% was calculated. Instead of fixing the bug they just updated the tooltip. So who knows what is intentional or not
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What do you call an outlaw hive scum who dual wields his guns?Okrimbo
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>>556093204
NTA, ogryn is retard easy mode on the babby difficulties and you don't have to interact with any game mechanics because of it
Learn to dodge, block and push, wear headphones and listen for audio cues etc.
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>>556094185
Well you said you can only do the higher difficulty on ogryn, the class without skill floor that face rolls through everything instead of having to engage with game mechanics, so you clearly need to work on your fundamentals if you're struggling on the other classes.
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>>556094185
you really can not learn game mechanics this fast, what he means is that you will acquire retarded playstyle by playing a dumb class before getting used to mechanics
Also if you play event missions, they really aren't on damnation level, they are harder than maelstroms, and probably on a level of 30+ havoc. There is no difference between damnation and auric difficulty when event modifiers are applied, so it's even worse in damnation because you play with retards who lower the difficulty to damnation because they think it will be easier (it isn't).
Anyway damnation is a dead difficulty, get to auric as fast as you can by playing regular missions.
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>>556046560
airport operations
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>>556094060
>less than 80 hours
>have only played psyker and then started ogryn
>dont like ogryn at all feels like Im just a huge target with the worst dodges
>its apparently ez baby mode
>meanwhile Ive carried a few games with psyker
Im probably building the big fella wrong but what class isnt ez baby mode? Sure as shit isnt arbites.
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>>556098284
Arbites is the easy mode class. The dog plays the game for you while you cower behind your shield in every difficulty below damnation. Damnation and above you need to actually start doing things, but the dog still outdamages bad players lol. Put points in the dog, put points in the toughness at the top, and take the bottom right keystone at least until you get the toughness.
Ogryn is also the retard EZ class. You just build him for melee. You do heavy attacks.
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>>556099985
It's achristianholiday in my First world country, I get paid to stay home.
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Gentlemen, I just had a GIRL in my quickplay damnation.She was fucking awful
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Excluding Havoc, which Darktide difficulty has the most favorable ratio of difficulty-to-good players?
Which has the least favorable?
I'm really impressed at how dogshit damnation players are, like they don't even have basic fundamentals down, they play like malice.
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>>556102454
Auric is probably where you'll consistently find a good team, but the worse intersection is still probably heresy. Its not too hard to solo carry heresy but you'll have a mix of genuinely new and genuinely dogshit players with the added impairment that they likely aren't levelled enough to get all the core nodes and keystones in their tree or they might be slacking on their gear
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>>556102454
Heresy maelstrom probably.
I used to play auric heresy a lot when I was new and was leveling mastery on shitty weapons like heavy sword. And I don't remember ever seeing bad players in auric heresy. Plus it's easy as fuck.
Swedes removed auric heresy but I suppose heresy maelstrom is the next closest thing.
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>>556105393
they basically have a retard (woman) in charge of the direction. The voice actors are not bad it's just that they have 0 direction, and the cringe lines added recently don't help (listen to the new ogryn personality)
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>>556107182
Me agree Arbites.
>good talents protect from rock and stick
>dog help with tricky grug
>castigator bunga low invest, good option
>executioner order bring shaman grug, see grug through wall and other grug, bash with rock
>shock stick bash any grug good
>bring rock to throw at tricky grug too
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pretty good listening
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How important is this node for heavy-spamming weapons such as the slab shield and karsolas?
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>>556115182
They shafted him in the physics department too
>slow and sluggish, worse dodge momentum, worse acceleration etc (this is good, makes him feel big but is an objective drawback)
>takes the exact same amounts of knockback from everything (this is bad, makes him feel light and is an objective drawback)
they gave him the drawbacks to go with the drawbacks. Cool!
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>>555981442
Hello sorry. I'm looking for general opinions on a good gun to run on Arby as someone who is generally built for and using their shock maul. I REALLY like the way the shotpistol and riot shield feel, the shotgun also feels fun and I've been trying to feel more comfortable using the bolt pistol. I'm heavily leaning toward the shot pistol because I like the comfort of not having to worry about getting whacked while focusing disablers I see running at my team and that's kind of all I use it for. I just wanna get a general idea on it in higher difficulties because I don't want to be throwing just cause I think it's the most fun. I could learn to like "better" options.
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It's the ability to move freely while swinging that is the real benefit
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>>556116190
Here's a solid place to start
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>>556091318
because you can knock poxwalkers behind people and then they start hitting teammates in the back. Basically spreading the enemy out instead of keeping the enemy in a choke point. It's not the end of the world but it is annoying.
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>>556125196
It makes no sense on paper, it's critical infrastructure you want to last a long time. Even if that weren't the case, what's the point of biodegradable cable jackets when you're still selling plastic bottles for every conceivable liquid by an order of magnitude more than you would use to protect fibre optic cables? It's ideological theatre.
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>>556128015
In my country we spent 2 billion dollars to "electrify" an oil refinery. We're making the oil refinery "green". It doesn't make any sense because the gas we no longer use to run the refinery, is just sold off and burnt elsewhere. So there's literally zero benefit for the environment. We truly live in an age.
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>>556116190
just use the exterminator shotgun
shit hits like a freight train and arbites is the only class that has it
need a shield? well as luck would have it, you can also take a shock maul & shield as your melee weapon, and that shield comes with a flashbang special attack that staggers everything other than monsters
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>>556111724
Not important. It's very important on stealth zealot because when you stealth, enemies run away from you and you can't catch up if you're slown down. On ogryn it's the opposite, you have taunt and enemies are coming at you, you just have to time attacks and dodges to kill them or knock them over with your fat ass to not get hit
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>>556133195
b...but they already got content like a week ago...
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havoc bwos...
a-are we back???
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>>556139201
Anon.... they all died 6 months ago...you have to let go....
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>>556130008
The Greater Good?
More like The GRATER POO!
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>>556140606
The vast majority of people live under a brutal regime designed to grind them to powder to uphold it, so the promise of power, influence, indulgence and freedom from pain and death is a tempting lure. Chaos can give people those things, but most cultists go in not understanding that they have to have the strength to take it, just the same as they would under the imperium. Most people don't even know that chaos exists, and if they do they're not aware of how horrific it truly is, all they know is that it offers an escape from their miserable conditions so they fuck around, by the time they find out, it's too late.
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>>556140606
Life is hell
Nurgle gets those who just want the pain to stop
Khorne gets those who just want to burn it down
Slaanesh gets those who want to escape into pleasure and distraction
Tzeentch gets those who want to make things better, if only they had the power to do so.
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>>556140606
Chaos is literally the spiritual force that whispers whatever you want to hear into your ear hoping you are too weak to resist it. Many are and many will fool themselves into thinking they are strong for doing it and dying like even more worthless fodder than they would have before.
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The random lines about the hiveworld Tertium being a shithole between the characters are hilariously understating it, in 40k it isn't uncommon at all for hiveworld governors to be the walking embodiment of "BabyKiller bezos genocider child rapist pedophile who personally skins 50 billion poors alive and then salts them just because he's bored." That's just the norm for many hive world sectors, and that would be considered a very moderate position. So when some dude comes by and says he can offer you something that sucks less for your poor life, it becomes very tempting.
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>why do people fall to chaos
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She cut her tits off too
Libtardism is a disease
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Okay, but when Andy from accounting shows up at the office in the morning looking like that, you might PEEEERHAPS assume that something is wrong?
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>>556143014
Come on she's clearly one of the good guys
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>>556116190
Arbites is so ludicrously effective at crowd control by existence I usually prefer something with more range and precision on my gun.
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>>556136638
Yeah and with the classic Helldivers cycle they'll spend the next 6 months in a content drought, scratching their heads trying to figure out how to fix some of their retarded balance decisions and glaring bugs.
This is just how it goes for HD2
>Shit ton of content drops thats been sitting on the backburner for months while they figure out how to unfuck themselves
>Radio silence with filler story beats and maybe a warbond or 2
>Finally have a small amount of new content release to prime for the big drop
>Repeat
The peaks and valleys on the Steam Charts population parallels this pretty strongly
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My sweet summer child, the damage stat for shotguns is a calculation abstract enough that it may as well be lying. The mk 8 has a tighter spread and higher damage per pellet, take both marks into the meat grinder and shoot at a Crusher's head from mid range to illustrate my point.
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somehow I don’t think that’s enough
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>>556144924
About the "more successful" part? Yeah, I guess, but what do you care if the game has sold more copies and has like 50k average players instead of 7k? If anything that makes it more baffling that both have been mishandled to very comparable degrees.
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I've had infinitely more technical problems running HD2 than Darktide. On two different PCs. Which is quite the accomplishment.
Reinstalled HD2 recently and it nearly bricked my PC. Game froze during loading. Weird noises come from my fucking monitor speakers of all places. Hard reset. Had to restart the PC like 12 times before it would boot into windows again.
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>>556142913
The problem is that by the time Andy starts looking like that, Jerry, Seth, Matt and Eric also probably look like that and you find yourself surrounded by them with daggers in the bathroom when you go to take a piss in the urinal and they give you the choice of either joining them or getting stabbed to death. Then you also look like that.
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This is also a good point Kek
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It’s probably closer to 95/90 percent but yeah
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>>556129253
Fascism is a loose term for "side I don't like" anyway. I think we're both keenly aware that both sides are just retards. One of the knuckle dragging variety, and the other of the creaky old geezer variety.
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There’s no state alive that could be called that anyway, it’s just a buzzword used by people with a stink ditch between their legs and clueless idiots who don’t understand they’re adopting the language of people who hate them.
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>COR WE'RE BLEEDING PLAYERS MORE AFTER WE RESET DOUBLOONS, I DON'T GEDDIT!
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>YOU GET A TANK! AND YOU GET A TANK! EVERYONE GETS A TANK!
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Things we will get before Skitarri:
Eldar
Votann
Space Marine Scout
Ordo Assassin
Sister of Battle
Snotling
Genestealer
An actual Necron
Tzeentch Cultist
An Old One
Knight Pilot
An actual literal Imperial Titan
A Blank
Commander Farsight
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Turns out all the regular force swords are really quite good if you bother to learn and use them.
The penis sword just has really convenient and easy-ish combos, and also attracts cheaters because you can swap cancel the animation for retarded DPS.
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That officerial one is really quite neat, just a shame when Zealot gets anything guard-adjacent it's disheveled, cracked or broken most of the time.
I wish they'd make some proper ministorum priest/ecclesiarchal robes to actually LARP as what Zealot is based on, but Fatshark seems allergic to cloth below the hips even though the Arbites premium cape flaps around stupidly and no-one bats an eye at that.
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The modding discord has a mod that blocks this behavior. Again no idea how real of a threat it is but that seems like a smart thing to mod out.
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no but it's something similiar, it blows up your console log with hundreds of thousands of entries that say something like
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>>556179550
I look like this
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>>556175486
>but Fatshark seems allergic to cloth below the hips even though the Arbites premium cape flaps around stupidly and no-one bats an eye at that.
They precisely don't do that because the cloth/robes would look awful and glitchy as shit.
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What does all of this effect? Is it all classes?
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>200k-300k times per mission
This was a session today spanning over 5 missions or something like that. I can't find any log file that comes even close to that number of writes.
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Different guy here.
I'm guessing he was using the "a" look-alike from the Russian alphabet to circumvent the filter but a 4chan filter turned it into a regular A since ctrl+f for "path" highlights it in "Psychopath".
Here's a list of letter lookalikes you can rip directly from:
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How strong would be FnP be if replaced it with a suped up Progenesis?
Would it be too OP, was spitballing alternatives for Ogryn tanking overheads without health gating.
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becuase Ogryn deserves something better, I guess it's easier for fatshark to copy paste True Grit to atleast get something
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I can't be bothered to watch the whole thing, but at any point in Rawk's half hour diatribe about "muh Ogryn is actually NOT the worst class, sweaty" does he offer his opinion as to which class actually IS? I only skimmed the video but every point I skimmed to, he was talking about Ogryn and not about any other classes. So it seems to me like in his mind Ogryn exists in a vacuum and doesn't have to be compared to every other class, and because Ogryn has ONE really good build, that means its not the worst class. He seems like a bit of a brainlet.
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It's a balance for sure but he needs SOMETHING. What fucks him up is that he has actually pretty horrible safety nets compared to other classes. I think he actually gets killed by 3 shooters the fastest out of all classes on havoc. Vet can shout and refill gold toughness and get gold and has absurd effective toughness due to iron will and huge numbers, zealot can relic and gets until death, psyker has shield spam and emphatetic evasion, arbites has retarded regen numbers, even hive scum can obviously be straight up range immune and he has safety net talents on top of it.
Meanwhile ogryn has nothing. He has charge to dodge some ranged but then you get killed fast as fuck anyway. The toughness gen on taunt isnt enough to change anything. He just gets burned instantly and dies because unlike the others he has nothing to bridge a gap. The closest thing is steady grip but somehow I feel like it's bad design for the tanky melee tank ogre class to be incentivized to slidespam left/right while bracing his gun.
It would be nice if he got a period of extreme DR each time he lost 20-50% of his DR, not sure about the balance here. Just ensure he dies the slowest under direct fire. He SHOULD die the slowest under direct fire.
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Nevermind nigger. I read that wrong. You meant worst class. It's zealot. Zealot is the worst class in the game but that doesn't mean shit since zealot can be a meta pick in h40 anyway.
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>>556194296
Zealot has much better build variety, better weapons in his arsenal, a far easier time staying alive than Ogryn, far better damage output, far better mobility, it doesn't take zealot an entire business week to switch to his ranged weapon take out a special, and Chorus is THE strongest get-out-of-jail-free card in the entire game. Zealot has problems and might be the second worst class, but man it feels way better to play than taunt-bot Ogryn.
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thing is that ogryn DOES sort of exist in a vacuum. He's the only class with such utter dogshit movement mechanics that he has a far harder time evading damage.
this means his tankiness can't be compared to other classes. He should have far more of it to compensate, but Fatshark keeps nerfing this because they can't figure out how to make ogryn tanky AND killable on malice.
Offensively he has so much stagger that he also needs to be regarded differently. He should be one of the very few things in the game that can stagger crushers or open bulwark shields by banging into the shield. Instead, he's one of dozens of methods to stagger a crusher so thats already not good value. He's also outclassed at staggering bulwarks by many other things.
Basically fatshark is scared of making ogryn actually unique and instead balance him like the other characters, but they forget that he's inherently worse than them because he can't fucking sprint around a corner to kite or climb half the fences in the game.
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should mention, I played a game that used to be good called vindictus. The big, giant, powerful character there was objectively worse at dodging and doing damage. The only things he was better at? Being extremely tanky so long as he kept attacking, and he actually had a mechanic that could stagger bosses. Like a clash move. Very cool shit, grabbing a bosses arm mid attack to hold him in place for your team would fit ogryn extremely well. I think monhun wilds lets you do this too
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>>556195494
>but they forget that he's inherently worse than them because he can't fucking ... climb half the fences in the game.
Reminder that this is a simple bug that requires but a few lines of code to fix, fagshart are just too fucking retarded to do it and not accidentally roll it back or somehow break something else in the process
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>>556195830
just extremely poor bait anon. Ogryn is the only class that CAN'T do that because if you don't do the movement mechanics properly you just die. Ogryn is the spammiest class when it comes to sliding and dodging, and it needs to do it to survive on H40
it works, but it's a dogshit way to balance a big musclebound tank class. If Ogryn didn't have support slut skullcrusher nobody would ever bring one.
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>>556195985
I need to correct you on something.
YOU can't do that. That's because you're a massive shitter who can't clear h40 with even the most braindead class in the game. It has nothing to do with ogryn's movement speed since you're always in range of hitting something in h40 so this is never ever an issue.
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eh I dont consider breaking the spawns by hitting spawn cap and rushing to be actually beating H40, since you're not actually engaging with the game at that point, you're specifically doing it to avoid having to chew through enemies.
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>>556196296
You mean like literally every single ogryn in h40 because it's a braindead class that just wins by spamming heavy attack without engaging with any of the mechanics? Sorry but if you're too much of a shitter to play the easiest class in the game then that's on you.
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>>556176767
>finally put caution stripes on bolter
>cover stripes with scrap wood and metal
Thanks Sweden
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>>556195859
My nigga Karok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKSDgO6I7vk
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>>556046560
Engineer. Was lucky enough to get head hunted by a big company and gradually became one of their top producers. Now I bring home a cozy paycheck (orders of magnitude more than nearly everyone I know makes) yearly and do most of my work from home, soon to be more hopefully if I play my cards right.
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Ah, I'm retarded on two counts. Thanks.
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>Loose Cannon
>6 frag grenades
>Serrated blade
>Flesh Tearer
>Lacerate
>Puncture
I had fun.
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the devs released a blessed map and set one last christmas giveaway to autopilot and then was raptured away. the keys to vermintide have been placed under a basket of dirty laundry to ensure that nu-fatshark cannot tarnish the legacy of the good Christian devs who gave us the gift of Vermintide 2.
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>>556215178
stupid reddit retard
LOWER THE DIFFICULTY
havoc is meant for the sweatlords who have 1000 hours in the game and already figured out all the kinks
>b-but I want to play the highest difficulty
if you ain't cut out for it then just don't
and don't ask the devs to make it easier for you either
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>just saw that DRG season 6 launched like five days ago
>wonder how that flew under my radar for so long
>realize i haven't seen any anons talking about it
... That bad, huh?
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>>556218418
Life support season made purely because rogue core is well behind schedule. Contains nothing of substance. If you thought the game was missing another extremely basic mission type like mining expedition or egg hunt, it’s here. The cosmetics are tolerable but nothing special. There’s a new infestation warning type that has a slightly different meta that swarmers but not really. The season event is a side objective that exists, and will stop mattering the second you are done with the season. That’s all.
Rogue Core early access was meant to be out November of 2024, as per their plans October 2023.
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>scarab enemies
These are good, but they're only guaranteed in the new biome.
>new biome
Good.
>new mission type
It's just drillevator without the drillevator. Needs a second stage of some kind.
There's really just nothing to talk about, DRG is officially in maintenance mode.
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>new Helldivers 2 patch
>decide to play again
>complete 3 missions
>boring as fuck
>zero challenge
Why is Helldivers so easy and boring. I want to like this game but it puts me to sleep.
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I don't see how. Its almost impossible to die if you just take the supply pack. 8-16 heals and practically unlimited ammo. I just don't get it. Shit blows up in a couple of bullets now. New stratagems with nukes blowing up entire objectives brainlessly.
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You're gonna wake up the schizo who throws his whole build at making uzi's suck less against carapace.
Personally, I just use IAG and ding crushers if I have free time. I cannot bring myself to like the uzis from how spastic their recoil gets.
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>>556226523
Stop using autoguns on carapace and switch to your melee weapon to deal with them. Either heavy attack shivs or alternate mode can opener crowbar. Or just use the rocket launcher like everyone else bar ONE (1) psykhanium schizo.
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>>556222345
That has very little to do with how skilled players are at completing missions. Your impact in a major order is always divided by the total amount of players that are ingame, so success mostly depends on whether everyone agrees to do the same thing, including actually wanting to fight the faction of the MO, and not credit farming.
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Haven't played since the months after launch, and then fucking around a bit since they did the first crafting update.
Is the game good yet? They've added Hellguns to the Veteran by now, right? Right?
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The game is fun for what it is. Good is subjective. I personally think the game is good. There is nothing else like it out there. Fatshark is just so slow to develop. Most co-op shooters are boring and slow for babys like helldivers 2 and Deep rock. Darktide is fast paced with constant action.
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>>556231567
yes. Official statement by GW. All new video games have to follow this rule. You see it in the upcoming Dawn of War 4 and the Total Warhammer 40k trailer. Laser beams are gone forever.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/cvvjq1ua/las-canon- how-the-astra-militarums-indomitabl e-lasgun-works/
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>>556195985
>If Ogryn didn't have support slut skullcrusher nobody would ever bring one.
Actual fucking truth nuke.
Ogryn is fucking DIRE, there's also talks from the fucking playtesters that they want to specifically nerf Skullcrusher, like half the stacks at least.
If that shit goes through it 100% just going to kill ogryn as a class.
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>>556231732
No part of this mentions any hard requirement for all future media to have them work one way, in fact
>Of course, some variance in colour is explained by the energy interacting differently to different sorts of atmospheric conditions, not to mention the many patterns and variations in use across the vastness of the Imperium.
This actually indicates that they don't really care all that much.
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>a yellow bolt, not even a beam
>looks identical to effects they use for conventional weapons
>to the point where the conforming trailers for upcoming 40k games already have a sea of indistinguishable yellow projectiles
I give it a year until they walk this back.
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>>556231930
We've had beams for 20 years. Now suddenly every single game uses bolts. Of course it's a requirement. Even the Battlesector devs said they were required by GW.
If GW didn't care they wouldn't have written a whole article full of half truths and lies to defend themselves. Color hue can have some variation, but it has to be a bolt.
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>>556232234
40k fans are notorious for still giving gw money no matter how upset they are. We got female custodies, chuds and lorefags got mad, and then 99999 fat fucks buy the brand new female custodies models. There's no pressure on games workshop to change their ways
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>>556240794
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>game called toxic commando
>racial slurs in voice chat
>mfw I'm banned for being toxic
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>game called HELLdivers
>mfw it's more of a boring purgatory
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>Game called Vermintide
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CT3HDZa8dQ
I'm hoping/guessing we're getting a low rank Admech class since a lot of games are getting Admech content (Mechanicus 2 is dedicated to it). Perhaps some sort of Technomat/Tech-Adept/Enginseer/Tech-Priest? Taking a look at Dark Heresy, Only War, and Wrath & Glory makes me think this is possible.
Then there's the Cryptic codeword, which could be a reference to the lingua-technica, religious mysteries, obscurantist tendencies of the Admech and their Techno-Arcana. Cryptic could be a reference to Death Cult Assassins or Scribes/Adepts of the Administratum, but we already have 2 classes with stealth and designing an interesting Scribe for a FPS would be a design challenge (and not particurarly interesting thematically IMO).
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>nonnegotiable nig and dyke in your squad and potentially forcing you to play as them
>saber
>after everyone already experienced their idea of live service and matchmaking with sm2
>story is very clearly a wet turd, characters suck
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SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNCTvXpXtMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tled7hiieeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS-nFC29yy8
https://youtu.be/oRIyw-pJkUk
ratbros explain yourselves
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>story in a horde shooter
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Auric is completely unplayable rn all the giga retards whose iq was too low to even find auric when it was on a seperate tab are now in and noobs from the sale are in. Sticking to H40 as a refugee where those giga retards will never be able to get thanks to agressive gate keeping. Too bad i have to suffer with the party finder but alas better that than playing with drooling giga retards. The severity of which the average retard is retarded is unironicaly making me lose hope in humanity i am ashamed to be of the same species as these specimens these creatures. Thanks for reading my blog like and subscribe
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Disturbing.
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>>556272294
Dorktide "story:"
>some dipshit asshole is getting sent off to die
>oops our spaceship is under attack
>comically unprepared
>oh wow this "reject saved my life"
>guess that means I'm obliged to save yours in exchange for countless suicide missions
>first kill this heretic officer
>okay now kill these other two officers
>okay now rediscover moebian steel
>okay now infiltrate the traitors and nurgle cultist's drug trade
>okay now send this letter to space
>okay now turn this factory back on
>okay now go interrupt the drug trade
>oops traitor
>in the mean time go stop the drug production
>got the traitor btw
>you are no longer some dipshit asshole, you're on the team blud
And then we forget about the entire first part because they gave us Robert Cop with Dog in tow.
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>>556272847
>>you are no longer some dipshit asshole, you're on the team blud
More accurately you're still a dipshit asshole but you ARE part of the team.
You're not more important than before, just under new management.
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>>556271882
I personally would rather play with the giga retards than put up with the long downtimes that partyfinder induces
Also half of them are retarded to a funny degree. I say one word on voice and they start roleplaying about "for the emperor" style in chat. It's kinda endearing
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I think I understand why so many people find ogryn hard to play. They see a gunner 40 meters away and they're conditioned to go "oh shit, I need to pull out my ranged weapon and blast that nigger" and then they find that ogryn has no good ranged options, so their only choice is to slide towards the gunner.
This is a playstyle issue. Don't bother pulling out your ranged weapon. Just keep swinging your pickaxe at the horde while moving towards the gunners. You regen such an obscene amount of toughness per swing that even in h40 you can do this quite easily.
That kinda sound stupid unless you play like this and know that it just works. Very often I have the most ranged elites killed as ogryn without ever pulling out my ranged weapon in h40 because I just casually make my way over to the group of gunners while swinging at trash mobs.
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When there's an event I just play ogryn so I can carry my team through anything. I also do the same on weekends to deal with the shitters and also weekdays, morning, evenings, late night, EU refugee hours, and sometimes holidays.
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>>556272847
Don't forget Dukane suddenly stepping in
>stop that train before it kills me, the emperor protects, the guard prevails
>i'm taking your guys for a job, the emperor protects, the guard prevails
>we found a heretic bastion so i'm taking your guys to go attack it, the emperor protects, the guard prevails
>we're gonna look over this stuff you found so see you later, the emperor protects, the guard prevails
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>blue stim
>100% stink stacks
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>>556277853
I've noticed that I seem to get attack and movement speed when inside the green cloud, what exactly are the effects of this event? I wish they'd explain this stuff better, especially when the event raises the difficulty so much.
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>>556278772
every stim you use gives you a permanent stacking buff (+10% each time to 100%) that you get when in fart clouds. so eat every stim you see until 100 and tell your team to if they are just holding them. helps to play a class that can live in fart clouds like arby or ogryn in general
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I mean, it works for most people, horde shooters usually make do with less. You’re also leaving out the background details/lore but given how slowly that stuff develops I guess I can’t blame you.
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>>556281652
the event was literally designed to get people to use stimms more. I have watched people walk right past healing stimms while on their last wound. I have watched zealots and ogryns bypass combat and celerity stimms and die to hordes. I have witnessed psykers pass concentration stimms because they have no idea what the fuck it does.
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>>556271882
>implying h40 isn't full of retards
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>>556281808
And they still don't use stimms. If anything this event is ass cancer because 2/3 of the ammo spawns and 90% of the grenade spawns are now a rainbow of stimms nobody will use because there is literally too many.
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>>556282015
>he plays without inspect mods
I only theoretically face theoretical retards by declining them after inspecting an obviously retarded build. In practice I only get one every couple groups. Wipes aren't usually just one guy's fault, and if they are, it's some retard veteran thinking it's time to bring frags (it never is).
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>Absolute retarded dogshit player in quickplay
>so fucking bad I have to check his steam profile
>it's a slavgroid
>again
>always
Redpill me on their low IQ and why they're like this.
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>>556286880
Basically a mixture of brain drain eugenics, alcoholism, and the juxtaposition of hyper-patriotism with a culturally deep rooted inferiority complex producing easily tilted players.
As far as I'm aware, at least Russian culture looks down on video games as a purely kids/manchild thing, so they extra don't take it seriously.
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>switch 2
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>ogryn can stay alive when there's shit in melee
every class can
the problem is when there's no longer shit in melee and now you're just a class worse than everyone else. And yes there are pure ranged sections even on h40. that's when you have to be a cuck behind a corner with steady grip, or do
>dodge sideways
>slide
>dodge other sideways
>slide
while everyone else gets to just sprint at the ranged or kill them with a good ranged
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>>556296791
also just venting at this point but peopel always go
>but ogryn dodges are actually better because they go further xD
meanwhile they have dogshit velocity values and no linger and longer dodge cooldown. What does this mean? You can't chain dodges seamlessly AT ALL, you can't even spam dodge left-right half as frequently as a human class can because Ogryn actually has the momentum of a 300lbs american so he can't just turn on a dime.
speaking of evasion he also has the worst sprint properties other than stamina consumption, which means he takes the longest to start up a full sprint and he can barely turn during it. this is relevant when you're trying to sprint at an angle. his slides also have cucked velocity compared to human classes who literally get rocket boosters on a slide, meanwhile an ogryn slows down during it so you can't chain them or you eventually become stationary
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also I should mention: I like all of those things because it makes ogryn feel like ogryn, but I despise those faggots who act like he isn't at a distinct disadvantage on h40. he's the least evasive class but gets not out-of-the-ordinary tankiness tools to make up for it
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wonder why you'd even bother posting some low effort canned shit like this
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>>556297442
horus heresy
>>556297671
you don't have to do the hyperaggressive sperg act like this in an attempt to fit in. when people don't know an abbreviation and ask it's ok to tell them
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>>556297695
>wonder why you'd even bother posting some low effort canned shit like this
Because the arguments you're making are so dogshit that they're not even worth discussing. Just a plain old fat skill issue. Nothing you said holds any merit.
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>>556298419
No he was pushing his own dumbass ideology onto it, assuming his stupidity would be corrected. Which it was by you. Here's a mother fucking question for you, when talking about Warhammer 40K what the fuck could the abbreviation "HH" mean in context. A fucking GOOGLE search could have answered it but instead he decided to be the dumbest Izzat chasing bitch on the site.
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>>556298523
Better mad than dumb as fuck and outright unable to use the plethora of tools at your mother fucking finger tips to figure out exactly one abbreviation littered to the fucking core with context clues that you could have extrapolated on. But, no. You chose the path of the fucking buffoon.
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>>556298943
>follow a conversation
but I just did and nobody mentioned 40k. it was about darktide, a coop game, and someone out of nowhere mentioned the "HH card game". anon asked jokingly if it means heil hitler because he wanted to know what it refers to.
this is what's causing your off-topic meltdown. just get over it man, what the hell
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When is the next major patch for shopclick?
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>>556299191
>warhammer 40K: darktide is in no way related to warhammer 40K, idiot
This is you. This is what you are saying. The Aquilas currency and the Havoc game mode are not related to Warhammer 40K, only to Darktide which is in no relation to Warhammer 40K.
Izzat Status: MORTAL DANGER
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>>556299325
the last we've heard they're working on a new class, it's probably that and some minor shit like a new wep and maybe a tiny new map alongside
The optimistic take is that there have been references to "expeditions" found in the game files. They've also been adding stuff that refers to cadia and warpgates. If you put 2+2 together and cope REALLY hard you can hypothesize that maybe there's a cadia-themed chaos-wastes-equivalent gamemode coming this year. I'm not sure if I should believe in it but it's fun to think about
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>>556299335
Can you stop? Anon made a joke and you experienced a hostile kneejerk reaction over it, everyone can tell, there's no need to spin a bunch of rationale to avoid admitting you just hate jokes about nazis.
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>>556299652
Cry about it, faggot and learn to use google instead of your stupid ass voice.
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I think this guy has been banned for the past 3 days so now he has to make up for it by kicking his weird hyperaggressive ultra-ego-stroking posts into turbo mode. Just give it like 2 more hours and he'll still be posting but all his posts will be about how he btfo'd everyone ITT by fucking their assholes raw. its that guy
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I checked for you, consolebro.
It doesn't crit, it does slightly more damage on a direct weakspot hit, and stimms do boost its damage.
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>I'm white!
>no I'm white! You're a brown!
>no you're brown! I'm white!
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>>556297476
>but ogryn dodges are actually better because they go further xD
This is also actually wrong, ogryns just have the same length dodges as human classes do, they aren't any longer.
Meaning in proportion to his hitbox and size, has shorter dodges than the human classes. Which is wild.
You are right about the rest however.
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>>556302912
I prefer crit/flame. The soulblaze helps to burn out the trash while you focus on managing the elites, and the crit also helps the primary fire (which very useful for dominating ranged enemies)
Brittleness does little for the staff itself and is more a team support option.
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Kek
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And that’s a good thing
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>>556299758
you’re wrong
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>veteran lvl 1500+
>Auric Storm Survivor
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>>556307782
That fellow looks like me Psyker.
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>>556315625
I eat shit called havoc and I like it
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Copaganda tranny tier spergout
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my thoughts exactly kek
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>>556322646
That’s cool. I’ve never been hospitalized long enough to know. Hope you feel better. :)
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daily reminder that team based games have team based compositions that are yet to be meta but are more viable than whatever current meta is and usually it takes minor balance tweaks for these to be stumbled on
hoard your secret 4 man premade comp well lest it be nerfed
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>>556326442
some people don't understand that you can describe every role in a team specific composition with sparse description to make it sound retarded
>zealot just side shuffles and spams light attack
>psyker just plops down shield and spams staff while being carried
>veteran just side shuffles and spams plasma gun every now and then
it's the brainlet take on a cog in a well oiled machine performing their function
ironically it is the same reason that clueless companies hire tons of indians to do work that requires skill because dunning and kruger effect sees their role as "just sitting on a desk typing if or's", it's also why they thought AI could replace humans in coding in its current state
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>>556327130
skullcrusher and high melee stagger, decent horde damage, with some weps decent boss damage. he creates space out the ass is his main feature, and he lets you kill everything quicker via skullcrusher
I don't think he's that bad but it's a fact that ogryn is the only class you have to dodge dance like a motherfucker on or you get raped. the guy who keeps saying you can just w+m1 is just some scrub who never played anything above h20
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