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>Anniversary Recap
https://x.com/Persona5X_News/status/2037942475546071150
>Character banners
[4/2-4/30] Mayumi Hashimoto 5*, Kotone Montagne 4*, Yukimi Fujikawa 4*, Kayo Tomiyama 4*
[3/19-4/16] Kasumi Yoshizawa 5*, Motoha Arai 4*, Kiyoshi Kurotani 4*, T*m*k* N*ge 4*
[3/26-4/9] Haru Okumura 5*, Motoha Arai 4*, Kiyoshi Kurotani 4*, T*m*k* N*ge 4*
[3/26-4/9] Futaba Sakura 5*, Motoha Arai 4*, Kiyoshi Kurotani 4*, T*m*k* N*ge 4*
>Weapon banners
[4/2-4/30] Nebula Pennant (Mayumi Hashimoto-exclusive) 5*, Formula Pennant (Mayumi Hashimoto-exclusive) 4*, Edelweiss (Kotone Montagne-exclusive) 4*, Heavy Metal Pain (Yukimi Fujikawa-exclusive) 4*, Emerald Charmer (Kayo Tomiyama-exclusive) 4*
[3/19-4/16] Royal Etoile (Kasumi Yoshizawa-exclusive) 5*, Divine Sword of Sinai (Kasumi Yoshizawa-exclusive) 4*, Crime and Punishment (Motoha Arai-exclusive) 4*, Death Stinger (Kyoshi Kurotani-exclusive) 4*, Shad*w Cr*wns (T*m*k* N*ge-exclusive) 4*
[3/26-4/9] Last Quarter (Haru Okumura-exclusive) 5*, Gilgamesh Axe (Haru Okumura-exclusive) 4* Crime and Punishment (Motoha Arai-exclusive) 4*, Death Stinger (Kyoshi Kurotani-exclusive) 4*, Shad*w Cr*wns (T*m*k* N*ge-exclusive) 4*
[3/26-4/9] Technomage Ultra FS (Futaba Sakura-exclusive) 5*, Cyberdeck Pro (Futaba Sakura-exclusive) 4*, Crime and Punishment (Motoha Arai-exclusive) 4*, Death Stinger (Kyoshi Kurotani-exclusive) 4*, Shad*w Cr*wns (T*m*k* N*ge-exclusive) 4*
>Guides and resources
Character building:
lufel.net/?lang=kr
lufel.net/?lang=en
Synergy Guide: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gbV0OY_6K579nxUa5FuDcOkbxDc1VJD5ejjq3d kuELs
Banner schedule: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Isx1vTD2ccZrdmtwiNpeJlIYkpExVdzOlbODTL oScoo
>Chat Emoji PNGs
https://mega.nz/folder/zZUkSRID#UHs3AK6fB-rnNy8S3mWKgw
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>>563057685
It's just different.
Game is very weird with its descriptions, and I feel some is just painfully wrong by now. There's pierce and pierce now, one is the def ignore, one is actually res ignore (likely).
Just like Kasumi gets more Highlight damage based on steps, but that isn't a damage% component added to all the other dmg% components. It's too impactful for that.
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>>563057908
Really wrote a whole paragraph to say nothing. For example, here's my def down calc for this SOS for violet side. Pierce reduces the total def as a percentage before applying the flat def debuffs from things like Rakunda. That's why it's really good to build on teams so you need less flat def debuffs.
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>>563057908
For what it's worth luffelnet's defense calculator calculates the Ryuji 35% 'ignore defense' as Pierce instead of Defense Down. Might be Ryuji still does decently despite being a day one standard: he had a bunch of pierce built into his kit back when pierce sucked, pierce got buffed, but his amount wasn't reduced to compensate.
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>>563054823
Gacha games like releasing a bunch of damage dealers as 5* and letting buffers/supports be 3-4* but this game has good 5* buffers too so lower rarities are probably not gonna happen since they'd have no place to shine unless they make astrolabe 3 times larger
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>>563043823
Uuuhhh
Fleuret still gets use occasionally (skipped Mont).
Puppet is great for auto-ing boss fights Ann lost a lot of ground thanks to CNY Rin, but Ryuji is still solid (helps that I’ve rolled him a lot).
Once Cherish becomes standard It’ll probably be him - he is legitimately an excelled defender, and I have the A1 so he gives pierce to the rest of the party.
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>unless they make astrolabe 3 times larger
I’d be down for a bigger (but not more frequent) astrolabe. It’s one of the more fun modes
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>>563067579
We can cope all we want but if they aren't 5-star in any role, they suck. This isn't FGO where the 4-5 power gap is sometimes smaller and 4-stars are ironically more likely to be competent damage dealers rather than the supports, and the support tax is heavier on their 5s.
Probably the biggest thing that makes FGO unique is that they're really good at growing character popularity and letting the collecting of characters be the game's biggest draw, even 4-stars.
Whereas chinks suck at understanding popularity or letting it organically sprout, so they really VERY heavily on meta, power creep, and treat almost all character releases as one-and-done. It's honestly very sad since they could do so much better IF they had half an ounce of actual sovl sometimes.
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>>563069309
I don't know what FGO is doing these days but back when I played some of my most used units were 1-2*
That said when they did release 5* supports they completely outshone anything and everything but they were still sort of reined in by the cost system limitation
Since there's no such limit here all you really could do for 4* units is to have specific fight rules that benefit them over a 5* option or even just banning 5*s outright but that would require more 4*s being released since there's too few options to pick from right now
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>>563069870
Yes yes, cutie, we get it. "reeee I hate the popular thing"
>>563070074
Ehh that low was always cope af and it's crazy people ever embraced some of that.
Party size is a big factor here compared to other games as well. We've got 3.5 slots (I'm not counting Wonder, and I'm only counting Navis as .5 max since there's like no flexibility there, the pool is small like Wonder).
FGO has 5-6 slots and you tend to expect your front 3 to die or other stuff to kill/die/rotate 2/3 of your frontline.
Like if you look at Makoto glued to Chizuko, no one wants to use Makoto anymore, the tax of running Chizuko is too high. Even saboteur twins can barely enable Makoto, or she has to S1.
You'd need MASSIVE power creep on most 4-stars to make them desirable over even running an off-type without score bonus who just can run a better team.
And I see no reason to do that in these chink games. Just let 4-stars not exist.
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>>563071185
Nah they weren't cope you could do some fun stuff like plugsuit in Mozart for a guaranteed critical. Back then it was good enough but who knows where powercreep has taken the game at this point
They could take the KR game route and giving second awakenings to low ranked units to make them keep up with 5*s. There's even a system for this in CN I believe but they're using it to boost the 5*s instead.
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>>563071365
Why does it feel like you are 1 very specific regular here... given all you can do is short incoherent seething shitposts.
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I quit FGO a while ago but it is funny to see that I was correct in my gut feeling.
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>>563072580
It's funny because I'm not even Tomokobro. I simply like her enough to post with her sometimes, like reminding people of Assam Tea on Sundays.
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>One of the first people seen in the game
>Shows how apathetic Wonder was when he doesn't react to her jumping
>Parallels the best friend of the first party member by being hospitalized
>Not a real PT and just a Tulpa
I don't get it
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This is what true Phantom Thieves fight for, the right to see her smile.
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>>563081983
He's a retarded mokofag assblasted that she got powercrept and is trying to cope by saying FGO does it too when their entire 10 year history is all about buffing old units to be good again even once heavy hitters like Merlin.
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>>563084725
We only have Moko/Twins/Marian/Yukari and what fucking Morgana for healers? Whenever we inevitably end up needing 3 healer/guardians for SoS, you'll still most likely run Moko or whatever for a long time in our server.
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>>563085491
You don't necessarily run a healer with every team. For example Makoto and LDRin use Junpei instead. By the time we get a triple team end game mode there will be a new healer/shielder out.
>You will run Moko in our server
Only if you have Haru. Otherwise you just use Twins lol
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>>563085483
The calculator treats it just like 35% Pierce. With ~10% Pierce from his revelations & navigator, A2 Skull + A1 Turbo with 10+5 skills and correct rotation has 76%/81%/86% pierce as Turbo's Torque Boost passive levels up. A Janosik Rakunda cast before the first god hand goes off would fully put defense at zero, then the second and third god hand would just need to have rakunda or marked up. Similar results with Vishnu Nirvana.
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>>563082907
Anon, Miyu is Puppet, to be clear. (I think you might be mixing her up with Mio/Matoi???)
She’s a day one 4 star.
>>563085491
And cherish, and nu-Onions, and Junpei
>>563089475
>past the rebate
Rough buddy. Bad luck
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Did you guys pull on the 80 banner?
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>>563090243
You only have 1 twins. Junpei/Super Onions are a good while off and I doubt many people took Cherish due to him being standard. Yeah, she'll fall off eventually, but Moko will have her use as filler for a while.
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Chat, is she DTF?
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>>563096971
Is she going to check for the smoke detector in my room?
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>>563075171
Well given it's a "content creator", knowing that they have a direct financial incentive to attack certain targets matters. So chances are this is someone propping us up solely as a bludgeon against Mihoyo.
>>563075317
Exactly, there's almost no genre parity here.
It would be like a video saying Fortnite is better than Slay the Spire II.
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>>563097285
Samefag probably but I've been gone for a lot of hours, turns out that other people post too.
But as usual all you do is greentext no reply seethe most of the time.
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>Damn,
>Is that really it Anon??
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>>563099012
>Cries samefag
>Proceeds to samefag
Its not even funny anymore. Just sad
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>there's still people here who talk more about the "schizos" they made up in their head than the game itself
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AAAAAAAA VIOLET-SAMA LEAVE ME ALONE
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>>563113357
He's good for Nightmare's Gateway when you're forced to use a medic. The units that can outperform him are the Velvet Twins (Medic) or a high awareness Summer Tomoko. He's not worth pulling for a new account since you'll probably get access to Marian who is worse than him but still very usable.
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He's skippable if you're a shitter. He was BIS for forced guardian/medic guild battles.
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IT'SS MOTOHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA'S BIRTHDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, MOTOHA ARAI! LOVE YOU SO MUCH
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>same bosses without any fine tuning
>weekly SoS with same bosses and conditions in a row
>everything is bugged, even fucking badges
This whole Turbo patch is a fucking embarrassment and Sega/Atlus must be accounted for this mess.
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>>563089475
Depends, how lucky are you feeling on rolling a 1 in 10 in the future? Are you holding all gold tickets for her addition to the standard pool or spending them as you get them? You need that first copy before you can spend future awareness selectors/chests on her.
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>>563128092
Well that's pretty boring but I guess I won't complain about being able to get 500 gems in 5 minutes.
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>>563126256
It's just really easy now if you've been keeping up on new and stronger units. They haven't scaled the difficulty much. It only gets "hard" when you're trying for 50+ and forced to take annoying modifiers. And even then, spiritual ailments still work well.
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>>563113357
Absolutely not worth you limited tickets as a f2p. He's great at shielding your team from harm but far too expensive for a quality of life character. He is not required to clear anything special that no other character can do. You can live without him and he should enter the standard banner pool somewhere next month. Just wait it out and roll for new characters instead.
He will however be one of the best characters in the future against the enemy waves of the Elemental Painting fights. We should get that somewhere around the Luce/Shun patch.
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>>563151663
Pierce is a highly valuable stat. Putting 20% flat across the party is actually really good for Cherish/Marian’s A1’s.
Does it keep up with the numbers increase of using a dedicated support like Turbo/Chord/Vast Wind etc.? No, but it also means your party isn’t dead, so there’s a bit of a trade going on (and there’s also the BS SoS/Companio fights that make you bring a Guardian/Healer in which case they really shine)
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>grown men and women crying over a mascot character
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Motoha birthday
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Based Atlus
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She 18 yet?
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Yeah Sumi
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They should turn joke bosses into actual events. Saves up a fair amount of time concepting them.
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>>563197768
Yknow
I sometimes forget that Yukimi has a flail and then I have to go think
Damn that’s kinda fucking cool
And then I remember that she was going to be the protagonist but then they changed the story so she’s a side-side character with very little purpose for using
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https://x.com/Someru_chan/status/2042563529824227599
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rabu
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rabu indeed
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>multi psi-weak boss again and again and again
Beauty thief pullers won in the marketplace of ideas or something
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EXPAND
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>open the game
>get the free shit on the shop
>complete tasks and choose other ones
>clear the daily three Turbo fights
>spend three actions
>dailies are done
>look the time: everything's done in less than 5 minutes
Game's so barebones right now. I agree we don't need one hour dailies but c'mon, make me want to play your game and spend money.
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>less than 5 minutes
>Takes 15 minutes for a daily task to finish
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>>563241990
The 'Enhance Skill' mindscape nodes for SYN/SAB/Anyone with skills that increase/decrease something 'up to X' where X is based on a stat the character has, will usually include an increase to the cap for that skill. To hit the higher cap, you need more of the stat its based off of. 180 is enough to cap the skills effects at lvl 10, and 194 is needed to cap the skills effects at lvl 10 + 5 levels of Enhance Ability from mindscape.
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The first 3 levels that use the cheaper Stardust Gems are a pretty good low investment boost to Turbo, so long as your Speed is sufficient to utilize the increased speed cap.
For the more expensive Venus Gems that you only get 5 of each astrolabe, stockpiling to cap both of Ange's Enhance Skills nodes as soon as Ange comes out makes sense. She scales off attack and unless your cards are actual garbage she should be easy to attack cap to fully utilize her 10+5 skills.
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>>563244861
On Character sheet or in combat? You get ~2 points of speed from thieves den/thieves rating if you are decently progressed on thieves den/thieves levels. Check in combat and see if you were going off character sheet.
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navigators don't give speed unfortunately.
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They should fix that bug
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Are there gonna be better wind personas in the future?
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>Reddit loves Riko and hates Miyu
This is everything you need to know about who's the worst and who's the best girl.
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>An actual war was forming and breaking out during that time
>Instead of meming about that again, two following numbers became such a forced meme that it reached Brad's wife levels of repetitiveness rather than actually being funny
Purge gen z
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Do you fags gonna get off on repeating this shit every third thread?
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So what is gonna be the next standard Idol?
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She’s a really good unit, like there isn’t a better sweeper until SS Miyu
And you can pair her with pretty much every support (Howler, Matoi, Chord, VWind, Twins, etc.) and it works
Manko soup is still on the menu
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>early lv100 upgrade
>doesn't need to share her best support with anyone and will always have them available
>also steals Makoto's dedicated fire supports for herself
>does this twice
>devs favorite so her boss gets frequent returns
She never left and will only take a brief summer vacation before returning stronger from her training arc
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>>563352929
>>doesn't need to share her best support with anyone and will always have them available
Are you implying that this shit is something good to brag about?
>devs favorite so her boss gets frequent returns
You're retarded, got it. F. Rin defenders are deranged retards and posts like this just confirm that.
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Anon most people have like A2-3 ann, and those are day one players
Either you’re spending money and you have the option for A6 Ann or CNYaoling - in which case you should choose Yaoling because she’s better, or you aren’t spending money and you choose between A3 Ann or CNYaoling - in which case Yaoling is still the more economical choice and is even more of an improvement
The only circumstance where you don’t want Yaoling is if you’re not spending money, you were completely out of in-game currency at the time she came out, and you - though a very strong amount of luck - had managed to randomly pull A6 Ann. And that’s a super tiny amount of people
>don't need another character like Matoi to make her work lmao
Ann is substantially better with Matoi. Ann wants Matoi just as much as Yaoling, it’s just Yaoling gets more out of it.
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>>563355829
Okay. Most people in the same situation don’t
I explained that in the post you’re replying to.
Look at your Haruna / Ryuji / Mona / Rin (normal) ranks too. Minus the selectors you had the same odds of getting them A6 instead of Ann - and that’s been diluted for a while with Yumi and Minami
They’re not all A6 or A5 anon
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>most people have like A2-3 ann, and those are day one players
I mean if you are hodling all your standard rolls & selectors to instantly A6 Turbo in 6 months, maybe you are that low on Anns. I feel like there was at least 2 or 3 standard selectors in the plans/levelling up process, all of which would logically go to upping Ann.
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Day one, no money ever player, and not a hoarder. I’ve got
>A2 Anne
>A1 Rin
>A3 Mona
>A6 Haruna
>A4 Ryuji
>A1 Marian
>A0 Yumi
Though tbf - what might be a balance point is how much you’re spending on weapons instead of picking up extra standard units. I have 5* weapons for all my 5* except Mona, Haruna, and Yumi, and I’m missing only 4 limited units
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Damn. I've paid over $3k and I have:
>A3 Ann
>A3 Rin (curse)
>A1 Mona
>A2 Haruna
>A1 Ryuji
>A3 Marian
>A0 Yumi
That's 20 instances, compared to your 24.
Although I am sitting on 60 shards that I could exchange, 378 gold tickets, and 70,700 gems.
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>Shiro
Huh? I'm a small fry; doesn't that dude have multiple A6 limiteds and shit? The highest I have is my A2 Smoko.
$3k is an exaggeration, it's actually closer to $800, but that's still a shit ton since it's just burned for essentially nothing.
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>most people have like A2-3 ann, and those are day one players
>I mean if you are hodling all your standard rolls & selectors to instantly A6 Turbo in 6 months, maybe you are that low on Anns.
DURRRRRRR MAYBE RNG JUST BE RNG
Fucking dumbass.
I've only started holding gold tickets (few dozen now) since the 5.0 standard expansion announcement.
I have pulled 1 single natural Ann I think, putting me at A3. The others were the various selectors.
You know what I've never used any tickets on?
THIS GODDAMNED FUCKING CAT!
You know what I just got from my most recent 165 during Turbo pulls?
ANOTHER COPY OF THIS GODDAMNED FUCKING CAT!
Awww sweet, 5 pull refund I fucking guess!
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>>563391485
cards are probably the best, you probably have enough mats at this stage of the game to level future characters and if not things like thieves secrets and events give plenty from the shop. maybe you could do bells and stock up on them but they only give flat hp, atk and def so it isnt that important
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Full set of materials to max level the next character you are rolling on
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>You know what I just got from my most recent 165 during Turbo pulls?
>ANOTHER COPY OF THIS GODDAMNED FUCKING CAT!
A higher payout from excessive dupes.
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do you mean 4 star or actually the 3 star that you but with yen? its up to you and mainly depends on how much you value getting high scores in things like companio and sos, if that isnt much of a concern you can roll with whatever weapon you like really. ive been a bit critical of people like youtubers who say stuff like how you need certain 5 star weapons and act like its worth potentially missing out on future characters if youre low on jewels
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not him but im pretty sure blitz might be one of them if they do exist, its interesting because it might be the only 3 star weapon thats listed on lufel because it gives her speed which she scales off of a lot and her 4 star gives attack which isnt as good usually on debuffers
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Okay so then, I thought I had bound and linked my account but when I click User it still says I can Bind Account, I know I'm being retarded but no other gacha I've played has had a 'guest' account nor do I understand why you would ever want one in a gacha
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when you go to user > bind account the symbol next to whatever way you chose to link it should be a red link like its giving you the option to unlink, if its blue that means you havent linked it with that specific service. when it comes to starting this game the best time to play a gacha other than on release is as soon as you can but either way since its been out for about 9-10 months id say powercreep isnt that bad and you get some selectors to help catch you up, youll be fine doing most content with standard 5 star characters and like the other anon said the anniversaries coming up soon with probably the best character in the game for a while coming that youll probably want to get
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Ah so it's red for both google and link account and there's nothing else, so I guess I'm good. Thank you. I'm a bit of a Persona 5 shill but I have a bit of burnout with the P5 universe in particular so I didn't download this at launch, now I have a shiny new phone I might as well, it does look gorgeous at least
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>>563450338
>Good time to join?
As good a time as any. You can safely burn the gold/standard contracts as you get them. If/when you get Ann and
Ryuji from the standards you can invest on levelling them up and clear 99% of all story content. re
Use Ann and Kurotani/Key for group fights, and Ryuji and Leo/Leon for single target fights. That should be sufficient through story content. Kasumi is nice but not mandatory if you don't have enough limited rolls to get her before her banner ends, but you should definitely skip Akechi next patch, then hard roll for the Ange navigator on the patch after Akechi. She is top tier powerful and everyone rolling for her.
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After the P3 characters they have teasted something called P5FES. Could be the strikers characters that were datamined long ago or maybe the awakened forms of the original P5 characters. Old units are also getting lv100 upgrades in the future, Joker and Fox for example are back to being pretty good on the asian version of the game. If you want some pull advice then navis > supports > your favorite newest single target + aoe dps will last the longest. Or just pull favorites and have fun without worrying, this game doesnt gatekeep you from anything but leaderboard scores anyway.
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No.
Fencing posture is such that you’ve set the majority of your body mass very far back. Only your sword arm and the front leg are forwards. Both legs should also be bent - the back to allow power when pushing off, and the front so that it can extend forwards in a lunge.
Frankly she has no idea what she’s doing
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>>563376053
Yeah the pool sucks when it takes half a year before new characters get added. On the plus side you will eventually be able to get extra currency when you roll an A6 dupe and you can then exchange that for good stuff like build-your-revelation-card items, rainbow coins, echoes and character awareness triangles. It should work retroactively and count your past pulls too, but im not sure.
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Chat is this real? China actually has a national holiday for incels?
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>friendzone the rich bich
>she gives you a look that makes you think she'll be the next person to jump off a roof
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>>563513242
Don't forget, there is also a selector lined up for the 2nd anniversary that features him.
It will be the ultimate test to see if Akechi's stalkers actually give a shit and sit out pulling or dumping into him if he gets no upgrade.
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I'm gonna A1 regardless but Twins mauled the shit out of him in literally all aspects except maybe AOE damage
It would be crazy if he didn't get some very significant buff/rework but I don't think CN has done so, so the prospects are quite poor
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Will they announce the Nagao Manaka synergy? Satomi acting like a cucked Tomoko with every romance-able synergy is the only thing that makes the livestreams watchable.
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Moko Key Yuki Puppet worst comp
Moko doesn't have anyone to buff their attack.
Key doesn't have anyone to set up burn or benefit from this fire increase.
Yuki/Puppet not sufficient sustain, so Wonder still has to shield/heal.
These phantom thieves would get filtered by the turn counter relatively early in their story.
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>took afew days, maybe a week or so off
>get the comeback bonuses
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>Missions are "Do X stage or higher to complete"
>decide to do the very last stage
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>did not count for any of the missions except for the one thats for the last stage
>"OR HIGHER"
Right, i came back for this bullshit willingly.
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He does atleast have a niche in linking dream where he is still the best aoe subdps even on asia even at A0. Its barely anything considering that gamemode shows up once every three months or so but still..
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>>563558267
I like Akechi, but with the caveat that I hate fags and redditors and their delusional headcanon more.
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I'd argue it's Chie who's the most filler out of the P4 party for similar reasons to Ann in P5: strong start, but then it's clear the writers didn't know what to do with her. Kanji, at least, has memorably funny moments post-dungeon and shipping with Naoto to carry him. Chie only really had Mystery Food X, which was a group effort and more associated with Yukiko.
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>strong start
Chie is one of the worst characters in her own game, but that aside none of them have strong starts and all of them are useless because the party isn't allowed to solve anything about the mystery until the detective gets in the group thanks to there being 0 meat to the mystery.
The writers poorly masked this with those scenes where they sat in a circle and tried to speculate about the MO every few ingame months. Yukiko does nothing, Chie does nothing, Kanji does nothing, Rise does nothing, Yosuke is the centerpiece of the drama in one scene, Naoto infodumps everything while Adachi hands them everything in the last 2 months of the game, the bear is there just so they can get in an out of the TV world and find out where the second to last dungeon is because for some the writers decided of everyone they needed to find something for him specifically to do no matter how tiny it was, and not a single P4 character has a compelling individual arc either, especially not the early game ones where they are either 10 minutes long or shared with another character.
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>>563575063
I assume you just rotate the 2 and 5 to 3 and 6 so it's 3x6=18?
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>>563584237
>this big ass marketing push they're trying to do for the Crow release
>kek
HUGE BUFFS CONFIRMED!
>>563588085
No shit, the Cognitites are specifically for Ascensions only. They're not tickets, never were.
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The main persona account is running a social media thing for it, it's a lot more than they normally do
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>Snrk, haha, you guys make me laugh. Don't you think it's funny when the bodies show up the next day with those ridiculous faces? Life's so boring, having to just do what you're expected to do. What's wrong with a little bit of fun?
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>>563614663
Japan likes the P3 protagonist, they care remarkably little for anything else about it and this has shown consistently over the years. Chinks do not give a single solitary fuck about anything besides P5 to a fault though
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She's Bless/Curse/Almighty. P4G added the other elements to try and shake her up but her damage is not very good outside of Ice, so an optimized Naoto is something like
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Even if you don't count the first two arcs it's still not nearly as good at this point, inherently the story format is worse but then you've got how the priority for the cast was character interactions to generate revenue instead of having compelling stories. Unbound desire wants to be having a second awakening during the plot of the game but none of the ones so far have been any good and one came literally in the middle of the arc someone was introduced like they were handing out personas like candy which was a big issue in P5R's endgame but still better done. Really it just shows anyone that was asking for that in P5 proper was retarded which I was already saying for years. Really the only interesting things in this scenario are being slowly dripfed, and doing P3R events to pad out the dead space was a mistake and they probably thought P3R would be way more popular than it actually is when in reality less than a fiftieth of the people that listened to that one song from it actually played the game
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im liking it quite a bit, it could at least a little close to how good vanilla p5 was but since its a gatcha i kind of have some doubts that theyll do anything really different or special and would probably want to save some stuff for p6 since its being written by some people at atlus. i havent played lots of other gachas but from what ive seen it sounds like jt has a better story than most
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>Unbound desire wants to be having a second awakening during the plot of the game, but none of the ones so far have been any good, and one came literally in the middle of the arc someone was introduced like they were handing out personas like candy, which was a big issue in P5R's endgame but still better done. Really it just shows anyone that was asking for that in P5 proper was retarded which I was already saying for years.
I don't believe that the concept of "characters having persona evolutions mid-story rather than optional social links" is inherently flawed. P3 proved it was perfectly possible. That being said, I agree it's not Yusuke Nitta's strong suit (as he wrote both P5R & post-Miyazawa P5X).
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P3 did not, because P3 opts for second awakenings INSTEAD of first awakenings with a couple very specific exceptions (and those exceptions incidentally are some of the worst writing in the whole game go figure) instead of the narrative trying to accommodate both for every character, which is what P5X is trying to do
This is something that did not meet the expectations of a lot of people that got into P3 with Reload at all after all the shit that was being talked about this aspect of the writing for years. A lot of people thought they were getting both, and it turns out the characters don't land nearly as well when they get their magic powers offscreen
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You didn't bring up first awakenings in your complaint that I quoted. I don't believe there was anything particularly offensive about the initial Orpheus/Thanatos awakening or Fuuka's either. But either way, the core of what I was addressing was mid-story second awakenings, as Unbound Desire already comes post-first awakening, and you yourself concede that P3 did it better.
Besides, P3R is damaged by the fact Atlus decided to use P3 Portable's script of the game (because that was the one they ported to PC) instead of the original/FES, and since that script was written post-P4, they change shit unnecessarily in a manner that conflicts with the themes, like this retarded shit like this during the final Takaya fight.
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I will always be mad at the fact they removed Junpei talking about his dad and realizing the kind of hopelessness that drives someone to drink while everyone's panicking about the apocalypse.
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>SLAMMER arc vs Kamoshida arc
Not even a contest.
>Miyazawa arc vs Madarame arc
There's some parts of P5X's take that I like, but overall I'd have to hand it to P5.
>Katayama/Akashi arc vs Kaneshiro arc
Both are the weakest arc (so far, in P5X's case), but I'll give it to P5X on account of these two being at least marginally more memorable than Kaneshiro and Akashi introducing the larger plot better than he did.
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>you yourself concede that P3 did it better
I did no such thing, what P3 does is barely any different from what P4 and P5 do because there's no first awakening for almost the entire cast, only the second awakening happens onscreen and because of how the content is paced you have to wait 20+ hours longer for anything interesting to happen with party members that were there from the start. P5X is trying to have both of them actively in the story, which is what P3 fans were gaslighting braindead P5onlis into thinking their game had for years when it never did.
P5X is struggling to make this work, but this is not something that P3 ever got right. I would argue it never even attempted to, but someone could easily argue that it did and failed because some characters have both even if almost all of them don't. So P3 absolutely didn't prove that it could make this work.
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It's only not here because it got moved into his FeMC social link, which is not in the demake at all, and it's not like anyone working on it would've thought to look over what they were cutting when their job was just to copy shit like they spent their entire academic career doing
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>what P3 does is barely any different from what P4 and P5 do because there's no first awakening for almost the entire cast, only the second awakening happens onscreen and because of how the content is paced you have to wait 20+ hours longer for anything interesting to happen with party members that were there from the start.
I don't believe that's entirely fair, seeing as P3 does a lot of things differently from 4 and 5 due to being directly after the Oldsona era. Junpei and Yukari, your very first two, had running subplots directly seen in the story itself rather than reserved to their social links (Junpei's jealousy of MC and the Chidori romance, Yukari seeking answers about her dead dad and tension with Mitsuru). The only real direct analogues to how P4-5 do things is arguably Fuuka and Ken.
>P5X is trying to have both of them actively in the story, which is what P3 fans were gaslighting braindead P5onlis into thinking their game had for years when it never did.
Look, I'm just saying if we could get shit like Akihiko's Polydeuces > Caesar and Junpei's Hermes > Trismegistus scenes, the concept isn't entirely without merit. Though, thinking on it, is it even fair to either game to compare P5X to P3 in the first place, given that Unbound Desire is more of a temporary surge narratively-speaking?
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>I might have to skip her (Ange) because P3...
I'm not the cops, do as you please. But you may regret this choice.
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>No notable buffs for Akechi
>Manaka became the highlight of the stream not even five minutes later
>A fucking OC dethroned the Fujo king after years
>The chat has the same users announcing their dumping into Akechi changing up to dump into Manaka instead
*Breath in*
PFFFHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHHPFFFAAAA AAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>the synergist rework was a typo
>the akechi marketing push was a fraud
>the massive GLB buff didn't happen
>kasumi GLB buffs overshadowed Akechi buffs
>most notable portion of his livestream was wheel-chan standing up in her synergy
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Mostly.
He can also Mastermind (Detective Partner) himself now and be a solo dps. It adds some scaling to his S3 it looked like, so I don't know how good it is in practice.
It's likely fair to treat him unchanged from a meta standpoint.
People too busy being fags with their agenda to just tell it straight like that.
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it cost me about 130k gems to a6r6 a character and id say my luck wasnt that extreme in any direction for it, probably around that desu or maybe 10-20k extra if you want to be safe. not sure about just a6ing without considering the weapon tho and if you have the artisan thjng and fodder weapons if youre going for that
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>cant put together any team comp that would activate the 2 flames effect on a twins team
>dagger literally only fully works with pablo pancakes
Is ex machina set to allmighty superior to a plasma blade that cant activate the two flame portion for JC dps teams?
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I'm in the same spot. Attempting to post with an attachment times out without posting. Without an attachment, it times out but the post goes through.
Gonna assume it's some regional crap in the southwest.
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bros i need help
>can i skip Fuuka?
>should i skip Fuuka?
>can i casually clear astro and sos without Fuuka?
i want to pull the original p5x character first before the collab one. and my pull planner is too tight if i am unlucky enough and need to hard pity all of them.
the dev also said that they will push the same element team more in the future update, so i thought Yumi will shine more in the future (CMIIW), that why i want to cut Fuuka if i am really unlucky with the pulls
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What other fucking dagger matters? Arc Knife is a meme. You're a faggot if you got Messa's. Starry Compass is universally useful. Glimmer is good for Violet and will be relevant for Luce 5*. Fire one is good for Rin and Makoto Yuki. The ones we're getting beyond this are situational and not the end of the world if you don't have them.
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>>563689208
If you only play casually then yeah just pull whoever you like, you can clear anything in this game with minimal investment except for some event badges and getting high leaderboard ranks. Astro will only get easier with time as each new dps is stronger than the last and you can brute force it. If you do pull Fuuka then get A1 or nothing, she isnt nearly as good or as fun to play without the flexibility A1 offers. It offers a higher freedom on which turns you can swap characters.
Personally I would never skip a navigator. I got her on release at A2 for the free highlight/theurgy at the first character swap and shes been well worth the investment, shes really good with characters like summer puppet and radiance closer that benefit from smuggling an extra character into the team. Its up to you if you like that playstyle or would rather save up your gems for something else.
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>>563691630
Theyre technically all situational sure but why settle for far fewer rewards due to segas negligence? The upcoming daggers are all worthy of purchasing, assuming you arent skipping the relevant dps. We have electric/curse/ice/nuke and then three engrave upgrades after that. It may be tough to keep up even with some skips at the rate that joy medals are rewarded.
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>>563699307
The people getting salty in chat over this was pretty funny. Twinlets stay coping.
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>>563700916
This, I genuinely find astrolabe to just be a huge chore.
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>>563699307
I'm surprised full clear is as much as 20%
That means as much as 20% are not spending more than 2 attempts on the giga cucking nodes
But it does mean no matter how much shit anons talk here, most are in fact not clearing fully yet alone 1 cycling the stellae.
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>>563704465
Yep, almighty is horrible as a damage dealing element and doing split elements are mediocre in their output. Shit like Mont works because she switches to a different iteration of her kit centered around either freeze or windswept but splitting it up always ends up in being either underwhelming or being sidelined for only one element being better in the skills.
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>>563706740
Mont has a more versatile use case. Passive shield up when the opponents attack, stunlocking opponents, decreasing SP cost or shredding off defenses of the opponents.
Akechi only provides a 15%~ overall buff to another Idol while while Mont inflicts either 30 to 40% debuff to foes or 20%~ buffs to your whole party. Mont is my waifu but the global buffing scene is a underwhelming mess. They promised to further improve the Ice version of her skills but they haven't done it yet (Which is odd to not have happened now since they her rerun banner starts today). Akechi is arguably more weird. You would think he would get a great improvement to his kit, he's (unsurprisingly) the most documented Idol alongside Ayaka and is memed constantly about being bad at A0/1 to just being mediocre at A6. You need to dump over 70k of jewels to make him more useful.
And he's not even merging well with Curse or Bless Idols unlike Mont who merges nicely with Wind or Ice.
Akechi's a mess (Which is fitting his overall storyline)
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>>563699307
The math on these has to be poisoned by defunct and lapsed accounts. Only 20% full clearing with redo's only makes sense if they are counting all the +30 day AFK accounts as part of those who haven't completed.
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>Look at that. He didn't get the joke.
>How would he? He would have to play the game.
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>>563711636
You can deflect all you like but it seems to me you didn't even make a joke to begin with.
Like for example
>I'm TIRE'd, senpai!
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>Whining while simply retelling someone else's joke isn't funny, it's just sad to witness.
>What do you mean a joke? That would imply that Royal was funny.
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In other words you have nothing but falling back to muppets when your nonjoke flopped.
At least some other times you did this skit, it was almost funny, and now it just looks impotent.
There's medicine for that at your age, I'm sure, but call Takemi if it lasts for more than 4 hours.
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If he didn't want to get roasted, he shouldn't have said Ann wasn't Fire.
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>>563713410
And the crowd goes mild.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpGtBnVZLSk
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>What is anon showing?
>The amount of people that actually played Royal instead of watching it.
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>>563713765
>Kamoshida got medals for even partaking in the game he loves
>Too bad the same can't said about the people who defend the game he's in.
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>>563714794
He can now use Mastermind on himself and less than a 10% increase on each of his skills.
Compare that to literally the previously added Idol and it's a fucking joke. That move alone actually generated interest for Manaka in web traffic and discussion lmao.
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>Akechi's patch isn't even working straight
What a Royal failure lmao.
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Astrolabe is my favourite “end game” mode. Much better and more entertaining than just running whatever unit just came out in nightmare / trials.
(I am in the 10% - though i wasn’t like.. 2 astrolabes ago? Not the first one but the one after that where it was very difficult, that time i was in the 20%. But all the others yeah)
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>>563716709
I doubt many 1 turned that aoe fight with 1 guy having damage reduction until the ads are gone.
Neither aoe nor ST shill. Only a very strong Wind + Mont team could do this one. And by strong I mean lots of vertical. A1R1 Twins, A0R1 Mont, A2R1 Wind didn't do it, not even remotely.
The current one was in comparison giga free. A0R1 Chord, A1R1 Twins and A0R1 Violet overkilled the enemy in turn 3 by 50%.
Balance in this game is poop.
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>What a Royal failure lmao.
Well played.
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>>563716831
Not a single issue here, looks like a third world skin issue.
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>>563717492
If you're talking about the Angels fight meant to shill Mont some months ago, I did it with A0R0 Mont, A1R0 Twins and A04* Wind. The fight was just luck based since you basically had to autistically check HP values and hope that Freeze didnt land on your DPS.
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>>563714092
I don't understand why are you even here if you don't like Persona 5.
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>>563723016
>Are People actually dogpiling bad decisions in a game and mentioning the outcome of those decisions?
>Nah just one person saying it over and over again
Jesus christ the insecurity levels are off the charts. If devs make bad decisions then let it be known.
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>>563723472
>Hey Statler look at those bozos misinterpreting our comments on purpose to steer the attention away from the problems of the game
>They would fit right in Maruki's world where no flaws exist.
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>Turbo patch
>awful patch content-wise, filled with bugs
>almost no one here calling out that piece of trash patch
>A-At least we can build up more gems r-right?!?!?
>Akechi patch
>zero issues so far, 300% more content than last patch
>AAAAAAAH EVERYTHING IS AWFUL, AKECHI IS JUST THE WORST BAD BAD BAD PATCH CAN'T WAIT FOR ANGE
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most mentally ill poster in these threads
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>>563723694
>zero issues so far
Garbage connections issues mentioned by >>563716127 and alongside the response chain as well as being trackable through a online search to consistent, rewards of the "300% more" content are lower compared to previous patches which are a replay of Sumire's Patch (Which you conveniently ignore), the buffs done to Akechi don't fix the inherent problem that still exists within his kit, Twins can effortlessly provide buffs on their own more efficiently, A6 is still required to make him actually stand up to the A0 or A1 brackets of other Idols for a poor investment ratio after months of documentations from the CN side on how Akechi should be fixed.
Playing dumb and making out that no one had a problem with Turbo's patch shows how far you Akechifuckers are willing to lie to make it not look that bad.
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>Calling some parts of a game bad is now seething, anon says.
>Don't be too harsh on that buffoon, Waldorf. He's playing a way more awful game for years and he hasn't ended it yet.
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OG P5 fucks continuing to be mind broken and predictable cultists lmao.
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>>563724569
He probably doesn't even like Persona games, look how he parrot the same shit every JRPG tribalist tell about this game. Must be an FF7 Ever Crisis fan mad because his shitty game is going to eos this year lmao
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>the patch is shit
Ok, I guess, but I was talking about his seethe around Persona 5, not about the patch from the gacha. The guy is here in the Persona 5 gacha general crying about how Persona 5 is bad.
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>The ones criticizing the update or Akechi's gameplay get attacked by either skin color, being fans of some other game out of nowhere or just constantly making it about the users
>But not a single refuttal against the points made like in >>563724259
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>>563725704
Those are Statler and Waldorf posters, they are literally known for heckling. You seriously overreacted to the rare times they showed up where they even made a jab at the gacha characters or their posters. Holy fuck how did this flew over your head?
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>>But not a single refuttal against the points made like in
I already did NC, SoS and the new boss, not a single issue with lag here.
>less rewards
Comparing with what? Earlier patches? Chinese patches? Do you have also the numbers to back up it?
>Akechi is bad
Oh no, one bad character, my gacha is doomed! WHO GIVES A FUCK? Unless you're an Akechi fangirl, just not pull the character and move on.
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FYI you do an absolutely shit job pretending to be multiple posters when your english is garbage to start with and you can't even begin to pick up on how two or more different people would type in it thanks to your native language being some chicken scratch where everyone reads identical to each other
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>>563727248
Reused events of Sumire, delay/connection issues with bosses, the point of the global buff falls flat with Akechi still underperforming, any named issue didn't noted before hot fixes making the early ending of the maintenance a waste or a sign they didn't do enough testing. Super rerun banner got dumped entirely as the cherry on top.
Turbo's patches were dominantly technical. This one is technical AND gameplay wise just poorly.
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>Reused events of Sumire
The boss and the dungeon stages are completely different. Meanwhile Turbo had the patch 1.3 Trial of Thorns without a single adjustment to make the bosses survive more than 2 hits. Also how the patch quality has anything to do with the character from the new banner? Are you implying that Ange patch is going to be the best patch ever because she's a T0 character?
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>how the patch quality has anything to do with the character from the new banner?
Akechi was expected to receive notable improvements. He's the memed potential man of Phantom X because he's only listed alongside other Idols with A6 only, the expectations were in the changes making it more reasonable to acquire or use him without multiple months if not half a year of hoarding. That hasn't changed. The only change is him being an DPS himself by his own skills which is still below other Idols.
This patch is a 4/10, which is embarrassing for potential newcomers. Global changes are supposed to be more appealing to those favoring a character but this has done nothing to live up to their own words. I am not gonna defend or sideline issues because accountability needs to be a thing despite all the passes.
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>>563729409
You didn't answer my question. Why are you coupling up Akechi potential with the patch's quality? Like I've asked before: are you implying the content all-around from the patch with bosses and other events is just good if the character from the banner is meta?
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>>563726332
I had it lag so weirdly in the Mont trial that Shun almost took 2 turns in a row because it took his turn, lagged, reselected him to go, and I almost got an input in.
So here's hoping they clean that up, they did some jank shit.
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>>563729827
If Akechi struggles in his own patch then it says a lot about his appeal and use cases. Meta plays second fiddle in this but Akechi is poorly handled overall, end of the story. Dedicated Curse or Bless builds do more than with him with less effort, Twins steal away his almighty gimmick. And a newcomer who has problems with something he wants to like and sees other characters do it either better or simpler then its bad.
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Not even subtle lmao. No compensation and go fuck yourself if you wanted to use twins on top of Wonder being unable to trigger the sos almighty buff (he is allowed to do this in china btw, and they dont have elemental x3 multipliers either). Global players being treated as second class citizens once again. Glad I switched to Tw when they announced the 6 months standard jail.