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Well, we had to get a dogshit OP image eventually.

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>hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up spork* my name is Nemlei but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me ^_^…"

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sisternet poster was too slow again, you'll get it next time

>>563227413
The Sisternet pic was better.

>>563227874
Goatse is better than that crap, desu.

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>Anders... It's not your fault.

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>>563227989
Correct, it's Mom's.

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>>563227923
ですね~

>>563227923
It's not that bad, it just feels kinda random. Like a OP pic for a PS1 surrealist game rather than Coffin.

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>>563227989
>Don't fuck with me, Dad! Don't fuck with me alright, not you...
https://youtube.com/shorts/NV79Oe1GNPA?si=XVVU56Sg8_Y0kxe8

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Ashley (not Leyley) will love her inbred kids.

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My wife Noelle!

Literally who asked?

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Stick.

>>563228610
Hey! That's his wife, Noelle!

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>Andrew... It's all your fault.

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>>563228784
Stickley.

>>>/his/

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>>563228975

>>563228992
Frenchley is the most important character in the game, lorelet.

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Brickley.

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>Andrew...it's the fault of the state, we must cease the means of productions.

>>563229183
I can't believe Andy smashed Nina's head in with a Brickley. Just like that...

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Nyeh!

>>563229212
>cease the means of productions

>>563229320
Douglas seems like the kind of man to like Kaczynski

>>563229471
In my experience, most of the people I've talked to either think he's crazy or post "le heckin' uncle Ted" memes but don't actually grasp his ideas at anything more than a surface level.

>>563229640
>im so le misunderstood intelectual

>>563229729
Yeah, that's not what I was saying.

>>563229640
He was a retard who mailed bombs at innocent people because he thought it would make people give a shit about his manifesto.
Now he's used to sell mugs and youtube ads on videos and he deserved no better.

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Threadly reminder bratty sisters are in dire need of hard ANAL correction!

/calg/ – Retarded ethnic enclaves having a dick measuring contest with other people's penises rather than theirs.

>>563229782
>He was a retard who mailed bombs at innocent people
Ah yeah, this totally happened btw

>>563229980
I can't help it, Frenchman replies and I just have to bite it.

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>>563228174
おわりだ)

>>563229980
My sister is better than yours by the way.
>>563230131
It's your insecurities showing.

Imagine how good french women are at sucking cock. Jesus.

>>563231041
>My sister is better than yours by the way.
Factually incorrect.

I have the hottest sister here

>>563231098
My bloodline is also purer than yours.

>/his/ - History & Humanities
Literal fan fiction nonsense.

>>563231239
If you say so.

Gentlemen. There's only ONE way to solve this dispute: Post the child you had with your sister and we'll judge who has the prettiest sister through judging which baby is the least ugly.

>>563231275
What do you mean?

>>563231527
The "history of humanity" doesn't exist, at all. We have no past, we live in fiction.

>>563231524
Too long, didn't read

>>563231664
>we live in fiction.
Then this show sucks and I want a new writer.

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>>563231817

>>563231952
>all non-Germanic peoples
So you hate all people? Since germans hardly qualify as people. They're are more like garage equipment.

>>563232117
Hate is a strong word, I just have a strong in-group preference.

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What's /calg/ opinion on Solipsism? Why does solipsism answer every existential question?

>>563232181
See? Even the anglo vassal doesn't want to be anglo.

>>563232606
It's gay.

>>563232624
Do you get some sick kick out of baiting or are you just genuinely dumb?

>>563232606
I don't perceive the answer to your question and thus there is none.

>>563232740
>You can't genuine have won, it has to be ironic
Cope

>>563232648
Why?

>>563233358
I said so.

>>563233378
Wow...

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God this bake sucks so far

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What's /calg/ opinion on Thomas Pynchon?

>>563233816
Not my favorite but neat prose.

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Hussyball

>>563233827
That's right, chud. Keep it on topic and talk about how much you love Leyley

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>>563234021
A whole bunch!

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>>563234021
I love this little creature

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>>563234021
This oppression will not stand

>>563234076
>>563234176
I want to fuck this thing.

>>563234221
Why are you so mad?

>>563234221
I remember when i got banned here when pointing out that some dude in a dress was not a woman in any capacity. I didn't even start it, it was a response to a detractor derrailing discussion.

>>563234371
I do.

>>563234483
Why?

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>>563234076
>>563234176
Leyley lovers shall inherit the Earth

>>563234483
Exactly, nobody.

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>>563234581
We love our precious daughter.

>>563234371
>>563234508
Uh hoh

>>563234275
NTA but look at /omg/, those poor fuckers can't even posted screenshots of their Harry Potter mobile games without getting their post deleted or banned.

>>563234758
>but look at /omg/
I'd rather not.

>>563234581
>>563234698
I want to fuck this thing so bad, my cock belong on her throath.
>>563234758
>/omg/
What /x/ has to do with this? /omg/ has been dead for ages because of Ape

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…There’s a report button?

>>563234903
>Ashley said, after procrastinating on her assignment for two weeks.

>>563234867
>What /x/ has to do with this?
What? There's two /omg/s on /vg/, who mentioned /x/?

modanon are you going to smite me if I reply to that French midwit, even if its just once more?

>>563234820
You don't have a choice.
>>563235030
There's no 'modanon', anons (reportfags) report to jannies who don't interact with the threads who then report to admins.

>>563235176
>There's no 'modanon', anons (reportfags) report to jannies who don't interact with the threads who then report to admins.
Do they really get that upset from off topic discussions even if its just for a little?

>>563235030
Not a mod, but it's best not to. Off topic is off topic and you might get caught up in it
>>563235176
>reportfags
This is such a silly term to throw around when ALL the deleted posts had NOTHING to do with Coffin. It was all off topic.

>>563235176
>You don't have a choice.
I literally can just not look at it, it's so easy. Kind of like talking about the Coffin of Andy and Leyley, which is a fun game enjoyed by cool and attractive people.

>>563235275
They can't get it on if you're speaking about the french.

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>sells daughter to organ harvesting scheme, justifies it for her not getting a job
>never got her drivers license
>won’t drive her anywhere

Why are shitty parents like this?

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Ash-oui

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>>563234698
I would've spoiled this little thing absolutely rotten. I'm not fit to be a father, I could never tell my baby no

>>563235332
I can't help but occasionally derive into nationalistic arguments, especially when some fucking midwitt is taking the piss out of me.

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>>563235484
Love this goblin like you wouldn't believe.

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>>563235429
She's sorry. OK?

Haven't visited a thread since the last episode was out, What have I missed?

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Miss this bussy

>>563235651
Well shit, she said sorry, what can you do at that point?

>>563235663
A few devlogs, that's it.
And we've got a reportfag now.

>>563235651

need I remind you this image was posted April 1st

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>>563235651

>>563235776
Anon, you can't just make new terms every time your ass gets chapped.

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Could /calg/ attempt to do something like this but for something Coffin related? Like manifesting the chapter 1 or 2 events in reality or something like that.

>>563235830
Anon, you can't furiously spam the report button while screeching and then complain you're being called a term that has existed on this website for more than a decade to describe you.

>>563232942
>selectively choose which arguments to respond instead of admitting your wrong because le French arrogancy
>stops genuinely making counter-arguments and spams le Anglo vassal
>gives himself a medal after being called out for taking the piss

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Sometimes, when I get REALLY mad about things that are completely my fault, I like to come here to talk about The Coffin of Andy and Leyley. It's really the best place for it.

>>563235651
She will absolutely redeem herself, and /calg/ will have to admit to be wrong about renee all along.

>>563235940
>Lose every single argument and start crying instead of just kneeling
>Can't handle losing and start crying about 'y-y-you didn't meant it!'
That's just sad.

If Andrew got arrested he'd probably get super mad that somebody called the cops on him instead of himself for doing acts which are illegal.

>>563236073
Here's your pity (you) since you can't take a hint.
>>563236319
Nobody likes snitches, Andrew would be right.

>>563236590
>Do you want to give me a redo?
No. I'll just take my win and let you stew in defeat.

This shit would already be over if the reportfag hadn't made it worse and made other anons join in out of spite for their powertrip.

>>563236908
RIP, his laundry was whiter than white, all stains gone.

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>>563235429
To be fair this all could've been avoided if they moved out.

>>563237317
With what money?

>>563237317
>Could have survived the terrorist attack if you just went to the market yesterday.

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>>563237343

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>>563237317

>>563224101
Because God (Nemlei) loves me and hears my prayers.

>>563233993
What are the rules of hussyball?

>>563236703
Surrendering seems to be the only thing you Frenchmen are good for after all.

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>>563227989
>>563228219
>someone doing my ritualpost for me
I feel honoured but also violated at the same time.

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>>563228872
>...fuck with me dad..?

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>>563236526
Fuck she's amazing. I love Ashley so much and I keep constantly wondering what Ashley's hair, armpits, thighs, feet, cunt and asshole smell like

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>>563232226
I like this new artfag

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Ashley, what the fuck is this?

>>563238204
Dude why would you want to smell armpits and feet?

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Andrew Graves is a catholic in denial. The entire story of the Coffin of andy and leyley is an allegory of the rosicrucian guilt. Even the flower imagery checks out. He will become a priest in one of the epilogues.

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>>563238374
The better question is why wouldn't you?!?!?

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>>563238418
Scholar but no the Graves are either Lutheran like Grandpa or jews

>>563238580
They are not really the most sanitary or pleasant areas to smell even when groomed well. You know I would just rather breed.

>>563238374
He's a cumbrained fetishfag. Can't you tell with the unnecessary use of spoilers even though he posts the same thing every thread?

>>563238681
If anything they are Satanists, summoning the anti-Christ and what not.

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>>563238716
When you breed you get the sweaty stench too. Its not that different. Also I bet Ashley keeps them pleasantly clean for Andrew.
I wonder if she trims it too

>>563238872
Christ and the anti-christ are the same person

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>>563238681
>Renee is actually a jewess that has infiltrated a good huwite chrischan home and corrupted Grandpa's pure-hearted Lutheran son, as jews do
>that's why he doesn't like her

>>563239213
Renee is the anti christ.

>>563238961
>for Andrew
Holy self-insert. Who the fuck thinks "I need to keep my feet clean in case my lover wants to sniff it"

>>563239286
Ashley is the anti christ.

>>563239286
>>563239393
Julia is the anti christ

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>>563239393
>Ashley is the anti christ.
Physically its two people but same soul (Andy and Leyley blueprint). Thats why if there appears Christ (Andrew), there appears Antichrist (Ashley). Its a cyclic attempt of God to simulate conditions of First Sin and recycle karma attacked to it as that weighs on all humanity and prevents ultimate Salvation (also thats why Second Coming of Christ will be an omen for the Judgement day). In first cycle Adam's trust in God stood firm (Renee archronic influence over primordial first cause, Nina fall from grace), but Eve was seduced by Samael (Tar soul) or a Serpent in Christian Genesis (The original Coffin, kophinos, all meaning basket. The original coffin = the original sin). In second cycle, Christ stood firm on his faith, but Judah was seduced by Samael once again. Third cycle (decay) will fix this karma and allow physical world to shatter at last. I general, to understand full span of Christ and Antichrist problem you need to read canonical and non-canonical biblic texts plus torah (Dead ends, branches, and endings).

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>>563239286
>>563239393
>>563239430
Lord Unknown is obviously the Antichrist. He was born of Noelle and Yule as an abomination to destroy the world and he uses Andrew and Ashley to start doing it.

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>>563239707
Thank you Gnostic-kun

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I didn't know this artist have been drawing fanart of Coffin this often

>>563237810
>Winning and not letting me try again is surrendering
Cope

>>563240395
Repeating something doesn't will it into reality

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The only French I wanna here about around here is French kissing between siblings

>>563240658
Glad you could admit it.

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Tell me about "the coffin".

>>563240995
You are functionally admitting defeat by refusing to refute my points fyi

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>>563240862
>I wanna see here*
Pardon me it's 4 in the morning here and I just woke up for no reason and decided to post cute sibs on the sibgeneral. Now I will go back to sleep, good night.

>>563241102
Who

>>563241145
Sounds like cope.
>>563241102
/dbg/ is that way, Vegeta.

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>>563239351
A psycho like Ashley probably. Even then I'm sure her feet smell amazing

>>563241224
Good night, anon.

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I'm only happy when we're together, but I'm not always happy when we're together

>>563242087
real

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>>563241346
>>563241520
Andrew should kiss my wife. There, i said it.

>>563242261
We know, Vegeta.

>>563242261
>vegeta-gt-sin-bigote_uc9e.jpg
Vos si sos trolo vegeta.

Which call of duty was Ashley's favorite?

I'm the only one who think it's weird how inbred people are the ONLY kind of people that is acceptable to portray as subhumans and basically animals on movies, shows and video games?
Like I don't think it make any sense to treat someone as not a person just because their parents were related, even IF they're ugly and retarded. Ugly retards are people too, some downies are better people than anyone in this thread.

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>>563236073
>vodka
The Graves are slavs confirmed!

>>563242410
Ashley doesn't play that normie shit.

>>563242410
World at War purely for the edge.

Let say we create an utopia where from one day to the next, everyone have to mandatory fuck their sibling or cousin for reproduction purposes, and humanity collectively agree that breeding among peers (either within siblings or cousins) is the new normal, considering having sex with an "outsider" as abnormal and such. Years pass by, and people invent stories about how outbreeding is bad, create retard kids, create elaborate (fake) graphics and statistics, and outlaw or make a taboo out of outbreeding, then later on, people write stories about forbidden love with outsiders, and realize that there's nothing wrong with that and never has been in the first place. What happens next?

>>563242410
bops1

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>>563242483
Don't think too much on it

>>563242483
Like seriously, look at say Fallout. Even Super Mutant are more humanized than the swampfolk.
>>563242825
>What happens next?
We kill all those heretics and nail their corpses to crosses along highways.

>>563242410
Mobile, because women don't play videogames.

>>563242825
Outbreeding becomes the norm after a few gens because inbreeding can only work for so long until enough bad recessive genes are stacked up

>>563242825
>What's happens next?
The Coffin of Andy and Leyley (two strangers)

>>563242937
Mutants are an allegory for blacks, like orcs in fantasy settings. If niggers started to inbreed, it would be accepted because they are the new american gods.
>>563243047
But what if nothing happens and the entire genetic narrative was just a hoax?

>>563242483
>some downies are better people than anyone in this thread
Nothing against downies, but with all due respect they probably shouldn't reproduce.

>>563243120
This is very problematic.
>>563243174
This is also problematic.

>>563243120
>But what if nothing happens and the entire genetic narrative was just a hoax?
Then you're living in an alternate reality

>>563243174
>but with all due respect they probably shouldn't reproduce.
Neither should your entire family tree and yet here you are.

>>563243309
Yeah, that's the point of an hypothetical scenario. What if it's all a lie?

>>563243047
That's not how this works.

>>563243356
Wow, what a badass! Lookout, because captain anon 563243356 is out there to get our asses.

>>563243394
Well you'd expect some consensual incest relationships to at least be accepted or decriminalised no?

>>563243516
That was cringe.

>>563243642
Do you have any source to back up your claims? No? I thought so :)

>>563243356
Well I don't have down syndrome and I couldn't possibly imagine why...

>>563241102
It didn't stop until I took some robitussin

>>563243261
>This is also problematic.
Is it really?
>downies don't reproduce
>decreased chance of down syndrome
>suffering decreased long-term
If downies reproducing leads to the same outcome as normal people than I guess it'd be fine if they do reproduce.

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>>563232606
Metaphysical solipsism doesn't prevent the individual mind to make extrapolations that are fundamentally uncertain, based on its individual input, memory and interpretations over time, neither does it prevent the individual from acting/ interacting, the outcome of the acts is just inherently uncertain. What is does is just deconstruct the mind where the possible cognizance arises that only what has been formed in the individual mind, in the exact now is a certainty, everything else is fundamentally, from the perspective of the individual solipsistic mind uncertain, including the mental state of the monkey at t+1 from the perspective of t0; its the exact opposite of ego-death. And that's where the inoculation against 10,000, arguably 200,000 years of social control mechanisms sets in. For the majority of time in which humanity has been living in small groups, the primary social control mechanism has been smart monkey wanting to exploit stupid monkey, convincing stupid monkey to believe that smart monkey can reduce uncertainty about future IF stupid monkey follows smart monkey because stupid monkey is afraid of uncertainty; which of course is just a game theoretical strategy of exploiting a potential sucker (cooperator)

Thinking about Solipsism forces whatever monkey mind does it to confront the fundamental uncertainty of being. The inoculation doesn't work on every monkey, but in a lot of cases it seems to create enough doubt that the basic bitch social control mechanisms of "trust" and "fear" are the very least doubted, reducing the incentive of the monkey to cooperate. Together with NEH, an inoculation against artificial generated crisis propaganda weaponizing apathy, as Myatts pathei-mathos, amorality and "inside role" acting as de-identification and therefore inability of enemy categorization mechanism, a basic framework was created the current "power" arrangement has no counter for. Its game over if only 5ish% of the population get it.

>>563244071
Most downies aren't suffering and just lead normal lives while looking funny.
You could apply the exact same standard to autists and thus this entire thread.

>>563244303
I perceived this reply as too long, I thus did not read it nor perceive what it was saying and thus it said nothing.

>>563244330
I have no issue with them living their lives, exterminating them for no reason would just be unnecessarily cruel. I just think that they shouldn't reproduce if they don't have similar outcomes to people without extra chromosomes.

>>563244482
Again, the same argument could be used to not let YOU reproduce, anon.

>>563244552
Can you elaborate? I don't have anything like down syndrome so I'm pretty any reproductive outcomes I have would be within normal variation.

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>>563244303
Solipsism to me means a unified subjective point of view. So it's both unified, as in, non-dual, not excluding anything as "other" or "out there" and subjective, as in, personal, perspectival, something to which other alternatives do exist. So an experience is subjective if it's perspectival. All experiences are perspectival. And something is perspectival if other alternatives exist. So for example, if I think events happen in time, since I can imagine events not happening in time, at least the conventional variety of time is optional in my consideration. So time is perspectival and subjective.

So what solipsism does not mean is something like "Everything is only me." That would be nonsense. I can experience any sort of identity or body. Because nothing concrete (specific) in my experience of myself is non-optional, when I unify my point of view, I am not unifying it under my conventional identity. Insofar this identity appears to me, so do say that anon and that other anon, and so on, at least, in this specific configuration of experience I am in now. So my view is unified in myself, but I am not strictly speaking "my-self". I am experiencing my-self and to some extent you can say I am Me-ing, but that isn't accurate, because in addition to Me-ing I am also (You)-ing, street-ing, car-ing, cloud-ing, time-ing, space-ing, universe-ing, and so on. But it would be accurate to say that Me-ing right now is at the forefront of my awareness and it often blinds me to other activity I am performing right now.

>>563244686
Autism ranges from 'Basically a normal dude with a funny tic' to 'Basically a vegetable'. You're on 4chan, you have autism. Autistic people have higher rates of autistic children.
Down Syndrome ranges from 'Basically a normal dude with a funny face' to 'Basically a vegetable'. Down syndrome people have higher rates of down syndrom children.
(Yes, I'm talking about rates, both can still produce 'normal' children with no issues).
The argument for Down Syndrome to not reproduce apply thus to Autism.

>>563232606
Solipsism inevitably leads to non duality, which is the actual truth of the world.

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Ashley and Andrew will forgive her, why won't you accept her genuine apology /calg/?

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>>563244919
Hey I don't have autism? I got tested when I was a little runt and the doctor said I didn't have it so I'll take his word for it. Well this argument essentially boils down to where you draw the line in regards to whether people should or should not reproduce. I'm not really all that knowledgeable in regards to different reproductive/genetic outcomes so I don't really think I can make that strong of an argument, you win (for now).

>>563232606
Since you brought up the subject of solipsism, can anyone explain something to me that's been bothering me. Generally solipsism is regarded as incorrect or wrong, tho some may still wish argue this, and that's fine. But what is bothering me is why nobody has ever argued against dream solipsism. I mean, why is that?

Everyone will tell you your dreams are just dreams and they're not real, but what if dreams are real. What if every person you met in a dream was as real as the people you see in waking life? Why has nobody even mentioned this idea before? Perhaps some would be too ashamed of what they do in their dreams to contemplate the idea that other dream beings might be real, but what about everyone else? Is it me, or has nobody never once brought up or even contemplated the concept that dream solipsism might be incorrect?

>>563245254
Does an apology make up for a lifetime of neglect and selling out your kids lives for some money?

>>563244482
>exterminating them for no reason would just be unnecessarily cruel
Maybe after birth but abortions are totally just (or even necessary) in my book, countries like Denmark have a near 100% termination rate for Down syndrome.

>>563245578
No, but it's a start

>>563245568
I've read about the idea that dreams are just glimpses of your lives in other universes.

>>563245648
And Denmark is a shithole.

>>563244552
An autist can become the next Mozart while a downie is a weird looking orc that will live a short life without ever truly being human and is only alive because its parents like to keep them like you keep pets. It's sad really but it's nowhere near alike with autism nonetheless.

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>>563245568
Because this world is a dream as well. You are not really the person experiencing this moment, but God/Consciousness itself dreaming trough your current realized perspectival storyline. In that way, people are (You), they are an extensions of you, extensions of your consciousness, and every so far has been product of your held intentions and conclusions. In this way, we're not really the people we're experiencing to be, but the underlying being fragmented experiencing it's own creation, as there are no individuals, and we're all one.

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>>563245254
They won't forgive her, but they'll make their peace and move on. It's not quite the same thing.

>>563245254
Nemlei will NEVER even think about this because he doesn't want to feed certain kinds of "people" material.
>>563245804
Then it's the one good thing they do, it's just an example.

>>563245957
>every event so far*

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>>563244303
At least two must be true
> A) Free will doesn't exist
> B) Solipsism is true
> C) The universe isn't locally real

>>563245957
>we're not really the people we're experiencing to be, but the underlying being fragmented experiencing it's own creation
This is canonically literally what life and our current material existence is, and I won't elaborate.

>>563245862
That's not how downies are at all. Again you also have autists who are basically vegetables.
>>563246020
Sounds like a shithole practice from a shithole country.

>>563245957
>but God/Consciousness itself dreaming trough your current realized perspectival storyline.
That's just Lovecraft's Azatoth lore with a repackaged terminology, I can't believe that joke is still going around like that.

>>563245648
Abortion is just straight up murder though, you can easily make a secular argument for this as well.

>>563246503
>you can easily make a secular argument
Why? That's just obviously true.

>>563246640
Yeah but I'm used to arguing with stupid leftoids and redditors.

>>563246317
>>563245957
Supreme consciousnesses, alone and unlimited, desires to know and expand itself. It thus fragments itself and loses itself in its own creation, until one final day all divine sparks reunite into their original wholeness.
>>563246451
Wrong. It's called non duality. And it's not a joke, it's the truth of the situation. You can prove this to yourself by trying to observe the true underlying self of experience: One-Thing, or illustrate it via a thought experiment, to be done '1st person', as if you are having the experience:
>Sit comfortably. Now imagine turning off your senses one by one:
>Turn off vision. Are you still there?
>Turn off sound. Still there?
>Turn off bodily sensations, such as the feeling of the chair beneath you. Uh-huh?
>Turn off thoughts. Where/what are you now?
>Some people are left with a fuzzy sense of being "located". This is just a residual thought. Turn that off too.

You're still there, you realise; you are a wide-open "aware space" in which those other experiences appeared. That background, that awareness, is God. It's who you actually are, not abstractly, but really. You are this One-Thing that persist existing even when all experience fades. Having forgotten your primordial nature, you wander the world yourself create, until you are inspired to find yourself and return to God once again.

>>563246503
Murder would entail it can't be justified, I feel like aborting an unborn defection is just euthanasia, as in literally "good death"; mercy killing. It's bad but not as bad as aborting a perfectly fine person, there's no way to justify that other than irresponsibility with your own functions. The difference is that I don't consider the retard a "person". Of course what constitutes a "retard" is also debateable.

>>563246827
Euthanasia is also just murder.

>>563232117
German isn't the same as Germanic

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>>563246824
You are truly a wise Sufi, scholar.

>>563246827
From our perspective it is a mercy killing but if you left a retard live their life they'll probably enjoy it, as they literally know no better. I appreciate the nuance.

>>563246824
That doesn't work for me because I can't turn any of that shit off. I tried. I'm constantly aware of the feeling of my own skin so I can't even imagine turning it off.

>>563246451
Authors borrow metaphysical concepts from mythology all the time. Lovecraft probably read hindu religious texts and got that from the Vedas, like the authors of Lord of Light and Morrowind did.

>>563246827
>Of course what constitutes a "retard" is also debateable.
You forgot the ,. Face the wall now.

>>563247178
That would make sense too but my version is funnier.

>>563247085
>That doesn't work for me because I can't turn any of that shit off. I tried. I'm constantly aware of the feeling of my own skin so I can't even imagine turning it off.
Experience is not necessary, because the knowledge of it precedes all experience. Imagining it is more than enough because you can't image yourself being divided from your perspective. It's always contained in an undivided whole referencial field on which you experience your localized self. There's no world outside ourselves, we just imagine that there is; it only becomes a thing once we actually get there ourselves.

>>563246984
I specifically said "good death" to define euthanasia, not whatever official practice you may be thinking of. A killing that is done to avoid further unnecessary suffering and damage overall or waste of resources. A severely defective child (as in one who will never have a personality and will only have the most basic animal parts of a human being, thus not a person) will probably be much more costly and consuming to look after, not just in money terms but also like for example if the family has other perfectly fine children who actually do have a future, less attention and resources etc go to them because of the care of that non-person. I'm just saying I can see why a parent wouldn't want that and it's justified.

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>>563232606
The most useful definition of solipsism in philosophy is as a metaphysical stance relative to the question of other minds. A solipsist answers that question saying other minds definitely don't exist. I doubt many or any here would advocate such a strong position. It's certainly a possible perspective one could take objectively (although strangely), and it's also one a subjectivist could take within the context of it being illusory like all possible perspectives.

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>words words words
Imagine kissing Julia

>>563247503
>I'm just saying I can see why a parent wouldn't want that and it's justified.
It's not, should have kept your legs closed. You decided to play the game of reproduction knowing you could lose, it's not to the kid to get sacrificed so you can avoid the consequences you agreed to.

I didn't know there so many philsofags here, what do you guys recommend for reading if I want to acquire some of the knowledge you guys have?

The Coffin Of Andy and LeyLey?

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>>563247712
Read Universal Line by John Paolucci and go from there.
https://mega.nz/folder/Lx4iFL6I#BegNbkCyWo6vU48tHQdwXg

>>563247064
Yeah but that's the thing, I think a human being is supposed to have individuality and will beyond just a very basic form of existence. They can enjoy life all they want but do they deserve life? It may sound harsh but I think people keep that huge blob of an animalistic flesh like a child that never grows up or a pet. That feels more inhuman to me than killing them but idk I'm kind of a psychopath.

>>563247672
NTA but saying it's not isn't really a sound argument. His saying that really retarded people lack the qualities that make us Human.

>>563247747
Andrew is a lit major, philosophy is important for his character.
>>563247712
Read post on /x/ and /lit/, copy their phrasing, terms and format and pretend you know what you're talking about.

>>563247712
The Anabasis of Xenophon, Dakyns translation.

>>563247747
Andrew is a lit major, philosophy is important for his character.
>>563247712
Read post on /x/ and /lit/, copy their phrasing, terms and format and pretend you know what you're talking about.
>>563247873
>but idk I'm kind of a psychopath.
That make you more defective as a social animal and thus a human than the people you condemn.
>>563247890
>His saying that really retarded people lack the qualities that make us Human.
That's just outright nonsense then.

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>>563241774
>I'm sure her feet smell amazing
I wouldn't be so sure anon. The graves barely got Ashley the basics so she stayed alive but didn't care about her that much, so she probably had to grow into those boots she always wears and had to use them for years. Now IMAGINE the powerful stench of Ashley's pale feet trapped in those stuffy boots for YEARS

>>563247873
I can see where you're coming from but killing them just seems like an unnecessary expenditure of life. I think that if they're out of the womb at the very least that you may as well let them live. You don't kill other animals for lacking human qualities or being unaware of their existence (unless you're insane ig).

>>563247712
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.

>>563248036
>That's just outright nonsense then.
I wasn't commenting on the merit of his argument, just merely pointing out that you should attack the core of the argument/argument itself instead of a simple rejection.

>>563248114
>or being unaware of their existence
Downies are very aware of their own existence, where the fuck does that argument come from?
Fucking chimp are aware of their own existence, as are Gorillas.

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>>563248163
Melancholy? She looks perfectly fine to me.

>>563248293
Yeah but I mean aware in the same way that most other humans are.

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>>563247210
The fuck I never promised correct punctuation!! I want my lawyer!
>>563247672
>knowing you could lose
Yeah I just don't subscribe to that, it's not the same as some unchaste bitch aborting an unwanted child. Nobody signs up for sex with the idea that it may be severely defective and depressive and time/money/attention consuming (all for nothing btw) and acting as if you assumed that for people who just wanted an extension of themselves that would represent them after their passing is crueller than the abortion of that waste of carbon for me. I'm just empathizing with a family like that, I can't see myself ever truly considering such a child a worthy human being, let alone MY child.

>>563248295
English names are dumb, don't blame me.

>>563248403
>Nobody signs up for sex with the idea that it may be severely defective and depressive and time/money/attention consuming
It's their fault for being unaware and unthinking then.
>I want my lawyer!
Those are for people, not retards. Now face the wall.
>>563248381
That's not really how awareness works. If you're sapient, you're sapient. If you're not, you're not. It's a threshold type of deal, there's no level of awareness higher than sapience as far as we know.

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>>563248094
Are they really in their 20's? I think the story would have made more sense if they were in their teen years.

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>>563232606
>Wheeler Delayed Choice experiment: A pair of physicists recently performed an updated version of John Wheeler's famous Delayed Choice experiment, this time with a helium atom. To put it very simply, a particle (in this case an atom that has the physical properties of weight and mass) can behave either as a discrete particle or as a wave. We've known this particle/wave duality for some time. But this experiment proves that whether the atom behaved as either a particle or a wave can be decided after the fact. In this version of the test, physicists were able to add a second gate that would force the particle to behave as a wave, even after the particle had already passed through the detector. According to one of the physicists involved in the experiment, Associate Professor Andrew Truscott from the ANU Research School of Physics and Engineering, "At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it."
>What it really means is that, in effect, the atom didn't behave one way or the other at the time. However, the observations you make later decide if reality will behave "as if" it had.

Basically, reality is a self contained subjective phenomenon of each own. So if you interpretate reality to be Solipsistic, you will find later on reasoning and facts that will confirm whatever proves you that it's true, because reality throws back at you things according to the perspective you adopt. In this way, Solipsisim is like a mask to filter reality trought, and even make it behave as if, depending what that implies to you.

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>>563248036
>That's just outright nonsense then.
My definition of human may be somewhat outlandish and cruelle, but I'm just trying to think of the good of everybody!
>That make you more defective as a social animal and thus a human than the people you condemn
I don't "condemn" them (you may say I condemn them to death but I don't think they should be aborted no matter what, just that it's understandable), they're just undeserving of life.
Also nah, history is written by psychos and the like.

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>>563248636
>outright hostility
I won didn't I

>>563248798
>Also nah, history is written by psychos and the like.
Psychos as in psychotics, anon. Psychopath were generally rejected and hunted down in history due their lack of capacities for integration with others in society.
Meanwhile psychotics were generally thought to be conduits of the gods due to their social hyperactivity and impressive social displays.

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Solipsism is logistically and rationally invincible. The only thing for sure that is absolute is consciousness. You could be in a dream within a dream within a dream, inside of the matrix, inside another dream, inside a lab where your brain is in a vat, inside another dream, high on 10 psychedelics, DMT, shrooms, LSD combined...you could be being hypnotized, controlled by aliens, inside virtual reality...none of it matters in comparison to raw consciousness. Consciousness is the only persistent thing across all of these. It is the ultimate, irrefutable, invincible truth. Go and ask /sci/ or any philosopher and they can do absolutely NOTHING about it. Everything that exists is encapsulated within consciousness, which is equivalent to ones own existence.

There being an "internal" and "external" world are mental fabrications...they are a "thought" and "belief" in your mind. It is a belief that an external world and people exist and that they are separate from you and your internal world. Additionally nothing else exists without you being conscious to observe it. There is no (yo-)universe without you.

The only thing that holds a candle to solipsism is faith, and perhaps language...words themselves alter your very perception of reality...even listening to what I have typed has altered your perspective and how you see reality. Faith is a requirement to function in this world. Faith that something exists outside of ones own consciousness...faith that your memories are trustworthy, that history is trust worthy, that people are trust worthy, that your 5 senses are trustworthy. This is what scientists, philosophers and rationalists must submit too (which is hypocritical considering they deny God but demand proof). All scientists, mathematicians, linguists or philosophers build their arguments foundationally upon axioms or tautologies...which are based on assumptions that they're not dreaming, that their memories are trust worthy, etc

>>563248967
>He forgot the question mark AND the , again
Minor spelling mistake, I win.

>>563249002
Nta but it's the exact opposite, psychotics are the ones who don't survive in nature

>>563248745
Wait, but what if quantum mechanics proves subjective idealism true and not solipsism? Like, your mind is not the only one that exists, multiple minds to exist, but there is no objective reality, reality is the convergence of all these subjective realities.

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>>563249116
I-It's intenshunal chud!! It mayx it funnie..

>>563249172
Good thing we're talking about human society then.

>>563249338
Ashley, more like Dumbshley.

>>563249009
Solid post.

>>563249303
There's no fundamental difference between Solipsisim, Non duality and Subjective idealism AT ALL. They are just simply conceptual ways to convey and point at reality being subjective. For example, there are two sorts of illusion:

>Seeing something as it is but misunderstanding its nature (seeing objects in front of me but thinking there is a real solid secret underlying object beyond the visual image).
>Seeing something as it is not (seeing a "snake" only to later realise that it is a "rope", and then seeing it as a rope).

The first is easy to explain. The evidence is the same, the interpretation is different. We do not see the interpretation, we think it. In the second case, though, we see the interpretation. One solution would be to say that we always experience the interpretation, so there is really only one kind of illusion. We always see our conclusions, but assume those conclusions are the nature of the objects; we only notice this when the conclusion changes and experience 'snaps' from one form to the other. However, this gets us back to there being two levels again: what I experience, and what is "really there".

>>563248036
>Andrew is a lit major, philosophy is important for his character.
Interesting, a question: What's exactly Andrew's philosophy? Nihilism?

>>563249364
It makes even LESS sense then! Psychotic implies delusion or an inability to discern what is or isn't real in general. At least the psychopath is aware of what's real and distorts it to his own will by using others, and that is most of history because influence usually works in a similar way.

>>563249539
>We do not see the interpretation, we think it.
That's kind of a wordplay more than a real reasoning IMO.

>>563249009
Liquid post.

>>563249678
>Psychotic implies delusion or an inability to discern what is or isn't real in general.
Anon, who the fuck do you think were the dickheads who decided they were the sons of the sun and everyone should dance naked while high on shrooms every full moon?
>>563249656
He's a romantic so very much not nihilism.

>>563249687
It's literally the mechanic at play here.
> Conclusion -> Experience
We think objects in experience have some inherent meaning when it's actually something we just formulate to make sense of experience to date trough the current available information, but this process is retroactive as well (what i know NOW means that event BACK THEN...), so it's not constant. A subjective idealist for instance would affirm that "everything means what you decide it means" and that meaning is You (again, is really not different from Non duality, where you acknowledge the undivided nature of experience and sense it directly).

>>563249824
>dickheads who decided they were the sons of the sun and everyone should dance naked while high on shrooms every full moon?
What? That's just tradition that developped over eons by the people collectively that they also abide by because they're a product of their time, not like the actions of an individual that changes history according to his will. I mean, I guess you can say one person must've started one tradition at some point, but eventually it's all interconnected and are completely collective, in contrast to a conqueror or a warlord or an ideologue or a prophet or something.

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>>563249539
You can assume them to be the same, until contemplating the illusion thing, and realising there was still an implied split level (e.g The experience of looking at paintings and - snap - suddenly realise what they are depicting, etc). Does non-duality work around it by saying that "the stuff of the world" has both a physical and mental aspect? Or is it more akin to an 'extended idealism', where we are saying that all objects are made of 'mind' but they arise from a continuous background of 'mind', like a blanket folding in on itself to make shapes, or waves in water. In other words, idealism with self-awareness and no divisions. Which I guess is the same as materialism with self-awareness and no divisions.

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>>563249009
>There being an "internal" and "external" world are mental fabrication

Not only that, but these fabrications are first brought into your mentality by your physical senses. The senses cannot tell the difference between reality and a very convincing illusion. Senses are interpreted by the self and the self is the only thing that actually EXISTS. Or merely my self.

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>get home from work and skim the thread
Are you all having fun? I can't really tell if this is high level conversation or if you're all yelling at each other

>>563250328
If I came in Giantley's mouth would she be able to taste it?

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>deep, high IQ and well-read philosophical debates in slightly slow /calg/ on a Saturday morning
I am dead and this is heaven.

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>>563250539
>on a Saturday morning
It's Friday night

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>>563250467
The absolute fucking duality of man

Ngl I feel like historical shit getting reportfagged but this philsophshit not is a double standard.

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>>563246297
I would say that all three are true. But we could maybe make the following three statements:
>Experiencing is absolute.
>Content is relative.
>There is no "outside" to experiencing.
Everything beyond that is a discussion about content. There's really nothing beyond consciousness and intention that's not imagined/mental/simply relative content of experience.

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>>563250690
Nigga how? Where the hell are you?

>>563250709
That's the difference between a rational conversation between adults and two /pol/niggers trying to prove how white they are

>>563250709
The game is about psychology, not seething over Horatio Nelson.

>>563250709
It wasn't just /his/shit, that was also a hissy fit (heh) (see what I did there). These anons are perfectly civil.

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>>563250853
It is 11:26PM EST, /calg/'s time zone

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I said I was going to sleep hours ago but alas I have encountered a rare moment of actually enjoyable /calg/ that is not just "today my sister..." or posting fanart of siblings kissing. 'Tis what 'tis, I'm not sleepy anyway.

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>>563250837
Descriptions are only useful ways to conceptualize the truth and use it for one's end but its reach depends on the level of truth you're acting on. The most stripped-down, logically consistent version of the description always reduces itself to a basic paradox: that of something which is non-spatial and non-temporal, also being spatial and temporal - simultaneously, in parallel, but also out of time and without location. We're approaching to the nature of One-Thing here.

>There is the nature of experience and there is content of experience.
>The nature is always absolutely true and cannot be argued for or against, it is just 100% the case.
>The content is only relatively true and you can argue about that however you want.
>You can only know the 100% truth by directly realising it in experience, by adopting its shape.
>You cannot think of it, because to think at all is to shift yourself into the shape of the thought.
>However, you can infer it via thought, concluding logically from the shifting nature of content.

The truth is that which doesn't change, and the consciousness that you are never change, it will always persist, as the container of reality itself, and you never experience any other reality besides your own. The key here is shifting perspective to the reference field and acknowledging the relative for what it is: An extension of yourself, of your current mental state.

>>563247085
>That doesn't work for me because I can't turn any of that shit off. I tried. I'm constantly aware of the feeling of my own skin
When you feel like you're a limited being, a "regular human" in this case, you FEEL a certain way, your EXPECTATION mechanism is determined by this FEELING. You EXPECT that you can't get stuff because you're limited. At the same time, the FEELING is determined by your current understanding: "I know that I'm just a limited human".
So if you shift your understanding, you affect the entire chain:

>understanding >affects> feeling >affects> expectation >affects> manifest reality.

You change the beginning of the chain, you also change how you feel about reality, you also change the things you expect. The shift occurs only at the "noetic level", in your "understanding", and this shift transforms the way you interact with yourself, that is, with the "universe". If you understand/internalize that single fact, you don't need to know anything else.

If you change your understanding you affect the whole chain. But there's more.
>If you change your feeling (which is the path of pure faith) you will also change the whole chain.
>If you change your expectation (which is the path of the "mentalist") you will also change the whole chain.
>If you change your manifest reality by means of manifest means (which is the path of the average human) you will also change the whole chain.
Just think about that.