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>Latest patch:
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https://www.dlmovement.wiki/
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https://tracklock.gg/
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saar they will tell you each and everythings saar
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>enemy has silver
>goes 8 and 0 by like 15 minutes
>ends the game 8 kills 3 deaths 15 minutes later
>we won because silver is a worthless hero that does nothing
LMAO It's unironically easier to win with Silver on your team if she doesn't get any kills as that makes her easier to carry
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>>563494459
Dynamo. This reddit nigger has nukes on his 1, invincible on his 2, movement and heal on his 3 so good luck catching him, and an instawin button. He doesn't even have to hit a 6 man ult to win, just pick off 2 and the rest can't do shit. The most retardproof hero in this game.
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She's in.
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deadlock heroes rated
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End of service soon
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Still playing Rem in (You)r games
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hello fellas, I'm looking for an image of billy where he's drawn like that meme where it's a dude all scrunched up holding his boxers up with one hand and holding a silenced uzi (or a similar submachinegun, I don't remember very well) in the other
if you guys could help me find that image I'd be very thankful
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>>563495267
>Silver
Because I love her and want to say nice things about her.
>Graves
Because it's funny.
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Who are some heroes that get a pass because their winrate is dragged down by garbage builds? For me biggest offender is Geist, her gun build has been obnoxiously strong but shitters love building for bomb or some meme shit
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>https://tracklock.gg/players/769825739
Just beat this faggot smurf kek, he was mad as shit.
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Shiv for sure, he's really good right now but 45%ish winrate because he is hard to play + needs a good build and commonly L->R does not work.
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>>563495401
Meh but I kinda want his Drifter mod.
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I have come to the realization that I'm the EOMM agent
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>solo run their comeback urn
>entire team is waiting for me at the drop point
>swooce right in, deposit it and fucking die immediately
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>>563498253
>other than Lifestrike
Melee items are trash on Drifter, you shouldn't be buying them in the first place. Get spirit if you want your rend to do something, there are a couple of spirit items that synergizes with gun builds.
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Man, I don't think I can justify getting Silence Wave on Silver any more. Not as mid-game L-R at least. As funny as it is to have people be sitting ducks it just doesn't do enough now to buy on a non-support. Maybe if I'm trying to bully Geist or Yamato, but at this point it sounds better to get other items earlier and maybe a Hex for any annoying get-out-of-jail niggers than bother with a wet noodle 3 second silence for 3.2k.
>cooldown is an obnoxious 42 seconds and actually longer than the wolf, up 40% from the previous 30
>total damage at the point I get it is down by 42 per person hit, about 30%, which is a solid nerf to burst ult charge and the difference only grows larger as the game goes on
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>>563499667
Only difficulty in Shiv is managing rage and landing knives (they only do a fuckton of damage when stacked) you can also cheese rage with decay which honestly isn't a bad item and forces people to buy dispel or just insta die to you
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Livestock farm animal 0 IQ nigger retards
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Silence wave needed the nerf it's a fuckhuge AoE that could also proc items like tankbuster or spirit burn, ironically an item meant to counter spirit heroes became god tier poke + more free damage it's in a good spot now and has more of a use case for its intended purpose
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Anyone else miss Lash being a badass punk instead of some gay Popeyes sailor?
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>>563500929
me rn
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>>563500548
We need a Mahjong hero.
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This thread belongs to the ShivGAWDS
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But why? I thought he was harmelss
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>favorite
Toss up between Silver and Ivy, both all around exceptional designs.
There's some stiff competition in a bunch of other characters too though, like Vyper (carried HARD by her voice and writing), Lash (cool heel), Seven (edgelord with cool lines) and a bunch of others, but I think Silver and Ivy are best
>least favorite
Calico, not even close
The only good lines she has are when she clashes with Vyper, and her design is ugly. Even her skill effects are just forgettable, and they don't make sense
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>>563494459
Holliday and P*r*dox if they get on my team because it's a free loss
Bebop and Shiv if they're on the enemy team because my retarded teammates are going to feed them in the laning phase
Celeste, GT, and especially Doorman are annoying by design
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>>563501010
And then this is his build...
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About a month ago I had a guy who was seething mad at me in Emissary who whined 'HOW AM I PLAYING WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN THIS RANK', stuff like that. Anyways I'm Asc 1 now and made an alt to play with a friend, got an Emissary match and he was still slumming around in there. It made me wonder: how many of you fags cry about being stuck and blame it on everyone else? I utterly raped that Emissary game, and all games I play with my friend. I'm climbing too fast even.
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That's just really lame is all
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>>563502641
No, her name is Miku Guinness
Yamato (her massive forehead is a reference to the boat) addresses her correctly
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>>563502409
its not lame, its campkino
aka campy cinema, aka the campiness improves it and gives it so called "soul" aka giving the impression that its put there by someone with the love of the craft rather than purely for profit insentives
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>>563502832
The doorman is actually a reference towards him opening his backdoor for other men.
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I swear every positive KDA Celeste is running some offmeta build. Are the trending builds just haphazardly updated to the new patch and not tested at all?
>>563495438
I mean, you're going to have bad matches, but it's not like I could do anything at that point. T2 Patron under siege and my teammates are on the other side of the map while I'm playing a support. "oh just outplay them bruh"
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>>563503158
>god
>can't suck your life out
>can't curse you
>can't curse your land
>can't steal your health
>can open doors
What a faggot
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>>563503314
Graves
If you're (or they them)
Shit at movement
Shooting
Aiming
Macro
Positioning
Laning
Team fights
Find micro like blinking and breathing intensive
Graves, just smash your thick skull against the keyboard and all your abilities will play the game for you.
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>>563503231
the build system is lacking in information for players to actually make a good decision about which to use
i find myself always having to use other sources to find good builds. usually i'm cross-referencing the builds with statlocker hero leaderbuilds, their builds page, and item WPA (which their implementation of feels a little fucky but better than nothing)
and if that fails, going in the d*scord and searching "build in:heroname" and then seeing what people recommend
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>>563503464
obviously I mean like lorewise, not literally what his kit does. Doorman in the lore would be like, a monolithic superhuman god and meanwhile shiv is running around trying to stick people with some steak knives from his kitchen.
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>>563503314
mokrill because burrow minimizes schmovement needs
kelvin because ice path minimizes schmovement needs
calico because ava and leaping slash minimize schmovement needs
haze because smoke bomb sprint minimizes schmovement needs
wraith because sprint and teleport minimize schmovement needs
vindicta because flight minimizes schmovement needs
infernus because flame dash minimizes schmovement needs
apollo because his entire kit doubles down as escape options, minimizing schmovement needs
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Don't forget Talon, who is like Vindicta except he has 4 stamina not 2 and can dash while flying
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Do you think they’ll beautify Calico? Or will they change her entirely?
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>>563503782
Guess I'll give Kelvin a try.
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>>563503859
GT heavily utilizes stam and even is on the fast dash pool on top of having 4 stam, and you can spam stam while flying too
he is a schomevent hero for sure and you'll feed out the ass if you aren't smooth with it because he doesn't has stake
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>>563504045
Can confirm. My shithouse friend I play with constantly gets people sucking his dick in chat for entangle saves and 2 man blackholes when hes dynamo.
This is the same guy who refuses to slide for any reason and constantly gets lost on the map
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spoiled but not rotten
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Despite all the nerfs, my friend still manages to completely lose his shit if a Doorman carts or ults him
>I CANT DO SHIT
>THIS IS BULLSHIT
>I DONT HAVE ANY MONEY TO COUNTER HIM
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>All the baxter society heroes have a prosthetic right arm
>All of their models are unfinished as shit work in progress placeholders
>None of the other heroes mention anything about the arms
So is this just a coincidence or a canon thing?
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>>563505023
She needs anger management courses...
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Have /we/ finally stopped coping and admitted that Rem and his little chuddies were the most soulful addition of this batch?
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>>563493797
>One Guy gets tilted during lane
>instead of ignoring him my team just decides to throw the mach to teach him a lesson or some reddit shit
I wish this wasn't so common in EU.
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doesn't help every single one of them just wants to throw you under your walker
yeah you can totally counter it
now if you only you weren't stunned before his ult and you'll have 0,2 seconds to dispel after he leaves
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Couldn't push at all, lane was gigahard because infernus was another lobotomite that kept dashing in and killing himself. Still couldn't do shit because infernus was useless the whole game and then there's billy. Is there anyone at all that denies the forced 50?
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How do I git gud at Silver's gun?
The tempo just feels... off...
Is the trick to Semi-auto it?
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Also, this looks perfectly fine...
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>>563504045
even good dynamos can fuck you with that teleport though
had one pull me out of a kinda close but very much winning 1v1 in the subway by teleporting from the hallway above it
cool, and can't fault the guy, but damn.
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Wrong fucking image, my bad will put the correct one.
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>>563505998
almost all my losses are caused by people that clearly don't know their hero, I was laning with an Ivy yesterday constantly using her stun behind tower for absolutely no reason, just wasting cooldown, she got ult and we went to fight and I was wondering where it was since we were just sitting under tower and of course it was already on cooldown
that and people that are at 100 health lv1 and don't think of buying extra regen
shame I can't see their played characters and confirm what I already know
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>>563504045
>get into a sticky situation
>hit an air slide and go to schmoove my way out down the stairs
>the frickin Dynachud entangles us, kills my momentum, and jaunts us like 5 meters away from the enemy
>in the opposite direction of my escape route
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>>563506373
>playing random heroes
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I buy the Egg, Extra Regen, and Monster Rounds on Seven every single time.
Fite me.
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>>563506361
>shame I can't see their played characters and confirm what I already know
For some reason I can't even see the match history of people I've played with anymore, I can see it for Steam friends and only Steam friends now
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>>563506758
>silver if valve wasn't full of hacks
I'm usually a fluffy woman enthusiast, but I actually like her how she is
There's so few werewolves in media that actually show it as a person living with a curse, for once I'm actually very happy to see a shapeshifter with a human form
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Easily the most overtuned character in the game
>Spammable stomp that do hundreds of damage
>The best escape tool in the game, a teamwide teleport that also cleanses
>Good healing ability
>Very tanky and has 3 base stamina
>One of the best ults in the game
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>>563500909
he never looked like that
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>>563504019
Welp ice path really is quite helpful. Might stick with him since freezing fucks who think they can 1v6 is pretty funny. Though I'm not really sure when I should use the ice dome to not grief my team by blocking their shots/movement.
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>>563507164
>open /dlg/
>ctrl+f "silver"
>anywhere from 50 - 100 results
It's OK. We more than make up for it here.
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Sex with Dynamo after he saved me with a teleport and then healed me on the way back to base, I have to pay him back somehow...
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have to fight for my life cause I'm the only person with knockdown
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>>563507853
What the fuck do you THINK they meant by this, faggot?
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>>563507589
Paige you owe me sex, let's go to this dark alleyway real quick. I know you're not wearing panties under that skirt, you don't want me to tell the rest of the team that do you?
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I demand more ladies in fancy outfit mods
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I wish I didn't lose every single match when playing Silver...
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>>563508672
It's a cheap nigger item that works once then gives me free kills as every rebuttal buyer is a retard that will spam parry off cd so all I have to do is only use one heavy after the parry whiff instead of one also FUCK REBUTTAL 800 gold for the strongest counter item in the game sure is fucking fair btw if you press parry you're a fucking subhuman.
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How do I Celeste?
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they should seperate the effects into two items
rebuttal with the parry cooldown reduction + damage buff and then a 3200 / 4800 one with reflect and healing
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>>563509305
More like metal skin or counterspell being 800 while also having a 4 second cooldown and disarming/silencing the enemy and also reflecting the damage and increasing your damage by 30%.
It's actually fucking insane how much rebuttal does.
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>>563508825
whenever i play silver i go like 25/3 but still lose because my team is retarded and doesn’t know how to kill objectives and i can’t kill them as fast as i would on seven so the enemy team has enough time to come over
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I want to talk about the egg
If you pop and egg at 30 minutes you should get something more or less like:-
Fire Rate: +12.5%
Max Ammo: +35%
Cooldown Reduction: +5%
Weapon Damage: +30%
Max Health: +175
Spirit Power: +20
With the maximum value of each stat if all 30 buffs landed on it at minute 30 being:-
Fire Rate: +75%
Max Ammo: +210%
Cooldown Reduction: +30%
Weapon Damage: +180%
Max Health: +1050
Spirit Power: +120
Now getting something like 210% ammo is not that powerful since it's basically two titanic magazines(1600 souls item) which means the total value is 3200 souls, on the other hand getting something like 180% Weapon Damage is slightly more weapon damage then 2 galsses cannons(6400 souls item) without the health penalty. My point is that the rewards are not at all equal not to mention that some characters don't benfit from some buffs, fire rate is amazing for someone like silver or paige but mostly irrelevant to kelvin or graves. Generally speaking I'd rank them like this
weapon damage=spirit>>CD>>>>fire rate>=max ammo>>>>>health
>conclusion?
If you get weapon damage or spirit from golden status then you should basedface, the egg's most likely output of stats is a bit of a meme, so in most cases it's not worth min-maxxing for 30 minutes to get the most out of it, especially since it will most likely not give you enough spirit or gun which are what you will most likely value ln whichever hero you're playing. Also, the most ideal targets for the egg from a min-maxxing perspective are hybrid characters like graves/abrams/silver since they mostly benfit from all stats, mostly.
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>>563509629
>Haze
>Dead
Uhh...
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>win 1 match in archon 5
>rank up to oracle 1 instantly
wtf. I'm getting too high, I don't wanna play with the super intense nerds but my alt in Alchemist has too many retards. Trying to find the happy medium...I really liked Archon.
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>>563508830
Any support backliner with rescue beam, tho i have a special spot for viscous CHADS who cube you and then punch the cube 20 meters back to behind your team, idk how many hours it took to get the tech down but i always appreciate the insane saves
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>>563509629
Retard
>>563509858
They buffed her fixation early
>>563510018
Gameplay shiv, lore I'd like to say shiv but they're about equal
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>>563510378
He monkey, he king of monkeys in fact, and he on a journey to the west to receive a blessing from the Budd- I mean the Patron
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>>563510378
shiv was a criminal before GT took him and made him a member of the baxter society, although we don't know the extent of his crimes everyone treats him with no mercy or empathy implying he did alot of fucked up shit, also he was friends with drifter, THE dictated murderhobo torturer of the game.
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I really want to know if the monke stuff is intended... I blame his wooden arm personally, makes him look like a Orangutan with their elongated forearm.
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the game needs an arms race type of mode
you start as a hero, when you get kills you level up getting new items and instantly swaping to another hero, the last level is you playing as slork and if you get a kill you win
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>>563510775
Shiv is a funny character, because in Neon Prime he had a cybernetic metal arm and a werewolf(?) transformation, there's also a cut line about stopping him from collecting trophies
>Trophies went to Drifter, who Shiv canonically was friends with
>Werewolf ult went to Silver
>Cybernetic arm became a wooden arm
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Cool Sheev facts:
-He's stickin' 'em
-He gave the Baxtuh Society your number
-He tried to be nice
-It's over
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>>563510037
ah yes the high level strategy of constantly wasting your 40 second cooldown on less heal than a healer minion against a calico overextending
if you don't have anything to say you stay silent you faggot, now go and try to find an angle to come off as right even if your original argument was retarded enough
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Shiv cultivation mechanic when? We need to appeal to the Chinese gamers after all
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>>563510378
He was a monkey who thought he was a dragon until THE PATRIARCH OF THE BAXTER SOCIETY found him and set him straight
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>>563504676
From what I've observes it's because spirit doesn't scale as well as gun so they are doing this hybrid nonsense
However idk if it's just me but victor's gun feels rather shitty to use, if I wanted to do hybrid/m1gger I'd play a character whose abilities make sense for it.
Heresy build is working for me and I'm top dmg/kills consistently, idk why people are pushing this retarded gun shit
Zzerial posted a video using gun items and he did nothing the whole game
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there's times where it makes sense, usually you'd prefer to stone form on minions to clear wave faster if you're behind in health but facetanking creep attacks and possibly enemy attacks as soon as stone form ends (it's very easy to hit you with say, gloom bombs, as soon as stone form ends because you basically stay still for a moment) is not realistic often
if he had 2 up he was probably trying to heal you as well
it's effective to spam stone form on CD specially if you rush second upgrade and specially if you are buying green items, the knowledge check here would be knowing that as ivy you can force tie/stall almost amy lane matchup by just buying extra health, healing booster and nova
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>>563511485
>Cultivation is all about becoming mystical arts to become powerful
>Seven farms half the map to become powerful
>The farms in question are demons/aliens inside of pentagrams that you have to kill
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>>563511950
We just need a obligatory chinaman cultivator hero who is speechless that this random western dude figured out cultivation on his own.
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>>563510748
She already fires like 9~10 bullets a second so fire rate doesn't do much, it's a nice bonus but spirit power and gun damage would be better imo, unlike on Silver where you NEED fire rate because her gun just doesn't operate without it
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I think I'll just permanently bench paradox for the foreseeable future, it's just an exercise in frustration to play this gimped slut against the meta slave's choice.
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>>563509831
You're not accounting for the damage penalty the egg gave you during those whole 30 minutes
For ease of calculations let's say you do 2000 DPM (damage per minute) with your weapon: 10% of 2000 is 200, that's 200 damage every minute you are not doing because you're holding onto the egg (you're doing only 0.9 * 2000 DPM), times 30 minutes that's 6000 damage you missed out on by mere virtue of holding onto the egg
Let's say that once you pop the egg you get an average roll of 30% weapon damage, your DPM is now 2600 (1.3 * 2000 DPM) with 600 of that DPM being the buff you got from the egg. In order to make up for the damage you missed out on by holding onto the egg the match has to go on for AT LEAST 10 more minutes. So, at the 40 minute mark is when the egg FINALLY breaks even
Granted, this scenario makes some bold assumptions (your DPM stays the same all game, we ignore all the other buffs given by the egg), it puts into perspective how costly the egg actually is and how long it takes to just break even
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I think the best time to buy egg is not in lane but at 10 minutes, holding it for about 10 minutes (1400/1500 souls) and then cracking it for a lategame shove. This works best if you're just on lane janny duty since the 10% damage penatly won't really amount to much if all you're doing is shooting troopers.
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>>563513125
Fair but damage early on isn't as valuable since even if you get kills they'll respawn immediately, but that's neither here nor there since to begin with i only wanted to see how much value you'd get
>>563513272
Popping egg before 10 minutes gives you less rewards, after 10 minutes the reward increase, and they increase again after 30 minutes. the rewards are 15~25~35 for each point in the game(pre10min-post10min-post30min respectively) same with spirit ammo and the other rewards, personality if I'm not buying egg as first item i don't bother with it
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Not sure if I like my phantom account or my alchemist account better. In phantom, matches seem more even but its a matter of who gets the better heroes with utility ults like mo and seven. In alchemist I can play any hero and own half the games but then the other half the games my own team feeds.
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heh, you better play your best kid... or I'm posting your freaking steam to the deadlock thread... nothin personal kid... heh heh
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>>563514120
>Having a alt
GAY
As a phantom nigger I agree though. Most games tend to be decided by who has the most OP heroes since everyone is a bad tryharding meta slave over here.
If the enemy has some combination of Kelvin/Dynamo/Mirage its usually always GG from minute one.
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>>563514218
Ivy is so fucking cool
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>>563503314
Old man with carpal tunnel here, I play Bebop, Mokrill, Graves, and ultbot Seven all with a bunch of +mspd to compensate for my lack of movement tech. That being said, there's a bunch of really easy stuff you can learn like superglides and how to wallbounce properly that will help you immensely even if you don't sit in the map all day and practice movement routes off of vents.
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>>563514371
ivy is the coolest and bestest at everything!
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Don't worry, I asked :)
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>>563515324
Ivy is a rock
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>>563515860
yeah boundless+surge is great for anything with high spirit scaling, or even stuff like wraith's 3, surge gives bigger damage per bullet boost on it than glass cannon for your gun. ee is better for any dot that procs it but surge still good
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>>563500909
>badass punk instead of some gay Popeyes sailor
"badass punk" is literally the iteration with a tranny ex in the backstory, while pooftalock stevedore is so straight he even stopped wearing the ascot
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Regardless of the current reality in game, according to dev intention, is Haze SUPPOSED to be able to sneak up on an enemy and sleep>ult them down from full health? Or am I wasting my ult by trying to make this happen? I used to be able to do this somewhat reliably before they turned her back into an ultbot a month ago, now I can't really pull it off. Everyone just steps out of my cone at more than 50%hp and walks away, even with slowing hex/fury trance
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>>563517435
cute. don't beat yourself up bro, like what you like
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>>563503314
>I think Warden might be the best fit, but I'm not quite sure
I suck at movement too as a Warden main but you should at least know the barebone basics of maintaining a slide (Move Speed + Fleetfoot + his 2) and optionally Kinetic Dash.
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>>563516714
Let him have fun, i build gun paige & gun rem occasionally, it's fun
>>563517887
Yeah but only by 50%, and that's with parrying being a thing on everyone that stuns for 3 seconds and puts a huge 20% increased damage taken debuff on you
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>>563503314
>Best character for a nigga who sucks at all that fancy movement?
Paige, you just walk 2 steps behind your husband and throw stuff from the backline to help the team
>>563503536
Literally the only character in the game where you need to not fuck up your movment retard, if they get out of your gun range you're fucking dead, even shiv gets 2 movement skills to get away if things get fucked
>>563506585
It's 1(uno) schizo
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>>563520131
>parrying is already more punishing than any anti m1, anti spell, or anti tank item in the game
>for free innately on every hero
>with an 800 cost item that upgrades it more than any 6400 item upgrades the other anti items
Genuinely baffling "balance"
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>>563519921
Paige doesn't need to frontline and can get out of the way before the come since she's backlining, she also has an easy to land root and her ult stuns, graves on the otherhand needs to frontline which is the main point, and her root is more of a trap *they* have to walk into unlike paige's root where *you* have to land it
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I think they need to add a tier 4 melee item that has a passive effect of halfing the stun duration of the next parry stun every x amount of seconds so that the penalty of getting parried isnt instant death (something like 10-15 seconds so it's not too obnoxious)
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Why is the matchmaking so fucking terrible lately
doesn't matter if I play during primetime
doesn't matter if I play in the middle of the night
doesn't matter if I play with teammates or solo
I am just getting flat out unwinnable games, where the enemy team just has an immortal 15-1 (or 0) guy who the entire team treats like a VIP
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>>563516737
after it was nerfed to not do shit when lmeeleing, spirit snatch became an ite, for bootleg melee builds that are mostly purple focus but can get a free hmelee from kit anyways like spirit ivy, purple abrams and spirit billy
i actually have no idea what other hero would even want snatch nowadays, maybe splattermax visc?
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>>563522093
NIGGER THIS IS TEN TIMES WORSE THAN DOTA, AT LEAST IN DOTA I CAN GO SNIPER OR URSA AND CARRY MY TEAM OF RETARDS
everyone buys actives in deadlock unlike dota so I can't fucking play hero here on permanent lockdown
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>emissary 3
>past 3 lobbies have been archon 1-2
>won all 3 games and did pretty well
>rank didn't change at all
I know match making is fucked but how am I winning matches an entire division above me and still not moving at all?
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>>563494649
You build inhibitor and both resilience. Buy cc actives and duration extender. You pick people off with your bola and spam disarms in wolf mode while eating a ton of damage. Ive tried to do damage with Silver ult but it doesn't work. Try to be disruptive and hard to kill instead.
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>>563522842
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>>563498310
Lifestrike got nerfed so hard. I don't understand why they keep nerfing melee items while buffing giga cancer heroes like Celeste and making movement even more obnoxious.
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>>563500091
Shiv is extremely easy to play since you just have to land 2 knives and use decay and that basically kills anyone.
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>>563523250
The way i play any hero is that i immediately take our sinners if no one else is getting them.
The way i play rem is i steal their sinners and come back, if ours sinners are still up then you fags don't deserve them, they shouldn't still be up by minute 11
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>Buffing parry before dealing with the rampant parry scripters
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>Rem farms enemy sinners and jungle with gun build next to winning lane
>Cries that no one helped him when they curb stomp him
>Continues to try and 1v6 in the enemy jungle all game while padding his stats and feeding the enemy huge bags
>Has the gall to say team diff at the end
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>>563501624
Favorite designs:
Seven, Venator, Dynamo
Favorite personality/character:
Seven and Venator again, Sinclair (I hate my wife never stops being funny)
Least favorite: all the niggers except Infernus because he's not even actually a nigger
Celeste and Graves are pretty lame in terms of personality and absolute aids to play against.
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>>563508830
Vindicta but only if you have a rescue beam and hit a fat snipe after a clutch save.
99% of Vindictas build gun carry and Vindicta is dogshit, no one expects anything helpful from one.so they'll notice your efforts.
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>>563523896
stay mad bitch
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>>563499667
>Is shiv fun to play?
Yes
>He seems difficult to learn
Low floor high ceiling, anyone can play him and i do play him especially in brool and i have fun, but clearly he has some tech and in real games you're a bit limited. Be sure to build some resist items on him
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Parrying will only be remotely balanced when you only get stunned for a half second if your light melee gets parried. Heavy melees getting a big stun is fine if it gets parried.
Also fix the fucking animation, it's obnoxious that you can get parried when they don't have the shield up from parrying.
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>>563501624
>fav personality/character
ivy, doorman, lash
>fav design
ivy, seven, rem
>least fav personality/character
paige, calico, mcginnis
>least fav design
calico, kelvin, sinclair (last 2 mostly because of how unfinished they are i only genuinely dislike calico)
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>>563499667
He's extremely easy to play since they put a shitload of power into his knives for no reason, and they are spammable, extremely fast, and recharge fast. All you have to do is land 2-3 knives and use decay on someone and you win every fight. The only remotely hard part of him is the shotgun movement and that's mostly because of source jank.
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>>563522684
As someone that has been juggling between Emi6-Archon3 for who knows how long, Its all the same shit
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>>563524979
get duration extender on beam, rush beam upgrades, once you upgrade the scaling get surge of power, then get spirit lifesteal into infuser, boundless and ee. now you can 1v1 every character in the game
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>>563525028
The matchmaking is so fucked lmao
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>>563524823
Celeste's nerfs were massive lol.
She has no early game in exchange for a slightly better late game that she'll never get. She's one of the lowest win rate characters and has BY FAR the lowest win rate in Eternus.
skill issue
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>>563524934
>Muh vibe balance
Maybe you niggers should find another game to ruin?
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>>563525190
She's broken as fuck and will always be broken in the hands of a decent player, much like TF2 Scout.
>>563525259
Website's meme MMR but with how people play it is pretty accurate, I find.
>>563525292
>Muh braindead support that can heal 3x as much as people can damage
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>the year is 2026
>i load up my auto parry chea- *ahem* ...'mods'
>enter lane
>enemy Haze fires a single boolet at me
>"heh, amateur..."
>my auto parry kicks in and deflects her bullet with frame perfect accuracy
>she's stunned for 15 seconds
>run over and start doing the Fortnite dance on her (i won it during the crossover event after 800 gacha pulls)
>finish the dance with plenty of time to spare
>unload a full magazine from my Chromatic Fade (Perfect) assault rifle
>Haze calls me racial slurs and abandons the match
>i report her and get her banned
another day, another W
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i haven't tried it but it makes sense if you go for in-your-face tank playstyle with him which fits him pretty well too.
i saw a build yesterday here that had torment pulse along with mystic expansion which doesn't make sense since then your beam goes well past the tp range, so what do you even gain from it at that point. but tp itself can work on kelvin, just needs a specific build for it
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you have ice path for that, the guy also had enduring speed in his build so that would help too. i've never had trouble with the beam range when playing beam build, and the only +range i sometimes get is knockdown
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>>563526305
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>>563526039
build something like that as a "core", never made a build myself so I dunno how is it
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>>563524534
>who
A serial killer who tortures and kills people in gruesome ways, I'm talking people hanged by their innards and art pieces made out of someone's ripcage. He pretends to be a trailing musician while he does his crimes
>what did he do
He killed holliday's sister in a way so gruesome that she still has nightmares about it and is genuinely traumatised by the whole thing
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>>563527079
>anon has PTSD
is your name Cawthorne by any chance p-p be honest anon i just want to talk, come outside we won't hurt you
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>Pocket is a tranny
>Pocket is a they/them
Why do the ESLs out themselves so easily? Are they even trying anymore?
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now this, but I feel like I put too much shit, also unsure what would be the preferred order
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How's my Yamato build looking bros?
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>>563527715
Sure, sure, Eternus 6 just can't figure out how to make it click but it's totally she's secretly broken.
I like how you're vague posting but can't argue why she's broken compared to the on meta favorites.
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If shiv is bad then how do you explain that he sometimes wins matches? You can't.
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>How is she broken
>She just is and you have to ignore all data otherwise
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and people say paradox is bad (she is but i love her anyways)
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>>563528520
Stop liking trashy women.
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Old Version was actually better aside from the head model
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>t.drifter
Go take a shower, wash your pants and shit in the bathroom you disgusting hobo
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I fucking hope this game flops as an esport. Undeserving of a success on that front
Also how long till we get proper placement matches? I'm sick of 60% of my games being a total coin flip because system decided that putting multiple noobs in one team is a good idea
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>>563528262
Yes. He's good in pro play, same with silver who is good in pro play, both of these characters are trash in random matches because the average player can only bring out like 50% of their true power. Inversely, seven is the highest WR character forever yet he's never in seen in pro play, why? Because he's retard proof for everyone involved so it's easy to get 100% out of him and it's hard for your opponent to counter him
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>>563493797
Finally made it to I5
How dafuq do you counter when one person on the enemy team is well fed? I played a game where the mcginnis was just 20k souls above everyone in the lobby and that was fun. Do you just need to see it before it gets that bad?
Also, how do I know when I should be pushing a lane or walker, or when I should be fighting, or when I should be farming? And if someone contests walker, should I hard commit or just fuck off?
Also any other holliday tips for a newfag would be appreciated, though I think I'm decent at her mechanically. Lassoing them into my walker has got me so many free kills
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theres "people" that play stomp Dynamo and spirit Geist in eternus, the kinds of boosted animals that exist purely to continue the state mandated losses at all levels of the game. Anyways, since the other anon isnt giving any reasons, ill give one. The main issue with Celeste is the movement, in the hands of someone that can actually abuse the engines bullshit (which most eternus players cant as it stands, and probably wont until the game officially releases and the no lifes rush in and clock thoudands of hours in whataver bhop or surf equivalent this game will get) she becomes uncatchable and unkillable, which is why the nerf lowered her health, shield and damage, they decided that the mobility was too strong on its own for her to also have those. Now she scales back into the damage but by a point were spirit damage anyways falls off, so her previous ability to melt people early game is gone and will instead be forced to play as a disruptor from the start of the game. Effectively, they've given her the Holliday treatment in that only people that can abuse the movement can actually contribute with her and everyon else will qualify as an MMR terrorist, but her kit is still just superior to Hollidays, and shes also easier since she doesnt need aim for her M1s or ult and has the mobility innate instead of relying on jump pads and edge boost bullshit. So is she really busted now? Not in my opinion, but if you get a movement fag playing her then he'll just be able to be everywhere all at once and need multiple CC to actually shut her down
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>Do you just need to see it before it gets that bad?
That helps a little
>Also, how do I know when I should be pushing a lane or walker
If you can see all 6 enemies on the map and they're all fighting at blue then push green if you're nearby, if 5 enemies are missing then don't because they're all probably near it. Only push against enemies if most of your team is there
>And if someone contests walker, should I hard commit or just fuck off?
In most cases you should run, they have the home field advantage and their team is most likely en route
>Also any other holliday tips for a newfag would be appreciated, though I think I'm decent at her mechanically. Lassoing them into my walker has got me so many free kills
Just the usual like melee hitting barrels to control their momentum better. Also if you lasso someone and you're not near a walker then you can barrel against a wall.
Tho something you probably already know but need to practice with if you want to maximise is the barrel momentum tech, if you become really good at it then you can do shit like this
https://files.catbox.moe/1wefk0.mp4
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>>563528010
That is vagueposting though.
Like what in specific is broken?
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>>563529827
>silver
>the average player can only bring out like 50% of their true power
That's not the issue. Silver is not a supremely difficult character, all you need is decent aim and enough experience to get a feel for when you should keep fighting and when you should awooo away. It's fairly easy to get fed on Silver if you can do that.
Her problem is that she scales inversely and she does not have the pushing power to force the game to end early on her own, effectively making her entirely team dependent. In pubs, this basically means a coin flip win rate minus a percent point or two for the people who pick her and can't hit the broad side of a barn because she genuinely does nothing in that case.
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unironically i don't get the haze complaining, she is even worse than bebop in that she ceases to be a character when you buy her counter. sometimes i will just spam melee her for fun instead of shooting her and her ult channels for so long that she still dies
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heresy build anything else is a meme, his aura is good now
torment pulse deals so much damage too, its consistently in my top 4because i have bad aimalongside EE
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Silver bros I'm about to crash out. These past few days I've had the worst teams imagineable
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This is my issue with the hero. You can have the most amazing early/mid game possible but a single bad teamfight erases all of your tempo.
My past 10-15 games have literally all been
>Get early lead
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>Enemy takes midboss and its GG
She does fucking nothing by the endgame besides be a useless meat shield its hilarious
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>>563530404
eternus is all shitters abusing one tricks on the current patch, aimbotters, boosters, win traders...people hoping to sell their accounts when the gaming is released, the list goes on. Taking any shooter seriously when peripheral cheats have gotten so good while there remains zero incentive to advance anti-cheat in these games is basically the dumbest shit you could possibly do
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>>563532135
Pisshigh gods where we at?
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Here's your Mina for today broIt's me
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Heh, by the time you reach 16 (you)'s the thread will already be locked. Should have posted sooner into the thread.
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Silver is a werewolf
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>>563532864
Silver looks a little different broshttps://gamebanana.com/mods/667846
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>>563532909
>friends buy TC
>whenever there's a skirmish they leave anything they're doing to go fish the assist
>objectives be damned
yoshi delete this fucking garbage item already
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>>563531090
>all you need is decent aim and enough experience to get a feel for when you should keep fighting and when you should awooo away.
You're overestimating the capabilities of the average player, for most people simple aim and decision making is hard
>Her problem is that she scales inversely
Not as bad as apollo in my experience, she still does shit mid and late game
>and she does not have the pushing power to force the game to end early on her own,
Most heroes like holiday M&K and shiv can't push well, and it's fine if they're useful for other stuff, not every hero needs to be a rem who can send his army to gangrape a walker
>effectively making her entirely team dependent.
Eh, i feel like that's the case for every hero depending on what you mean exactly, it's hard to carry in any moba but in deadlock it feels worse, you could go 10/0 and your team can still waste this opportunity
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>>563532909
It's bad, and it's made especially obsolete by the existence of golden goose egg, yoshi should at least make this item give a stat every minute so that it's still shit but at least then i can have fun building it whenever i see a +4 something on my screen
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>>563533676
What do you get out of being mean?
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>>563533676
>pic related is ugly
What are you fucking blind?
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>>563532909
It's a complete waste of money, for every one of it's benefits there is something else you could have gotten that does it better. That's not even getting into how at the point in the game where you can get this is when if you're going to get a green item, you're better off getting something that will actually help you live like metal skin or spirit resilience or counterspell
You are either delaying your team's rise or hastening their fall by getting it and it should be retooled or removed from the game, because again you have to actually earn the stacks which means depending on how the game goes it could take 20-30 minutes for the item to even generate 3200 souls to pay for itself
>Fortitude does the extra health better and you get health regen when not in combat allowing you to roam more
>Egg gives you a cheaper and better and instant form of passive soul gain
>Fleetfoot lets you move around faster
>Greater expansion gives 30% ability range and gives 10% spirit resist on top
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Every time Ivy speaks Spanish it makes me uncontrollably violent and horny, like i just want to grab the slut and rape her you know, just force my dick into her finely carved pussy and make sure it gets permanently painted white, make her scream MUCHO PARMESAN ESE or whatever spic shit she is typically saying as she shakes in pleasure man, then I'll out her on my porch and keep fucking her till I'm satisfied, which will probably be when she shits out ten stone babies and call them Carlos or Cabron or something and have them running around NYC doing odd jobs to support me as I continue pumping seed into her pussy as she cooks me food and calls me amor. Shit man, I'm bricked up
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>>563534441
Your waifu is bald
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>archon lobbies
>miserable, the most braindead retards there are. 0 comms and 0 macro and nobody wants to work with each other
>get put into emissary lobbies
>enjoyable game where everyone communicates and has decent macro
Boy, oh, boy. I sure enjoy this loop where I can't climb out of Archon because Archon players are bottom barrel scum despite being higher ranked than Emissary!
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i can't take much more of this
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>>563534652
>he thinks he's raping pic related with her muscular shoulders and yolked out pecs
Hehehehe you seeing this shit?
>>563535927
Tsundere, also he's just speaking his mind, he commends ivy for her heroism saying that's an act of freedom that he respects, morality aside, but in the same breath he warns her that he'll turn her into a charred corpse if she tries that shit with him. He also respects holiday but states that if she tries to take him in he's turning her into a corpse, guy is just vibing if you're not getting in his way
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how tf do i deal damage on SUPPORT rem? i buy torment pulse but my damage is always abysmal and it feels like it is the one part of my kit that is lacking. the utility is insanely good on rem for split pushing and shutting enemies down, but some games i lowkey finish with like 10k damage and it is pitiful. meanwhile dynamo can press 1 button and delete a continuous line through the whole map or kelvin can do the same while also shitting out healing
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does valve play favorites with cosmetics in dota? as much as i look forward to receiving mina cosmetics, i hope valve doesn't only give them to the popular characters
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>HE'S LE EDGY AND HE LAUGHED WHEN HE KILLED ALL THOSE BAD MEN DURING HIS EXECUTION AND WANTS POWER
>BUT HE ALSO RESPECTS MY LE FURRY OCs AND SAYS THEY HAVE POTENTIAL
>HE RESPECTS MY COOL FURRY WAIFU TOO
Tell me with honesty this is not a reddit/tumblr/tranny-coded /r/TopCharacterTropes character.
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>>563535927
Seven is shit, his model is shit, his design is shit, his kit is shit. Genuine 0/10 character only liked by subhuman ruskies who like the huge winrate on him.
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>>563536676
pocket is such a mistake in the games writing. If you've read the Geist vn, he looks nothing like his father Maximilian, he really just seems like some weird authors fetish were they wanted to include some hapa alphabet twink thats actually the super important heir to the richest company in the world but isnt le stoopid ebil like his bourgeois dad but instead wholesome frog eating vagrant that still has a designer overcoat and would've married the games giga stacy if he wasnt so targeted etc etc etc. Genuinely what is the point of this fag? His backstory and his interactions with everyone feel like they were written by someone that entered the industry through fanfics
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Seven's new model/art/animations will be a floating lich-like character who shoots lightning from his hands instead of bullets, and he uses green lightning like Victor.
Don't ask for source, as I will not give it to you, but it's why they gave Silver his old animations.
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>>563537843
I hope beach Vindicta's ass will be as big as the dress instead of some cop out about old timey dresses having bustles or whatever they were called to flair the waist. Vindicta should just be that bottom heavy
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Which visual novels and character stories are you guys excited for the most? For me it's holiday and shiv, maybe abrams too since basically every character worth their salt knows about the book
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God i love Paiges
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uh oh, seven trannies got upset
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>>563538898
Incorrect, solo black hole is perfectly fine to do to pick off important characters that are slippery, like Vyper or Wraith or Celeste.
Solo black hole on a Celeste followed by teabagging them after they die is quite great.
Especially if you have Tranny Cooldown so your black hole is back up in like 2 minutes
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>>563539064
1. Is a shitty overused trope
2. P*cket's whole character is still shitty fanfic author writing
>>563539160
Just look at their steam account you internet buttstalker
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>>563538860
as per the Geist VN we will see characters play big roles in others routes, what with one of Geists routes being the relation between oathkeeeper and the book. Because of that I think that Viscous will likely get an interesting set of routes, since they could pair him up with anyone against the adversary. I also hope that if/when Graves gets a VN the lich will be an evil rapist and not some eholesome chungus like the reddit fags want it to be, have her good ending be destroying the lich and snapping out of her IM SMARTER THAN EVERYONE AND DA WORLD SUX phase.
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>our blue walker is already down
>mirage is with our celeste brooling on a lane that's decently pushed
>dynamo solos our yellow walker
>mirage had ult
macrolet brooltards should be banned from picking mirage
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>>563538582
that doesn't bother me
the six man holes? the endless wave of near-unavoidable stomps?? the insane amounts of healing and damage from a support character????? yeah i'm more than a little miffed
it's like they asked a Redditor moderator to design the most disgusting self-insert power fantasy character who swoops in and saves the day, but maintain the quirky wholesome chungus fedora-tipping white knight persona
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Why vindicta isn't considered broken?
>insane damage and melts anyone who gets close
>never touches ground
>no gun in game has big enough range to pressure her and most heroes can't even reach her
>ult up 24/7
>counter items don't have enough range to reach her cuz she is behind her team anyway
>requires 6400 souls and 2 people to counter
>even if she gets knocked down, she still is unreachable
I'm new to mobas so maybe this bullshit is expected, but she deletes squishy heroes and only real counter play is to never engage or play tanky hero so buying armor actually makes sense. Only heroes that can pressure her mid air, she can fucking delete
Go ahead and give ma a working strategy for a Mina. I shouldn't be buying knockdown just to fucking counter 1 hero as mina who requires so much soul investment to get online at the first place. Please tell me how do i counter vindicta who knows how to position and doesn't take stupid fights
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>>563536487
sorry sorry it's top bar plus
i PROMISE i don't pay attention to the unspent souls i SWEAR
i just like the additional TIMERS and the % difference
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>graves gets Victor's ult (she puts down a grave and up to 2 allies of her choosing, get marked. if they die, they will be rezzed there upon death)
>victor gets Graves' ult (he puts down a tombstone and little copies of Frankenstein's Monster come out and do his ult explosion)
there i fixed deadlock
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Reddit/tumblr/twitter are that way faggot
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>>563539896
>Why vindicta isn't considered broken?
Because she is quite possibly one of the worst characters in the game, completely shut down by 3 items and has no clear defined role (aka, sucks a bit at everything).
She can still rape you if she snowballs, but is way less threatening than literally any other carry.
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>>563540074
Graves is already braindead enough, she shouldn't get Victor's stupid passive ult.
>>563539896
She's pretty miserable to lane against since she outranges literally everyone in the entire game and like half of the abilities on heroes can't hit her, but falls off really hard if she doesn't get several kills in lane.
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>>563540045
you havent played mina once
>>563540113
So a green 6400 item on mina just to counter 1 hero? I havent seen anyone buy that one on mina
and that's besides the point. This is an endgame item, so i take it she is free to do whatever the fuck she wants till then?
besides that. This item requires you to get in range and risk getting curb stomped by rest of the team
>flank and get in range
>use phantom strike
>burst her down
>get CC chained to death by rest of the team
and thats if you can secure kill on her before that
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>>563539896
play her and you'll see
if you're not going 20/0 you're near useless
and if the enemy team has a brain, they buy phantom strike and you're not allowed to play the game anymore. knockdown is a meme unless you have multiple and you coordinated its use because she can dispel/counterspell
don't buy knockdown on mina to counter her just fucking kill her lmao
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I fucking HATE redditmo SO FUCKING MUCH
Like genuinely why does every meta have to be so fucking cancer
I think the last time I had genuine fun playing this game was during Christmas
No dude WE NEED DYNAMO TO DENY ULTS
HAVE ONE OF THE BEST ULTS IN THE GAME
HEAL
AND HAVE A SPIRIT NUKE BURST AFTER WE JUST RAPED DOORMAN FOR THAT LOL
>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but you can just jump over eet :L
What a faggot ass ignorant comment
OH RLY? YOU CAN JUMP OVER ET?
Yeah dude half of this game isn't corridors and distractions to keep your eyes off the wholesome chungus who casually is 20x as hard to kill as a full build Abrams just because he exists
Fuck anyone who plays this character at least with Kelvin you can stun him out of his channels
This dumb nigger is pure instacast AGONY
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>>563539896
Just use your ult on her, flight makes Vindicta incredibly immobile (fly speed is slow and most people dont even rebind fly up to a different key from dash to be able to dash during the flight) so her only option is to cancel flight and dive for cover, flight has a 38 second CD and noone builds CD on Vindicta anyways, so forcing her to cancel flight means she is stuck on the ground. Shes also super squishy and noone builds any mobility other than enduring speed on her since she cant really afford too many green items. Worst case scenario she'll have spellbreaker and not take much damage from ult, but a love bites proc and rake should be enough to kill her most of the time. If you dont want to rely on ult then phantom strike or knockdown
>but muh 6400 souls
Vindicta is only an issue to kill in late game team fights when shes farmed stacks and can deal ten gorbillion M1 damage, and youll only have to get phantom strike to fuck her ass at that point
>stake and crows
dispell magic has been meta for a while, and there will definitely be ten million other things you can use it for, so get it. If you are having issues with her combo early in the game you can get reactive barrier, itll eat up her snipe damage.
Anyways, Vindictas main issue is that she is an M1 carry that instead of disappearing in a side lane for 25 minutes then rapes everyone, she has to actually roam hard and fight to get big stacks, and if she fails to do this she'll end up as the worst carry in the game, this is why she has a 47% wr compared to the 50 average of carries, so if she is really being that annoying to you just focus her ass in the first 15 minute of a game to make sure she can never get stacks
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>>563540842
What do you mean just kill her? Am i supposd to buy phantom strike or not? Because going in dry with no counter item never pays off. Just to get to her requires me to use up stamina or bats and I dont stay long enough in her range to burst her down, unless i use umbrella, which opens me to massive damage from her
And if I buy phantom strike, that's 6.4k souls that could go to literally any other item in game
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>>563541067
Some good advices here ty. Didn't really consider reactive barrier as her counter
>>563541261
It could be that i don't notice dogshit vindictas, but ones that are good get me tilted to shit
Using Nox has always been a fucking gamble when she is in the air. She often can melt me before i finish the case so i have to retreat I just don't see it as a viable strategy against vindicta that doesn't suck dick
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>>563541330
realistically it's not your responsibility to phantom strike her as mina
"kill her" as in she has terrible base HP and vitality is currently back to % scaling
if you ult her you will either kill her, or chunk her and set up for you to finish her with bats and rake
but if your team has people who could buy phantom strike but refuse to, and you cannot play the game without someone phantom striking vindicta, then unfortunately yeah you have to take that L. better spend 6.4k on an item that lets you win than 6.4k on an item that makes your damage on the scoreboard higher after you lose
at least you can hit it, bat, ult, bat, ult, strip, sand, varnish, buff, varnish, buff, varnish, wax, sand, buff, buff, buff
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>>563541330
you only buy phantom strike for her if she's mechahitler with a billion stacks in the late game and the enemy team collapses the second she dies (in which case you dying to secure the kill on her is a winning trade), and even then just get a support or frontliner to buy it instead. Mina generally doesnt need to buy phantom strike for Vindicta since her ult is already a counter, and you really dont need to get close to pop the ult on her so i dont get why you are saying you need to use bats to get close. Just press 4, and if you want another cheap counter option get disarming hex
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>>563540426
>His healing is fucking awful until you max it out though
brother, every ability powerspikes when you max rank it
it just so happens that his 'power spike' can regen up to 15% max HP + change to his entire team without any items
those are insane numbers and only grow further out of control when you buy Superior Duration
you compare that to someone like Rem who functions on % missing health - not max health - and has to hop skip and jump to each of his targets
>and that is always the last thing he maxes out.
depends who you ask but usually
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I wanna see holliday and silver interact, in regards to the lich she's obviously evil but i hope she gets some nuance
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i want to watch a match with icefrog or one of the devs.
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>>563539280
Ladder play just can't be taken seriously until they add a strict limit on rank differentials in group queues but they can't do that without pissing off trannies that exclusively stack nor can they add an unranked mode without splitting the relatively small playerbase. I would care less if it didn't affect match quality so much.
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>>563541987
Rem's heal is much stronger than Dynamo's heal since it makes him completely invincible during it. Dynamo's heal is useless in actual fights until it is maxed out because it disables his ability to do anything besides walk around and be a fat fuck. His healing is by no means good.
Also not true, many abilities get good with just 1 or 2 levels of investment into them.
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>>563541886
>does she have any voice lines about her sister
Yes pic related
>when she sleeps? that would be cool
Idk desu need to check in with rem's voicelines
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>It's a Vindicta built both counterspell and dispell magic episode.
Guess it wasn't meant to be..
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why am i getting put into low arcanist lobbies as ritualist 2-3? Not enough players in europe?
Also I hope this viscous troon kills himself at some point.
>complains about apollo for the whole game
>tell him to buy slowing hex
>doesn't and keeps complaining
>lets yamato and apollo snowball
>tells me I'm dogshit if I believe that buying counters early would help
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>watch random "#1 [insert dishonest hero here] PLAYER NA/EU"
>some random 20 year old with his shirt off and hair that you can't tell if he got out of the shower 40 mins ago and didn't comb it or hasn't showered in 4 days"
>gets tilted by his lane partner being smarter and not feeding alongside him and spends the entire match whining
>loses match. keeps whining about being tilted while queuing next match
>15 minutes into the new match still whining about being tilted by his lane partner from the pervious match