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7.5 Roadmap Edition
>News
Black Cat character reveal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn7a5F9oJwo
Dev vision vol 16: https://youtu.be/Z6JC-ciabRg
Balance Notes: https://x.com/marvelrivals/status/2044143818870550725
White Fox Character Reveal: https://youtu.be/esb1CBW2WK8
Lower Manhattan Map Reveal: https://youtu.be/ChBE64P3Ams
Hospitality 101 Event: https://x.com/i/status/2041591841058124198
Version 20260326 Balance Post: https://www.marvelrivals.com/balancepost/20260325/41667_1292877.html
Dual Life of Peter Parker event: https://x.com/i/status/2034336534070272258
>Store
Black Cat's Urban Predator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rbalW0qYaQ
Iron Fist’s Lin Shao: The Knockout and Jeff The Landshark’s Maid to Chomp skins: https://x.com/i/status/2041169240045097174
Cloak & Dagger's Daring Duo and Captain America's Brett Hendrick: The Star skins: https://x.com/i/status/2036118339370586501
Punisher's Marauder Marksman: https://x.com/i/status/2033996794342838398
Ultron's Odinforce Ultron skin: https://x.com/i/status/2033981697981546574
White Fox's Yoon Ji-woo: The Leader skin: https://x.com/i/status/2033966601918181456
The Thing's Fear Itself and Daredevil's Born Again Season 2 skins: https://x.com/i/status/2031407298669666551
Psylocke's Once-Captive Corsair & Captain America's Cursed Captain skins: https://x.com/i/status/2029738798007886162
>Links
Hero Hot List: https://marvelrivals.com/heroes_data/
Guides & News: https://marvelrivals.gg/
Tracker Resources: https://rivalstracker.com
Mobalytics Page: https://mobalytics.gg/marvel-rivals
FANDOM Wiki: https://marvelrivals.fandom.com/
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This nigga made the OP with a fucking thumbnail LMAO
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>>563698894
damn minipass spam is real
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they really didn't playtested this shit
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>Possible hero data for Moon Knight and Squirrel Girl for Blood Hunt PVE
gonna be comfy
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>>563699507
Not mine
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>>563699281
>tank tards cry about CC like morons
>tanks tards also lose all the CC that makes them playable
deserved...like I said CC is not the problem it never was, bucky was the one exception and everyone blew it out of proportion
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>literally the 2 most boringest tanks are now the only viable ones
I DONT WANNA FUCKING PLAY STRANGE OR MAGNETO
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What did tanks do to deserve such treatment? You can't play Emma, Rogue, Hulk, Thor, Peni, Groot, Cap, Angela, so what the fuck? They all die all but instantly when trying to do their function, piss damage, and yes Im fucking bored playing Strange and Mag
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>>563699675
Mag dropped out of Rogue's combo because it's essentially a burst of CC moves that filled his Tenacity factor really fast, meaning the new system is a hard nerf to her. And she's already situationally okay, generally bad.
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It’s my birthday wish me happy birthday please
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You WILL be buying her pass and all her additional cosmetics, right?
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>>563700009
this is all the devs care about is which matching purse to wear
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>Spider-Man's new legendary has that dead-eyed stone face during any emote since they were never designed with his face in mind
You think they'll ever go back and fix that? It looms pretty bad when you can only use one emote normally.
Even something like his seat emote looks off. His Man-Spider one just looks silly. Screaming and writhing around in agony while his face doesn't move and his mouth is shut.
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What is up with quickplay suddenly getting full with scrubs? Every time I try a different character I rarely play, the enemy team are hyper competent at healing and my team usually makes no effort to take out the healers that are constantly negating any damage done to the frontline. I always have to switch to the characters I'm good at to get any KOs because 4/5th every match I get, i'm paired up with absolute retards. Is quickplay based on skillmatching?
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>instantly nuke the enemy players at the start of the match
>they swap characters in real time
>healpool staggers us for 4 minutes straight
>not even an apology
lol why are teammates like this? do people care more about rage baiting or being a complete cuckhold than they do winning the match and getting it over with?
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WOW THESE SPECIFIC CHARACTERS ARE MAKING THE GAME UNPLEASENT WITH CC SPAM?
LETS DO A UNIVERSAL CHANGE TO CC FOR EVERYONE EVEN THE CHARACTERS WHO RELIED ON IT AND WERE C-B TIER
lol isnt it funny how they keep doing shit like this? is phoenix got nerfed then like 4 other characters get nerfed.
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>>563700310
fuck you
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gambit might actually go on to be one of the longest lasting reoccuring bans in the game.
I'm genuinely surprised that Zhiyong and GuangGuang refuse to take the L on this because It's just as clear as day that he shouldn't get healing on his ultimate let alone be able to damage boost.
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>defend Rogue against hate
>buy her bullshit wedding RNG skin
>praise Netease for designing an underpowered character under the guise "git gud"
>and now they pull this bullshit
It's so wrong bros
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Psylocke’s game
>>563700009
Yes
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I usually roll my eyes at doomposters and literally never say that kind of shit but I unironically think that if they go through with this CC change this will accelerate the death of this game.
Who tf was complaining about CC?
Im diamond, play dive tanks and duelists yet I never felt like it was that big of an issue.
Is it a high elo thing? is it a bottom elo thing?
What a shit show
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Sex with Thor while CC immune
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Wait so you telling me jeff and white fox is just gonna drop out of CC skills while infinitely healing themselves?Namor just gonna bubble out of my thing tackle?Psy is gonna just dash out of my groot ult?
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>>563701316
Getting mass CC chained is not fun of course but how often does it actually occur?
People in this game dont comms of any type, so coordinated combos of that nature aeemingly rarely occur (in my personal experience, Ill admit).
Hence why Im asking if the people asking for that change were higher elo people who have to fight people with brains and teamwork in mind or did the bitching come from players who cant even plan 2 steps ahead.
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>Emma's beam does piss damage, takes too long to build up, and her shield is worthless now
>Rogue's cooldowns are ridiculous enough as it is
>Hulk has to flee constantly and we're doomed to revert into puny Banner, a form no one plays willingly
>Thor has to dive head first into the fray and usually pays for it
>Angela has shitty health/shields, and her charge attack is jank as fuck thus making her entire playstyle unplayable
>Peni has to lay down 3 mines to kill anything, and her web zip is still bugged
>Groot is circumstantial and easily countered
>Captain America can't kill anything
NetEase, just say you fucking hate tanks. That's the reason why so many end up solo, you make it impossible to play the role.
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>>563701015
In game model seems ok. Much better than her 2D artwork. She’s no Sue but she’s also no Emman either. Let’s go with a cautious ‘not gay to coom to for now’ verdict until she officially releases.
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>>563701254
Everyone was complaining about CC but the primary problem was
Bucky
Phoenix
Elsa
Angela
Spider-Man
Invisible Woman
Luna
They just had an overwhelming amount of stun and if you ran 2-3 of them in a team composition then you couldn't play specific characters. This upcoming update is the best example of Zhiyong spitefully punishing everyone because he doesn't want to nerf things on a case-to-case basis. They legitimately just need to accept that specific characters are ruining the game and It's suffocating the entire roaster.
But for some, they'll continue wearing the clown-make up. Hopefully Reddit have a meltdown when they CC venom and Hulk into nonstop deaths.
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>>563701639
Agree on everything except Rogue. Fuck Rogue. Tired of faggots pretending this piece of shit flying everywhere and literally cluttering your screen worse than Deadpool In Your Area is bad.
Also Groot is THE most banned tank in the game, what are you on. Ironwood buff makes him immune to Wolverine.
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>>563701828
Most players who bitch about Ultron usually overextend and have crap positioning. You can't accuse an Ultron for healboting, unless they just outright refuse to shoot. If you stick with him, you can be immortal
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>>563701382
yes
ignite the battle!
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Blade bro, I have been on the edge of my seat wondering, what are your thoughts on Black cat? She catch your eye?
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>>563701648
I can agree with this, even if I think her general design takes too many cues from the others and makes her look kinda samey
>>563701091
Once again, the emojis are just better (minus the freakishly long fingers)
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ChudThor
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>>563699281
they might have to actually roll this back before tomorrow just what was Chinkyong thinking, the complaint was getting hit with multiple CC from different characters. It should only activate for that not one fucking character
why cant he do anything right
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>>563702679
these dialogue exchanges are always so cringe
>hey spider man! remember the time i fought a giant spider once?
>heh, thats nothing blade! what about the time i fought off 15 rabid vampires?
>heh, i could take them myself!
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Hulkbros, I quit. No more. I am Psylocke main now. Psylockesisters, I'm struggling with supports. They can heal up so easily so I end up using my left-right-left without killing anyone. How can I as Psylocke deal with the easiest role?
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>everyone just wanted diminishing returns on hard CC so you don't get frozen/webbed/displaced into dying
>they just introduce a huge global mechanic that includes all soft CC so now the game is entirely unpredictable
it must be a really sweet gig to get paid to be a fucking retard
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>>563702679
>Rivals Thor confirmed gay
Congrats, baraposter
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she's got a bad case of gamer posture
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>>563703238
>Please bro, just go Magneto. Mag is the best solo tank. Please, just play Mag. Trust me bro, we don't need a second tank. I swear the tanks are good, just skill issue bro
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>>563702831
That’s what happens when your shit is marketed towards “all ages”
>>563703510
Gay wishful thinking more like
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>pull up psylocke dark-skinned_male on second monitor
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If you're wondering why Squirrel Girl is getting skins, it's because of me
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>>563704090
damn you been licking butts and shooting nuts
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I got the lowest amount of rankup points on my team for this game lol
I genuinely hope the cc update kills this game because i cant afford to waste anymore cortisol on this shit
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I think at this point I hate Punisher more than I ever hated Phoenix
>shuts down off tanks entirely with the shotgun
>requires a Magneto pick to have any sort of counter play
>if the Punisher also has a Magneto/Strange on his team your Magneto counter is no longer a counter
Other than having a significantly better Hela/Phoenix at mid/long range there seems to be no actual counter to this character. He counters tanks, off tanks, divers, and flyers.
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>>563704430
DPS gods bow down now peasant
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>Thing can't do his grounded slam into his ULT.
>Wolverine can't Kidnap into his ULT
FIRE THESE FRAUDS. THEY DON'T EVEN PLAY TEST THEIR GAMES
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Everyone gets fucked by it. Remember its a team game, everyone is getting CCd all the time and yours could always just be rhe unlucky last one. Maybe Thor only dashes once, but the got two ticks of Wanda's stuff and a Sue shove and slow before, so your one dash you tried to use just makes them immune and fucks your ass.
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>stand in peni web
>accumulate infinite tenacity
>be forever immune to cc
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I fucking hate Marvel
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>beg for rogue buffs
>get a slight cooldown decrees then nothing for months
>cope and play her anyways since shes still pretty fun
>devs say fuck you and nerf her anyways
Alright I'll just play dps since all the fun tanks keep getting gutted.
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>angela
>blade
>hulk
>invisible woman
>jeff
>Mr Fantastic
>peni
>rogue
>scarlet witch
>spiderman
>the thing
>thor
>Venom
>wolverine
These heroes have chain CC kits and probably get fucked hardest by new anti-CC system. How long until they roll back kek?
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>>563699281
>they really didn't playtested this shit
I could've told you that from the solution they came up with. No actual good game designer would've done such an overdesigned and fragile system that could break in so many ways.
What they should've done is just flat out remove a lot of CC from most of the roster, especially Duelists and some Strategists. There is simply way too much CC in the game for heroes that don't need it.
Zhiyong is so fucking bad at his job I'm actually stunned.
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>NetEase says they're going to nerf CC
>tanks get excited
>NetEase puts in a blanket CC nerf across the board, nerfing tanks the hardest of all from doing their job
NetEase consistently proving that they only have a hammer so everything is a nail. Anyone with a brain would recognize tanks are the class that need CC and CC resistance for game balance. Instead NE is terrified of making DPS and Supp babbies shit their diapers if they just gave Tenacity to tanks.
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They can't.
They have backed themselves into a corner building DPS and Support kits around CC even down to adding ridiculous soft CC to retarded shit like Moon Knight's Ankh. If they did what they should have done, strip CC out of every DPS but maybe Wolverine who it's essential to and all Supports, they would be faced with a chimpening of players freaking the fuck out.
Likewise, if they did what they should have done and just gave CC resistance to tanks, then DPS and Supps would also lose their fucking minds that the tanks get something they don't. We're already getting treated to, "Oh but WE get hit by CC too it affects everyone!" because these players have literally zero understanding of how different roles have different purposes in a Hero Shooter and maybe there's a reason tanks should have CC resistance but others shouldn't for the same reason supports should have healing but tanks shouldn't.
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>bloated diver kit
>oh hey, let's also give this hero an entire page worth of extra abilities
>like team wallhack, self purge, portal through walls, invisibiility, a movement ability and grounding zone
Why do they keep just throwing so much shit into all hero kits.
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>>563706175
The game is gonna be more focused on side content anyways so soon the 6v6 changes wont matter. Were gonna get what overwatch promised but at the cost of balance being whatever it is.
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>>563705649
She deserves a nice strong man like her brother to breed her…
>>563706636
True…
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>>563699479
None of you read Blood hunt did you.
Moon Knight was a key part to that.
Also give me fucking Tigra holy fuck.
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I'm one of those and I wrongly assumed the one designing and implementing it was a human being and not an insect.
Does the immunity trigger from blade's anti-heal?
CC immune foes are unaffected by anti-heal ergo it counts as a form of CC.
He applies it in 4 ticks, on top of a knockback, for 5 total in a single dash.
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>Supports complain everyday
>Supports get everything they want and blessed by khonshu
>Tanks complain once
>Tanks get monkey pawed and their entire linage will be cursed
I'm sorry I underestimated your power supportsisters...
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No, but it applies on microboops like catching someone with the dash.
The funny thing is that slows don't count, it seems that this system is specifically designed to stop displacement and hard stun CC only. Other form of debuffs don't count.
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tigra and cheetah should kiss
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>>563708840
>Zhiyong says that some big change is coming that everyone has been asking for
>they wind up implementing it in such a way that makes it clear that they don't even bother to consider playtesting shit and don't play half their characters
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Any Iron Man mains experience your mouse lagging when you are using your chest beam? I don't know whether it's the game itself or my mouse but I keep on lagging at the most important times when I am trying to lock onto an enemy and it sometimes makes me want to smash my stupid chinkwear mouse.
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Felicia wants T'Challa's meat.
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we DC now?
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It's time for the strike boys
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They're definitely shifting focus to the alt modes like PVE and 1 v 6 with the Path to Doomsday. Which I may not be against. The comp scene is fucked but I still have fun in the 18 v 18 modes and the occasional alt modes like that battle chess mode they had and the first pve was fine for an initial experiment. So yeah, go for the more chill fun modes and leave that mess behind.
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When you bring me out can you introduce me as The Undertaker
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>>563711101
I have Z's hairline.
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I bought this variant physically.
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based. i hope you enjoy adding it to your collection.
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Did they just rip off Smite. From the recent Smite patch notes
>Tenacity now reduces the intensity and strength, but not the duration of:
>Vortexes
>Fears and Taunts
>Intoxicates and Trembles
>Slows
>Knockbacks and Knockups
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>>563713214
You're right. It's time to give Invis a second shield charge
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how's this for a black cat kit?
Passive 1 - enemies can't hear her footsteps.
Passive 2 - any enemy in her presence has a 50% chance of their crits failing.
Passive 3 - whichever enemy lands the final hit on her gets super bad luck meaning for the next 10 seconds they have a 50% chance of any of their attacks doing 50% less damage.
Passive 4 - whoever has ace on the enemy team is worth more money than their allies.
M1 - standard melee attack. doesn't steal money from people.
M2 - ranged whip attack. cost money to use and has a chance to crit no matter where you strike the enemy. also grants bonus health if she hits the enemy. doesn't steal money from people.
Shift - dash attack. 2 charges. pierces through enemies. steals money through those she passes through. also inflicts super bad luck.
E - whip that steals money from the enemy.
R - the little strange portal. but instead of being magic, make it a gadget or someshit.
F - gamble move. press it to spend some money and get a random passive buff for 10 seconds. could be a speed boost to herself and surrounding allies, could be a damage boost to herself and surrounding allies, could be invisibility to herself, could be seeing through walls for herself and allies, could be CC immunity for herself and allies, could be healing over time to herself and allies, or it could just result in wasted coins. buffs can't be stacked. if you use the ability while a buff is activity it just gets replaced by the new one.
Ult - she throughs a bunch of cards at the enemy. anyone hit by it is give a random debuff for a couple of seconds, and the severity of the debuff is up to chance.
keeps the theme of bad luck and stealing money but doesn't result in her having 50 million magical moves like a wizard. her niche will basically be flanking to steal money and buff her team.
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>>563713214
Not entirely but getting caught in Emma's ult will basically give any character full Tenacity meter lel
Enjoy. I mean if anything if you're a tank you're going to want to walk into Emma's ult to take damage as a trade for full CC resistance and go apeshit.
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>>563712604
No. No one has done something as retarded as the anti-CC thing in Rivals. Any sensible designed wouldn't even have greenlit it for prototyping.
The way to do it is to have a passive CC duration and/or intensity reduction. Either for a duration or passively. Having it pop a multi second long CC immunity after a set amount is retarded, making it too uncontrollable and random.
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>>563713931
>Will maid Elsa shake her fat ass in front of the camera like Deadpool?
Of course not. For males it's not sexist because it's a """joke""" but for women it's sexist because it's a woman. Double standards, what's that?
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>>563713550
i've noticed lately that people are less interested in speculating about upcoming heroes and daydreaming of kits because the honeymoon phase of the game is ending and many of us are still without our favorite heroes and are increasingly frustrated by kit power creep. i'm sure this is a decent write-up but frankly NetEase aren't going to listen to us so it's just kinda pointless.
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>>563715349
More or less.
Characters I want:
>Juggernaut
>DOOM
>Cable
>Beta Ray Bill
>Doctor Octopus
>Cyclops
The only one of these that isn't full on A list known by everyone is Bill basically. Maybe Cable to an extent but he's like Marvel A- tier at worst given how highly featured he was in the 90's and even wound up in Deadpool 2. The others are as basic as they come. Yet for some reason they are insisting on shoving in random Literally Who characters as if they're going to run out of Marvel characters.
They could do an entire year of nothing but Spider-Man villains and still not leave the Marvel A-list. Then there's all the X-Men. Avengers. Villains. Marvel has such a deep bench they can do literally years of well known characters even at 12 per year.
I understand they need to make coomer characters to sell skins to keep the game going to Black Cat makes sense but like, why Luna? Why White Fox? Why Devil Dinosaur? A big T-Rex is cool but it's not gonna push people into the game, adding people's favorite characters does that. i see Marvel Tokon making the same problem where the devs think lol so random picks is cool and creative when in reality if you want people to buy your game you should jam it full of all the most popular characters and just a couple off the wall picks.
Although for Tokon they're just doing the new fighting game standard of saving fan favorites for DLC to sell battle passes.
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GuangGuang flat out said they and Marvel want to have hundreds of characters in Rivals eventually. So they will drip feed heroes people actually want with most of them being literal who ones.
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great post. i completely agree with the sentiments expressed. i really hope the rest of the Tōkon trailers aren't as underwhelming as Spidey's was. i can only hope that the player count of Rivals will crater to such a cataclysmic extent that they'll lock in and start more popular characters and less literal who's.
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Yoon Ji-Woo: the big fat ass
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Venom-chads...
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>avengers 1 iron man costume
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Forgot image.
Eddie was a completely different character in Amazing Spider-man, kinda weird he got a whole ass comic run and they barely acknowledged how much of a monster he used to be.
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>>563699728
CC has been a problem since the game debuted.
>>563694531
Not having the game littered with CC is an even better idea.
>>563697991
Too many people in this game don't know how to play without a shield tank
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>14.92% pick rate
>58K matches
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More light blue and pink huh
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Save your cooldowns and bait out their cooldowns
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Yo yo /mrg/
Wanted to practice drawing Hela again and this was initially supposed to be a quick warmup sketch but now I'm drawing a Standalone Hela 2026 Set in addition to the Lady Loki x Hela Hardcore Oyakodon
So here's a first look!Will also have Tanlines/Nip Piercings/Pubes/Textless Alts in the finals, currently debating on Preg Alts
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>Don't take this the wrong way but this version is super sexo compared to your fully colored stuff, this just hits different.
No worries anon! You aren't only one and evenI think this sometimes, there's something about the Flat Colours that's honestly so appealing to me that gets lost in the rendering. I might just start seriously practicing dialing back the rendering in certain areas to reach some kind of middle ground. Ty for the constructive feedback tho I appreciate it
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>Will also have Tanlines/Nip Piercings/Pubes/Textless Alts in the finals, currently debating on Preg Alts
Now that's what I call BASED! Vol 12.
I'm really looking forward to HelaXLady Loki, and I'm sure you've got a lot on your plate, but what's the ETA on your first Felicia pic? She's gonna be easy coom fodder for the devs and fanartists alike.
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So they take feedback log in as luna and bucky
play for probably 10 games and "balance" based on the games they played
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>>563727964
She might be a little overtuned right now, that doesn't mean you need to Black Widow her shit before she's even officially out. Let's at least see how she fairs in the hands of the people first.
Deadpool's kit has tons of bells and whistles and it's generally agreed that only Tankpool is strong, Healpool is okay, and Duelpool sucks.
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They could take the CC out of Rogue's kit, except the ability drain, and she'd be fine. Most Rogue's use her moves for added damage and mobility. The fact she pulled, knocked up, and dragged with the dive kick are added effects no one asked for.
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>Peni
>Thor
Not exactly because their CCs aren't long enough to trigger tenacity and even if applied on Thor's end, he can still drag you even if the effects are reduced slightly as the patch notes states.
See here:
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Peni will get hit because at any point there are a bunch of effects going on in the game that count towards the cc change. Its short but it will stack with the other affects. Thor will be hit similarly but he can play around it a little more.
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>there are a bunch of effects going on in the game that count towards the cc change
So the system is working as intended because that means it affects those characters as well too. In a 1v1 scenario, tenacity will rarely applied but in a team contention scenario the mechanic will appear more often.
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It doesnt affect any of those characters in a significant way, streamers have already tested it. Slows don't count as cc for whatever reason. Thor doesn't stack that much CC in practice despite the bubble and hammer push. Hulk is affected primarily because the exiled shit eats most of the tenacity threshold before they launch the juggle combo.
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jesus christ, negros is doing some wacky things with her portals. theres so much more potential than i realized, you can make portals that go really damn far if you find the right spots
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I'm dropping Storm. I can't take it anymore.
>Ultimate is a suicide button(thanks powercreep)
>Tons of bad matchups now
>Easy kill target in every new character trailer
>Play Storm into Psylocke, I dare you
>Healers just laugh at your ult(thanks again powercreep)
>Slowest flyer
>Need to be near the ground for team to utilize aura buff
>Tons of average abilities ground you
>Still reloading wind instead of infinite ammo
>Shots pierce, but veer off path after the 1st hit, so unreliable
>Speed still useless outside of leaving spawn
and the worst offense:
>Still no Gala skin
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>>563732967
So the juggle isn't even dead like they claim. The cc change is already a huge buff to Hulk, who is already meta this season. Hulkfags really are entitled fucks.
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>>563733373
tbf storm has been shitty in every adaptations shes in,MVC2 is legit the only exception,shes mid in tokon trash in comic invasion , mid in ultimate alliance etc for some reason a weather bender destroys devs imagination
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>>563730992
no more melee tanks please,deadpool showed the problem with that trash role and they nerfd him because he was dominating
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>>563733373
A lot of fan favorite characters are starting to get power crept to hell and back unless your favorite Marvel is man with gun Punisher, Bimbo with a ton of over shields, or you got lucky and its a support character blessed by all the Zhiyong buffs.
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>>563736186
There is nothing wrong with a duelist who can do some support. The issue is that they're hard to tune like tanky duelists and end up being super niche. Afaik Storm sees some use in tournaments, but she's probably not good in uncoordinated teams.
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Because supports got to be good and netease hate negroes
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>>563736362
the queens of the game get all of the skins
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>>563734697
>The wind tempo giving you bonus health then switching to the lightening tempo for damage and resets seems like the go to, no?
Nah. It trades a potentially team-wide damage buff, and some of your own damage, for temporary bonus health. Imagine stealing damage from your teammates and yourself just so you can get bonus health at a really bad conversion rate. She's also the only character asked to do that: trade damage for bonus health. Everyone else just gets it for free but even if she did get bonus health for free, it doesn't fix her issues.
The lightening aura buffs just cemented the fact she should always be in lightning form. She's not a brawler that an sustain in a fight, so there is no play-style where you farm bonus HP in wind form, then swap to lightening. You''ll get blown up before the benefits of her wind aura come into affect and your trading kill potential for it.
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>>563699775
Why the fuck are you complaining at this point? Zhyiong has gone on record saying he wants one specific meta (poke) to always be stronger than everything else. This is the game he wants. It is not going to change ever.
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>>563737029
>hates blonde men
>thor has more skins than most the female cast
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>overwatch
>tanks are so annoying they make the game complete unfun
>rivals
>dive heroes are annoying they make the game complete unfun
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>>563699775
Its a herro SHOOTER not hero PUNCHER
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>>563737457
In most fights you'd be in Rain mode. Wind mode gets people back to point faster and gives overshield to her and underlings. Storm damage of course. While Rain would be the predominant one, the others would have use too just like Mantis isn't always only spamming the heals.
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>>563733373
Storm main reporting in
>>Ultimate is a suicide button(thanks powercreep)
It's not if you're monitoring cooldowns, but also even if you dont kill it's still a useful tool to force a support ult before the actual fight begins so you can do a team without dealing with that, which is huge.
>>Tons of bad matchups now
Eh, she's a flier. Fliers are like rock paper scissors, that's just part of the archetype.
>>Easy kill target in every new character trailer
lmao character trailer, how mad are you?
>>Play Storm into Psylocke, I dare you
Actually decent against her since when she goes invis at low hp to get away you can use your surge and it'll auto hit her to finish her off or at least reveal her.
>>Healers just laugh at your ult(thanks again powercreep)
You already said this, how mad are you?
>>Slowest flyer
Because she becomes very fast when you want. Wind stance used to be a joke but since you get blue health while in it now it's a legitimate useful skill
>>Need to be near the ground for team to utilize aura buff
Not that near, but also you want to be near because her lmb penetrates for collateral. Ironman also has to be near the ground for his beam and people who go way up to spam the bolts are throwing. All fliers dont go that high.
>>Tons of average abilities ground you
Fliers in general, no big deal. You play mear the ground anyways, as established.
>>Still reloading wind instead of infinite ammo
Who... cares?
>>Shots pierce, but veer off path after the 1st hit, so unreliable
They dont veer off path, they change the attack speed. Do you even play her? Is this bait?
>>Speed still useless outside of leaving spawn
Shitter detected. Wind stance is incredible for stalling a point or chasing the enemy. Remember the surged Wind stance also slows enemies.
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>green goblin mentioned in spider-mans new story as being the one to kill main timeline captain america
GOBLINBROS HOW WE FEELING?
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>>563741423
>flier
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Thor is fine. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2mvr9uq5UWg
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>rivals
>adding cool and unique designs
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>>563741423
>man with waves kills symbol of American values
What did they mean by this?
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>>563739356
and then there's delusional die hard fans like this that will defend their shit sandwhich at all costs with responses like:
> its not suicide if time it while everyone's abilities are on cd
> Implying they need a support ult to deal with yours at all
> its ok cause shes a ground based flyer
> dude not if she's low heath
> she's fast if I want her to be
> who cares
> wind stance is incredible for stalling point
> comparing unibeam to anything Storm does
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>> its not suicide if time it while everyone's abilities are on cd
Not what I said
>> Implying they need a support ult to deal with yours at all
Skill issue?
>> its ok cause shes a ground based flyer
Talked about fliers in general not going all that high, actually. Storm plays like two feet lower than most fliers do, that's all.
>> dude not if she's low heath
Sorry this is severe skill issue, I was assume you fought with psylocke and didn't get shit on because that's how it works for me, my bad.
>> she's fast if I want her to be
That's what abilities do.
>> who cares
Yeah? It's ok for characters to have strengths and weaknesses. Dont overreact just because she has a counter, that's fine.
>> wind stance is incredible for stalling point
Another astounding skill issue. It really. Surge wind and got hit about 1/3 as much while generating blue hp, you'd be surprised what you can do with that. Well, not you, you're a shitter, but what I can do with that.
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I compared the positioning, yeah. Which is comparable.
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>>563741423
>goblin rallied all of spider-mans rogues to take over manhattan
>used goblin formula to boost their powers
>this happened before dracula
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>>563739356
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>racism used as a wedge to distract people from their true enemy
Art imitates life.
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>I'm really looking forward to HelaXLady Loki, and I'm sure you've got a lot on your plate, but what's the ETA on your first Felicia pic?
Thanks bro and LOL you have no idea man my art schedules almost always on fucking fire but it's a good sign since I'd rather be a busy artist than a starving one!
As for Felicia honestly literally if I can lock in even for one night that's all it would take to finish, I can one shot it as all that's left is the rendering/clothing Alts/Pubes/etc
I only really have one priority commission at this time(and it's the last one left from my previous Patreon comm wave, it's a lifesize body pillow commission of Lillia from League of Legends)but my clients are mad cool and know how busy I am.
tldr; Black Cat next
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You cant stall forever but you can put in some time. You position yourself over their DPS head, one of the hardest angles to consistently hit from. Activate your wind surge for a ton of speed making you even harder to hit. Pepper their tank with lmb, doesn't matter that you're tickling him because he's the biggest target and you only need to make contact to generate shield. And basically like 9/10 times you can stall for at least the full duration of your surge buff, which is often all you need.
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>Awesome! nipple rings are great too instead of the nipple bars
KINO taste and noted bro!
I did do nipple rings Alts for pic related Hela so thanks for the reminder to include them again!
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>Not what I said
You literally said
>It's not if you're monitoring cooldowns
So please make up your mind
>Skill issue?
Your the retard that said it can force a support ult. It doesn't take a support ult to deal with so what are you talking about?
>Sorry this is severe skill issue
Your literally said
>>when she goes invis at low hp
So your point against it not being a bad match up is if she's already low HP? How retarded are you?
>Thats what abilities do
If you knew what abilities did then you'd know she is still the slowest flier like I said and not wave it off with delusion like "shes fast if I want her to be"
>Don't overreact just because she has a counter, that's fine.
How is this a response to the annoyance of needing to reload the wind? Are you retarded? Did I ever say otherwise?
>Still standing on wind mode being good for stalling point
You are literally telling on yourself and I'm going to keep letting you look stupid for doubling down on this. It's always the actual terrible players claiming others are bad.
>I compared the positioning, yeah. Which is comparable.
Literally none of Storms abilities compare to unibeam's range, especially not the aura which is what I was talking about.
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>>563735423
your best bet for the time being until they start reworking season 0 characters is either:
>play a popular skin seller character that ensures they'll get buffs if they're not good (luna, psy, invis)
>play one of the recent new release heroes
everyone else is going to be left in the dust
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Dps don't peel regardless unless you're in the higher ranks. They'll go triple dps and have one tank against two tanks and a wolverine and still expect you to be the one to drop everything you're doing and peel. Then at the end they'll see you with lower KOs and type tank diff or some shit.
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>everyone else is going to be left in the dust
It's times like this where I wish the game was just Ultimate Alliance 4 on PC with mods instead of just an unbalanced Overcuck clone with China at the helm.
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>>Not what I said
Yep, you only need to monitor the right cooldowns, which is often just one or maybe two in the whole lobby. Not everyone's. It feels like a huge impossible task to you because you're a shitter so you're using hyperbole by saying everyone's cooldown, but it's not.
>Your the retard that said it can force a support ult
Yes, if you plop it right on a supports head they will either die or ult. You can use this when a kill isnt viable to force the ult before the fight begins. This is called ult economy, youd know if you werent a shitter.
>So your point against it not being a bad match up is if she's already low HP?
No sorry you cant read I'll dumb it down for you. When she tries to kill you, and you fight back, and then when you're about to win that fight because you're not a shitter (unrelateable to you I know, but bear with me) she then tries to escape with the stealth. At which point you use the button that kills through stealth. She is not "already" on low hp, you put her on low hp. Well, I do, you're a shitter so maybe you dont.
>wave it off with delusion like "shes fast if I want her to be"
You might be mistaken, thats what YOU tried to wave it off with. I know its hard to be retarded, but thats not what I said.
>How is this a response to the annoyance of needing to reload the wind?
I guess I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but I wont make thst mistake again so dont worry. I was assuming you werent such a massive sperg that you think characters that need to reload are shit because of the reload. Thank you for correcting me.
>Still standing on wind mode being good for stalling point
Skill issue.
>>I compared the positioning, yeah. Which is comparable.
>Literally none of Storms abilities compare to unibeam's range
Uh oh! Retard literally quoted me saying positioning and immediately argued about range instead of positioning! Goddam you are worthless, no wonder you think Storm is bad.
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I ask this all the time
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>Yep, you only need to monitor the right cooldowns
>Yes, if you plop it right on a supports head they will either die or ult
Again. Make up your mind. I said it doesn't need an ult to deal with. You keep telling on yourself.
>and then when you're about to win
You don't win this match up and the fact you think you do tells me all I need to know about your imaginary skill level and how delusional you are.
>thats what YOU tried to wave it off
Again you are delusional. idk what kind of psyop this is but you look retarded trying to pull it off.
>I made a response that literally made no sense and thats your fault
Yes we know you are a retard. You just continue to prove it.
>Uh oh! Retard literally quoted me saying positioning and immediately argued about range instead of positioning!
Again you are using an imaginary position requirement for Unibeam as a comparison against Storms aura RANGE. You tried to make a lot of retarded points but this might be the most telling one yet.
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>>563700003
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Smite's DR system has been in place for many years now, and I was just recently tweaked. Before this knockups were not reduced, they just built your DR meter. Smite's system is a lot better though, where each instance of CC reduces the intensity of the next one, but by a tiny amount. Smite's ttk is also much higher, so it's likely you'll be hit by like 9 CCs in a row before dying. Also importantly, Smite's DR system never grants full immunity at any point.
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>get a triple kill on their supports with mag's ult
>rocket's brb is still able to rez their luna
Well I've just learned something new
I already knew that it wouldn't get destroyed if Rocket died mid rez, but I assumed it would get destroyed if they all died at the same time.
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This is why women love him honestly. That he can gonfrom being a big guy teddy bear just adds to the turn on factor.
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>that blatant ass shot
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>Make up your mind
Your confusion comes from taking two different answers for two different situations and expecting them to apply to both. I dont need to make up my mind, her ult as more than one use. You can use it to get big kills if you monitor cooldowns well, or you can use it to force early ults instead. These two different situations will have two different responses.
>You don't win this match up
No, sorry, YOU dont win this matchup. I do, you're a shitter.
>>thats what YOU tried to wave it off
>Again you are delusional
It is what you said. I know you're trying to pretend its what I said because its the disingenuous re-phrasing of what I said that you're trying to make me defend, but it's actually what you said.
>Unibeam as a comparison against Storms aura RANGE
If I meant range, I would have said range. Ironman doesnt use unibeam at max range. His POSITIONING is much closer. About two or so feet above where storm optimaly plays. Which is what I said.
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Does anyone else get an extremely direct invitation for sex? I think that that alone is pretty telling. Peterbros surely won though no question about that.
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>They could do an entire year of nothing but Spider-Man villains and still not leave the Marvel A-list.
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Ah, so monitoring cds doesn't mean wait until they are on cd, and Storms ult not requiring another ult to deal with somehow means it forces ults.
Again it's always the actual shitters spouting nonsense and claiming other people are bad. Case in point you, and your delusion that you think you win the Psylocke match up at all. Which im just going to assume is bait at this point.
>POSITIONING is much ""closer""
>But you are not talking about range
This is your last (you) from me you giga retard.
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Its on the historical record. For example worker unions were mostly broken by the boss spreading some "you dont want to be in a union with a black, do ya? Then youd have to pay dues for his benefit!" And then unions fell apart and the people were exploited. This is just a matter of fact, it is a wedge used to distract.
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>furry healer and dps, now we need furry tank
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Need more cats.
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>another Cat character
no, we need a WERWOLF GIRL!
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>>563749064
You ever been punched in the stomach so hard you gotta walk weird in order to breathe?
Well her womb is actually so desperate for Peter that it interferes with her ability to breathe and she has to walk all funny.
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I genuinely do not understand how you're supposed to play Venom. I get you dive, harass, and swing out. Actually approaching feels impossible without swinging in. If I try to wall climb to initiate a dive in I just get focused and I'm already entering the dive near half HP.
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Venom fucked that
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>>563699378
Everyone thought NetEase was kind of smart and the change only applied to hard CC like Luna's freeze and Peni's net. Turns out it applies to ALL CC including ults. Any type of displacement or slow will trigger the affect.
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>>563749597
Unironically the case
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Could be true too
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Slows don't proc it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mvr9uq5UWg
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>Miller alluded to a Puerto Rican character coming into the roster soon
>Seen retards that think it's Miles Morales or White Fox and not fucking the Hood which the devs have been expressing with the subtlety of a sledge hammer lately with the game's lore
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>13 Tanks
>26 DPS
>12 Supports
Yeah, this game is done. It's dead. Just bury it
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Kill yourself incel
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>>563752845
He's also a prominent character in the current arc of the Marvel Rivals Infinity comic, mentioned in multiple lore entries, and that prop was a heavy tease from the debut trailer of Lower Manhattan.
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>>563751585
Crazy how these people exist. Shameful.
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>Miller
>alluded
It’s almost certainly Hood but that guy is a pussy footing faggot
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See:
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>>563753642
That's fine. In fact his tight lipped behavior practically confirms he's a shoe-in anyway
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I'm not that retard bro.
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>Overwatch players complain their latest hero is underkitted
>Rivals players complain their latest hero is overkitted
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>>563755014
None, they don't work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzaWTrnV4PA
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>the chinks are so cheap and starting to penny pinch the newest emojis are all ai slop
kek, the moneytrain must've slowed
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>>563755093
Anyone seeing these CC changes and still thinking Zhiyong isn't incompetent needs to get off the internet.
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>>563754672
>here’s your pile of trash bro enjoy
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So would it be safe to say they should put the Tenacity patch on ice indefinitely until they can ensure it's functionality? Because it sounds like the trickle down effect of negating CC is having further reaching effects than anticipated...
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>>563755112
Grim. The soul is gone. Then again, there were signs with stuff like Rogue’s fingers being extra long here. >>563701091
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Might be time to finally pick this character up
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If I was Spidey I'd flush MJ down the toilet so fucking fast
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>>563747542
That's how you know retards don't understand the objective of the game: space.
>One tank means one tank has to block all that damage instead of it being more evenly distributed between two tanks one tank makes it harder to make space
>double or triple supports will have a harder time getting their ults quick enough because tanks have the most health and the more supports heal the faster they get their ults
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The fact of the matter is that the problem wasn't strictly that tanks getting CC'd constantly meant we needed a system to negate CCs. The problem is that so many fucking teams have one tank who is a sitting duck target to get CCed to death with nobody else to pick up the slack or soak up some of those stuns themselves
Like nearly everything wrong with this game, it comes back to the fact that it needs role queue.
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>>563758505
SpiderCat fans are in a small renissance right now, meanwhile MJ fans have been in the gutter for genuinely a decade. She pretty recently just shook the albatross around her neck known as Paul but they've still got her plodding around as fucking Venom.
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>>563749647
You dive from walls and high places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNPsrNNveDA
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>>563759412
>The fact of the matter is that the problem wasn't strictly that tanks getting CC'd constantly meant we needed a system to negate CCs.
Correct.
>The problem is that so many fucking teams have one tank who is a sitting duck target to get CCed to death with nobody else to pick up the slack or soak up some of those stuns themselves
Wrong. The bigger underlying issue is that too many heroes have completely unnecessary CC abilities tacked onto their kits
A better fix would've been to straight up remove several instances of CC from the game. Yes this would also the nerf the affected heroes. No they should not gain any other buffs as compensation
There issue solved
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>>563758505
>chooses slut over day 1 bae
yea you will never be hero peter parker
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>>563757786
>old heroes
>tiny minuscule 0.2s buffs
>new hotness
>does twelve different things that already exists
>safe escapes at all times
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>>563751585
>why is she bent like that?
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>>563761740
Then they will be the first ones buying swimsuit skins and yellow thongs for the only female characters they play...
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>>563761740
You’re already causing some fume take it easy please
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Sex with Ami Han
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>>563761593
>this kills the white woman
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>>563763873
only the barefoot ones will get a green card
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>People ask for CC changes because people cannot play brawlers or divers with the amount of CC they receive
>Make CC changes
>It ends up killing Hulk, Rogue, Thing, etc instead
HOW DO YOU FUCK UP THIS HARD?
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>Retards continuously throw games by trying to 1v6 and getting mauled to death over and over
>They go online and complain about ‘muh CC Rivals’
>CC gets nerfed to shit, turns out it’s actually integral to several characters and their playstyles
Behold the power of community feedback
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Kill yourself incel
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>>563698894
>Another Psylocke legendary
Why do they keep doing this when I never see her anymore?
>Hellfire Gala voting event
So another girl as I sure as hell will never expect a guy to win unless it's Jeff.
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>>563765123
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Why didn’t the devs not just give an anti CC passive to the tanks, instead of a global change. Something like stuns have a shorter duration and knockback effects from squishies being straight up ignored. Would be a much cleaner implementation, and would have a less presumably unintended consequence. What type of devs lets shit like this go through, when it makes an simple ult like wolverine’s immediately worthless?
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>>563765658
You dumbfucks who say this always forget this is a team game, not a 1v1. Everyone is throwing out CC all the time. At any point you could go for your combo and have it just not fucking work because an ally Peni shot a web at them earlier or something. Setting up your teammates is legitimately a detriment to them now.
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Thing's entire kit has CC and his ult fails to proc with the charge. You're basically feeding tenacity to enemy divers and can't even stop them like before anymore.
Also Wolverine's ult doesn't proc either if you use it on characters who have some minimal cc.
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>>563765854
>Everyone is throwing out CC all the time
Everyone is throwing out CC all the time because there's no reason not to
Now people are encouraged to save their abilities for when they'll have the most impact so you don't feed the opponents Tenacity
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>>563765969
you sound like a faggot who does nothing but launch projectiles from as far away as possible and hope everyone else does the real work
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>Bucky grounds a flier
>goes for the hook
>ally Penny thinks "Oh nice down, let me web them so you can finish the kill!"
>because of that extra CC, when the hook connects it procs the cleanse
>enemy that should have been an easy kill walks out for free because your TEAMMATE worked as a TEAM to help you
I might actually stop playing this game if this happens to me. What the fuck were they thinking.
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but that’s haram…
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>>563766063
I hope you die due to a white fox not using her tail ability to heal you for fear of building CC immunity on everyone she charms while she does it. If you think this is an acceptable way to play the game you're a fucking retard.
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>>563766063
O yeah, Thing, Mag, and Phoenixes are totally going to stop right clicking now not to micro CC to enemies. Elsas will stop using their E that also gives them bonus HP, and Bucky won't use any abilities besides left click. It's a whole new world.
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I FREAKING LOVE HAREMS
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>>563766934
Dear lord
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>anti CC should be a tank's thing only
>The mini CC purges need to go
>small boops like Rogue's shouldn't count as CC
There I fixed it. Shit is needlessly complicated. A plat diminishing return would be enough, mini boop would still work as it should but longer CC like bucky's hook, luna's freeze would be less annoying
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Send me that black gooey faggot, the changes don't scare me
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Characters severely fucked by CC changes so far:
>Rogue, Spiderkek, Thing
Characters moderately fucked by CC changes so far:
>Hulk, Strange, Angela, Wolverine, Scarlet Witch
Characters mildly fucked by CC changes so far:
>Thor, Cap, Peni, Emma, Mag, Elsa
It's not that bad all things considered.
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>>563772497
Yet you people keep buying into it. I learned my lesson with the Psylocke event even though I got the skin and everything. Happened bought anything from a Gacha event since.
Also I still can't believe Dazzler wasn't added for a Disco season in 6.
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so given that Netease have a retarded refusal to ever back down from a bad idea what do you think will be Netease's solution to this new debacle
will they just remove all the CC from Rogues Kit? will they change how Things charge works?
i do wonder what retarded workaround they will cook up to avoid just undoing the Tenacity stuff
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I hope the rerun for the first summer skins isn't this year, I wanna feel special for a bit longer...
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>>563701254
Everyone is posting clips with rogue juggle into emma choke with the caption "cc rivals", the implication being that chain cc make the game too annoying if its directed at a single person. They designed the patch for all the "cc rivals" complainers.
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>could've gave Mantis an undercover skin in the upcoming minipass where she's a botonist or something like that and have it still be free as a good incentive to buy the pass
>instead just make a shitty black and gold recolor of her default skin that looks wildly out of place
Bravo Netease, masterful work
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I wish it looked like Teto
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Kek
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Black Cat is so fucking overtuned it's retarded
>2 charge dash
>double jump on no cd and wallclimb
>superdash attack that makes you invulerable even on whiff
>can throw out aoe team wallhack item
>remove cc, even when cc'd item
>a portal that travels through all geo item
>grounding and movement ability aoe field item
>5s cd 300 coin steal ranged attack that gives 50 bonus hp
>all items can be spammed on no cooldown so long as you have coins
>ult marks all enemies on the map with wallhack, 60 meter teleport to enemy range with 100dmg followup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH3qYbtjz-Y
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>everyone falling for this
Pic is same user. This harassment never happened, they just want to roleplay online as someone who passes well enough to get harassed. "Teehee these silly boys keep telling me to get in the kitchen! They think I'm a woman hehehe my voice training must be going really well" type shit.
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>>563742715
Her ult lasts 5 seconds and lets you fast travel before activating it. What servers are you in that are actually killing her in her ult? (Except for countering with Pheonix Ult)
>>563741854
Wow, her ult isn't a press q to win button, but its still possible to win if you use your brain! Clearly this is weak character design
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>>563775012
I think they'll just nix the Tenacity system for a season or two and force some schlep to go through the game and meticulously catalog EVERY instance of CC in the game so that Tenacity only builds and procs on HARD CCs.
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Imagine if Wolverine were released today bros.
>passive healing factor at all times, just constantly healing like 7hp per second acting not only as a self-heal but as damage negation
>bleed stacking mechanic dealing lasting damage to enemies
>wall climbs
>leap hitbox that's actually functional
>two dash charges
>rage meter builds and lasts permanently until death
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Apparently, Thing's ultimate wont work if he stuns you with the slam before hand? holy lul bro
I think this is definitive proof that they dont play the game and if they do they play like 3 characters at most.
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>most tank ults and kits gutted by CC change
>Venom basically untouched since his only CC is just the dive on people bounce and Ult chomp but they're incidental
>benefits from Tenacity because he tanks so much damage and CC with his overshield
I mean I'm happy because I like playing Venom but holy cow bros, did they really have to go and do every other tank like that. They even nerfed Tankpool.I'm still mad they won't give me the MVC Venom outfit.
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Venom will be really good now. I can guarantee you that there will be rioting on the sub-reddit by the end of week one when Dive comps completely shit on everyone who was used to stun spamming you down to 100 HP.
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>I think this is definitive proof that they dont play the game and if they do they play like 3 characters at most.
The entire point of this "fix" is so Zhiyong and his team wouldn't have to manually look at and tweak CC for heroes, but as a catch-all solution. They just wanted to do 1 thing and never have to think about it again.
While that is retarded in and of itself, the real problem is is the design for the tenacity system is just stupid.
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No one chooses storm at all and play regular picks like hela and punisher in my server
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I told people punisher was broken like a month ago when he became a crutch pick in every lobby i played in
I even started banning him as much as i can
you unironically canoot play
groot, thor, thing, hulk, venom, strange, rogue, emma, peni against punisher because he will just nuke your shield and hp down so quickly now
and the funny part is that the only viable tank is magneto because he completely shutsdown his ultimate. so this whole game hinges on whether you rolled cracked dps who diff the other punisher or you got a magneto that will always brutally ult a punisher out of their own ult. Ill give it like a couple more months before the average player starts bitching about punisher.
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>>563779086
He will never die now
absolute raid boss
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>you unironically canoot play
groot, thor, thing, hulk, venom, strange, rogue, emma, peni against punisher because he will just nuke your shield and hp down so quickly now
good now they should let dive comps do the same
duelist should punish tanks
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Meanwhile heroes like Scarlet Witch, which has also been trash since launch.
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>>563780128
na thats not even remotely true
ive seen a lot of teams come back from bleak losses by simply playing counters and adjusting to team compositions, its just that this doesn't happen anymore because players especially supports only see the diff and resign themselves to a loss if you dont get the hela going 20+ final hits.
I have literally won games where 1 or 2 players were negative, and the enemy team cracked out kill after kill.
Punisher is one of the few characters in this game who can bruteforce a win because he gets most of his value holding left click on every tank and his ultimate completely counters most of the support roaster if not all of them
He gets immunity to cc when he drops the turret and in his own ult
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It's going to be hell, especially if Black Cat turns out to be another busted dps character. Thing is potentially broken and they already set up the meta to favor dive this season, and there aren't many other good counter options that aren't also fucked to some degree. People will try to push triple duelist comps because everyone will want to play with the new shiny toy also. Patch drops in like 10 hours and we haven't heard anything about them going back on this, so it's unlikely to happen before next week if at all.
It will probably get fixed at some point, but I'm more concerned about the loud majority of supports hijacking the narrative and pushing netease into going back to the previous snoozefest meta.
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easily fix like they did jeff make her missiles primary and the suck a skill that provides over shield
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Are you literally retarded?
the best characters in the game are duelists because they have too much self-sustain, damage, and chain stunning. This is literally why every match devolves into the same 10 characters being played across both teams
I've seen champion psylockes, black panthers, magiks, fantastic players fold straight into playing phoenix, punisher, hela, bucky, namor because they know they're not going to beat a good one unless they play it themselves.
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Is this the new metric for what makes a strong character? Is Cap the best tank in the game because he has so many buttons?
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>>563781421
Are you crying that the role who purpose is to kill
is killing things effectively? Maybe tankfags need another universal nerf
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should you be able to kill things? yeah
should you be able to 1v1 a literal tank who has triple-quadruple your health? no.
I think your team-oriented game should be reliant on people working together.
this game is designed way too hard for rambo players and like i said
its so bad right now that you only see the same dps, tanks, and healers because guess what?
they're all suffocating the rest of the roaster
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>>563781770
Well let's compare new heros to launch heros and see. Cap is a launch heros and he runs out of space on his button like to show them all, and Angela is a newer hero and she uhh... She has one button, two if you count the shield. Man I hate how all the new characters are so complicated!
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>>563782010
>claims to be team oriented game
>why cant muh tank 1v1 a DUELIST?
dude luna adam and jeff can 1v1 most tanks and you saying DUELISTS Shouldn't?
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>>563782374
Yeah lets not pretend that most people here aren't aware of how OP luna is
everyone jokes about it here all the time
jeff and adam? LOL. Dude, if you are losing 1v1s to jeff and adam right now then you are just shit as the fucking game holy crap.
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>>563781636
>Is this the new metric for what makes a strong character? Is Cap the best tank in the game because he has so many buttons?
Strong utility and lots of strong options does make a hero better. Unless you think things like team wallhacks and teleporting through geo and tons of other stuff on normal abilities isn't strong.
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>>yes I want Rivals GOATS Meta I want Tanks to be better DPS yes that's what I want I do declare
Currently DPS are better tanks while tanks in this game are just bad DPS with low damage and big hp pools.
Tanks in this game aren't even tanks.
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>>563782918
Yes it is, it's not an ult. You get money from dealing damage and you have a 5 second cooldown ranged ability which gives you 300 money. The wallhack costs 100.
In terms of costing resources, this is literally nothing.
White Fox and other heroes have a slow resource charge and then spends 33% of max for an ability on a 6s cooldown, that is far more restrictive.
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>>563776721
She's right you know.
Gold plat have large numbers of egotistical kids and manchilds for whatever reason.
My account was deranked cuz i didn't play for awhile. Time to time i met obvious smurfs on other team and they destroyed mine. What did my team do? They spent time of type insults at each others without realizing they got hard smurfed.
There is no point paying attention to these people. They are unredeemable.
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>>563783682
>A lot of HP
Wrong
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>>563783850
>It's not, and I'm getting into this with someone who doesn't get that.
And yet your dumbass can't even say what is and you're so immature and close-minded you will now deflect instead, because you know you're wrong. Go ahead and prove me right.
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>Cap makes space by pulling enemy aggro away from his team, and can stall point if needed. That’s a tank
This is literally what any diver or flanker can do. So Daredevil or Iron Fist are tanks then. You have no fucking clue what a tank is or what they're supposed to do. Are you Zhiyong? Would explain why tanks are so shit and not even tanks in this game.
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>tank = draws aggro
>vanguard = big HP
>dps = chips DMG
>duelist = 1v1
>supp = sustains
>strategist = plans
Is one meant for PvE and the other is meant for PvP? Because that explains the powercreeps, there is no permanent PvE.
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>This is literally what any diver or flanker can do
Off course, even a hitscan like hela can do it. The difference is having a larger health pool means someone like cap can do it for longer and much more effectively
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>vanguard = create spaces
>but any divers can do it
Try play full dps divers comp then ,retard.
The reason you can dive effectively because oppo team is busy shooting your tanks which leave space for you to dive. If they all look for you, good luck getting value
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>Off course, even a hitscan like hela can do it. The difference is having a larger health pool means someone like cap can do it for longer and much more effectively
Except that's wrong. Daredevil is much better at it than Cap and puts on stronger pressure. DD has better sustain, better damage, better cc, damage resist, etc.
Ffs, DD is even better as a tank defensively because of his sustain, deflect, ability to pull enemies away from allies and more.
What makes for a good tank and what tanks are supposed to do
>be very survivable, this is not a larger healthpool but also having things like self heal/sustain
>have strong cc as ways to control the battlefield or protect allies
>have ways to protect allies well, be it with barriers, shields, a huge body to block shots with, etc
>have a threat zone enemies respect, which can be used to push and zone enemies away, roadhog is the easiest to understand example because of his hook
>have good team utility, generally through buffs or similar
Tanks are not just heroes with bigger hp pools.
Cap is nothing but a shitty low damage dive DPS with a bit larger base hp pool, that's it.
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>>563784549
Right thats why everyone tells tank players to switch to mag and strange all the time because there is no tank roles in the game
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>>563786149
Maybe it's time you woke up and realized that Cap is not a tank and the think you do can be done better by multiple dps heroes. Better at diving, better at tanking, despite being DPS.
The tank design in this game is fucking terrible. But that's a surprise to no one with how insanely bad at design their designers are. Look no further than the Tenacity CC system.
The reason why heroes like Mag and Strange are consistently top picks and why everyone always wants them, is because they are the closest this game has to actual tanks.
A Tank like Makoa from Paladins had a big deployable bubble barrier, a hook as cc to pull enemies into their team or away from their allies, a knockback dash to disrupt or knock away enemies. That's infinitely better than Cap at "tanking".
Overwatch has a hero like Sigma, which can place a barrier, absorb ranged fire and turn it into bonus hp and throw a ranged stun. Infinitely better as a tank than Cap.
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>a tank should just be a worse DPS with more Health
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>>563788427
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>>563785684
>DD has better sustain, better damage, better cc, damage resist, etc.
Ffs, DD is even better as a tank defensively because of his sustain, deflect, ability to pull enemies away from allies and more.
DD doesn’t have infinite mobility, a high HP pool with no strengths attached and a shield. DD will have more effective downtime, and is centered around getting picks. His kit could work as a tank conceptually, but his numbers are not good enough for it to work in reality, besides as a niche 1v1 specialist off tank like thor, who dwells in flanks and marks the DPS.
>be very survivable
Some of your survivability was traded for the support high healing output. Is what it is.
>have strong cc as ways to control the battlefield or protect allies
They do
>have ways to protect allies well, be it with barriers, shields, a huge body to block shots with, etc
That is the case
>have a threat zone
They do, although you probably believe it is simply just not a strong enough threat.
>have good team utility, generally through buffs or similar
That already exists in some form though, like damage resists, vulnerability, overshield generation to allies, slows and the like. If you feel like your damage is piss poor, nothing seems to die and seemingly randomly your survivability dips and skyrockets, blame the core support design
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They should just remove ranked mode from the game
End the shitty comp scene too, no one gives a fuck about that
Just accept the game as skin collector like fortnite and focus on side game modes
Its not like it will ever be close to balanced anyway
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>shield tank (strange, magneto)
>dive tank (cap, venom)
>ambush tank (angela)
>frontline brawler tank (rogue, hulk)
>stupid corny piece of shit tank (peni)
theres lots of kinds of tanks, and they each have a different role, which is why its important to not make me the fucking solo tank again for the 100th consecutive match. i wonder what kinda tank the dinosaur will be
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>>563778103
I remember getting called retarded in these threads back in seasons 0-2 for saying we should get heroes like Ant-Man, Wasp, Vision, Nimrod, or Abomination and faggots in this thread would tell me they wouldn't be unique enough in gameplay or that they didn't have enough powers to make a kit out of.
Now we have a literal regular woman who is nothing more than a burglar with the most complicated and ability heavy kit in the game using magic items that she normally never uses and basically apes black panthers style of play.
It's also hilarious that every new season keeps further proving the "This game is tailor made to the Chinese and uses Marvel as nothing more than some shitty brand to draw in non Asian players" idea more and more true. Our heroes this season are another asian woman with like 3 total comic appearances and the sex appeal love interest of Spider-Man wearing skimpy ass outfits.
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>>563781792
>Hulk is a melee character that can only deal damage up close and has a large HP pool
>Bucky is a hitscan character that can deal damage at range and has a standard HP pool
>Clearly Hulk should lose a 1v1 in melee range to the guy who can deal damage at any range
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>>563790889
>This game is tailor made to the Chinese
Its not tho, its just that its easy to make sexy asian women to attract gooners and women (main targets of this game)
The game itself is dead in asia, no one cares about it there because they are very competitive and the game is a joke in that regard
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>I remember getting called retarded in these threads back in seasons 0-2 for saying we should get heroes like Ant-Man, Wasp, Vision, Nimrod, or Abomination and faggots in this thread would tell me they wouldn't be unique enough in gameplay or that they didn't have enough powers to make a kit out of.
niggas in this thread just live to hate on shit. you can ask for practically any hero and you'll get called a faggot. it just happened to a Dazzler fan like 20 posts ago. "her spot got taken by Luna, make peace with it" or some shit.
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>>563791148
yes you are a meatshield...if vanguards were meant to kill, mag and strange wouldn't have limited range on their shots,melee tanks are harassers nothing more
Now get yo fat ass in the front and charge my ult fatty
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>>563791212
Yeah but
>Luna Snow (Literally made for a videogame)
>White Fox (Literal who more than anyone else in this game except Luna)
>Lin Lie instead of Danny (Only briefly holding on to the mantle and has his own identity as swordmaster)
>Evidence suggest Hulk was going to be Amadeus Cho not Banner (beta screenshots prove Amadeus was going to be playable)
>I remember people also saying that Storm was originally Aero
>The insane amount of original Asian themed skins
>Daredevils base outfit was made to look asian
Just because they failed to actually corner a market doesn't mean they desperately tried.
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>>563790889
>I remember getting called retarded in these threads back in seasons 0-2 for saying we should get heroes like Ant-Man, Wasp, Vision, Nimrod, or Abomination and faggots in this thread would tell me they wouldn't be unique enough in gameplay or that they didn't have enough powers to make a kit out of.
And that was valid back then. Those people assumed that the Chinese would have a lick of sense and competent game design and thematic coherency in their brains to not do what they’re doing now. Unfortunately, that’s the polar opposite of the case, and the bad game design choices continue to mount. At this point, even if you do get those characters, you’ll be very lucky if their kit isn’t a lame copy and pasted mish mash of nonsense from other characters kits.
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>>563791784
Hes not wrong though people in this thread shoot down any fucking ideas or wishful thinking even though this game basically blew its own foot off and anything would be better at this point.
Remember when we had 300k players concurrentlly as an average for a few months? Remember when the norm was above 150k daily for months on end?
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>>563790605
>super OP chad choice tank
eat mah ass bitch
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>>563791809
>>Evidence suggest Hulk was going to be Amadeus Cho not Banner (beta screenshots prove Amadeus was going to be playable)
post your evidence because the very early screenshots I have seen very clearly show Bruce Banner by name, and I have never seen Amadeus CHo once
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>>563792106
I could see that as valid for someone like Ant-Man or Abomination but Nimrod and Vision have an insane amount of room to work with ability set wise for Tanks and Wasp had room to work to be a healer considering we already have healers with small hitboxes and she canonically sprouts her wings at 5 feet tall which is still much taller than Jeff or Rocket.
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>>563792038
of course, i just posted that to point out that saying there are only main and off tanks is absurd. angela alone switches between multiple roles in just a few minutes if played well, and i can only imagine how wacky and convoluted some later tanks might be. then again, the chinamen hate all tanks and everyone who plays them so maybe they will stay simple and underpowered
>>563792259
>calls himself a tank "chad"
>hides behind everyone else and chucks bombs from the safety of his teams anus, praying no one can aim at his nests
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>>563791809
>>Evidence suggest Hulk was going to be Amadeus Cho not Banner (beta screenshots prove Amadeus was going to be playable)
>>I remember people also saying that Storm was originally Aero
both of these are completely made up btw
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>>563792620
Ok so apparently you guys are correct and some dude just made fake concept art because apparently people do that these days but apparently Red Hulk might have been an idea once because he shows up as an icon in a character select concept art during a dev stream
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>>563792463
>mad because he died coming out of the spawn door
lmao cri more peni chads stay winning
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>>563793359
We are not getting more reworks. They are making a new character and team ups every month. The only reason we got the Jeff and Thor reworks were because we got Jean who is Hela 2 and Blade who was made since season 1.
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>>563793297
lmao, doing that to people in the first few months of the game was so fun. i played as her for a while but once the rocket team up ability came into play i really started to hate her, very glad that shit is gone
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There's something so disarming about how shitty the ragdolls are in this game. Why don't models fly away with any velocity like they do in TF2? They just sort of go limp and flop to the ground really pathetically, it's very jarring
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>>563792434
I’m not saying that was a valid response to all of those characters but it definitely was to some of them out there. Now it’s clear they don’t have a singular clue what they’re doing on top of adding the extra work load of whatever the fuck else in the coming months so who knows what’s on the table when they’re doing silly shit like this (I still don’t see Wasp working without fundamentally changing what makes her Wasp but that’s neither here or there)
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agh bro
I really hate playing comp now because it full of nothing but parasitic duos who take advantage of their teammates
I've been advocating for a solo queue for so long just to get away from this bullshit. Im pretty certain that if they added solo queue, you would never see another female support again.
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>>563792186
>Hes not wrong
He was at least 50 percent wrong and likely more
But yeah its no secret this game’s creative decisions are ass at this point and I agree even your average player could probably do a better job with some aspect of it
That being said, there’s a lot of stupid fucking ideas that’s been floated here in the past as well, so I can’t necessarily fault anyone else either
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>>563793840
total jeff death
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>only gays like charging headfirst into the fight, taking all the abuse the enemy can dish out while punching the shit out of everyone
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I love to tank, but theyre making it harder with every patch
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>Kill tanks that don't use shields
>Kill Torch
>Don't nerf Gambit ult charge, CnD, or Phoenix
>Add more Psylocke legendaries
So how much longer til Zhiyong gets fired as it's clear this man doesn't play the game?
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>>563795926
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gambit's ult charge is the least of his characters problems
its the fact that it heals too
it shouldnt heal
i swear to god that if it didnt heal it would actually be balanced or WAY easier to deal with but they refuse to make these decisions that will actually fix the fucking game.
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invis? just make it so her shield cant full stop a magneto or namor ult anymore
make it so she cant spam it 20 times in 5 seconds
these are things that would be a huge nerf but not a devastating one to both of those characters, but for some reason they're just fighting every step of the way.
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We need a front line tank to create the new thread.
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>>563797246
sorry im 99% charged
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>>563796714
i know that feel, bro.
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>>563796697
Least obvious larp
I make digital art, and I write, and I've dabbled in gamedev. I don't spend my free time looking at my own work because that's work and I don't do work in my free time. That would make me lose my mind, which you would know if you weren't pretending to have an artistic pursuit right now.
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Fuck you all
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