kit doko!!

>>563711354
Today. I can feel it.

>>563711427
devs not online...

Light here, news in 52 minutes

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>>563713875
Whatta scoop! I'll be waiting patiently outside your house in case you're lying!

new code

TWPB-NCNV-AHXK

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you can see arachne's sprite

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>>563715184
Thanks, anon. They also posted a version of that theatre seating image with the awakener chibis instead of manikins. Looks like Arachne won't have a spider ass like I was hoping she would...

>>563716256
Me in the back with the sick shoulder cloak.

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Fuck yeah, they sent out more freebies for hitting 40k on dicksword.

>>563716256
>>563716426
Man, I still can't decide if I buy the pre-order bundle. I have 3 days to decide and I still can't figure out.
Do we know anything about her realm or kit?

>>563717030
Aequor Warden

>>563717030
You don't have to spend the rolls on her if you don't want to either way. You can just buy the bundle and save it if she doesn't interest you.

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>>563717030
she's ultra, that's all we know for now
and you can buy the preorder later if you don't care about the avatar, the rest of it won't go away

anonpipis, I hit 13k good guy points.
Who do I pick?
>Wanda is e0
>Horla is e0
>Daffodil is e2

>no Horla WoD
>both Wanda and Daffo's are level 1.

>>563717587
i'd get e1 horla since it gives her kit vuln/weak

>>563717587
horla because other two are useless

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nice thread, moribabs

>>563717030
if you're a spender, the preorder bundle is one of the first things you should be getting, it's higher value than the monthly
also it has nothing to do with Arachne, only the avatar is related to her

>>563717587
e1 WHOREla is great.
>>563718948
Nice

>>563716256
>>563716426
>Tulu... the false Aeon.

the H in Horla is silent by the btw

>>563718948
I can smell you, akgfag.

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>>563719814
baggot actually

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>>563719894
Sensei who let you out of the rape jar? You don't have rights here either.

WHERE KIT

>>563722389
I expected it to be today with patch notes tomorrow...

>>563722389
If Vortice's kit is anything to go by, you can expect Arachne's kit dropping in about 40 minutes.

I'm retarded and dont get when tranquil-sea has a 3-turn CD and when not. it seems to change depending on party-composition

>>563725917
Vortice and GMurphy change your realm mechanic to "divine realm aequor" which makes your tentacles scale with hp and puts a cooldown on your white and red stance

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Patch preview

>>563727427
谢谢

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>Beaten to the punch by another anon
>Mine was Chinese for some reason
Ignore the deleted post

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>>563727407
>RM-scaling pursuit shielder

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>>563727407
nya! this lyooks gyood!

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New currency???

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>>563727641
Vortice would've won if she were blue instead of Ultra.

>>563727776
hmm..what?

>>563728021
That thing is new
Right now we only have Pure Cores (standard pulls) and Luminous Cores (limited pulls)

>>563728201
yeah, but why? it looks like some roll currency between standard and limited.

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>>563728315
Guess we'll have to wait for some clarification from the devs. Special pulls that are meant only for the ongoing limited banner and expire after it would my guess

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>>563727898
does anyone besides vortice have the pursuit mechanic?

>>563728618
moochietee

>>563728618
Mouchette

>>563728709
>dont have her
its so over..

>>563728892
c-tier dps btw

>>563727407
>Part 1
I guess they're keeping the Doresain buffs for part 2 of the patch preview haha

>>563727407
>75% amp from the SR alone
>on presumably a warden that can do 5 follow ups per turn
She sounds insane already. Castor might be in danger.

>>563728983
Are you trying to imply that /ourguy/ Flares123 might be wrong in his evaluation? I have you know that he is a man of character and faith. He is very smart and his reasoning is sound for whatever stance he might take in regards to any subject that crosses his and our lives.

>>563715184
thanks bwo
there's also this one in case someone missed it from last thread:

RMUE-RVQY-XKWE

>>563727407
Experienced (not sexually, let's not kid ourselves) femanons, what does this mean in terms of Arachne's potential teammates?

Is 4chins still broken?

>>563729759
I stand corrected. I will never badmouth Flares123 ever again.

>>563730679
my wife

thread is funny today

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Y'GOLONAC

>>563731967
you are funny

>>563730679
why femanons specifically?

>>563730679
Her WoD mostly supports poison or counter teams. LizXu was in need of an ultra warden to be real so its where my mind immediately goes (Liz is in the chapter btw).

She could also be a weird GHelot teammate filling a similar role to Horla but thats surely not her intended purpose.

Also the food event rerun has no SR wod rerunning with it? What a scam.

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cutemona!

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>>563732559
theyre extra fertile today

>>563734324
Femanons dont play this game. W*men have trouble with things that require strategic thinking.

>>563734637
women do play this game but I doubt many of them are posting here

>>563734637
which is why they're such successful gacha-bait, you can buy power to bypass most problems

>>563732840
minor story events don't typically have wods
it does have a great posse for Pickman though

kit doko

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>>563734324
>my most recent period was last week
How did you know?

>>563726219
>>563725917
I'm miffed running a low-level team, because adding Vortice or GMurphy makes my tentacle damage go from 120 to 80 at the start, because my HP is lower than whatever derivative the baseline Aequor tentacles use for damage calculations.

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>>563736432
Fertile woman detected!

>>563736740
the lower tent damage doesn't matter with Vortice because you can clear everything with posse spam
assuming you can generate enough keyflare to do that of course

>>563737124
It matters to me because I can't posse spam, so I have to use tentacles and Exalts for damage.

>>563737213
get dusk and dawn (from sediment exchange), life drain covenant set (from clearing chapter 7), merciful nurturing (Thais wod) and you'll be able to use posse almost every turn

>>563737702
Thank you.
Currently at chapter 4, trying to clear content above my level when it comes to weeklies and event missions.
I'll note down your list to keep in mind for the future. =)

>>563736432
>femanons are real
It cant be!

my boyfriend traded me all his counter strike cases so i could sell them and buy the arachne pre order pack :)

>>563736432
boys have periods?!

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>>563741373
f-fwaggot!

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>no real life morifriends
>no one to discuss the new patch and character with
>no one to play traphase against

>>563745371
but your friends are right here anon

where can I get gnosis besides main story missions?

>>563730679
>>563732679
The other alternative is that she supports Counter. And Wanda specifically who does counter that would be scaled by temp damage amp. Wanda's run was supposed to overlap with Arachne banner but the delay made it so Wanda's ends when Arachne starts. This seems fairly unlikely but its possible!

>>563746558
d-zone, train mode, various events

moriBori

>>563716256
>no spider ass

>>563754549
The designs lately have been pretty tame.

morimangs

>monchette
>awaker
>vortex
is flares retarded?

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Thanks for the questions! Let me address them:

On Ethereal Cores replacing Luminous Cores: Yes, that’s the current plan — starting with the Arachne event, Ethereal Cores will generally replace Luminous Cores in event shops/exchanges. However, some special events will still use Luminous Cores, such as the upcoming School Active event.

As for the Ethereal Cores themselves: they won’t disappear, but they will transform after the version ends. During the version, you can use them as Luminous Cores; any that remain when the version ends will automatically convert into Pure Cores and stay in your inventory. More details are in our follow-up announcement.

On 1 skins and the free period: You’re right that most 1 skins have been given out through events first, and that’s been our general approach. To be transparent: nearly all 1 skins are variant illustrations or minor variations of previously released art — that’s been our expectation for 1 skins from the start.

That said, this won’t necessarily apply to every skin going forward, and there may be special arrangements in certain cases. For Helot and Nautila specifically, the skins are still event rewards — you don’t need to spend any Silver Prime you already have. Earning Silver Prime through the event is simply part of the process.

>>563755953
he says clem is garbage, yes he is

>>563757151
so it's basically an anti-hoarding mechanic for limited pulls, hopefully it means that they give out more of them during events

>>563757151
they need to be careful with stuff like this, a gacha this small only survives on the goodwill of their playerbase

>>563757151
eh whatever, you'll still be able to hoard silver so this barely makes a difference
you were somewhat forced to roll consistently for the monthly sediment anyway so this won't change much

>>563757151
We endfield now

>>563757151
Why didn't you post the whole thing where it says that alongside the change to ethereals, we'll be getting more silver from events to balance things out? So people who roll often will have more rolls than before.

> The new prop Ethereal Core (空幻之芯) works as follows: during the version period, it can be used as a Luminous Core (流明之芯), and after the version ends, it will transform into a Pure Core (无垢之芯). All corresponding rewards that have been changed now provide increased Silver (银芯) rewards compared to before. If you use them up during the version, the total rewards will be higher than before.
>This version brings quite a few changes to the game’s system mechanics and interface layout, and it may take some time to get used to — this is just one of those changes. Combined with the delay caused by insufficient production capacity, all of this has caused inconvenience, and we sincerely apologize.
>To compensate everyone and to express our gratitude for your patient wait, we will be sending 1,000 Silver per day for 10 days after the version launches! We hope everyone continues to enjoy Morimens as always, and we at the B.I.A.V. Studio will keep listening and continue improving the game for you!

>we're getting 10k apologems
nice
i am tempted to roll on kathy's banner before she leaves now..

>>563760272
>So people who roll often will have more rolls than before.
and those who don't?

>>563760272
well, this sounds much better. my first thought was immediatly "oh, did the publisher force them to do this?" and it cannot be helped to enter a negative thought spiral. i deleted my previous post. thank you for posting the whole thing and fuck this >>563757151 nigger.

They had five free rolls on each of the once in a million banners . They should have just done it that way instead of making it a currency, would have gone down easier.

>>563760272
So for people that throw pulls regularly on reruns and stuff they win, and for gigahoarders who only try to OE/E12 certain limiteds they lose

>>563760842
Those who don't will have a couple of months to pick a limited banner and spend their 20 something ethereals we'll be getting per version or those rolls will turn into pure cores. You will still be able to hoard your luminous cores and silver, which we will be getting more of than before.

>introduce absolute axioms
>make it harder to hoard to get +12
Hmmmmmmmmmm

>>563761385
the main way to hoard for +12 is to save your proto horizons

>>563761106
You can't say that when they tell you that you'd get even more silver.

>>563761106
there's no such thing as a giga hoarder because you still have to get 1000+ sediment per month from somewhere or you're super bricked

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>people in the discord are complaining about the play 50 cards daily
It's like the fastest gacha daily task I've ever seen in any gacha ever, wtf?

Also it's pretty based having a dev actively chatting and answering questions.

>>563761763
shouldn't /we/ be in that discord and shaping opinions as well, or do 4chan opinions only works inside this bubble

>>563761549
if it supposedly evens out or gives even more pulls (does it though?) then why do this change at all? thats currently the question im trying to answer.

>>563761904
more like the transfoid hegemony in there would push for your ban if you talk the same way there as we do here

>>563760272
>insufficient production capacity
Didn't this game avoid eos already

>>563762237
i mean that part is pretty simple, they want people to use their pulls instead of HODLing for indefinite time and eventually quitting cause they're not getting gacha dopamine hits
also arguably allows them to give out more event pulls without bricking the overall "economy" but that one can go either way

>>563762281
that doesnt necessarily mean that its a monetary issue.

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>auto battle is staying, but they only want to let it handle the boring parts of the game that don't test the player

>dupe reliance and especially OE/AA is a problem they can't easily undo, but are looking at ways of making it less of a burden and "watching carefully"

>major story writer from 1.0 era is rejoining the team

>new version will have "quite a few" changes to system mechanics and interface layout that may take some getting used to. some of the adjustments "are going to feel like invasive surgery" and they believe they are necessary.

random Light tidbits from dickord

>>563761763
>fastest gacha daily task
How? Legit question. I've been sweeping stages with my stam but that doesn't count for the daily so I do the story

>>563762237
>On the new reward policy: The goal of this change is to make in-game resource circulation more dynamic, while raising the overall reward level for any given version. After careful evaluation, we found this new approach delivers a better experience in terms of fun and timely feedback. We fully understand that this does shift habits for players who prefer to stockpile resources long-term, and we don’t take that lightly.

>>563761763
>>563762584
its also comp dependent, with some of my comps i can complete it easily but others play very few but strong cards so you're less incentivized to play them

>>563762526
Yes, they might have gotten more ambitious and production/workload has increased but they don't want to increase their staff. Result would be delays.

>>563762750
i hope they will rerun more banners then. if hoarders get kind of screwed then at least make them, and newfags like me, give more chances to dupe the good limiteds. but thats just my opinion. more reruns or just brushing off the hoarders might have other negative results.

I wouldn't hoard if they released more characters that I actually liked

>>563763284
there's a ton of reruns within the 3-4 month period tbf

I wouldn't hoard if I didn't need a dozen dupes for every character

I wouldn't hoard if i wasn't a failure f2poor

>>563763284
Fortunately they seem to have a habit of doing that with selected banners. Still old units are weaker so they can't go stupid with powercreep or reruns will be pointless. Or buff them. Justice for Wanda

>>563763690
Light says it's more fun to gamble instead of saving up so maybe you should try that

>>563763906
What is my stance on Light promoting gambling and in general playing gacha if i called the 24 skin banner predatory and pointed out to people that they would never boycott the game over predatorinistic, yeah i said it, mechanics?

>>563762575
>especially OE/AA is a problem they can't easily undo
when it comes to AA they literally don't have to do anything or maybe just add it to standards and leave it at that

>>563761904
I go there when I need advice or something but I would never just chat in a discord like that. I've been here since I was 16 and I'm never leaving, /mori/ is my home.

>>563761904
That place has even more obnoxious shitposting than 4chan

>>563764434
AA on standards seems valid imo, it just makes sense based on current design and the buff would be nice (even if the design is arguably flawed)

>>563764442
>i've been here since I was 16
i hope youre 18 now

>>563764715
I'm 33. I meant I've been on 4chan since I was 16.

>>563764807
lmao old-ass

Wait so these changes are good right, I’m fairly new and still learning terminology

>>563763830
the game is pretty generous to f2p
even while hoarding you'll still want to spend some rolls to at the very least be able to get your proto horizon + timeloop + 5 limited rolls every month

>>563764807
Unc...

>>563764909
To be seen honestly. They sound good but a lot of the changes have to be felt before you can really know.

>>563763690
If the problem is that people aren't engaging with limited banners enough this is probably the crux of the issue. People don't want to spend pulls to chase a character if they go on reddit and read that a character needs E3 or god forbid OE. Increasing silver rewards and making pulls time limited feels like a bandaid that doesn't really address the issue.

>>563764909
Yes, these changes are objectively good for everyone. The giga hoarders some people are trying to pretend exist, don't really exist because other mechanics are already punishing them even more harshly than the ethereal change.

>>563764909
Yes, there is nothing to be cautious about because Light said so in his PR talk

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>>563764807
>been here since 2006
h-hehe..

>people actually roll limited banners
I've been playing since the 1.5 anniversary and I'm saving everything for my one true waifu. I only have standard awakeners and the few part 1 awakeners that spooked me.

morinight bwos
i WILL wake up to arachne kit surely!

>>563765275
how are you able to buy stuff from your sediment exchange?

>>563765298
sleep tight, cutie :3

>>563764909
Changing to a time-limited pull system is predatory no matter how you look at it, but increasing pull currency is a good thing for players, so whether it's a good or bad change overall depends on by how much they're actually increasing rewards to make up for the timing restrictions. If it were any other gacha I'd be extremely cynical about it but I am willing to give mori a chance. The other changes in the update look good though.

>>563765275
anon I want to actually be able to build varied teams, that's part of the fun of this game

>>563765275
Based

>>563765401
kek he really summoned the predatorfaggot

>>563765401
I really don't mind throwing a few multis at every new character, even if I don't necessarily want them. Having a single copy of everyone is nice.

>luminous cores are no more
>we'll be given more silver to compensate
So what's stopping hoarders from saving silver instead of cores?

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>>563762575
>>new version will have "quite a few" changes to system mechanics and interface layout
>interface
hmm, are they improving the homescreen UI? because i was a bit confused when starting out where everything was. forget the small icons on the left, i remember searching like over five minutes where the resource stages were lol

>>563765401
>predatory

It's a gacha game, everything is predatory by definition.

>>563766160
Nothing. The devs wanted to give more rolls while incentivizing players to engage with the gacha more. They just did it in a way that made it seem like something was being taken away from players.

>>563766284
I just hope they change how stages are done. The way story missions are done now really seems like a band aid after the change to arc 2.

Remember to take a screenshot of every menu possible so you can make soul/no soul shitposting images, ladies.

Wow these devs sound really generous, surely these changes are being made so we can have a better experience

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predators tongue my anus

>>563766985
>everyone is evil and scheming behind your back thinking of ways to swindle you at all times

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>>563766985
believe it or not, a bit component to me playing a gacha is the rolling and gambling. i like it. i like the rush. i like the highs and i accept the lows. if they say rolling will be better overall, then i hope its true.

>>563767212
This desu.
I'm schizophrenic btw.

>>563761763
>It's like the fastest gacha daily task I've ever seen in any gacha ever, wtf?
In Limbus your dailies take roughly 11 seconds to do for speedrunners, it involves clicking 7 buttons and doing 5 screen transitions without loading screens.

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>>563761763
yeah I love doing dailies here, it's definitely the fastes-

>>563766160
Because luminous is hoardable and ethereal isn't. So having more luminous is better for hoarding. Each luminous is 200 silver. An ethereal core is only that much within the usable window. Therefore having 100 silver and 1 luminous (=300 silver) is still more permanent resource than 200 silver and 1 ethereal (200 silver and a temp pull), even though the latter gives more pulls in the patch window. The change implies more pulls, but in a non-permanent window. So if you pull each patch it seems like you benefit, but if you don't then those ethereal cores turn into pureslop.

>>563768184
true but we don't know exactly how much extra silver we're getting
also we're really not getting that many luminous cores to begin with, most of our roll currency income is in the form of silver

>>563767212
This but unironically

>>563768657
the funny thing is that if you think everyone is lying to you then you will believe anything.

>>563768445
I'm not freaking out since I look at my silver/luminous and it's not a schizo amount so I clearly pull regularly, and more regular pulls is good for me. I don't play Endfield so idk how much this shit really matters, it seems pretty minimal as you said regarding silver income.

I'm pretty much in wait-and-see mode right now. If the increased amount of silver we get from events and shit is good enough, then the whole thing's a nothingburger. It would just mean I'd have to save silver instead of luminous cores between banners and be more careful about how much silver I spend. Still, this whole thing feels like a change meant to appease investors who don't play the game. It feels unnecessary.

miryam's story is kino, i like her a lot

>>563771741
>It feels unnecessary.
In a recent Q&A devs said they were looking to increase pull income because they're not quite happy with how dupe heavy the game is. Presumably because it might scare new players from trying the game out but this is speculation on my part.
In theory the changes seem good. We'll see how they turn out in practice.

>>563772423
she hurt Caecus so I hate her

Reduced pull currency, or a sharp decrease in free-to-play (F2P) income, is a common indicator that a gacha game is approaching its End of Service (EoS). When a game enters this "maintenance mode," it often signals that the developers are looking to cut costs, stop creating new content, and maximize revenue from remaining players before shutting down.

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>>563730679
Going on a team with Clem to serve my buglust.

>>563773359
you're trying too hard czn bwo

>>563762575
>dupe reliance and especially OE/AA is a problem they can't easily undo, but are looking at ways of making it less of a burden and "watching carefully"
tbf Xu and Bortice are very functional at E0, if they keep designing like this going forward seems good

>system mechanics changes
I am praying theyre not making d-jewels harder to get

throwing school cat in blender if no kit today

>>563717693
>>563717818
>>563719214
Horla it is. I thought about getting Daffo because I will be closer to her OE. What about the WoD? Just get Horla's again?

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>>563772553
sounds good. hope to see arachnes kit when i wake up tomorrow. oyasu/mori/~

Ayo, where is everybody?!

>>563775983
Horla's wheel is basically the "do everything 20% better" wheel. Unless you need a crit damage buildup wheel like Daff's (which is pretty good), then Horla's wheel would be more universally useful.

>>563780392
We made almost 200 posts today, Oji-san are exhausted

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>>563780905
It's not enough after how slow the general has been the past two days.

>>563768867
>then you will believe anything
Anything but the fact that people MIGHT not be lying.

How do I get thr Helot thing? Just buy stuff on PC?

>>563782481
Should be, wait until it's actually out for the specfics though.

Anyone of you have any knowledge of the usual banner re-run rotations?
I am saddened that I missed Vortice as a new player and wonder when Vortice and GMurphy will be making their rounds again.
Any rough estimation will do.

>>563785223
6 months

morinight, morimen

dam bros reddit is NOT happy with those pull changes

>>563785365
Thank you.

>>563785473
that retard is shitting you man
GMurphy should have a rerun very soon, like 1-2 months
vortice might get a rerun in 4-6 months

Discord HATES this new anti-hoarding mechanic.

This only works if they plan to increase the Silver income through new permanent content, to make up for the lost "hoarded" pulls tbdesu

>>563785608
Hey, i'm pretty retarded and hopeful to a fault, having my expectations raised from 6 months to 1-2 months is incredible in my eyes.
Thank you both for informing me in your own ways.

>muh discord
>muh reddit
Why is nobody ever mentioning what WE think?

>>563787250
Don't let leddit or trannycord be our betters at etiquette.
Just like they don't talk about us, we ought not talk about them.
Crossposting is the original sin, don't commit it.

>>563787250
It's like we don't exist

>>563785223
It's very likely she will be reran during half anni(on a rotating banner along with all the other part 2 characters). So probably a patch or two from now. Usually reruns are around 4 months though.

>>563787250
We don't matter because devs read discord and reddit.

>>563786015
I roll every new banner anyway so it's whatever for me. I'd certainly prefer the old way of just getting actual pulls but eh, doesn't actually change a whole lot in practice.

>>563727407
My god that helot skin...

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Incredible
Hope the past payments I did are included to get the skin

mormens

what's the bis life drain mainstats?
keyflare, realm, dmg amp, keyflare, keyflare, realm?

>>563791349
Keyflare > amp > sigil or realm(personal taste). And of course you want every subline to get keyflare 8 ideally.

>>563791849
Is there any way to get more stamps besides dismantling covenants? I don't see them in any shops

>>563792049
Event rewards. Also I forgot but add death res to the 3rd tier as well. DR is also a good option. KF > amp > sigil/realm/DR(up to you).

>>563791349
amp is bad for most teams
keyflare > death resist > realm mastery
most generic life drain set

>>563793627
That's not even remotely true. Amp is only less good for heavy flat boost stacking teams specifically(vortice, tawil, lemurian, mouchette as examples). Any team that has a heavy base damage component loves amp(ghelot, castor/pollux, poison, kath stall). And even in the teams with flat scaling it's still free damage, you can look at any whaled out d-tide team regardless of archetype and you'll see amp in their team attributes. The meme that amp is bad needs to die.

I still don't understand why damage amp is bad. From the formula I found googling it seems functionally the same as crit damage except it doesn't apply to strength.

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>>563791349
Let's look at the life drain sets of the current top 10 players in d-tide.
Keyflare: 14.16 maxed substats average
Realm Mastery: 6.78 maxed substats avg
Dmg Amplification: 4.65 max substats avg
Sigil Yield: 0.39 max substats avg
Death Resistance: 2.69 max substats avg
Keyflare > Realm Mastery > Dmg Amp > Dth Resist > Sigil
The best stat is Keyflare followed by Realm Mastery.

>>563801794
Damage amp is good. It's the stat whales prefer to max on their covenants.

>>563792049
Yes.

a.) You can convert remembrance pens to 20 seals. Do the transcribe when you're out of seals and you'll be prompted to do the conversion. You can also do a bulk conversion by converting pens into papers of any set then convert the papers into TFS. Both options are annoying. Pens are the real payoff for the BP you get so many and they are hard to come by otherwise, but even free BP tier gives you 2000 TFS worth of pens every period.

2.) You can farm convenants and just break them down into papers. I feel like this is sometbing you're actually supposed to do as a player but the maximum storage space for covenants is so small that it's annoying.


The game doesnt communicate this at all btw, I thought I had no way to level covs without waiting for TFS.

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which way western man? using a borrowed mouchette with some jobbers

>>563802321
Ty anon, I didn't think to do that, that's very helpful to see.

>>563801794

It's good if your dps can use it but Layer Y (STR and other flat buffs) makes up the majority of damage sources for most dps.

>>563801794
It doesnt scale damage increases like Atonement By Pain or Mouchette's exalt either. So looking at some of the meta teams:

Vortice - Damage amp only scales starting tentacle damage and the team gets 50 to 100 for free to start with
GMurphy - Same as above, it also scales GMurphy's base damage which is not very high, while getting crit on cov subs will scale tentacle crit rate/crit dmg which is extremely powerful for the team
Mouchette - Scales mouchette's exalt initial hit and not much else
ThaisPickman - Doesnt scale Pickman's massive temp str
XuPoison - Scales poison application, damage amp is THE stat here
Discard - Only scales piddly initial tentacle damage, aurita's tiny base dmg, corposant's base dmg
GHelot - Wont scale any str GHelot gets (but her base dmg values are high so dmg amp isnt bad here)
Kath - Scales her base dmg only but her base values increase as the fight goes on so the value of dmg amp here depends on how you play the tram
CastorPollux - Has unique important effects on Castor's corrosion when on his own covenants, does not scale Pollux's Atonement by pain which is the majority of his damage
Tawil - Tawil stacks str to deal damage has very low base numbers and china plays him in mono chaos which they love realm mastery in


So its value really depends on the team but it's most turbo valuable as a stat in poison, teams like Kath/GHelot can benefit from it if you get it on supports but crit is way better when you can get it.

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>>563802321

Like how Dmg amp is only good for certain dps (mainly ghelot/poison), realm mastery is only good for pure realm teams.

You just have to choose sometimes.

>>563804704
I took a look and the big dtide accounts seem to love RM on monochaos especially Tawil (due to posse spamming and 15 aliemus on posse), they like it on divine blue, like it in Caro but they cant always fit it, dont like it on Ultra in general. Which makes Arachne's RM scaling a little interesting.

>>563804164
>Layer Y (STR and other flat buffs) makes up the majority of damage sources for most dps.
That's not even true. At this point most of our better DPS are first layer scalers. It's mostly dated shit like Tawil or shit units like Doresain and discardmemes that are majorly STR based. We only have like two actual X layer DPS in gMurphy and Mouchette(purposely excluding Vortice because like 70% of her kit doesn't scale at all) and then maybe ghelot or kath who can go either way.

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>follow moriartist
>starts posting about the new currency change and how it makes him want to leave the community and drop the game
why the fuck are artists so mentally ill?

>>563805149

RM ranking by me

Chaos >>>>> Caro >>> Aequor >> Ultra > All mixed realms

>>563805295

Gmurphy/Vortice tentacle scaling and Mouchette strike buffs are all Y layer since it's a flat buff. So are pollux's atonement. See >>563804596

>>563805593
indeed. stop asking questions and being concerned. be a good boy for light

>>563806174
is thinking in black and white all dumb monkeys like you are able to do? how about just waiting to see what exactly those changes will be like? stupid ass nigger.

>>563806345
mnyes, slurp slurp slurp

>>563805875
Read my post again anon, I mentioned mouchette and gmurphy. Most of Vortice's damage is from her triggers which don't scale off anything(to any real degree at least) so I'd put her in her own unique agnostic category where she really doesn't give a fuck about layers. And most of Pollux's damage comes from his base damage buffs. He is absolutely a first layer scaler.

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>>563806426
oh, its the czn retard. here

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my ocd...

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>>563805593
Because art is for the mentally ill.

>>563806482

Anon you can go in game and test yourself. I did it when Pollux was released.

Dmg amp stats and base damage wheels barely do anything for Pollux because Atonement by pain damage is flat (Layer Y) and most of Pollux damage are from that.

>>563806482
most pollux damage is from atonement not base damage

>>563806858
>>563806762
Yeah, no. I'm gonna take the whale team examples over random anons. You are gonna be hard pressed to find a castorpollux team that isn't going amp.

>>563807245
you should check what flares got to say :)

>>563807375
Don't need to. Leaderboards exist. Basically every castorpollux team has significant amp. There are a few people using them separately and in that case you might have an argument, but let's be real. Separating the two isn't the norm.

>>563807245
read castor kit carefully to figure out why a castorpollux team goes amp

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>>563807245
>>563807979

Here is my whale dtide team that didn't even get used this dtide because we can skipped most fights.

Dmg amp is useless on Pollux, it's for Castor.

>>563807993
Irrelevant. Most pollux users will always put him with castor. It's an amp scaling team. You aren't stacking RM or DR or sigil. Be real.
>>563808312
>Dmg amp is useless on Pollux
Retard.

So basically f2p browns that just hoard on multiple accounts only to roll on anniversaries are getting rightfully fucked? Sounds good to me.

> Moving the goalposts and resorting to insults once 'they' realized they were wrong.
Damm, I found a content creator.

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>>563808919
>hoard on multiple accounts
People don't seriously do this, right?

>>563810081
oh, they do. and then sell those accounts as well. koreans speculate that this is a big reason for the changes.

>>563808919
Basically it works like this.
>if you spend literally zero pulls you end up with about 10 less limited pulls a month
>if you do at least couple 5 pulls you end up with very slightly more
Either way you also get bit more standard pulls. Not really a good change but I don't think it's really impactful unless you are super hoarding to the point of never touching rolls(which begs the question why even bother implementing it, unless it's specifically targeted at account resellers).

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Was pulling for Horla on the Realms Research banner and pulled her instead (after two Jenkins and a Winkle)

>>563810218
>>563810342

I actually bought one of those accounts for this game when I started, but I don't think those accounts get any event rewards since they tend to be fresh accounts with only daily rewards.

>The Ethereal Core is a new reward item introduced in V2.5.0. It was designed to function as a Luminous Core throughout the entire V2.5.X cycle, and then convert into a Pure Core after V2.5.X ends.

>The primary reason behind this design was to prevent grey-market studios from exploiting in-game rewards through long-term accumulation, which would ultimately foster unsafe and illegitimate account trading — something that threatens everyone's account security and fairness, and is harmful to the game's long-term health. The secondary reason was that we also wanted to increase in-game rewards to further ease the pull burden for Keepers during normal gameplay — and Ethereal Cores would have allowed us to introduce more rewards into the game. Both of these considerations are sensitive in nature, so please forgive me for not stating them upfront initially.

>>563811919
>However, this adjustment was genuinely flawed. Changing the existing reward structure ended up hurting some Keepers' normal play habits, forcing a reduction in freely disposable resources. Even after my explanations across various communities yesterday, many concerns and discussions continued — and we heard every one of them. As the producer, I feel deep personal responsibility for failing to communicate this change adequately and for the immaturity in its design that negatively affected everyone's experience. I sincerely apologize.
After careful review and discussion, we have decided to correct this mistake and will immediately adjust the current Ethereal Core reward design:

>Ethereal Cores will only be used for newly added rewards, new purchasable content, or special occasions such as commemorative events and special gameplay activities where they may be distributed in large quantities.
All Ethereal Cores in existing in-game rewards and in the regular event rewards shown in the version preview will be reverted back to Luminous Cores, ensuring that Keepers will not lose any freedom over the rewards they were originally entitled to from regular events.

>Thank you all for your specific feedback, suggestions, and detailed analysis — your input helped us commit to making this adjustment. We hope everyone will continue to support B.I.A.V. Studio and Morimens! We will keep listening!

W mans. also seems like the Koreans were right >>563810218

wait why did they reverse it?? /mori/ told me it was great for all of us??

>>563811919
>>563812017
>>Ethereal Cores will only be used for newly added rewards, new purchasable content, or special occasions
so, we do get the ethereal cores, but they will only be able to buy special stuff the other cores cannot buy? luminous ones stay the way they have been and hoarders are happy? so no silver increases, no 10k silver either?

>>563812750
go back to r*ddit nigger

>>563812791
we're still getting 10k silver
the game is staying exactly as-is but we're getting extra pulls in the form of ethereal cores. when he says "used for" he means distributed from, not used as purchase currency.

>>563813135
so. if they really want to battle those botted hoard accounts that are being sold, they need to think about how to not let them get all the free shit they throw around in half and full anniversaries.

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>>563812791
10k silver promise maintained.

>>563813261(me)
like, if you can only roll on anniversary banners with ephereal and silver then i bet the hoardtranny f2poors will still be mad.

>>563813374
They'd be mad about any form of implementation of temporary pull items at this point. If BIAV ends up giving us paid packages with huge amounts of ethereal cores, though, it'll basically be a net positive. I could keep hoarding luminous as normal, splurge a bit on a big package from a big event that gives lots of ethereal, and only dip into luminous reserves if unlucky.

dont care where arachne kit

how do people profit off selling accs anyways? I dont get the gacha tryhards

>>563815040
Its just faster whaling for some, skils acc prog

>>563815040
Some people want to invade leaderboards as quickly as possible without having to invest time in the game, even if being on the leaderboard means basically nothing.

On the other hand, some others might really likes the gameplay in a given gacha, but can't invest much time in the game to get to a decent account level. So they buy a premade account to get a jump-start.

i got to chapter 9 and suddenly they're flashbacking a bunch of cutscenes about gdoll in front of me that i never saw, were these an event story or something? i don't see it unlockable with reality verges anywhere

>>563815894
you didn't miss anything
the game was nearing eos at that point so that part of the story was cut off

>>563815040

You make a bunch of accounts, bot them to get daily rewards and pull on banners. After a long time has passed, you'd end up with bunch of characters.

Back then, I think I spent 30USD or something for an account with ZERO content clear but came with almosy every awakeners and even a few limited wheels.

>complain
>win
shrimple as

>>563816830
We really have to thank CN and KR for that one :)

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this was a wild night..

KIIIIIIIITTTTT WHEEEERRRRREEEEE

>>563818703
patience is a virtue

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>>563818703
I dunno, like 12 hours or something.

>Year 1.5
>Thank you for saving our game from EoS, here's this predatory skin acquisition system, good luck trying to get Murphy's Halloween skin!
>Year 2.5
>Thank you for your continued support, we will never forget that you saved our game from EoS, btw here's this new predatory gacha currency system, good luck getting your EO/AA awakeners! Please believe us we won't make D-Tide harder, we won't release Madness difficulty for the story stages and we won't increase the recommended level for the normal story stages! We would neeever do that, okay? Teehee!

>>563819579
Hmm... I see that discord doesn't like that. Well, I'm not some discord tranny so I will actively support all those decisions!

Why are you replying to yourself? Did the 24 skin really mindbreak you that hard?

Oh no, can't believe that my based thread isn't an echochamber

>talks like a discordtroon
Oh boy.

>>563817143
>be cn gacha gamer
>see something you don't like
>riot and get what you want
>be western gacha gamer
>perpetually shrivel in the cuck chair

>>563820256
That's how you know we are a real thread now. You can't be a real thread without a dedicated schizo or two.

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murphy!

The real schizos are the newfag bootlickers who are defending bad decisions that will kill this game. Morimens managed to escape EoS and grow because it was already the near perfect gacha and it doesn't need to constantly resort to greedy tactics to accelerate its growth, but newfags don't know the game was already good back when the English version was full GPT aside from chapters 1-3. Thankfully the Eastern players will actually support the game by funding it and going against unhealthy decisions.

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>>563822504
did you ask said GPT to summarize your schizo posting itt?

>>563822728
Thanks for outing yourself as a newfag tourist who actually doesn't know the game was initially translated with chatGPT and ch1-3 got their actual first translation thanks to a fan project.

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>>563822964
your post reads like AI, stupid. are you really that 24 banner skin schizo? i have seen you losing those arguments. does it still nag at you?

>>563823220
Not your thread enemy, retard. You're the one who seems to be buttblasted for losing every argument when you attempt to defend bad decisions.
It honestly baffles me that you have the gall to talk back like this when the game used AI translation until less than 6 months ago and you're completely unaware of that.
You can read Light's announcement for when they finally became able to afford a localization team to get everything done in under 4 months instead of being an AIschizo.
https://discord.com/channels/1131791637933199470/1408483619437154364
The game you play right now got to where it is thanks to its actual supporters.

>>563822504
Sorry pal but complaining is sooooo reddit
We love Light here, we should actually go along with his old plan to increase the max amount of character copies to +20 too

I feel like the guy is trying to stirr up the 24 problem again. Maybe the same poster or somebody trying to emulate him.

>>563816572
Speaking of which, I remember there was an interview or something like that which mentioned some of the original story plans. At what point would the GDoll story have happened?

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>>563823472
your post here reads like you summarized your schizo posts with chat gpt >>563822504 so why do you keep trying to imply i didnt know that the game was initially not human translated? just why are you so emotional that you keep misunderstanding things? do you just want to misunderstand so you can pretend to be right? actual schizo.

>>563823474
Don't get me wrong, I like him a lot, he's the only gacha dev who actually communicates directly with the players and he's a huge dork who'll the whole official discord with memes and fanart done by the players. He doesn't spend as much time as he used to in the English channels since he got busier over the years, but you won't find any gacha dev who's as close to its playerbase as him.
It's just funny to me I have to read posts from a retarded newfag calling me a "schizo doomposter" for going against his poor decisions and helping other players convincing him to take a step back. I was taking a break during whatever drama happened with this 24 skin and the only skin drama I've witnessed myself was the discourse over how they handled Murphy's halloween skin.

>>563823768
Kill yourself, dishonest tranny. Your parents are ashamed of the aberration you are.

>>563823791
How weird that the 24 skin nigger kept on spewing xis tranny narrative and repeatedly dropped words like 'predatory' just like this troon here>>563819579

And how interesting that (you)r posts follow suit with the very same energy minutes later. And now you suddenly try to attack new players and building some kind of narrative? Kek

>>563823609
the original plan was to have 3 arcs with ~9 chapters each, but they had to stuff their arc 3 revelations and conclusions into chapters 8-9, so i assume that gdoll was intended to be a very late revelation
originally the 2nd half of arc 1 was supposed be faint/tinct's storyline and then castor/pollux

>>563824019
>there's only one person in the universe who uses the word "predatory", so if anyone else uses it, that means it's the same person
This is how retarded you are, especially when you're trying to push this narrative about me and this anon being the same person when I took a break from this game between Mouchette and Vortice's patches.

Can I get a tl;dr of the current problem?

>>563824230
24 skin schizo is back stirring up shit to bump the thread.

>>563824230
SEA hours.

>>563824230
It's about the ethereal cores, which ppl didnt like and light said they're somewhat walking it back
In this case the schizo isnt even wrong that it was at thr very least a questionable move but he's being an animous retard about it

>>563824230
The guy obsessed with this "24schizo" doesn't want you to know, but Light has announced changes in the way they hand out free limited pulls and currency, replacing the limited cores with time-limited ones that are converted into standard pulls at the end of the time period while promising they'll increase the amount of silver earned through gameplay content to compensate for it.
Also don't you dare use the word predatory, it was invented by his thread enemy and patented by him, so nobody else can use that word.

>>563824230
Bootlickers need time to adapt to the new narrative, now that light walked back on the ethereal cores decision

>literally fuming and posting on cooldown

>>563824340
>you should be nice to trannies who attack you for criticizing the game and insist that you're their thread enemy

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sometimes i have to remind myself that these types of gacha games attract the western twitter crowd. mentally ill.

>the tranny says, while posting an image with a twitter filename
Self-awareness: 0

thread so fast nobody will see that i play with female keeper

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conveniently disregards the "western" part. as always, doing his best to misunderstand and make up enemies.

>the tranny says, while pushing a narrative about anyone criticizing the game being the "24schizo" and posting another image from twitter

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>>563825026
Based

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>>563825026
nya!

>>563825026
female keepers pleasure old men with their bodies. this is 100% canon lore

>>563825236
Male Keepers do it all the same bwo

>Mori is big enough to have dedicated schizo
You have grown....
>>563825236
>old men
*insectoids

>>563825236
No, they belong to Xu

>tranny still thinks it's le one guy
If you didn't like having one thread enemy, perhaps it's not a good idea to make another one...
Turns out /mori/ was actually better when it was a very slow thread in /vmg/ without newfag bootlickers that do it for free and think that somehow this is how they'll support the game.