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reminder that Nami is soft

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reminder that Zoe is sexy

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I'll see you in my dreams

Not enjoying the game not going to lie, but I'm addicted to the funny numbers saying I'm worth something so I keep coming back to it. Until I come out of it bleeding out. I hate my life.

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my season.

second time mayhem stuck at lobby screen omg riot

my botlaner just locked in tristana against Ashe-Yuumi

>This process should not take more than a few minutes
ok but what if it does

>>563748032
ashe yuumi is liderally the worst botlane in the game

>>563748092
Got the same message while trying to begin a match. Maybe something is happening.

is it possible to go to iron these days...

>>563748032
if you pick something to engage you literally can't lose that lane. Get control of the middle bush, start sweeper, and just force hard on your 2 or hold the push for the rest of the lane.

>4 (FOUR) players had connection issues in our game which caused an obvious remake
>>563748092
>>563748418
wtf same
the fuck is happening to the euw server

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youre so quirky

women really be transitioning for attention and then a few years later they detransition for attention
shits crazy

my lolg left me behind

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Project Giraffe

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Soraka my Cute wife!

>>563747212
Extra Cool Fish.

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https://magma.com/d/zHn3sQ0Ogi

Join the Drawpile. Make a Bunny!

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why did all of you guys unfriend me...
seriously I'm relogging for the third time and its still blank apparently even my smurf acc hates me, are servers on fire or smth

>>563749038
More engagement optimizations!

>>563750964
yea euw is cooked

>>563750964
cuz ur always talking shit behind everyone's backs

>>563750964
just relog

>>563750964
yes
we all hate you

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>>563750964
your lolg friends have been raptured to lolg heaven

>Stuck in lobby
>"[SYSTEM] game will start shortly."
>Game exits
>Restart the game
>3 days ban, lost LPs
Nice

>>563751182
did that 3 times its still dead. EUNE also dead. Guess Im just not gonna play league tonight.
>>563751165
I try to talk shit straight to everyone's faces too, I think I am pretty clear on who I dislike and who I like

>>563750964
Don't worry baby girl I would never remove you from my friends list
>>563751218
Dennis moment

EUW and EUNE servers shitting themselves
Guess its time to play a bit on NA

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>>563750964
>why did all of you guys unfriend me...
playing sej and anivia top in vgs

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>>563748183
>>563748917
Well I blind picked (first picked) Karma, so they just picked Tristana afterward. ngl we only won because Yuumi decided to fuck off bot lane and hang on their jungler for most of the game
turned into a fiesta around first drake

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>>563751747
>Don't worry baby girl I would never remove you from my friends list
I'm sorry I don't like you like that...
>>563751872
anivia, fair, I only play her to make first 15 minutes of your game feel miserable
idk how you can complain about seju top doe literal shitpick against 95% of the roster

Any OTPs here?
Who do you main and how long have you mained them?

>>563752195
sej is like poppy in that she has an ability that fucks with gnar E, borinnngg shit.

Which girl is best girl and the one you'd spend your life with?

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remember to get enough sleep

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>>563687115
Thanks for telling me to go first strike on senna btw, the EBT money from first strike+cashback legit turns senna onto a lobby admin.
>>563751975
Always buy moonstone instead of helia, at this point Karma`s entire shtick is being able to win with 1 non-retarded teammate just by shielding him for 2.5k every 5 seconds (just hit your q and w to shorten mantra cd). Actual 80% strat

>>563752618
understandable then, have a nice evening

>>563752513
Shaco (ap only) / since season 2
maybe season 1, but I think I played double bloodboil support nunu or broken af supp fiddlesticks in s1

>>563753082
thanks, same!

>>563752513
does it count as OTP if it's ~50% of my games?

*raises paw*
wheres the blue essence store

>>563753681
over here
just follow me into this dark alley the blue essance store is just araund this corner

>>563754458
*follows you*
erm okay now, where is it?

>>563752513
Riven
Two years
Previously Draven for 4 years and Zoe for a year

Two trillion space fish babies with cosmic nami!

>>563752928
Lamb. She is not only cute but also doesnt cringeyap

>>563754750
Stop

>>563752928
annie

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smol indie cumpany

ppl do be going crazy doe dough tho thoughie

Post profiles

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>>563755360
*meh*hehe...!

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>>563752993
Ye First Strike is extremely bonkers in games it works out in. Getting an extra ~2k Gold through roons and souls is crazy. I really need to try it out with the AD build sometime, but that requires playing AD...

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>decide to play some cozy mayhem
>enemy zoe gets 2 snowball augments
>at level 7 she's doing over 1k damage per snowball on a 20 second cd

>>563755464
honour level 2 clocks u sis

>>563756720
what's that? Lillia?

>>563754864
>>563756720
is this from LoR?

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>>563755740
>but that requires playing AD...
Wait you don't? She literally carries a big-ass gun and you go ehc only? Also astronaut Senna when?

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>>563756887
yes! ive been playing LoR again. its just so heartwarming, the expanded lore of my favorite champs. when i play the card game and rly take in the art and voices of the cards and their interactions it feels almost like this wonderful world isnt abandoned by their creators.

>>563757251
>the expanded lore
more like the retconned KWAB

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>>563757118
I just value the massive health, and utility the Enchanter build brings.
AD is more skill expressive, but Enchanter is just safer to play, and climb with altogether.
Next season I'm looking forward to a hybrid build with Statikk Shiv as ADC that I want to mess around with.

iron 4 0 lp
imagine the low cortisol gaming...

>>563757251
>isnt abandoned by their creators
we just had a ton of motion comics though

is senna still a troll pick in 2k27

>>563758013
its too little stuff.

>>563757996
damn zyra pre hrt

odds league
evens rimworld

can a princess get his dinner refunded :rolling_eyes:

i want money
i'm feeling jewish

>>563759102
yo bro stop biting my swag

>>563757251
>it feels almost like this wonderful world isnt abandoned by their creators.
sometimes you gotta be the change you want to see

What's the point for me in playing to improve if my MMR/LP is bricked (+18/-22)?

>>563755464
SILVER 4 HAHAHAHA

>>563759147
i'm not biting shit

LSJ, how big is your packer? You wearing it right now, buddy? Can I see?

how do i get iron in 2k26 it seems impossibiru rn

>>563759854
apple pay 3 eur on eldorado gg

>>563759916
i dont want to be banned for account boughtening

>>563754916
Why should i stop when anons post off topic things 24/7 and nobody tells them?

>>563760076
we different lil gups

>>563759854
Deranking is pretty easy if you have a iq over 80
But i guess you dont so yeah its impossible for you :/

Worst ranked season ever.

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>Yunara in my match
>Cant focus anymore because i am too busy staring at her
>Lose
Riot?

>>563760397
ban her?

>>563760397
happens to me a lot when playing adc and my support picks something sexy

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>>563761027

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>>563752513
Zoe since she came out, though I do go on LoL hiatus for a year at a time or so multiple times in the
>eight and a half years
since her release

why are morde players such pay piggies

>last thread lasted 2 hours
our highest being got what he wants. he can spend his entire days replying to the only person that matters to him all day long, himself

>>563761402
top lane dadas usually have a job

>>563761718
it lasted 2 days

what the fuck is dada

>>563762456
bpdsluts lingo

>the only game I won today is because our toplaner was a lv40 smurf hitting the inhibitor at min 16
Great game.

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Briar won

I'm a crypto millionaire and I spend 18 hours a day playing this game

I LOVE MY LOLG ^_^
WE PLAYED TODAY

I sell lolg duo slaves for 7 dollars each

>Top, mid and jgl all focusing top side of the map, ganking top and mid
>weak side bot, no problem
>no one on our team even enters bottom river
>enemy team just stack 2 drakes in no time at all
>top and jungle say "report our bot" in all chat

Some people are just braindead. Eventually lost all the drakes and top/jungle blamed us all game. Barely died, kept our turret alive but obviously couldn't contest drake when no one on our team was there

hey faggots, do you think it's better to play Zeri on WASD or point and click? fuck you

>>563765108
yes

>>563765108
not a single champion is better on wasd

>>563765108
no

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>>563765598
what a boring fate.

>>563747485
Go class action on Riot for getting addicted. It worked for that girl who sued Google and Meta.

>>563765746
how's the ai voice?

My lolg jokeflirts with me and I pretend to cringe but I love it

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>>563765976
haven't used it yet! might get a different one. feel pretty damn blessed to have something of this caliber, regardless.

>>563766214
>>563766389
lmao cucks

>>563766214
what would roman reigns main

>>563766125
yeah, you totally sound like a girl! :-)

i got to play with bailey today !!!!!

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I don't have a lolg because I'm probably the only person in the thread playing in BR servers ;-;

>>563767276
not the only reason

>>563767417
What's the other reasons?

I cant do voice chat not because im ashamed of my voice or cant afford mic but because i havent spoken out loud in like 10 years and i kind of half forgot how to.
Like i know how to but its hard and i need to be actively thinking about talking its not natural like typing.
Kind of like a person that was paralyzed for 10 years trying to walk again because his spine got fixed but he forgot how to walk he only knows how to push his wheelchairs wheels even if his legs work now.
You know what i mean?

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I play on WASD exclusively...

>>563767839
no you're just ugly

>>563767839
https://voca.ro/1jWlw7wLjdnh

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>>563768129

LEVEL 1 BOTLANE COINFLIP MELEE SUPPORTS ONLY HIGH TEST BEHAVIOUR

>>563765108
maybe

>>563768282
damn bro comedian career ahead of u

>>563767839
My lolg…

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>>563766712
(>^_^)><(^_^<) I got to play with (You)!!!

>my jungler is first pick
>doesn't hover anything
>I always permaban nocturne unless my jungler wants to play it
>wait for the full clock to run out on bans just in case
>I ban Nocturne
>jungler spergs out in chat

Why are people upset about people banning champs in opposite roles? Why should you just expect me to ban a support because I play support?

>choose autofill
>play as passively as i can
>win cuz teammates good
i can't derank because it's all da teammates

>>563767276
>>563767839
i love both of you ....

It's 2026 and rune pages are still 6.3k BE. For what reason?

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nothing was even said in champ select, so I guess it was something from the game right before. first time seeing this

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i'm gonna make an off-topic blogpost rn
my first and only myanimelist review for some shitty anime and some retarded kid copied the gimmick of my review in a worse way and i've never felt so defiled and raped
and he got more upvotes

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>>563770297
probably because you can still gift other players rune pages with RP so they dont want to mess with the cost lol

>>563760397
I started playing yunara more because I was jealous of the other people playing her

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>>563765598
been unwell and yes, on the cord
but i'm on meds now!
i'm in the s2 waiting room, the zeri changes are looking sexy as fuck

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>stop banning mel because she's dead
>teammate picks mel
>lose
i should've dodged.

>>563767957
cute retard

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did I miss something, or why are people going full attack speed malphite and mordekaiser every single game (and winning hard with it)
>mfw malphite with a singular armour item has 300 armour after his passive shield is broken

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>There's a bug in Brawl causing everyone to disconnect when you press summoner spells or ult
How'd they get this to happen ?

is this actually the most shit and unclear a tft set has been at launch?

>>563772881
That's a mans butt.

finna sick up cuh

i can't carry in silver
it's over

>>563772881
ign?

>>563772881
who this? nice butt

>>563773224
SEE YOU IN HELL#NA1

>>563773276
>>563773305

yooo :joy_cat:

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Your jungler for today's match, sir. Bon apetite

>>563772881
I got a footjob from a grill wearing similar socks. Take responsibility for my arousal anon

>>563772881
please be a man

>>563773559
>briar players off briar

>>563773769
you dont see the bulge?

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Yone!

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Reminder that Taliyah is my wife. All mine.

nigga those nails are so fucking disgusting

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>>563774501
You're sure about that?

Their ass isnt even that big its just the pose
My ass is like twice as big

who let obeast peppa pigs in da thread

silver aint worth it rn. it's all just bronze...

>>563774795
share it?

>>563774795
May we see it?
and also play League of Legends with you?

>>563774795
drop a link then

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Alright I'm gonna do my last two placement games on my 3rd account today. Wish me luck cute anons and even the ugly ones in the thread!
>>563774709
*gulps*

>>563775242
we have cute anons?

this b got jugged asf bro im

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>>563750843
me when yorlde guy does yordles

>>563775738
the yordle clussy is coming along nicely

this bitch ass nigga bragged about having a big dumper and gave no proof bitch ass nigga just jealous and fake

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good night

>>563776053
ahhhahahahahahahhahhah

jugg adventures

yo im screencapping ur public ig i do simswapping too btw btw

>>563774709
PLAP PLAP PLAP!

>went from plat to master to emerald
every game feels like a coinflip

>>563777740
are you a gwen otp by chance?

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Stop thinking about sex.

first timing pyke against Yasuo-Kench, wish me luck

>>563777991
Start thinking about.... vex!

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>>563778431
the two are deeply related

need my dose of liquid shit so i open lolg and you never disappoint

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>jungle commits every resource toplane
>bot starts winning with me as support
>mid lane and jungle perma ganking us
>committing every resource we have to top lane and he's doing nothing at all with it not even splitting
Fucking wonder why we lost
>>563775325
The cute ones are the ones who entertain my cuck fantasies. Simple as.

>>563777362
Plap yourself!

velkoz stream today?

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>in champ select
>suddenly have to take shit
>couldnt make it in time
great

>>563778751
some people just shouldn't be junglers anon

>>563779330
So you have shit in your pants AND you have a 15 minute queue? Go clean up.

>>563777991
PLAP PLAP PLAP!

Logged in to a van: cheater banned message about a perma. I thought the guy was just boosting but I guess he was just cheating lmao.

>be narcisist
>wageslave (pretend to be one)
>see website that advertises itself as website for NEETs and weeabos
>understand that i hate 25 out of 30 posters, neets and anime
>this place was made for me!
>demand everyone to follow my personal rules even though im at the wrong place because im the highest flawless being to ever set eyes on mankind despite being so socially dejected i dont even understand how real humans act and cant tell the difference between anime characters and real humans
>terribly insecure and small cock so my complexes see every behaviour that isnt my own lvl of patheticness as bragging
>perma projecting myself on others
yes, i do love to browse /v/ because theres absolutely nothing else in my life, i get banned everywhere else and here i can banevade :D!
now stop doing what you usually do on the entire website, this is my domain, do whatever i want or i will shit up the thread with my months long bitching

i also hate avatarfags, ritualspammers and blogposters because they shit up the thread, heres my totally not AI spamm post
>champ X main need to kys (ctrl+f 900 results)
>muh teammates suck ://
haha atleast i dont make a blog out of my personal bitching, am i right? everyone cares about my asshurt over my teammates so its not spamm
>person i didnt like made a post, heres my 20 cry posts that have nothing to do with league of legends

LE CHUDDY CHUDDINGTONG LEAGUE??

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>>563780585
i say this and do this

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>>563780585
>this is my domain

>>563771775
what is it about mel that makes her an absolute nightmare in lane but then completely irrelevant outside of it?

>>563780585
>I want a safe space where people won't bitch about a pvp game's mechanics with teammates
That place doesn't exist

overwatch general is the other way around bitch ass nigga

>>563781273
Mobility. After lane everyone has tier 2 boots, 3 second cooldowns, and some way to jump around, run at 1000 movespeed, or go invisible.

*fucks mercy and dva in front of lolg*

>>563778315
Well did you win

>>563781461
wrong general, this is the deadlock general, post victor abs

>>563781361
why do you suddenly bring overwatch while I'm trying to gift cute skins to my owkitten? apparently there's no way to do it, just through bnet coin gifts

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>>563781273
Her litterally undodgable gigantic root thats thinner and slower than Nidalee spear.

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>>563781461
Wrong general but I like where you're headed.

overwatch has nier automata sluts what does league have??

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Nier colab when

>get autofilled adc
my hand is tired of clicking wtf this shit is hard

>>563782087
pick karthus and press q

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>>563781837
We have paying 500$ so the champ can tell us how much bigger lord Fakers penis is than your tiny pecker and how she owes everything to her demon king not you subhuman pay piggy

>>563782087
"hard"
oops wrong word bro, what you were looking for is "tedious" or "boring"

I am thinking about sex.

>>563782087
Pick jinx, use rocket, win

>>563777991
AAAAA SEEEEEX

I'm getting -11 instead of -10 now
is it over

Remember when Leona's R used to make her ranged for 5 seconds?

firebitch

I am thinking about vex.

you guys are legitimately so disgusting

trannyae

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>>563765976
im having so much fun.
https://voca.ro/1newFjnFb47d

>>563784501
sry ill not play into ur humiliation kink

>>563784801
Lolg's hero

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>>563783480
same here for my alt... very curious how this will impact my main how much i get +30 for...

>>563785053
Seraqueen!

time to fap

>No im not going to let u guys play with pirated copies of minecraft on my server go give microsoft ur money or gtfo
Based Taecuck stopping people from stealing from starving small indie devs like Microsoft
Support ur local starving artists like Bill Gates

>>563786019
it's worth it because the people who don't buy minecraft are the exact people you don't want to play with.

ngiga minecraft is 20 bucks are you poor

>>563786191
yes

ou all play disgusting champs
you all have unremarkable mental stack
you dont talk about the game
when you do its never about mechanics bc u have 0 talent its just about irrelevant stupid shit
you are obsessed with sex it dominates your life and yet you have the gall to complain about society
when you are not talking about porn and sex you are talking about race politics but its bc you have a huge complex and impostor syndrome and you know that you are spiritually black, you ride on the cottails of white people and larp as one like a nigger from the hood with nonexistent empathy thinking he is the same as an egyptian pharaoh yes for sure i think you are "white" in spirit and not just a trailer trash billy or school shooter phenotype and the dregs of a dilapidated raped society
disgusting fucking general kys

>>563786447
Dennis make sure to take your meds

SIX SEVEENNNEN

>>563786447
opgg?

i winned 15 games and get bronze victorious skin
what else do

>>563786907
Seraphine is 17#NA1

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Corrupted by the darkness, now you fall into an endless sleep

Same wolf from that folklore
Drinking blood right out of that goat horn
I'm post-mortem, these boys want war
I transport 'em, right to Hell
In a trance when I write the spell
Leave the blood on my hands cause I like the smell
In the death business, you the clientele
Motherfuckers can't win cause I'm trying to fail
Flesh is the fabric that covers my robes
Blood is the matter that built up my throne
Nothing but shadows, I'm waiting alone
Deep in my coffin, I call it my home
Cowering and broken
I'm a victim of my evil deeds
But I don't need your sympathy
I'm comfortable in misery

Yep time for another twitch support game

>>563787368
retarded faggot this isnt the cord return to it

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Last I heard, y'all niggas was havin' sex (Uh) with the same sex (Woo)
I show no love (Yeah) to homo thugs (Nah)
Empty out, reload, and throw more slugs (Boom)
How you gonna explain fuckin' a man?
Even if we squash the beef, I ain't touchin' your hand (Aight?)
I don't fuck with chumps (Yeah)
For those that been to jail, that's the cat with the Kool-Aid on his lips and pumps (Uh)
I don't fuck with niggas that think they broads
Only know how to be one way, that's the dog (Woo)

*misses your streams*

This is now the Minecraft general
Discuss which Minecraft blocks you want to fuck the most

>>563788429
slime

Which League girls would look you straight in the eye with a serious expression, firmly state "You. Me. Bed. Now." then proceed to drain you until you look like that one exhausted japanese guy meme?

>>563788887
Senna

if you started playing league of legends after the patch where you're no longer allowed to buy more than 5 i don't care about your opinions. I don't care about your rank, you're literally a child who has never played prime league of legends you play transgender flight simulator and don't understand the game at all

>you never had to fight the mordekaiser with 3200 HP at level 1 who smacked you with a 1% chance crit immediately upon touching the wave
>you think your opinion matters
>you never got to go brawlers glove 2 mana pots crit runes gangplank
>you think your opinion matters
>you play fucking seraphine
you disgust me

>>563788887
Taliyahcuck's wife

>muh viego enslaves people and he's dada
No mordekaiser used to enslave people, he would make you his bitch. like a tibbers but your carry.
Viego on the other hand, literally takes over the other person, he becomes them.
A flithy transgender promoting sissy faggot.
>Muh viego is literally sasuke he's so sexyyyy
SHUT UP CAT GIRL YOU DUMB BITCH

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How fucked am I?

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>>563788887
Sej ofc

Which League girls would look you straight in the eye with a serious expression, firmly state "You. Me. Bed. Now." then proceed to instantly fold and end up unconscious in bed after you pumped them full of cum and they orgasmed five times before you even got done once?

>>563789870
Briar

>>563789870
ur momma if she was added to league

>>563789870
zoe

>queue times for mayhem are reaching 20 seconds now
>people are being more tryhard than normal
It's fucking over isn't it. My beloved Mayhem.. dying in front of my eyes..

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>>563789870
Jinx

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I love Lissandra!

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Ended my placements 2/3. It's almost always top lane that throws as hard as possible in my matches. Silver II 5lp here I am.
>>563789562
I was very fucked. He couldn't stop himself from typing and raging against the enemy team from minute 1.

>>563792153
>taliyahcuck
>doesn't only play taliyah
fake fan fake cuck

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>>563792376
I was only playing Taliyah but I decided to try and play something with a bit more oomph that isn't nerfed to fuck right now. Turns out that literally didn't make any difference because me playing a different champ won't make my top lane not lobotomized.

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>>563789870
>Loudly demands you come to bed.
>Ends up in the Yamcha defeat pose with a sperm reaching ovum cutaway shot.

>>563792153
what happens if I add you?

mages are so fucking easy dude mana is a meme and you can even deal with tanks if you itemize for it??? literally what is the point of playing adcs without a duo

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>>563792905
Are you gonna carry me like a little baby to gold?

baldheaded ass niggas

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>>563792153
Checked my top laner's OPgg. Yep. That explains it.
>>563793376
Yes you shall but only once I'm gold!

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>>563792938
YEP YOU CAN DEAL WITH EXODIA TANK ITEMS IF YOU ITEMIZE AGAINST IT SURELY JUST BUILD VOIDSTAFF YOU CAN DO IT

i got stomped so hard. wtf my opponent was diamond in last seasons but then he is silver? wtf is this elo boost

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>ardent censer lee sin with a jhin adc

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HE`S BACK
https://youtu.be/ddVLQ13DoSQ

>>563788887
>>563789870
Irelia, Jinx.

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>>563794240
It's a thing, trust

That nigger Viego is like the only jg champ where I feel like I'm able to have actual impact or even able to carry, all other junglers feel so dogshit

>>563794298
>all i did on this account is follow the BBC
bbcspammer jumpscare

>>563794298
We're impregnating that carpet with this one

>>563794769
Hes a 4chan admin apparently(he showed his admin ui) he could be useful to the cause even if he does some bad things sometimes.

i like how he joined and nobody paid any attention to the shit he posted

>>563795028
Fuck that guy

>>563788887
Senna

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>>563794769
>Germans love their bbc, man... they love their bbc

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I got honor 5 today even though I shit talk a lot 70% of my games

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Hmm...

>>563794769
wtf??? i love the cord now

>>563795553
>came into the thread specifically looking for this update
>right as its posted
very based

>>563795028
A new wunderwaffe for the krautcuck empire

nigga got cp on his pc fosho

>>563795479
>yeah i shit talk pretty hard, but they never catch me
>"wow this jungler is weird"- the "shit talk" in question
i hate these plastic brained illiterate born past 2005s like you wouldnt believe

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>>563795328
What does the British Broadcasting Corporation have to do with any of this?

>>563796093
Chill out boomerfag, retarded is my insult of choice

>>563780585
you're the only crying doe XD

>>563796239
this game is old enough to catch a statutory rape charge for fucking you so hard in silver lil nigga

>>563795719
Yes yes

>>563796464
Post your op.gg lil nigga

north memphis

>>563788887
>>563789870
Vel'Koz, Hwei, Viego.

Quit bringing your discuck garbage into the thread nobody cares

>>563796613
https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/Princess%20Elodie-EHC

>>563796961
Nigga is you gay or some shit?!?!?!

>>563797117
yes im a grown ass man and i like the little girl characters because i wish i was them because i was jealous of the attention girls got in high school while my 300 lbs ass was being beat in the boys locker room.

its fine i like them chopped and old

>>563796239
now we know you're a liar because that's zero tolerance language and you get auto muted

>>563792153
YORICK IS OVERTUNED GARBAGE EVER SINCE HIS REWORK. THE CHAMPIONS THAT ONCE HARDCOUNTERED HIM LIKE YASUO IRELIA FIORA CAN JUST OUTRIGHT GET STATCHECKED ESPECIALLY WITH GRASP

>>563797310
That's really hot, keep it up
>>563797345
I just type it like this: you're fucking r333tarded af, snuff urself

>>563797690
>you're fucking r333tarded af, snuff urself
yeah thats still enough to get you chat restricted, kids and liberals today get really assblasted over the word retarded and the bot that gives out the punishment is able to decipher fucked up renditions of the word especially if they are that simple. you are just a larper

>>563797908
Well I do it all the time and I'm still not chat restricted and got honor 5 today