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posting my handsome dad

>>568393357
Gotta blow myself up to prevent the Enclave from pushing the on switch on my purifier and purifying the river

I'm about to restart my TTW playthrough again after 5 hours on this save as James' daughter. Gonna try being the courier again.

I have to get 100 lockpicking and science as fast as possible so I don't miss any loot. So I will
>start 9 int
>get banned from atomic wrangler
>get banned from gomorrah
>get banned from the luxe
>but 10 int implant
>buy .22 pistol from gunrunners
>do GI blues side against NCR
>enter the tops, kill benny, get banned from the tops
>deliver the chip
>kill the fiend bounties
Then I should be like.....lvl 6? Then I can do honest hearts I guess since I should have like 75 lockpick by then and I don't think there are many very hard locks there.

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Do you use the donation boxes to give items to newbies?

>kill cultists challenges
>daily ops enemies are cultists
>doesn't count

Sex with Charon.

Fingers crossed, BoS stuff returns to the Atom Shop this June. Nothing but slop in the shop this month from what I've seen and so is everything in the new scoreboard.

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I've spent I don't know how long re-downloading all of Viva New Vegas, and maybe a half hour tweaking my Stewies, but now I'm finally ready to start the game.

From the sounds of it it seems like the fall update might just be the "next gen update"
I don't even know what that means, but it sure doesn't sound like more content. This year has just been a wash

>>568403053
fallout 4 special edition

>>568403053
Fall update is then ext gen update, and winer is Burning Springs part 2. Next year we will get capital Wasteland part 1 for the big 76th update, and in 2028 we will get Capital Wasteland part 2 for the 10th anniv. We also know they are working on an open world raid boss, and have mentioned wanting to revamp workshops to be part of some faction war/territory system.

>>568409183
Don't forget the Skyline Valley revamp, they said that'll happen at some point. At this rate might not happen until winter 2027 though, ewww

>>568395540
I use them as trash cans for plans I can't sell. Figure someone might need some of it, or sell it. Whatever, it's out of my inventory.

>>568409545
I think that will probably come with burning springs part 2.

Let me change legendary mods on unique weapons in the next gen update or fuck off frankly.

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>>568411461
Nah no way they do their big burning springs update at the same time as overhauling skyline valley.
I woulda thought Skyline Valley would've made a good summer update for this year but I guess not
>>568413407
I feel like I heard somewhere that the devs are gonna try to do something about that.
I've had to make mods sometimes to let me use the cool looking weapons like the drill fist but give it actually usable legendary effects by replacing the gauntlet's model

>>568414028
I think you're expecting too much from a "skyline valley overhauling". All they said was that they were gonna add something to replace caravans as an activity to do in Skyline valley, and make more areas accessible to camps. That isn't some grad overhaul.

>>568414172
And I think you're expecting too much from them. If they're adding a map expansion and more story quests, they definitely aren't being like "we're also adding a couple new events to skyline valley"
My god they're totally just gonna do some kind of grunt hunt thing for Skyline Valley just like the Infestations are for Appalachia and call it a day aren't they... Either that or the new raid boss is going into Skyline Valley

>>568414656
>If they're adding a map expansion and more story quests,
The only thing they said they were adding in regards to this is more stuff to Burning Springs. I don't recall them ever saying more quests for Skyline valley, which already has a complete questline.
>My god they're totally just gonna do some kind of grunt hunt thing for Skyline Valley just like the Infestations are for Appalachia and call it a day aren't they... Either that or the new raid boss is going into Skyline Valley
I mean, the caravan stuff they removed was basically just that. Makes sense they would replace it with something similar.

>>568414829
I meant that if the winter update for this year is adding a map expansion and story quests to Burning Springs, they are not also going to add something to Skyline Valley in the same update. They clearly don't have that kind of manpower based on how the past couple updates have gone

>>568415153
The past couple of updates have gone the way they have because they are tossing most of their manpower at the next gen update. Those sorts of graphical/systems update tend to be some of the most expensive, and manpower intensive, updates a game can do. Which is why a lot of MMOs rarely try them.

Something I never thought about until now but shouldn't the Capital Wasteland be like, SUPER RADIOACTIVE if we were to explore it in 76? It's bad enough 200 years after the war, imagine 28.
I'm pretty sure it's said that the rad storms come from the Capital Wasteland in 76. It'd be nice to have some kind of super destroyed radioactive hellhole in this game

>>568417098
No. most radioactivity in the world died down in a few years after the bombs dropped.

>>568417098
"Realistically" probably yeah. Will it be though? Probably not.
People cried about the rad resistance change recently so I doubt they'd make an actual completely rad fucked area to exist in that What Rads? couldn't completely negate.

>>568417147
Isn't that the exact opposite of the lore Beth has been working with since 3?

>>568417458
No. Even in Fallout 3 most of the Capital Wasteland had no radiation beyond normal background radiation. It was only at places like toxic waste dumps, or direct missile impact craters, that had radiation. This is true in Fallout 4, and 76, as well.

>>568418391
Fallout 4 was 210 years later, and Appalachia didn't get hit
The Capital Wasteland is absolutely going to be this game's Glowing Sea

>>568413407
Lemme change around my Anchorage Ace.
Or just give the 10mm sub a silencer.

>>568417098
Whole thing could just be a rad zone. They do push the ghoul shit pretty hard.

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Lame. If you weren't going to go all the way and draw some silly racist drawing of a Japanese guy, you shouldn't have made an area's lore based around it

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>>568422673
very lame

why did fallout 4 get so much hate for a voiced protagonist and limited dialogue options when mass effect and then cyberpunk did the same thing, but everyone loved those?

>>568429206
fallout 4 is shit

>>568429302
explain why or you're trans

>>568429206
Original Mass Effect got quite a bit of flak for that. For the same reason as Fallout 4 too
You’ve had pretty classic games (Fallout: New Vegas, the old BioWare games), and now you’ve got a new game that ditches dialogue in favour of voiced characters.
Even so, I still don’t think Fallout 4 is as bad as Fallout 3. People are bashing Bethesda for completely ignoring NV, but I think they’ve learnt a few lessons from it. It is still the only Bethesda game where you can make a meaningful choice about which side and faction to join.

>>568429436
cringy voiced protagonist

>>568429513
starfield also has that don't they?

>>568429784
Starfield had neither voiced protagonist nor meaningful factions.
Fallout 4 is weird in this sense, in that despite having a voiced protagonist, it still offers more choices and role-playing than any of their other games featuring a silent protagonist.

>>568422673
man, this is worse then drawning an actually racist caricature, I'm thinking of a worse jap cartoon in my mind's eye then what ever they could come up with.

>>568422673
is this fallout london?

>Hitman has finally released several of his F76 ports to the public
At last.

>>568432230
where?

>>568431989
Yeah, it's got a lot of moments like this and I haven't even got to the actually-fascist faction yet
>>568432230
Got a link? I just keep getting the Hitman's legendary mod when I search his name

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>>568432689
>>568432705
I won’t post any direct links because there have already been instances of them being deleted.

>>567957017
>cs.rin.ru
thx

>>568433163
is this some super secret discord, and if so, how do I get in?

>>568433437
It’s secret but only to keep redditors at bay. This is necessary if you want to post ported content.
Well, I've no idea how to get there now. I migrated from their previous server which was public.

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>>568414028
I cannot wait for the drill fist to be changeable, i have plans for it.
the only fear is the other raid weapons will be nightmarish to balance.
>>568433163
>cryo bed
>torture bed
Odd choices, but hey its nice to see it ported over.

Whats the feasibility of a TTW style mod for fo4 and fo76, once fo76 gets EOS'd

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>>568436604
>Odd choices
These are all just animated objects.
https://youtu.be/dkegeXz0QaI?si=M8hL4ucU_4nu02Is
>>568436958
Fallout Appalachia is currently in active development
The technical differences between the maps in F76 and F4 are significant, so it will be easier to build a map from scratch than simply port it, especially given that F76 has very few unique assets on the map. It’s all just F4 structures and assets.

Best flashlight mod for FO4? Is it still that old ass one from a decade ago?

>>568438757
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/94705

>>568439026
Cheers

>>568437256
I didn't like london so I have low confidence any of these big mod expansions will actually be fun.
a lot of time and effort doesn't mean it will be good, just like AAA games

>>568439553
Fallout Appalachia will just be a sandbox with notes and other crap, no quest lines or anything else.

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>One of the shittiest German guns of WW2
Why did Bethesda choose this one in particular?

>>568429206
Both of them were criticized for it. They also implemented it so much better. They're linear, character-driven experiences where most of your time is spent interacting with other characters, so giving the protagonist a voice and a unique identity is necessary for the narrative and storytelling to flow and function as well as it does. They're games where you spend a huge proportion of your time talking to other characters.

In Fallout 4, you spend 90% of the game whimsically strolling through the ruins of Downtown Boston shooting the same canned enemies, collecting junk and building shanty towns. Why did the protagonist need to spit out a one-liner every time they interact with a filler NPC? The narrative is poorly-written crap, nobody cares about it, and it's made worse by the voiced protagonist, not better. And worse, why did those things need to be in a Fallout game? Remember the scrutiny Dragon Age 2 got because it turned the series into a Mass Effect clone? That's what Fallout 4 tried to do a few years later. That's why the reaction was explosive.

>>568399778
idk wtf is happening but sometimes when i equip the police pistol all of my stewie tweaks get wiped and i have to redo them all

>>568422673
LOL bethesda gem

>>568436958
Would be a hard pass for me. 76's map is big enough, no need to enshittify it further by awkwardly attaching Fallout 4's empty sandbox.
Now if someone was to completely remake the Mojave or Capital Wasteland in FO76? Now we're talking.

>>568392810
I've got spurs, that jingle jangle jingle.

They should make a Fallout MMO. 76 is only 23 players. Kinda lonely in comparison to the big MMOs.

What was the name of the FO4 mod with the UI to spawn items from modfiles?

>>568440801
Nobody fucking knows what the weapon artists were thinking with the shit weapon options.

>>568454963
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/99301

fallout 4 got another update lmao

>>568456260
after watching the avellone interview i realize the only reason bethesda doesnt do the update to maliciously fuck over mods thing with new vegas is that if they broke something they would have absolutely no idea how to fix it because obsidian never gave them the full code and its basically a mutually assured destruction scenario which is kino

Surely bethesda could update the game without breaking all mods in the process?

>>568457001
Well that and the fact that nobody at Bethesda knows how to use Gamebryo anymore.

>>568457652
I don't claim to know many of the technicalities, but isn't the main thing updates break the script extender? The script extender hooks into the executable, and every update recompiles the game and replaces the executable, because even the most minor change shifts the memory addresses, which breaks the script extender as it injects code at runtime.
Given that, it's probably inevitable.

>>568440801
Maybe someone at Bethesda is a WW2 history buff.

>>568448212
as I go riding merrily aloooong

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Hey /fog/ I'm making a gunslinger in ttw, I need a certain hat, but I'm not sure it exists. If I remember rightly, it was called an old-world hat. Any idea where I can find one? I haven't played Fallout since the old Games for Windows version with no mods.
>pic related was what I remember the hat looking like

>>568465169
and they sing, oh ain't you glad you're single?

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>>568465548
that's probably the old cowboy hat. you can buy one at mick & ralph's or the crimson caravan company.

>>568461375
I very much doubt it, because that whole series of guns is shit
Its name literally translates as "militia rifle" and the Germans used this designation for absolutely all the rifles they produced by the end of the war. These are the crappiest, simplest, most trashy rifles they could possibly produce, and they were forced to make them because they could no longer produce proper weapons like StG 44, MP40, or even the Gewehr rifles.
The irony of it being in Fallout is that it’s both too shitty for the wasteland and too complicated to make. It’s the sort of thing that should be a one-off display piece in a museum.

>>568467375
Hmmm, I think that is it, but I could've sworn they had them in Fallout 3, if not fucking false memories.

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>>568468207
there's this one from 3. it's on a table in Eulogy's Pad in Paradise Falls.

>>568471021
Nah, I honestly remember basic bitch raiders having them

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this new creation looks really cool.

>>568473542
the only other cowboy hat I can think of in 3 was the sheriff's hat that Lucas and some of the Regulators wear, but it doesn't have the feather in the cap like those other 2.

>own fallout 76 since wastelanders in 2020
>only get into fallout 76 now in 2026
>the game is fucking dead
Such poor as shit timing. And ffs, if we thought it was bad now it's only going to get worse with this new season looking the way it does and this new rumored "next gen update". I even whaled out and bought yearly 1st a couple months ago.

https://creations.bethesda.net/en/fallout4/details/a598fdbd-3756-435c-8213-81d8d8136e1e/Cambridge_Polymer_Crafting

Wow, this looks like shit.

>>568474359
Tesla parts look good but everything else looks like an afterthought.
>>568475131
VCs have absolutely no quality control whatsoever. Fallout 4 got lucky with the people making some good stuff. Skyrim VC are completely fucked, in all the time they've been available there've probably only been three or four decent ones.

>>568476158
>Tesla parts look good but everything else looks like an afterthought.

a lot of it looks nif-bashed but I like that. looking forward to trying it out once it gets re-uploaded.

>>568475131
Literally

Famished mod for FO4 is neat but I hate how they run from conflict and everyone in the tri-state area chases after them.

>>568475097
Next season is kinda boring. Just do the dailies and hop off. Get whatever ya want off the board and be done for a while. Or just dick around with it when you're bored of other stuff.

You don't have to grind everything out like a FOMO-driven tard you know.

As far as giving them money goes, that's on you.

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God Bless America
God Bless The Enclave

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>Using Viva New Vegas
>No matter what I try I can't get the game to launch Windowed
>Launcher doesn't work
>Fallout.ini and Falloutprefs.ini doesn't work
>Nothing in the Faq
>Nothing on Jewgle because apparently I'm the only person on Earth who wants to play New Vegas in a window
>It's in Falloutcustom.ini

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>>568436958
Honestly there's no way they just leave all that money on the table and just close 76 for good.
They'll definitely make an offline version and just keep the Atomic Shop running for idiots who don't know how to pirate
>>568437256
His stuff looks cool but like I'm not interested in waiting 20 years for him to finish

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>>568486956
pm'd you the fix

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today, i will remind them
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjyeCdd-dl8&t=

Holy fuck for some reason this consoletard pay piggy update snuck through and updated my game, and even after downgrading and all of that on my own it works, but it completely fucked my saves. I was having a pretty comfy playthrough, was just about to meet Shaun and then fuck off to Nuka World.

>>568491187
This is why I own Bethesda games on GOG.

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How valid is this? To me, it feels like rampant coping. What magically made the west coast population less likely to be raider turbo-slut sadists?

Seems like they're just moving the goalpost. "Okay, so why did the East Coast not develop any similar organizations? What was the different context?"

>>568491402
My understanding is different approaches to worldbuilding between Bethesda and the devs that came before. While it is possible to try and make sense of it, all it will be is ad hoc. It's possible to justify anything humans do, because personality is intangible.

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I really fucking love the NCR and their aesthetics, but I just can't let them take over the Mojave in good faith when Mr. House is right there.
Same thing with the Legion in Skyrim, I love their look, but they're too pants on head retarded.

>>568474359
>low effort nifbashes
hard pass

>>568491402
The East Coast does seem to be developing pretty rapidly since 3 it's just Bethesda made the decision to set 3 200 years after the bombs and so with every game it's necessary to come up with a reason why very little successful development has happened in those 200 years.
imo 4 does a better job of this than 3 since being the victim of subterranean illuminati that deliberately sabotage any development is a better explanation than DC being super giga mega nuked.

>>568493405
I like the way helping Mr. House means (mostly) helping the NCR when their quests show up.
I also like the way stock trading mods synergise with this to mean you can buy NCR bonds for dirt cheap throughout the game and then dump them all at the peak of their value before Hoover Dam when House kicks them out. Feels like a scam House would greatly approve of.

>>568491402
Remember that line in Broken Steel when Lyons says that we won't be referring to it as the "wasteland" any more? That was Bethesda's hint that the Capital Wasteland (and the East Coast in general) was going to be far more developed in Fallout 4.
Flash forward to 2015, Brotherhood guards tell us that if we think Boston is bad, we should visit the Capital Wasteland. Lyons is dead. Maxson took over. An evil enclave of moustache-twirling baddies is terrorizing the surface for some inane reason:

Every single problem with East Coast lore can be traced back to 4.

>>568497326
> An evil enclave of moustache-twirling baddies is terrorizing the surface for some inane reason:
Ah yes, unlike Fallout 3.

>>568498168
>b-but whatabout fwawout fwee!!
You can’t blame the Enclave for fucking up the wasteland when they just relocated five minutes ago. However, you can easily blame a group of mad scientists who fuck shit up for the lulz.

>>568495325
>imo 4 does a better job of this than 3 since being the victim of subterranean illuminati that deliberately sabotage any development
But why do they do that? What do they get out of it?
Cookies?

Fuck, my frames are shitting the bed in 4. I was getting about 40-50ish but now i'm hitting 10-20. I even changed to a less demanding ENB.

>>568498793
So... 200 years later, why is DC a shithole?

>>568498979
Because an organised society might be able to resist them.
Now, explain what the BoS v Enclave conflict is even about.

>>568499098
Super mutants, ghouls, aftermath of the bombs, same as 4. Gen 3 synths were only created in 2227. There's a 150 year time gap between where the Institute could reasonably replace people and the aftermath of the Great War. That means for 150 years, the Institute were terrorizing the surface with other methods like deploying a gorillion super mutants on every possible trade route.

>>568499518
>Because an organised society might be able to resist them.
Why would anyone think to resist a threat that they shouldn't even know about? Isn't secrecy the whole point of Gen 3 synths?

>>568499820
>That means for 150 years, the Institute were terrorizing the surface with other methods like deploying a gorillion super mutants on every possible trade route.
You just said super mutants etc. is an acceptable reason for 200 years of non-development. Did you change your mind?

>>568500019
Doesn't matter, the objective is just ensuring a constant state of being able to do what ever they want to whoever they want.

Now, answer the question. What is the BoS v Enclave conflict even about?

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SIRRRR it's the steam charts only!!!!!
Fallout 76 is doing fine! Everyone loves it now, it's been engoodened!!! They're gonna keep this game running forever because it makes so much damn money on everywhere except steam!

>>568500097
>Did you change your mind?
Explain.
There's a massive difference between an organized military of superhumans destabilizing the wasteland, and a group of saturday morning cartoon villains putting them there for no real reason at all.

>>568500346
>the objective is just ensuring a constant state of being able to do what ever they want to whoever they want.
Wouldn't they be able to get away with a lot more if they didn't allow anyone else to know about them?
Because the whole catalyst for their destruction in 4 is everyone knowing about them and what they do, despite supposedly being a clandestine underground division with teleportation and androids that look exactly like humans.

>>568500915
If you start doing things people will eventually find out about it. That much is inevitable.

Now, answer the question, what is the Enclave v BoS conflict even about? I have a feeling you dodge this because you know how retarded it is

>>568500536
What organised military of super mutants?
DC had no master, no Unity, no cathedral, just random escaped mutants from Vault 87 that even in lore are supposed to be retarded compared to their Mariposa counterparts

>>568501152
>If you start doing things people will eventually find out about it. That much is inevitable.
Hard to find out what happens in a bunker deep underground that most people don't even know how to locate. Apparently the Brotherhood of Steel knew about them despite being 400 miles away, enough to relocate their entire fighting force, leaders, and council across states.

>>568501629
But they don't know what happens in the bunker, all anyone sees is a bit of what the Institute does on the surface.
>Apparently the Brotherhood of Steel knew about them despite being 400 miles away, enough to relocate their entire fighting force, leaders, and council across states.
Yeah because people know about Synths now and the BoS don't like it.

Now, answer the question.

>>568501339
>What organised military of super mutants?
We know for a fact they're organized because not only can you find imprisoned wastelanders trapped in Vault 87 cells, but you can also hear them talking about dipping more wastelanders in FEV. The reason they're so unorganized and broken in Fallout 3 is because they're fractured after fighting a war with the Brotherhood, and they're running out of FEV, so most wastelanders they capture end up becoming their food rather than being dipped in goo.

>>568502043
Is this organisation ever explained in the game or did you just headcanon it to wallpaper over Fallout 3's weak lore?

>>568501952
>But they don't know what happens in the bunker, all anyone sees is a bit of what the Institute does on the surface.
They know that they replace people with synths because you can hear them mention it. They know about the synths sent to kill people because of the Broken Mask incident and the disbandment of the CPG. In fact, it's all Piper's newspapers tend to talk about. That along with the mayor being a synth, which also btw, he is, so she was right on the money.
Imagine a covert clan of the nation's top scientists being this blatant and obvious, despite having insanely advanced technology like fucking teleportation at their disposal.
What gigantic retards. LMFAO.

>>568502209
Maybe you should stop talking about things you don't know about.

>>568486956
I started playing in Windowed mode and now I'm getting random crashes.

>>568502415
You just listed a selection of things that entirely happen on the surface, not in the bunker. Can you read my son?

Now, given you refuse to answer the question, I will. The BoS v Enclave conflict is about who will press the on switch for the machine that will purify the Potomac river. Liam Neeson kills himself and destroys the machine to ensure the Enclave do not press this button and purify the Potomac. 10/10 lore.

>>568502690
Ah yeah like how Fallout 3 had an organised super mutant army like the unity.
No evidence in the game tho, just trust me, bro.

>>568502896
>You just listed a selection of things that entirely happen on the surface, not in the bunker.
Apart from synthetic gorillas, what exactly are you getting at here? The average Commonwealth farmer doesn't know what brand of toilet paper Father wipes his ass with?

Everything that is detrimental to the Institute's immediate plans that we see in the underground bunker is known about on the surface. From their coursers and their structure being talked about in the Railroad, to their terminals being able to be hacked by the Brotherhood allowing them to see all the names of their division leaders and synths.
>The BoS v Enclave conflict is about who will press the on switch for the machine that will purify the Potomac river. Liam Neeson kills himself and destroys the machine to ensure the Enclave do not press this button and purify the Potomac. 10/10 lore.
Can you find me one instance of Autumn telling James he will activate the purifier?
Because all he says is that he's going to assume control of it.
James knows about the Enclave and therefore destroys it because he doesn't want his life's work used for a genocide.

>>568503029
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/AudioTemplateSuperMutant.txt
>This is boring. We should be collecting more humans. We need more of us! The bucketheads have killed too many...
>Have you found green stuff? I haven't found any. Ever. Maybe it's a lie. Maybe we're wasting our time. We could be out killing...
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Sid_(Fallout_3)
>Sid and a group of his friends were captured by super mutants in Vault 87. His friends were mutated into extremely deformed creatures, and he was told that he would soon meet the same fate. Upon the Lone Wanderer's arrival in Vault 87, Sid, having lost almost all rational thought as a result of his situation, is openly hostile towards them and all others.[Non-game 1]

There you go. Two sources proving that they're looking for FEV and kidnapping wastelanders to dip.

>>568503748
>Apart from synthetic gorillas, what exactly are you getting at here? The average Commonwealth farmer doesn't know what brand of toilet paper Father wipes his ass with?
For one thing no one outside the Institute has any idea that the super mutants are their fault, the true scope of just how many secret synths there really are, how the synths are even made or what they are really for. For the people on the surface all they know is this is where the synths come from and synths kill people.
>From their coursers and their structure being talked about in the Railroad, to their terminals being able to be hacked by the Brotherhood allowing them to see all the names of their division leaders and synths.
Yes, technologically sophisticated organisations with inside links know more and find out more during the story. Obviously.
>Because all he says is that he's going to assume control of it
And do what with it? It's a water purifier that mass purifies an entire river, the only remaining steps are push the button or not push the button.
>James knows about the Enclave and therefore destroys it because he doesn't want his life's work used for a genocide.
Ah yes the genocidal danger of a clean Potomac.

>>568504202
I like how you don't even have the confidence to say "two sources proving that they're an organised military". Because you know kidnapping people doesn't prove they're an organised military, you're just hoping to shift the goalposts.

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Before orange man turned it into a swimming pool, it looked kinda nice even after nukes

>>568504694
They literally have ranks. You see this through gameplay. They have different names. Where are the goalposts being shifted? Please tell me.

>>568505479
So who is their leader? Where do they get promotions from?

>>568504357
>For one thing no one outside the Institute has any idea that the super mutants are their fault
Except the Brotherhood. One of Quinlan's reports states that an analysis of Commonwealth super mutants shows different DNA to the ones fought in DC.
>how the synths are even made or what they are really for
What are they doing on the surface other than replacing surface dwellers and spying for the Institute?
>Yes, technologically sophisticated organisations with inside links know more and find out more during the story.
They know the Institute runs on RobCo tech before you even hack into their network... because they made a hack to hack into their operating systems?
I get that every terminal in Fallout uses the same operating system and is made by RobCo, but you would think the Institute would patch 200 year old holes in their security.
>And do what with it?
Infect it with FEV? Like Eden does in the game?
Have you played it
>Ah yes the genocidal danger of a clean Potomac.
>The sealed vial contains a modified strain of the Forced Evolutionary Virus developed by Enclave president John Henry Eden around 2277, based on the earlier FEV Curling-13 strain used by the Chemical Corps in 2241. Eden intended for it to be placed into the water purification system making up the core of Project Purity beneath the Jefferson Memorial, acting on his altered version of pre-War classified plans made by the former US government that allegedly never came to fruition.[1]
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Modified_FEV

>>568505579
>So who is their leader?
Who is leading the super mutants in the Commonwealth? An Institute field commander?

>>568505932
>Except the Brotherhood. One of Quinlan's reports states that an analysis of Commonwealth super mutants shows different DNA to the ones fought in DC.
1. That's a clue, they don't find out the full extent of it until later in the story
2. The BoS first showed up like last Thursday
>What are they doing on the surface other than replacing surface dwellers and spying for the Institute?
Spying for the institute is an invaluable function, also replacing political leaders with institute shills.
>Infect it with FEV? Like Eden does in the game?
You mean the exact plot point Eden tells us Autumn (the one who is actually taking over the purifier) won't do? So, Liam Neeson kills himself, to stop Autumn pushing the on button, and your quest with the BoS is to make sure you push the on button instead - or alternatively actually do Eden's plan that Autumn won't.
Based on FO3, the only person that can actually FEVify the Potomac, is the Lone Wanderer.

>>568506026
I never said the Institute mutants had an organised army like the Unity, but you're insisting this existed in 3.

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>The Enclave seems to have developed advanced plasma-based weaponry.
interesting line considering plasma weapons are pre-war

>>568506657
>1. That's a clue, they don't find out the full extent of it until later in the story
>2. The BoS first showed up like last Thursday
In within that time they've potentially managed to get a plant inside the Institute, hack their network, and recruit one of their former scientists. As a secretive organization that has the power to teleport military units anywhere within range, and instead relies on covert gen 3s to maintain cover, what a complete blunder.
>Spying for the institute is an invaluable function, also replacing political leaders with institute shills.
So the latter then, right?
We've already established that everyone knows about this. Piper's newspapers proudly declare that the mayor is a synth. It's why she's been kicked outside of DC when you first arrive.
>You mean the exact plot point Eden tells us Autumn (the one who is actually taking over the purifier) won't do?
Did Autumn tell James that he wasn't going to do something like that? Because nobody even knew that Eden was an AI puppet leader before you do at Raven Rock AFTER James kill himself.
All of Eden's lines on Enclave radio proclaim him to be the leader of the Enclave. It's not like James knew about the power struggles in the Enclave.

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>>568507348
The Enclave also made power armor post-war, which is a pre-war invention.
Play some fucking Fallout games, lorelet homo.

>>568507583
Yeah and the Plasma Weapons in Fallout 3 aren't advanced OR developed by the Enclave, so what's your point, retard?

what are you honest opinions on the green tint for fallout 3 and the yellow tint for new vegas?

>>568507410
>In within that time they've potentially managed to get a plant inside the Institute, hack their network, and recruit one of their former scientists. As a secretive organization that has the power to teleport military units anywhere within range, and instead relies on covert gen 3s to maintain cover, what a complete blunder.
Yes.
>We've already established that everyone knows about this. Piper's newspapers proudly declare that the mayor is a synth. It's why she's been kicked outside of DC when you first arrive.
Except Piper is widely believed to be a conspiracy theorist (and desu she is as she has no actual evidence of any of this), it just so happens she's vindicated by the events of the story and proven to have been right all along.
>Did Autumn tell James that he wasn't going to do something like that? Because nobody even knew that Eden was an AI puppet leader before you do at Raven Rock AFTER James kill himself.
How does James know about Eden's secret FEV plot?
Did James play Fallout 2?

>>568507834
>Yeah and the Plasma Weapons in Fallout 3 aren't advanced OR developed by the Enclave
We know that the Enclave develops their own plasma weapons because you can find plasma weapons in 76 conveniently named ENCLAVE plasma pistol, ENCLAVE plasma rifle, etc.
Why wouldn't they use these same rifles 200 years later in Fallout 3?

>>568508072
clearly bethesda should have taken fallout 76 into account when writing that line for the generic bos scribes in 3.

>>568508029
there's parts of fallout 3 where the green filter (like the north part of map around oasis) is turned off and it unironically looks worse.

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>vault 106 survivor

>>568508045
>Except Piper is widely believed to be a conspiracy theorist (and desu she is as she has no actual evidence of any of this), it just so happens she's vindicated by the events of the story and proven to have been right all along.
If Piper's accusations aren't harmful to MacDonaugh's reputation, why would he:
a) Make a public statement about it to a crowd of people in the middle of the city.
b) Kick her out.
Also the last part is extra funny because the security lets her back in regardless in front of his very eyes. Of course, nothing happens. Sullivan doesn't lose his job or anything despite blatantly disobeying orders.
>How does James know about Eden's secret FEV plot?
The Enclave isn't unknown in Fallout 3, especially to someone as inquisitive as James.
>Eden spews propaganda on Enclave radio
>Vault 101 overseer's terminal states that the Enclave tried breaking in
>The Brotherhood are in the area, and they have a history with them. Given that James spent a lot of time around the Brotherhood in his youth as Project Purity was being funded and protected by them, it makes sense he would have learned things about them from the Citadel's terminals.

>>568508238
We know from Fallout 2 that the Enclave manufactures their own equipment.

>>568508029
It's part of the identity and people who remove it don't know how to have fun. I like how parts of 3 get a gray tint as well
Also, while 4 doesn't have a tint, I feel like the relatively poor, flat lighting system makes everything seem just a little bit uncanny which I do actually enjoy

>>568509318
which weapons do you suppose that line is referring to?

>>568507348
She looks cute.

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>I check the Crashlog.
>I put it through ChatGPT
>It spits out that it's "WeaponDamageStagesFix" in the Stewie Tweaks ini.
>It says it in the log.
>I check the ini...it's not there.
>Check the Stewie mod page
>Someone has the same crash
>Dev does nothing
It's not there.
It's says it's causing the crash, but this line of text does not fucking exist in the ini!

>>568509217
>If Piper's accusations aren't harmful to MacDonaugh's reputation
Who said they aren't? You have a major problem with literary hallucinations.
If I say Joe Bloggs is a pedo, and 90% of people think I am talking nonsense, the fact 10% believe it is still damaging to his reputation.
>The Enclave isn't unknown in Fallout 3, especially to someone as inquisitive as James.
Okay and where from any of that did he learn of Eden's top secret FEV plot that apparently only you and Autumn know about

>>568511623
The only other possibility is that it's Agua Fria doing it, since that's what's modifying the pistol causing the crash.
BUT, apparently it's a recurring issue, so recurring that someone had to make a mod for it.
Which apparently became obsolete with Stewie 9.90.
So either that's a lie, or JSawyer has once again fucked up my game.

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>>568492896
I mean, "they made it that way" is of course the realistic answer, but it's not as fun as trying to twist narrative into knots to create interesting worldbuilding.

>>568495325
Yeah. The Synths are at least a reason. Not the tightest narrative reason, but something. The "they got bombed extra hard" definitely feels paper thin.

>>568497326
Yeah. 4 really did shit the bed in a lot of ways.

>>568511623
Be careful of using the chatbot to troubleshoot. I did the same with Claude and wasn't able to solve it. However, I WAS able to solve my problem by learning how to use the Load Order system in Vortex. Don't know what you're using, but be aware that Stewie's engine fixes can throw a flag when something else breaks. Notably, my UI Mods were loading in the wrong order, despite me setting the file dependencies correctly.

>>568514147
Ok so the Crashfix just causes a CTD instantly.
>>568514150
I'm using the MO2 fork made by the people who did Viva New Vegas.

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>>568514401
I'm not familiar with the Agua Fria mod specifically, but I'm seeing that the ini option your looking for is "bFixWeaponDamageStages = 1"? Try looking for that, my man.

>>568513735
>Who said they aren't?
You said that no one takes her seriously. If everyone treats her like the town lunatic, why make a statement about it? Why throw her out of the city? Clearly either her journalism is held in regard by some or the mayor is afraid of her.
>Okay and where from any of that did he learn of Eden's top secret FEV plot that apparently only you and Autumn know about
Do you seriously think that the Brotherhood wouldn't have documented the Enclave after their defeat on the Oil Rig/Navarro? That they wouldn't have any knowledge of them written in a memo on a terminal in the Citadel, former real world Pentagon belonging to the former USgov? Remember that the Brotherhood stole vertibird plans from the Enclave. Every elder would've been briefed on them due to their massive depth of resources and advanced technological capabilities.
>Player: What do you know about the Enclave?
>Lyons: More than anyone else, I dare say. Certainly enough to know they're the greatest threat the Capital Wasteland has ever faced.
>Lyons: The Brotherhood of Steel has encountered the Enclave before, you see. Over thirty years ago, back in California.
>Lyons: Then, they were led by a President Richardson. Now we've got this Eden to contend with.
So it's not a stretch to believe that James learned of the Enclave from his Brotherhood involvement. He met Lyons, he was good friends with Lyons, he roamed around under the protection of Star Paladin Cross, and Project Purity was all but a division of the Brotherhood of Steel in its early days. James would've definitely had access to some of the knowledge housed in Brotherhood archives, spoken by word of mouth by Brotherhood scribes/paladins, or otherwise spoken by Lyons himself. Remember that Dr. Li had access to the knowledge stored within the Citadel when she was working on Liberty Prime, so James would've definitely had access to it as well.

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>>568515078
Nothing.

>>568514150
>twist narrative into knots to create interesting worldbuilding
Maybe radiation lowers IQ, and the east coast had more exposure to radiation.

>>568515326
>no one
>everyone
What I actually said
>Piper is widely believed to be a conspiracy theorist
Alex Jones is widely believed to be a conspiracy theorist, that doesn't mean he isn't popular or that a lot of people take him seriously. Also consider that the Institute actually do know what Piper is saying is true.
>the wall of text
This itself is a major problem with FO3's writing. If the plot is reliant on presuming characters have meta knowledge about the series, which we never actually see, it's already failed to set up its own conflict (which it goes on to invalidate later with the whole Eden/Autumn thing anyway).

I really do not understand people who sperg out about FO4's writing while defending 3 when they were literally written by the same guy. And imo Emil at least got some experience from all the plot holes in 3.

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Chinese Stealth Suit Tali Zorah vas Normandy.

>>568515340
Give me a moment, Anon. I'm updating my modlist so I can see the latest ini file from Stewie. I was on version 9.80.

>>568516106
Lol. It was a double dose of SUPER FEV. It's like FEV, but more terrible, obviously.

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>>568516307
I should mention
It's THIS version of the ini
Not the one that comes with the mod.
Maybe Githubs version is fucked, I dunno.
https://github.com/ModdingLinked/Stewie-Tweaks-INIs/releases/tag/20197727503

>>568516836
Double mention, I grabbed the extended version at first, because I'm an idiot.
I have it switched around now and no crashes, yet.

>>568516197
>Alex Jones is widely believed to be a conspiracy theorist, that doesn't mean he isn't popular or that a lot of people take him seriously
The Institute have the power to assassinate and replace anyone on a whim, so why haven't they done it?
>This itself is a major problem with FO3's writing. If the plot is reliant on presuming characters have meta knowledge about the series, which we never actually see, it's already failed to set up its own conflict (which it goes on to invalidate later with the whole Eden/Autumn thing anyway).
The problem is that Fallout 3 assumes that we, the player, have played Fallout 1/2. Otherwise we wouldn't really hate the Enclave as much because we wouldn't know how they treat their own people internally. That's what's bad about it, and that's why it's had the complete opposite effect. It's a similar situation with the Brotherhood where most players won't see Lyons' chapter as a splinter group, but rather the real Brotherhood because they're marked as such, despite being anything but the real Brohood.
Clearly I'm correct in that assessment too, because I really doubt you've played any of these games. Were you the same guy I was arguing with the other day who was saying that the Brotherhood are no different from the Enclave? Y'know, because both want to grill some ghouls? Mash some muties? Cook some centaurs?
Gotta love 4secondaries.

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>>568516986
So unfair, anon! Having me look through mod comments, multiple mods, the changelog, and all this just because you downloaded the wrong ini. Lmao.

Playing 4 for the first time since release using LFO. I'd forgotten how much this game incentivizes you to take the most boring perks. I'm almost level 20 and almost all of my perk points were spent on things like unlocking containers and terminals, getting bonus xp, and unlocking settlement essentials.
Maybe I shouldn't have gone for a lightweight overhaul mod.

>>568518009
I mean to be fair I couldn't find it in the new ini either.
But maybe it's fixed.
Also I moved around my load order just a bit.
Honestly I'm starting to wish I was just playing Stalker instead.
Or Skyrim.
The novelty is wearing off on the way to Novac again.
I want her to step on my balls.

>>568517749
>The Institute have the power to assassinate and replace anyone on a whim, so why haven't they done it?
Probably because the Institute deliberately wants to make people afraid of them and Piper's conspiracy theories just advance that without actually doing them any harm.
>Clearly I'm correct in that assessment too, because I really doubt you've played any of these games.
At this point you've given up on your argument and this is your last resort.
In some ways I actually agree with what you just said but meta knowledge of Fallout 1/2 causes even more plot holes in 3 than it solves. They completely retcon what a geck even is or does, they completely where super mutants come from. The whole plot of Fallout 3 reads like someone fed the plot of the first two to an AI that's putting concepts in there but no thought to make them make sense.

>>568519816
>Probably because the Institute deliberately wants to make people afraid of them
First of all, where's this stated? For someone who likes to criticize Fallout 3's plot for operating on a lot of well-founded assumptions and implications, you're doing a lot of assuming yourself.
Second, what a great plan: create technology that allows you to perfectly conceal every op you plan, then use it in the most obvious way to provoke people into violence, then get mad when they bomb the everloving shit out of you. Doesn't really make much sense when they developed all this futuristic tech to be sneaky, but okay.
>At this point you've given up on your argument and this is your last resort.
Brother, you completely forgot the chronology of this game's narrative before I brought it up to you, and then whined when you had to play a Fallout game to understand another Fallout game in the same timeline. If anyone's on the backfoot here, it's obviously you.
That being said, it's funny, because the entire existence of the Brotherhood of Steel in 4 is delivered in exactly the same way. People who didn't play Fallout 3 won't know anything about Lyons, the Capital Wasteland, Adams AFB, Liberty Prime, Dr. Li, etc. So for all they know these really are evil sky nazis, and even characters like Porter Gage try telling you that they're just tech raiders when Bethesda already stripped them of a lot of their quasi-religious pseudo-knightly charm. They won't know what the Brotherhood is really meant to represent.

Fallout 4's plot (and the whole game really) is just bad. It's worse than 76, it's worse than 3, it's worse than Tactics. Only play this game if you like throating dildos.

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>>568523720
Forgive me but I think that publicly sending a thing think looks like this to shoot up peace talks saying "be afraid" is quite bit less of a logical leap than pretending DC super mutants have an organised military because they kidnap people or James knows the plot of Fallout 2
>you completely forgot the chronology of this game's narrative
When?
>and then whined when you had to play a Fallout game to understand another Fallout game in the same timeline.
The funny thing is, famously, Fallout 3 was wildly controversial with fans of the isometric games precisely because it did play so fast and loose with the lore. Why the BoS humanitarian goodies now? Why are there super mutants in DC? Why does a geck behave like a magical do-anything-ifier? How did the entire enclave teleport across the continent?

If the argument you want to go for is Fallout 3 makes sense if you play the original games, my advice is pick a better argument because that one is bad.
>So for all they know these really are evil sky nazis, and even characters like Porter Gage try telling you that they're just tech raiders when Bethesda already stripped them of a lot of their quasi-religious pseudo-knightly charm.
Mr. House essentially makes that same argument in New Vegas. Nothing in Fallout 3 relates to "what the brotherhood is really meant to represent", Beth just wanted recognisable good guys for the game and happened to pick them.

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>>568525995
>Forgive me but I think that publicly sending a thing think looks like this to shoot up peace talks saying "be afraid" is quite bit less of a logical leap than pretending DC super mutants have an organised military because they kidnap people or James knows the plot of Fallout 2
I provided actual lines from the game proving it.
Not to mention the fact that I asked you that question precisely because, as someone who plays these games, I know that any time you ask Father what his motivations are, or the motivations of his predecessors for that matter, most of the time he just fobs you off. I'm pretty sure that something that can be easily answered with any basic lore reading is a little less of a gripe than a major plot thread that is actively left unexplained for no reason. I think we can easily understand why James didn't want to give MegaHitler his water purifying machine, but it's a little harder to understand why Father didn't brief the future director on how to run his underground lab.
Not to mention the fact that, like I said before, the whole stealth angle makes zero sense when they actively try and make targets out of themselves, so pick an angle.
>When?
>>568506657
You forgot that James kills himself before he learns that Eden is just a puppet. Unfortunately James didn't peek ahead in the script notes.
>You mean the exact plot point Eden tells us Autumn (the one who is actually taking over the purifier) won't do? So, Liam Neeson kills himself, to stop Autumn pushing the on button, and your quest with the BoS is to make sure you push the on button instead - or alternatively actually do Eden's plan that Autumn won't.
1/2

>>568525995
>The funny thing is, famously, Fallout 3 was wildly controversial with fans of the isometric games precisely because it did play so fast and loose with the lore
Fallout 4's handling of the lore was worse because it actively contradicts it's own lore rather than being a soft reboot like 3 was. Once with the T-60 and again with the pre-war Nuka World X-01. The isometric fans didn't like some things about 3 lore, some things which were completely justified. However the vocal disdain for 4 was massive, it outgrew the hatred for 3 in every community.
>Why the BoS humanitarian goodies now?
Tactics made them humanitarian goodies too. They're a new chapter on the other side of the country, so it's fine imo to change them a bit.
>Why are there super mutants in DC
I hate this too, but 4 has all of those same creatures. So this isn't exactly an argument to be made for 4.
>Why does a geck behave like a magical do-anything-ifier?
What's so magical about a water purifier?
>How did the entire enclave teleport across the continent?
Er... what? They have vertibirds. If anyone's traveling long distances, it's them.
>If the argument you want to go for is Fallout 3 makes sense if you play the original games, my advice is pick a better argument because that one is bad.
The dialogue in the main plotline constantly references events that occurred in Fallout 1/2. I already mentioned here where Lyons mentions F2 >>568515326. There's also the dialogue with some of the scribes that references the elders back west and their hatred for Lyons for breaking the codex. It's not like a new player would know about that.
2/3

>>568525995
>Mr. House essentially makes that same argument in New Vegas. Nothing in Fallout 3 relates to "what the brotherhood is really meant to represent", Beth just wanted recognisable good guys for the game and happened to pick them.
Mr. House doesn't call them tech raiders, he says that they're war-mongering, tech-worshipping cultists who are more fixated on fighting than providing anything of value to the wasteland. That doesn't make them raiders. He even actually acknowledges that they see themselves as "ideologically pure". It's less a criticism of their tenets as much as their methods.

>>568530163
>However the vocal disdain for 4 was massive
The only people who have "vocal disdain" for Fallout 4 are an extreme minority of turbo autsits online.

Anyone ever play this? https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/43335

Is it decent?

>>568530021
If the subject is having bad guys with inexplicable motivations then Fallout 3 is in an even worse position.
Fallout 3's villains can't even agree with each other on what the plan is and this plot thread goes nowhere. Is the plan to kill all humans or is the plan get the purifier working, and if the later, then this has dire problems for the plot because that just so happens to be the same goal as the good guys.
And what makes even less sense than the villains themselves, is the villain path for the player. You have to sacrifice yourself to sabotage the purifier that's already just irradiating the shit out of the water anyway. What?
Even the good guys barely even make sense. How come the BoS spend like half the game trying to bring Three Dog to the masses instead of doing anything about that live nuke in Megaton or that town full of orphaned kids just around the corner from the super mutant factory?
>You forgot that James kills himself before he learns that Eden is just a puppet. Unfortunately James didn't peek ahead in the script notes.
You ought replay the game because 1. James kills himself before the whole Raven Rock quest happens. 2. Eden isn't a puppet, the Enclave president just literally is an AI and during the Raven Rock quest they mutiny against said AI. If he's a puppet, why is Autumn mutinying against him?
>Once with the T-60 and again with the pre-war Nuka World X-01.
True, however these are superficial compared to the major implications of east coast FEV, teleporting Enclave, and particularly the limitless power of a geck to do pretty much do anything.
>However the vocal disdain for 4 was massive, it outgrew the hatred for 3 in every community.
Yeah because now the Fallout fanbase was bigger than ever and a new generation of grognards had grown up with nostalgia goggles for the first person era. The same thing will happen when Fallout 5 comes out and people who started with 4 complain about it.
1/2

>>568525995
>Forgive me but I think that publicly sending a thing think looks like this to shoot up peace talks saying "be afraid"
There is no actual proof that the Institute sent a synth to shoot up the CPG. In fact, old records from the Institute, from the time before the CPG fell, note that the CPG was falling apart before the Institute ever got involved, and that the Institute spent 4 years trying to SAVE the CPG.

This is exactly like the Battle of Red Mountain stuff from Morrowind. There is no clear cut answer on what happened
-The CPG could've fallen apart on its own, and surfacers just blamed the Institute since they were an easy scapegoat
-The synth sent to the CPG may have malfunctioned, and shot up the place accidentally
-The Institute may have just shot it up intentionally.
We don't know.

>>568531868
Not him but, you seem confused here.
>Fallout 3's villains can't even agree with each other on what the plan is
This doesn't make their motivations inexplicable
> and this plot thread goes nowhere.
Its what directly causes Autumn to betray Eden, and what allows you to talk Autumn down at the end of the game.
> Is the plan to kill all humans or is the plan get the purifier working,
Eden wants to kill everyone using the FEV, which he plans to inject into the water supply. Autumn wants to use the purifier to take control of the wasteland under an Enclave led state. Both require turning on the purifier.
>and if the later, then this has dire problems for the plot because that just so happens to be the same goal as the good guys.
This is like saying NV's plot has dire issues because all sides want Hoover Dam for similar reasons. This argument completely ignores that HOW it gets used by the people who take control is different.
-Lyons doesn't want to take over the wasteland, he just wants to use it as a PR tool to get people to want to join the BoS
-Eden wants to use it to murder hobo all muties
-Autumn wants to use it to force everyone under the Enclave's leadership.
>You have to sacrifice yourself to sabotage the purifier that's already just irradiating the shit out of the water anyway.
The purifier doesn't irradiate the water. The purifier is taking radiation out of the water. I don't know where you got the idea the purifer is irradiating the water, the game never says this.
>How come the BoS spend like half the game trying to bring Three Dog to the masses
Propaganda, which is a very basic tool organizations have used.
>instead of doing anything about that live nuke in Megaton
This gets explained in the game. The cultists don't want the nuke messed with, and Lucas only asks you to do it under the assumption you could do it quietly.
>or that town full of orphaned kids just around the corner from the super mutant factory?
The kids don't want help.

>>568530163
>>Tactics made them humanitarian goodies too. They're a new chapter on the other side of the country, so it's fine imo to change them a bit.
This is also true and I question why Bethesda declared Tactics non-canon when 3 and 4 would make way more sense if it was presumed Tactics happened.
>So this isn't exactly an argument to be made for 4.
True, for one thing they're written by the same guy, but for another whatever happened in 3 happened, 4 is obviously going to work with the world 3 sets up.
>What's so magical about a water purifier?
The way it is explained in 3 what exactly a GECK does is significantly expanded from a much more limited but still very sci-fi settlement founding tool to a device that can limitlessly rearrange matter in a wide area. The existence of this technology in the lore is Timeturner tier, it could solve every problem in the universe but no one seems to care except when a macguffin is required.
>Er... what? They have vertibirds. If anyone's traveling long distances, it's them.
How many vertibirds do you need to fit an entire army in it? And if they're going somewhere in a giant mass exodus why choose the most radioactive shithole on the opposite side of the continent where the most interesting thing going on is some guy building a water purifier?
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>>568531868
>>568532680
To follow up
>to the major implications of east coast FEV
Which isn't that major. Its fairly basic to have multiple teams working on the same project in somewhat isolation from each other to prevent self confirming biases from closing off possible experimentation paths.
>teleporting Enclave
The Enclave didn't "teleport" they walked, just like the BoS.
>and particularly the limitless power of a geck to do pretty much do anything.
This was based on like the Fallout 1 manual's description of the GECK as a matter recombination device or w/e.

>>568532680
Thing is, the point of project purity isn't to build a factory for clean water, they already have those in the wasteland as we see in Megaton. The point is to mass purify the Potomac itself and create a clean river. This renders any question of control or distribution futile and the ultimate difference between what the BoS and Autumn are trying to do just comes down to who pushes the button. Eden's plan at least is fundamentally different
>I don't know where you got the idea the purifer is irradiating the water, the game never says this.
The last mission, when the Enclave sabotage the purifier so it's just lethally radioactive inside, where you have to go in and sacrifice yourself to save it.
>Propaganda, which is a very basic tool organizations have used.
Having a radio DJ broadcast propaganda is more important than tackling the super mutant epidemic at the root, who just so happen to be right beside a cave full of innocent orphans, or sticking to their codex defined mission AND helping the welfare of the wastelanders by doing something about the giant live nuke in the biggest city in the region?

Granted, for whatever reason, the people in this settlements DGAF about these problems, which is another problem but whatever. The point I'm going to follow this with is the BoS never gave one fuck about the consent of the governed, even under Lyons, this is the same Lyons that did the Pitt.

>>568533603
>Thing is, the point of project purity isn't to build a factory for clean water, they already have those in the wasteland as we see in Megaton. The point is to mass purify the Potomac itself and create a clean river.
Ok, this tells me right here you are really confused, or didn't play the game. Its explicitly mention that there is no way to purify the entire Potomac, and that the purifier wasn't meant to do that. The only thing it was meant to purify is the tidal basin it directly drains into.

And its also explicitly called out that water purfiers like those in Megaton suck monkey nuts, and can barely purfiey more then a few cups of clean water a day, which is why even Megaton has to ration it among the people who live in the city. The point is the mass purify a massive basin of water people don't have to ration it anymore.

You really seem confused about very basic plot points of Fallout 3.

>>568532921
Thing is in Fallout 1 it's explained why the super mutants are kidnapping people and dipping them in FEV. It's because it's part of the strategy of this giant organised cult/army led by the master. This is where super mutants come from.
In absence of that they start dwindling out
Fallout 3 doesn't have this. The mutants are very preoccupied with abducting people and dipping them in FEV but it's for no particular strategic or ideological goal and they've never had any kind of organisation, it's just a recycled plot point from FO1 without the elements that FO1 relied on for it to make any sense.
>This was based on like the Fallout 1 manual's description of the GECK as a matter recombination device or w/e.
It is but the leap from "this can turn water to food" to "this can terraform the entire DMV area" is significant and does invite the question of why everyone isn't fighting wars for GECKs.

>>568534139
Problem there is the tidal basin directly connects to the river via a small mouth.

>>568535207
If you actually played the game you would see there's a small barrier/dam blocking that mouth.

>>568535638
Only there isn't and if there was then without its inlet or outlet the basin would be dry anyway.

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>>568535638
Why even lie?

Pig's quest mods kind of suck. Just long hallways full of enemies.

>>568536715
You should probably walk closer to where the whole bride loads in next time.

>>568537136
I accept your concession

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>>568537449
Here is what it actually looks like in-game

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Oh, okay. It's like Oblivion with guns.

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>>568537869
T.hanks

why did they update fo4 on PC, I thought this was for consoles

>>568536750
they really do. his writing is really amateur level, I think he's on the spectrum
I tried his one with all the bikers and I thought it was cringe

>>568540320
Fixed some issues on PC as well.

>>568537869
Mod?

>>568540489
Like what?

Best new vegas quest mods?

>>568540320
to fuck with the retards still playing that slop

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I've been trying to do all the side quests in Fallout London before doing the main quest and having to pick a faction but uh, I'm starting to run out of decent perks to take
I guess I could up Endurance? I guess??? I've still got 10 more pages of side quests to do according to my word document so I've still got several more levels to go.
I only wonder how overleveled I'd be had I gone idiot savant

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Oh and I stopped playing at this location last night before bed and had a dream about it
I dreamt that there was a second floor balcony to this building and me, some companion of mine that apparently worked for the Secret Service, and my dream-daughter were on it looking out across the horizon (I don't have a kid in real life)
Suddenly though a new batch of nukes started exploding north of us and I knew we were doomed once the blast wave hit us, so I reached into my bag and gave my daughter a cupcake I had been saving for a special occasion and prayed for all of us to be welcomed into Heaven even though my daughter and the secret service guy had never gotten baptized or saved.

The blast wave was taking a while to hit though so I decided I wasn't going to let a nuke take us out and I led all of us to a bridge and jumped off, shouting 'GERONIMO" before hitting the water and waking up

It bothers me in 3 when Eden off-handedly refers to the Brotherhood as "boyscouts". That's a dumb line from a character who is actively trying to appear more wholesome than the alternatives. There are much better insults for the BoS and Lyon's BoS in particular.
Really, I think the Enclave would be more inclined to be disgusted by the Brotherhood's cargo cult behavior. The Enclave invents and creates and manufactures largely unrestrained of morals and values beyond genetic purity and patriotism towards a dead country. The BoS hoards and worships technology while dogmatically marching towards their own doom. It's like Raiders pretending to be the old US Army, but are still flush with basically tribal superstitions.

>>568534139
>>568533603
>>568535207
>>568536715
Frankly it bothers me more that the Potomac dries up upstream around Big Town.

>>568542205
and what do you play?

>>568547803
Trans Vegas obviously

>>568514150
no offense but I want to have sex with that deathclaw

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STOP FALLING IN THE FUCKING LAVA
This happened again later to my dog and I was too far away at the time so he decided to go to Hangman's Alley. That's uh, a little far away

>create raid group
>spend 10 minutes just sitting there by myself
>change server
>same thing
Alright then.

>>568540501
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/97675
>>568541768
Autumn Leaves

>>568552834
Apparently they're gonna try to make formal matchmaking at some point but yeah, that's the main reason why I just don't bother with raids

>>568514150
Has no one else tried adding Deathclaw that you can fuck except for fucking Frontier?

>>568554714
I’m a sick fuck I like a quick fuck

>>568554714
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/64937 This one but I haven’t played it, so I can’t comment on the quality of the mod.
>>568557638
With all the hate The Frontier gets I think this scene in particular was absolutely hilarious (in a good way) and I hope they keep it in New Frontier.

>>568531868
>Is the plan to kill all humans or is the plan get the purifier working,
Those are two separate characters, and their power struggle is a major part of the plot.
>then this has dire problems for the plot because that just so happens to be the same goal as the good guys.
Why do you keep saying this when we've already established that the Enclave don't have any intention of establishing a mostly peaceful, mostly egalitarian society? The BoS has its faults no doubt, but the core of the Enclave is racism against wastelanders, and Lyons BoS is rather accepting of them, so much so that he literally broke the codex to help them.
>And what makes even less sense than the villains themselves, is the villain path for the player. You have to sacrifice yourself to sabotage the purifier that's already just irradiating the shit out of the water anyway. What?
Dirty water doesn't kill wastelanders, it merely contributes to rad poisoning, FEV does. It's like saying:
>Why didn't the Enclave just NOT develop Curling 13 in Fallout 2? The wastelanders would just die a slower death of rad poisoning anyway!
Fallout 3's plot is just a flip on Fallout 2's in this regard.
>Even the good guys barely even make sense. How come the BoS spend like half the game trying to bring Three Dog to the masses
They don't? They don't even fetch his satellite dish. They just occupy his radio building.
1/5

>>568531868
>instead of doing anything about that live nuke in Megaton or that town full of orphaned kids just around the corner from the super mutant factory?
Because they don't hold any autonomy over independent settlements? Plus, like the other anon said, most Megaton residents don't mind the bomb, and the cult wants to keep it there.
>You ought replay the game because 1. James kills himself before the whole Raven Rock quest happens. but they don't care how they run their towns.
Reread my post instead of skimming like a tard. That's literally what I'm telling you to do, since you seem to think James should possess knowledge that the player character only receives in the second to last main quest.
>2. Eden isn't a puppet, the Enclave president just literally is an AI and during the Raven Rock quest they mutiny against said AI. If he's a puppet, why is Autumn mutinying against him?
None of the soldiers in Raven Rock have any loyalty towards him. That's why you don't see friendly Eden loyalists. He is a puppet made to broadcast propaganda on Enclave radio and pretend to be their leader to inspire morale. No one even knows he's an AI because as he says, no one barely visits him apart from the Colonel.
2/5

>>568531868
>True, however these are superficial compared to the major implications of east coast FEV
How did the Institute get ahold of FEV if that's such a deal-breaker for you?
>teleporting Enclave
Literally already debunked this shit. They have vertibirds in case you haven't noticed (because you haven't played the games).
>particularly the limitless power of a geck to do pretty much do anything.
Purifying water? So very limitless and magical LMFAO.
>Yeah because now the Fallout fanbase was bigger than ever and a new generation of grognards had grown up with nostalgia goggles for the first person era
3, New Vegas, and 76 are head and shoulders above Fallout 4 in literally every regard regardless of nostalgia. There's a reason 3/New Vegas fans had nostalgia for both of those games in 2015 when F4 came out, meanwhile no one has nostalgia for F4 even 11 years later because no one gives a shit about this POS game.
3/5

>>568532853
>True, for one thing they're written by the same guy, but for another whatever happened in 3 happened, 4 is obviously going to work with the world 3 sets up.
I don't see that as an excuse when 76 introduced so many different new creatures and monsters. Even if they reused many of them, there's still variety in 76 than 4 doesn't offer. They're all set on the East Coast, 4 just does a sloppy job and grips tightly on the successes of 3.
>The way it is explained in 3 what exactly a GECK does is significantly expanded from a much more limited but still very sci-fi settlement founding tool to a device that can limitlessly rearrange matter in a wide area
Where it says that it can terraform land, it also says this:
>The G.E.C.K. includes a cold-fusion power generator rated to last at least 1000 years, matter-energy replicators, water purifiers, atmospheric chemical stabilizers, and seed and soil supplements. Even in the event of total global annihilation, a properly functioning G.E.C.K. will create an earthly paradise.
So that's just marketing mumbo-jumbo. The reality is that the GECK is an agricultural toolkit, and F3 is consistent with this, because Project Purity is a water purifier, not exactly anything magical.
4/5

>>568532853
>And if they're going somewhere in a giant mass exodus why choose the most radioactive shithole on the opposite side of the continent where the most interesting thing going on is some guy building a water purifier?
It's explained by Eden when you meet him.
>The ZAX series of computers was introduced in the years preceding the war. The government installed many of them to help automate various systems.
>This facility was designed for Continuity of Government, in the event that a catastrophe occurred.
>My terminal was installed to oversee the basic functions of the facility, and to act as a relay between other installations around the country.
>Data was acquired, analyzed, and stored. In the decades following the war, I watched as the remnants of the government retreated to the West Coast.
So Raven Rock was essentially established as a contingency in case of a disaster.
5/5

>>568534224
>The mutants are very preoccupied with abducting people and dipping them in FEV but it's for no particular strategic or ideological goal
That's the only way they can replenish their numbers.
>it's just a recycled plot point from FO1 without the elements that FO1 relied on for it to make any sense.
But the super mutants aren't even doing much of this in Fallout 3 at all, they're less of a threat to us during the game than they were years prior because they're a dying breed thanks to their supply of FEV running out.

>>568564968
>5 fucking parts
I’m not going to bother replying to this line by line so I will distill this down to the basic thesis.
When you take the nostalgia goggles off, Fallout 3 makes zero sense. It is about goodies and baddies fighting over the same basic goal of getting an operational water purifier running in which you’re not expected to actually think about their goals or motivations for more than two seconds. It features the most pants on head retarded world building in Fallout history with gems like Megaton and Little Lamplight (right beside vault 87). It features a version of the BoS that is more concerned with keeping a radio DJ on the air than doing anything about this FEV factory or a live nuke just laying around. It also abuses the shit out of classic lore to fit it on the opposite side of the continent in 2277 with the most hand waved explanations possible. It is blatantly written by a writer that does not expect the player to think for 3 seconds, the same writer that wrote 4 btw. The people who sperg out about 4 while giving 3 a pass only do so because when they played 3 they were 10, an appropriate age for such a weak story.

>>568533603
>Having a radio DJ broadcast propaganda is more important than tackling the super mutant epidemic at the root, who just so happen to be right beside a cave full of innocent orphans
Lyons didn't even know where the super mutants were based, you just so happened to find them in the vault while looking for the GECK by pure coincidence. You can even bring it up to him.
>Player: The Super Mutants are coming from Vault 87. It's their breeding ground.
>Lyons: Vault 87? Where you found the G.E.C.K.? We've never been able to penetrate the radiation surrounding that area...
>sticking to their codex defined mission
Except it's stated multiple times throughout Fallout 3 that Lyons' chapter doesn't adhere to the traditional codex-defined mission of hoarding technology. Their tendency to help settlers over hoarding technology is an abandonment of that mission. Not only do you have no idea about Fallout 3, but you have no idea about foundational lore established in 1/2.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Codex

>>568567119
In absence of some organisation like the Unity why would any super mutant care about replenishing their numbers?

>>568568380
The codex: Lyon’s edition
>Help the people of the wasteland with snazzy 40s music. Ignore super mutant factories and live nukes in populated areas, solving those problems doesn’t help wastelanders o algo
Fucking kek 3 is so retarded

>>568568459
They are organized.
You can see them capturing prisoners, guarding outposts they've established, they even lock people in cells in the vault, and conduct raids.

>>568568952
So who is their leader? How is this organisation run?
Fallout 1 explains these, 3 doesn’t, it just takes random shit from 1 and 2 because this is a fallout game and this means super mutants, Enclave, BoS, Harold, Vaults, intelligent super mutant companion. Does it make sense? Doesn’t matter, just get it in there cuz Fallout

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>>568568329
>getting this upset because you didn't understand basic lore from 3 (or even 1/2)
You should increase INT and take Comprehension next run.

>>568569263
>So who is their leader?
Why do they need one? They're not the main antagonists like in 1. Does 4 need a leader for the Gunners? Did NV need leaders for any of the background enemies like Vipers or Jackals?
>How is this organisation run?
Capture humans -> keep a few of them for food -> take the rest back to vault -> turn them into super mutants.
Of course lately since their supply of FEV ran out, they've just been eating the humans instead.

>>568569974
Well in Fallout 1 the whole kidnap people and make super mutants has a goal. Turn everyone into super mutants because super mutants are superior and then there will be world peace when everyone in the same. So, the Unity has a logic to doing this, the master came up with it and the cathedral evangelise it.
3 doesn’t have any of this. They apparently just have existential concern about a future for the super mutant race o algo. You’re not expected to question it.
> Does 4 need a leader for the Gunners?
They do have a leader actually and you can fight him in game
> Did NV need leaders for any of the background enemies like Vipers or Jackals?
The vipers and the jackals are reused cut content raider bands from Fallout 1, the idea was that like the Khans they’re more a tribe going back several generations, only much smaller and more degenerated
They never really feature into the plot, but the Fiends do, and the Fiends do have a leader and a defined hierarchy.

>>568568796
>Why doesn't my hero faction forcibly conquer every town and settlement in the wasteland
Because as we all said before, that's not their goal, that's not their domain, it's not their problem, and it's definitely not a worthwhile endeavor when the Enclave and super mutants are the bigger issue. They maintain GNR because on top of what the other anon said about propaganda, it's a useful outpost in the middle of Downtown DC AKA super mutie central. Just before Lyons crew show up, the muties are conducting a raid on the building.

>>568570831
>3 doesn’t have any of this. They apparently just have existential concern about a future for the super mutant race o algo
It's more that they're comfortable raiding, looting, and eating humans, so they obviously don't want to die out and starve.
>They do have a leader actually and you can fight him in game
No, they don't? Where?
>They never really feature into the plot, but the Fiends do, and the Fiends do have a leader and a defined hierarchy.
The Fiends also aren't always a hostile faction. You can deliver drugs to them, enter their vault, and speak to Motor-Runner. You can also pass a speech check and speak to them that way. They had to have a leader to make that sequence possible, along with the bounties.

>>568571081
>taking care of live nukes and super mutant spawn points isn't the BoS' problem
So this is the power of FO3 lore...
VGH... we must help the people.... not by getting rid of super mutants or saving them from apocalyptic detonations... but with the power of Three Dog...
lmao, 3 secondaries will actually pretend this makes sense
>and super mutants are the bigger issue
I see you have poor short term memory issues because the super mutants are literally one of the problems I raised. They are coming from vault 87, right beside Little Lamplight. Clearly the BoS have been too busy bringing The Ink Spots to the masses to bother investigating.

>>568571923
>It's more that they're comfortable raiding, looting, and eating humans, so they obviously don't want to die out and starve.
They're near immortal. They're also completely irrational and retarded but clearly they've thought deeply about the future of Dipping People in Vats LLC. after the next several centuries.
No, they don't? Where?
Captain Wes
In the Gunners Plaza
You know... their HQ?
>The Fiends also aren't always a hostile faction. You can deliver drugs to them, enter their vault, and speak to Motor-Runner. You can also pass a speech check and speak to them that way. They had to have a leader to make that sequence possible, along with the bounties.
Yeah NV is a good game written by good writers, I know.

>>568572351
>taking care of super mutant spawn points isn't the BoS' problem
Literally the very first time you meet the Brotherhood in the game, they are fighting back a super mutant raid. The next time you see them, they are guarding an outpost in the middle of the Mall quarter of Downtown DC, immediately positioned next to a trench full of super mutants, implying a stalemate, and when you venture deeper into the tunnels you can find corpses wearing Brotherhood T-45 power armor, implying that they have indeed fought the super mutants in the area.
What is wrong with you? Do you derive sexual pleasure from being a retard?
>taking care of live nukes isn't the BoS' problem
Not when it doesn't fall under their jurisdiction. The Brotherhood has no autonomy over how independent settlements are run. They differ from the traditional Brotherhood in that regard. They won't tell you how to run your city or strip you of your tech. They're so pussified they won't even get rid of the cult that keeps poisoning the water they're distributing to Megaton during Broken Steel.
>They are coming from vault 87, right beside Little Lamplight
And like I said here: >>568568380, Lyons and the Brotherhood didn't even know how to get inside Vault 87 due to the radiation. It's not through lack of trying.

>>568573169
>implying that they have indeed fought the super mutants in the area.
You really do have short term memory issues lmao
The matter at hand is why they haven't bothered investigating where they even come from, their spawn point, you know, Vault 87.
>The Brotherhood has no autonomy over how independent settlements are run
Here's the thing, the Brotherhood do not and never have given a fuck about the consent of the governed. Not even under Lyons in Fallout 3, Lyons did not care whether or not the people in the Pitt wanted him to shoot up the place he just did it anyway for the greater good. This jurisdiction argument is just paper thin.
>And like I said here: >>568568380, Lyons and the Brotherhood didn't even know how to get inside Vault 87 due to the radiation. It's not through lack of trying.
Clearly he didn't ask the local children, they're experts.

>>568572698
>They're near immortal. They're also completely irrational and retarded but clearly they've thought deeply about the future of Dipping People in Vats LLC. after the next several centuries.
The FEV experiments are all thoroughly documented along with Vault-Tec protocol on the terminals in the vault.
>Captain Wes
He's not their leader. The title ("Captain") gives that away. We can also find a Colonel of a higher rank in Nuka-World, showing that Wes was just a regional commander, not the leader of the faction.
>Yeah NV is a good game written by good writers, I know.
I like NV too, but the fact that the Fiends have a named leader and the Jackals and Vipers don't shows that a certain level of priority was given to them during development because obviously they were going to be a non-hostile faction in several quests, scenarios, and they were also featured in a quest where the whole point is tracking down bounties (named NPCs). Giving the super mutants a named leader wasn't a priority because there's no real reason you would meet them.

>>568574303
That’s not really relevant unless you think the super mutants are using the computers, reading scientific research and collectively deciding to imitate it to solve their deeply thought existential peril that may come several centuries from now
> He's not their leader. The title ("Captain") gives that away. We can also find a Colonel of a higher rank in Nuka-World, showing that Wes was just a regional commander, not the leader of the faction.
Nuka world is a different region
The environmental gunner terminal unmarked quest makes it clear in Boston their hierarchy culminates in Wes and all their orders come from the GNR plaza via radio.
One thing that can be said to 4’s credit is it has these environmental plot lines that can be easily missed. It sets up networks of raider gang politics and stuff which is a nice touch.
> Giving the super mutants a named leader wasn't a priority because there's no real reason you would meet them.
If we’re supposed to presume they have the same ideological goals as the Unity having a leader or any of this be explained anywhere would be important. But I don’t think Bethesda actually thought about it thar much, they just stuck them in there as throwaway mobs and they kidnap people to dip in FEV because thats what they did in FO1

>>568573776
>The matter at hand is why they haven't bothered investigating where they even come from, their spawn point, you know, Vault 87.
>Clearly he didn't ask the local children, they're experts.
How would they even get inside Vault 87 from Little Lamplight? The children barricaded themselves inside of the caverns and don't allow adults in. They could just raid the place and kill all the children I suppose, that might make more sense to you, that's totally not morally objectionable.
>Here's the thing, the Brotherhood do not and never have given a fuck about the consent of the governed. Not even under Lyons in Fallout 3, Lyons did not care whether or not the people in the Pitt wanted him to shoot up the place he just did it anyway for the greater good
They did that under the mandate of the western elders. Lyons wasn't even an elder at the time, he was a paladin carrying out the orders of the Lost Hills Brotherhood.

Why didn't James just build a water purifier that DIDN'T require a terraforming fusion device?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xa6P-NSgk
are you prepared for vibecoded javascript fallout mods

>>568575227
>How would they even get inside Vault 87 from Little Lamplight? The children barricaded themselves inside of the caverns and don't allow adults in
Ah yes, not like the main quest has them let you, an adult, enter where they tell you all about the secret entrance to Vault 87. Just not possible I'm afraid.
>They did that under the mandate of the western elders. Lyons wasn't even an elder at the time, he was a paladin carrying out the orders of the Lost Hills Brotherhood.
Except you just made that up on the spot right now.
The mission the western BoS gave Lyons is to go to DC, it was his idea to attack the Pitt when they found it along the way. This is what we are told in the game.

>>568575164
>collectively deciding to imitate it to solve their deeply thought existential peril that may come several centuries from now
Why do you think there's so many of them in the game compared to how few vault dwellers there were in Vault 87?
And they're already going extinct. Because they've ran out of FEV and the Brotherhood is actively warring with them, they can't replace their fallen when one dies, which is why they're out to find more FEV in the first place.
>Nuka world is a different region
That's what I said, yes.
>The environmental gunner terminal unmarked quest makes it clear in Boston their hierarchy culminates in Wes and all their orders come from the GNR plaza via radio.
So there's no leadership outside of regional command? No one is organizing the Gunners between all the various regions they're in?
So, the Gunners have no supreme leader? No top branch command? I'm glad we cleared that up.
>If we’re supposed to presume they have the same ideological goals as the Unity
Literally they don't, and I've never said they do. Mariposa and Vault 87 also dumped people in vats of FEV, they're not members of the Unity either. There's more to being in the Master's Army than just dumping people in FEV.

>>568576302
>Except you just made that up on the spot right now.
Taken from the official game guide:
>Rumors of the horrors of The Pitt spread throughout the Wasteland, and all travelers knew to avoid it at all costs. However, The Pitt became one of the most self-sufficient communities in the Wastes. Granted, their self-sufficiency relied on the citizens occasionally eating one another, but they functioned without trade or export.
>In 2042, Star Paladin Lyons of the Brotherhood of Steel led the Scourge, a large-scale military action that wiped out nearly the entire population of The Pitt.
>Ah yes, not like the main quest has them let you, an adult, enter where they tell you all about the secret entrance to Vault 87. Just not possible I'm afraid.
Only AFTER they've already let you in, and that just so happens because you saved one of them from slavers.

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>>568576489
>Why do you think there's so many of them in the game compared to how few vault dwellers there were in Vault 87?
Okay, so to be clear. You're saying that this:
" the super mutants are using the computers, reading scientific research and collectively deciding to imitate it to solve their deeply thought existential peril that may come several centuries from now"
actually is indeed what happened.
This is really the cope you want to go with to pretend Fallout 3 makes any sense?
>So there's no leadership outside of regional command? No one is organizing the Gunners between all the various regions they're in?
If they have a higher leader outside The Commonwealth, naturally we never meet them, because Fallout 4 takes place in the Commonwealth.
Point stands: FO4 does in fact provide the gunners with a boss, explanation for the organisation, and you had no idea until just now. This is just desperately trying to shift the goalposts because your rhetorical question backfired.
>Literally they don't, and I've never said they do. Mariposa and Vault 87 also dumped people in vats of FEV, they're not members of the Unity either. There's more to being in the Master's Army than just dumping people in FEV.
DING DING
Secondary alert
Mariposa was very much part of the Unity, in fact that's where the Unity literally began and continues to be their main production centre.

>>568577541
>Mariposa was very much part of the Unity
You do realize that Mariposa existed and experimented on people with FEV many decades before the Master was even born, right?
You just outed yourself.

>>568577005
>Taken from the official game guide:
Absolutely nowhere in that does it say the western BoS ordered him to do it. In the game itself we are explicitly told Lyons led the operation.
>."It was a Brotherhood operation. They marched in and swept the place clean. Most of the people there were half-mutated, cancerous, vile things. And these people... rape gangs, torture squads... it was pure chaos there. The Scourge is the best thing that could have happened to it. This was way back, before the Citadel was fortified. Part of the early recon after the Brotherhood first arrived in this area. One night, a squad of Brothers led by Paladin Lyons swept into the city from over Mount Wash, tearing apart anyone who stood against them. They were completely outnumbered. And still they razed that place to the ground."
We are also told exactly what the mission the western BoS gave him was. And shooting up the Pitt wasn't part of it.
>Only AFTER they've already let you in, and that just so happens because you saved one of them from slavers.
Clearly the BoS did not consider just hanging around the super mutant spawn point and protecting the kids. The more you think about FO3 the more evident it is that Lyons isn't just shit at the mission the BoS gave him, he's also shit at the "protect da people" mission he gave himself.

>>568577720
Was pre-war Mariposa composed of super mutants?
No?
Not really relevant then is it?

>>568578069
In reference to your flawed argument, it absolutely is. Just dipping people in FEV doesn't make you a member of the Unity. If the super mutants in Vault 87 are imitating the Unity by dipping people, then I guess the scientists at Mariposa and pre-war Vault 87 were too.
You haven't played 1/2/3 and it shows.

>>568577541
>Okay, so to be clear. You're saying that this:
>" the super mutants are using the computers, reading scientific research and collectively deciding to imitate it to solve their deeply thought existential peril that may come several centuries from now"
Why do you think it's out of their depth to simply put practice into action? Especially considering they themselves have also experienced the dip and likely witnessed others being dipped.
>Fallout 4 has no Gunner leader
>Point stands: FO4 does in fact provide the gunners with a boss
>claiming I'm the one shifting the goalposts
Lmao.
So the Gunners don't have a leader then. They have a Captain who serves as their regional commander, but no central leadership. I accept your concession.
>Mariposa was very much part of the Unity, in fact that's where the Unity literally began and continues to be their main production centre.
Post-war yes, but there was also a Mariposa pre-war (Why do you think they have FEV in the first place?).

>>568578315
> Just dipping people in FEV doesn't make you a member of the Unity.
???
No one ever said this. Are you an ESL?
My argument was Fallout 3 has the Super Mutants behave as if they’re being coordinated to propagate more mutants for some reason without ever explaining why or expecting the player to ask. It just brainlessly copies this plot point from Fallout 1, only in Fallout 1 it made sense because it was all directed by the master for an ideological goal.
And I know you will disagree, but you evidently will accept and excuse any nonsense as long as it comes from Fallout 3. You literally suggested the super mutants using the computers to read scientific research and collectively deciding to imitate it as a sensible explanation. Get real.
> You haven't played 1/2/3 and it shows.
Translation: no u
Man isn’t happy he got caught red handed not having played Fallout 1

>>568578813
> Why do you think it's out of their depth to simply put practice into action?
The funny thing about arguing with you is you’ll give up on one argument and then forget about it and immediately offer a completely different one as if the previous one didn’t even happen. All to delay at all costs ever admitting that FO3 ever once made no sense. You know this whole Vault 87 super mutant plot line doesn’t make sense, if you didn’t you could at least come up with one justification and stick to it, on any subject.
> They have a Captain who serves as their regional commander
Who’s the regional commander of the DC super mutants?

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>>568579132
>It just brainlessly copies this plot point from Fallout 1
It's the only way for super mutants to reproduce. It's literally foundational lore that the entire setting is built upon. How would you make more super mutants WITHOUT referencing Fallout 1 in some capacity?
>Man isn’t happy he got caught red handed not having played Fallout 1
Brother, you think Mariposa is synonymous with the Unity, despite the Master only co-opting the work of pre-war scientists from West-Tek.

>>568579842
>The funny thing about arguing with you is you’ll give up on one argument and then forget about it and immediately offer a completely different one as if the previous one didn’t even happen
When did this happen?
Why do you think it's so hard for super mutants, who have clearly already used the terminals in the Vault to lock people inside the cells, to read basic Vault-Tec information the player has access to?
It's not even scientific goobledigook either. It's made to be read by security guards.

>>568580719
Funny thing is Fallout 2 already had this scenario. Mariposa has supermutants again because the Enclave forced wastelanders to excavate it, who then got exposed. These mutants do not give one fig about propagating the super mutant species or whatever, because why would they? The only reason that made sense in Fallout 1 is because of the whole Unity plot line, which Fallout 2 doesn't have, and neither does Fallout 3. But for some reason Fallout 3 mutants behave as if propagating the species is a matter of utmost urgency.
>Brother, you think Mariposa is synonymous with the Unity, despite the Master only co-opting the work of pre-war scientists from West-Tek.
Yes if you're talking about pre-war Marioposa then West-Tek is the name of the organisation you're looking for.

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>>568581170
>He's actually going with the "super mutants are using computers to read scientific research and then imitating it as the policy of their leaderless anarchic commune" cope
Holy kek
You really cannot admit 3 was kind of dumb at any cost.

>>568581854
>leaderless
What's strange is that whenever it comes to Fallout 3, you're completely unable to understand abstraction, but when it comes to the Vipers and Jackals in New Vegas or the Gunners in Fallout 4, you're completely fine with them having zero hierarchy or internal structure, because in your words the former was only meant as a Fallout 1 reference and the latter has named bosses so that makes it all okay that there's no central direction or admin.

Either way, I'm done arguing with you since you're obviously a NEET with unlimited free time to sit here playing dumb to keep a dead thread bumped.

>>568582929
>Gunners in Fallout 4
>you're completely fine with them having zero hierarchy or internal structure,
Except as established the Gunners have a rather elaborate hierarchy and internal structure that is so vast as to go beyond the scope of the game world.
In this particular area 4 lore is just superior it seems.

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>>568548296
No offense taken.

I'm also a fan of Deathclaws and Deathclaw accessories.

>>568575234
hard. : (

>>568575503
It's kind of a funny idea of hooking up an LLM to a ZAX supercomputer and then sitting in Fallout talking to it. A nerd at a computer playing a nerd talking to a computer.

>>568583617
Who runs the Gunners?

>>568583861
In the general Commonwealth area? Captain Wes.

>>568584001
Who runs the Gunners as a whole?

>>568584070
Who grasps at straws?

>>568584001
General Wes doesn’t run the Gunners.
He’s a commander. He commands.

>>568584326
Your mother. I frequently tell her to do so before I rail her from behind.

>>568584490
All the other gunners follow his commands which makes him the runner of the gunners (in the game)

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If mini-bosses count as leaders because they command a unit, then every Super Mutant Master is a leader btw.

>>568584872
You're not a commander if you command dumb dumbs

>>568584731
Who does he take orders from?

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>>568585493
Mars

Ngl, fallout 4 character modding be kinda ass with the physics being an afterthought and rusty face happening if you are not careful. Skyrim just works.

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>Additionally, various generic Gunner majors, colonels, and brigadiers can all spawn as leveled enemies (at higher levels than Gunner captains spawn, indicating they are higher-ranked)

Man is THIS mad he got schooled with some Fallout 4 lore his ignorant mind didn't fathom

>>568581854
how big would mutant behemoth's be if their model wasn't scaled up?
>that massive fire hydrant and oversized skulls

>>568585725
The Legion are the Gunners?
Source?

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>>568584490
>>568584731
>>568584872
>>568585897
Y'all's entire conversation, quite literally.

>>568588636
Uh oh, he brought out the N word, Timmy is MAD

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I wonder what the Fallout universe is like in the US South. There's convo's about Florida with Disney and NASA considerations, but I find myself curious what the vibe in the Georgia to Virginia coast would be like. I guess it'd really just be that swampy area of 76.

>>568588636
Southern Pride, boy.

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man if only bethesda put as much effort into writing their fallout games as besthesda fans put into defending the writing of their fallout games