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Removed rivalsframedata.com from the OP because it's been dead for a few weeks. But have a picture of Clairen's dash grab.

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Best wife.

Hello everyone complaining about Clairen, I just wanted to talk about how everyone complaining has been blatantly spreading misinformation about a character they know nothing about. The amount of people who clearly have ZERO understanding of how to fight Clairen is crazy. And not only that but all of you idiots who play other characters do not understand the amount of work a lot of Clairen players put into labbing out certain routes and situations. I know that most of the other character playerbases barely even attempt to do this. I, Rongunshu, Boiko, Nard, Vibe, Stroder, Landon, and other really good Clairens are discussing things DAILY to try to improve and everyone complaining has very clearly not put a single amount of work into actually trying to understand the character. If other characters put the amount of time we did into ours, maybe you could actually be half decent at the game and not hardstuck diamond. Most of you mfers complaining are either just complete dogass at the game or complete dogass against Clairen. GROW UP!

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What's everyone favorite flavor of Galvan player
>the neutral special spammer
>the reverse nair spammer
>the dair spammer
>the dtilt spammer
>the chaingrabber
>the chaingrabber (literal)
>the one who actually knows how to play Galvan

It's over!
galvan killed this game.

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Is RoA2 now a Discord fighter? Came across the Melee subreddit seething at Nintendo. Reminded me of this game and NASB2. Bought it a while back but forgot about it. Game looks much less gimmicky than Melee and supports higher frame rates. Hope Dan fixes the game and makes it bounce back like Ubisoft did with Siege and For Honor.

>>2020778
NA West and I can easily find matches any time except ass o'clock on weekdays, by which I mean 3AM - 5AM PST. Weekday afternoons and weekends (any time) I find opponents within 5-30s. So no, it's not a Discord fighter. Maybe if you live outside of the US or EU it is, though.
>Game looks much less gimmicky than Melee
Are you talking about NASB2 or RoA2? RoA2 is fundamentally more gimmicky than Melee, but it's by design - whereas Melee's gimmicks are mostly esoteric miscellanea, like Peach's dsmash hitting you for 60+% if you CC, Game & Watch being unable to L-cancel, Mario being able to wall jump out of up B, Dr. Mario being able to up B cancel, Link's moonwalk up B cancel, ICs desyncs, wobbling, etc.

>Hope Dan fixes the game
I think the game is in a good spot as far as balance and character balance goes. Maypul and Clairen are still obnoxious as fuck to fight, though. tl;dr we'll have to wait until 1. Workshop support and 2. console release before we're able to judge whether the game gets a broader audience.

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Forsbone

>>2020859
Was talking about RoA2 being less gimmicky than Melee. Good to know the game still has more chances. Today, I'll try to see if I like Forsburn.

>>2021139
Good luck. He's fun but has to work a bit harder than other characters, at least as soon as you encounter people who know how to floorhug cape.

>>2020869
>against a heavy
Not a real clip, sorry
>>2020872
This counts as the only actual clip ever posted to this general, a bit noobie but I'll take it

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Crew battle mode is great, but there's something wrong with the netcode. It feels fine until there's a near-miss, and then the rollback is very noticeable. I guess it's a "beta" for a reason.

>>2021367
I'm going back to fraudulent characters after Halloween, Forsburn is really un-fun to play against players who love floorhugging and sitting in shield.

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>people keep ragequitting
Why is everybody such a fucking faggot?

>>2024221
ragequit too
show them that what they're doing is not cool

>>2024221
Do you actually play your wife, by any chance?

To anyone who doubts that the Workshop is going to get infinitely more eyes on the game, here's a Losers top 8 set of Hitfall 4's Workshop bracket outperforming both
>a high level Galvan mirror match
>grand finals
from LMMM. The rest of the bracket isn't a slouch at all in terms of view count.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlSY5LT45v8

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>>2024835
Yes.
>>2024841
Its super dependent if the few 3d modders that rivals have the interest or new come in just to make modded characters. The few people doing modding at the moment are super introverted, egotistic assholes, and its impossible to get a project going. I think that, at least, there will be a lot of mesh swap mods so you can have Lucina Clairen and such. (technically you can do it at the moment, but nobody shares their completed work or quits half-way)

>>2024849
It depends on whether PM modders are retarded or not, really. 2D vs. 3D workflow is a matter of personal preference, and there are already a lot of experience 3D modders in the platform fighter community due to PM, Melee, and even Ultimate. The fact that
>RoA2 officially supports modding
>RoA2 will have modding documentation
>RoA2 will allow player to use mods online with the game's own netcode
>Aether Studios won't send you a cease & desist for hosting PM tournaments
is logically enough to attract modders. So it's really up to the modders themselves. I think the only significant issue with RoA2 Workshop is that 3D is a higher barrier to entry than 2D, although it's arguably easier once you know how to do it.

workshop will be fine and will not be dependent on any specific modders

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Clairen won

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>>2025647
>Clairen is the most popular character
>350,000 match difference between Clairen and 2nd place
>44,000 match difference between 2nd and 3rd places
I'm noticing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oKz_ovftws

bump

>>2029727
you shouldn't have done that

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>got hit by tipper bair into dstrong one too many times
>go into training mode
>turn on hitboxes
>tfw
What the literal fuck is this, Dan

>>2024849
>>2024923
>>2025245
The game feels empty, reminds me of Paladins open beta. Makes me want to stop playing until workshop support arrives. What a shame because modern controller support, high framerates and higher resolutions are great.

>>2031423
What do you mean with "feels empty"

>>2031452
not him but the game barely has content at all. i shouldn't have to post a list of content the game should have, you get the idea

>>2020468
yea

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>another low poly event
>which means another month of Ranno not getting a skin
It's getting comical

https://www.twitch.tv/rivalsofaether
these streams are always so awkward.

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no skill? no problem

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3H22jAcx18
New skinslop, now featuring stageslop
>only have 80k coins banked but want to buy Kragg and Ranno's old retro skins

>>2043651
love these trailers. I love how much Dan and co hate the stupid frog, very based.

>>2043651
wow
more skins...

>>2043938
Rivals 2 is saved

>>2044089
quite the opposite
you can't sell skins if no one is playing your game

>>2044097
There's more than enough skin paypigs out there to justify spamming the game with them

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reverse utilt hitbox

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>>2049901

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>Rongonshu smiling as he hits Clairen cheese after Clairen cheese
>The Zetterburn tranny SD'ing to get out of game 1 early and visibly raging
I formally apologize to all Clairen players. You guys are alright.

>>2050192
umm what are you watching

>Sandstorm in winners
>Sophilo ACKing
>Mystery Sol sneaking his way into top 8 with Galvan
>Elkies in top 8
They're pandering to me hard with this script

>>2050238
port priority 9

>>2050307
>elkies top 8
Damn now I gotta watch this.

tag me when its on or whatever

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>>2051284
It's been on: https://www.twitch.tv/rivalsofaether
>Sandstorm brutally mogging
>Ant suffering Absa's MU spread
>Rongonshu making Clairen seem sick
>lolcakewins
>Ranno continuing to get zero representation

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>cakewinslol
I'm beginning to believe the "Forsburn is actually broken" propaganda. Great tournament, though.

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goofy

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>>2057275
stupid fcuking water dog

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>>2057818
Whats wrong with him?

what's up with all these one and done faggots on casual

>get finish getting raped by the most boring Loxodont player I've ever fought in casual
>try casual again
>sperg Maypul player
>try ranked
>it's the same Loxodont, he's master rank
>try ranked again
>player 300 MMR higher than me
>player 200 MMR higher than me
>player 300 MMR higher than me
>finally match with someone my rank
>ping randomly spikes to 999
fuck this game lmao

>>2060890
Where are you from? NA or EU?

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But aren't girls cutest when they're almost retarded

>>2062572
they're cutest when they act psychotic, not retarded

>>2061686
NA

>Vampire Zetterburn doesn't have a shadow
What the fuck, I never noticed this

Soulful detail

did they pay hbox to watch heatwave?

>>2064654
They also paid 250k to Mango to play the game for a year.

>>2064654
If they did, they should ask for a refund because he was basically off the clock.

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Huh, why is he in the files?

>>2065190
It could be because hes in the new stage skin, weird that hes with other characters.

>>2065190
He's in Galvan's stage skin, but I don't know if this is the same model. Maybe it was just convenient to copy a generic character template to animate him, rather than implementing him as some sort of unique prop.

I'd check the model, but I don't have the stage skin.

post Fleet

https://x.com/Plup_Club/status/1990640135717679352
>get rank 1 playing random only
>refuse to stream
>leave
Based I wish he'd stream

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVBH-q2Tg3Q

>>2066563
Can't blame him. There not being any competition gets boring fast

JUST FUCK MY CONTROLS UP BEYOND REPAIR

>>2067716
I can't help but feel that I picked a good time to take a break from the game.
These patches definitely need better QA. Every single patch there's 1-2 days of scrambling to fix bugs.

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>another top smash player canceled for sexual assault
Rivals just can't stop winning
By which I mean it can't stop sitting at 500 players with more threatening to quit the game every week

>>2069012
>feel like quitting
>try other plat fighters
>theyre dog shit and have to come back for danslop

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>>2069047
I just wish the game was a little bit more relaxing. The ease of everything means that there's tons of hyperactive Zetterburn, Ranno, Maypul, and Clairen players who are exhausting to fight, and every character and every move being so good means that there aren't organic breaks in the gameplay where you can breathe. The Danslop is intoxicating, but it's too much for me at times.

It's why I like fighting a character like Kragg, in contrast with a character like Clairen. Kragg doesn't have a lot of good ways to get in and has to rely on alternating between normals, grabs, and specials to earn neutral wins through conditioning. He has distinct weaknesses to exploit, while his strengths are conditional. There's an ebb and flow to fighting him that's fun.
It's hard to breathe against characters like Clairen, Maypul, and Zetterburn, especially if they're played well. Zetterburn at least has an exploitable disadvantage statement and mediocre recovery, but Clairen and Maypul feel like they're always "on" and it's exhausting to deal with them no matter what you do.

1 billion years in MS Paint.

>>2069109
Thats my problem with the game. It's too easy to play and it's a fast game. This results in hundreds of shitters just spamming their controllers and being completely insufferable to play against. Makes me not want to play. Melee unironically does it just right. It's hard enough to play that it mellows everything out and make things more based around fundamentals than just being le epic fast and pressing buttons really fast. At a high level it's both fast and fundies based but I don't play at a high level so I get to just relax.

It'd be better if PM heads stopped gaslighting people into thinking that dog shit spacing being unpunishable is good game design but here we are.

>>2069748
yep..

>heard that the most recent patch broke everyone's controls
>finally bother to boot up the game
>nothing happened to me
Okay. I don't doubt that other people are having issues.

>>2069748
The nerfs will continue until morale improves.

>>2072224
controllers are different

>>2072226
I know, I'm just saying I almost feel disappointed that I'm not affected. I wanted to know how much of a fuck-up it was.

>>2072239
This should put things into perspective https://x.com/HenArten/status/1991239104109924564

>>2072247
I thought this was an unrelated issue that had to do with the input buffer being cleared. Forsburn players were complaining about it last patch and it was hotfixed. Maybe it's related to the current controller issues. Either way, this is easily the worst patch they've released.

>>2072247
Everything works on my machine. GCC cheating trannies are on suicide watch because they need to input something clearly, lmao.

>>2072291
I use a GCN controller with an unofficial Mayflash adapter and nothing has changed for me.

>>2072420
So its literally software issue.

>>2072258
>this is easily the worst patch they've released
not even close
it was the dec 3rd patch followed by the aug 19th one

>>2069012
Who?

>>2073690
Onin, the best Steve player in the US. Bizarrely, it's only an 8 month ban, despite Mang0 being banned indefinitely for something much more innocuous.

Are they even hotfixing this shit?

>>2076379
????
nothing is broken

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>>2082512
I got a topic to talk about:

>>2082525
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/urban-raccoons-are-showing-signs-of-early-domestication-with-shorter-snouts-than-their-rural-cousins-180987729/

>>2082512
New character never

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>>2083447
Shes coming to me.

>>2083447
having a raccoon as a pet does sound pretty cool

>stupid fucking christmas skins
oh boy
just give me my damn forsburn changes a month late, we all know there will be no floorhugging changes

>>2090487
Oh, this is old art. Just release the snake already.

hopes
>forsburn ftilt and utilt changed to better reflect their respective hitboxes and frame data
>clairen changes
>floorhugging further nerfed
>stricter wall techs
>literally any change that improves whiff punishing
expectations
>forsburn nerfs
>loxodont nerfs
>clairen untouched
>floorhugging untouched
>store previews break
>a bunch of random skins break for no reason
>they forgot to make at least one previous christmas skin eligible for the event

Balance changes are usually mid-month, but still an absolutely shit tier patch. Even better, we're going into the holiday season so expect excuses for having nothing for the next 2-3 patches as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNbuor0b2fI
3 out of the 4 event skins are in this artwork >>2090487

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>>2096230
>no elfpul
>>2094388
idk what were you expecting. Balance changes happen on new character releases. Half the playerbase is yelling for big 2 balance patches a year while others yelling for more balance changes.
I do wonder when the next character will be revealed.

>>2096304
i wouldn't be expecting much in the way of character-specific balance changes if it weren't for the fact that November's patch mentioned that they were delaying Forsburn changes intended for that month.
>half the playerbase...
pragmatically speaking, the playerbase needs to accept that RoA2 is for all intents and purposes an early access game, and is subject to change - even if you ignore that there are systems and mechanics that need to be tweaked further. i think more frequent patches are good for the game, as long as they don't fundamentally alter how it's actually played. for example, the auto-floorhug patch and the patch that crippled orcane. we're still walking back auto-floorhug, and orcane has simply been left adrift without a clear identity.

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My wife belongs in a jar for doing this to me.

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look at this elf

realistically when are we getting a character trailer
>etalus reveal on dec. 19th, release on january 21st
33 days between trailer and release
>olympia reveal on feb. 16th, release on april 2nd
26 days since etalus, 45 day wait
59 days between trailers
>absa reveal on may 25th, release on july 1st
53 days since olympia, 37 day wait
98 days between trailers
>galvan reveal on august 1, release on october 7th
31 days since absa, 67 day wait
68 days between trailers
>currently
61 days since galvan's release as of today
128 between trailers as of today

this is already the longest wait and it's not like there's been a lot of other content added to the game between character releases. i'm going to be optimistic and assume that they're dedicating their resources to workshop.

>>2109462
Christmas. I also doubt they will be able to do 4 characters next year. Probably cutting down on the team.

>>2109677
well it's 4 on the roadmap so they've fucked themselves if so.
i do wonder how much money they're making. i swear every time there's a patch immediately see plenty of people with new cosmetics you can't buy with coins.

>>2109724
Probably a couple of -tens of Ks a month. You could look up the stupid piratesoftware skin that they did and how much money they donated at what rate. It should give you a basic estimate for one of those skins.
Gamessales don't make a lot these days. Id say 1-2k a month without a sale. Also, whales will continue to fuel the game. This is why this business model was completely the right call.
As for expenses I believe its 30 people on payroll, so that's a lot of money going out.
Bottom line is: Dan is working with budget going down. If workshop/SP kicks off, maybe he the team can keep going with this pace forward.

>>2110614
do you need some sort of godlike graphics card to post 2 minute long webms thats under 4mb somehow?

>>2110625
>godlike graphics card
video encoding is done on the cpu, not gpu
>2 minute long webms thats under 4mb
just use the best encoding setting (on vp9 the preset is literally named 'best'), find the right bitrate to keep the file size only a bit below of 4MB and change the framerate to 30 fps.

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>>2110614
Theres people playing FFA? Or do you go on discord for lobbies?

>>2110642
nvm its vs CPU. God, thats just sad.

>>2110642
>>2110644
i don't know why he does it

>>2110642
>>2110644
kek

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ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING LOXODONT PLAYERS

>>2109462
what's that? you want more costumes! you got it, four more months of nothing but shitty costumes!

>>2109760 #
Even so I bet they were expecting more people to be playing for a higher amount of whales.
Sucks they went the direction they did with the mechanics, it could have kept a lot more players.

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for all the complaints i have about this game, i will say that i've never played a platform fighter where finally clicking with a character feels so fucking satisfying.
i've played a lot of Melee, and i can tell within seconds of picking up a character whether i'll click with them or not. and, sadly, some of the characters i like aren't very good (Mario, Link). and when i played Ultimate, i picked up every character and played them until they were in Elite Smash and i was satisfied that i understood their design. but almost all of Ultimate's roster falls within two homogeneous archetypes: auto-cancel aerial spammer or gimmick character. i was disappointed by how shallow the game's character design was.

RoA's characters continue to interest me 100, 200, 300 levels into learning them. i always feel like i'm finding new things to do with them.

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>>2109462
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_b0S1OiOvE
La Reina out of fuckin' nowhere

>>2114042
>another shit heavyweight character
t-thanks dan

>>2114073
she rooka rike a midweight, maybe a borderline heavy like orcane.

>>2114042
>inceneroar with a bland unoriginal gimmick
Lesgooooo

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web'ma

>>2114084
please share your epic original character design, with the class, 2114084

>>2114120
>you are not allowed to criticize anything unless you have already done it but better
Low iq argument. Im not a dev, I do not design characters, this character design is still god awful. Also her voice doesn't fit the character at all

>>2114144
well, what would you have a grappler do that you would consider more interesting

>>2114144
Bro doesnt know about mexican luchadoras

>>2114042
She's earth, right? Making this the 5th earth character?

>>2114193
yes. sylvanos isn't going to be showing up for a long time, thank god.

>>2114153
Something more original. Let's put it this way. If your characters kit can easily be described by saying "it's just inceneroar and beowulf combined" then it's design is bad. even if this weren't the case the design is still so bland for roa2. The chair functions too similar to a bunch of other things in the game like absas thunder thing that you can place on the stage or some other thing idk I barly remember what these characters do

>>2114309
>dropping the "idk i dont remember" excuse
>dodging the question

Even the normal moves are so boring and stale. Like waaow the nair pops them up slightly and the fair sends them straight to the left of right? Wow what a very inter3sting kit wooooww

>>2114316
The answer to your question was "something original". If you cant comprehend that idk what to tell you. It's not up to the player to design the game for the dev, figure it out

>>2114319
>your
you're not replying to the OP

>>2114309
did you play La Reina in RoA1? she does have some unique stuff, like some of her normals being hitgrabs. anyway, i'm waiting for the video / stream where they actually explain how her kit translated to RoA2.
being able to magnetize her chair as well as magnetize herself to it is also a unique mechanic. of course you can draw comparisons between it and other mechanics like Maypul's tether, but it's a disingenuous comparison. it would be like saying that Lily and Orcane's puddle are equivalent because they're both persistent stage hazards. they have completely different functions within the characters' kits.

you can draw comparisons between Rivals and / or Smash characters all day, but even direct analogues are vastly different. like Forsburn's up special incorporates elements of Sheik's up B and Meta Knight's down B, but it functions differently from both of these.

>>2114319
Answering with "something original" is not a real answer, you were asked to come up with something to make it original and you are not giving a real answer whatsoever, plus all roa characters are just combinations of other type of characters from smash.

>>2114334
How do you expect me to answer this question? The nest is could realistically do is show you and im not a character designer

>>2114042
hell yeah. but I thought la reina was going to be the second character of 2026, not the first?

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>try to queue into dev crews
>queue into the Galvan death squad instead
loving every laugh

>>2114350
nta but it's just not really productive or useful criticism. there's nothing wrong with thinking "this is bad because i don't like it" but you should at least spend some time to think about what you would like or how you could improve it outside of "it would be good if it wasn't what i dislike about it."
personally, i don't think it's bad that she has an onstage element like other characters because she interacts with it in many more ways than any other character. absa's cloud is the probably the most versatile so far, it controls space, sets up 1-2 combos, extends combos and edgeguards/ledgetraps. la reina seems to transcend all of those gimmicks in a way that takes advantage of the freeform nature of a platform fighter. just because its existence pays homage to something else doesn't mean it's going to be exactly like the source material, and it clearly isn't 1:1 with beowulf OR incineroar, seeing how much more she leans into the chair as a part of her moveset. honestly the only thing she really has in common with incineroar is side b as far as i can remember, and that's by virtue of them both being wrestler styled characters. they don't function the same at all. she really is a lot more beowulf than anything else.

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he couldn't just let me be...

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i hate piloting this thing

please god just fucking nerf clairen in 2 weeks

>>2135143
>please god just fucking kill this game even more in 2 weeks after this dogshit character announcement
this is how you sound

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>>2135650
the reaction to la reina seems very positive everywhere except this charming little dung heap.

clairen has been terrorizing gold through diamond for more than a year. even if she isn't winning tournaments, she's consistently the most criticized character on the entire roster, which is an achievement considering the war criminals she's competing with. she simply isn't fun to fight against, and the game would do well to have at least one patch where she's not a persistent threat as the most played character (backed up by data).

you never saw too many clairens in roa1, wonder what changed

>>2135840
>Mash and grab the video game
>Giant ass sword that time stops you into a grab
>Insane throws

>>2136096
You just described Roa1 Clairen.

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>>2135840
i was curious as someone who didn't play much RoA1.

roa1 grounded speed data:
>maypul 9.0 run and dash speed
>ranno 7.5 run and dash speed
>clairen 6.5 run speed, 7.5 dash speed
5th highest run speed, 3rd highest dash speed (also longest dash length)
>zetterburn 6.5 run speed, 7.0 dash speed
>forsburn 6.0 run speed, 7.0 dash speed
roa1 air speed data:
>maypul 0.2 air accel, 6.0 max air speed
>clairen 0.35 & 4.0
3rd highest air accel, lowest air speed
>zetterburn and forsburn 0.3 & 4.0
>ranno 0.3 & 3.0

roa2 ground speed data:
>maypul 25.5 run speed, 22 dash speed
>clairen 20.1 run speed, 21.25 dash speed
2nd highest run and dash speed, BTFO'ing ranno and surpassing Orcane
>ranno 19.25 run speed, 21.25 dash speed
>zetterburn 18 run speed, 20 dash speed
>forsburn 17 run speed, 20 dash speed
roa2 air speed data:
>maypul 0.7 air accel, 17 max air speed
>zetterburn 0.8 & 13
>clairen 0.75 & 11.35
very average, and her air acceleration was nerfed in an early patch
>forsburn 0.72 & 11.3
>ranno 0.64 & 8.54

in short, Clairen's grounded movement stats got giga-buffed for no apparent reason, and this aligns with how fucking annoying it is to play neutral against her in RoA2. i never played her in RoA1, but you can see how slow she is in comparison by looking at any tournament match. additionally, her 50/50 went from a special command grab to...

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>>2136955
... this

been playing a good amount of galvan while waiting for la reina. very fun character, it's just a shame he has absolutely no way to approach against passive players. i think i'll stick to playing him in casual where people are actually down to scrap.

>>2142047
It's not bad at all in my experience. It really depends on how much of a pussy your opponent is, which has nothing to do with the characters except how well theirs can run away or zone in neutral and how well yours can approach.
Only character I genuinely hate fighting is Orcane, because it's so rare to find someone who plays him in a fun way. He's just crippled right now.

stopped playing after the controller patch because it made it unplayable with my trigger tricked gc controller. boot back up today because surely by now theyve fixed it. NOPE same issue. great game

>>2143103
Sounds like a you problem.

>>2143309
Nah it's the game

>>2143103
report it https://rivals-of-aether-ii-patch-140.nolt.io/
they've fixed multiple bugs i've reported

i'm so bad at this game

>>2144512
Everyone is

merry christmas to you faggots

>>2075633
Mang0 got perma banned? Thought he begged TO's to stop talking about it and they didn't issued the ban publicly.
>>2069012
Can't get anyone IRL to bother to buy it. Feels bad man!

I stopped playing this game because they absa update didn't work on Linux and I was too lazy to find the fix that other Linux users found

>>2150409
I said indefinite because I didn't know whether the length of the ban had been decided on or not. Now I know it's a 1 year ban from competing. It's still ridiculous and Ludwig is still a snake. Speaking of which, fuck Ludwig for not using his platform to do Offbrand's job and promote the game.
>enters Wisely's Sajam Slam-esque event for RoA2
>one of like 20-30 content creators & coaches playing
>is the only person who doesn't stream a single set despite having 10x the viewership of everyone else combined
Supposedly he had food poisoning, but to anyone watching it looked like he didn't give a single fuck, SD'ing over and over whenever his matches were being streamed by another team.

Coney ended up doing the heavy lifting as far as viewership went. It actually did well, which surprised me.

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merry christmas. i come bearing gifts of fucking around with dolly cam.

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anyway, it's cool but it's a bit annoying to use if you don't get the approximate camera movement you want on your first try

>>2150678
Ludwig never gave a fuck about RoA2, he got away with fucking over Nintendo and Panda Global for attention. He's rich enough to pay someone to do the streaming work for him.

>>2149533
Merry Christmas, and here's to a new year full of ragebait threads about La Reina

>>2151554
Dw, I'll make more of those when she's released

>>2152006
pls no, I'd prefer actual discussion over /v/ sperging out over the cartoon ant being
>not sexy enough / too sexy
>too buff, even though ants are known for their strength
>female, even though male ants exist to fuck and die
Who am I kidding, /v/ can't talk about video games regardless

>>2152559
stop defending terrible designs

>>2152566
Found the /v/ sperg

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>>2152692

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>picked up RoA1 on sale
>my RoA2 characters feel weird and different
>download La Reina
>mfw
please feel the same in 2, please god

>>2152566
Genuine surprised you care more about character designs than the lack of content.

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>>2152932
you will never feel comfortable playing roa2 again

>>2155595
i won't like, i can see why some people prefer 1, but i just like both.

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the CPUs are ass but this is still pretty fun

I look forward to playing Reina for a day then getting bored because floorfucking is still in the game.

>>2162235
Dan knows best. If he says its a good mechanic that means its a good mechanic. Everyone else is WRONG

>>2162240
I hope Combo Devils comes out in 2026.

>>2162242
Any games like Smash coming out soon? Combo Devils looks cool.

>>2165637
i like how you made the text largely unreadable, nice touch

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>>2165670
>look up the OP because I can't read it
>mfw he's STILL crashing out over Kragg and lame players
https://x.com/CONEY/status/2007163613933662491
This is exactly the same shit he was repeating ad nauseam during the crew battle bullshit that Wisely was doing, specifically about Kragg being designed "10 years ago".

Brother, you cannot magically will other players into not throwing rock three times in a row as Kragg, no more than you can will other Smash Ultimate players into not playing Steve, Snake, Game & Watch, Min-Min, ROB, Sonic, and Luigi; or SF6 players into not doing Ryu's drive rush overheard mix-ups; or 2XKO players into playing any team except Ekko & Yasuo. You can't even PAY 2XKO players to play other teams. There is no such thing as an ideal fighting game. You must always, ALWAYS compromise, whether you're playing Street Fighter, Tekken, Smash Bros., or Rivals of Dan Fornace's Basement Brawler 2. Even more absurd is the idea of an ideal fighting game populated by your ideal player. If you want people to play like they'd play friendlies at an in-person Project M local circa 2014, get the fuck off Ranked and play lobbies with human beings you can talk to.

I'm aware that it looks like I'm the one crashing out here, but I just dislike when content creators use their platform to bitch.

>>2165709
Melee seems to be the only game where you can expect people not to play lame. There exists jigglypuff, but aside from that everyone else is just playing the game. It has the lowest rates of lame players out of every other existing platform fighter/fighting game.

>>2166336
Is this even true in the age of Slippi? Whenever I get on Slippi, I inevitably end up fighting a Falco player who uses laser as a substitute for neutral, and I'm not consistent enough at powershielding to force them to cut that shit out. Or if it's not a netplay Falco, it's a sauceless Marth or Fox player whose only personality trait is whether they prefer uppers or downers. At least back when I went to locals it was easy to tell which was which.

I think there's some truth to the idea that Melee is difficult enough that it filters out people who would prefer to play lame. But on the other hand, one of the top 2 players in the world right now is the poster child for lame Fox players. And there are a ton of top players who are or were considered "lame" by their peers:
>Trif
>Kodorin
>M2K
>Hungrybox
>Fiction
>Chudat
>Dizzkidboogie
etc., not to mention all the Puff players. Hell, even Zain was considered lame for a few years.

The more I think about this, the more I think the issue of "lame" players is the result of the way we play fighting games changing thanks to online and rollback netcode. You don't need to go to locals or practice with people IRL anymore to get good. (On the other hand, the Japanese Ultimate scene has TONS of locals and they are some of the lamest players on the planet.)

I'm fully prepared for La Reina to be absolutely broken on release

>>2165709
>>2167087
These posts made me think about "lame" play styles and having an "ideal" fighting game. Could these things be related on how the public interacts with the medium at different skill levels? Spectator appeal, casual play, friendlies, online ranked and power ranking have different types of consumers. There's this recent negative behavior where players aren't mature enough for losing at video games. Fighting games are notorious for that. Wished Rivals 2 had VC or text chat to help others on how to play the game. These shortcomings condition lame play styles at a lower experience level.

Coney always had bad takes since SSB4, Rivals 2 is designed around a game from 2001. LMAO

it's really not that deep. You fight someone holding down after everything they do, to beat this you do the same things over and over and hold down after everything you do. Both people blame the other person for being lame, no one is happy

>>2167331
>Wished Rivals 2 had VC or text chat
I loathe how modern fighting games are terrified of letting you talk to the people you're playing with. There's a post on Nolt right now bitching about "toxicity", and I want to bitch slap the OP. People need to grow the fuck up, you're right.

>>2170173
You can very likely go out and hit La Reina at any point that she's doing tricks with the chair. In fact, the very next clip on Stang0's timelines is him doing exactly that with Galvan (and then proceeding to die because he went for Galvan's rapid jab, which fucking sucks): https://x.com/StangoSSBM/status/2007818172314046623
>barely whiffs a second bair that would have killed
>opts for rapid jab instead of jab 2 into ftilt, which would have killed

I do think that La Reina should go into pratfall after the second piledriver like she does in RoA1, and her down special shouldn't refresh if she touches ledge, only the ground. And considering how balance changes related to recoveries have trended:
>giving Ranno a greater delay before he can double jump out of tongue sling
>nerfing Orcane's side special
>nerfing Clairen's side special
>nerfing Olympia's side special so she can't jump out of it
It'll likely be the first thing that happens to her.

But on edgeguarding in general, I mostly play Olympia, and the majority of my opponents don't do anything to actually stop her primary recovery mix-up even though it's perfectly within their character's power. Some players will let me rat trick from the blast zone and grab ledge for free because they think
>Oh, there's no way Olympia's making it back
All you have to do to prevent low rat trick is ledgehog her. Others will let me gem dash 3 times in a row offstage because they just fucking refuse to go offstage and break gem when it's 5 feet from the wall. And then there's the Fleet players who refuse to use float fair to break down special's no matter how many times I FADC directly to ledge, but enough.
A lot of players just aren't edgeguarding when they have the resources to do it, and do nothing to expend their opponent's resources. They'll take one cautious jump offstage with full resources, say, "Oh no, I'm about to get mixed / reversal'd," and back off. At least take the %.

>>2170173
>you should have just as many options to edgeguard than the other guy has to escape the edgeguard
Also, how do you have fewer resources when edgeguarding than recovering?

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>patch isn't even out yet
>Zetterburn players are having public meltdowns over global changes that half the early access playtesters didn't even notice
I have doomposting fatigue

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2217000/view/501718945006358632
Patch is up. Too many changes to list.

yea reina is broken

how do you punish reina's special ledge attack? shit's so fast and pops her in the air. everything she does pops her in the air.

>>2172087
Have you pressed one of your bumpers?

>>2172120
You are insufferable. Are all ROA2 players this cunty over basic questions?

>>2172134
Just shield it

>>2172134
Yes

>>2171430
>sandstormgg: character is mid
>sandstormgg: no one is going to play her

la reina's fun but i can't fucking kill with her

>>2162235
>exactly as predicted
Welp

>>2174454
don't worry they'll "nerf" it next patch and then blame you for leaving again

Dan communicating with the community is a double-edged sword. Dan clearly cares and developers do need to dig their feet in and defend their design philosophy, but doing it on Twitter and unscripted developer streams is providing fuel to frustrated players who want to fan the flames of discontent.

That said, I don't blame Dan even if I think it's a bad idea. I watched an hour or so of early access La Reina streams and it was exhausting. Both streams I watched had 3+ players sitting in a Discord call, reacting to La Reina, and it was just
>THIS IS SO BROKEN, HAHAHA
>THIS IS SO STUPID, HAHAHA
Too many players have hyperbolic perspectives on characters and patches. Like they're calling La Reina uair broken, and then the next day everyone realizes you have an eternity to DI out during the animation. I'd be crashing out on social media if I had to listen to these annoying doomer-zoomers on Nolt, Discord, Twitter, and Reddit.

The obvious solution is to get the fuck off these sites and hire someone to filter through the garbage for you.

https://x.com/i/status/2009369019061817528
Dan's down bad again

>>2175363
>not plup
i sleep

>i think this game is sick, it's tons of fun and i hope it gets more attention with time
stfu armada stop being positive

I think people were gassing up La Reina way too hard, this character has terminal Marthitis

>>2176757
People gas up every character, pretend they're heccin cool and fun, then the honeymoon phase dies down and they all get bored of it then stop playing altogether while waiting for the next character. It's a cycle that will repeat on until the game eventually dies

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>>2177211
>pretend
I do think La Reina is fun, though. And everyone I've watched play her (while trying to figure how to fucking kill with her) has had nothing but positive things to say about the character's design. No one pretended that Etalus and Absa are fun (except Animal, Adam, and Ant, maybe there's something in the A-name's water).

But the curse of >>2155595 is half-true. She feels off because I'm used to her RoA1 version now. The chair especially doesn't feel right to me, it sends at a much more consistent inward direction in 1. Not to mention that it's missing the satisfying metal thunk. They should fix that, at least.

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>watching plub's la reina
>someone asks how RoA2 could get a bigger player base
>well... they could pay big streamers to play the game
>mfw remembering that Ludwig paid Mang0 to stream the game for X months and then he just... didn't (and then got cancelled)
>mfw remembering that Ludwig was very conveniently the only person who didn't stream Wisely Wars despite owning the company that's supposed to promote the fucking game and having one gorillion Twitch and YouTube followers
i'd probably be fucking seething at Offbrand if I was in Aether Studio's position. Fucking Lucky, whom Mang0 lets stream on his account, has probably put in more hours making RoA2 look good to an audience.

>>2178171
its true that the game is getting fucked in the marketing department but at the end of the day it is a barebones compfag game. the numbers were never going to be particularly high unless every compfag in the niche showed up and stayed loyal (impossible when smash exists). they really shouldve prioritized workshop as well.

>>2178810
they're prioritizing workshop before console release, so we'll see. i'm expecting a workshop beta by march. some people are upset that they're prioritizing workshop over console release, but i think it's the correct choice. console release REALLY needs to be polished and they're still getting all sorts of performance complaints even on PC. i don't know how / why, my fucking laptop can run it.

>>2178171
You cant force people to play the game. It just needs to be good enough and people will come naturally. Thats a more respectable way to get more players.

>>2179019
i think casuals just need more casuals to play against. there are a lot of players in plat and diamond whom, had i the physical means, i would greatly enjoy shoving into a locker. i know how to play the game, i shudder to imagine how people who don't feel about these subhumans. it's kind of a self-fulfilling failure: lower levels of play suck because there aren't enough low level players. in other games, these are attracted with. with IP wankery and singleplayer content. RoA2, by its nature, fails in both of those regards.

maybe evo. maybe not.

La reina is so fucking sexy omg man

side note casual here and holy fuck these maps suck

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I'm so ass at the game I just play against bots.

>wake up
>la reina is a mid tier
wow
who would have thought

reina is mid tier if youre boring
reina is top tier if you like going for hard reads

>>2181279
I've come to the conclusion that she needs the chair way more than her Ro1 counterpart. People are going to need to lab chair setups to do disgusting stuff with her, she's just too stubby and slow otherwise.

>"special" dev stream tomorrow
>promo art has a weird green background instead of the usual pink one
i assume this is the
>hey guys workshop soon here's how it works pls be patient
stream

>>2179019
>It just needs to be good enough and people will come naturally.
Project M and Rushdown Revolt laugh at your naïveté.

>>2182700
>Project M
Did extremely well, far better than any other Smash mod in regards to building a competitive scene, and only died when it was murdered by a combinations of blacklists and legal pressure.
>Rushdown Revolt
Is this bait?

>>2181872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxVUEdCARG4
It was indeed Workshop beta

>>2182700
Project M had very active brackets up until TOs started getting spooked by Nintendo and dropped it unceremoniously. And then Nintendo did actually intervene and PM tournaments were exiled from venues to the Best Western down the street.
>Rushdown Revolt
You mean Icons 2.0? The dumpster fire that squandered any and all goodwill from potential players like three times over?

>>2182700
>pm
Literally everyone loved pm
>rushdown revolt
Lol

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>take a break
>getting raped by platinum shitters
It's weird: when I watch other, better players play, it's like their opponents just don't block, parry, or floorhug anything. But when I play
>I'm like .2s late to every punish
>even when I'm not, they just floorhug everything

>>2184549
It's because they do a good job at overwhelming their opponents, which makes them play worse as a result

>>2185566
they are gonna need a second platform

>>2185566
Wretched, thank you

>>2185566
My wife is not fat!

Make La Reina's dtilt worse, give her dair and ustrong more lenient hitboxes like RoA1, give the chair a satisfying metal hit sound effect, and I'll be happy.

They finally balanced Clairen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKHN5OyI6AI

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>>2187579
I like that this guy released a tutorial a day later https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih0EtyLQQw8
Also, I look forward to people just balancing the characters themselves as a proof of concept. I genuinely want to see someone release a version of Clairen where her run speed is actually proportional to her RoA1 run speed. Imagine modded versions of every character where their attacks actually have endlag. The Noltposting possibilities are endless.

>UE5 has an in-engine animation editor
>you can splice together animations
Crazy

We need clairen but without the timestop gimmick pronto

What is wrong with the input in this game? I keep stumbling on the same weird behavior where I try to reverse wavedash, or whatever it's called, but I keep moving on the exact opposite direction my character is facing. And I am not talking about as if I've pressed the sequence too fast, it's like my inputs from dozens of frames ago got "stuck" in the buffer. I can drop the control entirely and wave dash into a given direction, and my character will still move to the opposite direction. It's maddening

>>2178171
I like the game, and I even think it's the best fighting game out there, but if there's one thing we've learned in the last decade is that the public does not like PLAYING fighting games. It's an unforgiven, niched genre, which is a tough sell

>>2189660
Have you looked at your input history in training mode? Sounds like some hardware issue desu.

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>>2190457
Okay.

>>2182700
This post is correct about Rushdown Revolt and Project M. RDR/Icons failing and getting laughed at shows the shortcomings of what not to do when making a game about the competitive Melee gameplay loop. My respect to the devs who held on with their artistic vision.

In the other hand, let's not pretend Project M was a good product. For a Brawl mod on an easily modded console, best thing to ever happen on Wii HB. You are either naive or delusional if you think Nintendo was going to embrace it like Valve. Nintendo being such a heavy handed Japanese company scared of piracy. As a mod, it wasn't interesting enough for Nintendo to support. They still sold games like Brawlhalla, RoA1, Slap City and NASB2 on the eShop.

>>2189672
Sure, Smash Ultimate sold 37M copies and Multiversus peaked at 153.4K on Steam alone. Everyone moved on, but it's not hopeless to play and promote games in this genre.

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>boot up game
>queue casual
>immediately matched with a guy on my retarded wavelength
>play 40 fucking matches with him
When this game's fun, it's fun

>>2191676
Still needs voice chat

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>>2191689
We're never getting voice chat in a fighting game ever again

>>2191695
I just want to help the other guy to not quit the game :(

>>2191702
For every 1 player who will use voice chat like a normal human being, there are 2 who will use it to call their opponents niggers and faggots. No developer wants to deal with that in 202X. There are already enough bitches on Nolt butthurt that there are trash-talking emotes.

>>2191706
MW2 mic spammers telling you to kys back in the day were more easygoing than these sissy killjoys.

Getting people to try the game is hard. Feel like gaming discourse is impossible now, because so many people are in their bubble from a handful of specific genres. Maybe Steam Workshop and FEX will help bring in more players.

>>2191753
Typing is fine, would prefer both since I play on controller.

>>2191785
Bitches brigading devs to make themselves feel good.

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>>2191769
>Getting people to try the game is hard
Workshop is going to take a while to get off the ground. I'm not expecting any original characters for at least 2-3 months. I'm expecting some uber autistic fan base with enough NEET trannies to do the heavy lifting, like Undertale / Deltarune or Pseudoreglia, to produce some of the earliest characters.

I doubt whether Smashfags will EVER play the game. I can understand Melee players because it's so distinct from RoA2 and much more technically demanding, but Ultimate players perplex me. Ultimate has been out for 8 years, everyone knows that competitive Ultimate is a fucking farce; safe, auto-cancel aerials, spot dodge canceling, neutral air dodge, directional air dodge to ledge, 6f delay and 9f input buffer, 3f jumpsquat, footstool i-frames, and all the character-specific bullshit - it's all bad. Even if you delete every DLC character from the game, you're left with a meta where Sonic, Snake, G&W, ROB, Luigi, Diddy Kong, and Pikachu dominate.
You listen to these motherfuckers talk about the game and they're miserable. The input delay is ass, the online is ass, the meta is cancer, there's 2-4 more years of Ultimate before the next game, Luminosity is dead and there's no money in Smash, no one wants to travel to tournaments, top players keep taking "breaks" from the game, and more importantly
>Brawl was anti-competitive
>4 was anti-competitive
>Ultimate was polished, but anti-competitive
but they're drooling for Smash 6.

Smash was my first fighting game and I still play Melee / P+, but I just don't understand Smashfags' fanatical devotion to a series that simply abuses you more the more you try to get good at it.

>>2191839
Feel your pain, anon. In hindsight, it's painful how we've seen 3 Smash games since Evo 2013 and ROM 6 with no genre defining games outside of Nintendo. Hoping this year RoA2 gets more interest.

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>have time for exactly one cheeky casual set
>get raped to death by a grandmaster player on their main
Augh... g-... good games...

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>>>/v/731084706

New to this game, played Clairen a bit and had some success online. I'm trying to git gud as Fleet but it feels like she just wasn't designed for this game. She's absurdly slow and her gimmicks don't amount to anything compared to everyone else's. The amount of work you have to put in to get an arrow to hit and all you get in return is a little extra hitstun that can get reflected back to you. Is there something I'm missing? Getting caught off stage is basically a death sentence for me despite her float because she's just so slow and her up special just flat out sucks.

>>2193592
Clairen is a good beginner character. Fleet, on the other hand, has a much more difficult learning curve.

>her gimmicks
First off, yes, wind chime is a bad gimmick; however, float is an excellent gimmick in every game state: neutral, advantage, and disadvantage. But it's easily best in advantage, where it enables Fleet's edgeguarding.
>is there something I'm missing
Because Fleet actually has normal frame data in a game full of privileged degenerates, you really have to optimize your punish game. A lot of people like to play Fleet like a mid-range zoner, but BBatts definitely has the right idea playing her as a rushdown character because it results in more opportunities for optimal punishes. Options like utilt, float bair (to knock down), float uair (to tech chase and cover platform), jab grab, and really any grab are her party starters. As soon as you get something going, you want to push your opponent offstage to force an edgeguard scenario. I don't know Fleet's MUs very well, but I think her edgeguards boil down to
>against floaties and Kragg, you just bully them by covering their recoveries with float, nair, fair, and dair
>against fastfallers, you just carry them to the blast zone with a float combo, typically finishing with with bair or reverse bair
One nice thing about all of this is that you never have to hold flloat. Once you input float, it lasts for its full duration or until you cancel it.

I don't think she's that good when played as a mid-range zoner. Her arrows aren't that good: fstrong is good in specific tech chase scenarios, ustrong is a free kill depending on your opponent's DI, and side special is better at covering your approaches and recoveries than it is at being a proper projectile.

tl;dr she has a steep learning curve but she's actually a good character

>>2193684
Thanks for the info. Why do devs always make the cutest characters the hardest to play? I did play against a really good Fleet online who was doing combos I didn't know were possible. I gotta lab her out.
Also what's with all the La Reinas online? I'm not even exaggerating, 90% of people I fight are playing as her. Any tips to counter her? My reaction time is pretty slow so I always get caught in her grabs.

>>2194017
>Also what's with all the La Reinas online?
New character
>Any tips to counter her?
I don't know, I'm still learning the MU. Most of the time you can just bully her with anyone and anything that has respectable range because her best moves (nair, dtilt, jab, grab) are so stubby and her burst options are either unsafe (dash attack) or telegraphed (side special). This can make her easy to whiff punish, but I've run into one or two La Reina players who are really good at getting in with movement alone and then raping me with strike-throw mix-ups. Despite her nair, she has difficulty landing due to her slow air speed when chair isn't available to magnetize to, so she's susceptible to being juggled and edgeguarded.

The consensus is that she's below-average, but I think people are still learning how to play her. It might an Etalus situation where she isn't actually bad and she's buffed into being a bigger asshole. All I know is that her dtilt is overtuned.

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learning Galvan turned me retarded
>boot up game
>man i should probably play La Reina
>...
>one Galvan match, as a treat...
>hear uair sound effect once
>cum
>play Galvan for like 2 hours and get off
i "main" Olympia and Forsburn but i've probably played 5 matches with each since the La Reina patch. my La Reina is still level 7. all i do is pick Galvan and play like an animal.

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https://fornace.medium.com/aether-studios-2025-recap-and-2026-preview-64bb2d17f3bb
Aether Studios is in dire straits according to Dan himself. But hey at least they stuck to their guns about Floorhugging, right? That's what counts.

>>2195009
too bad. hope it works out.

>>2195009
B-Bros, how do we save Rivals? I only they released to consoles from the get-go, I don't think we would be in this state

>>2195826
Do you even know how much it costs to push an update to the consoles?

>>2195944
Apparently the whole company going bankrupt. You cannot convince me this game would not be much more successful had it released with a console version. It doesn't even make sense to be a PC exclusive when, according to Steam, 15% of the entire user base plays with a controller. They had the opportunity to strike gold and release a great Smash Ultimate alternative, fixing its flaws and providing what the players wanted from Melee.

>>2194460
>It might an Etalus situation where she isn't actually bad and she's buffed into being a bigger asshole
And then they buffed her...

>>2195944
With Workshop out the door, I feel like 2026 is going to be a year of
>fewer cosmetics (I don't care)
>waiting for real Workshop content
>small bumps from new characters
>a bump from Evo, especially if it's good
>crawling to the finish line that is console release, which is where the game's future will be determined
Really, it all depends on whether Smashfags decide to play something other than Smash for once in their lives. So, in other words, we're doomed. Knowing RoA2's luck, what will probably happen is that they'll release on consoles only for the Smash 6 trailer to drop a week later.

>>2196052
they didn't have the money to finish the game. it had to release early only on steam because its all they could afford. skin paypiggies are the only thing keeping the game afloat. it was up to them to make the game worth playing despite that to rake in possible future paypiggies that would fund completing the game and releasing the console version but they failed. its their own fault for refusing to make something everyone would enjoy and instead made something only a select few of platform fighter players would enjoy

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I would unironically fund a second Kickstarter if it came to that. But based on Dan's blog, it sounds like they over-hired after the game's launch, assuming it would grow in the short-term, so I wonder whether downsizing is enough.

I bet they operate in some expensive city and let people take 6 2 week long vacations per year and pay for healthcare. they probably even let them miss as many work days as they want

>>2195826
Releasing on consoles is a huuuuge commitment. Needing to set up development so every system has parity and seamless crossplay for all current and future content and dealing with all the console patch certification processes takes a lot of time and effort which costs money. Then development of the main (PC) version grinds to a halt because resources get spent fixing a visual bug for the 1 or 2 xbox players. Then everyone gets frustrated and leaves because "incompetent devs can't buff my main in time for the next tourney."

While I think it's good that they're delaying the console versions until the game has actual content for casuals, it really hurts adoption of the PC version when the game costs 30 fucking dollars and still has aggressive microtransactions when Melee is free, runs on a toaster, and has a dedicated fanbase that'll last til the end of time. I suspect they'll lower the price at some point but $30 is kind of the minimum you can sell a console game for without it being a pixelshit indie or F2P.

>>2196116
This whole thing is overblown. The one actual shitty thing I understood from reading the article- theres never going to be a story mode because it will never be up to high standart that Dan has envisioned.

>>2196052
It costs several hundred to few thousands dollars, per platform and takes several weeks to implement. This, then requires a proper QA testing beforehand which adds to work hours because you cant push a hotfix that can potentially cost even more thousands. And remember, PC will suffer with any potential updates because crossplatform publishing on consoles requires the games to be updated simultaneously and you've seen how terrible they're are with pushing experimental patches on live game.
The console release will be the last gasp of air the game has. >>2196089

>>2196136
They don't even have an office, dumbass. If you've ever watched the developer streams, it's just a bunch of poor 20- and 30-somethings working out of their shitty little apartments. Everyone works remotely. Dan owns a house somewhere in the PNW, I think. He streams out of his basement.

>>2196251
Also they're an international team.

>>2196251
What about everything else I said. Them having an office or not wasn't the point of my post

>>2196291
Everything else you said is also just a baseless assumption, I merely responded to one of them. Burden of proof.

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>wasn't paying attention to Twitch Rivals because it's gay
>go get my palette drop I'll never use
>like half my Smash-related follows are playing
Shockingly, this one is actually stacked. Plup, V0id, Armada, Zain, Sparg0, Coney, and Dan from Giant Bomb, for some reason? Bizarre.

>>2196300
>almost all of them dont even like the game
xd

Why is this game so jank? Not talking about the gameplay but in menus my cursor will randomly disappear until I wiggle the stick for a few seconds. Or how none of the graphics options aside from resolution change anything. It doesn't even let me change the shadows setting, it's stuck on low. The worst thing is needing to unplug my controllers (including my keyboard!) and plug them back in each time I launch the game otherwise only a random one will take inputs.

I'm actually enjoying Twitch Rivals

>>2196309
Small indie game, please understand
>my cursor will randomly disappear
This shit happens to me when I tab out while waiting in queue. I believe the game is assuming that because I'm using my mouse or keyboard to tab back in, I'm using M+KB controls, but it detects my controller after a second or so.
>graphics options
No idea
>unplug my contollers
No idea, I've never heard of this issue

Report that shit on Nolt: https://rivals-of-aether-ii-patch-150.nolt.io/

>>2196364
plupwinslol

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>>2196439
Beat me to it

>checking replays before patching
>meh, idk if this 80% combo is worth recording
>watch today's ultrank video
>half the highlights from the best players in the world are raw smash attacks or 2-3 hit combos, and half of what's longer than that is Luigi
i respect Japan's passion for it, but Ultimate is such ass. i'm beginning to believe the whole "Smash players don't play Smash for the gameplay" thing, even the competitive players.

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>>2196566
How could anyone not enjoy playing this masterpiece of a game? It's truly a mystery!

>>2196566
I have a feeling that everyone knows Ultimate is ass, even people who only play Ultimate. Nobody actually enjoys playing it, they only bother with it because it's the newest one and you have to go back 3 games or do some modding autism to get a decent Smash game.

>>2196566
>i respect Japan's passion for it,
I don't! There's better games to play. I respect people who play Blazblue for 10 years straight, not Smash 4.5 babies

>>2196603
this is true, at least to an extent. when i was traveling over the holidays, I exhausted all my regular podcasts so i dipped into Smash podcasts - of which there are only really two, Tweek's and EE's. everyone involved very evidently hates Ultimate's competitive meta and is desperate for a new game, but they also don't seem to understand that it's the systemic mechanics that resulted in that meta and >>2196602. the word delusional comes to mind.
anyway, i'm not trying to talk too much shit about Smash. i enjoyed Ultimate for the first year or so of its life. i think i'd rather see a radically different Smash at this point.

>>2196602
SSBU is the most sold platform fighter ever. also the most popular
sakurai clearly knows more about the genre than anyone else

If they're low on money why not make gooner skins instead of transmasc bug ladies

>>2197792
They already have swimsuits for most of the girls, albeit not very sexy ones, so they can't use that avenue, and elranno is a massive homosexual so you'd have to fight him to get it to happen

>>2198047
They could easily release more coom skins, theyre just far to gay to ever let that happen and would let their company sink before ever considering that

>>2198241
Give me a conceptual example of a coom Maypul skin, she's flat as a board so there's no figure to accentuate and she's already naked

>>2198269
I have a mod installed to make her thicker. They could make her curvier and call it a "winter coat."

>>2198366
This one? >>2185566

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>>2198369
Nah that one doesn't make her sexy fat, just oddly shaped fat. I have this one installed, but the other extra large mods for Clairen and Fleet are pretty good. Nice jiggle physics too.