It did, like 8 months ago? Just tell me if Z/A is flopping so I can laugh at Nintendo

>>58894769
Its strange how despite all the sales I've never heard anyone talking about or seen anything related to gens 9 and 8 in public. Its like the gaming equivalent of the Avatar movies.

>>58894794
Because most nu-pokemon fans don’t buy Pokémon games to play them, they buy them solely because of the brand name. They play up until the first gym then never touch it again,

>>58894794
>>58894805
SV won.

>>58894810
GameFreak won, fans lost

>>58894769
that's sad

>>58894773
12 million copies if going by this thread >>58894629

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>>58894769
Arceus WON

>>58894836
So the same as legends of arceus. Lame, I was hoping for less

>>58894794
>anything related to gens 9 and 8 in public
>Cards
>Plushes
>Figures

Are you live under a rock?

im more shocked sword and shield are the third

>>58894769
...if you're disingenuous and count rereleases as separate games.

It doesn't matter if they're the worst games in the series, anything released on the Switch will sell more than any past game.

>>58894925
Good thing they are not the worst games in the series then.

>>58894928
You're right, Sword and Shield are.

>>58894812
Fans won too. Overly obsessed manchildren lost. Again, by the way.

>>58894937
Overly obsessed manchildren won, because they're the only ones who buy every single release + DLC + online tax.

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>>58894769
Deserved!

>>58894925
PMD DX and New Snap flopped HEAVENS hard. Seems it's not the Switch that pushes sales, but Game Freak's Pokémon on Switch.

>>58894935
>>58894928
Kek what kind of cope is this. SV is the worst, SwSh maybe 2nd or 3rd worst depending on ZA

>>58894769
Wait a minute if the switch 2 has 17 million does that mean most people own legends za

>>58894939
Oh, so I can call your mother an obsessed manchold so?
I mean, she bought every game, rehash AND remake plus tip plus tax plus pogeymans cardies for her bwave wittle soldiew until he grew up to be a big disappointment after all.

>>58894953
>implying i own any of the switch games

>>58894958
Even better, you're admitting you're an actual obsessed retard manchld watching the series pass you by and seething impotently as it witnessed a resurgence in public consciousness.

>>58894769
kwab looks like za was a flop considering it sold less than arceus

>>58894945
SV at least has a fun story with a finished conclusion and a functional open world. SwSh doesn't have anything, it only looks nicer in a handful of areas.

>>58894958
And not buying any switch games does not absolve you from the fact your mother did in fact fund your habit with games that suffered the exact same issues when compared to games made for teenagers and up, the same way you're crying over the Switch games "suddenly" not matching up to games that are intended for an utterly different audience than the average child. Proving your ignorance AND an inability to accept what the series historically has been is a bold strategy, I must say.

>>58894965
It was an adequate step-up from SM. The problem is you lot don't understand Game Freak don't chase technical perfection AND need to do on-the-job training in the form of testing out concepts in this game to implement them in the next (SS's Wild Area becomeing SV's open world map).

>>58894971
Why are you so mad that people notice the objective decline in quality?

>>58894965
>SV
>fun story
>fun anything
Kek
SwSh is at least playable, its still awful, just not as awful. Id rather go play LGPE

>>58894769
>Nintendo switch is most sold console
>Nintendo Switch 2
Two console game but ZA is selling less than LA
Lmao

>>58894974
>technical perfection
Fucking lmao, how about an absolute iota of technical competence (let's not talk about ZA holyfuck)
>mainline release for one of or the biggest franchise in the world
>everyone is just an on the job trainee.. somehow that's true for every game and they get progressively worse with each release
Lmao

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>>58894987
Why are you projecting your fee-fees onto people who don't share your viewpoint? World has made its choice, they support what Pokémon's doing despite the spastics squealing about performance. The fact we're having this discussion here instead of r/gaming with the casual scum of the internet kinda disproves "people noticing the objective decline in quality" when it never had any back then either, but shitheads like you are blinded by nostalgia to accept it only ever was a mid, kid-focused series, regardless the presentation.

>>58894937
>shit games
>consoomers buy it anyone because anime tie in and kids
>fans won
Lol, lmao even. Fans lost. Its worse than shovelware slop. GameFreak dont need to make good games when people will just buy it anyway. Its too big to fail unless something drastic happens.

>>58895008
>biggest kid-focused franchise in the world
>this automatically means they NEED to cater to the most hideously mentally deluded gamers imagineable
Amazing how a game-a-year was FANTASTIC to you as a child, but now suddenly it's bad, because they're not targeting you with their game-a-year shtick, huh?

>>58895014
You lost the instant you got mummy to buy you in then. It's ALWAYS been a mid series focused on children and ignoring adult concerns (Tajiri told Mario Club in 1994 to shut the fuck up asking for the game to be made more challenging as he was intending it to be aimed at children from the get-go). Small wonder despite the improvements in hardware over the last 30 years, game Freak haven't once opted to use that better hardware to present a game more in line with adult sensibilities.

Grim

>>58895015
>>58895015
Or. You know, they could just make good games, they certainly have the production budget, resources, brand recognition, marketing power, budget for testing etc to do so. It doesnt need to be targeted for a specific niche, just make it good
>muh kid focused shield defense
Its garbage. There's plenty of kid focused games that are actually good games. Pokemon isn't among them. The bottom line is they are genuinely bad games, it is supported by brand driven consumption. Hence they can get away with whatever lazy slop they produce to whatever low standard Nintendo will still tolerate

SV is the sloppiest slop that ever stopped. Captive audience and identity purchase.

>>58894794
I suspect that since pokemon go, people buy the game from the name alone but never play it. And for some reason people don't care about spin-offs either. >>58894941
It's really weird.

>adult concerns and sensibilities
>muh difficulty
LGPE is a better game than mainline like SV, SwSh etc despite having less of that and being more simplified and easier

>>58895025
Why? Waste of money when it's aimed at 7 year olds (again, they didn't put time or effort into their graphical presentation in Gen 3 and didn't do fuck-all else but the same shit as they'd done in Gen 1 and 2 and STILL sold 16m >>58895010). The sad thing is you'd rather sit screeching about being ignored, than moving on and finding that thing that cares you're a thing in the world, as they need money and need to focus on (You) for it.

>>58895010
Hi yawnie!

>>58895034
People never cared about the spin-offs after pokémania (Stadium and Pinball selling nearly 5.5m each, Colosseum and Pinball RS selling 2.4m and 1.3m respectively). It's no wonder the first to actually capture the mass-market was basically an adaptation of the core games transplanted into an AR game based on your immediate area.

>>58894769
>DEI woke slop with ugly characters won
Yeah this franchise is long dead

>>58895052
Your boogyman in in another thread.

>>58894941
>rehash the first game but in worse presentation and lazy recycled models AND cut off features
>it flops
gee who'd have thought

>>58895059
Your posting style is too distinct and you reuse the same images 100+ times.

>>58895065
Because it's still so fucking relevant to the discussion at hand. You wankers squeal it doesn't match "adult sensibilities" when we all know if you met that back in the day as an adult instead of a context-blind faggot child, you wouldn't care about it, you'd cry about it and in general shit from on high that they aren't trying to "be better2. So go fuck off an find something that will, Pokémon doesn't want to. No amount of venting your fee-fees online will change that either.

>>58895060
>furfag shocked to discover kids don't actually like furfag sim when they have actual core pokémon games to play instead of play in desperation because there's no new core pokémon to play

>>58895065
>My takes are so boring that everyone becomes yawnfag!

>>58894867
If the leaks are true in two years we will have another legends similar to Arceus and this year a mainline game.
Scarlet has the power of 2 years without a game and SwSh the being the first mainline game, ZA is fucked more with the shitty DLC+being the first action game

>>58895117
You're not subtle.

>>58895120
That was not an attempt at being subtle
This is what we mean when we say you're boring

>>58895118
Gen 10 is probably going to get drawn out like SV did, and the next Legends game will get pushed back to accommodate later projects. Unless Legends Galar has some sort of everygreen or PvP modes to keep players engaged for a whole year or more.

>>58895123
Archives exist, yawnie. Everyone knows your posting style. Everyone knows your "gotcha" images.

>>58894769
That happened last year, dumbass. It also became the best selling Pokemon game ever in Japan

>>58895134
And everyone knows your mother.

>>58894769
Did SwSh sell another million?

>>58895127
I wish, but even without another Legends in 2027 the timing is going to hurt ZA like it did with Arceus.

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>>58894769
Impressive. Let's see the game's reviews.

>>58895188
Which only makes you wonder how much more can SV sell considering some people won't be able to get the brand new open world Pokemon game and the Switch 2, making them settle for the previous one

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Legends Z-A are objectively the better games though

>>58895006
Yes, SV is fun. SwSh isn't.

>>58895565
This. Its the consensus that despite the game looking and running like turbo dog shit, SV is enjoyable to play. Open world mechanics naturally compliment Pokemon as a concept. /vp/ contrarian echo chambers need not apply.

>>58894769
>be kinnoh
>succeed
>be kalos
>fail
what was gamefreak thinking starting this series with kalos and now galar, 2 unpopular regions

>>58895598
And it doesn't even run like shit now, thanks to Switch 2, gen 9 (both games) are the best pokemon ever ran by far. The colors of SV are still washed sadly but that's hardly an issue considering the fun and big world(s)

>>58895643
PLZA sold better than PLA in the same time frame

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>>58895188
Based SwSh

>>58895662
PLA sold 12.64 million, with the remakes being released 2 month before and the next gen being released 10 month later.
And ZA was the first game released in 4 years so...

>>58894769
The pokéworld has fallen.

>>58895673
RGB, SV and SwSh are the kings, I kneel

>>58895657
Yeah, runs perfectly fine on S2. Looks like dogshit still, but runs great.

>>58895673
>>58895856
>Next game will be like SV/SM
>Next legends will be like SwSh
>After that , they will release a game for genwun nostalgia
>ZA floped so they will never use XY nostalgia.
I kneel at those three

>>58894870
>Cards
>Plushes
>Figures
I see more people with plushies of pokemon from the first 4 gens than of anything from 8 or 9. For figures I'll admit I've seen like one of Nemona at a hobby store but no other character or mon from those games.

>>58895662
>PLA: released on January (so on the post-holiday season), two months after BDSP and one month before the next mainline game was announced
>ZA: released on October (so still fresh to have its sales boosted by holidays), on an unheard of 4-year drought of Pokémon games, got a DLC (released right before the holidays for maximum boost)
Z-A had the obligation to sell A LOT more than PLA. A fucking lot more.
It not completely blowing PLA numbers means it was failure in comparison.

>>58895662
ZA is literally bundled with the fastest selling console of all time

>>58894794
Modern Pokemon fans have embraced the worst aspects of the Japanese audience.

If you don't have anything positive to say, shut your mouth. Combine that with the overall exposure of the IP and you get the image of a near flawless game on paper, people buy or rent it, realise it's shit but they won't say anything about it because by now the "You've bought it anyway" card (Even though the aforementioned people probably refunded it) is the default dismissal of any criticism for the fully priced titles.

I am utterly convinced that Gamefreak could release a game that is centered around excrements and grown ass man children would defend it for some deeper meaning.

Which would be right, because both of them would be very deeply full of shit.

>>58895887
>It not completely blowing PLA numbers means it was failure in comparison.

I was with you up until this. This makes no sense, doing not as well as it could isnt "a failure" when it still sold well, AND generates extra revenue by virtue of it having paid DLC.

I just don't get how SV are the second most selling games, yet the Pokemon and characters featured may as well be an enigma to the casual Pokemon fandom. Who the hell is buying these games?

>>58894870
hes right tho, all i see at the store are KANTOOO plushes and maybe some random piplup

>>58895921
Japs

>>58895921
>yet the Pokemon and characters featured may as well be an enigma to the casual Pokemon fandom
Where are you even getting this idea from? I see Ceruledge and Tinkaton shit all over the place.

>>58895921
Pokemon fans

>>58895921
Japanese people without a doubt

>>58895921
>but my echo chamber doesn't know them...

>>58895459
trvke

>>58894870
>Are you live under a rock?
Why do ESLs struggle with basic common sayings?

>>58895921
>Nemona, the eevee girl, the doggo rival
>Rika and Larry
>The expansion rivals
>tinkaton, ceruledge, floragato,the fire starter,clodsire,

>>58894769
>Gen 1 still on top
>About to get another year reminding zoomers why it’s the top dog
Kanto supremacy is eternal

>>58895921
Those dlcs weren't even FOTM kek

>>58895900
this is accurate and i had no idea it was just a japinsect thing
oh and i'm sure this will soon apply to other nintendo fanbases
>>58894870
>ARR YUU LIVES UNDAR RACK SAAR??!

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If there wasn any a Pokemon game that didn't deserve this much, it's ZA
Awful game, and easily the worst game in the franchise

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>>58894769
Based

>>58895921
It's weird
The only characters I know that have had any kind of impact on the fanbase are Nemona, Iono, Carmine, and Kieran
And the ONLY Pokemon that I've seen that anyone cares about are Sprigatito, Meowscarada, and maybe Baxcalibur and Clodsire on a good day

>>58895921
Pokemania, brand driven consumption, identity purchasing, captive audience, sunk cost momentum

>>58896148
>and maybe Baxcalibur
For how ugly it is?

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>>58896153
Being the pesudo of the gen with a decent TCG card gave it more legs than it should've honestly. Still more any any other gen 9 mon.
What a fucking waste of a generation
I can't even name 90% of the mons here.

>>58896164
Tinkaton, Armarouge and Ceruledge also stick out, they're really popular in both east and west
All of them got added to Unite pretty quickly
Shown off in the anime
Ceruledge got a solid tcg card

>>58896189
Tinkaton had her moments, and I'll just take your word on the other two, that said, that's still very small given the dex and even then barely get brought when compared to Pokemon from previous gens

>>58894965
>with a finished conclusion
WRONG

>>58896148
Rika and Larry too.
I think the ice gym leader and Iono sorta too
And the Ghost type has an impact for how awful it was

>>58895887
>/vp/ once again says something treally disingenuous and delusional
DLC replaced the rehash copies years ago and SV's DLC released two years before L: Z-A. Learn how to tell the time, what are you, five years old?

>>58895924
Sounds like your stores just have really shitty selections, I can't count the amount of times I saw pokémon shit in a shop that was current Gen, last Gen or anything BUT kanto. Maybe TPCi's profiled your region and found they really are just casualfag retards who'll clap for it.

>>58896347
Rika sure, but Larry kinda fell off and is mostly forgotten now
Grusha is on and off
And I've never seen anyone Ryme, as nobody should

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>2nd best selling games
>barely any art of this fitness goddess

sv is well deserved, if we had competent company behind pokemon, then we would get better games

>>58896371
>2nd best selling games among casual fuckers
>anon wonders why the ugly lesbian isn't popular with the casual masses

Can we finally admit sales for Pokemon don't fucking matter or reflect the quality of the games?

>>58896371
All the female teachers are hidden behind the school and even in Indigo Disk taking the clases is optional.

>>58896447
Which is retarded. Why even have it take place in a school if you're not going to do anything with it, or you can skip it entirely? It's like they wanted that Persona money but forgot to make it a key freature

>>58896417
no? how much I enjoyed them is perfectly reflected by OPs numbers.

Fuck gen 5 and ZA for ruining what their previous titles did.

>>58896457
because in SV the focus was not the school, it was the treasure quest

>>58896475
Then WHY is there a school at all? The previous game never needed a reason to invent you to go on your Pokemon journey. And the school could've just been a hub town, which it should've been. The treasure hunt doesn't even make sense in its context

>>58896490
'cause bullying bad, anon.

>>58894769
>27mil bought the worst mainlinr Pokèmon game

>>58896349
>you are dumb because you don't follow this completely arbitrary parameter I just made up
shut up, idiot

>>58896660
*28mil

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>>58896700
I'm not the one ignoring Game Freak been busy shitting out content in between SV and L: Z-A , you psycho little shitbag. And yeah, per Game Freak's own words "The DLC replaces the new titles set in the same region as previous games", meaning they're guaranteed a game sale if anyone buys the DLC. Instead of shitting out a rehash where under 10m buy it because it's the same fucking thing as the game they played previously.

>Arceus is still behind BDSP
Bleak...

>>58897405
that's what happened when you has nothing but an empty field, regional replacements, goodra's shitty diaper, gardenia but a man, and no megas.

>58897425
bait used to be believable

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>>58894939
I bought both SV with DLC included during Blacky Friday.

>>58896717
Should have just released a single Grey and Star instead of BW2 and USUM to max greed.

>>58896717
Crystal is so unbelievably shit at being an enhanced version its insane
doubles cartridge size, doesnt do anything with it. but hey you can be the little girl now, so I guess its alright

>>58895900
10/10 explanation.

>>58897603
They explicitly didn’t try with Crystal because they wanted Pokémon to flop so Sugimori would be free to draw porn if Quinty