video game genres are all bullshit. I'm sure you already knew that, how many times have you seen a game advertised as "adventure" or "action", fucking useless. this game is evidence that even very specific genres like "shoot-em-ups" are actually a hodgepodge of different types of games. the problem is that genres are defined by some surface level aspect, such as "an autoscroller where you control a character and shoot waves of enemies", not ever considering the core intentions of the game design, which could be "memorizing patterns, shooting and dodging in a 2d plane" or "idk watching all the explosions while wildly flailing around and then you get to buy some wacky new gun with the money you collected"

this game has more in common with those old "desktop destroyer" stress relief "games" than with other "shmups"

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ITT:

>2026
>still no spiritual successor to Tyrian with tons of different weapons, ships, secrets, secret levels, secret fighting game moves, etc

>>12351007
Jets n Guns (Gold) is a tyrian successor, just don't play its sequel.

Akashicverse for fighting game shmup. Not retro tho, but JnG is.

>>12351018
>Jets n Guns (Gold) is a tyrian successor
I've played that a ton too but it's not really even close, completely different vibe.

>>12350196
I loved those desktop destroyer games, still have the kraut classic I keep around. I also love tyrian, they are fun and don't require me to spend half my life memorizing which pixels kill my pixel just shoot, fly, listen to gr8 music, and chill.

>>12350190
You have to play it with the mouse.
>but joystick/keyboard
Those have intertia.

>>12351018
>Jets n Guns
Alright honestly, this is enough and were we need to draw the line. We can shitpost about Tyrian, fine. But now it's gone too far. Talking about that should be a banable offense, not because technically it's not retro. Because it's complete dog shit.

Why don't you take some time off posting on /vr/ for a while and think about how you got to this point in life. And just one last thing: Please, do not encourage other anons to follow these self destructive behaviors. We all have problems, sure. This is not how you deal with them.

>>12351018
>Jets n Guns
based swedeware
>>12352214
balls to you

>post game movies
No thanks

>>12351018
>Tyrian borrows heavily from games by Compile
>even copies a small bit of music
>Compile games are better shmups than Tyrian
>First game recommended to Tyrian fans...Le Jets and Le Guns

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>>12353152
that's because compile games...don't play like tyrian...

If only you posted some based compile games instead of meming

super aleste in particular is wonderful. and works great if overclocked too.

>>12350190
>ludokinos
board game kinos?
i can only think of Jones.
https://www.mobygames.com/game/370/jones-in-the-fast-lane/screenshots/dos/99624/

i liked to get the womanu naked and backrupt.

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What's wrong with jets n guns?

>>12354658
https://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/jetsnguns/05.%2520MegaScorcher.mp3

the music is too good

>>12353452
This game's soundtrack is pretty nice.

>>12354658
Not a real shmup. "Euroshmups" IE western style shmups are gay trash and include gameplay mechanics that completely ruin the game, typically like RPG elements, too easy, too few enemies, slow gameplay, shit like inertia which complete ruins the game at its core by eliminating responsive controls needed to rapidly dodge and move, a health bar, etc. There are some Japanese shmups that do actually incorporate things like RPG elements and health bars, but it's done in a way that it abides by and respects the core philosophy of the Japanese shmup. You want one of those, IE a real one.

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>>12354736
the title said post ludokinos not shmups

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>>12353109
obviously he wants movie games

>>12354736
So there's nothing wrong with it, thanks for the input arcade monkey.

>>12354736
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbY_IW1lJm0

bow down

>>12355152
you're an idiot

>>12354736
at first i thought you're an idiot but then i noticed the "thing >:| thing, japan <:)" macro and just wanted to say you're a cool guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sOzq0ikzMM

>>12354736
You are just mad because they try new stuff. Modern jap shmoops disrespect the genres space invader roots anyway.

>>12358286
Im so fucking tired of you retards saying this nonsense, no, you don't get a free pass just because you're trying something new. Doing something new doesn't mean you're free from criticism.

>>12358290
Well considering they are highly acclaimed and enjoyed for what they do, it sounds like their experiments paid off. Maybe you would have a point if they shit the bed and were universally hated for what they tried and failed to do.

>>12358297
Both euro and JP shmups are highly acclaimed and enjoyed. Both don't sell well, as evidenced by the lack of commercial output for either. If anything, regular shmups have more interest atm -> Cygni with the backing of Konami and every game journo was outsold by a random indie shmup called Devil Blade Reboot on Steam.

>>12358297
Why do Tyriantrannies always bitch that there's no other games like it then? Like this faggot >>12351007 here

>>12358297
>highly acclaimed
Tyrian, Raptor, and other dogshit are exclusively known about by a small cohort of White millennial / gen x men from about age 35 to 60. No one else gives a shit. Your games in many senses are even more niche than regular shmups.

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>>12358384
>>12358382
>>12358380
>>12358297
>>12358290
>>12358286
>>12358075
all me BTW.

>>12353152
The reason for this is because it is subconsciously recognized that Troonian fans don't actually care about how the shmup part of their game plays. It's not relevant to them. They're in it for the five billion hit shield, weapon customization, etc. everything aside from the actual gameplay, as long as the gameplay is purposely built in such a way you can just ignore it entirely. So obviously they don't give a shit about Compile shmups either.

>>12358394
>The reason for this is because it is subconsciously recognized that Tyrian fans don't actually care about how the japanese part of their game plays. It's not relevant to them.
well duh

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>>12350190
>>12350196
>>12352214
>>12358394
>>12358397
I made all of these posts. TBdesu with you.

not sure what your game is, but thanks for keeping the thread up mr mass replier.

>>12350190
What is it about this game that upsets people here? For fuck sakes, I like Tyrian, I like Touhou, I like Raiden, and I like Compile shmups as well. Shmups in general are one of my favorite genres. Fuck R-Type and Gradius though. They're bullshit.
>>12350196
Nice pasta.
>>12351018
JnG is alright. Decent enough but not my favorite.

>>12358436
>What is it about this game that upsets people here
not weeb enough

>>12358436
Adding to this, I've noticed I'm heavily biased towards vertical shmups. I don't know what it is about horizontal ones, but they're almost never as good as vertical ones.

>>12358440
You're probably right tbqh.

>>12358286
No they don't. Euroshmups aren't even shmups. If you add stuff like inertia, a health bar, etc it's literally no longer a shmup. You can't dodge or move so it's about lumbering around clumsily and tanking levels. Everything the genre is about is gone.

>>12358436
>I like Turdian
>I also like Raiden
Confirmed for not a real post.

>>12358451
shut up. you already said you are okay with these things if the game is released by a japanese label.

>>12358454
You think I'm using chatgpt or some shit?

>>12358457
Um no. I never said this. Adding things like shields, a power down mechanic when hit or the ability to absorb a few hits does not make it a euroshmup and has been part of the Japanese shmup since the beginning, look at Hector '87. The Euroshmup goes much further into a fundamental molestation of the core gameplay you see in the "euroshmup" or so they are called.

>>12358472
>There are some Japanese shmups that do actually incorporate things like RPG elements and health bars, but it's done in a way that it abides by and respects the core philosophy of the Japanese shmup. You want one of those, IE a real one.
based dementia poster. you remind me of my dad.

>>12358475
If your game makes it so that moving precisely is impossible, it just isnt a shmup anymore. That's a fact. Tyrian wnbars.

>>12358475
Consider >>12358479

Play UN Squadron on the SNES or Vapor Trail and tell me it's a Euroshmup, Or a Compile/Hudson game where you power down when hit. those are Japanese shmups though and through. Neglecting skill, getting good at the game by removing the core element of precision movement and dodging thus replacing it with tanking around and absorbing hits instead as the core mechanic is not a shmup. This is one of the biggest problems I have with Guardian Legend, but most people don't consider that a pure shmup.

tyrian has precise movement, and the reason most of its critics, this idiot included, seem to think that it's bad boil down to ignorance of difficulty.

the game is more than willing to force you to dodge properly and (god forbid) use special mechanics like ammo and twiddles, however, normal and hard mode were not designed for today's dedicated shmupper, they were designed for an average person who had the game on DOS. THEY ARE PISS-EASY.

So, yes, go on, sit on your throne and call out tyrian players, while you haven't even tasted what the game truly is. a modern politician if i ever saw one.

...
Next, I'll go play acrobat mission on the easiest difficulty, then spend 20 minutes ranting about how shit japanese shmups are.

>>12358528
>Tyrian has precise movement
No.

>>12358528
>(...) but normal and hard mode are PISS EASY.
The issue is with the game at it's fundamental core, not difficulty level. Every single difficulty of Tyrian has forced hits. Every single difficulty of Tyrian has inertia. Every single difficulty of Tyrian is not a shmup.

>>12358528
>normal and hard mode
be careful! their minds will explode if they learn about the japanese shmup mode.

>>12358528
>Heavily reddit spaced essay defending turdian
We need to have a serious conversation about the state of /vr/.

>>12358538
Hi Ross. Just want to refer you to >>12358537 . Hope this helps!

>>12358531
>>12358537

There is no inertia. Fix your mouse, and/or your dosbox, and/or your brains. Fucking tech-illiterate wankers. I bet you eat gabe newell's steamy turds.

>fundamental core
this DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING

>Every single difficulty of Tyrian has forced hits
You haven't even played the gaaaaame

>Every single difficulty of Tyrian is not a shmup.
No one cares! Call it a sploinko if you want, you degenerate

>>12358542
>>12358545
did you seriously make this many posts in a row, just to win a pointless 4chan argument

seek help

>>12358549
The mouse has inertia. Pills.

>>12358556
>Fix your mouse, and/or your dosbox, and/or your brains.

>Ross is still lying about the mouse not having inertia
We've all played the game dude. Come on.

ngl i always thought that when weebs are complaining about the inertia it's because they can't comprehend how to use a mouse and try to play with a keyboard. but claiming THE MOUSE has inertia? that's new.

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>>12358559
i'm actually another person. though i stand by what i said about tyrian, there's clearly some history here that i'm unaware of

and, just to be clear, i have no inertia when i use the mouse. i might know what cuases yours? see picrel. also very relevant for shooters.

who's ross

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You will play the Tyrian and you will be happy

>Ross is still pretending the mouse doesnt have inertia
This guy is totally bonkers

>Ross tells me to go download Tyrian on GOG
>go play it
>the mouse has inertia
>bring this up
>Ross pretends there's some other secret version of Tyrian where the mouse has no inertia
This guy is straight up crazy

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>>12358572

Test

>>12350190
The Tyrian title is an ambigram so if you flip it upside down it still says Tyrian.
Mind=blown

Tyrian is based
Bullet hell with it's "core japanese philosphy" is the gookclick of shoot em ups

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>>12359045
amazing

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>>12358567
>Shmup
>Adjustable mouse controls

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>>12360196
stop procrastinating and fix your mouse

>>12360265
Shmups do not use a mouse though.

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>>12360409
fix it for your quake

>>12360436
imagine autists raging in the 90s that doom is not a proper dungeon crawler because unlike japanese games the controls have inertia instead of making clean 90 deg turns

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Decided to see what all the seething is about. So far I have trouble dodging small dark projectiles shot by small dark ships against a dark background but otherwise it seems okay.

>>12361713
the disco bombs and radiator wep are really good despite looking bad in the shop, and the later ships that aren't a hotdog van actually have smoother movement (yes, it's a ship stat, lol).

>>12361713
It maybe just nostalgia but I feel like the non gold version is better, it may have less stuff but the whole package seems tighter than gold.

>>12358558
Optimistic.

>>12362857
It's better to live in hope