>>12358608
Ps2 era should never be retro. This board is gay for allowing it

>>12358825
why is that? 2001 was 25 years ago. thats retro. thats older than the NES was to the PS2 when FFX was released

>>12358994
Retro is a genre that has ended and is not subject to a rolling counter of years. It's like classic rock or classical music. It's an established genre that doesn't change and has certain characteristics that come from the specific time period. Being a certain age does not make something retro.

No person would argue in good faith that grand theft auto 5 is retro but here you are claiming a similar thing because it was released on the Xbox 360, which came out in 2005. Since you want to play that game, That's 21 years ago and more time has passed between the release of the he 360 and now than the US release of the nes and the 360. It would be absurd to argue a console that had a gta 5 release is retro, and 20 years from now i will still be ridiculously, much like it is for the ps2, gcube, Xbox era to be considered retro.

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>>12359003
>classic rock

Bad example. They're putting Blink-182 on classic rock stations now. Once it was Elvis, then it was the Beatles, then Led Zeppelin, then Motely Crue, then Nirvana. I'm sure we're on the verge of Disturbed being classic rock.

>>12358825
>>12358994
For me it's not about years, it's about being out of style. A NES game plays nothing like a typical PS1/N64 game so it was clearly retro. SMB vs SM64. FF1 vs FF7. Castlevania vs SotN. Zelda 1 vs OoT.

While 5th gen and older is clearly nothing like modern gaming, 6th gen is also dissimilar despite the signs creeping in (GTA III, Morrowind, online multiplayer on consoles, etc). Most clearly for me it how it was monetized. 6th gen was all about sequels and spinoffs to exploit a franchise. Make 3 core Jak and Daxter games, a racing spin off, a solo character side story on the new handheld and then another game 3 years after the next gen console was released.

Modern games are either multiplayer focused microtransaction vectors with "seasons" and cosmetics that cost more than the game or they are obscenely expensive AAA tentpoles that have no chance of earning back their budget until the 3rd "Ultra mega GOTY" release two consoles later.

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>>12358825
It's older than like 90% of 4chan's userbase so I don't see why not

>>12359003
well if you want to use that retarded example then yeah I guess gta 5 would be retro (gta 3 is definitely retro) but having a game thats still maintained now with an online presence doesnt really fit the bill. retro games on the ps2 definitely fit though. xbox 360 is the next generation on so no that doesn't fit as being retro. Oblivion and Skyrim and Fallout 3 are not retro you're thinking 1 whole generation ahead.

and classic rock is a stupid comparison because thats a radio label. if you have a band like Led Zeppelin or the Allman Brothers thats blues-rock from the late 60s early 70s, Black Crowes were doing that same sound in the 90s and theres still bands making new stuff like that today.

Theres also still new classical, chamber music, symphonic music being written. so thats completely retarded and actually hurts your argument.

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ok we doing it boys. its so much easier to translate shit on the fly nowadays then even a few days ago. living in the future

>>12359057
why would you translate on the fly when the game literally has 英語 option

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>>12358608
>playing the shartmaster
emulating ps2 international is the only way. its probably the one time on earth where playing a PAL version is justified.

>>12359097
translating that part so I knew which one said English

>>12359106
yeah and you can set it to run at 120% to run at 60hz/60fps. but the Japanese has English voice and text options so I went with that. the European version is pretty much the same right?

>>12358825
ps2:browns of nu-chan :: nes:white oldfags
It’s over. Also Cabbage was Epstein

>>12358825
>>12358994
All I know is that pre-6th gen discussion on /vr/ is like 15% of the board now, with 12% being 5th gen shitwars. It's ridiculous that a "retro" board isn't interested in 2D gaming. Surest way to know the board is filled with zoomers with little curiosity for anything pre-2000. You notice it in several generals and recurring threads where the knowledge bar is seriously dropping down to embarrassing standards.

>>12360031
well I get what youre saying because I remember when n64 was a new system, when the dreamcast was discontinued and ps2 was launched, and how cutting edge they were back then.

but that was when I was a kid. I'm 35. the ps2 is an old system now. 35 isn't even very old but in the course of tech it kind of is with Moore's law and all that.

with how shitty modern games are, and how the online play + dlc + season pass garbage has infiltrated every corner of gaming or every genre of games, it seems to me like the last 15, 16 maybe 17 years of gaming has been stagnant garbage.

early 2000's were awesome though, especially 2000 and 2001.

>>12359018
I hate time, make it stop. When did Motley Crue become classic rock?

>>12358994
>2001 was 25 years ago. thats retro.
This sentiment brought to you by the same autistic retards responsible for such sayings as, "A couple is exactly 2, a few is exactly 4, and several is exactly 7."
No, the number of years old a game is does not determine what is retro because retro is a particular era of video game design philosophy that died out right around the PS2 in favor of what has since then been refined into modern gaming.

>>12359003
>Retro is a genre
Huh?

>>12360165
>I got feefees therefore I should go to the classic rock board and discuss linkin park because they make me nostalgic. No I won't make a nu-metal board, instead I'll force existing communities to conform to my tastes

>>12360254
thats stupid because classic rock is a radio label. they had specific genres when they were contemporary

Led Zeppelin, Allman Brothers, Cream/Clapton - blues-rock

Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, ELP - progressive rock

Skynyrd, outlaws- southern rock.

Steely Dan, Zappa, Weather Report- jazz rock

boz scaggs, Doobie brothers w/ Michael Mcdonald - blue eyed soul, or rock with r&b influences

black sabbath, deep purple- early heavy metal

ac/dc, Van Halen shouldn't even really be considered classic rock in my opinion but they're party rock type shit. looping them all as classic rock is retarded.

and there are new bands making 70's style blues rock, hard rock/heavy metal, R&b "yacht rock", all that shit.

same thing with games. ff7 and ffx are 3d JRPGs that are now "classic". in aol hometowns chatrooms in 2000 no one was calling ff7 a retro game, or calling Ocarina of Time retro, but 2d stuff was because 3d was a paradigm shift.

where I draw the line with modern gaming are these features: tons of online shit, predatory DLC, season pass garbage.

which I agree that shit is horrible. but final fantasy 10 a standalone game from 2000 has more in common with final fantasy 5 from 1992 than it does with final fantasy 15 or 16 from the last 10 years to now, with the online shit, subscriptions, LGBTQP-injected into everything, terrible modern writing, graphics over gameplay (why not both like FF10? the ps2 graphics are still amazing today, and it has fun systems/mechanics) etc etc

>>12360254
and its furthermore a bad comparison because yeah linkin park is nu-metal. you'd compare them with limp bizkit and Korn or whatever, not Steely Dan, Pink Floyd or the Allman Brothers Band. so not a valid comparison.

>>12360402
>zappa-jazz rock
I wouldn't call over-nite sensation or apostrophe jazzy, but he did have the grand wazoo and hot rats, but then there was bongo fury and just another band from LA, you gotta qualify genres for individual zappa albums rather than the entire discography. civilization phaze III

>>12359683
I think the PAL version has some increased letterboxing, I remember playing it back then was like playing through a cardboard box hole, best to stick with NTSC-J

>>12359679
Wise.

>>12358825

I think that PS2/Gen 6 should be the cutoff point. So PS2 and back is the standard definition gaming era, PS3/gen7 and up is the high definition homo modern gaming era.

Retro includes PS2 now and eventually it should include PS3 and PS4 but never PS5.

>>12360192
Best response yet.
The term "retro" is regrettable, but it is what got used.
I think a better analogy than "classic rock" or "classical music" (>>12359003) is The Golden Age of Hollywood. Also known as the "studio era." It's a specific era of old movies made in the old ways and has a fuzzy but undeniable ending in the 1960s and transition into the "new hollywood" era. There's no rolling date as to what counts. Empire Strikes Back will never be a golden age movie, it doesn't matter how far away we get from the date.

The 30 year period in videogames from the 1970s to the early 2000s is a distinct period rapid innovation and experimentation in designs and technology, contrasting sharply with the era from the mid-2000s to present featuring mature and stable 3D tech, genres and franchises like Grand Theft Auto, World of Warcraft and Call of Duty.

This isn't to claim that innovation stopped entirely. Technology and game designs are still evolving. But it's nothing like the radical wild of the 70s, 80s and 90s.

>>12360192
>A couple is exactly 2
but it quite literally is

>>12360402
>graphics over gameplay (why not both like FF10? the ps2 graphics are still amazing today, and it has fun systems/mechanics)

Graphics over gameplay was how we described FFX when it was new.

I remember describing the SNES as graphics over gameplay because I was used to Atari games.

>>12363458
You can't reason with dumb

>>12359683
>>12361564
The PAL version runs slower because the game speed is tied to the framerate (and the PAL version had no 60Hz toggle). For a game that's mostly cutscenes this comes out of hours of wasted time, so just play the JP International version since it's in English anyway.

>>12358608
IIRC the alternative sphere grid has fewer nodes, so enjoy your lower max stats