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Wrong game, OP

Worst what?
Best what?

>>12362338
CoM is pretty great ngl, but i don't think anyone claims it to be the worst of the gba titles.

>>12362348
Igababies keep lambasting it as some rough non-canon bastard child of inferior quality.

>>12362339
Sausage. He said it right there in his post.

>>12362338
>contrarian of the moon

>>12362325
>is claimed to be old enough for the 4chin
>is actually a tween
OP is always a faggot

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>>12362371
Igafags can kvetch all they like, a good game is still a good game

>>12362325
>the promotional ringtone composed by Mana-sama is lost media
It hurts

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>>12362471
NOT THE LOST MEDIA RINGTONE SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A 2 HOUR YOUTUBE ESSAY ABOUT IT

>>12362325
I hate how easy the IGA games are.

>>12362493
Someone actually should especially if it makes more people aware of Mana's music. Most Castlevania fans would dig it.
https://youtu.be/IlDiJLrJkqM?si=wNRismqQHRh7AADl

>>12362325
it's better than Cuckold of the Moon but inferior to every other IGAvania

>>12362325
It could have been so much better, there's parts where it just feels miserable. Even though it's easy there's a bunch of areas that are so tedious.
In spite of being one of not being one of the better metroidvanias it's still a really good GBA game.

>>12362546
>go into thread
>bring up cuckolding out of nowhere
The Harmony contrarians truly are brain broken /v/ zoomers.

>>12362348
It's very divisive, you either love it or hate it.

>>12362325
Hot take, Order of Ecclesia is the worst Igavania

>>12362348
I like it a lot, but it's the worst of the GBA games. Only by virtue of all of them being really good. Really if the rng were less heinous and the run were tweaked it'd be better in my opinion.

>>12362601
That's not a hot take at all. Still a great game though.

>>12362338
This game is just bad, I had it on original hardware and it was hard to even keep track of my character out on the schoolyard. I had to play it at home to see what I was doing

How big of a commercial failure was it? It sold less than Order of Ecclesia and that's the game where Konami killed the series.
I'll never understand why people try to argue it's not one of the weakest in the series. The only argument ever brought up is that Circle of the Moon is apparently dogshit. Doesn't make Harmony any better though.

Here's the Metroid and Mega Man Zero GBA numbers for comparison

Title (Release Year) North America Japan Other/Global Total Global
Metroid Fusion (2002) ~980,000 ~150,000 ~470,000 1,600,000
Zero Mission (2004) ~470,000 ~80,000 ~290,000 840,000

Title (Release Year) North America Japan Europe/Other Total Global
Mega Man Zero (2002) ~400,000 ~240,000 ~100,000 740,000+
Mega Man Zero 2 (2003) ~250,000 158,500 ~100,000 ~510,000
Mega Man Zero 3 (2004) ~230,000 121,800 ~90,000 ~440,000
Mega Man Zero 4 (2005) ~210,000 74,300 ~70,000 ~350,000

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>>12362639
Forgot the Castlevania numbers.

>>12362626
I know a lot of people love it but I just didn't like the level design and some bosses were really hard

>>12362639
>>12362642
>le sales
Shut the fuck up, cattle

>>12362639
AoS sold less than Crap of the Moon and yet everyone (but contrarian faggots) knows the former is kino and the latter is slop
HoD is better than CotM btw, sorry but even the weakest IGAvania game mogs that turd

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>>12362339
Best at wasting your time.

>>12362963
Other way around, Jester.

>>12362992
Platforming in a 2D game is bad?

>>12363406
No challenge just a chore. But at least you can see where you are, which makes it better than CotM.

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>>12363406
The Harmony defense force isn't sending their best. The revisionism in this thread is sad and pathetic.

Both it and Circle were black sheep and never referenced again, almost every other game appeared in the Harmony of Despair including fucking Getsu Fuma.

Iga obviously didn't give two flying fucks about this game and knew it was trash.

>>12362629
Sorry for your trauma, honey!

>>12362724
but bigger number means better game

>>12363529
Yeah, that's why he brought in Koji Horie in for PoR and OoE. And no one with half a brain gives a shit about Iga's opinion and whatever fanfiction you make out of it.

>Circle were black sheep
Still the best selling portable game in the series. That's not how real black sheep games perform.

>>12363529
>never referenced again
https://castlevania.fandom.com/wiki/Greatest_Five

>>12362601
OoE was made with a budget so low they couldn't even afford to pay the usual CV artists.

It's one of these games that made my eyes and ears bleed simultaneously.

>>12364604
there are plenty of romhacks that improve the visuals desu
the music is unduly hated imo

>>12362325
>movement
unfun. Even COTM has better tech movement.
>Level design
also unfun and with a lot of backtracking.
>Enemy design
mixed on this one. Better than COTM and worse than Aria.
>Bosses
best part of the game.
>Visuals
idk gba had a crappy screen but you had those dot things that made aliasing and the games had a darker palette. But I think it would still look garish and annoying like it does in this game. Still one of the best spriteworks in the GBA trilogy

It's a 6/10 CV and 5/10 CV2-like

>>12362348
There are people who complain that DSS is the devil, and don't even get its replay value, which was a great thing for a handheld game at the time. I think it just messes with modern sensibilities too much for a lot, and they prefer stuff like mobility in HoD despite how obnoxious navigation is even with it.

>>12364545
Wait for real? I always assumed it had a higher budget than the other two DS games. The presentation was nice.
Save rooms matched the environment and it even had voice acting.

>>12364545
Somehow that's why the character art is a thousand times better than the saturday morning cartoon artists they had for dos and por

i know it's cheap to blame youtubers and their army of drones.... but this is a game that was rightfully regarded as a good one, if not great, before they started to being hipster about it. anyway if you dont like hod it just means you're retarded and gay.

>>12365302
it was made by newer, lesser paid employees

>>12365393
A lot of it is just internet extremism. I think it's the worst GBA/DS vania but not by enough to hate it. I'd certainly rather play it for the first time than replay any of the others.

>>12365678
The toss up between worst Igavania it's between HoD poorly design flow and progression or Eclessia's Shitty proto SOULSLIKE bad difficulty, some parts of that game felt like those shitty hard type hacks of SOTN or even that one for Dawn with Juste sprites.

>>12365678
I'm pretty sure "its just the worst of 3 good games" is the general sentiment, and people just like ragging on its flaws since they hold it back so much.

>>12365770
>they hold it back so much
wtf am i reading, why somebody should hold back at all? am i supposed to believe you went, yeah dudette i really love hod it's so cool, to get laid or fit in?

>>12362992
Amazing level design

>>12365782
Esl retard alert

>>12365782
The flaws of the game hold back the quality of the game experience, retarded ESL.

I always loved this game, Bought it when I was 12 and just remember thinking "wow its like they remade Symphony of the night on GBA"
Juste looks exactly like fucking alucard and even the little save room is the same

>>12365762
Ecclesia is much better than HOD. The problem is that enemies are spongy as hell and the game has poor scaling. Entering non-vr territory and jannies get mad about it.

>>12362338
fpbp

>>12362565
I mean no harm anon but can we agree to not say Metroidvania? It just feels so lazy and cheap.
>>12365393
It's a personal favorite of mine but I still enjoy it without reminiscing over my first playthrough.
It's a fine game, but maybe not the best gba game ever made.

Not retro but Lecarde Chronicles 2 is fantastic and highly recommended if you miss these games as much as I do. Are there any other good fangames or ROM hacks in the open-map style? I already played the retail game released by the same dev, immediately before LC2 actually.