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Is this an RPG?
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long-ass cinematic with some uninspired arpg elements here and there. Made Triss bearable at least
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>>3896505
It's sad to see someone so immersed in irony that they doubt all opinions that clash with consensus. This is an RPG board, people like RPGs here.
Listen to my story. I disliked this game well before this board existed. I never even played Witcher 2 because Witcher 1 was so shallow, a goddamn rhythm game for combat lol, and they then consolized the series with quicktime events. I tried W3 after a good buddy raved about it and found it completely vapid. The character building and itemization is incredibly poorly designed. It's entirely a narrative game and that's why people like it, for the cutscenes.
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>>3896533
A game with 100% mechanics and nothing else just becomes an exercise of making a number larger with no reason to care. Cookie clicker. I don't see the logic in championing one aspect to the detriment of all others.
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>>3896540
>A game with 100% mechanics and nothing else just becomes an exercise of making a number larger
It's a game, you care because the gameplay itself is fun. A game where the only interaction is making numbers go up is a poorly made game. There should be strategy and choices and interactions.
I'm actually shocked that I have to explain this to people who ostensibly like video games.
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>>3896545
I've never played cookie clicker, so I wouldn't know. But, then that means the game is fun and it isn't just about numbers going up, so I don't see your point. I think this conversation is above your capabilities. Like, do you really want to realize you don't like games in and of themselves.
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>>3896549
It's a legitimate preference. The enjoyment of and investment in these mechanics can often enhanced by the addition of at least some kind of story as part of the mechanics-story spectrum. Story extremists and mechanics extremists can be insufferable if they don't permit any middle ground and everything has to be a VN or Chess.
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>>3896555
You can blend anything, but games are fun apart from any story or reward or meaning. That's a fact of human existence going back to prehistory. Not recognizing that is delusional and mired in a confused view of what a game is. The fact is that when I go to play a game, I want a fun game and not an interesting story. I like interesting stories, and I agree they can enhance, but they cannot compensate for a shit game.
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>>3896898
>you could probably get away with just playing 1
Ftfy.
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>>3896879
That's how I did it. I played W1 and W2 as appetisers to W3.
I have no regrets, but you should be aware that the games make for a disjointed series. The critical character of Ciri isn't even introduced until W3 (in W1, she's converted into a boy called Alvin for some reason.)
Although you can start each of the sequels with a save from the previous game, this doesn't really make a difference.
If you don't enjoy W1 and W2 for their own sake, don't feel obliged to finish them. I did enjoy them, but the W1 jank might be too much for some people to stomach. That said, it has the best atmosphere of the whole series.
Lastly, forget about the books ... they're dogshit.
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>>3897127
Thanks guys. I haven't read the books. Watched the show but it hardly made sense. The only lore about the witcher I know is what a friend who is sort of a fan told me (not much, really).
Regarding the games, I don't mind a bit of jank as long as the combat is somewhat enjoyable. Are they relatively free in terms of exploration or more railroaded?
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>>3897131
Witcher 3 has a wealth of short-form stories yielded from free exploration, I did not feel railroaded (thought naturally not the entire world is open at once). On a spectrum of mechanics-to-story, Witcher 3 is maximising story and that will be apparent.
Also the DLCs are top-tier
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>>3897127
W1 Alvin is not-Ciri, and W1 Triss is not-Yennefer. This makes the first games pretty schizo when you know. At face value, W1 Triss is abusing Geralts amnesia to slide into the slutty sorceress role in his heart, and then gets all sullen when he figures it out in W2
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>>3896518
Fucking hate people like you, anytime anyone uses a word not in "See Spot Run" you start screaming either "BOT" or "Put down the thesaurus". I had one of you fuckstains say the latter because I DARED to use the word "Arbitrary".
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>>3897194
>Wait until they make it worse
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Y'know what could've been neat? Making orcs not mere brutes, but the second most widespread race after humans. Rather like ogres from Warhammer, they'd be spread wide and far, interacting with humans with ease thanks to their great strength and similar mindsets, and of course hating on elves.
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>>3896289
Only anon to get it right >>3896324
It's still a pretty good game to play if you wanna go on easy adventures killing nasty monsters.
Ignore every single post that calls it a movie game. There are cutscenes, but the best parts of the game are when you do small contracts and get money, and you can do that for days if you every get tired of the main quest.
Only problem is that when you finish every last contract, the game feels over. If it had a Bethesda-like thing to generate new basic contracts for you to play, it would be 10/10 for me.
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>>3897396
>but the best parts of the game are when you do small contracts and get money
A bounty hunter game would be great. Just contracts for bandits and monsters. Some to be taken alive, others killed. Add a few multi-part quest chains when you have to break up a gang. Design it in a way that they can add more styles of quest.
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>>3897390
>TW1 was made on a heavily modified Aurora engine.
yes but reworked to hell and back. cdpr pulled off some black sorcery shit to make aurora work the way it did.
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>>3897558
>How does it play compared to NWN1?
Very unlike it until you go into isometric mode and still thinking of individual attack sequence inputs as rounds. Than it all clicks together. Attack cycles are just a bit less canned and stilted, but you can see where it all comes from.
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>*whistles for magic horse*
>*autoruns on road to quest marker*
>*toucan sam vision activates*
>"Mhmm....giant slash marks all over the victim....a Drowner™, gotta be"
>"Come on, Roach"
>*follows nose*
>*guys in Drowner™ costumes appear*
>"OY BLOODY 'ELL FUCKING CUNT SHIT FUCK CUNT, IT'S A FUCKIN' WITCHER IT IS! GET 'EM"
>"Shit you stink" ALALALALALALALALA *sets guys on fire and they stumble and recover immediately, does a cinematic slash and cuts guys in half*
>"Mhmm....Bandits™ pretending to be Drowners™......better tell the village head about this"
>"Come on, Roach"
>*autoruns on road back to village*
>"OY BLOODY FUCK CUNT WITCHAH, WOT ABOUT DA CONTRACT WESE PAIDS YA FOR YA BLOODY FUCKING CUNT?"
>"Just some bastards posing as Drowners™, here's proof" *shows flipper*
>"OY KURWA, HERE'S YA REWARD DA WHOLE VILLAGE CHIPPED IN"
>"Drowning in Danger" Complete AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>10 crowns received
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>>3897588
>*shows flipper*
this shit still cracks me up
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The Fields of Ard Skellig invokes a strong sense of pathos for me. It's not a big booming brass track or full of dramatic strings, it's just simple and slow. It's the game's elegy. A final track to play as you sit high up on a mountain or glide along on the boat before you uninstall the game forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wkZu2kDeVg
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There's a scene in W2 (I think) where Zoltan Chivay evaluates one of Geralt's "silver" swords, and goes into elaborate detail about the forging process.
Basically, the silver is just a veneer over a steel core, thin enough that the steel is barely dulled.
Which suggests that humans really should be affected by silver swords, but I never really tried it so can't pass judgment.
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>>3897667
It's a just a video genre thing. In the books he doesn't carry both swords at once. He stows the silver sword on his horse because it is heavier and should be saved for when it's necessary against specific monsters. The steel works fine for everything else while being more comfortable to use and carry and I imagine cheaper to repair and replace
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>>3897618
Still hits me in the feels t.b.h.
I think of myself as a cold, unfeeling bastard, but W3 is one of those games that reanimates the emotions.
I am unironically more attached to Ciri than any real human being.
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No turn-based, no RPG.
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Did you kill him or spare him?
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I think it says something that an astounding 10% of players completed all the contracts when it seems nowadays that 50% of people don't play their steam games for more than 30 minutes
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>>3896289
>Pedos into Ciri
>Simps into Yenn
>Normies into Triss
Disappointed in this board for passing up one of the top tier Tomboys in vidya completely. All I cared about was seeing Ves's tatts in Witcher 2.
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>>3897732
Didn't he fight in self-defense?
Sure he went into berserker rage with the whole village, but a few of the villagers chose to murder him rather than pay him.
Even if he went overboard, he's justified in his agression. Spare him.
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>>3897698
Witcher really is the posterchild of toxic gender shit.
Not like it's unique or original. It certainly wasn't the first to do it.
But honestly, "gruff, rough and tough grizzled man with a sword accompanied by slutty skinny bimbo women who are mages and archers" is so fucking exhausted as a party composition. God forbid a man be the mage or use a bow from behind a woman knight. God forbid the women be shaped like anything but cookie cutter porn stars. God forbid a man have any emotions other than rage or lust.
I could go on. But anyway, I refuse to support or engage with any games that are just thinly veiled harem isekai slop. Especially when they have gameplay as shitty as Witcher. Begone, thots. I'm looking for characters who are somehow novel. In literally any possible way.
Last time I saw a man in a video game who wasn't a frontliner was probably fucking Golden Sun... And even there, the women were all backliners except maybe MAYBE for Sveta. And Valerie / Amiri in Kingmaker, I guess. Whoever that forgettable paladin bitch is in Wrath.
You know, come to think of it, Owlcat's games are the only RPGs I can think of right this moment which have been published in the last decade that had characters who broke out of the rigid gender roles of cliché RPG parties.
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>>3897885
Apart from various prostitutes, Ves was the only character I ever bothered to shag in any Witcher game. It just felt like a natural progression of our relationship.
I wasn't interested in either of the trophy sorceresses, who both seemed fucked in the head.
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>>3898630
The show all about how slutty female mages cast a lot of spells and manipulate men to do all the fighting for them? Hmmm....
No thanks. It doesn't even have Henry in it, and he was never really naked, so I never bothered to even begin watching. Which I wouldn't do anyway since I don't have a TV because I don't watch TV. Passive entertainment is so 20th century.
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>>3899095
format and re-install W7
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>>3899295
speaking of wheelchairs and witchers and cdpr...
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>>3899688
I got the steam version. Bought a witcher bundle for pennirs years ago but never got around to play them.
Installed 1 and playef through the tutorial. No crashes, bugs nor any issue so far. Controls are a bit janky but it helps if I think about it as a rearranged aurora interface.
The inventory kinda sucks, wdym I can't pick up a sword without discarding the one I currently have and then it's gone forever?
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>>3899772
>designer who specializes in User Experience, ACCESIBILITY, and Art Direction
LMAO
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>>3899725
Aaand the first ctd for no reason. Still not so far in the game to decide if I like it enough to deal with ctds or not. Feels like a slow burner, a game which grows on you as you play. I'll decide tomorrow.
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>>3896289
Well, you okay a role of Geralt the witcher and you can make choices that actually change the world around you in many ways. You are also given a choice in how to level your character, opening some and closing other, sometimes exclusive options. You cannot be not Geralt, you cannot be not witcher and you can't ignore main quests. Yeah it is an rpg, especially first two, I liked choices there more.
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>>3899095
No problems here boss
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>>3896879
You have a few options.
>Play Witcher 3
This will be the least rewarding experience you can have. You will play a great game and not truly understand why it so great at the same time.
>Play Witcher 2, then 3
It will an enhance Witcher 3 a bit, but not by very much honestly, may as well just skip to 3 at that point.
>Read books 1 and 2, play Witcher 3
This will enhance your experience of Witcher 3 significantly. Just reading the first two books gives a lot of context to the world and characters.
>Read all the books, watch summary of 1 and 2, and then play Witcher 3
This will an enhance your experience of Witcher 3 to an extreme degree, you are greatly rewarded for reading the whole series before playing. This is personally what I did.
>Read all the books, watch summary of Witcher 1, then play Witcher 2, then 3
This is what I wish* I would have done, but i just wasn't patient enough. This is probably the best option in terms of maximizing enjoyment of the Witcher IP(and 3) while minimizing suffering.
>Read all the books, play Witcher 1, 2, and 3 in that order.
Only choose this option if you want to suffer through Witcher 1. It did not* age well. It truly has horrible gameplay and is less connected to Witcher 3 than 2 and the rest of the books. Still if your metal and committed, this path will squeeze the most out of Witcher 3, but you'll have to suffer for it.
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>>3896516
desu I also thought the Witcher 1 sucked, specially in the combat mechanic and the stupid dice game where the algorithm just wrecks you, but Witcher 2 is pretty decent. Too long cutscenes and awkward stealth mechanic but nothing that really frustrates you. The dice game is also a lot easier
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>>3906442
Those are the two extreme types most likely to be a Karen about people being happy playing games. This is because it goes beyond preference and into identity/status, which is where "Karen" behaviour emerges. Every game is some kind of purity test along a single axis, rather than considering the entire experience. They will be the only ones to take an extreme single-variable position, because most people just want to play a game. You know what the internet is like, half the fun is calling one group scumbags while asserting your group as superior (which is what I'm doing right now, it's impossible to escape the factions). They can enjoy games however they want, this is just referring to the online environment around the games.
RPG discourse rewards absolutes and allegiances over nuance.
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>>3897396
What a genuinely horrible take. The contracts in W3 are only good because* they're handcrafted and well written. Do you genuinely infinitely generated ai slop contracts? Those would be meaningless garbage just like- per your example - a Bethesda game. How many of the infinitely generating assassination contracts in say Skyrim did you actually* do? Or the thieves guild infinitely generated quests? I've never known anyone to say "oh yeah random ai slop assassination #67 was actually my favorite quest and not a complete time waster, like at all" seriously man get ahold of yourself.
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>>3897396
I'm truly just baffled, the only conditions by which what your saying could possibly make any sense is if the W3 had a fire ass addictive gameplay loop. Thats the only possible justification for infinitely generated ai slop contract quests. But let's be honest, the gameplay in W3 is fine... nothing extraordinary, it gets the job done, not worth doing for the sake of it.
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>>3897396
>Only problem is that when you finish every last contract, the game feels over.
This isn't a problem, it's a reward. You make the gameworld noticably safer by fighting monsters, because if you do it right, they don't respawn.
You can see it yourself in the later stages of the game, when Velen is no longer plagued by roving packs of wolves, ravenous ghouls, colonies of nekkers etc. ... because you took care of them personally.
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>>3898114
>God forbid a man have any emotions other than rage or lust.
You have utterly misunderstood Geralt. His entire quest is motivated by his parental instincts.
He has more emotional depth than pretty much any RPG character in existence. He's simply 2deep4u.
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>>3896289
Witcher 3 is basically Skyrim but good
Which means that yes, it's more of an actual RPG than any of the Elder Scrolls shites
The only reason people debate if Witcher 3 is a RPG or not, is because the game doesn't let you create your blank slate character, and force you to play an already established character
So you can't freely roleplay in Witcher 3, but you do influence the world during main and side quests, which totally BTFO Skyrim's bland ass quests where nothing ever happens or meaningfully change
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>>3912361
Who's that?
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>>3897732
KILL. ALL. CATNIGGERS.
It wasn't the first time he'd sperged out and nuked a village. Cats are just the worst of the worst.
But Jad Karadin? That's a dilemma. A Cat that killed another Cat, who may or may not be lying about being reformed. Ultimately, I'll kill him more often than not because of Lambert, but idk.