>>3908594
Touch grass.

>>3908594
Most forced and samefagged threads on this whole board. 100% it's some discordtranny.

More like Underfail lol

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>2016+10
>Playing Underrail unironically
>Posting in Styg's backyard discord unironically
Bizarre humiliation ritual on your part, then again I'm not familiar with serbian customs, maybe you secretly enjoy being miserable

>>3908594
Everyone that matters already got over this many patches back. You can't really enshitify something that was already made shit long ago.

>>3908594
You can roll your upgrades back, you know. Then leave a bad review and put another 100 hours on the version you actually enjoy.

>>3908594
This update keeps crashing my game

>Like 50 retardedly strong build
>break 10 of them just to fuck with people
>claim this is balance, despite you having evidently given up on making a balanced TB system with Infusion

>>3908594
A more nuanced take

TM was hardly nerfed, Stasis was insane but 90% of TM dabblers don't even get it while every 3 WIL random build tacks on 35 to 55 points of TM for major improvement, so the "nerf' to TM was basically done in the worst way possible.
Minmax supersteel isn't OP and certainly not the best form of defense.
Crafting isn't ruined, the actual end-game crafting is only ~20 more skill points.
Are they retarded? Yes. one word: HP bloat

>>3909625
this.

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>>3909626
There's no point nerfing contraction further. It already needs a feat and full skill investment to be actually good.

Having more abilities will never make a character worse.
Give non-psionic characters some perk if you want them to be competitive.

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>>3909726
Styg put himself in a very odd situation.
He wants you to play a single character RPG where you're supposed to specialize in one or two things at best, at the same time he designed the game's content in a way that makes it so there's no actual way for you to truly make a unique, specialized character with a set of pros and cons, with actual different approaches to the game, instead he wants you to make something that falls into some vague flavour of alphastriking terminator that obliterates everything in sight, with maybe one speech check or lockpick check to avoid a fight every now and again.
It doesn't matter whether you achieve that by right clicking on something 1 or 10 times, it doesn't matter if it's about stacking AP for a death by thousand cuts knife alphastrike, big dick crits, "stealth" or tincanning, at the end of the day it's still all the same, that is avoiding any and all actual interaction with enemies, it does help that bear traps, molotovs, caltrops etc. are also a thing and work with zero investments but that does nothing but further funnel your characters into that sort of playstyle, because both the core battle system and the game's content themselves do not allow much if any nuance outside of the non dominating difficulties where you're just button mashing through a needlessly large amount of poorly made battle encounters, most of which are respawning monster filler.

What boggles the mind is that other devs like the Iron Tower folks correctly identified the core issue of single player RPGs that force specialization, which is the need for tailor made content that caters to specific character archetype and directly funnels them into specific content routes, even if it wasn't done well they still fundamentally understood the intrinsic needs of the formula they wanted to make, in well over a decade it's clear Styg not only didn't get this dilemma, he clearly suffers from massive cognitive dissonance on top of an overly inflated ego.

>>3909750
I think you're talking nonsense.
How is a tin can about "avoiding interaction with the enemies"?

>>3909726
>There's no point nerfing contraction further. It already needs a feat and full skill investment to be actually good.
this is just wrong

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>>3908594
Styg is based and the update was an improvement. Crafting was busted as fuck; people were making endgame shit in the midgame. Now all the spoiled babies are crying about it.

Infusion is going to be the best game of all time.

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>>3910260
He nerfed builds that didn't need nerfing compared to so many other things. He's clueless and his decisions were made out of ignorance and spite.

>>3910279
the builds he nerfed absolutely needed nerfed
you're a scrub, you dont know what you're talking about

>>3909788
>tin cans don't heavily benefit from alpha striking
kek

>>3910260
>>3910297
Forgot to say that I'm trans btw.

>>3910297
no melee build deserved to be nerfed. he's stuffed so far up his own ass, it's a guarantee that Infusion is going to suck of his sour dick cheese. It just follows a pattern.

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>>3910303
ad hominem, the calling card of people who are totally correct in arguments

>>3910307
incorrect
melee is plenty good enough, and dex melee was head and shoulders above str melee

>>3910308
>ad hominem
>YOU'RE FUCKING BABIES!!11!!!
Smartest discord tranny.

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>>3910310
I provided an argument, then insulted you. You have no argument, just petulant whining.

>>3910309
stupid discord trannies styg stuck in a bubble of AGP retards. the best of dex melee was middling and strength was shit, everything not melee was better. spiteful retard ate discord tranny cum to waste a 10 year anniversary nerfing builds that never needed nerfs. infusion is already a flop. it's over.

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>>3910316
I can tell you're indian

>>3910322
wrong again mr trannycord

>>3908594
Underrail has so many cocksuckers that it doesn't need to just be one guy.

>>3910338
we finally (well, like 10 years ago but it keeps getting content and improvements) get a truly good rpg to play and now every thread is full of retarded zoomer crybabies

no wonder video games are terrible these days, if this is the playerbase

the world a shit

>>3910340
Just proving my point.

it was a good game and now it's trannycord shit, simple as.

>>3910342
you're just too stupid for it now
you're bad at video games

>>3910350
stop showing your asshole to trannies, styg

>>3910359
why dont you retards just play on normal difficulty?
you'd go back to being buttfuckingly OP and having no challenge like you want

>>3910364
this is how your reveal your trannydiscord hand
the game isn't a challenge except on dominating
but the "10th anniversary" nerfed out 10 of the 50 viable dominating builds, and not a single one of the nerfed ones was in the top 10
you're talking from pure cluelessness and unjustified arrogance just to kiss a trannylovers ass
Infusion is dead

>>3910370
name them

there have been threads for years here and there have always been rabid fanboys who will spend the entire day debating every little conceivable idea
autists gonna autist

>>3910378
theres always been rabid triggered retards who cant handle the game not catering to them

>>3910373
unreasonably nerfed: dex melee and pistols
the stronger builds unnerfed: all the way stronger psi, crossbows, throwing and guns builds.

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>>3910381
I think dex melee is going to be fine. Pistols were one of the top 3 strongest builds, later on at least. Niggers have been crying about the psi nerf for years, and now you're complaining that they're not nerfed. Nobody says xbows are one of the "stronger builds".

It would have been appropriate to say that tincan tank builds got hit hard, because they really did. Tanks got nerfed more than anything with this update.

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>>3910384
whoops, wrong pic

>>3910384
>Pistols were one of the top 3 strongest builds, later on at least.
level 30 only console abuser confirmed.
>nobody says
aka trannydiscord idiots don't say, aka you

>>3910390
yeah okay faggot, I was giving you a shot to defend your stupid beliefs in good faith

>>3910392
oh I repent, grace me with your gay tranny butthole, I seek your approval so desperately. Unfunsion is going to suck

>>3910384
>Tanks got nerfed more than anything with this update.
What happened to tanks?

>>3910401
nothing, it's cope argument that tanks must be nerfed because if you dont' glass cannon 1 round alphastrike for 6000 damage you won't handle the new HP bloat

>>3910395
mental illness AND retardation, double whammy

>>3910401
its much harder to craft good armor now; 5 or 6 int builds cant craft the best ss gear, and will only craft the best tungsten stuff at endgame
enemies have even more health and get +2 or 3 crit chance to boot

>>3908594
>Why did this moron straight up kill the game by making the vast majority of guides useless junk
Explain to me why the presence of fan-written guides should dictate game design

>>3910329
>>3910322
>>3910310
>>3910303
>>3910342
>>3910359
>>3910390
>>3910395
RENT
FUCKING
FREE
Why do you let people live rent-free in that bottomless pit you call a cranium? Take some somatotropin and GROW THE FUCK UP

Styg lets the fans dictate game design all the time. It's not a coincidence he's always rolling out new patches that ruin shit or arbitrarily change the balance. He's a spastic serb who views himself as at war with his players and has to "beat" them by constantly changing the gameplay and shutting down loopholes or whatever. If he wasn't so mentally ill and pretentious he would have finished infusion long ago. But he has to drop whatever he's doing when he finds out someone is having fun and he HAS to put a stop to that.

>>3910456
Stygger added a tranny to the game in the update because he's poisoning himself with estrogen. Many such cases.

>>3910458
Yeah? And? What's the big deal? Go on, explain it to me.

>>3910486
>Chemically castrates itself
>Practices Self-Mutilation
>Announces to the whole world that it's gonna kill itself in the next 5 years
>"What's the big deal?"
Yeah, Tony, what's the big deal?

>>3910486
How is it "rent free" when it's referring to something that's literally in the game?

>>3910490
>cwying
That doesn't explain anything.
>>3910491
Because you're literally "cwying" like a toddler over literally nothing.

>>3910492
>something that is demonstrably in the game
>literally nothing
Don't you have a cock to be sucking, stygger? Or a sequel to not be making?

Melee is so unbelievably worse than guns it's insane. Why would any melee build need to be nerfed? You maybe start to get okay at killing things at like lvl14 on any given melee build. Meanwhile my unoptimised SMGchud was blasting everything apart from lvl6 and hasn't stopped since, using unique that outpace anything you can craft.

>>3910495
>Waaaahh!! Waaaaaahhhh! WAAAAAAAHHHHH
For fuck's sake type properly. Why are you making such a big deal over it? Seriously, grow the fuck up and start typing like an adult you goddamn zoomer.

>>3910497
>illiterate unable to understand a basic post calling anyone else a zoomer
styg's not going to fuck you because you spend all day fellating him for free, sis. But I'm sure you'll continue to cope and seethe about how his next game is sure to be the best game ever.

>>3910498
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Anon are you okay? Do you need a diaper change? Is that why you're all fussy?

>>3910499
>projection projection projection
As expected of a seething discord troon.
Concession accepted, better luck next time.

>>3910496
Working as intended btw
Game balance? What's that?

>>3910501
You still haven't answered the question and you just keep lashing out; "Why are you making such a big deal out of nothing?"

>>3910505
>You still haven't answered the question and you just keep lashing out
I have, though, you're the one who has been constantly seething because someone dared make fun of your autistic serbian overlord. By the way, mocking you for being a retarded illiterate is not "lashing out", that's what you've been doing. But okay, I'll play.
>"Why are you making such a big deal out of nothing?"
It's not nothing, it's something that is very demonstrably in the game. It didn't need to be included and, like many of the additions and adjustments that the serbnigger has made to his game over the years, is retarded.
>>b-b-but I'm so mentally ill I don't care about it and neither should you
Not an argument.

>>3910508
You ARE lashing out though, you start screaming about "troons" and "faggots" like a fucking schizo out of nowhere completely unprompted, so why are you so fucking OBSESSED?

>>3910509
>no argument
Once again, I accept your concession. Better luck next time!

>>3910510
Anon, I seriously want to know, why are you so OBSESSED with LGBT people? You've been samefagging across the entire site with this bullshit, so I want an answer.

>>3910511
>unprompted seething about samefagging
Better luck next time!

>>3910512
Anon, just answer the question: Why are you so obsessed with LGBT people?

>>3910515
I didn't make a single one of the posts you originally quoted in >>3910456

>>3910517
You're still obsessing, seriously, why?

>>3910518
>obsessing
What gives you that idea? I've spent this entire post chain mocking you for being an illiterate retard and stygger an incompetent one.

>>3910517
You can suck dick anon. It's 2026. It's ok to like sucking dick.

>>3910520
Yeah ok, Destiny. Whatever you say.

you know, why do autists get so mad about contraction and stasis
biology gives far more insane returns for a small investment
>focus stims
>crawler caltrops
>aegis
>hypercerebrix
>bullhead
>irongut

>noooooo you can't make fun of estrogen-sick men
yep that one is joining the 42%

Super Steel is too expensive wtf, I have to play like the entire game just to get enough money to make plates.

>>3910920
Skill issue.

>>3910925
I just saved up (at level 22) for 9k worth of plates and I got a bunch of 140s with 3 super steel refining data. I can go do institute and a bunch of expedition and MAYBE get another 9k by the end of it but at that point, what am I using the supersteel for? To look shiny for Tchort? I should have just gone 3 INT. everyone else must be cheating/scumming their items or something

>>3908594
>do some nerfs
>easy builds no longer work
>people have to actually play the game and struggle against the odds
>everyone cries, screams and complains
You don't want a challenge. You want the illusion of challenge while you win with ease.

>>3910933
Maybe they should have let you melt together lower Q supersteel into higher Q. For example, take the Q of the highest and add 20% of the Q of the other 2-3 plates, up to a max Q cap. Refining data raises the cap. (and allows you to combine them in the first place)

>>3910943
I've been thinking about how this game inspires such a massive outcry about nerfs and changes and such. I remember, once Infusion was decided to be morphed into a full sequel, someone even being furious about the lack of story continuation. I think that all the "tedious" and "make-work" design has absolutely forced players to engage with the game, its systems, and even its story to a high degree. The reason they buck so hard when changes are made is because they feel so close to it. It must be really validating for Styg and the other developers to see that kind of reaction.

>>3910943
This.
And they all come crying on 4chan because fuck knows there are no respectable communities on the internet that will tolerate such brainrotted whining.

>>3910943
>>3910950
>>3910952
Samefaggot.

>>3910943
the easiest builds are still the easiest builds, stupid discord tranny
>AR
>LMGs
>half the guns under the canine

he nerfed minimum AP, minmaxed fleet of foot fist and dagger shit because apparently his fucking tranny discord of cocksuckers don't know how to blow away half the screen with a non-crafted SMGs while having passive defenses out the ass or how braindead 100% hitchance cavewizarding is. It's a joke, he's such a fucking autist he took the 10 year anniversary of his game to shit on mid-tier builds in a single player game. His disconnection from reality is so extreme, I can guarantee that Infusion is going to suck gigantic autistic donkey balls.

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>>3910961
he did it because us discord chads are so fucking good at the game that we make melee weapons look really strong
one guy beat the game with a crowbar, then again with no items at all
I beat the 5th native invasion solo with no traps/caltrops/gas with a sword build
of course, that same fight is trivial with a gun build, but he has already acknowledged that ARs are intended to be an easy-mode option (because they are in real life too), and from that we can extrapolate other burst weapons as well

theres really no point to piss your pants and throw a hissy fit; melee is still plenty strong enough for the game on dom

>>3910981
>he did it because us discord chads are so fucking good
Faggots like you almost killed Iron Tower (unless their next game is something Vince took no advice from his fans on), that's not something to be proud of.

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>>3910985
I disagree, iron tower sucks and deserves to fail

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>>3910981
>discordtranny ruins a game
>boasts about it
we couldn't have made this shit up ourselves

>>3910986
Yeah, and when Stygger kicks the bucket, he will be the worst developer of all time whose failure was predictable too. I'm sick of history, I'm sick of it speaking in rhymes.

>>3910989
infusion looks fantastic from what we've seen so far
the usual suspects will bitch, but they always bitch
underrail sold well, expedition sold very well, heavy duty sold well
cry about it

>>3910988
we didnt ruin it, we're improving it
YOU think its ruined because its now harder and youre a retarded scrub

>>3910990
>he thinks people are crying about Infusions failure
they're laughing at it, they're not crying. autistic serb gets doped by predatory e-dosing men.

>>3910993
im talking about underrail
infusion isnt out yet to fail
you really are kinda retarded, arent you

>>3910994
>Yeah, and when Stygger kicks the bucket, he will be the worst developer of all time whose failure was predictable too. I'm sick of history, I'm sick of it speaking in rhymes.

>>3910945
this just circles back to how the whole item/merchant system is flawed.
I rerolled for a couple hours until I got all 170+s
This must be just how styg want's it.

>>3910998
no, styg wants you to accept that you're spending money rolling the dice
you choose to cheat, thats on you

>>3910998
>this just circles back to how the whole item/merchant system is flawed
I think you're right. Doing and optimizing merchant runs is neat, but there is definitely a problem.

>>3911001
Then he should implement a forced hardsave system, like soft ironman. But I think he and we all know that would be a mistake.

>>3908594
>Role playing game
>look inside
>gameplay revolves almost entirely around meta knowledge

>>3911009
>and save scumming
forgot because retarded

>>3911010
we know you're retarded

>>3911002
no, he shouldnt
you cant stop a scummy scrub from being bad

>>3911014
Come on now, your whole premise earlier was that the game/systems/whatever could be improved and you were going to provide the bulk of the feedback, right? The current design DOES rely on save/reloading in many ways, including supersteel. Don't cite ironman runs at me, those are impossible without a knowledge base built from save/reloading. I actually don't think it's a problem most of the time, but edge cases from RNG definitely do exist, unless you make fake RNG.

Even if you make the argument that there are enough charons in optimal Dominating to get a 95% chance of perfect supersteel, there's still an edge-case where you get absolute shit and some of your build choices are invalidated. Imagine a combat scenario where your bread and butter attack misses instead of crits, your backup cc resists, and the enemy crits on a 30% hit chance. The natural answer is to reload and do it again. Game's built that way. If you don't want that, you need to make a change. But it's ok, a little defeat now and then isn't so bad. Doesn't make sense in the case of supersteel though, feels like a real shit payoff for all that skill investment and player effort collecting cash.

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>>3911009
There's no roleplaying in Underrail, every "build" plays the same, you have no real agency on anything other than killing NPCs, quest design constantly funnels you into specific choices because some rewards and outcomes are overwhelmingly better than others and some "choices" are literal traps that do nothing but drain resources in a game with a faulty economy designed to be as tedious and irritating as possible.
At best you can call it a mediocre gambling simulator parading around as a Fallout homage because all you really do at the end of the day is praying to your 95% chance to hit things (unless you play pure PSI) and pray that your desired component quality is not below the 120-140 range, all the while you waste hours running laps around the vendors to slowly sell loot and wait for some of them to refresh their shop items.
All of this just to fuck around with a combat system that is somehow more archaic, poorly designed and barebones than 20 if not 30 years old games, all of this to somehow get dopamine out of unbroken chains of 95% hit dice rolls and god knows how many quicksave>loads, the serbian mind truly works in mysterious ways.

>>3910981
swords are as almost good as guns by the time you're at the 20-levels, the actually difficult part of dominating is the early-mid game before you get over that hill
i want to see something impressive, show me you saving newton with a sword and no caltrops, gas or traps

>>3911075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUwDJ0j_6JI&t=256s

>>3911154
Nice to see someone playing oddity

>>3911154
>cheats in his level and gear
>look guise you just need extra psi inhalants stealth throwing psi 5 nets 10 Molotov a taser (crafting only) TABIS BEFORE GMS 120 charon worth of psi training and riot gear, I'm totally legit and dex melee was outperforming my shitty sword wanks and needed to be nerfed!!
the riot gear isn't even a high chance of acquirement.

>>3911154
>>with a sword
>uses psi
Least illiterate discordnigger

>>3911346
not my fault you forgot to specify "no psi, no molotovs"

>>3911381
What do you think "with a sword" means, you retarded nigger?

>>3911388
she has a sword
she uses the sword
dont call me retarded for your mistakes

>>3911392
By your logic it would have been equally valid to shoot them to death with an assault rifle or lmg as long as you hit them with a sword once. How do you discord troglodytes even learn human speech? Not particularly well, apparently, considering you can't even parse a simple sentence.

>>3911396
not really
nobody has any reason to mix guns and melee weapons, whereas adding psi to a build is sensible and common
with tm, distortion is going to outdamage sword for the first two turns, and it has a long range so its just the sensible thing to use
after the first set of distortions goes off, it switches to sword being the better option, which is what you see

>>3911401
Your argument wasn't "adding psi to a build is sensible and common", it was "she uses a sword so clearly using anything not specifically excluded is fine". So congratulations on once again demonstrating that you're both illiterate and mentally deficient, I guess.

>>3911403
no, you said "with a sword and no caltrops, gas or traps"
you didnt say "no psi or molotovs"
you didnt say "a sword, nothing else"
the addition of "no caltrops, gas or traps" implies that I could use anything else, so long as I used a sword

checkmate, RETARD

>>3911423
So now you're back to your original argument of "an assault rifle would have been totally fine, as long as I attacked with a sword once"? Can't even keep your own argument straight, kek, you really are seething.
>the addition of "no caltrops, gas or traps" implies that I could use anything else, so long as I used a sword
If I say "with oxygen, don't use hydrogen" it doesn't mean you should go and use nitrogen because it wasn't specifically prohibited. You only read it that way because, as you have repeatedly demonstrated through this entire discussion, you are an illiterate retard who couldn't understand a simple sentence.

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no crying when I post the video

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>>3911435
lmao

>cheats in his gear

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>>3911435
I'm not even the guy who originally asked you to do it, kek. This is about you being an illiterate retard who couldn't understand something every other person in the thread could and who then spent two hours doubling down on it instead of just admitting he was retarded.
Imagine bragging about your supposed skill at a game while being unable to read at a grade school level.

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>>3911444
cry harder, faggot
you're too retarded for underrail

>the TM sword tranny with proclaimed flawless hit and dodge streaks just says you should RNG better while he cheats his dice rolls for items too
>calls it skill
congratulations you've owned yourself. cocksucked for nerfs on other builds in a single player game he cheats in.

>>3911446
>discord tranny now admitting the only way to get "good" at his savescum simulator is to cheat
Keep at it, kid. Maybe one day you'll graduate to a game with some actual challenge.

>stops replying and starts posting completely unrelated images as soon as he realises he's backed himself into a corner
kek
Concession accepted.

>>3911448
>>3911450
>>3911456
you guys could be a bit less obvious

anyway, I'll be posting another video where I beat mushroom cove with JUST a sword (+taser/nets), to prove that its not even that hard
dont know why im bothering though; crowbar guy did it with just a crowbar, which already proves you're just retarded trolls

>>3911462
Here, I'll save you the effort: >>3911445
>This is about you being an illiterate retard who couldn't understand something every other person in the thread could and who then spent two hours doubling down on it instead of just admitting he was retarded.
>Imagine bragging about your supposed skill at a game while being unable to read at a grade school level.

>>3911463
you keep saying there are contradictions in what im saying, but theres not
you're obviously trolling

>>3911463
kek, I just realized, not only are you retarded and bad at the game, you also kinda suck at trolling, which is your preferred way to spend a saturday night
SAD!

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>>3911465
>still doesn't understand what "with a sword" means when a literal child would understand it
>still can't explain why psi is fine but guns are not fine
>still can't explain the contradiction in his own argument >>3911431
>y-you must be a troll
kek, you really are seething. What's next, you're going to say you were just pretending to be retarded all along?

>>3911466
If I were trolling, I've had you replying for hours and you're going to the effort of making a video just for me. You discord kids really don't understand this website very well, do you?
Also, it's Sunday afternoon and I'm playing a better, actually challenging game right now.

Also, fucking lol at how I baited you into replying as soon as you realised people were laughing at your not having a response

>>3911468
what are you, chinese? ew

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>>3911471
One of God's chosen shitposters, actually.

>>3911474
ah, yeah, that makes sense
still probably chinese though, kek
or indian

>>3911477
The only Chinese people I've seen in years are the two cute exchange students who make my Kung Pao chicken every Friday night, and Indians are too busy making shill posts at each other on /v/ to bother shitposting here.
Hey, you should tell Stygger to hire some for when Infusion comes out. They must be cheap.

reminder to everyone at home: people are defending nerfing a fucking single player rpg

>>3911485
of course we are
the game isnt fun if its too easy

>>3911468
What gaem anon?

>>3911342
its there like 90% of the time

>>3911510
no it's not and it's provably not.

>>3911516
prove it

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>>3911506
ADOM.

>>3911208
Classic is for cheaters and scrubs. Unless they're playing on hard or less, in which case it's probably alright.

>>3911501
>difficulty = hp bloat
smartest underrail fan

the funniest part is that this just makes bad builds even worse, while the crit spam builds basically perform as normal.

>>3911522
>difficulty = hp bloat
what about the other 50 things in the update?

I haven't played this game in years, but the last (and first time) I played was with a generic sneaky SMG and sniper rifle guy who kind of used all the tools I had available, and I only had the base game.

My friend bought me the expedition expansion for Christmas and I'd like to play the game again. I know nothing going into the expansion. Would anyone like to recommend a build that would let me see a lot of the lore the expansion might have? I enjoyed sneaking around and learning about all the weird shit with my first dude, but he had no hacking, so I don't know how much I don't know.

Caveat that I play on normal/oddity because that's the difficulty I find fun. I was also making my own build up and it seemed to work well, so I don't need an exact sheet or anything, just the broad strokes and any pitfalls/things to look out for. Also, Psi seems cool just cause I never used it on my first guy so I have no idea about how it plays, but I'm honestly down for anything.

Thanks in advance.

>>3911537
TC + sniper is my go-to do-everything build
lore is always going to be will/int primarily, but theres lots of per secrets in the game

>>3911537
Do the same thing. Sneaky SMG with a Sniper is a really sick cool way to play

>>3911075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jspiwe8rLc8

I wanted a tungsten sword but this was so easy it wouldnt have made any difference. I actually learned something from this: shit is easy if you actually build specifically for offense. I maxed 8 skills until 6th, where I put some points in bio for poison. Got gobs of money to boot.

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>>3911501
Okay, how about we nerf the actually broken shit like bear traps, caltrops, ALL grenades, add actual hit rates to PSI and double all enemies' stats on all difficulties?
Also INT builds are too strong now so Styg should also nerf all INT related feats, and of course he should also nerf SMGs and everything related to them because they make the game too easy.
Oh and further slash your charon revenue by half, getting more than one Super Steel plate per playthrough makes the game too easy, nerf all the shit like Morphine, Hypercerebrix etc. because they give you way too many advantages, wouldn't want the game to be too easy after all.

And since we're at it, let's remove all difficulties but dominating and the Classic EXP option, since they all make the game too easy.
Oh and add a random 25% chance for Six to spawn as a hostile NPC in any encounter in the game, because as it is now the game is just too easy, we need a REAL challenge here for REAL gaymers such as ourselves.
Also remove the saving function because save scumming makes the game too easy, if you can't complete Underrail in one sitting without ever saving you're just not good enough, saving and loading is just bad game design.

>>3911548
that gear is ridiculous for level 3 it's probably simpler to just toggle on a godmode than cheat like that

>>3911581
I have advocated for bear trap nerfs forever
I think caltrops are fine
I had some ideas for nade nerfs but they were too complicated for underrail; maybe he'll do something like them in infusion
I have strongly advocated for psi powers being able to miss, though I think NO makes sense not missing (but it could use a very short range)
I did suggest at least one AR nerf; a close-range penalty
that Apex Hardcore copy/pasta I used to post had sell prices at 10% instead of doms 25%
I have suggested a doctors pouch nerf (-50% ap cost instead of -75%)
I'd be fine with classic getting the axe, but scrub difficulties are fine; they shouldnt be banned from a private game just because they're filthy normies

how about you just dont play on dom if it flusters your fanny this much?

>>3911582
*level 6

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>>3911586
So how come you're still playing this casual dogshit game where everyone and their mother can spam bear traps and chuck 'nades for free on Classic while deleting everything with AR/SMG bursts?
>how about you just dont play on dom if it flusters your fanny this much?
...bre, I thought we were HARDCORE???
This game doesn't even have permadeath or an actual Iron Man mode, it's way too easy, why aren't you complaining about that?
Don't you want to be HARDCORE???
Why are you so angry about some honest gameplay suggestions to make a casual game like Underrail actually hard?
Styg is a casual pussy, he doesn't have the balls to nerf shit like bear traps or ARs.

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>>3911591
that doesnt even make sense

>>3911592
What doesn't make sense bro?
Every retard out there can just pick up an AR tin can build with a gorillion bear traps and nades and rape the game on DOMINATING, this isn't cool, this isn't HARDCORE.
You can also savescum freely so that's not HARDCORE either, real HARDCORE games like Infra Arcana have actual permadeath and when you die your character is deleted, in Underrail you just savescum and reload with no punishment which makes the game too easy.
You say you don't want your game to be too easy and then you defend all of this shit and more that makes the game piss easy.
We're all HARDCORE gamers here, we don't have time for Styg's pussy shit, he should actually nerf all that shit and remove unfair shit like saving which makes the game too easy, also make the hit rates cap at 50% because 95% is honestly too much, it's too unfair and makes the player overpowered.

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>>3911586
>*level 6
it's not a level 6 quest, not practically. half the oddity you have need level 6 skill points to get. and you get magically all the perfect crafting stuff you need with 0 mercantile. like ninja tabi??? and a perfect riot gear? there's one *maybe* spawn of riot gear and it can easily be antithermic and kill stealth and somehow you have everything for a level 3 quest and 600 charons left over- like from fucking what? it's just cheat

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>>3911612
>don't have an argument
>better accuse the other guy of being mad
Discord trannies aren't sending their best, it seems.

>>3911623
you can easily be lvl 6 for it if you explore a little bit and use your skills, which is the smart thing to do
the only thing I crafted was the sword, and yes I bought the steel plate in junkyard, the plasma core from ezra, and found the shock emitter somewhere
theres no mercantile checks that early in the game, you dont even play this game, do you?
I showed exactly where I got the ninja tabis
"perfect riot armor" its a regular riot gear from the underpassages, which is very rarely antithermic
you get gobs of money in junkyard if you have high pickpocket, plus I sold some loot
lockpicking + hacking + pickpocket = moneybags

you're a brown person

>>3911623
>half the oddity you have need level 6 skill points to get
evidently not, as I'm exactly lvl 6 in the video

>>3911627
Bre just isn't HARDCORE enough, this is why he plays casual savescumming games like Undertail instead of actual hard games like Frogcomposband

>>3911662
Well, if the stygger changed it he wouldn't be able to call it savescumrail anymore, would he?

Just make an Underrail roguelike. That's what the players want.

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> everyone on the dev team absolutely hated making the game
> outranks every game that tried to succeed it 28 years later in terms of just allowing the player to do things
Is this the secret?

>>3911759
Obsidian made the best Star Wars game because they hated the setting.
Maybe you're right. Hate is a powerful motivator.

>>3911762
Star wars fans don't like it that much. Tell me what you think of deconstruction in Pillars of Eternity.

>>3911548
>level 6
Yeah whatever faggot, kys.

>>3908594
Are crossbow / trap builds viable on dominating?
Seems like you need a million low level feats to make it work and there just aren't enough slots.

Off the top of my head

>Aimed Shot
>Marksman
>Strafe
>Sure Step
>Hit and Run
>Sprint
>Trap Expert
>Quick Tinkering
>Opportunist
>Interloper
>Dirty Kick

Some other must haves
>Premeditation
>Snipe
>Special Tactics
>Deadly Snares

Then if you want to go throwing or spear

>Spear Throw
>Impale
>Fatal Throw
>Split Spare
>Pinning

Skill Points are also limited, especially with a psi build

>Spear means taking throwing AND melee
>Unarmed needs Melee
>Throwing knives needs Throwing
>probably minimum 3 Psi Schools if psi
>Probably dodge and evasion
>No points left for crafting

Do you think you could help narrow it down a bit? Had a few ideas but not sure how they work in practice.

>Could just remove strafe and eat the move and shoot penalty, will make early game difficult though
>Sure Step isn't 100% necessary unless your putting caltrops everywhere, maybe use metal boots but the armor penalty and no special booties
>Trap feats and Interloper seem more like Quality of Life, some people swear by them but I never tried them
>Marksman isn't 100% necessary but depends on how you want to go,
>Dirty Kick isn't necessary but is a good accoutrement for any melee build.
>Sprint and Hit and Run are both great, you could maybe do without them or put them off but they are best when taken early. Also everything seems to have kneecap shot now.

I just don't know how to make a crossbow build work, especially on Dominating. Are Traps / Crossbows not a good choice for dominating? Should I try a trapper build on normal or hard before trying it on Dominating? Are there any other good builds that work on Dominating?

>>3911917
absolutely
im doing one right now and so far its ironman

https://cannedbean29.github.io/UnderrailBuilderRemake/?HgMHBwMNAwoAAMKgAADCoMKgRkFEZFpRNxxlAAAAAE8DMAEmIn81MDgCTMOoS2oZHcKAM8KFbRpsw5zCnsKfwp3CrcOI4qCKBeKhpAXioowD4qOwAuKjsQXip74K374

>>3911917
Do you think you can help me narrow it down a little? I'm not sure what to pick.

>>3911917
Just play the game and see what happens. Improvise. Adapt. Survive.

>>3911925
what feats do you think are meh / garbage / overrated from that list?

>>3911917
can you still get a 95% chance to hit with the move and shoot penalty?

>>3911917
>Should I try a trapper build on normal or hard before trying it on Dominating?
It seems like you are at the stage where a playthrough on Hard would be good. You can try things out and figure out what feats and tactics work well. Hard was recently made more difficult, so it won't get boring as fast.

>Are there any other good builds that work on Dominating?
Lots of builds work on Dominating. The secret is, most of these expert players know how to squeeze every single bit of performance out of the tutorial sequence and to get through it every time regardless of build. Then when the world opens up, they know exactly where and how to ping pong around the world to get easy and quick rewards, so that their builds come online before having to do anything challenging. This requires both extensive meta knowledge, and a willingness to play in a specific and synthetic way for the awhile into the run, which works because the player becomes massively powerful at a certain point in the progression curve. Personally, I think the progression would benefit from being tuned differently, but maybe that's how Styg wants it.

>>3911917
does the pnuematic reloader apply before or after the AP reduction from a quiver? Do special Bolts have a cooldown?

>>3910297
ok you absolute nigger, go play barehand now. no other melees allowed. play that and tell me this shit ain't a problem.

>>3911988
What's the problem with fist, now? It went basically untouched by the update.

>>3911991
dex scaling got fucked, WE nerf, and cheap shots chance to daze goes from 15 to 8%. doesn't sound bad until you fight a robot or a hoard of guys early game. oddity is a must for fist now which also includes pickpocket and lock picking.

>>3912000
>oddity is a must for fist now which also includes pickpocket and lock picking
What's this word salad?

>>3912000
>dex scaling got fucked
So? You scale fist with STR. DEX scaling is for leather gloves.
>WE nerf, and cheap shots chance to daze goes from 15 to 8%.
That's a bummer but it's not that big of a deal imo.
>doesn't sound bad until you fight a robot or a hoard of guys early game
That's how fist goes regardless desu.
And the Heavy Punch buff does look good enough, although I haven't tried it yet.
>oddity is a must for fist
Oddity is the only option. I had to know it was a classictard shitting up the thread due to delusions taking hold.

>>3911988
bro, barehand was OP
yes it was always hard early, but killing robots and monsters with your BARE HANDS should be fucking hard, REALLY hard
thats a challenge run

anyway, some guy beat the game with 0 items, which necessitates using barehands, so the nerf obviously was necessary

as usual, if you dont like it, PLAY ON HARD

>>3912004
your bonus from damage scales from strength, but now your damage from skill (which is affected by the higher of your strength or dex) is reduced

>>3911917
you don't need sure step, hit and run, trap expert, quick tinkering, dirty kick, interloper, snipe, deadly snares, and you absolutely don't want any throwing because your belt is a bolt quiver full of special arrows.

I personally suggest the following. https://cannedbean29.github.io/UnderrailBuilderRemake/?HgMFAwMMCgoAAADCoAAAAMKgM0Y4AGRkADJkwqDCoAAAAAA1K8OnIj8mAio4woAhw6hLwoVqw5TCteKnvgHisJAB37w

Reason being is that you'll be in almost zero armor penalty gear for most of the game and almost nothing is going to get a chance to hit back and if it does it's just going to hit your massive crafted energy shield. This is where you wear an [Infused] Cave Leather Hopper Overcoat and ninja tabi ASAP which enhances movespeed both in combat and in stealth to a tremendous degree, so you just don't need all those points sunk into agility for movement feats, and you will always have illuminated, evasion-less and stunned targets at maximum range. Boost lab, juice, salad, goggles; I think this this the BEST Synesthetic Refocus user, so you'll have 18-20 PER. What you get out of this is the alpha-strike multi-target damage absurdity of glowing Proxy-Chain, stuns, glowing forcefield, a remote 5 AP combat trap that works on bots, silent 100% flashbangs,10 turn fear, etc.

>>3911933
Yes.

>>3911947
Before. Pneumatic Cyclon with a Bolt Quiver will have 14 AP cost.

Only Tranquilizing Bolt has a cooldown of 12 turns, it's a very unique kind of bolt that has insane utility very early on when fighting things with no damage threshold like Alpha Rathounds because it's a 5 turn silent incapacitate that you can restealth, drop combat with, or whatever else you can think of, but since it becomes very impractical to land it against all the things with armor later you'll generally ignore them. Otherwise special bolts don't have a cooldown, and you'll generally just hit everything with mk II shock bolts with the occasional poison and incendiary.

>>3912010
>Synesthetic Refocus
if you did use traps, and you used incendiary chemtraps, you'd proc ambush and get no darkness penalty despite not having NV
that'd be a neat thing to do

>>3912012
You get no darkness penalty because you are always illuminating your targets with Telekinetic Proxy and using Ambush for 100% critical hit chance.

>>3912013
proxy will only get some of them
a lot of maps on dom have you fighting tons of enemies at once

>>3912014
I've already done this on Dom. It was one of the easiest builds and most dominating builds I've ever played.

nerfing movement and dex scaling but NOT nerfing throwing or traps or psi was an insane balance move

>>3912007
you can lob off Tygrende's hands and he would still beat the game, matter of fact, he did exactly that on a pacifist build.
>barehand is OP because a guy beat the game naked.
and you can accomplish the same with any other builds besides MT. That doesn't prove anything.

>>3912051
it does
it proves that everything is good enough

>>3912056
so what happens if you nerf something that's just good enough?

>>3912058
so that its not good enough anymore? then thats a problem and it needs buffed

Why not just play an older version, or are steamfags so cucked they can't do that? Pretty sure the game is on GoG

>>3912067
cuz they like to bitch like women
probably are women, honestly

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Infusion takes a worrying ammount of inspiration from ship colony. Really hope it's not an unreal engine piece of shit and has proper zone transition because my pc does not like what it's seeing.

>>3908594
Man, while I can't disagree with the complainers it's based as fuck that he tries to force people to not rely on looking up builds on reddit. I just wish he made a game that was actually fun.

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>>3912083
its the most fun ive ever had with a video game

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>Find a loaded rocket launcher from the tutorial outposts
>"Best i can do is 87 credits"
Only thing i dislike about dominating is the pawn shop prices

>>3912161
It's single use, might as well get a grenade.

Miniguns got nerfed in the update because of the crafting nerf. Like pistols, if you're not crafting the perfect high-end minigun they're going to suck, and LMGs are just amazing out of the box, but having the INT just to craft a high-end Minigun that also needs 13 strength and tons of PER is just such a hit. The trannycords keep saying the crafting nerf was because people were high-end crafting at midgame, but, in reality, it just blanket nerfed high-end crafting and robbed a lot of mediocre builds from viability.

>>3912209
>The trannycords keep saying the crafting nerf was because people were high-end crafting at midgame, but, in reality, it just blanket nerfed high-end crafting and robbed a lot of mediocre builds from viability.
trickle-down balance is a meme, have no idea why retards keep falling for it.

>>3908594
I don't even understand why it was melee that got hit so hard. They are objectively worse than guns and have to actually deal with high DR/DT instead of just switching to armor piercing bullets and doing the same thing as every other fight.

>>3912281
One of things I can't believed he couldn't of buff was parrying, or at least get a spec point to do it more than once.

Getting dumpstered in depot A on hard. Time to kms.

>>3912319

what's killing you? I don't even fight mutants anymore except outside wyatt's place anymore so it's just the dogs and turrets if I don't take hacking.

>>3912319
Depot A is like, so unbelievably easy now for me I don't even know. Tell me your woes in detail

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Is level 28 too late to learn ambush? Just noticed it needs 6 perception and i have 4 so i would need to wait for 26 to get improved perception first

>>3912417
sounds really scuffed lmao

>>3912417
What do you think you're doing getting ambush with 4 Per? You know it doesn't work with burst, right? You also base ability points at levels 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, if you want to assign those around.

>>3912465
>it doesn't work with burst,
yes it does

>>3912417
It kind of is. You didn't need it anyway, so you're fine. Just inject a focus stim and put on some seeker goggles.

>>3912512
>You didn't need it anyway
Probably true. People just keep raving about PK and ambush with proxy and i already have PK so figured i could maybe give it ago. My only real options for the last feats are stuff like gun nut and nimble for slightly less equipment load or increased constitution and tempered electricity if i want to be even more defensive

>>3912519
If you figure you don't need any other stat, I wouldn't say it's not worth taking it. What weapon are you using? SMGs, right?

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>>3908594
Based Styg. The only thing he's doing wrong is not buckbreaking shop-rerolling component-maxing perk-prepicking sequence-breaking guidetroons even harder.

>straight up kill the game
>by making the vast majority of guides useless junk
No comment necessary.

>>3912552
There are lots of little things like dungeons, some quests, tattoos/charms decided on game start. Maybe he should do that with more things. Merchant inventories could be generated and fixed at the start of the game, and just restock the same items. Perks could be slightly randomised, with some not appearing at all in certain games to encourage a more dynamic run.

>>3912552
>>3912557
Good idea, but you're not taking it far enough. What the game should really do is determine early on whether a certain character is able to complete the game at all. Not too early (we don't want to make it easy for the player, after all), so maybe after, say, returning the drill parts the game can perform a hidden check. If passed you can beat the game, but in 95% of cases you can continue the game normally but once you hit a certain point or experience level Six appears and kills you instantly in a cutscene.

>>3912528
Shotguns. Sixth shell does so much work that i feel like i don't need high PER. I'm a sucker for ironman runs so i just started stacking defensive feats like thick skull, last stand and stoicism just to see how far i can get on dominating without dying or savescumming

Why does taking the parts out of Ray's jets make them cheaper, anyway? It's such a weird thing to account for.

>>3912607
You can sell the jets back and buy different ones, I think it makes sense.

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>>3912417
>>3912465
>>3912569
>lvl 28 ambush
>random burst disinfo
>in the end it's shotguns so ambush doesn't work anyway
lmaoing. but yeah shotguns don't need much per with leading shot, and it's easy to buff anyway.
temp elec is might be pretty good, coil spiders and TC fuckers are probably the only dangerous things left if you want to keep not dying. I do like me some gun nut esp with shotguns, big number funny.

>>3912630
Thanks for the free (you)

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proto expedition

>>3912634
that's like visiting an alternative dimension and I don't like it

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>>3912637
https://youtu.be/sLZ7RCxMCO4
overrail

>>3912634
>another game where you can get oneshot by an enemy outside your vision range
It really is.
Shame this dude doesn't do OSTs anymore, his work was great.

dude melee is LITERALLY so fucking ASS I'm level 15 max strength investment max melee investment and I have to wear a special belt and buy an extra turn to stockpile AP to swing a sledgehammer three times to do maybe 400 total damage BEFORE DAMAGE RESISTANCE while the average cave-huckler has 440 to 700 hp. Literally anything that has a projectile and can engage at RANGE does like 6x the damage per AP point.

>>3912640
yeah i'd love to see more from him, he's done amazing work so far. i hope he succeeds in whatever his future endeavors are with music.
https://youtu.be/VgnRQhCCMm0

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>>3912630
>in the end it's shotguns so ambush doesn't work anyway
Man... good thing i asked i guess

I'm over here trying to understand 4 PER shotguns

>>3912658
>damage is still ok despite the PER dump
>enemy evasion not an issue because of shotgun feat
There's no secret sauce, it's just that easy.

>>3912661
there's no way it does enough damage

>you MUST play a fragile weenie who gets throat choked by badass private military commander types
>you WILL use traps
>you WILL use throwing
>you WILL be dominated by psi wizards
>you WILL reroll for the tranny-lab
thanks styg

>>3912733
Is this "styg" in the room with you right now, forcing you to do those things?

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Guys I'm completely at a loss. I'm Level 16, I can't find any more free oddity, I can't past the first 2k hp guy in the arena, I can't kill for shit, I can't do the hathor quests/get a jetski, I can't do the first Praetorian quest, I can't even survive the junkyard ambush for free drones. I had no idea that nobody was going to sell me flashbangs other than the only merchant I'll ever kill, it just took me half the morning to scrounge for the power increase and flashbangs (hurray for protectorate killing bandits) and getting ancient rathound hides to kill the envoy for nailbombs thinking that it would give me enough damage to actually kill something with TfB but it wasn't nearly enough, and I can't even get a better weapon and the current weapon isn't even that bad, (awarded by Free Drones, is ~115 tungsten steel plate quality). I could go buy 60+ bear traps and caltrops and gas grenades to finish the beast quest for level 17 which I think lets me bypass the persuasion check to talk to the guy in the prison which finishes the last oculus quest but I don't get shit for power increase from oculus and even if I stacked the points into stealth to escape from dude's other quest I don't think in total that gets me to level 18 and I don't think level 18 is suddenly going to unlocking the several tiers higher of power I need in just two levels.

This shit sledgehammer shit just isn't working.

>>3912785
Hammers weren't made for Men

>>3912785
I don't play melee but that build looks all kinds of fucked
>taste for blood just for nail bombs
>heavy metal but no conditioning
>skill points spread thin as fuck
what the hell was the plan? gonna sneak up and kill one guy, run away, repeat over and over again for every fight in the game?

>no custom difficulty modifiers because (you) must play HIS game HIS way
>keeps tinkering with the balance even after ten years because he doesn't have a consistent game design vision or know how to properly balance a game
Nice work, Stygger. Infusion is gonna be great.

>>3912785
what difficulty is this

>>3912785
>no weapon crafting
What the fuck are you doing nigger

>>3912785
no crafting is a rip

>>3912785
>INT 4
3 points too high, but I respect it

>can't craft or buy bullet casings
>can't even dismantle live bullets for the casings
>the only way to get casings in any significant amount is to buy live ammo from vendors, waste it firing at targets and then collecting the casings
What is the Serbian autist's problem

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>>3913003
Wasn't there some story about Afghan militiamen under the burger occupation claiming to have had a massive firefight with the taliban but when pressed for more information they had actually just gone out into the mountains to fire their guns so that they could sell the brass casings

>>3912785
>5 Con
oh nononono

>>3912785
>I can't kill for shit
>has a couple of basic bitch sledgehammers with no spikes or electroshock generators he probably nabbed off a low level ironhead enemy's corpse
>low constitution, so would never be able to make effective use of Super Slam
Please tell me this isn't on Dominating.

You dont need more than 7 con.

>>3913018
Your shit build is a useless gimmick.

>>3912785
>where's super slam
Its thee feat to get unless your doing crit hammer with heavyweight but you don't have the Con for that. Are going for Balor

>>3913018
Just Stoicism, huh?

>>3913043
>just stocism
I though for a psi tincan build you need stocism, conditioning and juggernaut?

>>3913004
First I'm hearing of it but that sounds hilarious, kek
Based tribals. It's like any government/corporate budget, if they give it to you you might as well use it because if you don't they'll just give you less the next time around.

>>3913018
I did a tank build with 6 con. It was perfectly fine.

>juggernaut
Meme feat, even on dominating.

>>3913055
juggernaut is good.

>>3912825
yea.
>>3912834
Play melee then. You need TfB for damage, and nail bombs are an excellent deal because they deal damage, are cheap as hell, and apply vicious wound and they stack TfB really fast. ie. Adrenaline->nailbomb+drug/throwing->free pummel->2 bonks, by the second bonk it should be at 10 stacks and something is dead, and yell+drug makes me almost invincible for 3 turns and hopefully the fight is over, or I stealth out. If I was doing spears, I would just be doing nailbombs into sweep stab-stab; same thing.
Conditioning is level 18, it's low value early it only matters when it starts stacking with the other sources of damage reduction like Aegis and Ancient Rathound which you don't start getting until the level I'm at. FWIW, this Sledgehammer just raced through everything until the end of Depot A.
>>3912871
Dumbinating, obv, that's how you get 2160 hp on the first challenger in Arena and Gubbin's having 2700.
>>3912998
>>3912999
Right now the meta is everybody has to an INT-fag and I refuse to accept that was the point of stygger's last patch. Going high INT on any STR melee is absolute cancer.
>>3913015
>>3913026
Superslam sucks ass. 3 Turn cooldown and its scaling attitude is entirely based on not-Hard+ health numbers. If I had Superslam right now I'd get 50 extra pre-armor mechanical damage once every 3 turns. *Expertise* is nearly 3x the damage.
I'm going for Balor's. Specifically, free pummel with Quake then using Balor's. That *should* be good enough for killing. Even if I had 6 INT I wouldn't be crafting much better than what I currently have, which is ~115 Tungsten. It's not just the extremely high crafting skill requirements before I have a house, before I can find Hypercerebix, before I could bonuses like Lemurian Engineering Suit, it's also being unable to acquire the high quality materials to make some godly electro-hammer.
>>3913007
It is a sacrifice. Better than 3 at least.

>>3913094
>Superslam sucks ass. 3 Turn cooldown and its scaling attitude is entirely based on not-Hard+ health numbers. If I had Superslam right now I'd get 50 extra pre-armor mechanical damage once every 3 turns. *Expertise* is nearly 3x the damage.
Your math is a tad off.
It would be 168 bonus damage in total if you had a spiked hammer. Now imagine if you had 10 CON + CON/HP boosting gear and/or juggernaut on top of it, and the scaling only keeps getting better and better as you level up. Oh, and it accounts for crit damage too.

>>3913102
Even if it were 168 bonus damage (doubt) once per 3 turns, expertise is currently, at level 17, 51 points of damage per turn, and wouldn't need any of those requirements. No crafting, no con stacking, no hp boosting gear clogging up my damage resist, no 50% armor suit tanking my stealth/mobility.
>it crits
ok do we just reload if we don't get a superslam crit on turn one? What if I just crit regular attacks twice instead?
>*cough* *cough* styg's gayload savescum gambling addiction simulator
no ty

Sometimes I wonder if anyone even likes this game

>>3913107
>Even if it were 168 bonus damage (doubt)
Nigger, you simply don't understand. Super Slam isn't just accounting for the base sledgehammer damage, it accounts for EACH AND EVERY SPIKE. 42 x 4 = 168

The 168 figure is just the lowest possible estimate in consideration to your build and current level.

There should be more lightning abilities so I can larp as a sith lord.

>>3913112
Emps and self recharging should be added for utility PK. TC should give a bonus scaling with merc or persuasion to give you better prices/lowering their checks could cap to lowering the amount by 40%/50% if at 160 TC

>>3913111
>Nigger, you simply don't understand. Super Slam isn't just accounting for the base sledgehammer damage, it accounts for EACH AND EVERY SPIKE. 42 x 4 = 168
and even if true, it's once per 3 turns and REQUIRES a CRAFTED hammer. I'd rather not.

>>3913112
I want an ASMD where you can fire off a lightning ball and then shoot it to make it explode

>>3913112
There should be a PK version of pyrokinetic stream but with lightning.

>>3913114
>and even if true
Why are you so damn haughty? This is common knowledge by now, look it up if you don't believe me.
>it's once per 3 turns
With infinitely more pay-off than Expershit.
>and REQUIRES a CRAFTED hammer.
A spiked hammer is a bare minimum pre-requisite for hammering, craft or no craft. If you can't even do that, then you're wasting your time. You don't even have Quake to compensate either.
>I'd rather not.
Then Pummeler will proceed to make you his bitch live on the Arena feed.

>>3913113
Self recharging could work like precognition where it drains psi slowly to recharge gear or like empowerd psi. Where your completely drained but you can fully recharge your gear % wise base on skill...
and hemo leaves you at 1HP

Would metathermics give you more cold/heat resistance?

>>3913121
100% heat res with exo aura and some cold res but you get put out by cyro attacks unless fully stacked on warmed up I think

>>3913119
>craft or no craft.
how does that work genius. you have to craft a spiked sledgehammer, you'll never find one.

>>3913003
funnily enough dirty tom sells them, and not much else worth buying (except cracker caps I guess).

>>3913007
not that anon but 5con is the patrician pick, with other defences its enough to survive 1-2 rounds in a bad position which is enough for most builds to not feel like they're made of glass
i'm autistic though and i think it's immoral and immersion breaking to take psi on a 3 will character

>juggernaut and stocism are both 7 con
You dont need more than 7 con

>>3913156
True, con is only useful for feats. No skills, shit HP scaling. Should be 50% more.

>>3913199
>shit HP scaling. Should be 50% more.
Then play the game as intended, on Normal difficulty.

level 19 and some change now. I should be able to kill Balor

>Used talk no jutsu to solve camp hathor and rail crossings problems
Where should i head next? Core City?
Also fuck this new captcha

>>3913490
after hathor, i usually do a mix of core city, foundry, and rail crossing, do most of foundry before rail crossing for story related reasons. you be going back and forth to all these places and sgs for some of the core city and foundry quests

>>3913453
You can kill Balor pretty easily with enough traps and poison. Napalm grenades are great for clearing out the trash but there's a lot of them and the layout of that map makes it hard to funnel them.

>>3913131
>you have to craft a spiked sledgehammer, you'll never find one.
I'm like 90% certain you're gaslighting me on this, but idgaf. Your build sucks.

>>3913131
>how does that work genius. you have to craft a spiked sledgehammer, you'll never find one.
Why don't you think about it for a little longer, maybe it will come to you.

>>3913094
Having to rely on drugs for staying power on a build with a pitiful amount of biology (and 4 int despite the amount of points you have in crafting skills) is very not ideal, you shoulda either gone all in with the crafting and aimed for a crafted sledge and a bioregen metal suit and dropped agility to 6 while bumping up int, or given up on crafting entirely in favor of maxxing dodge/evasion and going rathound regalia with quake/balor, not bothering with heavy metal because the damage reduction isn't worth 60 points in a skill you don't otherwise use. You're trying to invest in too many different things and the result is what you complained about in the first post.

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>>3912569
>What the game should really do is determine early on whether a certain character is able to complete the game at all.
>>3912569
>in 95% of cases you can continue the game normally but once you hit a certain point or experience level Six appears and kills you instantly in a cutscene.
I've seen enough. It's time for you to apply to Stygian Software as lead designer.

>>3912569
>whether a certain character is able to complete the game at all
Realistic. Sometimes, people are just cursed to fail in life no matter what they do.
A hidden "bad luck" modifier would be good. Reduces all your chances and increases the enemies, but displays them as normal. The game would tell you that you have an 80% chance to hit, but actually it's 60%.
Or maybe total inversion. The lower your displayed chance, the higher your real chance. That would be your character being a natural schizo.

>Pick psychokinesis
>Only find psychokinesis imprints as random drops
This is a blessed run. All that i'm missing is the electric trap thing

>>3913501
NTA but I think the cave dweller hole spawns it if you get it but your rolling for that.
Besides trichrome is the best spiked hammer you can make which isn't gonna spawn off that or in good quality
I've done MT hammer and had like 600HP by end game to shatter dudes with it, Hell PK with chains prob can nuke groups now. Your just too constructed by base attacks which you don't have the HP or defense for, hell not even the swings to take out group

>>3913558
Thanks! I screenshotted your post and included it with my application.

>>3913569
>All that i'm missing is the electric trap thing
Im pretty sure that has a sure spawn in one of the barrels in the stalker underpass base.

>Gives high-technicality to swords.
>Flurry will fail if electric or energy damage executes the enemy.
???

>>3913594
blame this failure on the nature of your build

>>3913594
kek good. swordtards eat ass

>>3913608
Nope, if styg made it so flurry won't fail if you execute with the 1st-2nd hit then this is just a fuck up on his end.

>>3913594
Small indie developer, preasu understandu

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>>3913498
Yeah as long as restealthing is possible so one can take the other guys in smaller groups, Balor himself is really simple as he just gets kited forever. The only hard part is actually just taking out the smaller groups. I bet, if dedicated, that map is reasonable level 14ish to clear but that require far far far more reloading I would care for with sledgehammer. I prefer to have turns that are virtually guaranteed not to dud with like a Commando still standing with 5% hp left in front of you.

>>3913501
>>3913514
>>3913533
>IF YOU AREN'T CRAFTING IT SUCKS SLFSHGBALGULPGULPGULP
>crafting gets mega nerfed
>literally no reason to go INT
>INTfaggots haven't even played nuDom melee without cheats yet

Let's say I had cut DEX and a point of AGI for six INT- a bunch of sacrifice and skill point losses in throwing, lockpicking, and pickpocketing not doing me a lot of favors. Then, at level 19, this TiChrome piece of shit would be about the best thing I could make, contrasted with what I could just pick up 5 levels ago and the unique we are guaranteed. Balor's > you INTfags.

>>3913660
>whines about not being able to make any progress
>complains when people call his shitty build retarded
>too illiterate to properly read the posts he's responding to
I'm glad people held your hand long enough for you to get a big-boy hammer, anon.

>>3913661
whatever, armchair intfaggot who hasn't actually done anything in nudom without cheating

>>3913662
What's the point in seething at the replies to a post where you directly admit to being a retard struggling with the game? Humiliation fetish?

>>3913663
>>3913662

>>3913670
Concession accepted. >>3913661

>>3913671
Go look at the crafted hammer again.
And reread
>Even if I had 6 INT I wouldn't be crafting much better than what I currently have, which is ~115 Tungsten. It's not just the extremely high crafting skill requirements before I have a house, before I can find Hypercerebix, before I could bonuses like Lemurian Engineering Suit, it's also being unable to acquire the high quality materials to make some godly electro-hammer.

That "crafted hammer solution" is right there in the picture, and it sucks ass. The most laughable advice so far was the suggestion of getting anywhere close to a decent metal armor with a regen vest that would actually doing anything other than just dying as soon someone shoots something more than 5mm at you. The top end stuff doesn't even work at 6 INT until you actually every possible bonus to crafting and you're level 25. Whatever you think you could do off a build calculator where you just imagine walking up and getting whatever bonuses you need don't apply because you aren't actually playing the game where you have to get through the 960 hp rando bandit and his cavebuddies with your wet noodle "sledgehammer." The crafting faggotry is flat-out bad advice.

>>3913677
>crafting is le bad because I need INT, or something
>so I'll play through the game with an extremely shitty, sub-optimal build until I can finally wield my unique that requires me to be pumped on drugs every encounter before I can reliably wield it
lol whatever dude.

>>3913677
Do you know what the word "minimum" means?

>>3913678
>crafting is le good because I'm a bad discord theorycrafter
>hasn't played through the game at all
this is you. also
>FWIW, this Sledgehammer just raced through everything until...

>>3913682
>>FWIW, this Sledgehammer just raced through everything until the end of the tutorial
Why didn't you finish quoting your own post?

>>3913682
>I NEED to put those points in skills besides Mechanics for my psiless hammer build because.... I JUST DO, OKAY?!
>>FWIW, this Sledgehammer just raced through everything until...
Until you hit a brick wall because your damage output sucks and your defensive prowess sucks.

>>3913684
You *can't* craft the magic crafted hammer by the time you get Balor's. It doesn't exist. The offensive power you imagine willing into existence isn't happening. If you would *actually* play the game, genuinely played nudom, without your hacked in console, without whatever cheats you think you deserve to run because you think you're just saving time; you'll realize how much it sucks an actual donkey's ass compared to anything that has a burst fire option, or can hit targets at the end of sight range, or doesn't even have play with dice to land a hit.