old republic as in an older version of the republic, not current republic.
same tech levels, different gov't

>>3916684
4000 years ago we were just inventing writing on clay tablets. In the present we have iPhones and international airports.
4000 years before the prequels in the Star Wars universe should not have the same level of technology and the same kinds of cultures as what we see in the prequels.
I'm honestly surprised this bothers less people.

>>3916685
>I'm honestly surprised this bothers less people.
The secret is to stop caring about it, once it changes hands, and/or the original creator(s) make it retarded. See also: Fallout, Final Fantasy

>>3916685
Maybe at some point tech has just advanced about as much as it's possible to.

>>3916694
>Maybe at some point tech has just advanced about as much as it's possible to.
Reality is simply more interesting than that (hence Kotor is bad writing).
Technology just doesn't peak and then stagnate for 10,000 years, what happens is technology reaches a point where it's so fucking strange the implications would be incomprehensible.
Just as an example, there have been studies on the brain where electromagnetic stimulation produces hallucinations. There's also already EMF riot control technology that can change the emotions of groups of people, to pacify or even incite riots.
Thinking about this logically, if we have the technology to control people's emotions at a distance with electromagnetic waves, and we have the ability to induce different styles of hallucinations and dreamlike states using more direct electromagnetic stimulation of grey matter, you could imagine in the future we might make a device that could induce hallucinations using electromagnetic waves from a distance.
And following that logically: how do you know for certain that that level of technology isn't being used on you now, in this very moment?
And that's just one example of near-singularity technology: How about self replicating nanomachines and the grey goo hypothesis?
How about roko's basilisk and time travel manipulation technology?

With all these ideas in mind, examples of good Sci-Fi and irl advancements, Kotor looks very poor in comparison.
It makes the fact that it's a cheaply written setting that does the bare minimum to get Star Wars iconography into the game painfully obvious.

>>3916680
Star Wars is fucking stupid, true, but this shit is found in many settings where the time periods involved are way too long. TES is the same.

star wars is fantasy not sci-fi and it doesn't even pretend to be

Previous thread: >>3904413

>>3916701
bro real human societies stagnated for thousands of years, on earth
technology isn't magic, the end is the end

that em shit isn't real btw

>>3916685
they do have different technology levels the problem is most of it had gone to trash once disney took control and it seems the galaxy is in constant state of retards war with planets being giant techno feudal societies with some ecumenopolis here and there... Welcome to 40k

>>3916701
>Technology just doesn't peak and then stagnate for 10,000 years, what happens is technology reaches a point where it's so fucking strange the implications would be incomprehensible.
Technology isn't a linear system of progression with continuous advancement and knowledge, life isn't a giant tech tree. Knowledge gets lost see stuff like Damascus steel, greek fire etc. even if knowledge is discovered that doesn't inherently mean it's applied, see how the greek invented locomotive steam appliances (I know it isn't exact steam engines, but something akin to it) and it never triggered the same industrial revolution that occurred in the 19th century because the conditions for it were not there at the time.

>>3917364
>Technology isn't a linear system of progression with continuous advancement and knowledge, life isn't a giant tech tree. Knowledge gets lost see stuff like Damascus steel, greek fire etc. even if knowledge is discovered that doesn't inherently mean it's applied, see how the greek invented locomotive steam appliances (I know it isn't exact steam engines, but something akin to it) and it never triggered the same industrial revolution that occurred in the 19th century because the conditions for it were not there at the time.
That's discounting about 1000 years of philosophical development that led to our being able to develop modern technology.
Again: an exponential curve. It's relatively easy to see where this stuff leads, and it's not 4000 years of stagnation.
Anyway, the problem with Star Wars as a setting in general is that any civilization sufficiently advanced to create FTL travel (or even just to use FTL travel gifted to them by offworlders) will inevitably be a near-singularity civilization with this extreme level of "meme technology".
This is because FTL travel would be closely related to the development of time manipulation tech.
I can accept the prequel movies and the original trilogy. They're not good sci-fi, but they depict a galactic civilization in a span of time covering about 50 years or so, so it's easy enough to accept what's depicted in those movies given that it's such a short span of time.
But when you ask me to believe a civilization that is almost exactly the same as what's in the prequels existed 4000 years before what we see in those movies, you lose me. The galaxy would be different.

You know, this is so self evident it doesn't need further explanation.

>>3917400
>It's relatively easy to see where this stuff leads
Brown hordes twerking on the ashes of civilization

>>3917400
Couldn't you make the argument that the only civilizations that could possibly last that long would be those that purposefully stagnate at a level where their constituents can work within a comprehensible whole? Most probably wipe themselves out of existence.

>>3917415
>Most probably wipe themselves out of existence.
Filtered.

>Using big boy words like logically.

You cant logically deduct that in a fantasy galaxy the civilisations have the same development than in the milky way. Thats like saying a train and the picture of a train are the same thing because the picture depicts what looks like a train.

Thats why its fantasy and only has to follow its inherent logic and even then not really if you consider that Star Wars Old Republic era and Star Wars Galactic Civil War era are essentially different universes even if the timeline is coherent in both.

Btw humans (sapiens) had probably almost the same technological advancement for around 60 000 years their predecessors (still sapiens) for more than 200 000 years, the forms before that for several million years. 95% of development in the last 10 000 years happened in 10% of that time. "We" used spears for probably ~2 000 000 years, clubs and chopping tools for 4 000 000 years continously till today. For literally millions of years of history, technology almost didnt advance at all because humans hit a ceiling in their capabilities. But its hard to believe that civilizations dont move for 4000 years? China is around 5000 years old with written history of about 3000. Of that time they drastically changed only in the last 200 years. Unlimited, exponentially steady growth is the dumbest concept of you futurist faggots ever. I can smell the Dyson Sphere idiocy of you mouth breathing, chimp faced tard from here. Muh magi-tech in 100 years my ass. Go mine mercury.

Just read the TOR lore then. Technology was different before the Rakatan Empire and shortly after it.

>>3916680
It's different enough that it can sell the illusion of being different; it does also bother me a little. However, things to consider:
1. It's made up.
2. Nothing is 1:1.
3. Time isn't linear.
4. The capacity of a species to do something is limited; how can you go "up" if you've hit the ceiling?

>>3917400
>sci-fi
Wrong genre, which seems to be the core issue here (besides your Western worldview). Space opera != sci-fi.

>>3917459
I agree with you but "China" didn't exist until ~1500 BC, and changed drastically until it solidified with the Qin/Han. The changes to Chinese society are the result of our Western civilization's growth rubbing off on them, which is very nearly at its final stage (universal empire; ~2050 AD).

>>3916680
First, the Galactic Civilization itself has been space-faring for 25,000 years. For 25,000 years, they could traverse the entire galaxy within a few days or hours.
Second, They offloaded their thinking to computers and their work to Robots somewhere in that period.
Third, You have sentient species that can live for hundreds or even thousands of years. Yoda is 900 years old. Wookies live for hundreds of years.
>>3916706
Elves live for thousands of years. There are Telvani Wizards who have been around since the merethic era. Magic can do anything you want it to then there's no inventing things.

>>3916701
>How about roko's basilisk
Oh no it's retarded

>>3917400
>This is because FTL travel would be closely related to the development of time manipulation tech.
Why?

>>3918459
>Elves live for thousands of years. There are Telvani Wizards who have been around since the merethic era. Magic can do anything you want it to then there's no inventing things.
Anon, elves live in dirt floor shacks in Seyda Neen.

>>3916701
>>3917400
based future knower

>>3916680
Human history and the history of a galactic civilisation are hardly comparable.

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>>3917940
>Uh? Ackshaully, Smash is NOT a fighting game at all! Nor even a remotely similar genre! Your whole world view is clearly upside down, my good man
>WTF DID YOU CALL ME?? HOW FUCKING DARE YOU INSINUATE I'M AUTISTIC?? SPOILER ALERT, MUH EXPERTISE IN GENRE-DISTINCTIVENESS != AUTISM. EDUCATE YOURSELF, WESTERNER
whiney autistic worm

>>3918497
Because techbros without the slightest grasp of physics besides having watched the big bang theory think that at some point we do the science™ so much that it will catapult is into some kind of fantasy universe where the science™ is so wild its akin to magic.
Which is what happens if you take unverified thought experiments or a hypothesis, rip it out of actual scientific context and make it accessable as popular science in its isolated state. There is a theory that states that tech will be at some points like magic to idiots and the techbro retards make of this that we will make magic exist and all you can dream of in your heckin superhero comics will become true.

>>3917940
>>3918496
>>3918459
Back on this thread again. I'm not complaining that the setting of Star Wars isn't like real history, I'm saying that the setting of KOTOR is very obviously and willfully chock full of Star Wars cliches in order to get the most amount of member berries from it as possible.
The pace of technological progress is exponential.
Spacefaring civilizations frankly wouldn't look like they do in Star Wars at all, but they definitely wouldn't look the same for 4000 years either.

In Kotor there was just no effort at imagining the difference that 4000 years makes.
It is very obvious the setting was written so you could have a knockoff Han Solo, a knockoff Millenium Falcon, knockoff Prequel Jedis, knockoff Prequel Sith, etc. etc. etc. basically every trope from the existing Star Wars movies at the time.

Better writing would have avoided some of the bigger Star Wars tropes in favor of generating poetic faith.
>>3918497
Because in order to go faster than light, you'd have to fundamentally mess with spacetime itself, and as such, similar technologies would be produced alongside each other.

>>3917459
Your concept of scale is wrong. What matters isn't years but (coordinated) person-years.
>China is around 5000 years old with written history of about 3000. Of that time they drastically changed only in the last 200 years.
lol

>>3916685
Unless there are significant technological breakthroughs that bring paradigm changes in how the world works, things just shift around and don't really improve much. The world only got worse since smartphones were invented. New tech that made the world shittier for most people. Convenient, sure, but more impersonal and more isolated. You could argue that we all have pocket wisdom in the forms of Wikipedia, but what you end up getting is people getting dumber and relying on Gemini, grim, whatever.

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>>3919237
>willfully chock full of Star Wars cliches
I will say listening to my roommate play the wookie planet level for hours convinced me that George was 100% invested in the Holiday Special.

>>3919237
Here's the thing, though: the KOTOR universe is based on the Dark Horse comics of the same name from the early 1990s. All of that stuff was already established before Bioware existed.

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>>3916680
It's the same reason why capitalism still exists 2000 years in the future in Xenosaga, it's just presentism applied to a sci-fi setting (we are living in a time of generalized stagnation and decay so we can't imagine a future where the same crappy institutions of our time don't exist)

>>3920094
They did have the same houses. He obviously greenlit the show and sent them material. The man just has no soul to judge human things, like humour or romance, with.

>>3916701
>Technology just doesn't peak and then stagnate for 10,000 years
When the British arrived in Australia, the natives still hadn't discovered the bow and arrow. It happens.

>>3920474
Same species btw