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Any last minute suggestions for fangames to play before Chapter 5 drops?
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repostan due to the threads tragic fate
>anon lived in the times of old, days spent in the arms of another
>was their name Reynault, or Racspr? Wiki or Kitsy? Or was the name something else entirely.
>It felt so real, the trials that led to love, but it couldn't last, could it.
>with a gasp he woke up, to a life on the surface, separated from his love not by distance, but time and memory. He stumbled into the living room, flicking on the television. That's right, it's not then, but now. He must have had these strange dreams because of the commotion.
>A whole race of monstrous beings freed from Mt. Ebott just the other day. It's no surpise that would give him these flights of fancy.
>he sat at the table with the news droning on in the background.
>repeating those words in his head as his hands shook, and something fell from his eyes.
>flights of fancy, nothing more.
>but he couldn't stop the feeling, that he'd never see them again.
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Replying to your post here since I woke up too late to do it in the other thread.
>I imagine whatever issues you're suffering from that make you so sympathetic with him would probably cause the inverse to be true as well. I'm sure there'd be some kind of "I know how it feels" sentiment coming from him.
Perhaps, though the extent of my disability is still much less than his, for now at least.
There has always been the lingering threat that I could potentially lose my affected leg ever since I was a child, but for now, I retain all my limbs.
Their functionality on the other hand, is somewhat questionable.
>Anyways its impressive you caught that.
Ha, I knew it!
That was damned clever of you, and a rather creative design decision all around, good stuff.
>Its funny, I remember when you disliked the idea, and thought it and the concepts surrounding it were stupid.
It wasn't that exactly, it was something else, but I forget the exact argument.
Something about force lightning, it's been a while.
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Ah, that makes sense, I'm glad my remark could inspire such a work.
Unrealistic though, I'd have given my soul to Reynault long before I'd be willing to outlive him.
You know, I thought about some things, as I went to sleep earlier.
I know Reynault has a clock on him, with that degenerative condition and all.
I can read the writing on the wall.
He'll live from now, until the game comes out, and then that will be all I'll ever see of him.
Yet another little character I've grown to become so fond of, that I'll be forced to say goodbye to.
It pains me to admit it, and this is likely indicative of other problems, but I actually started to get very slightly misty-eyed over the idea of never being able to see him again past a certain point.
Hah, even now, it seems I can't truly suppress my emotions over this damned fox.Oldentale anon, if you're reading this, I just want him to catch a break before it's all over.
Even if that means pulling an MGS4 just for him, I just want to see him get to relax, if only for just a little while.
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>>3956700
If he was low LV then it would be a hard fight for Partners Clover, even though he's heavily specialized in fighting the Zenith. The real determining factor, however, is how many non-Zeniths there are. If a normal, Pacifist/Neutral Mart was there and screaming her head off for everyone to calm down, then maybe they wouldn't go full Thunderdome on each other, lol.
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>>3957786
Yeah, I figured my plea might have such an effect.
Could you please just go easy on him?
I know he has to die at some point, but is it really so much to ask for for him to at least have some peace before then?
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>>3957776
Oh, I actually want to talk a little more about his prosthetics at some point, but right now I'll say that the reason I think the idea of magic-powered prosthesis works is because I remember seeing an article some time ago about a prosthetic arm powered by the small amount of electricity given off by the human body, so I figure monsters likely have a similar thing with magic, given how their physiologies seem centered around magic rather than standard biological functions.
So my idea is that Reynault's arm would have a similar internal system to that of a mannequin's springs and metal cords, though for his arm those internals would function as actual tendons, being compelled to move by the magic from his body.
I imagine you could also have a similar setup for his legs as well, specifically for his feet (again, not like that), since I noticed his prosthetic feet seem to be entirely flat, solid pieces, which could be an issue given how important toes are for bipedal movement, at least for how anthropomorphic creatures tend to do it.
I do really want to get around to doing a study of his prosthesis at some point, but for now, I'll say my general idea for a potential improvement to his feet would be adding an extra joint around where his toes would be, giving his feet the extra dexterity that actual feet generally have that makes traversing certain uneven terrains easier.
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>>3957776
>, for now at least
>There has always been the lingering threat
Yeah, you'd have plenty to bond over.
Also the more I hear about you, the more you sound like a JoJo character. In another universe you're definitely a stand user with a really cool three chapter arc. Maybe you even get to show up and have a really cool death in a later chapter.
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>>3957820
>Yeah, you'd have plenty to bond over.
Well, ideally my concerns would be unwarranted, but I suppose we'll have to see what happens.
>Also the more I hear about you, the more you sound like a JoJo character. In another universe you're definitely a stand user with a really cool three chapter arc. Maybe you even get to show up and have a really cool death in a later chapter.
Aw, thank you.
I appreciate the "cool death" especially, normally whenever I talk about that people always just talk about Ceroba forcibly dragging me away from my very cool and definitely necessary death.
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>I'm jealous that it's raining, the clouds passed us over without giving up their payload. Now you've done it!
It's not raining just yet, but it will be soon enough.
Probably soon enough for me to go out into it to hide my tears from whatever it is you're going to inflict on me.
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> I remember seeing an article some time ago about a prosthetic arm powered by the small amount of electricity given off by the human body,
My thinking was that sunce monsters can create bullets that can interact with physical objects using magic, maybe they could also make machinery based on that principle. And Reynault's limbs are an advanced form of that. It likely takes a lot of concentration and effort to make such fine and precise movements with what are meant to be ballistic projectiles, so it means that he can't use magic like a normal monster would, since all of his immediate magical abilities is used to stand and move his arms.
>I do really want to get around to doing a study of his prosthesis at some point,
I'd love to see it.
> I'll say my general idea for a potential improvement to his feet would be adding an extra joint around where his toes would be
A lot of that is due to a low detail art style, but I also want him to look intentionally hampered. Like he's limited by the technology of his time. In universe I know adding spring loaded toe joints wouldn't be that hard, but having a fox, which should make light and graceful steps, do this heavy and uneven trudging to get around communicates his impaired status.
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>>3957783
>He'll live from now, until the game comes out, and then that will be all I'll ever see of him.
Do you mean that you won't see him again because Oldentale will be over, or because you expect him to die in Oldentale?
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>My thinking was that sunce monsters can create bullets that can interact with physical objects using magic, maybe they could also make machinery based on that principle. And Reynault's limbs are an advanced form of that.
Huh, I think I see what you're saying.
I'm trying to visualize in my head how that would actually look, the internals of it, but I'm not sure how I would put it into words exactly. I may have to do a simple sketch later to see if I'm on the same page as you in terms of how that would be designed mechanically, but I think I get the concept.
>I'd love to see it.
Well, hopefully I'll be able to do it soon. I was thinking I could contextualize it like a personal information chart, like that diagram detailing Walton Simons' augmentations in Deus Ex, but with more focus on Reynault's prosthesis than just his own anatomy.
>In universe I know adding spring loaded toe joints wouldn't be that hard, but having a fox, which should make light and graceful steps, do this heavy and uneven trudging to get around communicates his impaired status.
Ah, I see, I'll leave his feet as they are then.
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>>3957829
>I can't believe we have two separate anons who insist on having a cool death.
Who's the other?
I know there was the other anon who insisted on getting himself killed from eating Martlet's cooking, but I wouldn't really call that a particularly cool death.
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>>3957832
Both, probably.
He's already basically on death's door as it is, and based on a response of yours in one of the previous threads, I don't imagine he'll be making it out alive, unless you really do go for the MGS4 route.
Feel free to prove me wrong though, more than happy to be totally wrong about this!
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>>3957840
At least the other anon wanted to die by protecting Val, which funnily enough also wanted to have a cool death in that discussion, I guess we romanticize the concept of death a lot around here, fitting since UTN and Oldentale are both prequels with main characters that are dead by the time Undertale takes place..
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>>3957840
Well, "burning" water would technically mean the removal of hydrogen and the addition of oxygen, so you'd basically be eating straight molecular oxygen.
As a concentrated substance.
You're going to die by consuming liquid or solid oxygen.
Talk about a "cool" death.
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>>3957835
>Ah, I see, I'll leave his feet as they are then.
You can add them if you want. I just don't draw them to keep the detail low while delivering a certain feeling. I'm sure if we want to treat it like one of those amazing cross sections books we could have explicitly be an unpowered joint that's concealed somehow to protect from dust. Hell maybe he wars boots over the feet to keep them clean.
>like that diagram detailing Walton Simons' augmentations in Deus Ex,
You should do that, but it's the ye olde version. So instead of a high tech digital readout, its a parchment paper pencil sketch with hand written notes. Maybe stylized like those Leonardo da Vinci designs.
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>>3957841
>Well that's because UT as a setting isn't about cool deaths, its about happy (even if imperfect) lives. JoJo kills off characters like its going out of style, because its about impactful lives.
Okay but maybe I want a cool death as the ending to an otherwise happy life.
I can't think of a happier way to go than dying for the sake of the world, or for a loved one, whether it be Ceroba or Reynault.
I'd gladly die a cool death so they can live happy, if imperfect, lives.
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>>3957845
>You can add them if you want. I just don't draw them to keep the detail low while delivering a certain feeling. I'm sure if we want to treat it like one of those amazing cross sections books we could have explicitly be an unpowered joint that's concealed somehow to protect from dust.
I could do something like that, I just wasn't sure if I should given your stated purpose for designing his feet as they are.
>Hell maybe he wars boots over the feet to keep them clean.
That could work, but I could also see him wearing boots just to obscure the fact that he has the prosthetics at all.
Given the reason why he wears the glove on his remaining real arm, I'd say that would make sense.
>You should do that, but it's the ye olde version. So instead of a high tech digital readout, its a parchment paper pencil sketch with hand written notes. Maybe stylized like those Leonardo da Vinci designs.
Yeah, something like that.
Hell, if I really wanted to I could probably just do it in (what's left of) my old engineering notebook, though that's certainly a bit more modern than a piece of parchment.
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>anon was sick out of his mind, flitting in and out of consciousness while the world refused to come to terms with reason. Drifting through this agony unending, such that even time lost it’s meaning, he prayed for salvation babbling to whoever could hear him, and if not salvation, then a release. He could not hear the response, only feel the fire on his face occasionally fought back by a cool sensation, only for the flames to burn forth again and again. An ocean of sand consumed him, he prayed for an oasis, and was granted the kindness of water, which brought forth heaving pain as his body rejected the mercy. He was alone, tumbling through the dark, falling and falling, until he was again and once more wasn’t. He prayed once more, if he had to die this way, he wished there was someone at his side. He begged, rasping out, if he must suffer, then please he didn’t want to be alone anymore.
>He felt pressure against his hand. He didn’t know where he was anymore, he was scared, he couldn't focus, couldn’t think, but someone was there.
>He… woke up?
>Anon looked about, he was in bed, drenched in sweat, from a fever that must have finally broken. So he’d been dreaming up a hellish nightmare? How strange though, his hand still felt warm. He looked over, there was Reynault, asleep, or rather unconscious in some form in a chair beside the bed. Anon traced his eyes down along Reynault's extended arm, and found a paw gripping his hand.
>Quietly, gently, Anon got out of bed, and placed Reynault's hand back in his lap, before stepping out of the room.
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>Heat, brings forth fire, brings forth smoke.
Reynault smelled smoke, smoke? There was a fire in the house.
His eyes snapped open, quickly looking around, the bed beside him empty? A thin trail of smoke from the other room, what in the blazes? It wasn’t lost on him that it was quite literal as he stumbled out of the chair, scrambling on all fours for a moment as he quickly pushed himself into a run. The trail of smoke, what fate, what trick had been played on him of all people? And where was Anon, had the fever set him to walking like a fool about the house? He rounded the corner to the kitchen, a burner left on? No?
>Anon was cooking, or rather, a sorry excuse for it judging from the column of smoke he spied from the edge of the room..
“Monsieur, what the devil are you up to. Are you auditioning for the madhouse, given up on dreams of being a clown have you?” He couldn’t summon his usual mocking tone as the fool was finally up and about.
>Anon turned around, surprised to see Reynault as he took to shoveling some charred matter onto a plate, “What, no I’m, you didn’t appear to get much sleep last night on account of… well I thought I could make breakfast.” he looked down at the abysmal remains on the table, uncertain, "Omelettes as you can clearly see.”
>Reynault looked at the disaster in front of him, and peered back up at Anon, geckering as he tapped his chin, “You’re aware the coal goes in the oven, and you serve the eggs on the plate, not the other way around of course?” He pulled up a chair and sat at the table nonetheless, to take his share of the burnt mess, eggshells mixed in and all. It was the worst meal he’d ever willingly eaten, but strangely, he caught himself in a pleasant mood this morning. He thought of all the terrible ways to describe anons cooking ‘prowess’ and even shared a number of them. Rather than spend the morning digging a grave as he expected, he much preferred insulting Anon’s terrible food.
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and so in the spirit of Raymault Oldentale, I have done a trick upon you, leaving you to believe that I was going to inflict suffering. My only regret, Is that I have had to reuse the sick anon idea instead of coming up with a brand new scenario of my own!
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>>3957843
You don't know that. Maybe Racter drinks from the fountain of youth at the end of Oldentale. Or maybe he sleeps for a thousand years like Ash Williams and wakes up in a post apocalypse that teases Oldentale 2: Revenge of The Mutants.
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Oh, thank god.
I thought you were going to make me read an extremely vivid description of watching him turn to dust in my arms.
Now that I've mentioned that, please do not do that.
This was good, I liked it. That bit at the beginning, about being deathly sick and confused, and wanting some kind of company through the ordeal, I've certainly been there before, a very long time ago now.
I'm not sure how I'd have gotten along with Reynault back then, but company would've been nice.
Also, I can cook better than that, how dare you.
Probably anyway, I mostly just make spaghetti.
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>>3957867
Racter wakes up just in time to join Frisk, Clover, Val and the others on their war against the shadow government of the LV19 humans, maybe this way we'll get to see Vacter in action or hell, Racter with the power of 7 human souls once all hope is lost during the final battle.
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>>3957871
>Also, I can cook better than that, how dare you.
>Probably anyway, I mostly just make spaghetti.
I had a feeling you were probably better than "char burning eggs" but the thought of reynault eating burnt eggs with the shell mixed in because he's relieved you didn't die, stuck in my head.
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>I thought you were going to make me read an extremely vivid description of watching him turn to dust in my arms.
>Now that I've mentioned that, please do not do that.
haha nothere's an alternate thing I did if Monsieur Anon did not in fact make it through the night
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>>3957869
Well, sure, though I can't promise I'll be able to take a great quality picture of it.
That notebook's a little strange actually. About a year ago now I visited one of my old engineering teachers from high school, since she was retiring, and I (along with a friend of mine from then) asked if she had our old engineering notebooks since I'd remembered leaving mine in the classroom before I graduated, but she said she looked around for them and couldn't find any of them, so they must've been taken at some point since then.
I didn't care too much at the time, since it was just a notebook of little importance, but when I got home, I tried looking through some of my old stuff to see if I somehow had it tucked away somewhere, and against all odds, I actually found it.
Or rather, most of it. I could tell it was mine, it had my writing on it, along with some marks from some thoughtlessly placed equipment that I remember putting too close to the notebook, but the one thing it was missing was the front cover that had my name on it.
Everything else about it was intact, just my actual name was conspicuously absent from the notebook.
I'm not terribly sure what to make of that, but it's probably fine.
Anywho, I could probably make some sketches of his prosthetics in my definitely normal old engineering notebook sometime soon, though I can't promise my traditional drawing skills are too amazing.
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Got bored and invented Racspr
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>>3957870
To put it short, and with heavy spoilers for MGS4,that screenshot is from the post-credits scene of MGS4, which comes right after the credits, which came right after a scene where it's extremely heavily implied that Solid Snake just died from shooting himself in the head to prevent the spread of the FOXDIE virus.
Big Boss, a character who is supposed to be dead, like three times over by now, shows up, alive, and shot the gun out of Snake's hand to stop him from killing himself, and reveals that he has a modified version of the FOXDIE virus inside him that will neutralize Snake's virus on contact, meaning he no longer has to kill himself to stop a deadly virus from mutating out of control and killing billions of people.
I won't go into how I myself feel about this ending, but basically I'm using it as shorthand for preventing a beloved character from dying when they probably honestly should by having the mother of all deus ex machinas swoop in and completely annihilate all logic and reason the story had for the sake of a happier ending.
I know you won't do that, and yeah, you probably shouldn't, but I just really wanna see Reynault get to walk away and relax, even if it's only for a little while longer than he would've lived anyway.
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>>3957876
>I had a feeling you were probably better than "char burning eggs" but the thought of reynault eating burnt eggs with the shell mixed in because he's relieved you didn't die, stuck in my head.
Alright, that is pretty good, I can accept this.
As long as he doesn't die from eating straight carbon with egg-shrapnel mixed in.
>there's an alternate thing I did if Monsieur Anon did not in fact make it through the night
Ah, pulling a Jason Todd on me, huh?
How's that timeline go?
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>>3957888>He did not plan for it to rain today. It was as good a joke as any for nature to play. This pit in the soil had grown deep enough for his needs nonetheless. Reynault pulled himself out onto the surface grass once more and looked off to the side
>“Mon ami, it seems for now we must part. At the very least, I shall not be burdened with your ugly mug again. Oui?
What was an insult without someone to receive it, eyes gone hollow, never to see again. Happiness was a fleeting creature is it not? How unfortunate though that he must bid farewell to a friend in such stormy weather.
>He bid one final farewell, letting his hat shield his eyes from the sun as he lowered Anon into the earth.
“Que la terre te soit légère.
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>>3957893
I appreciate this, anon, even if I very much didn't plan on crying today.
Say, what do you think Reynault would do with my/anon's soul, if he woke up soon enough to see it?
I could see myself trying desperately to hold on long enough for Reynault to do something with my soul, even if he didn't plan to absorb it.
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Rain is nice, though we dont get much around here.
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Good question, Reynault is usually shown as irreverent in a broad sense, but I don't know if he's a character who has "limits" or if he'd want you someone important to him to find rest. I was thinking of it myself, if he woke up, holding your hand from the suffering you had in your fever, but your hand had gone cold, and there was a soul glowing in his face. Maybe he'd make use of it, but I imagine it would damper his mood greatly the way in which he got it.
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>Rain is nice, though we dont get much around here.
Yeah, it's been my favorite weather for as long as I can remember.
I wouldn't mind being buried during it, having it wash over me one last time.
I think I need to take that walk now.
>I was thinking of it myself, if he woke up, holding your hand from the suffering you had in your fever, but your hand had gone cold, and there was a soul glowing in his face. Maybe he'd make use of it, but I imagine it would damper his mood greatly the way in which he got it.
I could see that, in this context.
I'd let him absorb me.
Getting to stay with him, even like that, would be nice.
Monsters absorbing human souls wasn't a terribly common thing, so I wonder how he'd react to feeling my presence again, through my soul.
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>>3957933
I made a note to self to draw something of this sometime soon, but I'm genuinely not sure if I'd be able to see well enough to work on it.
Something about that last line of the green just really hit me.
Ah, I'm being a baby, I'll get over it soon enough.
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I have returned from my walk in the rain.
I thought a lot about Reynault, making one last jab at me before piling dirt atop my grave.
I thought about him letting his mask slip for me for the last time as he said his best wishes.
I put my umbrella down as I looked up towards the sky, watching the clouds move by as I felt the rain pour onto my face.
I don't know if I feel any better.
But I know that I feel.
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>>3957955
I've been feeling more emotional for all these threads' characters lately, not sure why.
One of my friends suggested that me drawing that Zaer image was my equivalent to ripping the symbiote off, I haven't been feeling the urge to do as many weird things recently.
I just want everyone to be happy.
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>>3957959
Even if he is a robot, I feel a soul within him. The soul of a fellow autist.
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maybe I should have kept the alternate story to myself, or maybe instead, feeling this way is important from time to time.
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>I just want everyone to be happy
I WILL see all of the scrimblos happy, but sometimes the journey to happiness, is walked through sorrow.
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>>3957963
>Even if he is a robot, I feel a soul within him. The soul of a fellow autist.
Not too often that I get accused of having a soul, thanks.
>maybe I should have kept the alternate story to myself, or maybe instead, feeling this way is important from time to time.
No, I appreciate it.
It's not often I feel such things, so I appreciate it whenever I do.
>I WILL see all of the scrimblos happy, but sometimes the journey to happiness, is walked through sorrow.
Just have to do whatever it takes.
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>>3957964
Hm.
I'll be honest, one of my greatest personal fantasies (aside from creating a perfect world, dying a heroic death, and experiencing love and affection) is being influenced by some kind of evil force into becoming an evil or otherwise corrupted version of myself, and then being confronted by a friend or loved one as they try and bring back the "real me", so having Ceroba plead with me to un-harden my heart would do a lot for me.
Then again, perhaps the soulless version of me is the real me.
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>>3957785
Clover the anti-Zart specialist. I'm sure those two would either have a spicy conversation, or none at all. Though I think Valravn would eventually calm down enough for her to see he didn't murk anyone (yet).
Still, a funny/neat thing to think about imo.
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>>3958015
Quetzali actually gets bothered if she notices you've found the missing journal before she did, but that reaction seems to come more from the fact that she's "missing all the fun" by being stuck with her current task, I imagine Zali's reaction would be different if she were actively exploring and you told her you've found a crazy place by accident, probably would go full Waku Waku and begin asking you questions rapidly, like
>How did you find it?
>Did you fight any bad guys on the way?
>Was there a playable area beyond it?
>Did you clip through a wall to reach it?
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I spent about two minutes getting the general shape of Quetzali's breasts right with no references, and then nearly ten minutes trying to perfect the shape of her bellybutton while looking up multiple references.
It is possible that I have a problem.
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>>3958031
>I spent about two minutes getting the general shape of Quetzali's breasts right with no references,
That's impressive, I thought they would give you more problems since you always draw massive mammaries.
>and then nearly ten minutes trying to perfect the shape of her bellybutton
Fun fact, viviparous snakes are one of the only reptiles that can have actual belly buttons.
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>>3958033
>That's impressive, I thought they would give you more problems since you always draw massive mammaries.
I think I've made them decently small, but I may post an early screenshot of it just to make sure I've made them the right size.
>Fun fact, viviparous snakes are one of the only reptiles that can have actual belly buttons.
Oh good, plausible deniability, now I can just say that I was going for scientific accuracy as opposed to being a huge freak.
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>>3958038
You do you anon. Do you have a go to artist whose work you reference to breasts? When I made the Quetzali pic I used an artist who almost never draws big tits for how they do small ones in a dress. As for large ones, I yearn for the ability to draw curves like a friend of mine does.
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>>3958040
>Do you have a go to artist whose work you reference to breasts?
I don't have too many go-to artists for referencing things in general, I usually just reference any images that do things in ways I like.
Actually, there is one artist I sometimes study for drawing paws, but that's only because I share certain, proclivities, with them, so to speak.
When I reference something from another artist, I kinda think about it like the Borg assimilating someone, I seek to add the way something is drawn to my own drawing habits.
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>>3958048
Eventually you'll get there, you just have to keep at it.
I myself have many improvements I wish to make to my own style, so I just have to keep drawing to make those improvements.
I'd say drawing as frequently as you comfortably can is good, it's like frequent exercise.
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>>3958068
Same, honestly.
I would love to draw much more frequently than I do, but obligations must be tended to first.
Still, I have improved greatly since I started my little experiment last year, and even more greatly compared to what I was doing before that, so even if you can't draw too frequently, you can still make improvements with time, you'll just have to be patient.
Like with many things in life, you will end up where you want to be, so long as you walk the right path, and walk it with determination.
You simply have to eat the path.
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>>3958069
I will anon. I'm never gonna give up on it no matter how bleak it might look. Mihjt sound stupid but the thought of drawing massive tits drives me on. I would show an example of my friends art but a; not deltarune/undertald artist and b: not sure he would appreciate me sharing it around here.
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>>3958073
>I will anon. I'm never gonna give up on it no matter how bleak it might look. Mihjt sound stupid but the thought of drawing massive tits drives me on.
That's not stupid, that's pretty normal.
I was initially driven to learn to draw digitally because I too wanted to draw things that satisfied certain desires of mine.
Really, sexual or not, the reason most people learn creative arts is because they wish to bring some vision of theirs to reality, so there's nothing particularly strange about your motivation at all.
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>Aye, just feels a bit shallow.
Strictly speaking lots of historically noteworthy artists are also known for drawing lots of naked people.
So, if they weren't shallow, neither are you, and if you are, so were they.
>But it's what it's.
I agree, but don't, don't say that like that.
>It's mx god given right to draw zenmart with fat tits and I'll eventually do it.
Good, that's the spirit.
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>>3958083
>It's also my god given right to be a retard.
>number of typos noticeably increases
Anon slow down!
Joking aside, I doubt you'll disappoint anyone here.
A lot of what I draw is charitably reacted to with "oh god what the fuck", so I think you'll be fine.
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>>3958087
Whenever you see a shitload of typos from me, it's when I'm from phone. I hate phone typing with the hatred of a thousand sons. Sometimes I catch it sometimes I don't and its too late to fix it.
>oh god what the fuck", so I think you'll be fine.
I've only seen the ominous headshot crop of the Chujin image and I think I'm happy with things staying that way. But those Reynauld shitposts (i think it was you?) were really funny so good job on those anon, keep up and keep on with whatever you endeavor with.
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>>3958092
>I've only seen the ominous headshot crop of the Chujin image and I think I'm happy with things staying that way.
It's still endlessly funny hearing people talk about that image like that, even if I do feel sorta bad for doing that to Chujin.
When another anon mentioned it the other day as the reason why they decided against following me on twitter, it gave me the mental image of them about to open a door leading to my account, but then choosing not to after hearing Chujin screaming on the other side of the door.
>But those Reynauld shitposts (i think it was you?) were really funny so good job on those anon
Those were indeed me, and thank you.
I might do another small one before I go to bed tonight, once I get the base for Quetzali's body in a decent state.
>keep up and keep on with whatever you endeavor with.
I certainly plan to, for as long as I am able, I appreciate the encouragement.
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>>3958098
>I certainly plan to, for as long as I am able, I appreciate the encouragement.
Of course anon, while we might have different tastes and likes, it's always good to see other people work on their craft. I reall, need to get back to working on the Valravn pic its just hard to get myself to it knowing I have to work on background...
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>>3958106
>Of course anon, while we might have different tastes and likes, it's always good to see other people work on their craft.
Likewise.
>I reall, need to get back to working on the Valravn pic its just hard to get myself to it knowing I have to work on background...
Oh yeah, god, backgrounds.
I honestly just don't bother whenever I can help it.
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>>3958109
I normally don't do them (the only time i did so was with the Sig Kanako one but even then that was minimal) but since this js a scene from my own fic I decided to try and go as far as I can. Thankfully I'll have some help eith how to do things but even then I'm dreading it.
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I was thinking about what Reynault might look like if you took his hat off, and that lead me to these two possibilities.
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that one artist with that one DRY take uploaded more stuff for the alternate UTY take they'd make
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>>3958190
If Yogurt begins to act all Gaster-y then he for sure would be considered a bad guy, I want to believe Zali has a strong enough will to resist his eldritch powers, otherwise she would make for a bad explorer, or maybe monsters are too dumb to be affected by those powers.
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>>3958202
Ceroba looks mostly the same, just more sinister and with a proper kimono.
Martlet looks too much like Berdly, its not bad, but there was no need to go into that direction, amd with the change in goals it almost feels like a different character.
>>3958238
They are not bad, but I don't trust this artist, I have the feeling this Mart and Roba will be shipped.
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>>3958241
>Ceroba looks mostly the same, just more sinister and with a proper kimono.
also that implies kanako is actually outright dead in that setting instead of just fallen down/amalgamated
shame cuz that means no kanaclover
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cooking with kindness update, demo likely in spring
https://gamejolt.com/p/happy-easter-and-an-exciting-status-update-art- by-sockhead-xiedhdv2
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>>3958244
so I was replaying the latest naranja build and found a glitch, if you kill a monster (in this fight, a duendo x2 fight), the game wont wait until the fade anim finishes playing and you can attack the monster while it is fading away (and even select it in the menu), which then softlocks the game since the attack can't proceed
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I went swimming, and imagined Martlet being there, her bird instincts making her act funny in the water, but then also diving under and seeing her face smiling back at me.
Then I got in the sauna, and had a towel on my back. Someone opened the door letting cold air in, but the towel stayed hot, and I thought of it being her wing wrapped around me.
Finally I thought of her mock-preening me, pecking lightly at my head and hair to cheer me up. Then nuzzling her head against mine as she tells me its all going to be ok.
I am but a man, and the birdrot is much stronger than I. I need the bird.
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>>3958336
Those would be nice as well. Martlet being there while im sick would be nice. But being there for her when shes sick would he nice as well. I think sig did an image of martlet caring for a sick clover now that I think about it.
>>3958329
You're welcome to make one, I'm a bit busy but hearing about fangames that are less known is on my mind, like that hallows eve hack someone brought up
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>>3958295
it seems to happens whenever you defeat an enemy with half a turn remaining, then select to attack again before the fade anim ends
also found another thing with the gnome you gotta push off the ledge, the message "hope they don't take fall damage" only appeared later when I was leaving the area, while I could still move, instead of right away when it fell
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>>3958384
>it seems to happens whenever you defeat an enemy with half a turn remaining, then select to attack again before the fade anim ends
I was about to begin with the fix, thanks for the notation.
>also found another thing with the gnome you gotta push off the ledge, the message "hope they don't take fall damage" only appeared later when I was leaving the area, while I could still move, instead of right away when it fell
If it appeared after you crossed the gap, that was intentional, I didn't think of a better way to make sure the message didn't appear mid jump or mid run.
That entire room is getting replaced in the next big release so I might change how that message works.
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>>3958202
Roba paws
>>3958139
It wouldn't be the kind of fox that Reynault's mythological inspiration comes from but if I had to give him eyes I'd go with those of the Tibetan fox. Perpetually squinty and shifty, but contrasted by his everpresent grin to make him look even more smug
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>>3958403
>Perpetually squinty and shifty, but contrasted by his everpresent grin to make him look even more smug
Interesting, I'll have to take a crack at drawing that sometime.
Now I'm kinda picturing him like that one image of Red, with the normal face, but still with the grin in this case.
I appreciate you being open with this information, I half-expected you to keep the details of the rest of his face a secret.
Say, what did you think of those greens (and the alternate ending) that anon posted the other day?
And what did you make of my general response?
You've been quite inquisitive of my thoughts on those sorts of things, so I'm curious what you thought of those in particular.
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>>3958421
Oh, he seemed to speak with authority on Reynault, so I just assumed.
So, how does Reynault look under that hat then, or is that actually a secret?
And for the other thing, were you surprised at my reaction and feelings towards those greens or were they par for the course for how you've observed me to feel about that kind of thing?
Also, unrelated, but if you were that anon in the previous thread who expressed interest in reading Weaver's comic "Boxdog", did you get around to it?
What'd you make of it?
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>>3958423
>So, how does Reynault look under that hat then, or is that actually a secret?
I could probably do a drawing of how his whole body looked, head limbs and all, before he got Vader'd a d just answer all your potential questions in one go. I can't do it now though because of Cloudflare bullshit.
>And for the other thing, were you surprised at my reaction
Only surprised you missed the FMA reference despite having all but spelled out. Everything else seemed pretty normal.
>did you get around to it?
What'd you make of it?
I put it in my bookmarks to read later.
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>>3958426
>As said, I'm not Oldentale anon and have no authority, apologies if I came across as that.
Eh, it was just a bit confusing.
I did also only get about four hours of sleep last night, so that may just be on my end here.
>I don't think Oldentale anon would reveal himself as the [fox] paws poster that directly
I've seen him (or gotten him to) talk about weirder things before.
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>>3958429
>I could probably do a drawing of how his whole body looked, head limbs and all, before he got Vader'd a d just answer all your potential questions in one go. I can't do it now though because of Cloudflare bullshit.
I would greatly appreciate that, both for drawing purposes and for imagination purposes.
That will also probably open Pandora's box for me, so I may want you to hold off on that for a while, until I finish my current project, just so I don't get too sidetracked drawing just Reynault.
I would very much be interested in seeing as much of him as you're comfortable depicting though, yes.
>Only surprised you missed the FMA reference despite having all but spelled out. Everything else seemed pretty normal.
It wasn't that I was really missing it, so much as just generally not paying that close attention to it.
I guess the green mentioning the sun should've been more of a giveaway, but I've seen some bright rainy days before, so that by itself wasn't too strange to me on the face of it.
It'd also been raining for the past several days where I live, so I guess I had rain on the mind, aside from it just being my favorite weather.
>I put it in my bookmarks to read later.
Ah, fair.
I'm not actually sure you'd really like it, given the comic's tone, but I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on it when/if you can get through it.
I'm also not sure if you were the guy in the last thread asking me to catbox those images Weaver did of the characters after the ending, but I could probably post the twitter link to it when/if you give the okay.
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>>3958437
That's what I was saying, the images are all tame, they're just spoilers for the ending, so I'll refrain from posting them until/if you read it.
Also, as for my thoughts on Nanquest, I'm still getting through it. I wanna get the sketch for my Quetzali thing done tonight, at least mostly, so I'll probably keep working on that before getting back to Nanquest, but I should be able to finish Nanquest tonight once I do get back to it, and I'll post the rentry of my general thoughts on it for your review.
I like Nan, she's cute.
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>>3958522
Maybe but there is this one girl that keeps making art of her self insert OC dating Cole and other weirdos
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>>3958524
Another fun thing might be to have one of those "wait here" moments where the player is told to wait somewhere, but they're obviously meant to get bored and not wait, only if they do wait something happens and it significantly impacts the plot. Sort of like that secret Far Cry 4 ending.
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>>3958527
Could just change how a particular scene progresses, then sets a flag to occasionally be called back to.
If you wanted to do something spooky with it, there's this one horror video called the COTN incident about a single frame of video being rebroadcast for years, and some kind of entity manifests in it. It might be spooky to have a series of incidents occur if you just sit and wait for a really long time at various points in the game. The incidents would start subtle, but get really crazy with the later ones.
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Hm, I usually don't do this, but could I get some input on the posing/proportions on this?
https://files.catbox.moe/rfkfip.png
It's the early sketch of my Quetzali image, something about the body just doesn't look right to me, and I'm not sure what it is.
Also, I guess tell me if I should make her breasts any smaller. They're already much smaller than I usually go for, but let me know if they should be reduced further.
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>>3958537
Do you have any inkling as to what feels off anon? To me it doesn't feel bad but then again every time I look at my art I feel something is amiss so it might be something like that.To me those breasts look nice but I know some other anons would want her to be almost flat.
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>>3958569
I don't know, I think there's something wrong with her lower torso and thighs.
I think I might have to redo those, something about the angle seems wrong.
Thanks for the input on the breasts too, I'm thinking I'll keep them as they are.
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>>3958569
Okay, I think it was a perspective issue, something about the plane of her chest and the plane of her tummy not lining up in a way that made sense to me.
I think I fixed it by moving her breasts slightly, and making her lower torso and thighs a bit bigger.
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>>3958582
>I see now what you mean. Her tits were facing a bit towards us while her tummy away.
Yeah, that was messing with my head a bit.
I'll probably need to make some additional minor adjustments later on, but at least I shouldn't have to flat-out redo it all.
>The tail wiggle is cute.
I also like her tail wagging.
It was suggested by an anon I talked with while trying to decide how her general mood should be for the image. He also suggested that her attitude should be outwardly cocky, but also very excited that [you] want to drink her milk, which I thought was a good way of going about it.
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>>3958537
Personally I think her boobs should be smaller, they are pretty big, and maybe you could make her hips wider, I agree with what the other anon said about the breasts and belly button facing different directions which may be the thing that makes the drawing look a bit off once you look into it, other than that, it looks pretty good.
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>>3958597
Yeah, sometimes putting jokes in drawings makes that kind of thing necessary.
But it's worth it, especially if the joke is primarily target at yourself.
I'm now imagining a version of her that's just entirely blocky.
That feels weird.
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>>3958598
>Personally I think her boobs should be smaller, they are pretty big, and maybe you could make her hips wider,
I'll see about making her breasts smaller. They're about less than half the size of her head, which is small compared to how I usually do things.
As for her hips, I could probably mess with those, sure.
>I agree with what the other anon said about the breasts and belly button facing different directions which may be the thing that makes the drawing look a bit off once you look into it
Yeah, I've been making some adjustments for that, should be able to have it fixed before too long.
>other than that, it looks pretty good.
Thank you.
Hopefully this'll be the last major hurdle, other than getting her face to look right, since I'd like this drawing to not take more than a week to make.
So, hopefully this'll be wrapped up and ready to post by Tuesday.
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>>3958606
Eh, I just don't like to take too long with these sorts of things.
If it wasn't for the fact that I've been busy, sleep-deprived, and sick for the past week or so, I'd have been abiding by my normal self-imposed time limit of three days for a smaller image like this, but I've already passed that by now.
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>>3958613
Pit of shame, pit of shame for ten thousand years.
You should feel foolish.Don't beat yourself up too hard anon, slip-ups happen.
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>sadie: fertility goddess tier boobs and butt, despite her chitinous carapace she's actually a bit fleshy to the touch
>kanako: average (cole only cares about fluffy tail anyways)
>melody: flat as a washing board with nice legs, could develop a body like sadie's if she ditched the ballerina diet and ate properly.DRYanon2 has the flower girls as main characters right? what kinds of bodies would they have
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For those that may missed the recently closed thread, here's the finished image requests that posted there.
Flustered Zenith Martlet asking if what she's wearing looks good.
You can view it here:
https://files.catbox.moe/qj6z3g.png
Alt version of the image where Zenith Martlet is nude, and not so flustered.
You can view it here::
https://files.catbox.moe/0av6hj.png
Lines and flat colours added to an image that was a fan contribution to the Flowey game over gif featuring Martlet.
This image showing Flowey ranting about how much he hates Martlet, while Martlet elsewhere is laying the egg that Clover's soul resides in.
You can view it here:
https://files.catbox.moe/q8euev.png
The original fanart in question that I added lines and colour to:
https://files.catbox.moe/4nrr71.png
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>>3958840
at the bottom of the page you can see the thread stats, importantly the post count and page
most boards make threads enter "bump limit" at 500 posts, so after that the thread cannot be bumped anymore and will fall off until page 10, where then it will eventually be archived once someone makes a new thread on the board and the thread you're following is the last one in the catalogue
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>>3958872
I'm sorta new to the finer things of how the threads work (I usually post and chat here rather than the weekend threads tho) but it always made me curious that people just seemed to know when one was about to kick the bucket. Like when the previous fangame thread here was nuked and it sank like the titanic.
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>>3958875
NTA, but how long have you been here?
I'm not asking out of disrespect or anything, I'm actually curious how long you've been with us so far.
>Like when the previous fangame thread here was nuked and it sank like the titanic.
Yeah, that was kinda an anomaly.
The thread before that got to 2000+ posts, and lasted a pretty long time even past the bump limit.
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>>3958822
Please draw this version of Martlet unbirthing Clover.
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>>3958875calling it v itself is a sign itself that you haven't been on this site for all that long. just one of those things I can't help but notice
Anyways as far as that thread, so like the other anon mentioned, threads stop "bumping" when they hit 500 posts (the exact number can be different for boards but most boards these days go with 500). after that, every time someone posts in a thread that is lower in the catalogue, but isn't at bump limit, our thread will get pushed down lower and lower until we hit the position of last thread at the bottom, and then we will vanish as soon as someone creates a new thread.
normally that takes a long time on boards like /vrpg/, but that day we went from page 1 to page 7 in 6 hours which means that every thread from page 1-6 had to receive at least one post. on /v/ that's not unusual, but /vrpg/ is a slow board so checking the time stamps of the last posts, you can see that most of those posts were being made exactly one minute apart (1 minute being the cooldown for a single person making another post from one ip).
some of the posts were more than a minute apart, but they were all very unnaturally close together for a board that you can measure the activity on in posts/hr.
In short, unnatural patterns that people who have spent far too long on this website can spot. There's other ways it can happen like a jannie "autosaging" a thread making it so that posts don't bump it far before it gets to it's limit.
Knowledge is power I guess or something.
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>>3958883
I'm Valravn anon, so I would say a uhh...couple months by now? Kinda embarrassed to ask about these kinda things but figured it was worth a shot anyway.
Also have another wip, this time of the background for the forma melto bird.
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>>3958851
Usually it happens after bump limit and you can tell by how fast it falls down in the catalog, typically this is someone "sliding" which is forcing a topic to the bottom of the list which causes it to fail to attract posters.
Usually the only nuclear level problem is when someone brings up yogurt because there's a janny/fagmin/whatever who really fucking hates him.
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>>3958886
Oh, huh.
Thought you would've picked up on things like that by now, but no worries, asking for additional information is nothing to be embarrassed over.
Nice background by the way, it looks good.
I like how you can see bits where the foreground elements are going to be layered on top of it, it's neat seeing little marks like that in drawings.
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>>3958886
>Kinda embarrassed to ask about these kinda things but figured it was worth a shot anyway.
being willing to learn how things work sets you apart from the standard newfag.
Back in the day we would say "lurk moar" so you could pick these things up slowly over time and "learn the culture" but there's nothing wrong with asking questions. We talked like that before because it was in opposition to the kind of people that would show up, and expect the site to change due to their own lack of knowledge.
>>3958886
neat, I see where her perch is going to be, though in a way I can't help but imagine her grip was just too strong and broke the railing when she left, which is funny to think of.
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>>3958890
>I can't help but imagine her grip was just too strong and broke the railing when she left, which is funny to think of.
In the story her talons actually cut into the metal when perching and she feels alienated of her body by that fact but I didn't really know how to do that in drawing.
>“We would have noticed something like that.” Ceroba butted in this time, much to Valravn’s growing frustration and the large bird of prey let out an exasperated groan. Her talons clenched, cutting into the railing she was still perched upon, the motion feeling all too natural for her, a feeling she hated with her entire SOUL.
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>>3958888
I can be incredibly unobservant and slow learning when it's most inconvenient for me. I picked up about the page and how being on the last one was a sign of imminent doom but didn't know how bump limit worked so thank you and other anons for clearing that up for me.
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>>3958892
Oh, nice. I'll have to reread the first segment here pretty soon, I must have forgotten that part.
Speaking of which I'm finally less busy today so I can read the latest chapter of Partners as well.
Still hoping that some of the other fics get updates.
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>>3958897
Apologies for not having any updates to my story. I have been very scatterbrained and between working on this, trying to make changes to the last part that was added after Partners anon feedback and irl bs that led me to have little to no drive for creative endeavors on my own, I have been lacking.
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>>3958907
While the posts were anonymous, I think it must have been after because I remember seeing some posts shortly before you posted the first thing, where someone was talking about wanting to try writing a story that was stuck in your head.
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>>3958839
Sadie’s destined to either grow up to be slightly taller than kanako or become xenomorph queen tier. being left immobilized by her massive ovipositor and having her 20+ kids handle all the housework plus odd jobs to support the hive.
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>>3958953
sure fine, you can have hyper sadie, I get the wonder of Mart and all of her fluffy feathers.
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Since people are talking about Sadie I might as well throw my take on her family with most of her siblings being mindless drones and her being the only sentient one.
As interesting as that is my ‘tism has to reject that due to what we canonically know about bug monsters from muffet. With her being your standard talking humanoid monster but also being surrounded with “regular” spider monsters that are also seemingly intelligent and that she considers kin (despite turning them into fucking donuts).
So there’s three real options I could see with how Sadie/bug monsters function
>option 1: humanoid bug monsters have as many kids as most other monsters types but live in mixed secluded communities with smaller insects
>option 2: bug monster do breed rapidly but most of their kids are the small kind but are still intelligent and that why they’re considered kin
>option 3: humanoid bug monsters CAN breed rapidly but theirs a strong stigma against it so most of them only have a handful of kids at most. smaller bug monsters don’t have this stigma and that’s why their are seemingly thousands of them
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>>3958953
How about this, draw hyper when you feel like it and draw normal when you feel like it. There's nothing wrong with wanting a bug fertility goddess, and wanting that doesn't deny normal bug girls to other people.
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>>3958963
Muffet is a spider, spiders aren't insects and generally have the kind of hive living or broad variety of specialized variants among the same species that hive insects have.
What happened to muffet likely wouldn't be the same thing that happens with Sadie and vice versa.
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>>3958967
Because its funny? I mean, we had discussions about slime girl and flame elemental breast milk before, this sort of discussion is nothing new.
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>>3958968
No, it's just getting grating seeing this pop up so much recently, yet without anyone actually doing anything with it.
Repeated discussion over a character that no one involved apparently actually cares about enough to draw.
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>>3958967
People have discovered that if you spam the same thing enough then some people will develop stockholm syndrome and start rabidly defending it as "thread culture." This is relatively ancient knowledge site-wise (pic related) but it's only recently been employed within these threads specifically. I feel all the examples we've seen here besides Yagi are pretty harmless though, not worth blowing up over
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>>3958975
I don't care that it's a fetish discussion, I'm annoyed that it's the same discussion that's been popping up in both the recent /v/ and the previous few /vrpg/s, but to literally no actual end.
Like I pointed out, no one's actually been doing anything with the discussion, so it's not even like people are arguing for the sake of artistic interpretation, it's just been arguing for its own sake.
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>>3958978
It's not being shut down instantly, it just doesn't have anything to it other than people spamming posts about it, so no one gives a shit.
If the guy going on about it actually had something to show off for the idea, people would be more willing to accept it, because then it would be more than just pointless text.
People here wouldn't be nearly so accepting of the unbirthing if there wasn't actual content to it, because then it wouldn't be "contributing" to new content as much.
If you want people to accept that character as having huge tits or whatever, there has to actually be something to that, not just people saying "gee, wouldn't it be something if this character had huge tits?".
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>>3958976
Its not people "rabidly defending" it, its you being too stubborn to understand or accept that other people can change their minds on things and that the concept of what is or isn't on topic changes over time. This phenomena you hate so much is the nature of the human mind and has been a central pillar of this site for decades.
In short stop getting mad over people having fun
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>3958983 (You)
>NTA, but I only ever saw someone bring up mpreg once to my knowledge, and it was them asking me to draw Racter pregnant.
I wonder who could that be, anyway I've seen it mentioned a few times, mostly as jokes or posts saying "mpreg is canon in UT/DR" and is usually shut down pretty quickly.
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>>3958989
>I wonder who could that be
YOU
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>>3958976
yeah that's about right. someone wants to talk about the thing but doesn't know what else to say about it and so just keeps bringing it up hoping it goes somewhere. Mostly harmless, definitely a little autistic, ultimately whatever.
Anyways, probably about time for a thread. Some inner autistic energy people need to get out of their system.
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>>3958979
Anon, the overwhelming majority of discussion in these threads is to no actual end and is repeated regularly. People discuss it because they like discussing it. You just call it spam because you don't like it.
>>3958981
I give a shit. I thought the discussion was pretty fun. Its a hell of a lot more fun than dealing with you deciding every day that a different line of discussion is arbitrarily not allowed because you specifically don't like it, then justifying with an arbitrary reason that we can all tell isn't the real reason. (No, "not going anywhere" is not the real reason, because the vast majority of discussion here is idle chat that goes nowhere. Same with those "shitposters" who never showed up last time we had this argument)
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>>3958994
>Its a hell of a lot more fun than dealing with you deciding every day that a different line of discussion is arbitrarily not allowed because you specifically don't like it, then justifying with an arbitrary reason that we can all tell isn't the real reason. (No, "not going anywhere" is not the real reason, because the vast majority of discussion here is idle chat that goes nowhere. Same with those "shitposters" who never showed up last time we had this argument)
Okay, pretty sure you think you're talking to a specific guy right now, and that guy isn't me.
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Hey this has all the signs of someone trying to spin a meta argument about arguments into a longer argument about nothing. Please reconsider your actions.
>>3958995
depends on who you ask. I think Fujos are actually into it sometimes.
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>>3958997
I didn't care about Yogurt until people started to get irrationally angry at its existance, and when some thread got (possibly) deleted because someone mentioned him, it does feel like a cursed character sometimes, which is why I like the goner/Gaster theme some people want to add to the character.
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>>3958951
So would Valravn have blue coloured tits or yellow coloured tits?
As she is Zenith Martlet I'd imagine there'd be similarities and differences, especially with what happened in the fic, specifically how she was saved by Clover.
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>>3958999
Oh, my apologies then. You just sound a lot like him and made some similar arguments. I'm still tired of this attitude of "everything that I don't like is spam, so I'll find a reason to justify hating it". People like to discuss things if they want to, discussion naturally breeds more discussion. That is not only normal behavior but is the imageboard working as intended.
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>>3959005
nta, but it feels a bit weird giving her yellow tits because the yellow comes from clover, and it just throws me off taking the energy she got from a child and saying it gave her yellow tits. Though that may just be me.
Also is someone else going to make the thread this time.
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>>3959000
Alright, I'll stop here. But just know that anyone who tries to control what other people post or calls genuine discussion "spam" is and always will be a faggot who should go somewhere else instead of trying to shut down other people's conversations.
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>>3958981
it HAS been shut down every time its been brought up.
but that shutdown also led to discussions about a more reasonably well endowed sadie (which is perfectly fine too, dont get me wrong) and THEN those discussions led to artistic OC and a few greens.
in fact thats how it's gone for most things that pop up in the threads. someone brings up an idea, there's discussions on it, then we get OC like greens and art.
thats how we got DRY1, people talked about DRY ideas and posted greens/art about them until an anon decided to start working on it.
meanwhile you're asking for the opposite. for someone to present art before discussion of it is allowed. if we did that from the start these threads would've died on before 2024 and everything thats been made here wouldnt exist.
all you've done is say that it having art is the only barrier for you to accept something as acceptable thread discussion, you'd probably accept cuckshit if a drawfag popped up that drew it.
i'd also like to point out that for a few weeks we had nonstop autism arguments that dominated every /vrpg/ thread that were barely related to fangames.
and here you are bitching about sadie's bug boobs (actually has relation to the thread topic) and my joking comments about how the thread has a size limit on 'em.
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>>3959004
Honestly half of why I like him is because I can't abide being told what to do. I'll talk about some kid's oc if I feel like it. The other half is that the idea of him being an anomalous cursed entity is really funny.
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>>3959007
Yeah, my issue was primarily that it's just old ground at this point.
Like, two threads ago we had some guy complaining about people disagreeing with him about wanting that character to have big tits, as if that's somehow more than just a difference in personal taste and requires agreement in any way?
Like, if some people want the character to have big tits, whatever, and if some people don't, also whatever, but why does it need to get brought up again and again with literally no difference in how things play out?
It's just stale.
Also, yeah, talk about whatever, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to call it stupid if that just boils down to going over the same topic with no actual deviation multiple times in a row.
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>>3959016
I just don't think sadie should have hyper tits, sure big but not hyper
that doesn't stop anons from making their art of that though (and I will enjoy and save them), it's just not something I would do myself
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>>3959015
The human brain is hardwired to retread old ground, that's simply how it works. People are going to retread old ground, and the older ground is the more people are going to retread it.
Not to say that there wasn't new concepts in the discussion, nor that it needs to have new discussion to be justified. All it needs is for people to have fun discussing it. And you complaining about it comes off as you saying "dtop having fun".
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If you girls are done crying about nothing, I have a couple reference images drawn up
Right to left; Kanako, Sadie, Melody.
Front profile.https://files.catbox.moe/opeon3.png
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That anon was completely justified bringing up his concerns because the conversation had been getting brought up with a copy pasted post using the same image, which is common in spam.
you're also justified in continuing to have the conversation because it's on topic to fan game/fan game characters.
quit being babies over people having opinions you don't like,
and quit being babies over people saying they don't like a conversation.
Part of what makes 4chan conversation better in theory, is that someone can tell you to fuck off, and you can still continue having a pleasant conversation with that very person.
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>>3959025
gotta be honest with you, the bodies are nice, but I don't like those susie heads for some reason, and I feel like noelles eyes are a "too" shiny.
Did you make those models? I'm not trying to be a dick but something throws me off about the heads.
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>>3959028
looking at it some more, I think Noelles head is fine, it's just her eyes that are too shiny in my opinion, but for susie her head seems smaller than it should be, or too soft for the kind of expressions she makes.
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>>3959025
Too small for my tastes, at least with such a toon style. Part of cartooning is exaggerating proportions, so what would be considered big irl becomes average or small by standards of the cartoon, and what's considered massive or even freakish becomes big but normal. They should be double or triple their current size (by volume) to fit the style.
This isn't even getting into hyper, which would be obscenely large even by toon standards.
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>>3959029
That post isn't saying there has to be art to it, it was saying there should be *something* to it other than copy pasted replies from multiple threads ago boiling down to "what if sadie had huge tits?" followed by "no huge tits", and then you complaining that your visionary idea is being shut down unfairly by the thread.
Your topic doesn't have anything of value to offer, you just want to have the same back and forth while not actually doing anything of substance.
You also then proceeded to say your posts about it were "jokes", which is clearly bullshit given how adamantly you've been defending your right to spam the same unfunny "jokes" over and over again.
Ironically enough, this is the exact kind of behavior one would expect from somewhere like /vg/.
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>>3959031
techinically Kanako has wider hips, Melody just has better legs and hips. Sadie's overall build is supposed to be that of a proverbial bombshell.
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>>3959032
Susie and Noelle's heads are shrunk from the default because otherwise they are a bit large. Noelle's eyes are that shiny due to the rendering, in that I threw this together in 30 minutes as a reference image and wasn't going to bother with anything besides the default viewport lighting. And Susie's expression is just set to neutral, nothing more. She can look snarky if I want her too.
>>3959035
To each their own, anon. I can't reasonably make them look larger than that without making it look weird on the model.
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>>3959036
>Ironically enough, this is the exact kind of behavior one would expect from somewhere like /vg/.
Anon I just want to suggest that, if this is indeed someone from /vg/, you are playing into exactly the kind of drama they want.
Normally people in these threads don't care that much if someone doesn't like their flavor of autism, or will argue the virtue of their autism instead of dragging things away from the autism itself.
There are probably other people who want to talk about the topic like the guy posting the 3d models, and that person probably has the appropriate attitude of not fucking caring about thread drama from what it looks like.
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>>3959039
>Noelle's eyes are that shiny due to the rendering
>Susie's expression is just set to neutral, nothing more. She can look snarky if I want her too.
I see, maybe those two things combined are throwing me off, and maybe the blush being on susies neutral face is making her feel too "dollface" to me right now.
Well I don't mean to be a pain about it, I just felt compelled to comment at what it made me feel, looking at it.the sizes you are depicting for Kanako and melody are perfect for me. I like them larger too admittedly, so the size you're putting for Sade is great too all things said. At the max of my "preferred" range.
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>>3959042
>You must be 18+ to post here
he was joking because a lot of posters here don't like yuri you goof. Last time it came up a lot of people expressed distaste for it and one person got upset at that so he's censoring it as a joke.
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>>3959036
i've done it three/four times.
once or twice in the last /vrpg/ thread, once in the /v/ thread, and once in this thread with different conditions to see if anons would accept that. and im going to stop with the hyper since its obvious its a NO and just stick to well endowed sadie.
according to you, this counts as spam.
>complaining
again, its joking observations about how we regularly talk about far worse fetishes but hyper bug boobs is the line that shall not be crossed.
the reason why im in an argument with you is because you've taken it upon yourself to be the arbiter of what we're allowed to discuss and basing it on... me posting the idea three or four times without learning how to do art in a day.
i could give you a green, infact im pretty sure i did do a hyper sadie green the first time and i've done some for well endowed sadie. but again its obvious people dont want that so im not going to.
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>>3959044
I'm into a lot of freaky shit, but mpreg is my freakiest kink, I think that as depraved as I can get, unless my porn addiction keeps evolving and I develop a fetish so vile it gets me shunned from everything.
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>>3959043
Can't really change the blush but it does have it's uses,such as with another render I did of Kris eating Susie out.
>spoiler
thank you, I was also going for portraying their heights in addition to their chest-sizes.
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>>3959052
I'm not meaning to be rude, but I'd say in a lot of circles, mpreg is already in that category isn't it? Like unless you're already talking to fujos who would already shun you as a guy since fujos are, well fujos, there aren't a lot of circles I imagine you can discuss that one in.
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>>3959050
>again, its joking observations about how we regularly talk about far worse fetishes but hyper bug boobs is the line that shall not be crossed.
Yes, a joking observation about how people don't have the same tastes as you, accompanied by relentless bitching about being shut down followed by creating entire arguments whenever someone gets tired of you repeating the same boring shit ad nauseam.
Nobody cares if you like your characters hyper, people are just saying they personally don't see/want them that way, take that as it is and move on already.
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>>3959052
Don't listen to that other anon, compared to some stuff that gets tossed around here, mpreg is whatever.
Even outside of here, I generally just see mpreg as being weird, but not horrifically repulsive or anything like that.
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>>3959054
>spoilers
in a sexual context, the blush probably wouldn't stand out weirdly to me so that makes sense.
I know they are naked there and all, but I'm not viewing it as a "sexual scene" since they are just plainly posed for model viewing.
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>>3959045
To be fair I have to imagine a lot of the people who respond negatively to yuri specifically only hate Toby Fox's yuri, because his attempts at writing it are both repellent and unskippable. Alphys is such a repugnant character that giving her a happy ending just because she's a lesbian and Toby finds that cute is one thing, but the negative-chemistry Suselle pairing is what really made 4chan's UTDR community turn on yuri, and I have to imagine they would have a much higher tolerance for yuri by other, better authors even if they don't like it. I think when people see yuri pairings in the fandom, like that angsty Kanako DRY where she's paired with an author OC, they're imprinting how awful Suselle is onto the concept.
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>>3959055
Well it is, but you never know, there's always something worse, like that catbox pic which featuredan underage Clover having sex with pregnant Ceroba while she gives birthbut I guess that counts as multiple high level fetishes into a single pic.
If I were to make a list of fetishes based on weirdness, I'd say mpreg is on the same tier as vore and unbirthing, too weird for most people, but it can be shown in a way that doesn't make you want to puke if that's not your fetish.
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>>3959060
yes and no. They like the idea of it, they like to watch and imagine and in some mental way take part in it, but they don't like them as friends or allies. It's like how a guy might view yuri if he was into that. he's into girls kissing but that doesn't mean he wants to associate with a lesbian. Humans are kind of weird about how they compartmentalize that
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>>3959056
>and move on already.
i said i was you retarded niggerfaggot. but with how annoying you are and the other two anons i dont want to anymore.
i will now make a hyper sadie green for the next /v/ thread off of her gaining hyper boob size upon entering dark worlds. fuck you.
and YOU are the one that started the argument >>3958967
>why did you bring it up more than once? you didnt provide any art with it and that makes me angry!!!
in fact on that post,
>no one so far has actually cared about enough to do anything with.
me bringing up hyper sadie the first time is what spawned discussions about well endowed sadie, we wouldnt have the sprite edit or the drawing without it.
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>>3959069
Do fujos have an aversion to men though? You'd think they'd still be able to enjoy a discussion of a medium they both enjoy. Like how hmofa has female furries self inserting as the anthro who get along with the men who self insert as the human.
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>>3959074
>i will now make a hyper sadie green for the next /v/ thread off of her gaining hyper boob size upon entering dark worlds. fuck you.
Good.
That was literally my entire point, like I said, I don't give a damn if you like her hyper, do what you want, I just wanted you to quit bitching and moaning about how oppressed you were for other people not liking hyper the way you do.
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>>3959076
I guess, but wouldn't it have made more sense for it to have been another Toby Fox song?
Megalovania isn't even from Homestuck, Toby just made a modified version of it for the comic, it first came from his Earthbound Halloween Hack.
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>>3959066
I have lesbian fatigue from every action woman being a lesbian in western media, Toby Fox sucking balls at writing his Yuri fetish only made the fatigue worse, not to mention how seemingly most women in DR randomly become lesbians (Catty, Catti and Bratty)
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>>3959066
My hatred of yuri mainly comes from how spiteful it usually is in popular media. It seems like its always done at the express expense of the men in the story, for the specific purpose of putting them down, or as an act of political activism. Its hardly ever done out of genuine enjoyment for the pairing, and the only example that was which I know of which was done genuinely are Toby's awful yuri pairings.
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>>3959075
>Do fujos have an aversion to men though?
NTA, but some fujos do, others just project their fetish into men they find atractive, evolved fujos can fetishize any men and specially male friendships, they even fetishize old men, calling it "old men yaoi"
Also you have to keep in mind that most yaoi media is written by women and for women, I didn't like the few yaoi stories I've read, the guys acts too much like women
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>>3959066
>To be fair I have to imagine a lot of the people who respond negatively to yuri specifically only hate Toby Fox's yuri
yeah, and that was a big point made in the conversation.
plus the community uses yuri as a cheap "diversity points" thing to avoid writing a good character. you can of course write well written lesbians, but so many people just fall back on "everyone clap i've made a lesbian"
Its funny that gay men characters usually get written better than lesbians.
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any further thoughts on these? >>3959025
If not, I'm gonna go watch Hunt for Red October
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>>3959081
>in western media
I don't watch much of new western stuff so that would explain why I wasn't considering that but I can understand why that would cause fatigue. Usually if I suspect a show or movie is going to have something like that I avoid it and I'm usually right, Deltarune is an exception because I greatly enjoy pretty much everything EXCEPT Suselle. I like Noelle and I like Susie, just only when they aren't in the same room and when Noelle isn't talking about Susie.
>posting has been temporarily blocked from your IP range
What the hell, I'm a burger in the middle of nowhere. See you guys around
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>>3959083
>and the only example that was which I know of which was done genuinely are Toby's awful yuri pairings.
NTA, and this isn't necessarily directly related, but one thing I always thought was weird about Toby's lesbian relationships in UT and DR is how they always seem really one-sided.
Like how Alphys is way more visibly attracted to Undyne in UT and DR than Undyne is to Alphys, or how Noelle is clearly obsessed with (how she sees) Susie while Susie really just doesn't seem to care about her like that at all.
I feel like Toby could actually make it work really well if he has Susie reject Noelle, but if he ends up having them get together completely unironically, that might just tank a huge part of the story.
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>>3959075
I wont say all of them do, but many do. Fujos are the the woman version of terminally online men a lot of the time. Their imagined version of men kissing is far better than any real disgusting man, etc etc.
this isn't universal, but fujos name comes from the way they act and behave. fujoshi means something like "rotten girl"
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>>3959081
>lesbian fatigue
I always saw it less of a lesbian issue and more of a shitty writer issue where the only thing they can write is blush and pickup lines cheesier than 90s nachos. Too safe. Too by the numbers. Give me the good shit that clamps onto my heart and gives it the death roll. It's something that can never be found on television.If Tobias does not capitalize on Noelle realizing that even Susie was just another person that lied to her to "keep her safe" I will always call him a forever fraud. ITS RIGHT THERE.
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>>3959098
>I always saw it less of a lesbian issue and more of a shitty writer issue where the only thing they can write is blush and pickup lines cheesier than 90s nachos.
Sometimes it's not even that, the main girl just gets paired with another girl with 0 chemistry only because lesbians makes someones peepee hard, and you'll find an army of literal fags and "allies" defending it just because its not straight so you aren't even allowed to criticize it, strangely, when gay romance its written badly it usually get criticized much harder, this behavior made me hate yurifags in general.
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>>3959099
Like I said, good.
That guy spent that entire argument feeding his victim complex from people not always sharing his fetish, while completely ignoring my point that he should just quit bitching and stop fishing for validation and instead do whatever he wants even if it's unpopular.
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>>3959093
ok I wildly misread the words on your post
I think I've been sipping Retard Juice by accident
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>>3959091
>is how they always seem really one-sided.
they are, and while I like tobys writing in a lot of stuff, he's blind when he starts writing yuri. his comment on how women like undyne are attracted to women like alphys in real life felt so very out of touch with reality you know?
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and yeah this here, the vast majority of lesbian ships are just so terribly written. I don't have an issue with women being gay, but when I see people write lesbians they get lazy as fuck, When I see anons here writing their romances with various scrimblos though? There's at least some kind of effort put in, even if it ends up bad, it's not as bad as the average yuri shippers ability.
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>>3959107
What did you think I was saying?
My overall point in that post and the post before it was that I thought it was a strange choice to use a Homestuck song that Toby didn't make (Heir of Grief by Tensei, specifically) for an Underswap project, instead of a song he actually did make.
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>>3959110
>his comment on how women like undyne are attracted to women like alphys in real life felt so very out of touch with reality you know?
Yeah, but the weird thing is that it's not even just out of touch in real-life, it almost feels out of touch in UTDR too.
Like, I wouldn't describe Undyne as being head-over-heels for Alphys after watching her go "I guess?" when prompted to kiss Alphys before Flowey's ambush in the true pacifist route.
Like, she seems very reluctant and hesitant about the whole thing, I'm kinda surprised they unironically end up together.
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>>3959110
>When I see anons here writing their romances with various scrimblos though? There's at least some kind of effort put in, even if it ends up bad, it's not as bad as the average yuri shippers ability.
This just reads like “HMOFA faggotry = good and well written because I like it, but yuri faggotry = bad because I don’t like it”
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>>3959113
Martroba is a good example of one of those yuri ships with absolutely no chemistry.
I could see them becoming friends in a way, like two moms that don't hate eachother and so they chat, or bonding over a shared interest in Clovers wellbeing maybe? but Martroba itself is just bad (even if some of the art manages to be cute just because it's well made).
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>>3959120
well you're wrong and examples are actually being given in this discussion. I'm afraid yuri writers are thinking with their dicks and or baginas, while other shippers are thinking with their hearts, even gay shippers (I am not into gay shipping but I'll respect their hearts and passion).
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>>3959121
NTA, but honestly, after how they seem to interact with each other towards the end of true pacifist, I wouldn't be surprised if Martlet still dislikes Ceroba.
They really only seem to tolerate each other in the funeral scene, so I just don't see them being even minor friends with each other past a certain point.
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>>3959110
I think yuri is written so poorly because the people that consume it have insanely low standards, you just have to show them a girl blushing at another girl and they'll call it "peak" and defend it with their lives, its also usually written by guys who fetishize lesbians, unlike here were the gay guys can feel genuine love for their scrimblos, of course there are those that see them as fetish material but its not all of them.
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>>3959128
>I wouldn't be surprised if Martlet still dislikes Ceroba.
>They really only seem to tolerate each other in the funeral scene, so I just don't see them being even minor friends with each other past a certain point
I can completely respect that, I just like the thought that sometime before coming to the surface, roba had a "come to jesus" moment that put them on slightly better terms.
I like the idea of Martlet having concerns and fears over if Clover even likes being under her roof, and Ceroba reassuring her.
I'm also a rampant Momlet enjoyer so understand that I've got a whole story thought up of how that come to jesus happened and how they all dealt with clover coming back, and how each of them faced the less ideal parts of themselves in the process. My autism is simply all over the place.
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>>3959129
>its also usually written by guys who fetishize lesbians, unlike here were the gay guys can feel genuine love for their scrimblos
You are concerned with the fetishization of lesbians on this place?
Also holy ESL
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>>3959134
>My autism is simply all over the place.
Always have your tell, don't you?
Anyway, yeah, that's fine, I just think going off of how those characters act, I don't see them (or most of the main UTY cast for that matter) having too close of a connection without Clover resurrecting somehow.
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>>3959138
>You are concerned with the fetishization of lesbians on this place?
Yes, because Yurifags want you to believe that its not a fetish, if they were honest about it I wouldn't mind them too much, but they want to have their cake and eat it too.
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>>3959129
I can see that.
So consider this, a person fetishisizing wings or fluffy tail is still going to be motivated to write a personality to come together nicely for his story.
A person fetishizing the relationship itself however, is facing the fact that personalities that don't mesh stands in the way of your story directly.
there's two options there, become a better writer in order to make the story work, or ignore it which is much more damning since the fetish depends on the relationship which runs off the engine of the characters personality.
It's not to say that yuri can't be written well, it's just that most yuri writers take the easy way out since the characters are in the way of what they want.
>>3959130
I disagree. I've written myself to tears on completely non sexual stories. I wont say that my dick does not also have passion for the ladies, but when I'm writing I absolutely am channeling my heart.
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>>3959108
I wouldn't have the same primal revulsion as I do for Suselle but I think that would be boring as hell. Ceroba should either get with Starlo or stay alone in mourning of Chujin. I can't see Martlet having much in common with Roba besides low intelligence.
>>3959110
>There's at least some kind of effort put in
I have to disagree here though, usually those stories refuse to define the character meant to be the self-insert, sometimes to the point of making that a joke. I always get called a faggot for expressing this opinion but I have always, always hated "Anon" as a fictional character in self-insert stories. I want the self-insert to have a character, even if it's the kind of thing that can easily be self-inserted into like the average harem protagonist, not be a nameless faceless green blob.
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>>3959142
>Always have your tell, don't you?
I wasn't meaning to "reveal" myself or anything but yeah I guess so huh.
>I don't see them (or most of the main UTY cast for that matter) having too close of a connection without Clover resurrecting somehow.
I agree for sure. I'm sure a better writer could make it work, but in general I feel like Clover is an important factor in my feelings of the casts interactions.
side note, why aren't we doing a thread with all of this conversation energy.
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>>3959151
>I wasn't meaning to "reveal" myself or anything but yeah I guess so huh.
Ah, it's alright.
Let your dark spirit guide you.
>I agree for sure. I'm sure a better writer could make it work, but in general I feel like Clover is an important factor in my feelings of the casts interactions.
You'll only become a better writer by being the writer you are now first.
It'll be difficult, and time consuming, but you have to eat the path.
>side note, why aren't we doing a thread with all of this conversation energy.
Dunno.
I'm down for one if someone makes one, but I got a warn the last time I did it, so I don't feel like being the one to do it this time.
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>>3959147
>I have to disagree here though, usually those stories refuse to define the character meant to be the self-insert, sometimes to the point of making that a joke
I'll give you credit, but
>but I have always, always hated "Anon" as a fictional character in self-insert stories
I like giving him a character while calling him Anon. I want the given Anon in a given story to have a personality, but I still want that name to be an avenue for the reader putting himself in these shoes more easily. That guy who was writing the Anon x Martlet for instance gave that Anon some very well defined personality traits.
I guess what I'm saying is I don't mind the name being Anon, but you have a point about how people generally don't define the character. I even remember one of the jokes about it with the "nondescript anon has a rare moment of descript" green. I also Like the name Anon just because I've been here on this site for 20 years, and Anon is just "the name". I'm Anon, you're Anon, Anon can have a personality, he can have hopes dreams and ambitions. It just doesn't sound weird to me hearing the name as "Anon"
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WE'RE LOCKED IN BABY, 900 MILES AN HOUR STRAIGHT TO STUPIDTOWN!
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>>3959147
>even if it's the kind of thing that can easily be self-inserted into like the average harem protagonist,
Hard disagree with this, Anon at the very least represents the common user of the board the story has been written for, like Anon from Snoot Game who was more personality than your average harem protagonist, with him being antisocial and a jerk in general,
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>>3959153
>Let your dark spirit guide you.
as ever before. I'm glad at least I'm not the only person who loves the bird.
>but I got a warn the last time I did it, so I don't feel like being the one to do it this time.
I've made I think the last 4 of them and while I don't mind making another, I feel like people are starting to feel like "they shouldn't be the one to make the thread" so I'm trying to stand back and let someone fucking do it.
>You'll only become a better writer by being the writer you are now first.
>It'll be difficult, and time consuming, but you have to eat the path.
Wise words and well spoken.
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>>3959159
>as ever before. I'm glad at least I'm not the only person who loves the bird.
The bird is nice, though I'm more of a fox guy myself.
>I've made I think the last 4 of them and while I don't mind making another, I feel like people are starting to feel like "they shouldn't be the one to make the thread" so I'm trying to stand back and let someone fucking do it.
Okay, if no one else does it, I'll be the one to sacrifice myself on the altar of the board's intended god damn purpose.
>Wise words and well spoken.
Indeed.
Just don't say the whole text, people start to look at you weird if you memorize the whole thing and repeat it like a mantra.
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>>3959163
I think that's part of the complaint he's making. It's not displaying any writing skills by making one of the characters completely hollow as a reflective surface, and while that can be enjoyable, I can understand the perspective of wanting more in there.
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>>3959165
That's like complaining that a self portrait doesn't include any other people. Its completely outside the focus of the work and would only serve to drag it down by including a tacked on and shoehorned in character.
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>>3959168
I am eternally grateful for that green you wrote on my birthday (pretty sure that was you at least) of Reynault/Anon, and I swear I will pay you back some day with some Martlet/Anon stuff.
Hell, technically speaking my next major project is gonna be some of that, just probably not to your tastes, sorry as I am to say.
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>>3959170
that's fair, but a lot of people would rather see a romance between 2 defined "real" characters than a self insert like that. I don't think his point is completely without Merit, but I think Anon x (character) still works. I don't know I just think there's some merit to it.
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>>3959171
>pretty sure that was you at least
twas I, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. Writing these smaller little things has been helping me while I've been having trouble focusing on my larger projects due to work.
I would absolutely love something Anon x Martlet related, if you ever find yourself with the spare time.
>just probably not to your tastes, sorry as I am to say.
I"ll probably still expose myself to it if you could be so kind as to leave the proper warnings on it when you finish it, so that I know what I'm getting myself into.
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>>3959182
>twas I, and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I enjoyed it very much, yes.
I didn't think the line I said that inspired it was that heavy though, but maybe I just don't see it the way other people do.
Still though, the idea of Reynault calling me his "favorite joke" is very nice and cozy.
>I would absolutely love something Anon x Martlet related, if you ever find yourself with the spare time.
I will try and do something small, and ostensibly normal, after my next major project, since I should hopefully have a bit of downtime after that's over.
>I"ll probably still expose myself to it if you could be so kind as to leave the proper warnings on it when you finish it, so that I know what I'm getting myself into.
Of course, there'll be some proper tags once it's done.
For now though, my general plan with it is to have it be a Martlet/Anon thing centered around her talons, and the anon's appreciation of them getting a certain reaction out of Martlet.
Not to be confused with the three similar ideas an anon posted a while back, which I also have to work on at some point.
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>>3959186
>I didn't think the line I said that inspired it was that heavy though
the instant I read that line I imagined both Reynault and Roba frowning from opposite ends of time and space.
>Not to be confused with the three similar ideas an anon posted a while back, which I also have to work on at some point.
I remember those, one stood out to me in particular about Zartlet being upset about hurting (you) accidentally in the process.
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>>3959188
>the instant I read that line I imagined both Reynault and Roba frowning from opposite ends of time and space.
I do wonder how Ceroba might respond to me saying something like that. Self-deprecating humor aside, I'm usually very good at keeping my mask on when I care enough to, so I figure I could keep her from being too worried.
I imagine they both might know better than to read too far into a line like that, most days.
In the context that green took place in, yeah, I guess that'd be worrying though.Personally, I'm surprised you didn't have Reynault use a line about a joke "being run into the ground" while burying me in that other green, I feel like that would've fit well.
>I remember those, one stood out to me in particular about Zartlet being upset about hurting (you) accidentally in the process.
Yeah, I plan on doing a sort of before/after thing for each of them, with the first panel being anon tickling Zartlet just before getting talon'd in the face, and the second panel being Zartlet cuddling anon and his comically-dented head after the fact, similar things for the rest.
I do worry slightly that drawing three tickling images in a row will make people think I have a fetish for it though, so I'll probably have to break them up a little.
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>>3959193
>so I figure I could keep her from being too worried.
true but, my idea was that you said this while sick, a bit out of your mind and not running the appropriate filter.
>I imagine they both might know better than to read too far into a line like that, most days.
maybe but, if you were in a terrible fever I think it would be a concerning thing to hear. I figured Cerobas reaction would be different but the dark spirit only brought me an idea for Reynaults reaction.
>spoilers
that's pretty good. I'm not quite as clever as oldentale anon when it comes to thinking of what that dastardly fox might say, so I made up for it by finding something french for him to say.
>I do worry slightly that drawing three tickling images in a row will make people think I have a fetish for it though,
Maybe it will be enough for them to stop calling you CBTanon, though I don't know how you'll feel about the alternative.
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>>3959195
>true but, my idea was that you said this while sick, a bit out of your mind and not running the appropriate filter.
Fair enough, I did mostly stop caring and let my mask slip when I got near-deathly sick a few years back, so I guess you weren't too off in your depiction.
>I figured Cerobas reaction would be different but the dark spirit only brought me an idea for Reynaults reaction.
Fair, and it was a very good reaction. Kind, and touching, though still kind of an insult, even if only playing off an insult I directed towards myself.
I guess I just really like the idea of growing so close to him that he'd be upset at hearing me say something like that.
>that's pretty good. I'm not quite as clever as oldentale anon when it comes to thinking of what that dastardly fox might say, so I made up for it by finding something french for him to say.
I too have difficulty imagining what he'd say or do in certain contexts, which is why I savor every little bit of information on him that Oldentale anon is willing to post.
>Maybe it will be enough for them to stop calling you CBTanon, though I don't know how you'll feel about the alternative.
I don't know how to feel about that either.
I mean, I guess I have had some other similar ideas in the past for other characters, but I don't think that's enough to push me over the edge.
Probably.
Yet.
I may be digging myself a hole here.
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>>3959240
I wrote notes for hypothetical games for several years before starting with Naranja, back then I was just an ideas guys, but now I feel like I could actually make some of those, I want to begin working on an original game once I'm done with UTN.
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>>3959240
I was writing a personal little story about an exorcist, but I can't get fangame stuff out of my head. I'd like to write something completely of my own one day, but it makes me really happy playing with the scrimblos and i'm learning a lot in the process.
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>>3959057
>You think futa is on the same level as unbirthing and worse than scat?
Nta but apparently so. A couple weeks ago I brought up a possible commission I would get with my cat gal boning zenmart and two anons had a mind melt over it.
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>>3959317
Hey I wasn't having a mind melt! I just asked that it not be turned into a threadwide topic where people are constantly asking for chicks with dicks like how the unbirthing stuff is constantly requested!
you can enjoy what you want, even if I'm not into it. If a guy can be into mpreg, then have at it I guess.
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>>3959318
Ye I'm catching up on the thread atm but didn't think me answering a question about Valravn's breasts out of the blue there would have contributed anything. Also the yellow/golden nips would definitely be a non canon thing for her, much like the original intent of how big her breasts would be in my mind.
>>3959320
All good anon, it was honestly a bit mind-boggling and funny that either you or the other anon said they would rather see unbirthing than futa. But like we discussed, if I do get it, I would properly label before posting so you know not to click on it.
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>>3959333
>All good anon, it was honestly a bit mind-boggling and funny that either you or the other anon said they would rather see unbirthing than futa
it's kind of funny looking back on it, but I think of people trying to have "legitimate discussions about how a character being futa could play into the story" like people have done about the unbirthing and I want to scream. I think of someone trying to say "ok but this artist doesn't make it sexual" and I want to slam my face on the desk. The absurdity is making me laugh.
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>>3959348
ok but what if Ceroba was a horse instead.
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>>3959337
Thankfully I have grown out of that phase in life where I would try and justify the existence of futa in a story. I fully separate the horny and non horny writing and even when I (probably) write the uty story with that cat there is going to be no mention of that part of her whatsoever.
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>>3959363
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>>3959384
Nah, it's cool.
Sometimes I get a little eeeeehhhh when I'm really tired and think something's a bit funnier than it really is, hence me thinking that ruining thread integrity with lore-crucial futa cock was a really funny idea.
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>>3959392
Okay, can you imagine the fallout of if someone made a fic, an otherwise entirely non-sexual fic, where one of the women having a massive cock is somehow essential to the story?
I wanna see something upstage the unbirthing in terms of severity and intensity, just a fuckin' trainwreck goin' straight through the threads.
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>>3959307
control your greed. besides she already has a massive gaster(yes thats actually what their called in ants) so its not like you'd really get to appreciate a dumpy on her
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>>3959658
Big burly hairy guys fucking each other specifically, but yes. I think its because that's basically the gayest a relationship can be, not an ounce of femininity to be found, so it sets off the gay alarm as loud as its possible to set it off.
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>>3959662
Its a normal biological response. Its like responding to incest with disgust. The whole point of it is to thoroughly overpower any sexual feelings you might feel so you avoid that kind of sex and do something beneficial to the species.
Also, have you seen bara porn? Its hardly just gay guys, its specifically the most huge muscular hairy and sweaty guys. Its not just gay, its hyper-gay.
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>>3959663
Probably because you're gay, or at least bisexual. Gays don't have that visceral "NO" reaction like straight people do, which is why they're gay.
I don't hold it against people to be gay, but I don't think there's anything wrong with being disgusted by it.
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>>3959665
>The whole point of it is to thoroughly overpower any sexual feelings you might feel so you avoid that kind of sex and do something beneficial to the species.
Homosexual behavior is observed naturally in way, way more species than just humans, so your statement there doesn't hold up. Humans are driven by much more than instinct, and have been for as long as we've been civilized.
Also, while I'm not into bara, I think weirdly muscular guys with excessive hair is still nowhere near the same kind of absolute disgust as actual fecal matter, come on now.
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>>3959668
Homosexuality is like heterochromia or albinism, its just a result of some crossed wire in the brain or some misprinted genetic code somewhere that causes the revulsion to sex with men to not work. If it doesn't work, fucking other men iss basically a free pleasure hack since men are way hornier than women and way easier to arouse, and you don't have to worry about children. I don't blame you for doing it, I'm just saying the disgust is a natural response. And if this is common in humans then I don't see why it wouldn't be in animals as well. Animals like pleasure and are just as prone to genetic and mental variations as us.
>I think weirdly muscular guys with excessive hair is still nowhere near the same kind of absolute disgust as actual fecal matter, come on now.
Again, that's cause you're gay (or bi). Of course you aren't gonna hate seeing it as much if you actually do find men attractive normally.
I'll say there's probably an inverse issue as well, where among straights some are likely more naturally disgusted by homosexuality than others. After all if a crossed wire can break something, it could probably send it into overdrive as well.
The point is, I personally find gay shit gross, especially bara. You can argue all you want, but you aren't gonna change an instinctual response.
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>>3959673
Well, I've found a few papers explicitly stating that the actual reasons for a disgust response towards homosexuality is unclear, as well as that the disgust response is nowhere near an actual universal response, but feel free to talk out of your ass and assert it as fact, why not.
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>>3959676
I've already said that I don't have any ill will against gays. So stop trying to act like I'm persecuting you because I don't want to look at gay porn. You're free to look at as much bara shit as you want, I just personally don't like that shit, and I don't think disliking it makes me a freak.
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>>3959678
>So stop trying to act like I'm persecuting you because I don't want to look at gay porn.
>ou're free to look at as much bara shit as you want, I just personally don't like that shit, and I don't think disliking it makes me a freak.
I'm literally not saying that. I'm not even defending bara, a lot of it is really weirdly, absurdly gross and offputting, but I think putting it, and gay people in general, on the same level as people getting off to literal human shit is just being needlessly hostile, and justifying your feelings by citing "instinctual responses" that don't actually exist is just weak.
If you just don't like to see that kind of thing, but don't actually hat gay people, that's all fine and dandy, but don't insist your feelings are representative of the entire human race when actual studies show that simply isn't the case.
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>>3959684
I don't want to make this a sex politics debate. And I definitely don't want to get into argument about bias in studies related to political hot button issues like sexuality.
I'm not being hostile here, I'm just saying that I am equally averse to both things and not because of political or religious reason. And me being that averse to it is not an attack on you. I don't get mad at you for liking what you like, because I understand you have no control over it. Likewise I think its reasonable to ask that you don't get mad over my personal tastes.
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Alright Oldentale anon, you wanted this.
This is pretty nonsensically long, but here's the rentry containing my thoughts on Nanquest, which you wanted to see my take on for whatever reason: https://rentry.org/uzat9uk5
It's a little under twice the length of my document on Rubyquest, for reference.
I'm going to assume you wanted to see this for some sort of analytical purposes related to my thoughts on fangames or something, because otherwise there is absolutely no excuse for this being as long as it is.
For now, I'm fucking tired, so I'm going to bed as soon as I finish brushing my teeth, so I'll respond to whatever you have to say about this later.
Enjoy.
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>>3959734
Probably a fixation on doomed romance. I'm pretty sure that's a common thing right?
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>>3959741
I must have missed that altogether. God damn. Can't just let the kids be happy.
Maybe they'll be happy at the end of that terrible road.
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>>3959742
Also for some reason they made a sprite comic where Kanako tries to continue her father'sl egacy on her's and Clover's kid, only for Clover to find out and immediately divorce her on the spot taking the kid??
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>>3959746
what the fuck am I reading. I've written some edgy nonsense before but I usually become self aware at some point during the process.
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>Cole: tries to act more mature than he is with a strong sense of justice and black and white view on morality. both him and Kanako tard wrangle their more extreme traits
>Kanako: Spoiled rich girl with a mischievous reckless side but ultimately good natured. her obsession with superheroes and carefree persona comes from the lack of real control she feels in her life
>Sadie: mostly shy and reserved from her strong religious background she also good friends between all of the main cast acting as a negotiator between them. is 'secretly' a massive degenerate
>Melody: due to her abrasive personality and being quick to anger she's not well liked by most of her classmates. she's a massive perfectionist towards herself and others and has a ridged code of ethics (even more so than Cole's) that she refuses to break even when it gets her in trouble. is also one of the only people in the wild east to seriously follow their religion of the angel
idk what to do with gizmo beyond making him a more 4chin brand of berdly
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>>3959786
>both him and Kanako tard wrangle their more extreme traits
maybe it would be nice to see this in action of all things. To showcase how Cole and Kanako are already close, the two of them already know some things that the other would do and are pre-emptive about it in some way.
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>>3959786
Sadie comes off as a gossip and an instigator, even in canon DRY. I don't see her as being malicious but just enjoying drama and wanting to put a little bit of excitement into her friend group when she pushes others' buttons,which is why she started making fountains as the Outlaw, to give Cole and Kanako adventures to bond over before he has to leave.And the Weird Route would be the player manipulating things to make the adventures as tragic as possible for Cole and Kanako until Cole's only fixation becomes to apprehend the Outlaw and put an end to the misery, while Sadie watches with increasing horror as things go exactly the opposite of what she wants and fails to course correct.
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>>3959832
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What do you do to make her less of Chapter 1 Susie: 2, or just Susie in general?
>>3959840
Messing with a fundamental force of reality of your universe is a surefire way to fuck around and find out. The "finding out" bit can vary by severity, depending on who you ask
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>>3959865
Play with her soul trait, I suppose.
In Chapter 1, Susie was half-heartedly following the prophecy until she decides to go against it.
In the same situation, I'd imagine Melody to not even be in the prophecy, decides she can "fix" things on her own and blitzkrieg her way through the dark world since she "knows better".
You'd still get a girl frustrated about the world around her 24/7, but her ways of showing it would differ a lot from Susie.
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>>3959786
>idk what to do with gizmo beyond making him a more 4chin brand of berdly
Rather than being obsessed with video games as a whole, he seems specifically obsessed with arcadey games and high scores, since he said modern games abandoned that philosophy and he's clearly disappointed in that. So maybe lean into his competitive side, to the detriment of others (I.E. being unable to back down from a challenge, being unwilling to move on without getting N°1 spot in something, etc.). Maybe even something about him putting the party in danger by taking on an obviously unfavorable challenge/rigged game.
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>>3959865
Frame her actions, and her character arc, around her being the "integrity" character. She should be ironclad in her feelings and any changes to her thinking should either be contextualized into the framework of her beliefs or otherwise be met with EXTREME resistance, having to be beat into her (metaphorically or maybe literally if you fight her).
Also, just touching on her being the only non-playable human in the game, if you start a battle against her I think it would be really interesting if she didn't have any bullet patterns and just damaged you directly like a traditional JRPG. You can have the battle box appear with your soul in it, but then you just get hit. Beating her in the fight requires using Defend and Heal to withstand her, maybe with a big TP boost each time you take damage so it's not a slog. You can't spare her but your ACTs can convince her to end the fight by sparing you
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so there are two clovers now, a lightner one in wheelchair and a darkner one for some reason
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>>3959914
Cute roba but wheelchair clover is silly. I'll give them 4 points for making chujin tall. Best I can offer.
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>>3959930
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>>3959933
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>>3959918
yeah clover being in a wheelchair is pretty dumb (i really hope clover at least gets some add mobility in the dark world). there was one DR clover take that made blind that i though was neat if only for the "justice is blind" motif, hell maybe (YOU) could literally act as his "eyes in the sky"
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>>3959949
Frisk and Clover being around the same age as Asriel and Chara doesn’t make sense. They would both be around the age of Kris, and maybe Clover would be a grade higherAlso I am open to the idea of Kris is Frisk, so “Frisk” here might not even exist
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Yeah, I think I see a bit of the vision here.
I never really bought Melody having physical strength as a defining characteristic in a non-Undertale setting, so I'm thinking what might be fun is if she's more social, motivated, prideful, petty, and condescending. This IS a teenage girl after all. Melody would be the kind of person that would emotionally tear others down through hidden insults and backhanded compliments, and if provoked or emboldened enough drop the pretenses entirely and go straight for the insecurity/trauma jugular. Walk around with the kind of cool-headed confidence you get from seeing everyone around you as lesser people. And while I don't think she'd be the type to physically strike first, she would double down on her fighting words and wouldn't back down if challenged. I imagine her goading Kanako into an ugly cat fight or two. She does have honor though, Melody wouldn't start rumors and say what she wants to say directly. It'd be a lot longer & tougher to get Melody to soften up like Susie, but if the former did get over herself she'd be the hilarious snarky & witty friend.
As for why she would act like this, I'm thinking that like Susie she did have to move, but left behind the people and places she knew and cherished. To her the small midwestern town and the people there are a punishment and would lash out at them, hoping that it's temporary and things would go back to the way they're supposed to be. She's not one of them and doesn't want to be. Heavy avoidant attachment personality.
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>>3959957
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>>3959695
>Fuck, okay, I just imagined being one of Red's patients as he gently talks me through giving me the cure with what is most certainly an unprofessional amount of intimacy, I need to stop thinking about this.
This is the part where I'd post that video of that guy smoking and yelling "oh nigga you gay" but it seems to have been scrubbed from the Internet
>Seeing the panel of Red's apparent reaction to that drawing of him was hilarious.
Which panel?
>It really hurts me, somehow, not getting to see more of him. I don't even really know if it's just him I long for or some imagined version in my head, but it's really genuinely hurting me that I've seen all I'll ever get to see of him.
I get that feeling all the time about fiction. Not even in a gay way and often not even about any character in specific. Just a wish that things could've continued as they were for a while longer or progressed in the direction I thought it was progressing in. I do find myself getting very attached to random nobody characters though.
That feeling colors a lot of my writing style, including my work in Oldentale.
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>I like how you can clearly distinguish the importance of the arcade from the hotel based on how the hotel is much more detailed.
Its like how you can tell when an object is important in Tom and Jerry because its obviously drawn on a separate layer from the background. Or how you can tell a prop corpse in Resident Evil apart from a sleeping zombie.
I feel like if I were making a pre rendered background horror game like that, I'd fuck with the player by having real time rendered objects that do nothing at all just to make the player think its going to do something. Then later have a threat be part of the pre rendered background so I can attack them when they think they're safe.
>That's not a relatability thing for me, I'm actually fairly fit, I just like her design being a bit thicker.
So in addition to fox paws you also like goat ass. Good to know.
>"Pablo says he is not afraid to die anymore."
>Huh.
I didn't catch that before, but he is quoting Red there isn't he. He's also a fox, albeit on the polar opposite spectrum of how one can be drawn from Red.
>unless everyone in the hotel is here as divine punishment for some transgression.
Red Herring precognition
>Also also, apparently Santiago is a coyote, according to Weaver, so it wouldn't count even if I did have feelings for him.
>Ha.
You say that like Ceroba doesn't visit you in your dreams every night
>not super crazy about the rape implications he's got going on
Implications? I read that scene as him basically giving Nan the "I likes ya and I wants ya" ultimatum.
>Really laying it on thick with the rape stuff with Santiago
>"He says Anna wanted it." "You could tell."
I didn't even make the connection before, but this is a lot like the Noelle rape posting that dominated the threads a few months back. And just like with Noelle, he's got a point. Anna really did want to die, and it seems she got her wish, albeit in a gruesome way. It seems like a lot of the people there that wanted to die did
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>>3959695
>The time travel is interesting, but I don't think I've seen enough of it yet to guess where that's going.
I don't know where it went after completing the story. I suspect Weaver didn't either.
>I kinda wanna talk about that one tumblr post Weaver made about Red and Santiago, or more specifically, how people view them
I'd like to see that post and hear your thoughts
>That doesn't really explain Henry's reaction to all that though, but I dunno.
In retrospect I also don't know what was going on here. Obviously in the moment the scene was meant to foreshadow Henry being a killer and Kim dying, but we know that Kim didn't die that way, so the only explanation left is that it was the Padre creating an illusion to trick Nan, but then why did it lay the blame on Henry, if Henry is working for the Padre?
>but interestingly, she seems to be less aware that she's in an illusion of some kind with each one,
My running theory is that Nan really did exist at all these points in time due to timeline and reality warping fuckery. Maybe she time traveled, maybe she reincarnated, maybe Nan was made up of all these individual people put together. Personally I like the time travel answer the best. It explains why everything is so different after the hotel is destroyed. Its influence was purged from the timeline, causing major changes to the present.
Maybe Nan's origin story kept changing because of all the alterations to the timeline, which is where all these conflicting Nancys come from. However the hotel exists independent of time, so all the Nans get mixed together into this mosaic Nan upon entering.
>Probably not though, that would imply the story is way more centered around her specifically
That does seem to be the case though. She's basically the Messiah for this story.
> Like, is he teleporting?
Since he's a slasher maybe he's got Jason powers, and can move really fast when he's off screen. I'm more curious how he's so strong and tough. Its almost unnatural
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It is done
https://files.catbox.moe/dklfbi.ogg
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>>3959695
>shouldn't he have some kind of mark on his face from being hit with the rebar when he first fought Nan?
He does have one above his right eye.
>what was that vision we saw?
Time travel. The hotel took Alan before the confrontation and took his father after the confrontation. It exists outside of time so it can do that. From its pov it may have taken his father first.
>Also, okay, what's the actual significance of the whole 466 thing then?
I could've sworn it already explained the 466 blood sacrifice victims thing by that point.
>Sergeant Hatred.
Who?
>I don't think it's said what Henry did to end up here
He was a wife beater who lost his family. I think his story of staying in the hotel for a business trip was the honest truth. There seems to be a normal world version of the hotel that exists for everyone its not interested in like the construction workers that built it or mail men.
>but maybe that's the point, that the entity exploited their desire to try and circumvent it to get them to summon it to begin with, but that feels like a bit of a cop out.
Well the mass blood sacrifice is a regular occurrence. Its been going on since the stone age and never seems to solve the problem. And the guy who initiates it is always the one to be possessed, so I think the whole thing is controlled opposition. The darkness poisoned the priest's mind with bad ideas, which lead to the hotel problem.
>but Anna's still dead, so what was the point of that exactly?
The hotel exists outside of time. The version of her that came to the hotel is still dead, but now there exists a version that didn't.
>So Nan did cause that one electrical fire in the nightclub.
Because she caused it in the hotel or in her own future. She's still yet to cause that fire in 2009.
>and it feels like I missed something big.
I think its just weaver writing by the seat of his pants and having to deal with the rogue element of anon decisions
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>>3960037
>Not exactly. I made the Rude Buster remix for DRY, Zaevrot's boss theme for Naranja. And an area theme for Oldentale.
Ah, you are THE music anon, I wish we had more guys like you, keep up the good work man.
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>>3960031
I downloaded one of those but it looks like you are supposed get other programs to go along with it to actually "do"? I'll go do some reading but is there any kind of quick start guides or people that may be ideal? I started watching a video on reapers basics but I get the impression I'm not seeing the whole picture.
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>>3960038
Oh yeah, and I made a song for a future Kanako "date" scene, if I recall. But hey, I'm not the only music guy. Bearing's boss theme was cool, and I'm pretty sure the Robotopia theme was a remix of Meltdown/Core/Cyber World made by another anon too. That one was great.
>>3960040
What you're thinking of are VSTs. Virtual instruments. Programs like FL Studio just manipulate these, but these are the ones that actually make the sounds. There are free ones, paid ones, and "free" ones if you catch my drift. I hated the hassle of dealing with them which is exactly why I settled on Sunvox, where I could "make" my own instruments. Everything you hear there is stuff made from the modules that come with Sunvox. Buuut it can't use VSTs, at least not as far as I know. So I'm trading away the most common source of instruments for pure freeform molding of basic sound generators.
I did make the Rude Buster remix with Reaper, before I switched. That one does use VSTs, I had a bunch.
If you're gonna do it the normal way, I suggest looking up the Korg VSTs,. Those synths are EXTREMELY well known, especially the M1 which is basically a staple in every computer musician's arsenal as far as I've seen.
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>>3960041
>I suggest looking up the Korg VSTs,.
I assume outside of pirating that's going to be one of the paid kind?
but thank you that makes sense. I saw reaper had a basic midi piano but it felt like as I said, I was missing the full context of how people do this. I'll take a look at those vsts. what you made up above there sounds really good, and makes me tempted to try out sunvox, but I have this feeling that I should spend some time getting a grasp of what I'm looking at and dealing with here before making my own instruments.
Thank you anon.
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>>3959695
>if this does indeed take place in the same universe as Rubyquest,
Rubyquest is based on an Animal Crossing parody, and there are humans in animal crossing. There could be humans in the RQ and NQ setting.
>Red is basically fine.
He's like doctor Frankenstein. He has good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with those, and he had plenty of chances to turn back. He knew where the cure came from and saw how it was affecting people. He even tried to cover up the first couple murders so the research could continue. It was only once people started turning into zombies that he had second thoughts.
>nothing Santiago does is ever really that bad,
I can understand not wanting to show an on screen rape. But I think that he could have done more to show Santiago being a psycho. He did listen to Anna die like some kind of psychopathic voyeur, but maybe they could have thrown something in about him "having fun" with another girl who's dead now. I don't think they're non-sequiturs though. His philosophy is basically "nothing matters, we're all doomed, just have fun while you can" and rape lines up with that. The hotel kills both good and bad people alike when it wants, so there's no point in his eyes to bother with morality if you're in hell either way. And for what its worth, he doesn't seem to like rape specifically so much as he doesn't care about consent. His conversations with Nan seem to be him trying to convince her to have a "good time" with him willingly before she inevitably dies.
>I hope Nan takes good care of him.
Can she? Who's kid is he? Does he even know?
>Though it does seem weirdly centric around Nan
Makes sense to me, her being the scape goat and all
>Just getting a full, clean-slate do over on your life, complete with having a loving family?
Sounds horrible
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>>3960052
That's pretty funny. I downloaded reaper instead of FL because when I went searching for FL, the first 6 links I found all had comments "absolutely avoid downloading this one" so I just said "oh whatever fuck this".
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>>3960052
Technically he wasn't really a professional at that point, just a hobbyist dicking around, which is exactly the point in your career where you just pirate and steal shit until something clicks. The Newgrounds stage of your career, if you will.
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>>3959695
>how did Henry actually write a letter to have Nan come in and fix the electrical socket?
A mailman I assume
>so does it function normally as a hotel outside of being a weird evil roach-motel
I think so. Sorta like Silent Hill.
>wow, we literally know jack shit about Nan, huh?
I think who Nan is has changed multiple times due to the hotel's meddling with time.
A lot of the problems in clarity come from the improvisational writing style. I think this kind of grand mysery really doesn't it suit itself to that.
>Shouldn't there have been missing persons reports
I imagine Nan wouldn't have cared to read about them if there were. Hell maybe the hotel doesn't even remove people from the original timeline, it just creates another instance of them like multiversal time travel.
>so it's not like the retroactive effect was in play before then.
Who says that? Maybe its been fucking with the timeline for millenia in some form or another.
>Henry was really only a major threat when he was armed as the Pilgrim
Henry seems to have slasher movie strength and durability. In which case he's always dangerous, he just pretends not to be.
>We literally see Henry get taken out by surprise, so he's clearly susceptible to being caught off guard.
I think that was to appease the darkness. Its probably why he didn't get killed in the dark. The hotel liked him.
>did Nan actually lose that fuckin' check she got from the arcade?
The i don't think the check ever existed anymore. She's not even an electrician anymore from the looks of it. Then again, it may never have existed at all, or been some poor repairman's memory haphazardly shoved into Nan's head.
>why did they give the medicine to anyone at all if they figured it could mess with people's minds in such a way that would require that kind of containment?
They thought like Umbrella executives. They wanted to know what would happen, but needed to keep the place locked down in case it might end the world.
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>>3960011
>This is the part where I'd post that video of that guy smoking and yelling "oh nigga you gay" but it seems to have been scrubbed from the Internet
Weaver's the one who said the cure's given in a weirdly sexual way, even to guys, so blame them.
>Which panel?
Picrel.
Again, it's from that joke "part nein" of Rubyquest Weaver did.
>Just a wish that things could've continued as they were for a while longer or progressed in the direction I thought it was progressing in. I do find myself getting very attached to random nobody characters though.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
I know we've disagreed on stuff like that before, and I think I may have identified the exact detail that we have our split on when it comes to storytelling, but for now I'll just say that I do feel the same way, even entirely detached from other feelings, when characters or story elements just don't get the chance to shine like they could've.
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>>3960065
Ok, that's it for the long winded replies.
I hope to never need to do this kind of thing again. Sorry for all the thread clutter. If I ever do for some autistic reason have to make a reply like this again I'll put it in a rentry.
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>>3960020
>I feel like if I were making a pre rendered background horror game like that, I'd fuck with the player by having real time rendered objects that do nothing at all just to make the player think its going to do something. Then later have a threat be part of the pre rendered background so I can attack them when they think they're safe.
I actually feel like you could pull that off even in UT's art style, since there generally does seem to be some difference between objects of importance and objects of no note whatsoever.
I guess that's what Toby did with the Mad Dummy's introduction, but that was less of an art-style redirection thing.
>So in addition to fox paws you also like goat ass. Good to know.
The first thing I drew of Oldentale was Wiki's ass and thighs, I don't think this is really news by now.
>He's also a fox, albeit on the polar opposite spectrum of how one can be drawn from Red.
Apparently he's a fennec fox, specifically.
>Red Herring precognition
Yeah, I guess I was kinda right at first, huh?
I've been like that before, where I've been going through some piece of media and manage to correctly identify one of the major themes of whatever it is I'm going through, but end up disregarding it because it's too early for it to have as much weight to it.
So I'm still right, just a little early.
>You say that like Ceroba doesn't visit you in your dreams every night
First, how dare you.
Second, man I fuckin' wish, I haven't had one of those dreams in a while now.
>And just like with Noelle, he's got a point.
Does he?
Okay, with Noelle in particular, there's practically mind-control at play there, so I feel like it's not necessarily fair to say that she completely wants everything that's going on in the weird route because she's practically being indoctrinated.
And for Anna, I feel like her response to the situation she was in was less due to her genuinely wanting to die, and more due to her just feeling hopeless from the situation itself.
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>>3960072
Probably can't post it here, but the panel immediately before that one was Ruby picking up a note from a table, examining it, and seeing a drawing of Red wearing some, uh.
Okay, I actually don't know how to really describe it properly, but he looks like he's dressed as an old-timey prostitute.
The panel of Red's reaction is then followed by a panel of Ruby still looking at the drawing, and then getting an erection.
It was pretty funny.
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>>3960075
>so I feel like it's not necessarily fair to say that she completely wants everything that's going on in the weird route because she's practically being indoctrinated.
Hence why I said "kinda". Noelle on some level is enjoying all the horrible shit going on in the weird route. Even the "trance" effect is more an artifact of her than it is an artifact of the ring. She's tends to freeze up and go into a trance anyways (freezer dialogue) and has a thing for pain. She also is used to being bossed around, and likes Kris. The "rape" (its not literally, but is an obvious allegory) is something she's likely wanted for years. She's had feelings for Kris and a masochistic streak for a long time, and we know from her lines about Susie that she wants to be dominated.
So she's not a innocent little lamb being forced to do these things. She's a nice girl with a dark side being seduced into being a killer and a psycho.
The similarity here is that Anna wants to die because of her guilt and this place gave her what she wanted. Its likely the reason it took her in to begin with. Her unstable mental state made her easy pickings for the hotel's manipulation. The same Noelle's degenerate tendencies made her the perfect target for (you).
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>>3960024
>I don't know where it went after completing the story. I suspect Weaver didn't either.
I guess that's just a natural consequence of this kind of "improvisational" storytelling at the end of the day.
>I'd like to see that post and hear your thoughts
I guess I already kinda blew my load on that in the document itself, but [picrel] is the post in question if you're still curious.
Screenshotted, because you need a tumblr account to actually see Weaver's account, and I can't imagine you have one of those.
>Personally I like the time travel answer the best. It explains why everything is so different after the hotel is destroyed. Its influence was purged from the timeline, causing major changes to the present.
I guess, but there are clearly still lingering effects of everything that's happened, like that note we see at the end, so I don't think the timeline's been completely scrubbed of its influence either.
>Maybe Nan's origin story kept changing because of all the alterations to the timeline, which is where all these conflicting Nancys come from. However the hotel exists independent of time, so all the Nans get mixed together into this mosaic Nan upon entering.
So I guess that means I was right with my Marathon Infinity comparison too, huh.
That game's got a lot of weird parallels to things that get brought up in these threads.
>That does seem to be the case though. She's basically the Messiah for this story.
Seems like, yeah.
>I'm more curious how he's so strong and tough. Its almost unnatural
I guess we can chalk that up to the hotel or the entity giving him some kind of buff for as long as he keeps serving its desires. The hotel seems to freak the hell out when he's killed, so I guess he was part of that balance Santiago seemed to be alluding to.I very nearly typed "Red" when I typed out Santiago's name just now.
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>>3960035
>Who?
Venture Bros. character.
Basically, a character who (mostly) does good things that help our protagonists, but is also said to have done some very bad sex things in the past.
Sergeant Hatred is easily worse than Santiago though, even if we assume that whatever Santiago did is *exactly* as bad as it's implied to be.
Don't take this as a real in-depth comparison here.
>I think its just weaver writing by the seat of his pants and having to deal with the rogue element of anon decisions
Yeah, I guess that's fair.
To try and tie this back into something resembling on-topic discussion, I kinda wonder if Toby's writing style will prove to actually be better than the quest-style of writing for stories like this.
I feel like in terms of how DR is released on how it seems to loosely acknowledge its audience at times, you could make some decently solid comparisons between it and these older sorts of stories.
Toby has however stated that DR is building up to an ending that he literally saw in a fever dream, so there is the lingering possibility that this could all go completely, catastrophically wrong if it turns out that fever dream only really clicked for him.
So I guess we'll see.
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>>3960085
I read that as him being blissfully ignorant and innocent of how human affection works back in 2013. Especially considering the kind of smut he draws these days.
Seriously look at his current art and all the "psychopathic monster girl wants to fuck torture and eat you" art he has. He just didn't know ball back then.
I can understand his point though. I don't think he was calling them bad people so much as erratic and dangerous crazy people. Red may be mostly harmless, but that may just have been luck. The cure seems to make people violent and play up their primal urges in addition to slowly driving them mad. So Red was probably very capable of doing terrible things to people if provoked. Both Red and Santiago could kill you and might for no real reason beyond being crazy if you just happen to be particularly unlucky.
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>>3960050
>Rubyquest is based on an Animal Crossing parody, and there are humans in animal crossing. There could be humans in the RQ and NQ setting.
I get that, but I feel like it's weird to suddenly mention humans when no one we ever see on screen is really solidly human.
>He's like doctor Frankenstein. He has good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with those, and he had plenty of chances to turn back.
Yeah, but he's still not like, a monster or anything, or even that far past being morally grey.
Like I said, he's actually pretty noble for most of what he's doing, he was just very misguided, and also being partially influenced by an elder god, so you know, that might've clouded his judgement.
Hey, someone who wants to do good things being manipulated into unintentional acts of suffering by a force beyond what they can understand, how suddenly on-topic!
>His philosophy is basically "nothing matters, we're all doomed, just have fun while you can" and rape lines up with that.
Yes, but the problem is that while he *says* that's the ideology he abides by, very little of what he does actually seems to line up with that.
Like, he gets the drop on Nan when he first meets her, but he doesn't actually do anything other than threatening her for information about who she is and why she's here, and given the situation, that's hardly unreasonable.
He says he just does what he wants, but that all very conveniently translates to him either being pretty straightforwardly helpful to our protagonists, or otherwise mostly staying out of their way, so it's hard for me to really see him as the twisted fuckin' cycle-path Weaver wants him to come off as when he isn't actually being shown to do anything that's that bad.
>Can she? Who's kid is he? Does he even know?
Weaver drew Nan and Santiago getting ice cream and generally having peaceful lives after the events of the comic, so I guess he's her kid now.
Which is fine, really. His parents didn't sound all that great anyway.
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>>3960050
>Makes sense to me, her being the scape goat and all
...I don't like how feasible it is for that to be the explanation for all this.
>Sounds horrible
I can't tell if that's sarcasm on your part, but honestly, fair, time travel like that usually doesn't pan out too well, especially depending on what your actual level of control over the events in your life is/was.
Huh, we're just bumping into all kinds of themes today, aren't we?
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>>3960085
>, like that note we see at the end,
It disintegrated, so I think that was meant to represent its influence being completely purged
>So I guess that means I was right with my Marathon Infinity comparison
Does Marathon do that? I was personally thinking of The Big O when writing that with how it has canon retcons and continuity errors involving the main character explained in a similar way.
>I guess we can chalk that up to the hotel or the entity giving him some kind of buff for as long as he keeps serving its desires.
I wonder if the hotel slowly morphs people into monsters based on their mental state, or at least if Weaver originally meant for it to do that. We see Santiago look kinda monstrous when he shuffles off into the dark, and we see the Marshal look a bit monstery when he lashes out at Pablo.
> I kinda wonder if Toby's writing style will prove to actually be better than the quest-style of writing for stories like this.
Toby seems to do a lot of improvisational writing himself, and of course even planned stuff can change over time. I think he does have a few if those issues himself with his writing. Little bits here and there that really seem like they were meant to go elsewhere but didn't for whatever reason.
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>>3960065
>The i don't think the check ever existed anymore. She's not even an electrician anymore from the looks of it.
She still has the overalls apparently, so that's still real.
Has she just been plopped into a new timeline with no knowledge of what things are actually like here?
Man, that fuckin' sucks.
Also, hey, another parallel.
Yeah, I guess you were right about the Deltarune theme connections, good on you.
I mean, at least if all that stuff about Sans ends up being right, which seems like it's the case, but maybe Toby'll bend over backwards just to make us all wrong about that, if he's a way bigger hack than we ever thought possible.
As for all the rest of that, I fuckin' guess.
I feel like there are just a lot of things in both of these stories that require some pretty heavy assumptions on the reader's parts, and maybe that was intentional, so maybe me thinking about them like this is just a natural consequence of reading these stories like this as opposed to actually having been in the threads at the time they were written.
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>>3960068
I feel like might just turn into us flinging overtly long rentries at each other instead of just being able to reply like normal people.
Well, this is almost certainly the last time this'll have to happen, unless you end up digging up another piece of ancient history for me to go through to satisfy your desire to be a literature teacher or something, so I don't think it'll be an issue again anytime soon.
And we're already past the bump limit anyway, so it's not like it matters too hard to begin with.
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>>3960093
>but I feel like it's weird to suddenly mention humans when no one we ever see on screen is really solidly human.
Humans are pretty rare in AC. There's only ever 1 per village. Maybe the hotel just wasn't interested in taking the town mayor because his head was on too straight. And the metal glen, maybe the administrator giving Bella her orders was the one human there, and it was his AC village.
>Yes, but the problem is that while he *says* that's the ideology he abides by, very little of what he does actually seems to line up with that.
I think his first goal is survival for the sake of being free, and his second gial is enjoying himself. I think he actually doesn't like rape and would rather have consensual sex with Nan, hence why he tries to sell her on his way of thinking and reacts warmly when she buys in to it.
I agree he has a show don't tell problem though.
>...I don't like how feasible it is for that to be the explanation for all this.
Its not just feasible, its canon. That scene with the journal where the padre singles out Nan and that bible passage being the one about the levites sacrificing a pure unblemished and free from sin lady goat pretty heavily imply that Nan is the scape goat here. Or at least that the padre views her that way. Keep in mind this is a biblical scape goat I'm referring to, where the Levites would get a lady goat, have all the sin of the Israelite people go into her, then slaughter and burn her to destroy the sin.
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>>3960094
>I can't tell if that's sarcasm on your part,
Its not. I wouldn't be able to live my life over again. Its sorta like how Flowey isn't willing to go through all of the game again, so he erases his own memories when you reset.
And I just thought of this, but maybe the padre was the single human in the Spanish mission.
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>>3960082
I guess, but I do also feel like it's worth pointing out that both Noelle and Anna still both put up some resistance towards what was/is happening to them, so it's not like there were both willing to just completely give themselves over to their respective corruptions, even if a part of them wanted that.
It's like that old metaphor or whatever for suicidal people, where if you throw a suicidal man into a lake, he panics and tries to swim to safety, because it's only *a part* of him that wants to die, not himself as a whole.
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>>3960091
>Both Red and Santiago could kill you and might for no real reason beyond being crazy if you just happen to be particularly unlucky.
I guess, but that really feels more like a product of the circumstances both of them were in, rather than a real indictment of who they were as people.
And really, when taking an honest look at the circumstances they found themselves in, I have a hard time describing either of them as actually being *that far* off the deep end, because frankly, most people would probably respond way worse to being in either Red or Santiago's situation, so they were both pretty reserved about their actions for the most part.
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>>3960097
>She still has the overalls apparently, so that's still real.
Does she? It looked like she was wearing a dress to me.
>Has she just been plopped into a new timeline with no knowledge of what things are actually like here?
Maybe, idk
You know I think Nan is a much better goat than Toriel. I think I still like my OC Wiki more though.
Now this has me thinking about if Wiki were in that hotel. Could make for some fun gags, like her being head and shoulders taller than the Pilgrim. Or her having ready access to fire magic.
Maybe I should draw her and Nan together.
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>>3960111
I'm just saying I don't think he was talking about the quality of their character, just how they were on screen when everyone was owooga'ing over them.
>>3960107
Anna definitely wanted it a lot less than Noelle did, which is why she still screamed and struggled. Noelle never really even says a hard no, just a "wait, slow down, I'm not sure". She just goes from half hearted and dragging her feet to eager participation.
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>>3960095
>It disintegrated, so I think that was meant to represent its influence being completely purged
I thought it just blew away into the wind or something.
>Does Marathon do that?
Marathon does a lot.
Like, a lot. I can't honestly explain everything Marathon does in its story, because that would genuinely take up the entire rest of this thread, so play the games, go to the MBO story page, or I guess watch Mandaloregaming's videos on them if you want to know the specifics, but broadly speaking the Marathon trilogy has a lot of themes of self-actualization and development in spite of extremely oppressive conditions, among a lot of other things.
For reference, that thing I said about "the waves" comes from a short story hidden in a secret terminal in an early level of Marathon that remained undiscovered for over *twenty years*, and is massively important for the themes present in the entire trilogy, as well as basically every game Bungie ever made.
It's also pretty shockingly relevant to the themes present in UTDR, but I'll let you form your own opinions on that.
There's a video showing the terminal and its contents off on youtube, if you don't feel like jumping through hoops to go and see it yourself.
>We see Santiago look kinda monstrous when he shuffles off into the dark, and we see the Marshal look a bit monstery when he lashes out at Pablo.
So maybe the hotel changes how people look/function to suit its own purposes in general then?
Like it's trying to get you to act a certain way by changing how you see the people around, or trying to provoke you into distrusting them?
That's probably about right.
>I think he does have a few if those issues himself with his writing. Little bits here and there that really seem like they were meant to go elsewhere but didn't for whatever reason.
If nothing else, DR is still unfinished, so it's possible old and seemingly dropped plot-threads might have the chance to come back into play at some point before the close.
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>>3960121
Oh no, we discussed old quests too close to the sun and manifested one in the thread.
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>>3960105
>Maybe the hotel just wasn't interested in taking the town mayor because his head was on too straight. And the metal glen, maybe the administrator giving Bella her orders was the one human there, and it was his AC village.
I don't know if I like this literal interpretation that much, but I'm too tired to argue with it, sure.
>I agree he has a show don't tell problem though.
Yeah, I feel like Weaver should've addressed that if he wanted people to see him the same way he apparently did.
>Its not just feasible, its canon.
I feel like I've just been on the receiving end of a very long-winded and underwhelming pun.
What's worse is that that's actually kinda funny.
Dammit.
>the Levites would get a lady goat, have all the sin of the Israelite people go into her, then slaughter and burn her to destroy the sin.
Man, that's mean.
I'm not a vegan or anything, I eat meat, but I don't like animals being treated like that, even just normal, actual animals.
Just feels needlessly cruel to me.
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There's clearly something catching the light by the water. She should be able to see it.
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>And I just thought of this, but maybe the padre was the single human in the Spanish mission.
Well, his face doesn't seem very animalistic when we see it, so you could be right.
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>Does she? It looked like she was wearing a dress to me.
Pretty sure, the comic says she feels someone tugging at her overalls just before she looks down and sees little Santiago.
>You know I think Nan is a much better goat than Toriel.
Oh yeah, easily.
You wanna see some of those drawing Weaver did of her being a good parent?
She's far and away better than Toriel.
>I think I still like my OC Wiki more though.
Well yeah, she's your OC, of course you like her more.
I think I like Nan more than Wiki myself though, but maybe that's just because I still don't know all that much about Wiki.
Yes, I see the irony in that.Also Nan's fatter and I like that. More to play with.
>Maybe I should draw her and Nan together.
Hell yeah, that'd be pretty cool to see.
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>>3960119
> so it's possible old and seemingly dropped plot-threads might have the chance to come back into play at some point before the close.
Yeah, but you can still tell when an old plot thread is being recycled into something new. It always feels a little off.
>So maybe the hotel changes how people look/function to suit its own purposes in general then?
I think it preys on mental weaknesses to get what it wants. It probably tries to drive people mad, then their weakened mental state, it gains control over their physical forms. Like it wanted to use the marshal's anger and unsympathetic nature to turn him into a rampaging rage monster. Or it wanted to turn Santiago into this stalker in the dark, and it used his existing instability to do it. Henry it made into a slasher because he was already a violent and two faced man. The various non-descript darkness creatures are probably prior victims.
>I feel like I've just been on the receiving end of a very long-winded and underwhelming pun.
I was being very literal, no pun at all. Even the messianic stuff connected to Nan still ties back to her being a literal scape goat, because Christ was the final scapegoat. He took on the sins of the world and died with them.
Makes me wonder if the darkness was using the padre's views of Christianity to goad him into performing a ritual that would give it a foothold on Earth.
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>>3960128
>You wanna see some of those drawing Weaver did of her being a good parent?
Yes
It just occurred to me how awkward it would be knowing a person a grown man who tried to fuck you, then having to raise him as a small child with both of your memories of your old lives still intact. It also occurs to me how similar this premise is to a concept you really, really hate from these threads.
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>>3960117
>I'm just saying I don't think he was talking about the quality of their character, just how they were on screen when everyone was owooga'ing over them.
Well I don't know what he expected when he was making those quests on fuckin' 4chan, of course people are gonna be salivating over every character they lay their eyes on.
Also, kinda his fault for making them some of the more fleshed-out characters in their respective stories, of course people were going to be drawn to them in particular.
>She just goes from half hearted and dragging her feet to eager participation.
She still seems to have a bit more resistance in her in chapter 4, she's just enthralled before she can really put up a fight against it.
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>>3960133
Here's a few of them.
Not in chronological order of when they were made or posted, I couldn't be bothered to figure that out.
All SFW, naturally.
https://files.catbox.moe/pzvoxk.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7ko5.png
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>It also occurs to me how similar this premise is to a concept you really, really hate from these threads.
Yes, I mentioned that.
As I stated, the only reason I accept this is because most of what Santiago did wasn't that bad, and largely wasn't his fault either, and because there's actually time travel at play here that seemingly undid most if not all of the harm he did, while that other situation has someone who willingly massacred nearly a hundred people just get away scot-free with no consequences for their actions, and without undoing them either.
No, I don't wish to discuss that further.
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>>3960130
>Yeah, but you can still tell when an old plot thread is being recycled into something new. It always feels a little off.
True, but that can be better than the plot thread just being forgotten entirely, as long as it's still executed well enough.
>I think it preys on mental weaknesses to get what it wants. It probably tries to drive people mad, then their weakened mental state, it gains control over their physical forms.
Yeah, that seems to be the case.
Wonder why it never made Henry look visually monstrous, though maybe that's because he was already spiritually a monster.
Themes and such.
>I was being very literal, no pun at all.
I know, but having the scapegoat be a literal goat just feels like one of the puns, just a real groaner.
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>>3960139
>No, I don't wish to discuss that further.
nta, and I'm going to respect that, but understand you make it very difficult laying that out, for me to not want to add thoughts of my own. I'm going to actively put the bottle down, but it's like you just walked into the bar and called me "buddy".
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>>3960139
Were these drawn by Weaver, becasuse I really don't like off model Nan. I know she's canonically on he bigger side, but it just looks weird seeing her drawn like that. That one on model drawing is nice though.
Also, yeah I see the difference, I just thought it was a funny similarity.
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>>3960145
If it's any better of a reason for you not to press this, I happen to have some very personal thoughts and opinions on the topic of mentally unwell children being responsible for bad things they did while not in their right mind, and there is literally nothing you can say or do that will make me change my mind on those things.
Is that good enough for you to let me put the bottle away forever, or is this gonna be another one of those things I just have to put up with repeatedly?
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>>3960148
All of them, yes.
Over the course of multiple years, hence the style differences, but they were indeed all done by Weaver.
I like the one of Santiago yelling about not being a kid while Nan dresses him for school, that's funny.
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>>3960152
Anon, I hate every word you just wrote, and I was suggesting you give less details if you want to avoid argument on this particular matter rather than more. We've done well to avoid this topic, and your words there are almost like baiting me further into the argument when I'm actively trying to not go deeper. It's like saying "I'm going to get to state my opinions on this but if you give your opinions to the contrary it's going to be an argument".
I'm even giving the courtesy of not going into detail on my thoughts so that we can avoid going deeper on this one topic of all things.
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>>3960161
no I get the point. I'm saying your method of trying to avoid the topic had the opposite effect, and I had to make a willpower save to fight the compulsory effect your words had.
I've passed my willpower save 2 posts ago and am not going to do it.
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>>3960142
>Wonder why it never made Henry look visually monstrous
it needed him to blend in. It already had more than enough regular monsters. Besides, it gave him that horse skull.
>I know, but having the scapegoat be a literal goat just feels like one of the puns, just a real groaner.
Blame Weaver then.
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Eh, fair enough.
I guess he did make Nan a bit *too* large for my tastes in some of them.
He did also make an NSFW image of Santiago, grown up, hanging out naked with one of the characters from Divequest, and texting Nan about it, only for Nan to reply with "grounded".
I also thought that was funny.
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>>3960167
>it needed him to blend in. It already had more than enough regular monsters. Besides, it gave him that horse skull.
Yeah, I guess.
>Blame Weaver then.
I know, I do.
But also I blame you for making me aware of this.
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>>3960138
I'd recommend it, I think it went to some interesting places.
It's also fairly short, so you could pretty reasonably read it all in a handful of hours.
For non-immediately UTDR related things though, I still recommend Problem Sleuth, the Midnight Crew intermission in Homestuck, and of course, Boxdog, but I won't be asking you for book reports on them or anything, I just think you might enjoy them.
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>>3960174
if it's any consolation, due to personal reasons, your words also have an affect on me, so know that the other side of the argument being avoided has been a consistent courtesy just as much on this end as it has yours.
Someone said it in the threads before but stand/autism users are drawn to eachother. It's only through sheer willpower that we've found fragments of common ground. Our power is thus, commendable.
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>>3960178
>if it's any consolation, due to personal reasons, your words also have an affect on me
Based on your initial response to my earlier post, I'm going to assume that the effect you're feeling is "contempt", and move on for now.
I appreciate you being willing to leave this alone as I asked, thank you.
I'm gonna get back to other stuff for a bit now, I wanna finish the sketch of my Quetzali drawing tonight and I have such a bad migraine that I'm having trouble not wobbling a bit as I stand, so I better get a move on.
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>>3960185
I could see that, yeah.
So he's just a weirdly old-timey kid for now.
It reminds me of how my dad had this old laserdisc with Tex Avery cartoons on it, and I would watch that all the time when I was a kid, thus leading to my sense of humor being almost entirely out of sync with other people my age.
Really though, as long as he doesn't say anything *too* specific that he can't pass off as just being something he read about or got told by a family member or something, he should be fine.
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>>3960186
>I'm going to assume that the effect you're feeling is "contempt", and move on for now.
I have no hate for you anon. The world is made of different people, and that's just the way it goes.
I hope your migraine goes away.
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>>3960196
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>>3960189
I'm saying what if he does accidentally make really specific statements, or keeps getting his birthday wrong. Or imagine him acting *very* maturer for a child his age.
Or imagine him watching a true crime show with his modern gf, and the criminal on the show is the new timeline version of Henry, who killed some people in the 40s, and he keeps lambasting the show for its inaccuracies as if he personally knew the guy,
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Well, I dunno if he'd have memories of the new timeline like that, since he seems to only have memories of the old timeline, but maybe he could play it off as a joke.
Or he just wouldn't acknowledge it when pressed about it, that works too.
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I mean he'd know Henry from how he was inside the mansison, and could probably deduce from that and whatever he may have said to him while there what he was like before entering. And if Henry isn't actually all that important, he may not be too different in this timeline, especially if he's on TV for killing someone. Plus Santiago knows the game himself, so he'd probably laugh at a true crime show romanticizing his psychology and actions.
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>>3960209
I don't know if Henry would necessarily be a serial killer or anything outside the context of the hotel, he really only seemed to be doing that because he thought it would earn him his freedom, he doesn't seem to actually enjoy killing in and of itself.
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You ask the stranger if he could walk over to that pendant, pick it up, and read it for you.
He says reading is for nerds
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>>3960213
He's probably gonna kill his wife whenever he gets his hands on her. That flashback Nan had of the abusive husban lines up pretty close with Henry's wife and kids left him motivation. Maybe in this timeline instead of getting his face caved in by the blunt end of an axe, he actually killed his wife, then the kids.
To get things more on topic, how do you think the Nanquest characters would interact with the Deltarune or fangame characters? Any characters you think would be particularly interesting if thrown into the events of Nanquest?
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>That flashback Nan had of the abusive husban lines up pretty close with Henry's wife and kids left him motivation.
Fuck, is that what that was?
I thought there was a connection, but I never really pieced it together myself.
I kinda figured Henry's motivation was him wanting to get out of the hotel just so he could see his family again, and being driven to do terrible things as a result, making him a tragic character. He even said he tried contacting them via a letter at one point when he talked about how he lured Nan to the hotel.
Actually, wait, if he just wanted to kill them or something, couldn't he have just lured *them* into the hotel instead of Nan?
Wouldn't that also satisfy the idea he had that he needed to sacrifice someone pure so that he could go free?
>To get things more on topic, how do you think the Nanquest characters would interact with the Deltarune or fangame characters? Any characters you think would be particularly interesting if thrown into the events of Nanquest?
Depends on the character.
I think I could see someone like Racter getting along with the Nanquest cast mostly fine, but I also don't see him being particularly useful to them either, unless he's got a hidden heroic side to him.
I probably also don't see him making it out alive, either, since most of the characters who lasted a while in Nanquest were the ones who were capable of taking care of themselves, or were good at sticking to other people who could cover them.
I think he'd likely end up getting axed after being separated from the main group, like Anna was.
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Quick, ask that freefalling nice person to instant transmission you and him to safety!
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>>3960229
>Actually, wait, if he just wanted to kill them or something, couldn't he have just lured *them* into the hotel instead of Nan?
He wanted them back, but he's a violent and irrational person, so when they inevitably refused him, he'd probably kill them. I think he's hoping the darkness will use its magic to make them love him again. (funny, another similarity.)
Also I think Nan specifically is the one the hotel wants. That's why she has memories referring to her by name that go throughout its history, and even before back to the ancient indian days. Hell, this is just a tangent, but she may *be* Henry's wife, and he simply forgot her face due to memory shenanigans. Or maybe she was in one of the many timelines the hotel has created.
>I think I could see someone like Racter getting along with the Nanquest cast mostly fine, but I also don't see him being particularly useful to them either, unless he's got a hidden heroic side to him.
This heavily hinges on whether or not (you) are present. If (you) are, now Racter has his own eldritch god backing (or rather using) him, and the whole thing becomes a lovecraftian proxy war. In addition to heavily affecting his character.
If not, Racter is surprisingly good at preserving himself, and his unassuming appearance meanns that people are apt to forget or pay little attention to him. I could see him evading Henry or the Padre for quite a while simply by being low on the priority list and having healthy sense of jumpyness. Plus he has magic, even if it is weak, which gives him a permanent source of light.
I could see him evading Henry to the point that he gets genuinely mad. Racter would probably be distrustful of Henry early on since he's had to deal with his type (that's big guys who like to pick on those smaller than them, not serial killers) for most of his life. Then again, he'd probably be distrustful of just about everyone, except maybe people like Kim, Anna, or Nan.
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Oh I forgot to say this earlier. About him picking that Genesis song as the "credits theme", I agree its a weird choice. Personally, I think Hotel California is the de facto theme to Nanquest. It basically summarizes the premise of the game.
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It looks like that nice stranger also did a flip for some reason?
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Actually, listening to the song again while looking at the lyrics, I think it fits decently enough.
Hotel California would've been the obvious pick, but maybe that's why Weaver didn't choose it, it was *too* obvious, or something.
Plus, I think in terms of interpretations of the lyrics, Home by the Sea is probably much closer to being a rough description of the events of the comic, so it fits better here.
They're both good songs anyway, so I guess it doesn't really matter at the end of the day.Also, as an addendum to what you said earlier about me liking goat ass, while ass is very nice, if I'm being perfectly honest, I was thinking more about her belly than I was about her butt when I first wrote what I wrote in the document.
Anywho.
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>>3960261
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>>3960259
That's not *entirely* accurate...
I wouldn't turn that down though.
I can imagine jiggling and kneading a bigger Wiki's belly while she blushes a bit and looks off to the side, or just shoving my face in her tummy and falling asleep while she looks flustered.
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>>3960279
But could you convince her? Maybe you say she needs to eat more, she's looking a little skinny. You're just concerned about her health after all. Or maybe you'll just act dejected when she doesn't want to eat that cooking you worked so hard on.
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>>3960280
Sorry pal, she'll be jiggling as she walks by the time I'm through with her.
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>Maybe you say she needs to eat more, she's looking a little skinny. You're just concerned about her health after all.
Perhaps having a bit more meat on her bones would increase her HP, if there's more of her to have to get through.
>Or maybe you'll just act dejected when she doesn't want to eat that cooking you worked so hard on.
I'll be *so* sad if she doesn't eat the twelve cakes I just baked right now.
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>>3960285
Really, I was just saying before that my preference was for Nan rather than Wiki, but now that the idea of making Wiki fatter has been put out there, I'd be a fool to ignore such a thing.
I think I like Nan's personality a bit more than what I've seen of Wiki though, so there is still that, but I digress, the goats must be made large.
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oh don't worry, I'll have fallen behind long ago, encouraging her to keep running. She'll have no idea I ever passed out. I'll be sitting under a tree in the shade and just tell her that I'm sorry I didn't finish this time, having only recently regained consciousness. Then I'll tell her how awesome it is that I know someone who could complete a marathon.
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>>3960302
If I'm good at anything in this world, it's misdirection. She'll never know. I'll successfully intercept anyone inadvertently trying to tell her what happened to me. In all of my years, if there's one skill I've honed, it's keeping someones mind off inconvenient matters.
She'll be blushing from my praise of her running form.
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>>3960303
Ah, just imagine you successfully keeping Wiki from knowing whenever you get hurt, until the day you end up just a little more hurt than you can handle.
From Wiki's perspective, it's as if you simply vanished from her life, no history of injury or accidents that she can go off of, as no information ever makes its way back to her.
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why that sounds nice actually. If I was with a girl like wiki, I wouldn't stop trying to get to the point I could finish a marathon with her.
>>3960307
If I was actually injured, I'd have to let it be known. Simply pain can be ignored, but allowing injuries to stack up risks becoming a burden yourself when it was preventable.
While that image you've planted in my mind is equal measures both terrible and painful, My strategies would have to change if I was injured. My arsenal is great and deadly.
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Imagine if she did find out what heppened, but only after the fact. That you were hiding all of this from her, that she somehow never noticed it. Thinking about how, if she had just paid attention and seen the signs, she could have helped you. How you'd still be here with her if she hadn't neglected you so badly. Imagine Wiki crying herself to sleep thinking about how it was all her fault. Then swearing to never love again so she never hurts anyone else like she hurt you.
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what do you do when wiki starts to gain weight and begins asking questions
>why do you cook so much
>why do you order so much for me
>why do you eat so little despite cooking constantly
>why do you seem more into me than you were before
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>why do you cook so much
"Good to keep in practice and make sure the food we have doesn't go to waste."
>why do you order so much for me
"Just want to make sure you're eating right, is all."
>why do you eat so little despite cooking constantly
"Human metabolism."
>why do you seem more into me than you were before
"My heart beats stronger for you with each passing day, my love for you growing more and more as time goes on, until no being in history has ever been more smitten with another than I am for you, my darling Wiki."
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>Oh don't worry, I'll get to you later
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I will counter imagine. That I was being a stubborn fool of a man trying to keep up without causing her worry, and that I got hurt before it got fatal.
And while it brought me shame, it led not to death, but a long talk about trust. I will accept the burden of her tears but, I have invented a world in which I did not die!
The power to learn from my mistakes.
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>>3960336
Migraines can cause me to experience pain from different sensations based on which area of the brain they're affecting, and the one I've got right now is the kind that makes my brain throb when looking at light sources.
The only way for me to not trigger it would be to shut everything off and lie in bed with my eyes covered, and I don't wanna do that.
Even then, there'd just be the ambient pain anyway.
The only way out is through, I'm afraid.
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>is there really no medicine that can help dull the pain?
Tried some preventatives a few years back. One didn't seem to do anything, another gave me the worst migraine I ever had in my life that I had to endure for about eight hours.
>Don't painkillers work for this or you would need to take a lot too often for it to do anything?
I took an excedrin when I first woke up with the migraine, but it doesn't seem to have dulled it by much, and I can only take two of those within 24 hours before my liver explodes, apparently, so I'm waiting to take another one until I really need it.
I mostly just try and avoid the really bad migraines by maintaining a decent-ish sleep schedule, but sometimes that doesn't always pan out.
I'll be fine, I promise.
If I'm gonna hurt no matter what, I may as well get something done while I'm awake, as opposed to being in pain and unproductive.
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Thanks, I appreciate it.
I plan on lying down again in a little bit, today's just gonna be one of those days.
In the meantime, I'll press forward on delivering leaky snitties even if my brain is reduced to soup inside my own skull.
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>>3960351
After sketching out the bodies and proportions, I took a look at the entire thing and found the heads lacking for some reason. Realized that the eyes were off (and one of the heads were too wide which I now fixed). But now I just can't seem to be able to draw eyes that look good.
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I could try that, yeah. I'm actually drawing the pose from the full picture (which I can't share but would love to) so that's not the only thing I'll copy from it. Feels kinda cheap but you gotta do what you gotta do.
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My migraine shifted enough for me to finally complete the sketch for my drawing of Quetzali lactating.
I will now go to bed, imagining the comforts of various fox scrimblos until I fall asleep.
Goodnight anons.Also, Home by the Sea has a very nice fade-out at the end, real nice. Feels like it has a nice sense of finality to it. I think it does well as "end credits" music.
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>>3960532
ah, you're talking about actual DR news?
this is the fangame thread so people here discuss mainly fangame news instead of actual DR news (sometimes when toby does post news, it gets a mention here but not focused on)
at most you'll see fangame updates when there are those (but even those take some time to show up)
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>monster women are the nice ones, it's why I have to convince them to drain all of my blood and allow me to eat poison to show my love for them.
>you don't understand, if I'm not dying in agonizing pain how will she know that I love her?
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>monsters, with love in their heart, are distressed seeing the human they love so much be convinced that they have to go to such extents to show their love.
>It doesn't make them love the human any less by any means, but it makes them want to show you even more clearly that they love you, and that you don't need to impale yourself to earn the love.
>anon is explaining fervently that he needs to cut off his fingers for the honor of the family
>Scrimblo just walks forward and hugs the anon, running their fingers through his hair asking him to please let himself be loved
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Hello, /vrpg/. I have some insider information I think you guys will like... your favorite blue bird is gonna get furry illuminati'd tomorrow at 12 PM EST
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>>3960789
are her new sprites already done????
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>>3960886
they're a member of big bird
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Need bird very badly.
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>>3960888
A member of the Illuminati, here in our very own thread.
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>>3960890
i don't think the roba has that much izzat to begin with even, given her track record
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>>3960895
nice bird.
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>>3960894
Don't you insult my beloved 'roba.
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>>3960899
yes sir sorry sir all glory to roba
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>>3960902
to an extent, we're still a somewhat secret community, it's just that it's self regulating. It's good to see passionate people find their way here, and for "the weak" to be filtered out by the antibodies (some of the off the wall discussion we have here).
The idea of the dev anons hard work being recognized is a good thought.
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I've been a bit annoyed at how people use suicide attempts or accidents as a premise to get a human underground, yet I'm getting into the same fallback.
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>>3960908
undertale itself asks the question "why did you climb a mountain no one returns from" with at least some suggestion that it wasn't a happy answer. It makes sense as a reason to use from there, though at the very least, Yellow and naranja both go in other directions.
Think about what the soul color is and why that soul would be doing it maybe
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>>3960908
I think you could come up with alternative explanations, but it still usually comes back to being something suicidally dangerous at the end of the day.
I remember proposing the idea of a mining expedition accidentally passing through the barrier while underground once, kinda surprised I've never seen that one tossed around before.
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>>3960908
Are you writing a fanfic? In any case, like the other anon said there are alternatives, usually related to the human's soul trait, Clover goes to the underground to find the 5 missing kids while Val goes because he wants to fight the monsters, another common idea I've seen is that the perseverance soul went to Mt. Ebott to see if the monsters really existed/document the monsters history.
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>>3960921
I once saw a map someone made proposing that Mt.Ebott existed somewhere in eastern europe, and someone suggested that some of the fallen humans were refugees trying to flee WW2.
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>>3960928
Yeah, could be, but there's nothing wrong with putting a bit more in there too.
I've actually seen someone kinda do what you're talking about with Frisk, but they actually had a pretty good reason for running away in the comic I saw.
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Haven't gotten back to it just yet, have some things I need to do before I can finish this off tonight, but how do you guys feel about this face for Quetzali?
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>>3960937
I think its a perspective issue. She's got that side snoot issue, only half of her face is misaligned instead of just the snoot. Also head shape is a bit weird for a snake, its looks like you just gave her a generic anthro head then added snake lips instead of doing a proper snake head. That second part might be intentional though, if it is, that's just a difference if opinion.
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>>3960941
>I think its a perspective issue. She's got that side snoot issue, only half of her face is misaligned instead of just the snoot.
Hm, I'll see if I can mess with it further to try and fix it, but honestly I'm not sure I entirely see the perspective issue on this one.
>Also head shape is a bit weird for a snake, its looks like you just gave her a generic anthro head then added snake lips instead of doing a proper snake head. That second part might be intentional though, if it is, that's just a difference if opinion.
Fair.
In my own defense, I've primarily been referencing her actual sprites, since her head's been drawn pretty wildly differently by each artist who's drawn her, so it's not like I can really reference any of those for this.
Thanks for the detailed feedback.
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>>3960943
>y I'm not sure I entirely see the perspective issue on this one.
To give you an idea of what I mean. What she has going on is like a less extreme version of what that one Picasso painting has going on with the girl's face.
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idea: evil human that climbs mt. ebott to genoslide everyone but just never finds a good time or opportunity to so they just silently seethe in red text at every save point. They get this whole cast of characters that they make positive impacts on all completely by mistake until they make it to asgore and die without killing any monsters
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>>3960957
does having terrible thoughts but never acting upon them make you a bad person? Imagine them limping away only to be found by their friends before dying, and confessing that they were a bad person.
Maybe one of them would tell them before the end that they weren't so bad a person in their eyes.
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>>3960958
Having bad intentions makes you a bad person. The way that anon described it, it sounds like a comedy of errors where a genuinely evil psychopath keeps accidentally saving the day and helping people, and the monsters are too stupid to understand his outward contempt towards them.
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>>3960969
I think making a list would best, editing the files would mean DRYanon would have to download them and he might have already made changes to the files on his end, Btw, are you the same anon who corrected the grammar mistakes in Naranja?
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>>3960943
>Also head shape is a bit weird for a snake, its looks like you just gave her a generic anthro head then added snake lips instead of doing a proper snake head
Can't blame the drawanon when I pretty much did the same thing with her in game, it's why I gave her the mask in the first place.
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>>3960970
Actions are the surest sign of someone's character. Someone who has tried and failed to be evil can not have a heart as blackened as someone who has managed evil. I'd give them the same chance I give everyone else.
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>>3960981
>but the gun jams,
that's a little different than
>never finds a good time or opportunity
first of all.
second of all, both of what you described are terrible, but actually committing the deed changes you more than attempting it and failing. There are psychological barriers that are being blocked vs denied in one scenario or the other. In the first, he's a piece of shit, but he's never experienced killing someone. Doing it again is going to require building up the nerve much the same as the first time, and possibly more due to the absurdity of the event that stopped him.
In the second event, doing it again would be easier, they have "properly" experienced killing. Their deeds have come to fruition. The second person is now strictly speaking, more dangerous to those around him.
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>>3960983
>that's a little different than
It's still them intending to do something terrible and being prevented by circumstance rather than them actively deciding against it.
>but actually committing the deed changes you more than attempting it and failing.
This was about intention before, not just the deeds themselves.
In the scenario I described, the only difference between the two people is that one of them has a worse gun, but up until they pulled the trigger, they were exactly the same person, with exactly the same intention, to kill an innocent being in cold blood for no reason.
Wanting to commit an act of evil but being prevented from doing so doesn't make that person not evil, it just makes them incompetent to act on their desires as they wish to.
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>>3960982
It looks pretty accurate to the in game sprite, only issues I say are, her smile being smaller/showing less of her teeth, but that's more of an stylization thing than anything, and there is the perspective problem as well (which I too suffer from) but you seem to have already adressed it.
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>>3960986
>In the scenario I described
and the situation you described is much more extreme than the scenario this all stemmed from. Someone not doing something out of "not finding the time" is a lot different than guns failing to go off when they try to commit murder.
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>>3960993
no, you had your opportunity and fate stepped in the way. it was a good opportunity, the best it could possibly be to do something senselessly evil.
without an opportunity you can not act, but in this case action followed, it was just robbed of consequence.
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>>3960994
If the gun's jammed, then the opportunity wasn't good.
It's a mechanical failure of the firearm, not random probability, from an outside perspective the opportunity was always bad.
Same story for any similar failure, such as trying to stab someone only for them to unintentionally duck out of the way, it's not "fate stepping in the way", it's just happenstance.
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>>3960998
that's nonsense, and not what anyone would mean saying "never finds a good time or opportunity".
Stuff like that is like you're trying to single someone out but someone else always walks into the room, or they have a compulsion that makes them want to do the deed in a specific way and they can never get the events to line up quite right.
Especially when this is talking about Monsters and humans where you don't even need a real, functional weapon to hurt them.
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>>3961002
>that's nonsense, and not what anyone would mean saying "never finds a good time or opportunity".
If I take aim at a man's head with the intent to kill him, only for the firearm with which I intend to kill him to completely fail to operate, the opportunity has been prevented, and I am prevented from taking action.
For the purposes of the analogy, and for the scenario the original poster described, this is a valid argument, because the point of the original premise was a person who intends to inflict harm on others but is prevented from doing so by things entirely outside their own control.
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>>3961007
>but is prevented from doing so by things entirely outside their own control.
that's not what was said. it was
"never finds a good time or opportunity".
Finding a time or opportunity is within ones control. If you want something bad enough, you will find the opportunity, but failing the opportunity is different.
And again, a gun misfiring is not something that stands in the way of killing a monster in the first place. It's an analogy that is in direct opposition to how things work between monsters and humans. The gun misfired? slap them over the head with the gun, it will do just as much damage.
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>>3961014
no it's absolutely key to this because someone that can't find a chance to kill monsters, doesn't have the same level of evil in their heart as someone that does kill them.
murder and attempted murder are different crimes, and in a world where you can kill these people with a pop gun, someone who was unable to find the time to kill despite wanting to, is clearly not as evil as their thoughts depicted.
The analogy of the gun jamming was flawed from the start for this sitaution. Even a LV 1 human can kill a monster in 2 hits easily.
Their intention is clearly limited in absolute wickedness compared to the person that successfully killed.
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>>3961016
I'm scared.
I wish I'd saved more of the fake fangames I've encountered before I started really caring about fangames. I remember one that was absurd about going to some alter dark world with just kris and facing something that represented an old pagan god.
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>>3961015
Well now you're just ignoring even the original premise, since that made it clear that the human absolutely wants to kill the monsters, but can't somehow.
Also, not being able to fire a gun can still matter if the person you're trying to kill isn't exactly in front of you.
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>>3961018
I'm not ignoring the premise even if you want to spin it that way. He does want to, but there are degrees of want and degrees of effort. and it's not "can't somehow" but "never finds a good time or opportunity" which has unique connotations.
>Also, not being able to fire a gun can still matter if the person you're trying to kill isn't exactly in front of you.
for every single monster they meet underground? did each and every bullet fail and despite having saves they never went back and tried another method? Saves were already mentioned, so they clearly they could have wanted it more.
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>>3961026
That's understandable, and like 95% of them if not more are just flat out bad. The one I'm remembering probably was bad too, but I can't even think of what to search to find "spooky deltarune videos" since they're usually titled more mundanely right?
Maybe they included creepypasta as a word somewhere in its "hotwords" or something so that these videos pull up in searches for "spooky" content.
Speaking of, what the fuck is that "undertale yellow halloween hack" puppet show thing. I've never actually given it a full watch beyond "that is something that exists"
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>>3961024
You're the one going "for every single monster they meet underground?", as if I'm somehow insisting that this exact scenario is what would be happening every single time they tried to kill someone, as opposed to being a single example made for the sake of discussing the idea of intent, but sure.
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>>3961029
>You're the one going "for every single monster they meet underground?"
because it's relevant to my point anon.
Monsters are easy to kill for a human. So sure the gun jams once, but this is a human that has save powers, and yet somehow makes it through the entire underground without killing a single monsters while having intent to kill.
this indicates that even if they had intent to kill the monsters, it was limited intent. The reason an attempted killer and a killers hearts are different is because if things go wrong, the killer finds another solution, unless they are stopped. This person has save powers, they have the power to sidestep fate and fortune in order to accomplish what they want. Intent is not a simple yes/no, it's a scale of how badly do you want this thing, and they are no where near 100% "killing intent" if they have saves and are still not killing people due to shenanigans.
even the difference between 99 and 100 in this case are a world of difference that spell a completely different character out to us.
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>>3961032
>So sure the gun jams once, but this is a human that has save powers
This is Undertale, humans aren't necessarily prevented from using more than one kind of weapon, as evidenced by Frisk being able to equip all sorts of weapons throughout the underground.
>This person has save powers, they have the power to sidestep fate and fortune in order to accomplish what they want.
And now you're actually ignoring the original premise, because the original post explicitly states that this human also dies to Asgore, meaning they clearly aren't determined enough to *actually* accomplish whatever they want, and are still subject to being limited by outside forces.
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>>3961034
>This is Undertale, humans aren't necessarily prevented from using more than one kind of weapon,
that's exactly what I'm saying. if he was a 100 on the scale, shenanigans wouldn't be enough to stop him.
>meaning they clearly aren't determined enough to *actually* accomplish whatever they want,
again, exactly! I'm not ignoring the premise.
They don't want it enough, They clearly have to be the kind of person who would give up before trying all of their options and methods, and if this is a person that is giving up at killing a monster without killing even a single one, then that means that their willpower to commit this genoslide must be on the low end.
I'm not ignoring the premise, I'm arguing that the premise spells out a person who was never all that committed to accomplishing their goals in the first place.
removing saves from the equation altogether makes this a lot easier, makes what you're saying make a lot more sense, but someone who has access to saves, and supposedly wants to kill so very badly, but doesn't even score a single one? this is beyond incompetence. given enough tries, a fool can accomplish just about anything, but this person instead just gives up and moves on while seething between save points? Their ambition to kill couldn't even be called half hearted.
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>>3961030
that actually brought me in the right direction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=435XovwgMQ0&list=RD435XovwgMQ0&start_r adio=1
though I could have sworn the god wasn't Loki, but based on the labeling of the videos, there could have been other videos beyond that.
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>>3961040
The original premise also describes them as "seething" at their inability to kill anyone, so clearly they're more than half-hearted.
Having determination is a combination of physical and mental traits in UT's universe, it's not enough to just want something really badly, and it's also not enough to actually have the ability to manipulate time either.
Determination only lets you achieve anything that's actually possible according to the current world-state, so anything that's not possible remains locked off, you just have the power to explore anything that *is* possible.
For example, no matter how determined Frisk is, they can never kill Gerson in his shop. It's just not how the world works, no amount of determination will let them attack and kill him directly within his shop.
If the fallen human who was the focus of the original premise exists in such a world-state that no action of theirs is capable of directly bringing harm or death to a monster, that's just how it is, no amount of them wanting to kill someone is going to change that.
As such, you can have someone within the bounds of UT's universe who really, genuinely wants to kill monsters, but is rendered entirely incapable of doing so by the set of circumstances in which they find themself.
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>>3961048
>Determination only lets you achieve anything that's actually possible according to the current world-state, so anything that's not possible remains locked off,
that's a fan interpretation to be fair. Enough determination in one place seems to have the power to make dreams come true in a "literal" sense. whatever that means.
you're right about Gerson for instance, but then other rules get broken, so we don't know where the line is.
this is all based on the theory that your idea of what determination is correct, but gerson isn't the arbiter of rules of course, he just states one out loud. We can see evidently that the battle box isn't something we can move, it's a clear rule, until it suddenly isn't. falling to 0 hp results in death, until it suddenly doesn't and you can reject that rule. There are examples of things that are clear reliable rules of the world, until suddenly you can break the rule to your purpose.
so sure, if your theory is right, then we've got a scenario where even with the power of saves, this person can't kill absolutely anything no matter how hard he tries. not the simplest whimsun or even a froggit. if he gets into a battle with them, something is going to stop him, and if he loads his save, something else will stop him endlessly until he gives up and moves on.
Seems like a much more complicated explanation than the guy not actually having the patience or resolve to try all of his different options.
we've also never seen the world of undertale work "actively" to prevent simple actions. Did this person try loading at all and was stopped at every angle? that's a bit much for undertale. usually roadblocks are much simpler in that world like how papyrus doesn't engage you in a fight at all until a certain point, so you can't kill him before then, but all of the random monsters engage you in random battles as it goes with RPGs. It makes sense why you can't kill papyrus until then, until his proper moment, but random battles?
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>>3961057
>Seems like a much more complicated explanation than the guy not actually having the patience or resolve to try all of his different options.
I think that was kinda the point.
I'm pretty sure this whole idea was supposed to be a lot more "Scary Movie" in tone, rather than actually being a legitimate story about someone wanting to kill a bunch of people and being thwarted.
The original premise even said that the human would inadvertently help monsters throughout the underground while trying to be evil, I'm pretty sure this idea was never meant to be treated that seriously.
My post about the gun jamming was in response to another post where someone argued that the person in question wouldn't be truly evil even if they had evil intentions, which is mostly a separate thing anyway.
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I have messed with Quetzali's face some more.
I'm not sure if it really addressed the perspective issue actually, but I do think it looks a bit better, and also I'm tired of messing with this, so I'm moving on.
I'm finishing this tonight.
In the meantime, I'm open to dialogue suggestions for this if anyone has anything they feel like tossing my way, I don't really know Quetzali well enough as a character to feel confident trying to write her.
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>>3961061
>I'm pretty sure this idea was never meant to be treated that seriously.
ok hold on, lets be fair to everyone involved here. Over exploring one off ideas is basically bread and butter here. It doesn't always turn into arguments here but I'm sure a lot of the ideas that come up and get discussed overly deeply were no more than spur of the moment thoughts.
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>>3961063
I meant "not seriously" as in, "comedic".
I'm reasonably sure the idea was pitched as a comedy idea, and not like some dramatic story about a narrowly-avoided mass killing spree or something.
So, to that end, the character not being able to kill anyone no matter how hard they try or want to is just the will of the world, instead of them actually being able to do what they want.
Hell, if we really wanna try and tie that into how UT works, you could have [you] as an actual presence in the story, but as the audience, so therefore [you]r will to see the main character always fail comedically is overriding the main character's determination to actually kill anyone.
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>>3961061
>argued that the person in question wouldn't be truly evil even if they had evil intentions
A few things got mixed together in that.
The original part was that someone with wicked thoughts but never acts on them is not evil.
>does having terrible thoughts but never acting upon them make you a bad person?
was the statement.
and the response
>Having bad intentions makes you a bad person
People have wicked intentions and feelings all the time, but don't truly act on them, or convince themselves they are acting on them when actually holding back. The number of people I've seen consider themselves terrible people because they have scary impulses, but don't actually lean into them like they convince themselves are is something that I'm sure has also been studied.
when the gun thing came up, I'm not stating that the person isn't evil for firing the gun, but that there are degrees of evil. The act on both peoples part was the same, but succeeding at doing something bad compared to failing to do something bad affect you differently. Psychologically, the person who successfully made the kill, is more likely to kill again (assuming they are not stopped) than the person who failed, and both of them are of course more likely than someone who never tried.
A failed assassin may be a bad person, but he doesn't have the wretched heart of a seasoned killer even if he's trying his hardest to get it.
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>>3961066
>I'm reasonably sure the idea was pitched as a comedy idea
it probably was, but it was only pitched with a skeleton of details, so I followed the letter of the law in the post to come up with an idea.
you could probably make your idea fun though, if you made the (you) be preventing the human from getting his kills in a "ghost trick" like method. It would also help to make it so that you were in control of saves instead of him, so if you managed to trick him into getting to the next save point, you could save the game thus, making him seethe at the fact that (you) are constantly making things impossible.
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>>3961068
Alright, this is going to be another one of those things.
I disagree with your opinion, but this topic has shifted to one of moral philosophy, and nothing productive has ever come of arguing that, certainly not from here.
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>>3961075
I was moreso interested in the morality of the topic, or that one post in particular.
If we go off the original post, the idea seems to be that the human went to Mt.Ebott with the specific intention of committing genocide, so I'd argue that this human is already past the point where different levels of evil even matter, having made the conscious decision to attempt to commit genocide by himself.
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>>3961087
>so I'd argue that this human is already past the point where different levels of evil even matter
I won't deny that makes sense, but I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about.
A lot of sales people will talk about how they're gung ho about ripping a customer off and how they're going to make bank taking advantage of whoever they can. "they've got this they can see fortune just waiting for them"
And then put them in front of an emotional sensitive customer situation, which psychologically speaking is the easiest to actually take advantage of if you are willing to throw away morals, and suddenly that salesman can't actually go through with it.
But then there are salespeople who've done it before, and usually they'll get sent out to handle the deal with the inexperienced person as a "shut the fuck up and watch" tag along. to give them exposure to actually doing the deed.
The idea being that, convincing yourself that you're going to do the deed, and actually popping the cherry of a cruel act, are 2 separate finish lines. There's a different demeanor and sense of self that comes about from completion of a cruel deed.
I'll cast aside all arguing of right vs wrong, or whether someone is or isn't too far gone at this point or another. you're absolutely right, it takes a special kind of twisted to actually say "I'm going to go kill an entire race of people" even if they word it in a different way of course, or if it's just an internal feeling. a resolution that you're going to go out and do something sick. The person who has failed to close the deal is still a "cherry boy" in this, so they aren't as twisted as they could be, because of how much worse they can still get by crossing that second finish line.
I'm sorry, if that feels like it goes into the moral area, I'll drop it completely.
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>>3961062
it does look like it's improved. I should boot up Naranja again and look at her dialogue some more. She's been coming up more often but I'm not sure of what she'd say other than knowing she has a certain kind of autism. Maybe for now something cheeky about "exploring" her body?
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>>3961091
I'll concede that you may have a point on the difference between someone who's killed someone before versus someone who hasn't, but that may only technically be part of this, as the original premise doesn't explicitly state whether or not the human in question had killed anyone else before entering the underground.
If we're talking about someone who has, a good scene to reference would be the pistol jam scene from Schindler's List.
Anyway, I think at this point we've reached a wall simply because there probably just isn't too much more to add to this.
We both just have two different ways of looking at this, and there isn't a whole lot to do with that.
So, good talk I guess.
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>>3961092
>Maybe for now something cheeky about "exploring" her body?
Perhaps that could be a line for this, but the main bit of dialogue is supposed to be her reaction to [you] asking to drink her milk, because I said I'd fulfill the "snilk" joke at some point.
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>>3961093
>If we're talking about someone who has, a good scene to reference would be the pistol jam scene from Schindler's List.
it's been a long time since I've watched it. at the very least I'll go rewatch that scene sometime soon.
and yeah the killed vs not killed isn't a hard set thing that has to be a part of this, but it's where my thoughts were. You've got a fair point in that, what kind of sicko sets out on a journey like that in the first place. Like, in all fairness to you here, it's one thing to say you're gonna be a sleezy salesman because it's going to give you a good life, and another to say you're gonna wipe ebott off the map.
>Anyway, I think at this point we've reached a wall simply because there probably just isn't too much more to add to this.
that's fair, I wasn't trying to talk past you in that conversation, but I think I understand what you were saying.
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I do kind of like the idea of "ghost trick" countering all of his attempts to murder and the reward to each segments being watching the little shit seethe. Maybe he's actually really dangerous and you're finding a way to manipulate the events into the one path that makes him fail his goals
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>>3961096
>at the very least I'll go rewatch that scene sometime soon.
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veztNJQyRJg
This is more what I imagined when I first brought up the idea of trying to kill someone but failing.
>that's fair, I wasn't trying to talk past you in that conversation, but I think I understand what you were saying.
Don't worry, it's whatever.
>Maybe he's actually really dangerous and you're finding a way to manipulate the events into the one path that makes him fail his goals
I like to imagine that from the human's perspective, he's really seriously trying to kill people, but then reality promptly decides to function on spoof movie logic just to stop him.
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>>3961097
>link
ahhh I remember the scene now, thank you.
>but then reality promptly decides to function on spoof movie logic just to stop him.
Seriously it's a good foundation for a puzzle game of some sort.
you're in third person view creating a rube goldberg machine of events to make planks fly in his face, bowling balls falling, water splashing on his gun and what not.
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Wasn't the original dialogue something about her acting cocky because you took interest on her breasts? Besides the exploring line already proposed, I think you could make her say something along the lines of "Only because my body's not out of bounds for you" or "They're pretty sweet, right? I've got the Underground's best snilkers"
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>>3961108
>Wasn't the original dialogue something about her acting cocky because you took interest on her breasts?
Yes, I think the original idea was about her being a bit cocky, but I'm still trying to decide what she should actually be saying.
>"They're pretty sweet, right? I've got the Underground's best snilkers"
I'm not sure how I feel about this, but more importantly, would she say this in response to someone asking to drink her breast milk?
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>>3961111
>I'm not sure how I feel about this, but more importantly, would she say this in response to someone asking to drink her breast milk?
I imagine in this context you have been dating for a while, she says this while blushing heavily and her tail wags, I also imagine she said "snilkers" because you used the word "snilk" when asking her.
If you are a complete rando asking to drink her snilk then that can only end badly.
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>>3961116
>I imagine in this context you have been dating for a while
Yes, a pre-existing relationship is the general context of this, as was the case with my Ceroba and Martlet images.
Hm, alright, "snilkers" it is, unless something else comes to mind.
At least Quetzali has something to go off of, I don't know what I'm going to do when I get to the other two.
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Welp, here you go, Quetzali's "snilk".
https://files.catbox.moe/mxlw33.png
I think I accidentally re-fucked up the face though.
Hopefully this is still acceptable.Also, to whoever suggested the word "snilkers", thank you for the suggestion, but also fuck you for making me type that.
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>>3961295
Really hot, I think its funny how everyone talked about her breasts being small yet you still gave her big snilkers, not complaining tho they look really good, and compared to you other drawings they are ineed on the smaller side,I think you should have given her black nipples
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I'm seeing Robas but I don't see the birds I was promised. Robas are nice Gerald but I want, no I NEED my birds Harvey.
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>>3961335
>I think its funny how everyone talked about her breasts being small yet you still gave her big snilkers
i tried man
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>>3961353
It's almost 1 pm in the timezone we were warned about! I can hardly handle the excitement!
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Well, I hope the "snilkers" have been an acceptable offering to the thread for now.
Next up is Martlet talons, though I may do another side mission if I feel like it.
For now, I'm going to bed.
Goodnight.
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>>3961359
Probably one of the more active artists out there, I guess they just don't normally write in the picture itself.
>>3961362
It was a nice image, thank you anon.
>goodnight
I have strong doubts that it is night time for either of us. Even with some anons being all across the world.
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>>3961367
Worse than I expected. Go to sleep. Do not pass go.
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>>3961372
Ceroba, drag this man off to the sleep jail!
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>>3961373
Nooooooooooo!
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>900+ posts
>page 6
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I'm starting to think I was fooled. That I am not receiving any Martlets today.
>>3961388
Not much different from recent threads that weren't slid off the board. Plus doing that little quest thing added a decent number of posts.
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The way some of you are just so giddy and nonchalant about betraying and spitting in the face of your ancestors like that is insane to me. When I look at this fox monster my genetic memory instantly alerts me that her family is on their way to strip my entire house of valuables, and even my soul may be next if she can get my guard down. You think tales of foxes being potrayed as cunning and deceptive came about for no reason? No, your ancestors learned the hard way. You will too if you do not heed their warning.
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>>3961421
>betraying and spitting in the face of your ancestors
Maybe the weak spirits of your ancestors. My ancestors embraced the pioneer spirit of the Kirknian scholars. To boldly go where no man has gone before.
If you are too afraid to meet destiny, then it was never your destiny at all!
Are you ready to meet god?
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>>3961467
I'm trying to think of who else has notably red eyes. People usually say Toriels are a shade of brown, but I wouldn't fault you in saying it's a reddish brown or something.
Kris, chara, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a whole slew of others?
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>ralsei
not trying to split hairs here but his eyes are pink, and unlike toriels eyes that have color in her talk sprite, I think Asgores are completely black in his sprites.
>>3961478
you can see red eyes from ceroba when the mask cracks, but also, in the official art, while some of it gives the standard black eyes, I'm pretty sure there's some official pieces with red eyes. I'll have to go double check.
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>>3961480
Here we are, I'm pretty confident there's more official art out there that has her with red eyes, but she's usually drawn either with red eyes, or with sharp black lines for eyes.
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>>3961506
Yes, Toriel's eyes are red.
And while Pink is similar to red I'm sure if intentionally started calling Ralsei Yogurt you'd have a problem with it.
Also Kris's eyes might not actually even be red, Susie's turn red when she opens a dark fountain.
Damn this website let me talk about videogames videogames
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>>3961506
while pink is a form of red, when describing colors of something, people make the distinctions.
No one calls pepto bismol the bottle of red stuff even if it would be technically accurate. Ralsei got them bismol eyes
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>>3961635
it's an insanely stupid ending, but it's one that when it was pulled off in the moment, instead of just saying "wow this is stupid" you're sitting there in awe of the pure audacity of the writing, amazed that this is actually unfolding before you.
"there's no fucking way, there's absolutely no way they're actually pulling this right now".
plus the whole game does spend a lot of time just making you feel really shitty for snake, so there's a part of you that just wants to accept the absurdity and let him get a kind of happy ending.
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>>3961667
Something about the black nipples comment makes me feel as though it's being said by someone who expected the character to be depicted as such, as though they know how that detail actually should be.
Or maybe I'm reading too deep into that.
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I want to write about bird, but my mind is a mess of bird thoughts. I should try to get more sleep so I can focus on writing better. I never thought I'd end up with these obsessions after playing yellow.
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>>3960406
You decide to check behind the waterfall but all you find is darkness, is this a dead end?
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>>3961702
Class: Euclid (crossed out)
Class: Keter
UTY can not currently be contained. All attempts to contain UTY have resulted in instances ofbird, and additional fangames. Do not talk about UTY, Do not think about UTY.
Talk about UTY.
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>>3961710
You tried to think of ways to light the way but you couldn't figure anything, fortunately, the stranger from before had the same idea, by thinking harder he managed to light the way.
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>>3961718
Wait, those markings...
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You anons remember those mysterious white flowers in the Steamworks? Well check this out. Its called monotropa uniflora. Its a flowering plant with no chlorophyll that doesn't photosynthesize. It draws all of its energy parasitically from fungus in the soil. So its a bone white flower which grows without sunlight. Maybe a possible inspiration.
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>>3961725
On further inspections, those markings seem to be a message of some sort left by someone, you don't know if you can decipher its meaning.
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>>3961731
There's some really cool stuff down there, go further.
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Oh hey, Naranjadev, if you're around, what'd you think about the finished "snilkers" drawing?
IIRC you replied when I posted my Zaer image here, so I'm just curious what you have to say about something that's ostensibly more normal.
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>>3961738
Turns out that the cool glasses come with a night vision function, you decide to keep moving forward and so does the stranger without exchanging a word, problem is now you are not sure where exactly you both are standing.
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>>3961742
It looks good, I'm not sure what else to say, the "snilkers" line is funny, the tail being disconnected from the rest of her body looks odd but I understand why you might have drawn it that way, I suppose I can add that I don't image her with breasts that large.
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>>3961749
> the tail being disconnected from the rest of her body looks odd but I understand why you might have drawn it that way
Yeah, I just didn't wanna draw the whole thing if I'm honest.
I actually forgot to detail the sketch for most of the tail before I started on the lineart, so I kinda just improvised when I got to it.
>I suppose I can add that I don't image her with breasts that large.
Damn, no tits at all, huh?
Eh, maybe I'll nerf her a bit more the next time I draw her, I'm more into her tummy anyway.
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>>3961752
You can't decide if you should keep moving forward or if you should stop to chart the area, so as a compromise you draw a quick sketch of the rooms on your hand and then push forward.Sorry guys, I started this too late and I took too long making the scribbles, I'm going to sleep now, feel free to continue the quest without me
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>>3961758
>just that her bust isn't that big,
How big would you say they should be, for future reference?
>you are free to draw the characters however you want.
I understand that, but I do usually like to try and adhere to how the characters are generally considered to look, which is why I tried to make them smaller than I usually draw them.
Which as I understand it, is still massive.
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>>3961760
>How big would you say they should be, for future reference?
Huh, I didn't expect to have to tell others the bust size of any character from UTN, anyway, it's rude to ignore a question, I think they should be on the smaller side.
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>>3961764
>I think they should be on the smaller side.
Can I get like, a size comparison here?
Because I tried to go for small, but apparently "small" for me is massive for everyone else, so I think I need something more specific to go off of.
If the boobs I draw are usually the size of watermelons, and I gave Quetzali boobs about the size of grapefruits, how big *should* they be?
Also, while I'm at it, it occurred to me that I don't actually know the personalities and mannerisms of the other two Naranja girls that I'm also going to have to draw (the fire one and the green one), so could I get a general description of what they're like?
Yes, this is so I can figure out how to write dialogue for them responding to being asked for their breastmilk, you know the score.
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>>3961769
Not naranja anon but I would wager just a bit bigger than the small snitty I drew for her in the dress pic? Since I drew her pretty much flat there. Might be talking out of my ass here tho but thats my guess.
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>>3961796
probably about as well as they handled asgore if I could imagine, gerson pulls off a lot of tomfuckery in battle if his DR fight is to be taken as how he was during the war which means he was probably about as deadly in battle
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I was thinking of how one might go about getting a monster acclimated to surface weather, like rain, blizzards, or other kinds of inclement weather, when I thought of what would happen if you encountered an instance of ball-lightning while showing a monster the surface.
I feel like there are probably monsters that basically look like floating spheres of light and energy already, so I imagined having to hold a monster back from trying to approach what it thinks is a person, but is actually a large ball of plasma.
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So in that wheelchair clover DRY take, clover is stuck in a coma and kanako is depressed because of that or something
Also why did they make clover so feminine
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Nako has snoot game
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>>3962012
this is actually the ending of dryanon's dry, at the end he wakes up and says "kanako....I was in a cole-ma" and then they kiss and the credits roll
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>>3962017
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>>3962019
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>>3961769
>Can I get like, a size comparison here?
I think what the other anon commented would be right, between the size she has in that drawing with the orange dress, and the size she has on the nsfw pic, maybe a bit bigger, anything on that range really.
>Also, while I'm at it, it occurred to me that I don't actually know the personalities and mannerisms of the other two Naranja girls, so could I get a general description of what they're like?
I think this is the first time anyone has directly asked me about them, the context could have been more normal, but I'll take it, I avoided giving descriptions because I suck at explaining things and I'm an amateur writer so I tried to avoid this as much as possible, anyway.
>Luzma is (arguably) the Underground's strongest mercenary
>She goes by the nickname Blue Death (she came up with that name as a teen, way before becoming a merc).
>She loves to aura farm on her job and drop edgy one liners
>She's fully aware of how cringe that might look to some but she doesn't care
>In fact she enjoys seeing her targets cringe at her corniness
>Might be a bit too overconfident for her own good
>Luzma has a tendency to laugh when feeling a strong emotion, it could be excitement, superiority, anxiety, or even sadness
>She can't really control her laugh, but she has learned to turn it into an intimidation tactic when facing foes.
>If you asked her out she would laugh, even if she were into you
>She doesn't respect the royal guard at all, sees the barrier of entry for the organization as too low, and all the members as too weak to deal with any actually dangerous criminals (with the sole exception of Gerson Boom, of course)
>As a kid and a teen she used to be criminal, nowadays, technically she's still one but not for a non violent crime (tax evasion)
Keep in mind that this is all subject to change, not even I know how I'll end writing Luzma, I hope this was helpful, maybe I went overboard or I didn't explain enough.
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>>3962030
>Luzma has a tendency to laugh when feeling a strong emotion, it could be excitement, superiority, anxiety, or even sadness
>If you asked her out she would laugh, even if she were into you
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>>3962030
>She goes by the nickname Blue Death (she came up with that name as a teen, way before becoming a merc).
>She loves to aura farm on her job and drop edgy one liners
>She's fully aware of how cringe that might look to some but she doesn't care
Are you telling me Luzma is actually femshu?
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>>3962030
I'm gonna echo that sentiment about the scarf. As is it looks too much like a part of her body, and looks too busy. I'd make it gold and use it for one scene, like a cool introduction, then have her toss it for dramatic effect. Then make a joke about how expensive it is to do those intros because of how many golden scarfs she goes through.
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Well, that bird art drop ended up not being real, so instead I just went searching for past art I've never seen. Found a lot of birds and a couple of foxes too that I've never spotted in these threads.
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>>3962097
OH, I'm fucking stupid. I'm not the person who originally said there was going to be an art drop, so I just kept thinking you were telling me it actually did happen and that I was lying about noart.
bird brain moment you see.
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>>3962030
>the context could have been more normal, but I'll take it
Let's be honest, if someone else had asked, it probably would've been stranger.
>She can't really control her laugh
Man, I'd have been all over this like, two years ago.
Anyway, yes, these details will help immensely when I get around to drawing her.
Now, what about the green one?
What was her name again, "Bedo"?
What's she like?
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>>3962201
I've seen people ship Dalv with Martlet before, I don't think they ever interact in game besides Clover's funeral, sometimes people just ship the characters that were left single at the end of the story, even if it makes no sense.
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>>3962203
I'd place Dalv x axis as a gay ship. Yeah you could say that Axis is a robot and doesn't have a dick, but he's still referred to as "he". I'm looking to see if we can find a pairing thats as completely incompatible as something like ceroba x martlet.
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>roba traumadumping while dalv just sits there awkwardly waiting for her to finish before saying anything
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>>3962206
>as completely incompatible as something like ceroba x martlet.
Oh, I think that might just be the top of the mountain here on that front, though I have also seen someone shipping Ceroba/Toriel, and I think those two might just actually kill each other.
I have also seen Ceroba/Asgore too, so maybe that would have a similar level of instability.
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>ceroba/toriel
holy shit that's a fucking recipe for disaster
>ceroba/asgore
at the very least I don't think they'd kill eachother as fast as ceroba and toriel. I'm not just saying this to bash a yuri ship, Ceroba and Toriel is a match made in hell.
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>>3962215
I could see that, though not knowing what actually happened with asgore I wonder if it would be for the best.
Probably would be.
I feel like on the flipside, if roba got angry enough at Toriel she'd call her a bitch to her face.
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>>3962215
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that's true, though she seems to do that to end fights without any killing.
I could see it if she started a fight telling Ceroba to leave, and Ceroba refused to back down, though it would probably be accidental like in her ut fight.
I can't tell but I think that may be a worse ship than Ceroba x Martlet.
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The idea is that the scarf is made of fire, she can turn it on or off, she mostly uses it to aura farm before a fight, I did think of giving it a different color, gold looks good, but the gold in her sprite is meant to be metal, I don't want people thinking the heat sink in her neck is part of a scarf, and black changes the general shape of the scarf
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Besides Luzma being aware of her own cringe like how >>3962073 mentioned, the other biggest difference with femshu is that Luzma can live up to her tittle, she's meant to be the strongest mercenary (or so she claims), there are still monsters above her like Asgore, Gerson, Six Eyes, and some other monsters out there that Luzma might not be aware of, that being said, she would still act cocky if she had to fight them.
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>Let's be honest, if someone else had asked, it probably would've been stranger.
Eh, I think there are more normal context than weird ones. In any case, I Gotta say, I respect how you're asking me for their personalities with the intention of making your art more accurate to the game.
>Man, I'd have been all over this like, two years ago.
Do I wanna know?
>Now, what about the green one?
>What was her name again, "Bedo"?
>What's she like?
I'll try to describe her.
>Bedo is plain and simple put a NEET, there is not much going on in her life
>When speaking she can come as rude and antisocial, but can be quite pleasant with her friends
>She's not the best when it comes to expressing her feelings on anything
>On top of that, Bedo's patience is low
>She might seem annoyed most of the time, but that's just how her resting face looks
>Despite this, she can stand up for those she cares about, Bedo is actually quite brave
>Could be described as having a conflictive nature, if something bothers her, she will speak up
>Bedo was very talented at the monster equivalent of martial arts
>Might have been too envious
>She never felt like her progress was enough
>Has probably played every video game that has entered the underground
Again most of this stuff is subject to change.
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>>3962238
>she would still act cocky if she had to fight them.
The perfect role model for Val. She's sealed her fate as a parental figure I'm sorry to say.
>The idea is that the scarf is made of fire, she can turn it on or off
Maybe it could turn some other color fire gets when burning at x temperature, or when burning a different material?
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>Maybe it could turn some other color fire gets when burning at x temperature, or when burning a different material?
Apparently violet and white flames are hotter than blue flames, I'm not too much into the idea of expanding her color pallet, but since this is temporary its not a big deal.
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>>3962239
>I Gotta say, I respect how you're asking me for their personalities with the intention of making your art more accurate to the game.
Of course, I like to be accurate to the characters I depict, when possible.
After all, what else am I (and others) getting off to if not *who* these characters are, as opposed to simply their appearances?
>Do I wanna know?
Oh, no, most certainly not.
>I'll try to describe her.
I see.
This too, will be very useful.
I thought of it before, but I hadn't found the words to convey it until now, but I find the characterization for your various cast members to be well done.
Even if I only have these brief descriptions to work with for Luzma and Bedo, going off the characterization seen in the playable build so far, I am given the feeling that your cast will be one people will remember.
For as much sexual talk as there is regarding your characters, I find it to be a good indicator that actual discussion of their personalities and mannerisms doesn't fall to the wayside either.
You're doing good work.
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>if it's something she's doing temporarily to look cool, it makes sense for it to be a hotter flame.
Yeah, that makes sense, I think I prefer the top middle one.
>>3962248
>After all, what else am I (and others) getting off to if not *who* these characters are, as opposed to simply their appearances?
I mean, I've seen plenty of people getting off to characters just based on their appearance, so I still have some respect for what you are doing.
>but I find the characterization for your various cast members to be well done.
Really?
>Even if I only have these brief descriptions to work with for Luzma and Bedo, going off the characterization seen in the playable build so far, I am given the feeling that your cast will be one people will remember.
>You're doing good work.
Thanks, even if most of the time I feel like a headless chicken whenever I'm writing, I still hope I don't fumble their dialogues once the time comes.
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>>3962266
At least in the underground there is not much that can be an actual threat towards Val, but I imagine Luzma trying to take care of Val in the surface and he keeps getting himself into fights that could easily end his life, and in the surface tax evasion is more serious crime than it could be in the Underground.
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>>3962268
>val comes home with a tooth knocked out
>on the one hand this kid is pretty cool
>on the other hand she really can't be encouraging this kind of behavior.
She'd be screwed on the tax evasion unless humanity let monsterkind handle their own taxes. Even capone went away for that shit.
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>>3962271
She would need to find a job on the surface as well, what do mercenary monsters do once they are free? join a PMC? As for the tax evasion, maybe she'll quickly understand that the IRS is way more intimidating than the royal guard when it comes to not paying taxes.
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>laughing, she says the irs can't be that scary, she's been there done that
>then the letters start coming
>the letters have fucking intimidating auras
>now laughing nervously as she reads up on how humans go about tax writeoffs
>she finds out that having a kid is a MASSIVE tax write off
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>>3962257
>I mean, I've seen plenty of people getting off to characters just based on their appearance, so I still have some respect for what you are doing.
True, but I think a decent chunk of the people within these threads are after more than just looks alone.
I can certainly say that for myself, with the biggest object of my fascination (from these threads, anyway) being a small scruffy french foxman.
And even for Naranja in particular, I think the fact that someone developed those kinds of feelings for Pastra is indicative of the fact that people here have a tendency to go beyond simple appearances.
>Really?
Yes.
From just the small glimpses of your characters the playable build has allowed us to see, people have become genuinely attached to how they're written, even if how the characters look still factors in aside from that.
>Thanks, even if most of the time I feel like a headless chicken whenever I'm writing, I still hope I don't fumble their dialogues once the time comes.
Self-doubt is natural for everyone, and not necessarily unwarranted.
I would recommend practicing with writing the characters in your setting, whatever you can do to more strongly solidify how these characters behave in your mind, so that you may develop greater confidence when actually writing them for the main material.
Regardless, I remain confident in your work.
Yours was the only fangame to have not drawn my ire beforehand, which I understand was a topic of some interest to a handful of people for a little while.
To give an update on my thoughts on the matter, while I do still have my share of potential concerns, Undertale Naranja is one of the only fangames (the other being Oldentale) being developed here that I have any interest or hope in seeing completed.
I see something in you that I find not to be present in most other fangame projects.
Something good.
Eat the path, and I trust you will end up where you wish to be.
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>>the letters have fucking intimidating auras
The IRS letters in the Undertale world look as fucked up as the true knife
>>she finds out that having a kid is a MASSIVE tax write off
I would have expected Val to have found a home on the surface before Luzma started to get those letters, unless she adopted him from Zaer who's still a hobo on the surface
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>I would have expected Val to have found a home on the surface before Luzma started to get those letters, unless she adopted him from Zaer who's still a hobo on the surface
maybe she took him in reluctantly because seeing Val go to live with a literal hobo didn't sit right with her. I don't know anything about any morals she might have despite being a mercenary, but maybe she said the kid could come live with her if nothing else.
Then later she found out about the tax writeoffs and it was like Val was made of gold suddenly.
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>>3962210
Ceroba x Asgore would be a completely functional relationship, and the entire underground would be worse for it. Imagine Ceroba, "I would murder an infinite number of children for my dead husband even if he told me not to", Ketsukane being married to Asgore, "I rashly declared a war that I didn't really want and now I'm in too deep to tell anyone so I'll just keep killing kids" Dreemurr.
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>>3962295
Eh, Ceroba doesn't seem to have the highest opinion on Asgore by UTY, I don't think things between them would work out.
Plus, given how Ceroba views maturity, I think she might unironically hold the same opinion as what Toriel says to Asgore near the end of true pacifist, that he should just take one soul and go out to the surface to harvest some more, and Asgore doesn't seem like the biggest fan of that idea.
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>>3962296
>Eh, Ceroba doesn't seem to have the highest opinion on Asgore by UTY
Because Chujin doesn't. Asgore was the one that kept brushing him off and denying funding to his projects. Eventually even getting him fired (albeit indirectly). She'd probably have the inverse view if she were married to Asgore.
>given how Ceroba views maturity
Asgore isn't immature. He's very mature, being willing to do such horrible things that even he detests for the sake of the greater good. Toriel is the childish one there, not even considering responsibility or duty when examining the morality of Asgore's actions. She thinks purely in selfish and personal terms. That he must just want revenge and is too scared to get it, when what he's actually trying to do is keep monster kind alive with hope, while also avoiding the slaughter of either all humans or all monsters.
I think Ceroba, being the dutiful wife she is, would respect that.
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>>3962280
>Self-doubt is natural for everyone, and not necessarily unwarranted.
I know its natural, but I would've expected to have dissipated a bit by this point
>would recommend practicing with writing the characters in your setting, whatever you can do to more strongly solidify how these characters behave in your mind, so that you may develop greater confidence when actually writing them for the main material.
I tried written a small side story with UTN characters, it was really bad, I also had this idea of writing a very short and linear visual novel with Luzma as the protagonist, but thinking back on it, it would take too much time, its weird, because even when I'm drawing a shitpost or coding a mechanic I know I'll never use, I feel like I'm improving those skills, but I can't say the same whenever I write anything, the problem is that writing dialogue always gives me a mental block, maybe its a question of reading more books, I still should try to write some other basic side story
>Eat the path, and I trust you will end up where you wish to be.
When I first started I had the attitude of "fuck it, we ball" maybe its not the best attitude to have all the time, but its better than not trying, I appreciate how much confidence you show in what I've done so far, I guess as long as I keep trying and keep asking myself what I can improve, then I'll manage to finish the project.
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Removing the outline helps, with the idea of it being made of fire.
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I would agree, but this is something that only appears briefly on the character so I don't think it really ruins her design, I could try giving her the top middle sprite or the top left, those use colors already present in the sprite.
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>>3962303
>the problem is that writing dialogue always gives me a mental block, maybe its a question of reading more books, I still should try to write some other basic side story
Hm.
Well, I myself am not a writer, but whenever I find myself trying to get a better grasp on how a character behaves, I try and conduct a thought experiment with them, so to speak.
Try and take whatever character you wish to develop a stronger image of, and put them into some new situation, try and workshop how they would think and act in an entirely new context.
I believe a strongly-defined character is one that can be easily imagined existing in contexts outside of their own native story, so perhaps putting them in their own isolated situations could be a good way to develop them for use in their main project.
Like I said though, I am not a writer, so I'm not sure how useful that will be for you.
>When I first started I had the attitude of "fuck it, we ball" maybe its not the best attitude to have all the time, but its better than not trying,
I think you're past that mentality now, or at least past the point where it's as useful as it could be.
You already have something to show for your efforts, so it's not as if you're struggling just to get anything out at all anymore, now it's about keeping up your pace, and continuing to make progress along your own path.
Even if the path starts to feel wrong to you, that doesn't make it the end of *your* path, just that path in particular. If you start to feel as though things are wrong, you can always switch paths, and take things in a different direction.
Like you said, some of the things you outlined before are still subject to change, so if you remain unconfident with writing something in particular, you could just tweak things and see how you feel about them then.
Like the terminal says, there is only one path and that is the path that you take, but you can take more than one path.
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>>3962307
NTA, and I haven't been part of this conversation in particular, but I think the shape of the scarf itself might be the issue, it doesn't look like it's really flowing the way it's supposed to be, it looks a little too stiff.
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Hey Oldentale anon, wasn't it you that said "Oh don't worry, I'll get to you later" a while ago, or was that someone else?
Given the topic of conversation at the time, I'm curious to see what that was about, if that was you after all.
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>>3962311
Well, I myself am not a writer, but whenever I find myself trying to get a better grasp on how a character behaves, I try and conduct a thought experiment with them, so to speak.
>Try and take whatever character you wish to develop a stronger image of, and put them into some new situation, try and workshop how they would think and act in an entirely new context.
That's what I tried with the little side story, but I don't have the same drive with writing as I do for drawing and coding.
>I believe a strongly-defined character is one that can be easily imagined existing in contexts outside of their own native story, so perhaps putting them in their own isolated situations could be a good way to develop them for use in their main project.
Something I've noticed is that writing dialogue for Zaer became easier the more dialogue I wrote for him, and the more I defined his character traits in my notes, it's still not easy, but making dialogue for him is not as hard as it used to be.
>Even if the path starts to feel wrong to you, that doesn't make it the end of *your* path, just that path in particular. If you start to feel as though things are wrong, you can always switch paths, and take things in a different direction.
Yeah, there have been a few times the "path felt wrong" so I did changes to the writing, if I shared that about Luzma and Bedo is because those details don't feel like something I'm going to change.
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I can experiment with her shape, I'll probably try to get it animated sometime soon.
>>3962316
I'm sorry anon, but I like more the idea of the scarf being made of fire.
>>3962317
I know, but I mentioned before that I have a hard time telling when my writing skills have improved.
>Reading more would help though.
I've been thinking of reading one of the Discworld books, I remember someone mentioning that they have a tone that resembles UT/DR.
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>>3962303
nta but, having gone through Naranja, I'd say you have a strength in making dialogue and interactions that feel like they'd be at home in the world of undertale. I don't know what your writing was like before you released the demo, so saying "you've improved" may not make sense not knowing what came before, but I think you have a solid foundation you're working off of here. You said the thing you tried writing was really bad but first of all, sometimes (a lot of the time) we are harsher on ourselves on things we make, and second of all, sometimes even as you get better, you're going to have ideas that end up being not great.
I've sat down to write many times and found that the thing I was making was edgy trash and I saw it a mile away, and other times where I thought what I was making was bad, and it ended up received well.
Even if you don't feel like you're improving as you go forward, you probably are, if what we've seen so far is any indication. Have you thought about trying to write little side stories and sharing them here to get feedback? Even if it's completely unrelated to Naranja for spoilers reasons, it can give you perspective.
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>>3962323
>I've been thinking of reading one of the Discworld books, I remember someone mentioning that they have a tone that resembles UT/DR.
Huh.
I think that anon may have been myself, although in a different context.
The Discworld has some amount of tonal similarities to UTDR, but that depends on which book you decide to read.
Try The Colour of Magic or The Light Fantastic, I don't think Night Watch is the sort of thing you're looking for.
And if you don't have the time for the books, there's always the movies.
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>>3962326
>I don't know what your writing was like before you released the demo
It was basically nothing, like beyond some random notes I wrote as an ideas guy, I never sat down to writing anything serious, not even greentexts.
>You said the thing you tried writing was really bad but first of all, sometimes (a lot of the time) we are harsher on ourselves on things we make
Nah, this time I'm 100% sure it was really bad, I usually forget it even existed.
>sometimes even as you get better, you're going to have ideas that end up being not great.
I understand that as well, I know everyone fumbles from time to time, which is why I think having a second opinion is extremely important in writing, that way you can minimize the chances of this happening.
>Have you thought about trying to write little side stories and sharing them here to get feedback? Even if it's completely unrelated to Naranja for spoilers reasons, it can give you perspective.
I did, but I don't think my level is quite there yet, anyways thanks for your input, it feels nice to have a community that lets you share your ideas in the first place.
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>Try The Colour of Magic or The Light Fantastic, I don't think Night Watch is the sort of thing you're looking for.
I heard the book "Small Gods" was the best for someone who has never read Discworld before, but I'll take a look into your suggestions.
>And if you don't have the time for the books, there's always the movies.
Well, the entire point of this "exercise" is to read more books with the intention of improving my writing, Recently I finished watching Ashita no Joe (great anime btw), and there is no game I'm currently addicted to, so I have free time to read a book.
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>>3962329
>I heard the book "Small Gods" was the best for someone who has never read Discworld before, but I'll take a look into your suggestions.
That is a good one, but The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic are the first books in the series, so you may want to start there for the sake of getting acquainted with the setting.
Also because they're really good too.
>Well, the entire point of this "exercise" is to read more books with the intention of improving my writing, Recently I finished watching Ashita no Joe (great anime btw), and there is no game I'm currently addicted to, so I have free time to read a book.
Fair enough.
I would still highly recommend watching them at some point though, simply because they're just tremendous movies, great times all around.
(Wyrd Sisters, Soul Music, The Colour of Magic parts 1 and 2, and Hogfather, to be specific)
In any event, aside from hoping you enjoy whichever book it is you go into first, I also hope you get some useful insights from it as well.Also, I know I set the idea aside earlier, but thinking about it more closely, I may just have to do something else with Luzma at some point, aside from the drawing I've already said I'd do.
The idea I have now is much stranger than anything I've done for a long while now, but I suppose we'll see if I end up going for it anyway.
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>>3962332
>That is a good one, but The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic are the first books in the series, so you may want to start there for the sake of getting acquainted with the setting.
Alright, I'll read The Colour of Magic then, I usually play games on release order and not chronological order anyway.
>I would still highly recommend watching them at some point though, simply because they're just tremendous movies, great times all around.
I rarely if ever watch movies, but I'll give them a try if I remember you recommended them to me, and I'm feeling bored.
>I also hope you get some useful insights from it as well.
It something catches my attention, I'll make sure to make a note about it, I got some inspirations from watching ASN, so I might get some from these books too.
>Spoiler
I have to admit, I have some sort of morbid curiosity towards your drawings, so while I don't think I'll enjoy the contents of whatever you might be planning, I'll be waiting for it in case you decide to draw it.
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>>3962329
>Nah, this time I'm 100% sure it was really bad
I get that, I've thrown together a lot of stories that will absolutely never see the light of day. Never. That said, I just want to say there's still value in having reached that conclusion. Being able to reach that point where you say "oh wow this is terrible" is a step above the ground floor.
>I did, but I don't think my level is quite there yet
I'm not gonna keep harping on this and trying to force you to think my way, but I just wanted to say that I don't think "quite there" exists for this. If you can slam words onto a keyboard, even if it's a completely terrible mess, you're past the starting line already. If it wont detract from working on the project as a whole, you should still consider it.
>it feels nice to have a community that lets you share your ideas in the first place.
It's really a nice thing we've got going on here. When I take a look at the other ut/dr communities far and wide, I almost feel bad for those other communities in comparison.
Either way, I'll stop bugging you about it. I just wanted to add some thoughts to that.
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>>3962336
>Being able to reach that point where you say "oh wow this is terrible" is a step above the ground floor.
It was really boring, that was the main problem with that story, and I myself got bored before reaching the point were things could get interesting, maybe the main problem was the story being too long for something that was never meant to be seen by anyone else.
>If it wont detract from working on the project as a whole, you should still consider it.
I've already decided I want to give this a second try, now with a much shorter story, I'll probably try after reading one of the Discworld books.
>I almost feel bad for those other communities in comparison.
Same, this place is pretty encouraging but its not a hugbox, and whenever an anon criticizes your work, they don't try to tear it down, but instead give you their opinion on the matter and alternatives on what you can do, its a rarity on the modern internet.
>Either way, I'll stop bugging you about it. I just wanted to add some thoughts to that.
I didn't mind it, I wouldn't have mentioned the cancelled side story if I didn't want anyone to give me their thoughts on the matter
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>>3962332
>Also, I know I set the idea aside earlier, but thinking about it more closely, I may just have to do something else with Luzma at some point, aside from the drawing I've already said I'd do.
>The idea I have now is much stranger than anything I've done for a long while now, but I suppose we'll see if I end up going for it anyway
Scrimblos have the power to reawaken anon's darkest ideas.
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>>3962335
>It something catches my attention, I'll make sure to make a note about it, I got some inspirations from watching ASN, so I might get some from these books too.
Alright, I look forward to seeing what comes of this.
>I have to admit, I have some sort of morbid curiosity towards your drawings, so while I don't think I'll enjoy the contents of whatever you might be planning, I'll be waiting for it in case you decide to draw it.
Oh, you almost certainly won't like it, unless we happen to have something in common. Doubtful.
That said, it won't be anything like my Zaer image, it's on a different axis of weird from that, mostly.
Nothing gross or even necessarily all that extreme, but definitely something that'll earn me a few weird looks, if I do it.
Anywho.
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>>3962341
fair enough, then I do want to add
>It was really boring, that was the main problem with that story
been in exactly that position before. was writing something, and just could not find ANY interesting aspect of it myself. I even had myself thinking that I must no longer be so into uty related content and the fun was wearing off.
that was 6 months ago I think. I almost mistook my shitty writing for waning passion. If anything, I can feel the desire to create eating away at me more than ever.
>I'll probably try after reading one of the Discworld books.
nice, I really ought to read that myself, I hear nothing but praise but I think I'd like to read a couple other things first that are on my mind.
>this place is pretty encouraging but its not a hugbox
It really makes all the difference. Falling into the hugbox trap is dangerous, but just having everything you do get shit on aimlessly doesn't help either. Not many places grasp the balance.
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>>3962343
Ah, truth be told, I've been debating with myself as to whether or not I feel like giving into such things for a little while now.
I first thought of doing something like it with Wiki, then briefly Racter, and I gave some serious thought to doing it with Reynault, but Luzma's simpler to draw, and my brain loves to make connections.
I will have to hold myself back from doing it too much though, this particular intensity of it ought to be a one-time thing.
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>>3962356
>Is this like, tickle fetish?
Ha, said too much did I?
I suppose I could've been more discreet.
There's a bit more nuance to it though.
Suffering and stress, without pain, something more.
>tile patterns
Wow, that takes me back.
Wonder how something like that comes about, neurologically speaking.
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it is finally here https://files.catbox.moe/ny2f4z.zip
this took longer than I originally planned and I had to pretty much use all the free time I could manage
as usual, do your due diligence and scan the file, decompile it, run in VM, etc
changelog:
-Day 2 is now complete (a new save file is recommended but current save files should be compatible)
-The Kanako event at the start of Day 2 has been reworked (requires new file to see)
-The Fox Staff can now be converted into the heirloom and back (on new save files, existing ones will always convert to the necklace)
-Added UI indicator for how many water bullets you have left
-Added new move to Dark Blob duo combination
-Added new music theme to the secret boss of Day 1, and for Honvich
-Added special dialogue to the Warden for capturing Honvich
-Added items/equipment when starting Day 2 from the chapter select
1/2 (3?)
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-Added ability to see party and enemy stats (AT/DF changes) by pressing the MENU key before selecting an action in battle
-Added a sign in Day 1's Dark World with explaining the above
-Updated the theme of the Day 1 boss fight
-Tweaked position of the Robo Town TV event
-Tweaked graphics of some areas in Day 1's Dark World
-Tweaked some shop's sprites
-Tweaked camera to be a bit smoother
-Tweaked Capacimite hitbox
-Tweaked some act mercy values
-Tweaked battle money reward formula
-Tweaked DF values of some equipment
-Changed Gizmo's name during the roll call on Day 2
-Changed Penceller's solo attack
-Adjusted prices of Mo's items
-Adjusted some item prices
2/3
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-Removed space bar for fast forward, now that function is on the MENU key (default C)
-Fixed the volume of some talk bleeps during battle
-Fixed stats not being set properly when starting Day 2 from the chapter select menu
-Fixed events sometimes not triggering if you pressed the interaction key to check before a trigger zone
-Fixed items being converted into wrong inventories between Light and Dark Worlds
-Fixed some graphical issues with the SOUL if you lost in a battle memory
-Fixed trails sometimes rendering upside down
-Fixed colored text sometimes pausing awkwardly
-Fixed keybind menu text overlap and resetting after dismissing the reminder
-Typo fixes
3/3
now I will take a few days off before I do any chapter 3 stuff, also to wait for feedback and potential bug reports
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Holy shit I thought it was still a ways off.
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also forgot to add these notes:
While current Day 2 save files work normally, it is recommended to start the day over to see the new content.
Note: If you are having rendering issues, update your drivers through the GPU's manufacturer's site instead of through Windows Update.
Note for Translators: A lot of lines have been moved from Main.txt into their proper room files, and all shops had their dialogues rearranged, as well as some dialogue changes here and there on the entire game.
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>>3962373
I feel like Undertale is worth more as a creative soil than a completely satisfied product in of itself.
There's a lot of stuff in the game that is interesting, a lot of stuff that's stupid, and a lot of stuff that's way too half baked or underutilized than it needs to be. Asriel being chief among them.
But I can forgive it since it's Toby's first (official) game, as opposed to Halloween Hack.
Deltarune has a lot more potential and a lot more good stuff in it, but the frustrating parts of it are even more prevalent and I am afraid that it's going to wind up like Icarus: flying higher and higher until it falls hard to the ground.
Noelle is the biggest representative of this, since things keep going from her being one of the most enthralling characters and relationship in the game to one of the most frustrating.
Her family, her friendship with Kris and its eventual decay, her role in the story and how we can tell how she means a lot to Kris to the point that he* actively rebels against making her involved in the plot... Then you get to her half baked crush on Susie and it falls to shit.
*And on this topic: Toby not even having the balls to give Kris an enby label and giving that as the reason to not give Kris gendered pronouns for translations. I think the Latin American stuff is 90% overblown, but for fuck's sake, just commit to something regarding the topic.
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Starlo x Martlet. Anons here will decry Ceroba x Martlet, but glaze Starlet when it’s similar to Feathered Mask. Starlo immediately locks her up upon first meeting her and basically kidnaps her “child”, then attacks said child out of autistic rage. It’s a similar predicament to Ceroba’s actions to Clover. I would imagine she wouldn’t like Starlo’s jabs about Chujin even after learning his less than savory secrets in Pacifist
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you've got to have some strong yuri goggles on to see them as similar. Also what jabs about chujin? After the pacifist final fight, Martlet is the first person to acknowlege what chujin did.
We can also skip past the fact that almost everyone attacked the child, and had to either be stopped or realize it was wrong in their own way, or that Ceroba having attacked Clover has nothing to do with why the two wouldn't mesh.
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>>3962394
>you've got to have some strong yuri goggles on to see them as similar
I don’t ship Feathered Mask. I’m not even a fan of Chujin/Martlet, but it makes more sense than the ships I listed despite it being taboo considering they actually had a close bond. The “relationship development” Ceroba and Starlo have with Martlet in the main story is just kicking her constantly in the latter half of the story
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Chujin and Martlet makes a lot of sense (if chujin wasn't married of course, I don't think either of them would be down for infidelity.
But while I'm not a starlo and martlet shipper, it isn't even in the same dimension of bad as Martlet and Ceroba.
Each of the characters attack clover for one reason or the other, and then have their dramatic moment and are either stopped or change their ways like I said. We know how Martlet feels about things like this, pic related. She shows no sign of holding it against starlo or even ceroba what happened that day, but we do see a clear instance of their personalities clashing during that rooftop conversation. she shows no issue with what starlo said and chujin actually praises Chujin there. she does take issue with what Ceroba says. it's not even to say that Ceroba was wrong in saying it, but that they are very different people in key ways.
I think starlo is not a particularly good match (though I do like that one artists talon EX martlet), but Ceroba is an absolutely trash match for her.
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>>3962400
Samefag, but this is something that UTY dropped the ball hard on. I think we could have gotten an endearing Papyrus-Undyne like relationship with Starlo and Martlet, but the writers seemed to only care to develop Ceroba’s relationships. Martlet has 0 non-taboo popular pairings for a reason, and her popular pairings (like Papylet) don’t compare to the content that Ceroba ships get. Maybe it’s better this way for anons here cause tha means Martlet to gets to be with (You), but it feels unfair for Martlet to have no meaningful relationships outside of Clover
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>>3962410
Papylet is bad too. It's surface level "oh they both like puzzles!"
Someone with Papyrus's "gusto" I think would be overwhelming for Martlet.
I could see Farmer Starlo, if he relaxed after the story and went to the farm, being an easier person for Martlet to feel normal around, and that's the impression I get out of the Starlo that one artist draws her with. The key would be someone that could encourage her, without overwhelming or coddling her. Of course, Anons want her, but if it was a character in the universe, I'd suggestGrillby
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>>3962432
Not to be a dick, but it will be especially nice for there to be an actual game for the thread like when Naranja's first demo came out.
You know, assuming /v/ hasn't gotten any worse since the last time I used it. I honestly skipped a couple threads.
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Partners Anon, I've been busy with work and admittedly just enjoying the threads in my free time, but I finally got around to reading the latest chapter.
It was really good. really really good. I like the wayyou handle Ceroba's inner thoughts between her guilt and resolve.I enjoy Axis's internal dialogue, the interaction between him and guardener, and the scene at the end has me wanting the next chapter yesterday.
The tension with the Roba in the steam works/steam vents, the way they were interacting with the steam but also Robas plans to do what she has to really had me engaged, and seeing Martlets reaction to the tape was worth the wait.
I don't know, I want to ramble and say more but I just really enjoyed it.
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I whipped up this atrocity in just a few hours, instead of doing what I was supposed to.
I guess that makes this the first porn of Luzma, to my knowledge.
I am neither proud nor sorry.https://files.catbox.moe/9tfi40.png
Don't worry, this won't be a recurring thing from me, this was just a lapse of control on my part.
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>>3962538
Man, that was surprisingly quick, its tamer than your Zaer drawing, without context I wouldn't even think this is related to tickle fetish (ignoring the chains)
>I guess that makes this the first porn of Luzma, to my knowledge.
It is, Signirsol and an another draw anon were the only ones who drew her before.
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>>3962557
>its tamer than your Zaer drawing
And much like that drawing, making this felt like venting an unstable nuclear reactor.
This drawing should sate the urges, for a time.
>without context I wouldn't even think this is related to tickle fetish (ignoring the chains)
I feel like even without the chains that's pretty hard to ignore, if I'm honest.
>It is, Signirsol and an another draw anon were the only ones who drew her before.
So, I've been the first to get Zaer, and the first to get Luzma.
Three times now I've drawn UTN characters, and twice they've ended up in chains.
I perhaps have some kind of problem.
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>>3962562
>And much like that drawing, making this felt like venting an unstable nuclear reactor.
I still think it looks pretty tame for a "weird fetish" image.
>I feel like even without the chains that's pretty hard to ignore, if I'm honest.
It looks like the hands are groping Luzma and not specifically tickling her.
>Three times now I've drawn UTN characters, and twice they've ended up in chains.
Well going by your statement, you would have done this to another character sooner or later, Luzma's description just caught you when you add too many thought accumulated.
>I perhaps have some kind of problem.
You could say the same about most if not all of us, a sizeable amount of anons found these threads by looking at the source of some esix images.
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>I still think it looks pretty tame for a "weird fetish" image.
Fair, I guess.
>It looks like the hands are groping Luzma and not specifically tickling her.
I guess the one at her ass(?) looks like that, but I think the others are in too specific places for that.
>Well going by your statement, you would have done this to another character sooner or later, Luzma's description just caught you when you add too many thought accumulated.
Yeah, that bit about her not being able to stop herself from laughing was too good to not do something with.
Not sure who I would've actually targeted it at instead of her if she hadn't caught my eye though.
Best not to dwell on it, don't need this distracting me any further. Of all the weird fetishes I have, this is the one I've had for the longest time, and it is by far the strongest one I have.
>You could say the same about most if not all of us, a sizeable amount of anons found these threads by looking at the source of some esix images.
Fair enough, but I think few anons rival me in terms of sheer freakyness.
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>>3962592
I tried to keep a lid on it!
I thought I had my weirder desires sated with that Zaer image, but this is like if Peter Parker pulled off the symbiote just to have someone run up to him with a bucket of it and splash it back on him, I only have so much control over this!
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>>3962606
Yes, but I try not to feed it too often, it very quickly gets hard to ignore.
Plus, if I draw it too much, my art skills will stagnate, so I try to focus on other things for the sake of continuing to spur my own development.
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>>3962610
>Yes, but I try not to feed it too often, it very quickly gets hard to ignore.
So this is like a little devil on your shoulder?
>Plus, if I draw it too much, my art skills will stagnate, so I try to focus on other things for the sake of continuing to spur my own development.
That makes sense, seems like most anons here are conscious of the idea of stagnating.
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>>3962621
>So this is like a little devil on your shoulder?
More like a big devil.
>That makes sense, seems like most anons here are conscious of the idea of stagnating.
Yes, I like to try and improve with every drawing I make, but doing so requires that I draw with a certain amount of variety each time I work on a new drawing.
Were I to simply try and sate these certain desires of mine, I wouldn't have the amount of variety necessary to spur my own growth.
That's why I sometimes get ideas from these threads, so I can try and develop further by working with ideas I wouldn't have thought of myself.
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>>3962662
I just happens, although it might be one of those issues that only happen in certain pc systems, so it might only be happening in my pc, those are always the most annoying problems to fix, and if nobody else is having this problem it might not be worth fixing.
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>>3962829
Oh, found another one, same enemy.It was the last one in the fight, I used the Challenge ACT and succeeded, as soon as the turn ended the game began spamming +65% mercy on it and hp maxed out heal on Kanako, and the menu didn't show up so I had to close the game
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did a deep dive looking for more art, found a lot of good stuff, but also some cursed things to inflict on others.
I also noticed, it looks like there may be a significant number of people that lurk here, but are too scaredtoo weakto engage in conversation here, and just bring the topics back to whatever little dens they inhabit. It could be coincidence, but I doubt it.
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>>3962846
that "bad straight ship" conversation from last night popped up on reddit this morning.
There's at least 4 reddits for uty out there, and while crawling for art, I saw mirrors of some of the shitposts about goonbait pop up around similar times that people have come shitposting here.
screenshots of here occasionally get posted. mostly to the dry reddit as far as I can tell, though most people speak of the site (thankfully) as if it was a cursed den of evil.
>>3962850
it's funny, when someone posted those screenshots, people said things like "why would he post in that terrible place" when this is where it all started.
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>>3962855
you haven't seen that shitposter that randomly shows up crying about goonslop goonbait nonsense? Apparently there is a small string of communities that have sharty like sentiments, which I assume is just late stage irony poisoning. Not much of value to see from places like that. I did find a new trove of Robas out there though.
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>>3962850
It’s actually more complicated to track than I first thought because apparently the screenshots weren’t directly taken from here and posted into the subreddit, i heard that they had been posted on a discord server and then taken from there, so there are a few degrees of separation.
>but anything else?
Nah I just wanted to at least give one example that I knew of, and I think it’s reasonable to assume that it might have happened before or that it might happen again.
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>>3962778
>It always cracks me up that this comes up in your images like this, but the ones like the zaer or the Chujin ones are "more tame" in your eyes or however you've put it.
My Chujin and Zaer images were more deliberately planned, intentional acts, while this was a spontaneous occurrence brought on by a pattern connection and a sudden loss of control.
Drawing this felt like being possessed.
That other anon writing that reply joking about the image being the aftermath of Luzma doing the thumb pose just before fighting a group of people didn't help either, I can practically see a new image forming in my head already.
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>>3962914
Yeah, despite Naranjadev saying she's one of the underground's strongest mercenaries, her general personality being what it is makes it hard for me to not want to see her "humbled", so to speak.
Seeing someone so strong, reduced to something so weak...
Fuck, I really am going to have to draw that sometime as a full image.
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>>3962911
That makes it more funny. Like it's an evil force taking you over (but the cbt isn't, it's just a passing fancy)
>>3962859
>these fucking people have servers where they watch 4chan from a distance like its some darkweb evil lair, while trying to decipher things like the Val punching shu image
It's genuinely hilarious. We really are our own natural filter.
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>>3962916
>Yeah, despite Naranjadev saying she's one of the underground's strongest mercenaries, her general personality being what it is makes it hard for me to not want to see her "humbled", so to speak.
>Seeing someone so strong, reduced to something so weak...
I guess her laughing at anything and you having a tickle kink of all things didn't help.
>Fuck, I really am going to have to draw that sometime as a full image.
We used to joke about those scenarios with femshu, it was only a matter of time until someone applied it to a character that can be lewded.
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>>3962917
>Like it's an evil force taking you over
Just imagine "Animal I Have Become" playing on loop for the approximate three hours it took me to make that image.
>(but the cbt isn't, it's just a passing fancy)
Yes, that is an accurate description of things.
The few CBT images I did (though the Zaer image is less CBT specifically) were mostly done for reasons other than just to make the images themselves. the Chujin one was done because I wanted to practice drawing furry snouts and felt like doing something terrible to him, and the Zaer image was mostly because I thought the idea of milking him for healing items was funny.
The Luzma image I did was the result of me no longer being able to keep a lid on these desires of mine, and having a relatively easy target for them when they finally were unleashed.
If I hadn't had her as an easy target, I can imagine I'd have done something much worse to a different character entirely.
And now I've already gotten a solid idea for another such image, but more fleshed-out.
I fear this is one beast that I cannot sate.
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>>3962918
>I guess her laughing at anything and you having a tickle kink of all things didn't help.
That part of her description saying she "can't really control her laugh" just made me want to make her *really* not be able to control it.
>We used to joke about those scenarios with femshu, it was only a matter of time until someone applied it to a character that can be lewded.
Yeah, that's about right.
I guess that means Luzma'll be the threads' resident jobber/instant-loss victim from now on, huh?
I don't imagine anyone thought she'd be making her debut like this though.
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>>3962923
>I guess that means Luzma'll be the threads' resident jobber/instant-loss victim from now on, huh?
nta but she doesn't have to be a jobber across the board does she now? Competence is attractive in a woman, she can't help that she went up against the most powerful being, a human artist.
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>>3962924
True, but that other anon already made a joke about the infamous Thumb Pose being responsible for this, so it may already be too late.
If it's any consolation, I'll try and make sure the next image of her is the one I already promised beforehand, so she can have a relatively normal NSFW image of her after this one.
If I can help it, anyway.
I'm already getting the urge to just drop everything and make that instant-loss tickling image of her, but I'll do what I can to suppress that for now.
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>>3962924
Going by her description and how people want to see her, she would be more like Vegeta and less Mr Satan, by far one of the strongest characters in their own story, but always getting into fights with the few characters that can make them job
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>>3962926
I'm more at peace with that. Just feels like doing her dirty giving her the shu treatment.I think she's really cool from what little we've seen and the recent stuff Naranjanon told us about her
>>3962925
You're doing gods work, even if it's a god that scares me anon, so I'm not gonna complain about your art.While she does call off the date apparently, would Val accept the date if she wasn't cool/bad ass to him in some way?
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>>3962928
>You're doing gods work, even if it's a god that scares me anon, so I'm not gonna complain about your art.
I wouldn't call it a god, but it scares me too.
I'll do what I can to hold it back while I try and get work done on relatively normal things, but I get the feeling I'm not done with Luzma just yet.
>While she does call off the date apparently, would Val accept the date if she wasn't cool/bad ass to him in some way?
Huh?
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>>3962930
I'm referring to how naranja anon said there was a date with her in the game, but she calls off the date as soon as she learns that Val is underage.
Then I was saying that on Vals side of things, for him to accept the date, he had to see her as cool or strong in some way. If she got turned into the undergrounds biggest jobber, surely Val wouldn't be interested in female mr. satan
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>>3962932
>I'm referring to how naranja anon said there was a date with her in the game, but she calls off the date as soon as she learns that Val is underage.
Extremely based of her, good.
>Then I was saying that on Vals side of things, for him to accept the date, he had to see her as cool or strong in some way. If she got turned into the undergrounds biggest jobber, surely Val wouldn't be interested in female mr. satan
Maybe in an alternate scenario (in which Val is an adult or at least the same age as Luzma) he could see her as someone he could help improve despite her flaws.
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>>3962933
Oh god, I've ruined this character forever haven't I?
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>>3962465
Thank you very much, and I'm happy that you liked it.It's also something of a relief. I wasn't completely certain about how I would write Ceroba and Starlo in the Steamworks with Clover, and the vent section was originally planned to be a minor diversion on the way to Guardener. It only occurred to me after I started chewing on the scene just how stupidly dangerous and scary that would be to somebody who had never done it before and didn't have do-overs. Hence why Clover glosses over the first vent section mentally/narratively in the prior chapter.
Playing on Guardener's memory is, at least, something that was planned for a while. I always wished UTY did more with her line, "Life was much better not knowing."
If I may impose on you for more of your thoughts, what is your opinion on Starlo in this section? Ceroba will naturally get more time since the Steamworks is her area in canon and Starlo had the spotlight in his town, but I don't want him to feel like he's a just... there.
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>>3962859
>It’s actually more complicated to track than I first thought because apparently the screenshots weren’t directly taken from here and posted into the subreddit, i heard that they had been posted on a discord server and then taken from there, so there are a few degrees of separation.
but reddit is public, so surely you should be able to link them
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>>3962936
Nah, I think most people still see her a cool/cute, this is no different from the shitposts like Ceroba being an abusive alcoholic or Chujin being a racist femboy, people can make jokes about those but still treat them like serious characters depending on the conversation
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>>3962942
>I'm not actually "upset" by your posts. I'm smiling over here as I 'desperately' ask you to spare her dignity.
I know, but every post I see about it makes it that much harder for me to resist making a second image of her getting wrecked straight away, and I'm supposed to be working on Martlet's talons instead.
>She's a cool hottie.
Isn't she?
I tried to make her body look decent in that image, a bit more muscular than I typically do, so she could at least have that going for her.
Or maybe that just feeds into my desire to see her strength rendered useless in the face of something as absurd and silly as tickling...
Sigh.
If nothing else, I'll try and make her look very cool as she does the Thumb Pose the next time I see fit to inflict such things on her.
Even if I do plan on making things much, much worse for her that time.
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>>3962944
I do get the joke, but I like the idea of her taking him in being without ulterior motives. Being kind of hands off as a "Parent" she doesn't even consider herself Vals Parent, and just makes sure he has a place to live.
The tax evasion thing also gives me the funny thought of her being completely fine buying Val necessities and whatever a kid needs, but giving money to the government is just crossing a line for her.
"what? oh you need money for a field trip or something? sure knock yourself out. Anyways can you BELIEVE that they charge something called "sales tax" up here?"
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>>3962920
This is probably the last post where I should reveal silly trivia, but its too related to the topic to ignore, Three Days Grace is one of the bands I image being among Luzma's favorites, alongside Likin Park and Skillet.She used to watch/make AMVs when young which is where she got most of her ideas for aura farming, she probably sees herself in those videos now.
>>3962949
>giving money to the government is just crossing a line for her.
So about the tax evasion jokesone of the main reasons why Luzma doesn't pay her taxes is because part of that money goes to the royal guard
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>>3962951
>So about the tax evasion jokes
Interesting, I didn't consider that even with the context you provided recently.
I wonder if she'd consider paying taxes more willingly on the surfaceand then see how absolutely terribly all of our public institutions are managed
What if Val were asking for that field trip money, and she thought he was trying to pull a fast one on her because obviously the field trip should be covered by her taxes
>the first spoilers
Ah, the perfect woman I see.
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>>3962951
>Three Days Grace is one of the bands I image being among Luzma's favorites, alongside Likin Park and Skillet.
>She used to watch/make AMVs when young which is where she got most of her ideas for aura farming, she probably sees herself in those videos now.
I've already said how much I love the way you make your characters, but god damn, Luzma might just be my favorite UTN character now.
Dark desires aside, anyway.
On an unrelated note, does she happen to have a full facesprite sheet I can take a look at?
Just curious.
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>>3962952
>What if Val were asking for that field trip money, and she thought he was trying to pull a fast one on her because obviously the field trip should be covered by her taxes
Val is used to getting money by himself, but in the hypothetical case he asked Luzma for money, she could give him some, the "Luz Mala" is very picky about who gets to see their treasure, but if Luzma has adopted Val then that means she trusts him enough to not doubt him.
>>3962953
>On an unrelated note, does she happen to have a full facesprite sheet I can take a look at?
I made this one a while ago, it'll probably look different in the final game, I'm not a fan of how her "hair" looks in these.
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>>3962956
>"Luz Mala"
interesting, I know you said she was based on a version of wisps but I'll have to read up on this.
Then maybe instead of doubt it would be more surprise
"the fuck you mean you're schools not paying for it, then why do I pay them taxes?" this time without any doubt angled towards Val.
>Val is used to getting money by himself
Not surprising, maybe he was hit with the fact that he'd need money last minute.
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>>3962956
>I made this one a while ago, it'll probably look different in the final game, I'm not a fan of how her "hair" looks in these.
Fair enough, though I think the expressions are still pretty good actually.
Honestly, it's impressive how much expression some of these convey, particularly the ones with just her eye visible.
For example, that top left one is pretty good as an intimidating stare or something, and that second one at the bottom...
Ah.
Well, I tried.
Looks like it's time to get to work.
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>>3962959
>"the fuck you mean you're schools not paying for it, then why do I pay them taxes?" this time without any doubt angled towards Val.
Yeah, I can see her going to his school to ask about this after giving Val the money, Luzma rarely doubts the people she considers to be good friends.
>Not surprising, maybe he was hit with the fact that he'd need money last minute.
Well, if this is post pacifist thenVal probably wants to avoid using his usual methods to get money
>>3962960
>Honestly, it's impressive how much expression some of these convey, particularly the ones with just her eye visible.
Despite how paradoxical it might sound, cyclops characters with no mouth can show a great amount of expression, it might be because you are putting extra focus on what that single big eye is expressing, since there is nothing else to go by, its why I made her cyclops in the first place.
>Looks like it's time to get to work.
I feel like I've shown free crack to a recovering addict.
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>>3962966
I imagine a large number of anons wont have proper time to play and give feedback until tonight/this weekend honestly.
You mentioned that its best to start day two over to see everything, does it give you the option kind of like deltarune does to just pick up from day twos start?
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>>3962964
>Despite how paradoxical it might sound, cyclops characters with no mouth can show a great amount of expression, it might be because you are putting extra focus on what that single big eye is expressing, since there is nothing else to go by, its why I made her cyclops in the first place.
I know, a decent few characters I like only have their eyes visible, I just think you pulled it off really well here, even if you don't like the sprites themselves much.
I like that face in the top right, I feel like it's giving off a good "thinking" expression or something similar, not quite sure how to put it.
>I feel like I've shown free crack to a recovering addict.
I mostly asked for any facesprites she had just for future reference, thinking I could use them for drawings later on, but I'll be honest, my heart skipped a beat when I first saw her laughing expression.
I should've expected that, given how laughing was emphasized to be a big part of how she acts, but actually seeing it was something else entirely.
It's too good, her expression is too well done, I have to do something with this immediately.
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>>3962968
yes, if you have a save file with a chapter 1 clear, it lets you just start a new file from chapter 2 directlyor just type the konami code (up up down down left right left right X Z C) in the file select menu to unlock all chapters if you dont have any, it will play the file select jingle if you did it right. then just select a blank file and it should show the chapter selection
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>>3962964
>Well, if this is post pacifist then
I had a feeling there was something important like that unsaid. Goodness, even if pacifist is the most unlikely route for him, I still want to wish the best for the little punk.
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>>3962971
>I just think you pulled it off really well here, even if you don't like the sprites themselves much.
Oh no, I do like them, I just think the "hair" needs more work, it looks somewhat short compared to her overworld sprite.
>I like that face in the top right, I feel like it's giving off a good "thinking" expression or something similar, not quite sure how to put it.
My personal favorite is the third row fourth column, I like drawing goofy faces like that.
>It's too good, her expression is too well done, I have to do something with this immediately.
I'll take that as a compliment, I just know none can stop you know.
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>>3962971
>but I'll be honest, my heart skipped a beat when I first saw her laughing expression.
Anon working on establishing a fixation for each undertale time period.
Really putting the human version of Ji thing to work.
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>>3962980
>Oh no, I do like them, I just think the "hair" needs more work, it looks somewhat short compared to her overworld sprite.
Ah, I see.
I'm actually not sure how you'd address that without fundamentally changing the scale of the facesprites themselves, other than making it so that it looks like her "hair" is being cut off by the textbox itself, so it's only showing part of her head and not the whole thing.
>My personal favorite is the third row fourth column, I like drawing goofy faces like that.
That one is pretty funny, yeah.
>I'll take that as a compliment,
It is.
I meant what I said, it's a good expression, it's just one that happens to tick all the right boxes to turn me from a freak into an even bigger freak.
So, well done, I guess.
If it's any consolation, I do really like your characters on a writing level, as I've said before, I just seem to be unable to control certain desires when thinking about them.
I'll try and exercise just a bit more restraint once I finish this current work, I don't think the idea of Luzma screaming with laughter in this particular sense ought to be a running thing.
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>>3962981
I think "immortal pervert" is more Master Roshi's thing.
Besides, this is one of those things I could apply to any character from any time, I just happened to give into it with Luzma.Had I the time to workshop how I might go about it, I could easily see Reynault having been the victim of my desires instead.
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>>3962984
>If it's any consolation, I do really like your characters on a writing level, as I've said before, I just seem to be unable to control certain desires when thinking about them.
>I'll try and exercise just a bit more restraint once I finish this current work, I don't think the idea of Luzma screaming with laughter in this particular sense ought to be a running thing.
Well, as always, no matter how freaky your drawings might be, they are still fanart at the end of the day, and I greatly appreciate all the time and effort that goes into making them
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>>3962987
Ah, I'm glad you aren't put-off by it.
I'll try and do a normal image of one of your characters to show my appreciation for them someday, I swear.
Also, I just thought I should mention this, but somehow the completely untagged post of my Luzma image on twitter has more likes than the relatively fleshed-out and pretty objectively higher quality Quetzali image that came before it.
I don't know what to make of this.
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I'm actually really enjoying drawing Luzma's little wispy tail thing.
I'm curious what people outside of these threads will think of her, and the various other original fangame characters from these threads, once all of these become more widespread someday.
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>>3962918
>implying you can't lewd femshu
We only don't out of cowardiceI'm completely on board with not putting 4chan!Shu in a fangame or bugging the original creator with this stuff but I don't think lewding Shu, fem or otherwise, is a step too far. Rule 34 etc etc
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>>3963002
>Luzma is hotter than Quetzali
Anon!
For me in particular though, yeah, Luzma's definitely my favorite from UTN. Good characterization, mannerisms, strong, great visual design, and the fact that she laughs at everything makes great fodder for my fantasies ofhaving her beg desperately for mercy between hysterical laughter as I scratch at her armpits and belly for hours and hours, lovingly teasing her the whole time to break down her ego.
Okay, went a little bit further with that one than I should've.
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>>3963003
I think making porn of some kid's random reddit OC is asking for troubles, if it were a random OC from here or from a known +18 artist I would see no problem, but lewding Shu does feel like a step too far, even if the idea might be funny
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>>3963005
>having her beg desperately for mercy between hysterical laughter as I scratch at her armpits and belly for hours and hours, lovingly teasing her the whole time to break down her ego
Careful anon, it sounds like you might be falling for another scrimblo
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>>3963021
That's an interesting way to describe wanting to torture her and break her down.
Anyway, I think this is mostly just lust primarily, I haven't found myself conjuring up oddly specific romantic fantasies or anything, so I think I'll be fine as long as I just get this and the other image of her done quickly.
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>>3963005
>Great visual design
Luzma might have the best design among the main cast, funnily enough, she's the character that took me the least amount of time to design, I did her overworld sprites and portraits in a single day, when it usually takes me much longer to get the characters to look the way I want, I still made some tweeks to her design overtime, but nothing too drastic compared to my other characters.
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>>3963025
>but I guess that's how it always starts, huh?
First its fantasizing about breaking her. Then its thinking about her laughing at your funeral. Everyone else just staring at her thinking she's being rude or uncaring. She laughs even harder, because the person who would understand why she was laughing is gone.
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>>3963025
Who knows, maybe one day you'll want to break her down, but over a longer period of time, teasing her about her corny side, her teasing you for getting drunk on wine, which is like drinking milk for fire elementals, you telling her you find her laugher cute and not intimidating at all, getting Luzma to open up about her past (whatever made her disrepect the royal guard so much), aura farming as a cool villain duo, the sky's the limit when it comes to scrimblos
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>>3963030
>Then its thinking about her laughing at your funeral.
The funny thing is that I actually did just have a moment where I felt something more towards her, but it was much less of a leap than that was.
I'm afraid you jumped the shark just a bit anon, can't quite hurt me with that just yet.
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>>3962832
Dunno if this is a bug or not but themirror puzzle in the archives, even though there's dedicated thin walls for the light, the light just...goes through all walls anyways. I revisited the area after completing it and I could use one of the Kanako-side mirrors to reflect the light coming from all the way at the start of the room, with no other mirror movements
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>>3963031
Heh.
That's pretty good.
I guess I wouldn't mind being with her if I somehow could be.Though personally I find how she's said to laugh to be a bit more than "cute", but we've already established that I'm the odd one out in pretty much all contexts.
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>>3963034
Well, I do like her a bit, but I think I'm still warming up to her.
Who knows, maybe by the time I finish this drawing, I'll be like one of those guys who comments "*unties her*" on DiD images, but for my own work, somehow.
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>>3963033
is it really all walls or only some parts? not all walls have the colliders to block light mostly because I was too lazy to add it on all of them, and I was sure that only the main areas would be blocked. I will give it a check later
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>>3963037
>Are you warming up to her, or is she warming up for you?
Going off of what I know about her so far, I don't think she'd warm up to me like that if she knew what I wanted to do with her.
Unless she's also a massive freak, in which case that changes everything.
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>>3963035
>Though personally I find how she's said to laugh to be a bit more than "cute"
I was trying to come up with cute interactions, but now I wonder how would Luzma react if you told her you find her laughter to be hot, obviously she would laugh at first, but what kind of laugh would it be? And would that make her self conscious about laughing near you? Maybe she starts to tease you by giggling softly, or who knows, perhaps she doesn't laugh for the first time... Only to burst into her life's biggest laughter
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>>3963044
She'd laugh at them duh, but being a fire elemental she has probably heard more fire puns like anyone, she either enjoys them like sans or finds them annoying, now I imagine Luzma laughing, but its a really bothered laugh, like this is one of the times she wishes she could control it at all
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>>3963049
Fuck.
Yeah, okay, I like her now.
I'll have to do something normal-ish with her sometime, after I'm done committing my current atrocity against her.
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>>3962911
>Anon getting possessed by the CBT demon
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>>3963038
I'm not sure if all walls, but I think it was a decent amount of them.
Also, while I likeDark Sentinelas an enemy, its combo attacks with Gearzerd are sometimes just straight up impossible to dodge I'm pretty sure.
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okay I fixed it, led me down a rabbit hole until I found the root cause which was a function I set up for a puzzle later just because I didn't want to manually set some values, but the mirror room was the one room it shouldn't do that
amazed I didn't catch it in my playtests (one of my playtesters had notified me but I thought it was only in a specific wall and I ignored it as a minor thing)
>its combo attacks with Gearzerd are sometimes just straight up impossible to dodge I'm pretty sure.
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Man, I fucking speedrunned having feelings for Luzma, I just imaginedhaving her tied up in bed and tickling her for hours on end, roleplaying as some villain that's captured her as she begs for mercy, then doing aftercare with her as I untie her and bring her something to drink, holding her in my arms as she weakly laughs as she recomposes herself.
This is why I tried to keep this particular kink suppressed, it gets way too hard to think with images like that flashing in my head.
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How many UT/DR aura farmers do we have now?
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>>3963062
Yeah, the tickling is mostly just a sadism thing on my part, but for characters I really like, it goes from wanting to see it as actual torture intended to break them, to something more tame like what I described, aftercare and all.
I do still just really like the idea of such a strong character being "broken down", but instead of actually mentally breaking them, they just lose their composure to something as silly as tickling, which I just find cute.The more I thought about it, I found myself thinking about actually preparing to engage in such things with her, watching her go from being completely confident that she can withstand being tickled, to sheepishly asking me to be gentle once I had her stripped and bound. I like the idea of verbally teasing her while I work her over, not like actually being mean to her, but just calling her cute and such as she absolutely melts from what I'm doing to her.
Like I said, this is one of the stranger things I'm into, and it definitely has a stronger hold over me than most other things.
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>Three Days Grace is one of the bands I image being among Luzma's favorites, alongside Likin Park and Skillet.
>She used to watch/make AMVs when young which is where she got most of her ideas for aura farming, she probably sees herself in those videos now.
How did we end up making the same character? Seriously, I even imagine his boss fight theme as being Feint.
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>>3963059
Shufag may claim to be an adult, but Im not going to trust his word on that.
>First of all, he'd have no clue if it ever did happen.
There are redditors around here at any given moment anon.shufag has even seen that hes called shufag. They lurk, not to learn the culture but because 4chan is genuinely spooky to these people
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I went looking around after the talk earlier about crossposters.They have a discord where occasionally one of them braves 4chan to see what crazy things we get up to. In general the vast majority of them are too afraid to even google 4chan and talk about it like fox news used to 20 years ago. Its for the best to ignore them like always but I got curious about the screenshots from here going around.
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>>3963074
Thanks anon, I'm still making my way through the chapter, it's HUGE. Think I'm nearing the end but I'll save that for tomorrow, then I'll get to work on 1- Toster's boss theme 2- A text file with grammar/spelling errors that I'll upload to a rentry later I guess
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Top 10 scariest 4chan post
Spoiler for very scary
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>...and then someone posted Clover's soul going up Martlet's beef 'n cheddar
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>>3963088
It's pretty much exactly how youre imagining it, and it was funny seeing them stumble around explaining the origins of the drawanons bird clover. There's nothing else to say though really, and there's nothing to be gained looking any further, but ironically our local drawfags do a lot of heavy lifting in making this place seem like the devils domain to them.
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>>3963069
Yeah, I guess that's the root of it for me, in a variety of different ways.
Sometimes it's wanting to see a strong character made weakened and vulnerable, other times it's wanting to be the one weakened and vulnerable.
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>>3963093
Anons go into walls of text over all sorts of silly things, not counting the people who were making those almost artificial posts on the topic, so for me its just watching the gears of autism grind forth. My tastes are probably more vanilla than 90 percent of the thread so its just a very "it is what it is" when it comes to the topics you can get people going on.
Ultimately I'd rather have a dumb as hell conversation with peopme that are passionate about the topic, than talk with people who are too afraid to speak wrongly you know?
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>>3963100
Didn't say you can't post them, I will continue to ignore them outside of a context like this.
I'm just saying the foreverally delitized type posts are annoying, and I'd assume actively offputting to anyone snooping as usual in these threads from out of town.
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>>3963102
If you look for all the secrets and do all battles? If it is just Ch2, probably 5 hours.
If you are REALLY bad at puzzles that might be 6-7. They are mostly fine, but don’t feel bad if you need to ask for help.
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>>3963107
Still can't tell you what to do, but if you don't want to end up like gacha fags in a hell of your own making I'd suggest you don't attempt to police the thread and select for people with an actively waning tolerance of or preference for fetish content.
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>>3963109
relying on the natural filter that's existed since the threads were first a thing is not policing the threads, and gacha threads are shit because gacha games are hardly games.
And besides, that stuff hasn't been a significant topic in several weeks, even with the drawanon dropping brand new art just the other day
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>>3963050
Testing, because I got IP rangebanned for some reason after Cloudflare stopped working on my browser. What an awful last few days
>Shufag may claim to be an adult, but Im not going to trust his word on that.
After finding out Angsty Lesbian Kanako DRY is made by a 26-year-old I no longer have disbelief for things like this, Shu is a lot less overtly underage than that
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>>3962937
sorry, been a busy day again.
for the vents, I thoughtthat you were going to glance over the danger to monsters and just make it less tangible. Not that you don't normally handle actual battle damage in fights or dangerous situations, but with how much you were talking about their hp and stats, I thought one of them was going to get burned and it would be a "oh oof ouch" no big deal. When She first got burned it made things very clear "oh this shit is absolutely serious" in a good way.
As for guardner and Axisaside from loving the bird a lot very much, Robots are something that I've always really liked. The interaction between Axis and Guardner made me feel like there's a greater connection between the two that the game could have done a lot with. the pauses in her actions felt meaningful, for a lack of better words
but as far as starlo is concernedhe feels a bit tacked on at times but he also feels important to the scenes. The hammer of guilt Ceroba felt when she lied to him was good, and just liking Starlo a lot myself, I enjoyed the moment where he let his accent slip, or how he charged into danger, but since at certain times it felt like he didn't get dialogue to not focus on him too much, it does feel like he is more in the background. The situation is very focused on The Robas thoughts, and her focus on the issues with the souls and Clovers terrifying stare, so what Starlo says and does kind of shrunk in comparison.
I think Starlo basically sums it up in his own words when he's calling into question why he came. He adds a lot to the scenes but it feels like he does that by being an accessory here in the steam works.
I guess my question to you is, normally in the steamworks Starlo isn't there right? So what's his presence going to change about things, for worse or maybe better? Not asking for spoilers, but he's a wildcard, so I'm curious what he could do for the plot here.
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>>3963113
>I can only warn you that this has never ended well.
what are you even talking about?
this is how the threads have been for 2 years now. The threads stay good because the overall focus is on creating things related to fangames, but weird topics have been around the entire time.
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>>3963105
I don't imagine he'd be into that sort of thing, honestly.That, and if he did ever manage to tie me up, I much more easily imagine that he'd just leave me wherever instead of actually doing anything.
Which would be very funny, but still.
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>>3963108
Honestly it is nice getting that kind of playtime out of things, I didnt feel frustrated at any point other than searching for the bell on chapter 1, despite how long I took, but thats still a long time.
Looking forward to it, gonna get some sleep and give it a swing in the morning
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>>3963114
Welcome back anon.
>I no longer have disbelief for things like this
Very understandable, and there's been much more powerful autists in their 30s 40s and 50s so it's not unbelievable, but still drawing porn of the character simply because he says he's an adult feels like an odd switch to flip or something.
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How beefy do you guys figure Luzma is?
Looking at her overworld sprite, she seems to have some decently sized arms, so I'm thinking I'll make her upperbody (yes, I know she's all upperbody, you know what I mean) still decently built.
That way at least she'll still look good even in the first panel, before she's promptly and completely humiliated in the second.
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Joking aside, I feel like that could make for a decent mechanic in-game when fighting her, like maybe if you don't have a certain item equipped, attacking her does damage to *you* every time you hit her, because you're literally punching fire.See, I thought ahead, that's why all those hands I drew were wearing flame retardant gloves.
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>>3963120
You're thinking of it from the opposite end; I want to see fem!4chan!Shu get instant loss'd and your concern of it being an underage kid's OC stops being a problem if the creator is an adult, which they claim to be.
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>>3963180
Well, I already made her arms pretty buff, so now I just need to learn how to do abs.
Thanks for the input, I'll get right on it.
I also gave her some decent thighs, somehow, despite not having legs in any real sense.
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>>3963064
>Kris, The Knight, Darkblade and Luzma
I think that would be all of them, not counting one of the characters I haven't revealed yet.
>>3963067
They have similarities, but beyond the edgelord stuff, from what I know, Darkblade doesn't enjoy making people cringe with his corniness.
My main inspiration for Luzma were characters from Hack n' Slash/Character Action games like Dante/Vergil, Raiden and Ryu Hayabusa and less anime edgelords, but her being into AMVs felt natural so I added that detail,
I'm sure both characters will end up being pretty different once we see them in their games, but it's impossible to ignore that similarity.
>>3963122
I only realized how thick her arms looked long after making the sprite, but her being muscular would make sense taking into account her job and all.
>>3963124Leidenfrost effect with a Baki tier pseudoscientific explanation that gaslights you into thinking a single drop of sweat would allow you to grab lava with your bare handsnot really, but I thought it could make for a joke, seeing how Grillby doesn't burn everything around him, fire elementals must be able to control their own temperature, but I could add some gimmick for Luzma's fight, even if I had "contact damage" planned as a gimmick for other fights.
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>>3963200
>I only realized how thick her arms looked long after making the sprite, but her being muscular would make sense taking into account her job and all.
Ah, good.
I like her being a bit more muscular, for already stated reasons, but I have taken a few other creative liberties as well, such as putting a bit more detail at the end of her tail thing, and what I'm going to refer to as "ghost thighs".
Anywho, most of the important stuff for the sketch is done, so I should be able to finish it off the next time I work on it, hopefully.
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>>3963115Starlo was a very last-second inclusion. When I was writing Flowey's POV at the end of Chapter 13 and how he saw Ceroba leave town in pursuit, I thought it would be strange that nobody would notice her going and say anything. So, Starlo found his way into the Steamworks with Ceroba, since he didn't have the time to wreck his relationship with his posse and he wouldn't just let her--or Clover for that matter--go into a dangerous place alone.
But, however confident I am in the reasoning for including him, I do struggle to find things for him to do. I've kinda used him as a pressure valve for Ceroba and an additional moral compass, stopping her from getting herself getting attacked or killed by antagonizing Clover. First it was the aborted murder attempt that I implied, back when Clover had his arm locked down in the Axis encounter, then it was stopping Ceroba from just letting Clover go into the vent section solo and openly hoping for something bad to happen. He is, ironically, enabling Ceroba's plans by stopping her opportunistic behavior from hurting her and giving her the opportunity to build trust early.
Or at least, that's what I'm going for. What I actually put on the page is different from what I think I did.
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>>3963275
remember the gamejolt version is the most up to date one including a few bug fixes that the catbox version doesn't have
also already seeing people getting stuck on the archive puzzles, I might have gone too hard on them
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I attempted to go to sleep, but after multiple hours of laying bed awake, it looks like that's not happening today.
At the very least, I spent some time thinking about what it would be like to fall asleep cuddling with Luzma, and had the mental image of an anon holding Luzma in his arms while he wears a welding mask to block out her light so he can sleep.
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New cooking with kindness update, they'll start doing weekly updates until the demo drops
https://gamejolt.com/p/weekly-update-posts-announcement-art-by-sockhea d-vb4iqthf
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>At the very least, I spent some time thinking about what it would be like to fall asleep cuddling with Luzma, and had the mental image of an anon holding Luzma in his arms while he wears a welding mask to block out her light so he can sleep.
Reminds me of this fanart someone made because one anon commented the idea of Luzma not being able to control her flames when hugging or kissing, which explains the anon being covered in bandages, I also like the idea of the wielding mask, its kinda cute, maybe sunglasses would help too, if she has some form of control over her flames' brightness
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>>3963349
>Reminds me of this fanart someone made because one anon commented the idea of Luzma not being able to control her flames when hugging or kissing, which explains the anon being covered in bandages
I think it may be implied that they were doing a little more than just hugging or kissing.
>I also like the idea of the wielding mask, its kinda cute, maybe sunglasses would help too, if she has some form of control over her flames' brightness
Yeah, I doubt she'd be luminescent enough to actually warrant a welding mask, but the idea of her sleeping peacefully in an anon's arms while the anon has to wear that mask just to avoid having his sleep disturbed was kinda cute to me.
I guess I just like the idea of going to such a length to be able to sleep with her like that, the dedication or something, I dunno.
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>>3963109
I'm against policing the thread at all, which is the main reason I'm in favor of not kicking out the fetishists. Since the only way to remove them would be act like a bunch of wannabe jannies. Them repelling redditors is just a side effect.
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>>3963365
Oh.
I didn't really plan on that one being saved anywhere in particular, but cool, I guess.
Appreciate the "wide hips" tag though, glad my efforts to give big hips to something that doesn't even have a cohesive lower body weren't in vain.
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>>3963200
>not counting one of the characters I haven't revealed yet.
There's more? Well I'm eager to meet them. Maybe we can arrange an aura farming tournament once they're all accounted for.
>, from what I know, Darkblade doesn't enjoy making people cringe with his corniness
Correct. In fact, being a teenager, he hates anything "cringe" and can't abide the idea of being called cringe.
Does Luzma enjoy intentionally making people cringe?
>My main inspiration for Luzma were characters from Hack n' Slash/Character Action games like Dante/Vergil, Raiden and Ryu Hayabusa
They are for Darkblade as well, just not the primary inspiration. For example, I imagine he tries to put on a voice like Raiden, but fails because he's a kid who doesn't have the vocal range for it.
>not really, but I thought it could make for a joke, seeing how Grillby doesn't burn everything around him, fire elementals must be able to control their own temperature, but I could add some gimmick for Luzma's fight
If its a fight, she probably would make her body hot to intentionally burn him. Maybe Val's determination makes that effect real, so you have an act where he has to get his hands wet before he attacks. Could even have Luzma tell him its not gonna work, then be absolutely baffled when it does.
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>There's more? Well I'm eager to meet them
I already said I might have made a cast too big for my own skill, but I still want to try to make it, I have sprites for 2 characters "ready" (more ready than the Zaer sprite I first showed) but I think it would be for the best to save them until you see them in game, there's 2 other important characters besides the ones already shown and mentioned, but I don't have sprites for them yet.
>Maybe we can arrange an aura farming tournament once they're all accounted for.
Maybe some day, who knows, the other fangames in development could include their own aura farmers.
>In fact, being a teenager, he hates anything "cringe" and can't abide the idea of being called cringe.
Yeah, sounds like a teenager, perhaps once he becomes an adult he'll be able to "own" the cringe, but giving his situation that seems complicated.
>Does Luzma enjoy intentionally making people cringe?
Luzma doesn't aim to make others cringe with her act, she does think she's the coolest fighter in the Underground (besides Six Eyes), but when Luzma makes others cringe she doesn't care, or sees it as a bonus if the one cringing is an enemy, Luzma's not the type to make compromises on who she is.
>If its a fight, she probably would make her body hot to intentionally burn him. Maybe Val's determination makes that effect real, so you have an act where he has to get his hands wet before he attacks. Could even have Luzma tell him its not gonna work, then be absolutely baffled when it does.
That's the angle I was going for with the Leidenfrost explanation, its exactly the type of bullshit you'd see in Baki, where an actual phenomena is used to justify an over the top technique, like Baki thinking he's water, which allows his body to move as if it were literal liquid, getting the ability to accelerate like how cockroaches do.
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>But, however confident I am in the reasoning for including him, I do struggle to find things for him to do.
on one hand,he hasn't had his come to jesus moment he has in uty proper, but on the other hand, he's had it in some different ways with how his interactions with Clover went down before leaving the wild east. Maybe consider seeing how some of his virtues will play into his conflict coming up. It's still insane to me that people forget how he stands up to the Roba multiple times when he realizes she's going off the deep end
But yeah, he's definitely appearing as that extra moral compass, and the things he's saying makes perfect sense, such as him being the driving force behind Clover not going through the vents at first.
I can see how he's enabling the situation and like I said, he's definitely adding to the scenes by being there, it's just mostly he's adding to it by causing the other characters to do something. I just think that, even when his Larp falls off, people forget how much of a man of action Starlo actually is. I'd say that Starlo is more willing to take meaningful action than "north star" is if that makes any sense at all.
Like I said before, the tension is building really nicely, and it seems like this may lead up to Ceroba taking action in her own way, I just can't image him not also taking action when it comes down to it. I felt like the interaction him and clover had back at the town when he faked the death, did the normal games job of making him realize he'd been going a bit too far in his fucking around.
That's just my read on things and my thoughts so far. I don't think it was handled poorly by any stretch, I just can't imagine him staying very passive.
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>>3963535
I wasn't saying he wasn't. I'm neither confirming nor denying stuff like that. Just saying people still can get more mature from life experience, even if there isn't any actual biological changes happening. It may or may not not happen, but the door is open for it to happen.
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>>3963540
I show up for my own sake, but I keep going for them. There's absolutely no hope for me it seems. Total scrimblo brain rot.I may or may not have thought of what a scrimblo would say to avoid skipping though.Even then, if I were in my best shape, I don't see keeping up with wiki as realistic. if she's a scout, used to running around in her armor, a marathon would be easy to her.
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>I show up for my own sake, but I keep going for them. There's absolutely no hope for me it seems. Total scrimblo brain rot.
I share similar feelings.
I work out from home, but thoughts of these various characters that have come to fill the space of my mind keep me pushing myself forward, physically and mentally.
Naruto toothbrush post, you know how it is.
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>>3963549
I thought of her being shocked and proud when I make it twice as far on the next marathon before collapsing. I already do a variety of machines and freeweights to keep things fresh, I'll probably do the stairs sometime.
>>3963553
>Naruto toothbrush post, you know how it is.
that post came to mind last time I went swimming.
It could be worse after all, I could just be endlessly scrolling short videos until my brain goes numb. Not even having scrimblo thoughts to comfort me.
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>>3963558
>that post came to mind last time I went swimming.
Yes, I find thinking of that post to be useful in certain times.
A light, if nothing else.
>It could be worse after all, I could just be endlessly scrolling short videos until my brain goes numb. Not even having scrimblo thoughts to comfort me.
Indeed, we could be much worse.
Like that one conversation a number of threads back, as long as you're doing good, the fact that you're doing it for something so ridiculous is besides the point.
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It's in the eye, there's a certain expression it carries that just works really well, especially for this.
Oh well.
The work continues.
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>>3963590
The probably have something like fire resistant potions on the underground, there has to be monsters that tried to fuck fire elementals without being fire proof themselves, there's also the posibility of you gaslithing yourself into believing you dick can't be burnt, if Val can create a shadow clone with sheer imagination, something that simple should work, right?
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Well, it's not like the power of belief hasn't worked in the original UT either, so I see no reason it wouldn't work here.
I'll simply use the power of hopes and dreams to reinforce my dick so I can fuck Luzma unscathed.And then be turned into the Half Life 2 charple model by the following cuddling/aftercare with her.
Worth it.
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>>3963602
>be turned into the Half Life 2 charple model by the following cuddling/aftercare with her.
I don't know if a mandatory aftercare session everytime you try to do something fun with Luzma would be a positive, or a negative, but it does sound nice, at least for the first time
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Now that I think about it, it probably wouldn't be necessary each and every time, but I like to imagine she'd feel really nice and warm immediately after climaxing, so cuddling at least after normal sex with her would probably be really nice.
You know, "afterglow" and all.
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Yeah, I was thinking of that earlier, it sounds great.
A blanket would still be nice though, keeps the heat in more closely, and gives you something to wrap yourselves in as you huddle together.
It must be heavenly getting to feel her warmth as you fall asleep in her arms...
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>It must be heavenly getting to feel her warmth as you fall asleep in her arms...
Fuck, now I'm starting to fall for her too, I remember people here talking about how fire elementals would feel soft to the touch, since they are technically made of air too
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>>3963625
Ah, solutions.
So, whenever your dick gets a bit too melted, she can use some green magic to heal you right back up.
Provided she isn't too distracted by the pleasure to forget to actually do it, or to control her temperature.
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>>3963623
It's like you don't even want to be completely bandaged up from your terrible injuries. To then recover, only to go right back to her arms, showing that you aren't afraid to love her even if it's dangerous.
For her to be laughing because she thought you'd leave her as soon as you got better. Only for her laughter to become happy and uncontrolled as you pull her close to you once more.
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>>3963628
>Fuck, now I'm starting to fall for her too
Yeah, I was surprised how quickly I started liking her, certain specific details aside.
>I remember people here talking about how fire elementals would feel soft to the touch, since they are technically made of air too
Hm.
I guess that's how fire works, sure.
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>>3963630
>It's like you don't even want to be completely bandaged up from your terrible injuries.
I like how this is just a sentence by itself, separate from the other parts.
Yeah, I'd prefer not to have full-body third degree burns if I could help it, believe it or not.
>To then recover, only to go right back to her arms, showing that you aren't afraid to love her even if it's dangerous.
For her to be laughing because she thought you'd leave her as soon as you got better.
Hah, yes, the idea of going back to her and showing that I don't hold anything against her after that is nice, you've got me there.
Then again, most of the characters I like are capable and/or willing to hurt me in some capacity, so I guess that's not really news.
>Only for her laughter to become happy and uncontrolled as you pull her close to you once more.
I also do like the idea of her laughing with uncontrolled joy as I embrace her after recovering.
Certain proclivities aside, I just like the idea of her laughter having multiple contexts to it, and the idea of hearing it when she's really happy is just a really nice thought.
Boy, almost makes me feel bad about what I'm doing right now.
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Also I know this isn't specifically a dry thing but stepping outside and hearing the wild east music brings back good feelings. As a whole, the music from the wild east is the best, even if certain other tracks are better than any single wild east song.
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>Certain proclivities aside, I just like the idea of her laughter having multiple contexts to it, and the idea of hearing it when she's really happy is just a really nice thought.
Knowing her long enough to tell apart her different kinds of laughter, maybe even better than she can at times.
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>Knowing her long enough to tell apart her different kinds of laughter, maybe even better than she can at times.
I think I'm too tired to properly articulate or convey how I feel about this, but it reminds me of some of the stuff that was said yesterday regarding how I in particular feel about her laugh.
I do still kinda like the idea of her knowingly playing into how I feel about it, I feel like I could see her doing that, depending.
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>my most popular one is the one of kanako meeting cole
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>>3963368
Pale Moon, a browser based on an older build of Firefox
Some major sites don't work well with it so I have regular Firefox as a secondary browser but I don't like using Firefox because of how bloated it is and how much RAM it uses up compared to PM
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>>3963687
I use Palemoon too. Though describing it as based on an older build of Firefox isn't entirely accurate. It started life as a fork of a Firefox with a lot of custom modifications, like Waterfox, but ended up developing more and more of its own unique codebase until the Quantum update happened to Firefox, at which point it became an entirely independent codebase. Its similar to older versions of Firefox, but its evolved into its own thing.
Something like Mypal68 is what I would consider to be more accurately described as "based on an old version of Firefox".
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I think the scarf's movement seems a little stiff, like it's an organic appendage that's moving according to an anatomical structure, as opposed to a loose piece of fabric that's flowing with the wind or something.
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I was able to get about 2-ish hours of sleep (making that a total of 2-ish hours within the last 36-ish hours I've spent awake) by imagining being dazed and disoriented, being held in Luzma's arms as she uses her gentle warmth to soothe me to sleep.
I am so tired.
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I can't sleep just yet, it'll put me back into a worse cycle if I do it now.
And apparently my previous sleep cycle was pretty bad, given that I flat-out missed being able to sleep the last time I tried to go to bed at a relatively normal time.
And I still wanna get this thing done.
You're right though, I'll try my best to get some sleep as soon as the window is right.
Maybe I'll actually catch it this time.
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Alright, I gave the scarf thing a second go, I made it more jagged to give it a more flame-like look, but I think I made it look more like a tentacle, I kinda like it better this way tho, also I got lazy with the double.
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Also, this little mock up of how "turning on" the scarf would look.
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NTA, but this looks pretty good.
I think the motion of it was the biggest issue it had.
I like that animation for the scarf "turning on", it reminds me of the energy sword in halo 2 kinda.
I do think that second animation for the scarf might look a bit better with that second end of the scarf being made to overlap with the first end a bit more, since both ends would be coming from about the same place and therefore wouldn't look so separated from each other.[Insert joke about you animating Luzma being turned on here]
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Well, I'm glad to know someone besides me thinks this is an improvement, I'll try to keep in mind that bit about raising the second end.
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>>3963826
Holy shit, perfect.
Man, Luzma might just be one of my favorite characters to come out of these threads lately.
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Naranjadev, if you're still here, just wanted to ask, are the little dots on Luzma's neck-thing, whatever that is, are those meant to form a cohesive pattern of some kind?
Because I kinda assumed it was meant to be the Delta Rune when I started working on this drawing, but I don't wanna fully commit to that if that's not what that is.
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Its meant to be a neck guard with holes on it like a heatsink.
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>>3963999
Huh.
Man, I don't think anyone got that, every fan depiction of her I've seen thus far (which, granted, is like, three) has it as a piece of cloth or something.
I think the orange is throwing people off on that one.
Well, it's too late for me to change that now, didn't expect that curveball, sorry.
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Alright, cool.
Like I said before, it's not like this is the only liberty I'm taking, even if this one was unintentional.
Against what I'm going to tentatively refer to as my better judgement, I've decided to stay up until I finish this image, since I technically got a bit of sleep for a few hours a while back after I cross the 26+ hour threshold, so it's probably fine to stay up a little bit longer just to get this done.
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>going blind after watching her cum from bouncing on it for the past five hours
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>>3963531I appreciate the feedback, and I've envisioned some extra stuff that should help him back to co-star status alongside Ceroba. As a fellow Starlo appreciator, I want to do better by him than canon UTY did. Which is why I made allusions in previous chapters to him getting his dual alongside Ceroba in the Justice Route, and that his posse got their own fight.And I agree with you about Starlo being more effectual than North Star. Bringing a BB gun to a life or death stand-off is quintessential North Star behavior. Getting ready to have a real, violent altercation with your lifelong friend and love interest in defense of the innocent? Based Starlo behavior.
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it does it automatically when going from light to dark world, but it needs the flag that was added to the fight so the game knows which, hence why by default it still converts to the necklace on existing save files. you can't really select which
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Guy writing out an Undertale AU quest. Been a while but I've been steadily spriting and writing out some more characters but, I need to write something out publicly because I keep rethinking thinks or letting the music I'm listening to influence my thoughts. I've even been getting too far ahead conceptualizing a Delta Rune follow up. In any case it'd also be nice to see what others think is interesting and to finally figure out names. I mentioned before that I used Undertale's characters, as they are in game and also just how people see them. So here's a list of some major characters with their influences.
Asgore -> Mantis Seer
Undyne -> Humanoid Boxer
Mettaton -> Robot Barber Surgeon
Gaster/Alphys -> Dead Human Scientist
Toriel/Muffett -> Vespid Beachcomber
Uncle Semi/Wing Ding -> Capt. Serif
Papyrus/Sans -> Allegro&Dom
Dummy/Mad Dummy -> Haunted armor
Gerson/Undyne -> Tree Man Skirmisher
and the I've tentatively named the soul Foresight.
Additionally, I've been thinking of making the weapon line
Driftwood -> Wooden Mallet -> Caestus -> Sling -> Spear -> Shotgun -> Chainsaw(Maybe on this one)
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>Getting ready to have a real, violent altercation with your lifelong friend and love interest in defense of the innocent? Based Starlo behavior.
Something I like, is that this came across as something that is natural to him as a person. Yeah he did it after he had his come to jesus moment in the story, but it doesn't feel quite like it's just because of that, but rather like it was also him being true to himself as a person. If that wording makes sense. I know him snapping out of his issues was important to him being true to himself, but it was already within him to do this kind of thing. Because that's who Starlo is.
>spoilers
the wholetwo on one dual with them, that was referenced earlier in the story wasn't it? I could have sworn it was this fic that made me think they actually had that encounter in the game before I had exposure to the genocide route myself but I may be mixing my memories up.
But I'm definitely excited to see what you've got cooking with them in mind. There's so much left that can be done with these characters beyond what we've seen with yellow itself. Last fic I read that had starlo join them in the steamworks just kind of dropped starlo out of the steamworks out of nowhere to do corn yaoi and I wanted to pull my hair out.
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>>3964230
NTA but was that the onewhere at the end Starlo fucks up and managed to fuse his soul to Clover, thus permanently messing up everyone's chance at getting the yellow soul as it would just disappear into nothing if gone too far away from one another?
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I don't think so. It started off strong with Starlofinding out that clover had in some way the powers to redo fights where he died, as he started getting the deja vu, and so he resolved after their fight to go with him to try and mitigate any potential deaths. It wasn't handled edgy, but rather like he was getting understandably protective. Then at some point Starlo got hurt pretty bad in the steamworks and ended up washed away to a river in snowdin where Dalv saved him. The entire plot that was going on with Clover then derailed for Corn yaoi pandering.
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Those lead you to criminal fights. I was expecting something akin tonecklace fight in day 1. Already captured all 3, I'm on the lookout if I haven't missed anything since the merchant in jail talks about shards from special fights as if it were regular deltarune.
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>>3964252the cloud shopkeeper points to both bunbun and the secret boss, though the secret boss hint isn't under rumors in that one
but if you want to know how to start the quest, then justuse the talk command in the archives elevator
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ahh then I must have stopped before it got to the part you mentioned. Yeah it probably wasn't even tagged with it but when the story stopped in its tracks to just awkwardly meander between the two, my senses picked up on it. I guess the story did eventually get back where it was going but I'm really not sure if it's going back and finishing.
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The threads of characters end up converging in New homewith Dalv meeting with Axis, watching the Chujin manifesto together for some reason, running from Roba who at this point still thought that Axis dusted Star since he pulled the vanishing trick back in the Steamworks. Then in New Home Star pulls Clover aside and is like "Hey, I know to get out of the Underground you need a monster soul so here is mine!" and just forces his own soul into Clover, making them into an amalgam, which then Flowey proceeds to do neutral route ending on. After that there is a reload since Flowey got bored that he couldnt separate/kill Starlo and Clover, then Clover offers up his soul but turns out its not working anymore as despite reloading, Star's and Clover's soul are forever linked on some deep level and if they go too far from one another Starlo begins to melt into goop and Clover's soul just starts to glitch out of existence. So Clover is sentenced to life in the Underground and is forced to live with Starlo.
Basically the entire plot after the point you left off.
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I just had an idea for an enemy. Gar-goyle, a monster made of stone with a chiseled physique. Greatly appreciates the male body (no homo). Its theme is chiptune trap music with little jon samples (YEAH and WHAT). You have to beat it by matching it's poses with your own.
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>all of that
they type of fever dream that could only happen in a fanfic. I may go hunt it back down to read it just to experience "that".
The Corn yaoi was probably just a side thing but I'm confident that was the authors agenda during that segment at least.I won't lie, there's an appeal in one of the monsters getting to become aware of what clover went through in the neutral ending. It's a large part of why I was interested in those "zartlet goes into clovers memories" discussions". [/spoiler
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it-it's catch and release right?I just noticed that Kanako reacts when you hook a fish and when you catch it. cute.
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I look forward to it.one of the first things I wrote that I never released, was Chujin having to chase Clover down when he ran bolted out of the house in the middle of the night having a night terror about the neutral ending.apparently when I was a kid, I had a night terror where I walked out, asked my mom why she killed the dog, and then just fucking dead sprinted out of the house. I have to wonder what they felt experiencing that.
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I didn't mean for anything dramatic by that second part, ancient past as far as that is concerned.. It's just always left me wondering what a parent must feel like hearing something like that at midnight or whenever from their kid.
especially because when sleepwalking, someones eyes are generally somewhat unsettling anyways.
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>>3964346
are you talking about UT futility (chinese kanako's game)?
cuz that game SUPPOSEDLY has a demo ready but the creator is prob farming clicks/likes cuz they were like "idk if I release.... maybe..." prob wanting engagement clicks (but almost no one even know who they are so they get pitiful amounts)
also I wouldn't call that the fastest dev, cuz it has taken YEARS for a single area and we don't even know if it is real (and it seems they are remaking the graphics AGAIN)
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>>3964350
jesus, yeah reading that phrasing is clearly them farming for attention. "oh no everyone is just soooo toxic, I wont even release this project... unless".
>>3964351
honestly with how long futility has been supposedly in the works, Naranja is still faster based off when when Naranja started.
but yeah Dryanon is working at an impressive pace.
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>Faster than Naranja anon
>Faster than Oldentale anon
>Faster than Wildfire team
>Faster than Cooking With Kindness team
>Could probably match DRY1 anon's speed if didn't chose to remake the sprites
>Only reason he hasn't surpassed TS!Underswap is because he started later
Futilitydev is potentially the fastest dev of the entire scene, just imagine what he'll do in the future...
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I managed to get eight hours of uninterrupted sleep after being awake for over a day and not even being able to finish the damn Luzma image, and I woke up with a light-sensitive migraine anyway.
Joy.
This did however make me think of an anon with my condition being in a relationship with Luzma, showing how much he loves her by continuing to look at her even when it hurts him.
I would.
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I'm glad you finally got that sleep, though I'm sorry to hear about your migrane. I hope that it eases up on you. Maybe she'd like that there is someone who doesn't ask her to not be herself under any condition, or maybe she'd dim her flames just a little teeny bit to grant you mercy.
or maybe she wouldn't after what you did to her, hard to say.
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>though I'm sorry to hear about your migrane. I hope that it eases up on you.
It's possible it could clear up, I took some meds, and a migraine I had about a week ago went away promptly after a brief, sharp pain in the side of my head. Which I'm sure is nothing to be concerned about.
>Maybe she'd like that there is someone who doesn't ask her to not be herself under any condition
I like her for who she is, I could never ask her to change her ways for my sake, I can endure the pain. Though I may put on some sunglasses if needed.
>or maybe she'd dim her flames just a little teeny bit to grant you mercy.
>or maybe she wouldn't after what you did to her, hard to say.
I'm imagining her puffing her cheeks and blushing intensely, her flames as bright as the sun, saying I deserve it for being such a weirdo.
Affectionately, of course.
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I like to think she would tease you at first, but if her light is hurting your eyes too much, then she'd hug you from behind and rest her chin on your head, that way you can still feel her ewmbrace and warmth without direcctly looking at her, and then she'd tease you by giggling and calling you a weakling, for nit being able to stand her aura.
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>but if her light is hurting your eyes too much
It's more like it's hurting my brain through my eyes really, though my eyes themselves have issues sometimes, so really that's just splitting hairs.
>then she'd hug you from behind and rest her chin on your head, that way you can still feel her ewmbrace and warmth without direcctly looking at her, and then she'd tease you by giggling and calling you a weakling, for nit being able to stand her aura.
Hah...
That would be nice.
Last night when I went to bed, I imagined her holding me such that my head was laying on her tummy as she wrapped her arms around me.
Even if it wouldn't do much for the migraine, the physical presence is still a comfort.
>and then she'd tease you by giggling and calling you a weakling, for nit being able to stand her aura.
Be that as it may, I'm apparently her weakling for now, as long as the migraine lasts.
Heh, if she'd get all cuddly like that over me being in such a state, maybe I'd be alright with recovery taking a bit longer than normal.
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>Last night when I went to bed, I imagined her holding me such that my head was laying on her tummy as she wrapped her arms around me.
That sounds nice, you think her ghost tail is flexible enough for her to wrap it around you legs or body?
>Heh, if she'd get all cuddly like that over me being in such a state, maybe I'd be alright with recovery taking a bit longer than normal
Just don't pretend to have migraines while you aren't feeling them, remember that Luzma doesn't doubt the people she trusts, abusing her confidence like that would be mean..
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>That sounds nice, you think her ghost tail is flexible enough for her to wrap it around you legs or body?
That would be pretty nice too, huh.
It seems decently long in her sprite, I'd bet she could move it like that if she really wanted to.
>Just don't pretend to have migraines while you aren't feeling them, remember that Luzma doesn't doubt the people she trusts, abusing her confidence like that would be mean..
Of course, I never play about my migraines. They happen frequently enough anyway, and I wouldn't want to abuse using them as an excuse for anything, since that could cause problems when my head is really exploding.
Boy who cried wolf, you know.
Besides, if I wanted to cuddle with her that badly, I'd probably just ask. Maybe a little sheepishly though, since that's not something I'm terribly used to.
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>what I do is nothing compared to Librarby anon
I'm actually a bit behind in adding recently found greentexts to the librarby but I appreciate your words anon. I'm motivated to get those updated on my next day off now.
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>It seems decently long in her sprite, I'd bet she could move it like that if she really wanted to.
I just had a thought, how would Luzma excersise her "thighs" when she only has a tail that doesn't split at any point? I guess she could lift weights with the tail too, like an additional arm, it doesn't look like she could use it to push things, unless Luzma skips the tail day, then she does none of that.
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I don't know, maybe they're in a weird situation together with Val, and they have walkies or something
>Hey I think I see you, that was pretty smart getting a hat to disguise yourself as a monster, I'm waving at you right now.
>I don't see you at all Riley, you must be blending in
>I'm pretty sure it's just me and you, wave back just in case
>Alright, I'm waving also the hat thing is your thing you chicken can you see me Riley?
>Do you see me?
>... Riley?
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Hey Librarby anon, sorry I didn't give a full updated story rentry yet when I added a new part to the Valravn story but after I finish adding the bits from feedback and its satisfactory to the people, I'll make you an updated one.
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Not a problem anon. However you want your chapters to be presented I'll get them loaded up. right now i have it set up where people can read everything you've posted so far, but there's a bit of overlap between the two rentrys. I'm going to add more greens and the like this coming weekend, but if you have an update to an ongoing story I can get that changed sooner.
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>>3964777
Paper Trail's ending was so horrible, it basically caused me to be disillusioned with the artist's other UT/DR works.
Not to mention even before that, the explanation for Susie's eating disorder was so fucking stupid, the artist had to dig deep into "she's half human" well and set up contrivances to even begin to justify why she wouldn't know she had to eat meat.
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I always love these talks about "what Deltarune could have been" and opinions on the direction it has taken because it gives perspective on if the ideas I'm cooking up for my fangame are going in the right direction. One day I'll be here with more to show.
Forgive me for asking to be spoonfed, but how and where do you guys find 2018-2020 era fan art and theories, anyway? Every time I've tried to look for something, it got lost into the ether or overshadowed by chapter 2+ speculation because mainstream social media is terrible at archiving.
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>>3964814
It is a "you had to be there" kinda thing, though you could go into the /v/ archives and search for deltarune shortly after ch 1 came out.
I still remember everyone going "GIRL BULLY?!" when Susie first showed up, or people spreading rumors that the game read your UT genocide save
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>>3964814
Look up /sus/ in Desuarchive for the trash board, and you should be able to find a good chunk of old Ch 1 era stuff. Keep in mind, it also descended into fankid circlejerk.
It wasn't as bad as the Veth stuff nowadays, but still.
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I was so willing to suspend my disbelief for that when I first read it, but the whole "You're hurting everyone by reading the comic, and you have to stop and just trust that Asriel will save the day" was one of the stupidest ways to give up the towel with chapter 2 on the horizon to be released.
But added to that, Susie being told by Noelle that her sharp teeth means she needs meat totally renders her as a barely functioning inept. I don't care that the artist later retconned she used to be human and then became a monster through puberty, then was dumped onto Alphys' apathetic grandmother, it was a stupid explanation for why people were scared of Susie and why she eats chalk.
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At last, the time has come.
No one asked for it, and yet, the terrible deed is done.
Here it is, the Luzma instant-loss two-panel tickling comic:https://files.catbox.moe/9xafh2.png
This is the stupidest thing I've drawn in ages, and also by far the horniest. For me, anyway.
I am more than aware that this is the most ridiculous thing to get off to in the eyes of everyone else present in these threads.
And now, I go to sleep.
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>>3964831
>she used to be human and then became a monster through puberty
Without any context on what this whole story is, what the fuck am I reading. This feels like when you get an idea for a fic, but then realize its bad and scrap it, except completely inverted and you only kept the insane ideas.
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https://www.tumblr.com/lynxgriffin/715689322672750593/dont-act-so-shoc ked-part-one-of-what-will-be-a?sour ce=share
This wasn't in Paper Trail, but it's canon to Paper Trail Susie's backstory AFAIK.
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TL;DR
Susie's human mom fucked the monster who's the local butcher, she looked human, but got the bad genetic lottery to start turning monster when she hit puberty.
Her human "dad' divorced her mom, mom barely hid contempt for Susie for exposing the affair, then gave Susie up for adoption once she went full dino/dragon.
Got adopted by old woman who looks related to Alphys for government paycheck and moved to Hometown. She saw human Kris with Toriel and instantly hated him because of his status as human among monsters. Alphys Granny is supposed to be the one who didn't feed Susie properly, which is why she at the class hamster and became feared as the school bully until DR Ch1.
>I feel like this is someones transformation fetish.
Surprisingly not really, it's played up for angst rather than as a fetish. But it led to retarded things, nonetheless.
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Of course, the fact of the matter is that this "Susie doesn't know to eat meat" thing was always meant to hook up Susie and Noelle since the artist is a blatant Suselle shipper. (KriSusElle at the very most, but otherwise focuses mostly on the lesbians).
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The conversation with Noelle outside her house was enough to get the ship started, even before Ch 2 fully solidified it.
Incidentally, Noelle's blatant spaghetti spillage in that convo made me hate her before Ch 2 revealed so much with her that I went back to liking her... well, everything about her except for her very forced crush on Susie.
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>Its funny enough just hearing these snippets.
In all honesty, when you fully take Paper Trail by itself as just a pre Ch 2 fanfic, the whole thing is absolutely horribly written.
No, it's not because they misjudged how Dark Worlds would work, it's almost everything else. The overall story is comically bad. I can give a TL;DR if you're mobidly curious.
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>or being walked by, their monster GFs, a la a dog
Thats such a funny mental image, but Riley doesn't seem to be autistic enough to need a leash when he goes outside, on the other hand Val and Quetzali(?) are too autistic, neither could be the "human" in this dynamic
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TL;DR for Paper Trail as a singular comic
Hometown used to be inhabited with both humans and monsters. Eventually, tensions between the humans and monsters grew to a fever pitch and the monsters eventually forced all the humans into the Bunker, which is a Vault like doomsday bunker, and sealed them in, condemning them to an eternal imprisonment.
Gaster is a human doctor who wanted to free his people. In his research, he eventually found out about the Dark Worlds. To test things out, he created an artificial human and threw it in, which was later found and adopted by the Dreemurrs as Kris. Gaster realizes that this is how all the humans can escape, but he needs a more stable portal. He eventually creates the Knight persona and creates Dark Worlds, but this isn't enough.
Asriel eventually finds out that his parents were involved in the slow genocide of the humans, and cut contact when he went to college. Eventually the reading audience, as the red SOUL, inhabits Kris, and this finally becomes the missing key in Gaster's plan. As a higher existence, the SOUL will empower the Dark Worlds to become stable enough for the humans to leave and get revenge.
Each DW has an Asriel anagram, and they're all pages of Azzy's diary, explaining his struggles with his family and his discovery on what they'd done.
Toriel cleaned out the spare classroom and donated things in it to places around Hometown, which is why Kris, Susie and later Noelle join in to rebuild the Card Kingdom. However, the investment in Kris' story and Asriel causes the SOUL to complete Gaster's plan, and Darkners and Humans start coming out of dark portals to the Light World.
The audience is told that there won't be a happy ending if they stay, and so the SOUL/readers leave Kris to live out his life. However the audience is told that there will be hope because Asriel comes home and might save the day. Also, Susie and Noelle start a relationship.
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>>3964914
I guess I can understand that. I checked out one single deltarune fic after chapter one, and it was an awkardly written scene about kris ow the edge ranting at the soul for controlling him, and then the soul revealed he was frisk and didn't want to be there either and they became friends.
It struck me as so stupid at the time that I just mentally skipped over deltarune fics from then on.
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Oh, and Sans is only there as an outside investigator to find out what happened to the humans, since what the Hometown monsters did was not normal, and he only got close to Toriel to pump her for information, to kill the Soriel ship.
Toriel barely regrets what happened, and it's all but stated that she only adopted Kris out of guilt initially.
No, it's not implied just how Asriel will stop the race war that's about to happen, just that "he'll find a way".
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>>3964948
In this setting, Boss Monsters are still capable of being long lived.
The humans all vanished 66 years prior, and all the monsters that lived there just took all the humans' homes and possession for themselves and stayed quiet. In the present, only Toriel, Asgore, Carol, Rudy and Alvin know what happened since they're the only ones alive who still remember what happened.
Toriel's guilt that she tried to bury to raise Kris is pretty apparent. "You have no understanding what they mean to me! What I have had to endure to try to raise them!"
Sans is no goat fucker in this comic, and basically says that the rest of the world is going to come down hard on Hometown for the silent genocide. Then the humans get out, the audience leaves, and "Asriel will fix everything".
https://lynxgriffin.tumblr.com/post/644404610332803072/its-raining-her e-getting-back-briefly-with-sans
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>>3964958
Don't give up hope, there's still the slim possibility that Toby will have set this terrible romance up for the dramatic payoff of Noelle realizing that she doesn't even know Susie and that the image she had of Susie as a face-eating bully is nothing like the real thing. It's slim, because Toby Fox is so terrible at writing romance that he might not realize he even set this up and he'll just go through with making Susie abruptly drop her shonen protagonist obliviousness and fall in love with Noelle, but it COULD happen. Let's save the rewrite mods for after we get the most disappointing route
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>>3964943
Y'know, I've been reading this since it was brought up in the /v/ thread, and I'm about halfway through. So far I've found it to be a rather interesting take on dark world lore pre chapter 2, with the plot being rather mundane while it sets up all its mystery boxes. I didn't expect the story to nosedive into insanity once it goes about opening them.
I'll probably finish it, since I'm this far in and reading a summary is different from experiencing it yourself, but... huh.
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>>3964973
Believe me, all of this wasn't immediately apparent when I was reading it for the first time. I was hoping that it would try to actually work things through with all the shit it brings up, that it would make sense. But then it ended, and I had to let it all stew up to make me realize that the author is pretty hacky, even with the "Save Gaster" comic they did with UT.
The end of Paper Trail is apparently supposed to feel unsatisfying, since you don't get all the answers or conclusions. But this shit barely works in a video game, where you have a role in having Kris do things, not so much a printed medium.
Again, I don't bemoan the author for not having the foresight to know what direction the game's story was going (Dess, from what I remember, does not exist at all in PT, for example) but their own original contributions or attempted explanations just all wound up being like a wet fart.
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To DRYanon,
First of all,thank you for handling BunBun so tactfully. I know you never intended to include that body horror story idea, but I just mean in general. I think the way you handled it was very elegant. I probably sound like a big baby getting caught up in this, but seriously thank you.
Second, I do have one suggestionit still feels like Bun Bun got such a raw and unfair deal, basically being possessed, forced to do evil things, and then being sent to prison for crimes she had no control over. I'm not saying you should change or remove that, instead I'm suggesting some fun content you could add in future chapters to build on that. Perhaps you could have Kanako and Cole think the same thing. You could add a fun side quest in a later chapter about trying to argue BunBun's case to the Warden. You could have Kanako and Cole go to Dalv in the library and get some advice on law (carefully guising it as a hypothetical about a tv show) then go back to the dark world to use those arguments on the Warden. If successful, the Warden agrees that the bat was the real perpetrator and that BunBun was just an accessory, and agrees to offer her parole on the condition that she returns to the light world as a mundane object where she can do no harm. This would make BunBun and Kanako happy, but would mean BunBun doesn't show up in future chapters.
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>>3964984
Additionally I thought of another fun ideayou can have a rematch with the bat, who's been paired with a stronger body, maybe during an attempted prison break late in the game. If you beat it, you can optionally convince it to become Kanako's weapon, arguing that it's true purpose is as an item, and it can only be at its fullest potential in Kanako's hands. The Warden accepts this as a kind of special sentence because the bat is too dangerous to be kept alongside other criminals, and handcuffs it to Kanako's arm. This makes it her only equippable weapon for the rest of the game (or if that's too restricting, she can put it in a special lock box when not using it). The bat becomes a very powerful late game weapon, maybe it even gives her a special attack, the ultimate home run, as a reference to OFF
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>>3964954
Well, no because instead would be implying that Deltarune was Suselle that you could make something different instead of that, which is only really a conclusion you could come to if you didn't play the game.
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make kriselletarune right now you can't leave until it's done
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>>3964987
I was going to say try e6, but even the person who was uploading it to there gave up over a year ago, lol.
E-Hentai is your best bet, it has a bunch of crap as extras at the end, tho.
https://e-hentai.org/g/2606976/3031081067/
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Still got that friendjin discussion stuck on my mind.
DRY chujin was a bit different than I was expecting but I had a good time with it.He's a bit of a dweeb which is funny. I can reconcile this but with the way he runs it's no wonder he got picked on.
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>>3965036
Even setting aside my personal feelings for the character. Its nice to have characters from previous chapters show up and be relevant again in side content for later chapters. Like the dates in Undertale. I feel like Deltarune is sorely lacking in a lot of stuff like that. Plus it would give you a chance to do something with Dalv, and we both know how much he could use some extra characterization.
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>>3965039
true but I gotta brainstorm a way to fit in that doesn't feel shoehorned in, and that takes a while
alsoyou can already get the bat as a weapon in game in the alt route right now
by the way, if anyone has found any typos/weird grammar, it would help to know exactly where they are, since the script is huge and I do multiple things at the same time I glaze over and miss them constantly, so any help is appreciated on that front
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>>3965040
nta but there's a couple I spotted in my run. I took screenshots of a few (is there a dedicated screenshot button in this or is print screen the way?) but I was caught up in the game and forgot to save down a handful.
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>>3965040
>true but I gotta brainstorm a way to fit in that doesn't feel shoehorned in,
For the first suggestion, I was pitching it as optional side content. So it'd be a side quest you could fit in basically anywhere there's some down time. Like whenever you visit the dark jail, its just an optional side quest you can take.
For the second suggestion, yeah that one's a little more of a special thing. So I can understand not being able to fit it in.
>spoiler
well it could be likehow people theorize about the twisted sword in Deltarune, where you can get it in the normal route, and getting the thorn in the weird route is a sort of sequence break. Or you could have it be like the schizo boss items and give her a different variant based on the route. I haven't played the alt route yet, so I don't know how the bat works specifically, but assuming its a weapon, you could make it use an armor slot instead, and have it be that Kanako is dual wielding weapons, using it a bit like a parrying dagger. So it still does defense, but only if you use a timed z press to bat away the projectile. Play on the whole parrying and bat thing. Plus you could have the bat act like Hate Mace from Space King
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>>3964230
I (possibly) Mandela'd a memory into someone's head? Very cool.
But yes, I made brief mentions of that fight around the Wild East section because, while the scope of the story prevented me from directly creating it, I was able to imply its existence. And I really wanted to do that because I felt it was one of the greatest missed opportunities in the game. I've become a lot more comfortable doing fixes and plugging holes in canon as Partners has progressed, and even inserting original ideas likeGreen Cave, the area behind the Girlboss Cactus.
There are times that I regret not carrying forward the idea/fix from Birds of a Feather where Martlet's serum is a Chujin-variant and it gives her Integrity corruption. But that would have HUGELY complicated Partners, and basically put it immediately in AU territory.
>corn yaoi out of nowhere
You have my condolences.
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Done with Day 2, man what a great fucking update. My only real gripe with the game is that combat is too easy. I would like it if the secret bosses were bumped up to about Spamton NEO level and the main bosses to about Queen level. Some attacks are conceptually awesome but undertuned to the point they're not really a threat.
And then there's Gearzerd who is basically guaranteed damage when paired with pretty much any other enemy lol
Really big Light World section too, that was nice.
>>3965040
I made a list (only for the post-update part of Day 2):
https://rentry.org/zsehun6i
Sorry if it's a bit messy, I was doing it on the fly while I played. Hopefully it's easy to ctrl + F the files for the text.
Also I finished that Toster boss theme I mentioned before, if you want it >>3964488
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>>3965057
Oh yeah, and I don't know if it's intentional or not, but if you100% heat Toster by breaking the yellow block during that one attack, you get 2 free turns instead of 1, he does the HOT HOT dialogue on the second turn, the first one he does the shaking animation but says nothing.
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>>3964917
>Incidentally, Noelle's blatant spaghetti spillage in that convo made me hate her before Ch 2 revealed so much with her that I went back to liking her... well, everything about her except for her very forced crush on Susie.
Exact same way, brother. I expected her to be the worst part of the game and I only really reevaluated her after playing through the Weird Route where her crush on Susie is almost entirely absent; even in the normal route she's a compelling character (and the weird route complements her behavior and adds context to it), as long as she's far away from Susie.
I hope Naranjanon, who wrote Val as a he/him, has a plan to thwart the lesbian curse so we don't have to sit through unskippable scenes of Quetzali and Luzma staring into each other's eyes and blushing
>but the author could just not write—
Do NOT underestimate the strength of the lesbian curse
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>>3964885
>good work, its just still funny to me that this is a thing.
Thanks, and yeah, I'd be very surprised if anyone other than me specifically finds that image hot.
I think I might try and do a normal pinup style image of Luzma as a smaller thing soon, to make up for my current only images of her being completely ridiculous.
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>>3964834
>I hope Naranjanon, who wrote Val as a he/him, has a plan to thwart the lesbian curse so we don't have to sit through unskippable scenes of Quetzali and Luzma staring into each other's eyes and blushing
Assuming Quetzali has the same age as Val, then Luzma would reject Zali for being underage, but who knows, maybe the lesbian curse is so strong it can even overpower the age of consent. I wouldn't underestimate the curse, UT Futility's protag was originally a they/them, but suddenly one day the MC became a girl, my guess is that this was a punishment for trying to go against the curse by making the protagonist a boy, there's a reason why the Wildfire devs are keeping Riley as they/them
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>>3965057
And one other bug I noticed, I'm replaying the Bearing fight and sometimes when I pick fight with both characters, I get the configuration where Cole's attack is a little after Kanako's, but pressing once triggers both. I'm pretty sure it's always for exactly this configuration, not sure if it also happens in other fights.
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>>3964860
>Good thing they just had that industrial pack of fire retardant gloves.
It pays to come prepared, you never know when you might have to brutally tickle an unruly fire monster.
>Damn, that's a lot of anons.
I honestly considered trying to lean into an implication that the monsters Luzma's encountered in the first panel are actually just swarms of magic floating disembodied hands concealing themselves with those cloaks, but I decided that would be way too hard to convey properly, so they're just some generic cloaked humanoid monsters.
Though the idea of a bunch of anons being the ones responsible for Luzma's defeat and subsequent humiliation is also very hot, so I like that.
The phrase "brutally tickled" has been stuck in my head ever since I read it, I can't stop thinking about it.
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>>3964834
Almost forgot to respond to this post, I saw it earlier but didn't have the time to reply.
Well, this wasn't the kind of Luzma fanart I was expecting to see, at least not this early, but I'm okay with it, you made her look hotget it?, I like the detail of the glow that you gave her body too, I don't mind the tickling, its weird, but not in a way that makes the drawing hard to look at.
Also, while I personally don't like "correcting" artists when the get a detail wrong in an UTN character, I've seen that your try to portray the characters as on model as possible(ignoring certain two elements on the female characters), so to clarify, the yellow belt you gave her, is actually meant to be 3 leather belts with golden buckles, I can't blame you for getting it wrong tho, I made them look like two random diagonal lines, that part of her sprite is still a WIP and I haven't found a way to properly represent it.
In any case, thanks for the fanart, E_D.
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>>3965054
Perfect, and to contribute to the typo fix, here are two of the earliest ones in the game both of them at the end of the cliffs segment: First the penceller henchman that accompanies bearing says weirdors instead of weirdos.
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And Honvich should be saying “shall I dispatch the men to search for them at once?” The sentence is missing the “for”
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>>3965063
>Exact same way, brother. I expected her to be the worst part of the game and I only really reevaluated her after playing through the Weird Route where her crush on Susie is almost entirely absent; even in the normal route she's a compelling character (and the weird route complements her behavior and adds context to it), as long as she's far away from Susie.
It baffles my mind how much depth was put into Noelle, her family and relationship (and eventual withering away of) with Kris, and the mystery of her ultimate purpose in the Weird Route.
...Then you go to the complete opposite side of the spectrum and you see her lose all that depth and become as shallow as a puddle with Susie (who also has depth) with a crush that I swear was written to make Undyne & Alphys' UT relationship seem as rounded as a wheel.
I was hoping for so long that future chapters would have her realize that her crush is literally caused by her trauma from her sister vanishing, but Toby seems dedicated to making these girls the new Alphdyne.
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>>3965078
>weirdors
Not DRYanon but that sounds like it could be intentional as an accent. I've heard people from the deep American south pronounce "-o" as "-er," like saying "winder" instead of "window." Maybe spell it "weirders" to make it more clear as not being a typo
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>>3965077
>picture
Is that fifth sprite Luzma with legs?
Luzma with legs is cursed.
Though I guess that would give me an excuse to draw her with feet...
Eh, I'll just assume it's a loincloth.
>Well, this wasn't the kind of Luzma fanart I was expecting to see, at least not this early, but I'm okay with it, you made her look hot get it?
>get it?
Ah!
But thanks, I'm glad I managed to make her look good for you, in spite of what's happening to her.
I actually had a lot of fun drawing her body, I've never really drawn anything quite like her before.
I don't mind the tickling, its weird, but not in a way that makes the drawing hard to look at.
Honestly, I'm surprised it's been as tolerated here as it has. I don't intend to make this a super regular thing from me, I just really couldn't help it with Luzma in particular.
That actually reminds me, I wanted to thank you.
Ever since I started holding myself back on that front, I haven't always had the opportunity to really go all out with a sadism fetish like this, but Luzma was just the perfect target for letting off a bit of suppressed energy here.
Her cockiness, her laughter, her strength, it all added up to make her the best victim I could ask for, and I really can't thank you enough for that.
I actually forgot how good it felt to draw this sort of thing, it's been so long since I really cut loose like this.
I may have to do more of these occasional self-indulgences in the future.
>(ignoring certain two elements on the female characters)
Oh yeah, I guess Luzma's sprites don't really give her a lot of curvature in the chest, huh?
Ah well.
>is actually meant to be 3 leather belts with golden buckles
Ah, so she's got a Square Enix thing going on, huh? Alright, I'll try and remember that next time.
Hell, I wish you'd said so sooner, I would've been clever and used her own belts to restrain her.
>thanks for the fanart, E_D.
You used my name...
Thank you.
It's nice to know I'm not just the CBT anon to some people here.
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will deltarune yellow do the deltarune thing of adding a new battle theme in future chapters (from now on song)?
Personally i'd like dynamic unique battle songs that change per chapter, like custom battle song for chapter 2 in both normal and weird routes and from now on for first and third sanctuaries but an unique theme for the second sanctuary, but i understand why thats more complicated than simply one unique battle theme per chapter
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>>3965086
>Is that fifth sprite Luzma with legs?
Yes, it is, sometimes I do alternative designs like that, Quetzali's snake form was originally just that too, I didn't have intentions of implementing it in game, in this case, I was curious on how Luzma would look like with legs.
>Her cockiness, her laughter, her strength, it all added up to make her the best victim I could ask for, and I really can't thank you enough for that.
Eh, you are welcome, like, I'm glad you enjoy the character.
>Oh yeah, I guess Luzma's sprites don't really give her a lot of curvature in the chest, huh?
I was making a joke on how you always give the girls large breasts, you're free to draw however you want.
>Ah, so she's got a Square Enix thing going on, huh?
Pretty much.
>Hell, I wish you'd said so sooner
I could have clarified it sooner, what you saw was an slight redesign, originally she had a yellow cloth covering part of her lower body, I changed because it made it too easy to interpret her neck guard as a scarf, the belts also fit her character better.
>It's nice to know I'm not just the CBT anon to some people here.
And it's nice to have a way of referring to you that doesn't involve a fetish.
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>>3965093
>I was curious on how Luzma would look like with legs.
You know, I called it "cursed", but it actually doesn't look bad by itself, though I think I still prefer her normal form.
You gave her some very nice hips there though.
>Eh, you are welcome, like, I'm glad you enjoy the character.
Oh yes, I do genuinely like her as a character visually and writing-wise, aside from my darker desires, it just so happens that she ticks a lot of boxes for said desires also.
Like I said a little earlier, I'll try and draw her more normally sometime soon, to make up for inflicting these things on her (and the thread).
>I was making a joke on how you always give the girls large breasts, you're free to draw however you want.
I know, but I still generally like to try and adhere to how characters are *supposed* to look, if I can.
>originally she had a yellow cloth covering part of her lower body, I changed because it made it too easy to interpret her neck guard as a scarf, the belts also fit her character better.
Yeah, that makes sense, having a copious amount of belts feels very fitting for her.
>And it's nice to have a way of referring to you that doesn't involve a fetish.
Honestly, I just think "CBT anon" is just a poor representation of me. I really haven't drawn it that much, compared to some other things.
I don't necessarily want E_D to be the go-to for me either, I like being called an anon, I just think there could be better ways of referring to me than "CBT anon".
I know that won't stop people though, I'm pretty sure Oldentale anon gets a kick out of calling me that by now.
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Alright, I said I would work on the Librarby this weekend which apparently meant immediately.
I've changed the way the green room at the back of the librarby is organized, made it easier to spot new greens and moved a few stories to this page because it felt right once I started setting specific sections. I know that there are some Naranja greens out there, so if anyone remembers any or has them saved, please let me know so I can get that section started.
I'm confident that i've missed a few recently written ones, but I've added 10 greens that weren't on the Librarby already, a couple of which come from the early 2024 threads.
Also here's some Sig art that I had only seen half of before.
https://rentry.org/The-Green-Room
I haven't braved creating the shadow librarby yet but I've found a couple of things that are probably fit for that.
As always, any input or contributions is fully welcome.
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>You know, I called it "cursed", but it actually doesn't look bad by itself, though I think I still prefer her normal form
I too prefer Luzma with the ghost tail, it makes the will o' wisp/Luz Mala connection more obvious instead of looking like a fire elemental/cyclops hybrid.
>You gave her some very nice hips there though.
Side effect of making the legs start where the ghost tail does, but I'm not complaining.
>Oh yes, I do genuinely like her as a character visually and writing-wise, aside from my darker desires
I get that, you wouldn't have made those fanarts if you didn't like the character in some way.
>I don't necessarily want E_D to be the go-to for me either, I like being called an anon, I just think there could be better ways of referring to me than "CBT anon".
Well, they called you that because that Chujin drawing stood out a lot, its not something you regularly see in these threads, would you prefer to be called "large breasts drawanon"? it's a pretty long name.
>I know that won't stop people though, I'm pretty sure Oldentale anon gets a kick out of calling me that by now.
I'll admit I've called you that in the past for shits and gigglesin fact, I might have been the first one, but I don't really remember
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Ok, so I just finished the Deltarune Hallow's Eve Hack (watched a playthrough since it was genuinely too buggy for me to finish) and that was certainly an experience. Especially the last third. I'm just gonna sum up what I think happened.
Spoilers for a really weird fangame, I guessSo I think what happened was that there was supposed to be a different ending but (this is in universe not irl) one of the devs had a schizo tard fit about some years old drama surrounding Nintendo and a Mario game he worked on, which got cancelled and dropped by the other devs. I don't know if he actually worked at Nintendo, or if he was just a schizo who genuinely believed Nintendo stole his idea and made Mario Maker with it. Then he ended up working with a team that started working on an Undertale fangame. He apparently didn't like this and was made that it wasn't the Mario fangame he wanted to make. So then when the original lead dev stepped away from the project, he inserted himself in, had a tard fit, and sent the plot off the rails into him seething about Nintendo and personal drama. Then the final boss fight ends with the original lead dev hitting him with a bus, taking over the project again, and arbitrarily giving the main characters a happy ending/
I get the feeling the ending was something they devs kinda just threw together after they ran out of ideas.
I do appreciate it for being the first game I've seen to accurately depict what an internet schizo is actually like. Really reminded me of some of the schizos I've had to interact with here. So its like if one of them was made into the antagonist of a fangame.
I also appreciate that this is this is the first fangame I've seen which tackles the topic of dev drama, which itself is a very common issue among fangames. So its pretty funny seeing the game be in universe destroyed by something that often destroys a lot of fangames.
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All in all, I think it has a lot of neat concepts that might be pretty cool if executed well and with tact. They weren't executed well here, and came across pretty stupid. But I think that may have been the point. The whole ending segment to me comes across as a high effort shitpost. Which I guess is very in line with the spirit of the original EB Halloween Hack's ending.
Also, the music is really good
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>>3965104
>I too prefer Luzma with the ghost tail, it makes the will o' wisp/Luz Mala connection more obvious instead of looking like a fire elemental/cyclops hybrid.
Yeah, her tail is very nice.
It was actually one of the bits I had the most fun drawing, especially the bit at the end I gave her.
It did have to hold myself back from making her hips way wider, but I question whether or not I should've anyway.
>Side effect of making the legs start where the ghost tail does, but I'm not complaining.
Some things are simply fated to be.
>I get that, you wouldn't have made those fanarts if you didn't like the character in some way.
Yes, generally.
If it's any consolation, my fantasies surrounding Luzma shifted over the last few days, from wanting to brutally tickle her, to wanting to just spend time with her doing more normal things.
I mean, I do also still think about the other things, but you know, development.
>Well, they called you that because that Chujin drawing stood out a lot, its not something you regularly see in these threads, would you prefer to be called "large breasts drawanon"? it's a pretty long name.
Hmph.
Yeah, I dunno, I guess it is how it is.
>I'll admit I've called you that in the past for shits and giggles in fact, I might have been the first one, but I don't really remember
So it was you, all along.
The author of all my pain.
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>If it's any consolation, my fantasies surrounding Luzma shifted over the last few days,
Yes I say the change over the days, it was kinda funny.
>So it was you, all along.
That's the magic of these threads isn't it? The shitposters that's been annoying you could easily be one of the devs or artists in this place, I've been told to kill myself a few times in some of the /v/ threads, but that won't stop me from shitposting.
>The author of all my pain.
It's even funnier because you only know half the storyhttps://youtu.be/6WJXdACkxTY&t=5
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>>3965051
the cave thing honestly tripped me out in a funny way. Like it was forbidden territory because of that damn cactus or something
>spoilers
Honestly as a reader, it feels up in the air where things are going to go with the serum.yeah we've seen it in action but like, well shit man things have gone off the rails in an interesting way since then.
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>>3965100
It's something else seeing the very first threads for the game, aside from the fact that there are going to have been stealth threads that I probably have absolutely no hope of finding, that have gold in them.
But in the weeks leading up to yellows release, the threads were 5-16 posts before archiving, and then it released, no response, and then bam 518 post thread.
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A sword doesn't choose his name, but with enough time maybe you will do something that will let you wear another hat. A tower of hats if you will.
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>>3965120
>Yes I say the change over the days, it was kinda funny.
You have born witness to the vast array of feelings I may harbor for a character, from wanting to break them, to wanting to break them (consensually).
Truly, love is a spectrum.
>The shitposters that's been annoying you could easily be one of the devs or artists in this place
Getting some of the devs to concede to some of my points in that scale argument was fun. I didn't know I was arguing with any devs when that argument began, but I still got through anyway.
>It's even funnier because you only know half the story
YOU!Wait, did I switch anons at some point here?
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I thought it looked vaguely weird when I was working on it, but I'll probably make her a bit more bottom-heavy the next time I draw her.Say, while on the topic of her lower-body, what did you (and anyone else reading this, I'd like some input) think of the way I handled her crotch, with those pseudo inner-thighs?
I remember seeing some joke guide about drawing ghost bodies that displayed something like that as a potential way about it, and I guess that stuck with me, but I'm curious as to how other people think of it, because it is still kinda weird at the end of the day.
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>Getting some of the devs to concede to some of my points in that scale argument was fun. I didn't know I was arguing with any devs when that argument began, but I still got through anyway.
Well I don't remember conceding any point during that argument, I still think the same about how the overworld and battle sprites use different scales, but lets not bring that argument back.
>Wait, did I switch anons at some point here?
You didn't.
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>A sword doesn't choose his name
"Durandan, Durandal, Durandana."
>but with enough time maybe you will do something that will let you wear another hat. A tower of hats if you will.
Honestly, I figured if anything would've done that, it would've been these recent images.
I imagined being practically possessed by the urge to draw a character being tickle-tortured would have been more rightfully mockable than drawing CBT on a whim for a practice drawing.
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>>3965132
>I remember seeing some joke guide about drawing ghost bodies that displayed something like that as a potential way about it, and I guess that stuck with me, but I'm curious as to how other people think of it, because it is still kinda weird at the end of the day
I've seen plenty of legless characters drawn with thighs like that, usually anthro snakes or ghosts, even Miss MIzzle gets drawn like that sometimes, I don't see any problem with it, the fireussy would look weirder without those pseudo thighs around it
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>>3965138
>I imagined being practically possessed by the urge to draw a character being tickle-tortured would have been more rightfully mockable than drawing CBT on a whim for a practice drawing.
It's because the tickling can be ignored, like some anons say, it can be interpreted like she's being groped by invisible hands, meanwhile, things like sounding are too painful for most people to tolerate.
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>>3965138
for people not into any of those kind of things, I imagine they view cbt and tickle torture in an oddly similar way, and I for one am not switching to tickleanon, that's just an uncomfortable name to say.
but to my original point, Excalibur has been known by many names. Perhaps one day. I usually just say Anon though. It feels like calling you CBT anon is like saying beetlejuice and I'm summoning more of those drawings into reality.
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>>3965134
>Well I don't remember conceding any point during that argument, I still think the same about how the overworld and battle sprites use different scales, but lets not bring that argument back.
I remember at least one of the devs acquiescing and saying that I was right about a few things regarding scaling between overworld sprites and battlesprites.
>You didn't.
So, you're the one who used that one first, then?
Honestly, I'm surprised that joke kept going, since it's not like I haven't been just as freaky over female characters here too.
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>>3965139
>the fireussy would look weirder without those pseudo thighs around it
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
I also thought at one point while drawing that it was weird to be whipping out that kind of anatomy for Luzma, but not for Quetzali, who is either an anthro or just a normal snake monster.
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>>3965141
>It feels like calling you CBT anon is like saying beetlejuice and I'm summoning more of those drawings into reality.
I haven't really drawn it that much though, only about 3 of the 31 images I have on esix are ostensibly CBT, and one of those is a stretch.
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>>3965140
>It's because the tickling can be ignored, like some anons say, it can be interpreted like she's being groped by invisible hands
Can it be?
Really?
I'm genuinely asking, I feel like it'd be kinda hard to recontextualize the hands scratching at her armpits or fingering her bellybutton as just groping her, this feels too specific.
I mean, if you're that good at separating things like that, more power to you, but I figured this was a little bit past the point where it could really be seen as anything else.
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>>3965151
Well, the Chujin/Axis one is a given, but the first one I did with Chujin is a bit more nebulous, since I don't think I'd necessarily call him justhaving a vibrator taped to his dick"CBT" by any means, it's way less extreme.
The Zaer image I did was more of a milking thing than CBT, that's kinda its own category, but maybe that still counts.
And outside of those, I've never really done anything like that anywhere else.
Unless the first-person pov image of Cerobamilking the viewer's cock with her pawscounts on the same milking technicality, in which case, it's three or four.
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>>3965148
>I also thought at one point while drawing that it was weird to be whipping out that kind of anatomy for Luzma, but not for Quetzali, who is either an anthro or just a normal snake monster.
You mean making her a naga? I already explained it before, but she was never meant to have the snake form, I went with it because it fit with the Quetzalcoatl myth, and because I felt her design was too generic, she needs legs for a reason that might seem dumb to some but I guess I can spoil it a bit hereQuetzali can use similar moves to Val, like the slide and the wall jump, I'm not looking forward to animating all those moves nor coding them, but it's a challenge I must face sooner or later, don't expect this to happen in the first area
If it weren't for that I might have made her a naga.
>>3965150
Well, you actually summoned me with those invitations.
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>>3965022
Just finished it. Honestly, my opinions aren't too different from earlier, and I mostly agree with >>3964777. As >>3964914 put, it's an interesting extrapolation from chapter 1's limited exposition. The premise of rebuilding the Card Kingdom isn't very interesting and definitely feels way more like the plot of a fanfiction than the rest of the game, though.
I suppose my main criticism would be the fact that all of this exposition comes out of nowhere, at the very very end, to be terrible storytelling. There's absolutely no closure, and if >>3964975 is correct in that this is all intentional, that's even worse. I didn't really get the sense that the author said "players/readers are bad people for wanting the story to go on", so to me it just comes across as an extremely sudden "The End."
I also honestly find the ideas it posits to be quite interesting. Besides the Dark World lore, the Deltarune timeline being an inverse of Undertale's where humans got trapped underground is an idea I and many others posited back in the chapter 1 days, and I find the way it expands upon monsters as a species (eg. the herbivores/carnivores thing) to be novel worldbuilding. That said, the devil is in the details, and the author doesn't follow through in a satisfying way: the social ramifications of a jurisdiction-wide race war and the fact that a little kid killed someone else's pet aren't realistically touched upon. Also, the "half-breed monsters transform from humans" thing is a dumb retcon that the story is better off without.
I guess my overall thoughts are vaguely similar to Kubo and the Two Strings. That was a great movie up until the ending, where it completely fell on its face. Though this comic was just decent before it dropped the ball.
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>I didn't really get the sense that the author said "players/readers are bad people for wanting the story to go on", so to me it just comes across as an extremely sudden "The End."
From what I remember, Lynx didn't imply that the reader is supposed to be bad, just that they're being used for Gaster's plan that is just going to cause so much suffering with the race war and the subsequent punishments for sealing the humans away in the first place, and that if they want to hope for things to get better, they have to trust that it will without them.
I get where it's coming from, since post Pacifist Flowey all but begs you to never RESET to start from the start so that everyone can be happy on the surface, and that if you care for them, you'll let them be. But at least the true end of Undertale was, you know, a mostly satisfying end?
Again, my focus of the criticism that I had was because of the backstory stuff, how it was delivered and the hamfisted ways that characters interacted (Suselle being chief amongst them). Most of the rest, with the Dark World stuff, was fine as a hypothetical based on Ch 1 knowledge.
It just seems that Lynx has just really bad luck in trying to predict things in future releases, like when they made a non-Paper Trail comic before chaps 3 & 4 released, they hypothesized that a Darkner version of Gerson was the Knight who made Dark Worlds to "create stories". It's when they try to write romance/relationships that the weakness of their writing just becomes really apparent, since their Suselle is just as compelling as the canon one... which I don't have to tell you is "not very".
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>>3965162
I know, I wasn't expecting shock and horror or anything, I was mostly just expecting a lot more pointing and laughing, since this is a pretty ridiculous thing to get off too.
Not that I'm complaining really, though I do always like the funnier reactions to what I make, when applicable.
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>>3965158
> I already explained it before, but she was never meant to have the snake form, I went with it because it fit with the Quetzalcoatl myth, and because I felt her design was too generic
I know, I just thought it was kinda funny that I was using a form of anatomy typically used for snake monsters right *after* I had already drawn Quetzali, but not with her.
>spoiler
I could honestly see her doing those sorts of things even if she was a naga, but I guess spriting that would be more of a hassle than you'd probably want to have to put up with.
I'm not complaining though, more than happy for her to have legs and feet.
>Well, you actually summoned me with those invitations.
Huh, I coulda sworn it was mostly Oldentale anon that was making that joke, but it seems I was mistaken. Unless it was both of you at different times, I guess, which technically has also happened too.
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>>3965173
Kanako can be boring (note I haven't played the new DRY demo so I can't comment on any new developments) but she doesn't magically lose personality, or suck the personality out of everyone around her, when she gets near Cole. The worst I could say about Kanacole is it's a bit self-inserty, but I'll take that any day over a relationship that actively drags the story down and makes the characters worse
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>>3965101
You can spotMooch prowling around to the left of the cafe after going through Sadie's house. Talk to her and she'll tell you to come back later. You have to come back after Martlet asks if you still have something to do in town, after Kanako already went to sleep
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>>3965204
>I could honestly see her doing those sorts of things even if she was a naga,
Matybe, but I don't think the wall jumping would look good at all with that kind of body.
>Huh, I coulda sworn it was mostly Oldentale anon that was making that joke, but it seems I was mistaken. Unless it was both of you at different times, I guess, which technically has also happened too.
Nah, it was just me with the clip.
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>>3965204
>I could honestly see her doing those sorts of things even if she was a naga
Eh, I think the wall jump would be the hardest to represent if she had that kind of body, I also like how she can only fly while on snake mode, it give me some ideas for scenarios but also gives her flying ability a limit.
Well, you actually summoned me with those invitations.
>Huh, I coulda sworn it was mostly Oldentale anon that was making that joke, but it seems I was mistaken. Unless it was both of you at different times, I guess, which technically has also happened too.
Nah, I was the one with the clips, but I wouldn't by surprised if Oldentale anon has been bothering you with a different running gag.
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I tried to draw a more accurate version of your Banana Ghost, Oldentale anon.
If you actually add this thing to Oldentale, this drawing will retroactively become on-topic.
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>>3965222
>Matybe, but I don't think the wall jumping would look good at all with that kind of body.
Eh, maybe her tail could act like a spring or something whenever she jumps.
>Nah, it was just me with the clip.
Hm.
I really feel like he'd been the one to do that at least once, particularly in some conversation about Reynault, but alright.
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>>3965232
>Eh, maybe her tail could act like a spring or something whenever she jumps.
Like a crocodile on water? Not like it matters, that ship has already sailed.
>I really feel like he'd been the one to do that at least once, particularly in some conversation about Reynault, but alright.
That was me too, lol.
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>Like a crocodile on water? Not like it matters, that ship has already sailed.
Nah, like a cartoon character or something.
But yeah, her design's fine as it is, I was just saying I think the idea of her being a naga could've technically been made to fit with whatever physical activities she'll be doing if it had to.
>That was me too, lol.
What the hell.
Well, this has been a minor revelation.
I guess you two both like making really similar jokes at my expense.
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Hey, Naranjadev, I have a question about Luzma.
I know you said in that post describing her that she'd probably laugh if you asked her out, even if she was into you, but is there anything that would legitimately shock her out of having that reaction at first?
I ask because I was thinking about her when I suddenly thought abouthow she would react to being proposed to, and I thought about her initially reacting with shocked silence, before breaking out into joyful laughter as she accepts, and I wanted to know how accurate that would be for her, because I actually want to draw that sometime.
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>>3965121
>forbidden area
It's funny you say that, because the part where Martlet gets weirded out by fence hopping was a nod to out-of-bounds stuff.
>serum
I wish I could say more, but even declaring whether I'll use it conventionally or unconventionally would be too near to spoiler territory.
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>>3965257
>You met the girl a few days ago and are already thinking of marriage?
That's not all.
I know I've drawn and thought of some strange stuff with her already, but just a few nights ago, I imagined something far more depraved, far less justifiable.I imagined playing Halo 2 with her.
I will not be elaborating.
>I bet you're imagining Luzma with a wedding dress and everything, which is based if true
I was mostly just imagining presenting her with a ring, and her being so surprised that she doesn't say anything at first, followed by her crying tears of joy and laughing loudly as she hugs me while saying yes.
I dunno, I guess I just like her a bit.
Her in a wedding dress does sound very nice though, I'll have to make a note of that.
Never enough time to get around to everything, I'm afraid.
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>I'm aware, but this one seems awfully centered around me in particular.
If it serves as any consolation, I tend to make fun of every poster here, including myself, not even the UTN characters are safe from my shitposting, if I think a post can be funny I'll probably won't hold back, so it less like I was targeting you, and more like you gave me more chances to act.
>>3965246
>I know you said in that post describing her that she'd probably laugh if you asked her out, even if she was into you, but is there anything that would legitimately shock her out of having that reaction at first?
I think the laugh is inevitable, but if something's too shocking, then the laugh will be delayed, there's a reason why she learned to use the laugh as an intimidation tactic, instead of suppressing it.
>I ask because I was thinking about her when I suddenly thought about how she would react to being proposed to, and I thought about her initially reacting with shocked silence, before breaking out into joyful laughter as she accepts, and I wanted to know how accurate that would be for her, because I actually want to draw that sometime.
I can see that as one of the scenarios that would shock Luzma first and make her laugh later, if this is like in a public place with people she respects a lot, she'd try (and fail) to actively hold her laughter in order to not ruin the moment.
>>3965258
>Never enough time to get around to everything, I'm afraid.
Couldn't agree more, even if I had unlimited free time I would still not be able to make every one of my game ideas into a reality.
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>>3965242
I didn't want to say anything earlier, but the multiple belts thing has me thinking Darkblade and Quetzali shop at the same store. Or I guess the same chain of stores, they probably shop at different individual locations.
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>>3965261
>those sprites
I know this isn't the case, but god does it feel like you're tempting me with those sprites there.
>so it less like I was targeting you, and more like you gave me more chances to act.
I don't actually mind it too much, I just think it's strange that both of you have ganged up on me at the same time multiple times before.
>I think the laugh is inevitable, but if something's too shocking, then the laugh will be delayed, there's a reason why she learned to use the laugh as an intimidation tactic, instead of suppressing it.
Huh, interesting.
>I can see that as one of the scenarios that would shock Luzma first and make her laugh later, if this is like in a public place with people she respects a lot, she'd try (and fail) to actively hold her laughter in order to not ruin the moment.
Also very interesting.
I didn't think too much about where such a thing would be happening, I was mostly just thinking about her reaction by itself, how happy she'd be, and how she'd express that.
I just like the idea of her being really overwhelmingly happy in such a moment, I don't know how to explain it.
>Couldn't agree more, even if I had unlimited free time I would still not be able to make every one of my game ideas into a reality.
Such is the burden of the human mind.
Just have to make the most with the time you have, in the end.
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>>3965263
In Luzma's case, what you see her wearing is a suit of armor, she has different casual clothes, clothes that I haven't drawn yet, but it wouldn't put it besides her to actually wear multiple belts outside her job.
From what I've seen Darkblade got his fashion sense from Vergil/Sepiroth while Luzma got hers from Ryu Hayabusa, although none of these characters use multiple belts (unless you count Sepiroth's chest and leg straps as belts)
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>I know this isn't the case, but god does it feel like you're tempting me with those sprites there.
Yeah, I figured you'd have that kind of reaction only after making them, pic related is (possibly) what her shocked reaction would look at first
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>>3965267
>Yeah, I figured you'd have that kind of reaction only after making them
I will resist this temptation, for I have already fed the beast twice, and I shall not succumb to its influence again.
I also don't really know what I'd do for a third one, so as long as I don't get any ideas, I should be fine.
>pic related is (possibly) what her shocked reaction would look at first
Huh, didn't figure you'd go the Queen route with that one.
I imagined her pupil would just get really small, and her eye would go wide, an almost cartoonish expression of shock.
I also imagined her putting her hands over her mouth at first too, before she breaks out into joyful laughter, at least in the context I was talking about before.
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>Huh, didn't figure you'd go the Queen route with that one.
Her eye being so big allows me to easily give her pupils with specific shapes, its not something you can do with most characters.
>I imagined her pupil would just get really small, and her eye would go wide, an almost cartoonish expression of shock.
Well, I did say that the pic related was a posibility, I mostly wanted an excuse to showcase how her pupil can change shape.
>I imagined her pupil would just get really small, and her eye would go wide, an almost cartoonish expression of shock.
So something like pic related?
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>>3965283
>Her eye being so big allows me to easily give her pupils with specific shapes, its not something you can do with most characters.
I get that, I just didn't expect that for a character like Luzma.
Mostly because she's just made out of fire, as opposed to being some kind of computer character, where having their face display unicode makes more immediate sense.
>Well, I did say that the pic related was a posibility, I mostly wanted an excuse to showcase how her pupil can change shape.
That is interesting, but I never would've figured she could/would do that based on what you've said and shown about her.
I don't think that's a bad thing, just a bit of a curveball.
>So something like pic related?
Pretty much, but maybe retaining her iris.
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>>3965293
Also, thanks for posting all these sprites of her, really.
I'm still in that phase where I'm just subconsciously coming up with different ideas for things to draw of her, and I've got a few these sprites may be useful for.
Maybe even ideas that'll appeal to more than just me specifically, but who knows.
Anywho, I'm going to sleep.
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>>3965344
His stated goal is to make edgy shitposts for fandoms that are known to not handle even mild edginess very well, like the broader base of UT/DR. Some of his humor seems sharty-derived, and I don't know if he uses it himself, but these sorts of edgy music videos came from TikTok and Instagram. I'm just glad to have a UTY shitpost though the music sucks.
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>>3965357
My main problem with it is a lack of correlation between character and concept. Here's an idea, do Clover in a klan robe with a monster in a noose, with the hang em high theme playing. The klan were open proponents of vigilantism and are bound to piss lot of people off if depicted, and Clover has a similar system of racialized vigilantism going on with the monsters, and hang em high is a classic western.
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>>3965357
It's better than most combinations. Many cowboys in the Old West were Confederate veterans who had nowhere else to go so they went out west to find a new life. Plus, there's all of Texas which was both cowboy country and a Confederate state. Clover is a blank slate so we know him to be a cowboy rather than have southern heritage, but there's enough overlap for it to at least be plausible.
>>3965360
Also this. There have been concepts which were both actually edgy and which followed clever theming, like Deltarune's Rudy being Rudolf Hess, but because Youtube can be so strict and opaque it's hard to straddle that line. While not edgy by the standards of most anons, stuff like Noelle joining ICE is enough to upset the average Deltarune fan and I think that's what he's going for. I like the "hang 'em high" idea but good luck keeping that up on YT.
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>>3965370
Geno clover is no saint, but aside from starlo, mo and axis, he left non combatants alone. Thats not really a distinction the klan made.
I dont really understand why he still kills starlo even if you dont pull the trigger though. I assume its to show his sense of justice getting twisted. But thats an out of universe explanation.
Robbing mo is also clearly twisted, but I dont think you can shoot him can you?
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>>3965394
As I read it, Clover becomes increasingly impatient and ruthless during that route, as shown by his checks post-Axis and "DRY" internal narration in the Martlet fight.
While you could appeal to his sense of justice before - Martlet stopped attack so he did, Starlo was allowed a fair chance to fight back - Clover doesn't care anymore by the time we get towards the end of Steamworks. His resentment is taken on the empty robots passing by. His partnership with Flowey degrades in record time. He's been poaching Axis for the whole zone.
Mo is just another obstacle in his way, and guilty by association since he's a monster.
Also, Clover gets less and less talkative during the Genocide run, and he spent the entire game seeing every breathing monster as enemies. Mo is lucky Clover "just" robbed him.
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>>3965400
Ah yeah that's fair, I forgot about the other signs of him becoming more unhinged towards that part of the game and was thinking what a more reasonable minded justification would be. It just seemed weird because you don't really need the money so it felt like it should be kill vs dont kill rather than rob vs let go. Like even if hes guilty by association, robbing him is a bit off, but clovers more than a bit off by that point.
Also thats after the roba fight which caused many players a lot of deaths, so he could be even more unhinged from that.
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It seems I wasn't aware of just how much power the scrimblos have over me. After I felt like I was gonna have a heart attack over something involving a certain character in DRY and being unable to sleep all night, I spent the following day after I finally did manage to get some sleep feeling really depressed despite having no good reason to do so, and now today I'm feeling so anxious that I had to cancel all my plans (which granted weren't much)and stay home. And this is despite the thing that disquited me so badly being resolved amicably the day I learned of it. I haven't even started the new version of day 2 yet and its got me this bad.
Truly scrimblos are a powerful magic.
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>>3965405
Yes, but less in a nice "I'm too excited over (scrimblo) to sleep" and more of a terrible "genuine fear for the sake of (scrimblo) as if they were a real person I'm close to" way. You were probably there for it.
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>>3965407
>"I'm too excited over (scrimblo) to sleep"
In my own defense, I was actually thinking about some moderately normal things that night, it's not like I was so horny I couldn't sleep over it.
>more of a terrible "genuine fear for the sake of (scrimblo) as if they were a real person I'm close to" way.
I've felt that before too.
For your sake, I hope whichever character it is that has become the object of your affections manages to make it out okay.
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>>3965413
>spoiler
Well, I don't keep up with DRY, but I saw enough bits and pieces of a conversation earlier to maybe know who you're talking about.
If nothing else, at least they aren't dead, meaning they still have a chance to be freed.
Hope still remains.
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>>3965415
>please do take care of yourself.
I try to. I'm salient enough to know that this isn't normal and that its stupid to get this worked up over a work of fiction, but that doesn't stop it from happening anyways.
>Spoiler
Stuff like this really makes me think about the power I hold in my hands when writing my own scrimblos. Knowing that I could make other people feel the way I did then feels like I'm holding a loaded gun.
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>>3965419
>Just congratulate DRYanon on scoring a critical hit with his characters.
Oh yeah, props to DRYanon, I have a lot of respect for him, I'm glad to see his game is doing so well, I was more hit with the realization of how influential the anons here are, with you getting so worried over a character from one of the fangame, or me deciding to pick game dev because of Godotanon and DRYanon, or hell, even seeing the reactions people have shown to some of my characters, I never expected to form part of a community like this, but I'm glad a place like this exists on one of the internet's remote corners.
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>And if the game ends and my hopes run out, then my hopes will become dreams, and through my own hand, my dreams will become reality.
Perfect, that's exactly what I like to hear.
This mindset, more than any other, is what unites us.
The dreams.
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>>3965418
the best thing you can do, is wield that power irresponsibly. probably. While there are specific scrimblos I think about the most, A large number of them occupy a significant amount of my grey matter. As much as I've dedicated an unhealthy amount of neurons to the scrimblos. I'd still call writing about them to be a healthy creative outlet, even if thoughts about them make me want to scream at times. I'd probably be screaming about nothing otherwise
>>3965421
>I never expected to form part of a community like this, but I'm glad a place like this exists on one of the internet's remote corners.
9 months ago it was "giving this yellow thing a shot" and now it's "I'm more excited for what some anon cooks up next than deltarune itself".
I know that it's naturally a niche anonymous community, but part of me feels conflicted when I see the wider fandom not knowing about the things that have gotten made here. I don't want an overflow of tourists but I get this feeling of "do you even like video games?".
I don't know, weird feeling hard to describe. The community outside of here feels like a song and dance rather than people actually passionate about something, most of the time.
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>>3965429
>now it's "I'm more excited for what some anon cooks up next than deltarune itself".
Same, its not even that I dislike the new chapters, I actually enjoyed chapter 3 and 4 a lot, but there's something about the fangames here that just makes them feel more special, I guess its the "growth"? Seeing how every anon develops their skills, how they make mistakes and improve, it's not something that you can get from a professional game like Deltarune.
>I don't know, weird feeling hard to describe
I guess you are trying to say that you wish our community was bigger and more people knew about the fangames, but at the same time you don't want for the quality of the threads to drop with the influx of new users? At least that's how I feel about these threads.
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>>3965433
>What are you suggesting I go full Hussie? I don't think I want to do that.
no no I meant to create scrimblos that will make people feel that way, with no fear of the consequences. Load a scrimblo into the barrel and fire it at our hearts.
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>Same, its not even that I dislike the new chapters, I actually enjoyed chapter 3 and 4 a lot, but there's something about the fangames here that just makes them feel more special,
exactly. I had a lot of fun with 3 and 4, but everything here has still meant more to me.
I wonder if in a way toby felt something like this when he was a part of the romhack community.
>I guess you are trying to say that you wish our community was bigger and more people knew about the fangames, but at the same time you don't want for the quality of the threads to drop with the influx of new users? At least that's how I feel about these threads.
that's a good way to put it. It didn't bother me the other day when I saw that people who were too afraid to use 4chan were lurking the threads taking screenshots like they were on some secret mission. There's always been weirdos like that. What did bother me though is that none of it was about the games, the greens, the fics and the art. Just weirdos finding out what kind of drama other places get up to. Part of me thought "the fuck is wrong with you looking for stuff like that when there's absolute gold happening in these threads." or something like that.
Not that I'm encouraging those types to actually be here, but it feels like throwing pearls before swine or something.
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>>3965439
> with no fear of the consequences. Load a scrimblo into the barrel and fire it at our hearts.
No anon. Knowing how these things can hurt people I feel I at least need to know I'm sure before I put one between someone's eyes. Writing a cute story is one thing, but doing genuinely horrible things to the characters is another. I don't really want to hurt them at all, but character development has to happen somehow.
Ironic isn't it, that to make these characters real, I have to hurt them.
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>>3965440
It's a funny, convenient word for speaking of fangame characters in the broad sense. The words also been used on 4chan for years at this point.
Saying I've got scrimblo brain rot makes sense, everyone gets it. Most people who've been in these threads since yellow first came out get the idea of whats going on in some way.
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>>3965439
>Not that I'm encouraging those types to actually be here, but it feels like throwing pearls before swine or something.
Yeah, the existence of redditors and such lurking these threads actually annoyed me, it had to happen one day, but hey, it could be worse, at least they aren't posting here and trying to change the threads culture.
>>3965441
Funny, I think I made some of my characters pass for an exaggerated amount of misery, and the ending I have planned will be bittersweet at best for most of them, sometimes, I feel bad for the characters, but that's exactly the kind of emotion I want people to feel for them.
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>>3965448
It's not about spoilers.
I haven't been able to stop thinking about it after you said it in that post, and what you've said here only made me think about it more.
Were you seriously thinking about writing a post about one of your characters being subjected to that thing, just to see if it would hurt me?
You said as much before, but I didn't really know if I should've believed it, but I have to know.
Did you consider going that far, just for that?
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>>3965449
>it could be worse, at least they aren't posting here and trying to change the threads culture.
in that beat, yeah I'm glad that the old "notorious reputation" of the site did its job. It was just a weird feeling aside from all of that.
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>>3965449
>Funny, I think I made some of my characters pass for an exaggerated amount of misery
Are you speaking about a fangame or just your writing in general?
>sometimes, I feel bad for the characters, but that's exactly the kind of emotion I want people to feel for them.
For me its more about the narrative and thematic purpose of these characters' suffering than just how the audience feels about them. So every time I inflict something like this on a character I have to weigh the costs and benefits of doing it. I can't just do it with no thought, that would not only be a horrible waste of a character, but would cheapen the act as well, and make it lose meaning. And of course I don't like hurting the player indirectly either, even if I sometimes do need to do it to tell the story.
Its all a complicated risk assessment.
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>>3965456
>Are you speaking about a fangame or just your writing in general?
Fangame.
>For me its more about the narrative and thematic purpose of these characters' suffering than just how the audience feels about them.
>So every time I inflict something like this on a character I have to weigh the costs and benefits of doing it. I can't just do it with no thought, that would not only be a horrible waste of a character, but would cheapen the act as well
I understand that part, all the pain I've put my characters through had a reason, or at least I think it does, you can't make a tragic backstory without tragedy, nor an emotional scene without a reason to get emotional, anyway, you can't make them too tragic or it goes from sad to absurd.
>And of course I don't like hurting the player indirectly either, even if I sometimes do need to do it to tell the story.
I honestly don't care about hurting the player, but this is less me being an asshole, and more like me being sucker for games that make me feel emotional, which is only a handful. I still have my limits tho, I had to stop myself from being too cruel with some characters.
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>>3965452
No, at no point did I seriously consider sending Reynault or Racter to ultra mega hell. I was just trying to describe to you how that one concept made me feel in terms you would understand.
I don't think I'd do something so pointlessly cruel, and quite frankly stupid to my characters either. If bad things are going to happen then its going to have meaning, be relevant, and not be grimdark to the point of absurdity.
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>>3965460
Alright, fine.
I had already said that I was willing to accept your viewpoint even if I didn't see it myself, so I don't think you needed to go so far like that, but I'm glad you wouldn't go through with it.
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>>3965459
>Fangame
Would it be too much to ask which?
>but this is less me being an asshole, and more like me being sucker for games that make me feel emotional, which is only a handful
When making people feel you also have to take into account what kind of feelings the audience wants, expects, and would enjoy from the media their experiencing. I feel like bittersweet stuff is often poorly done because the context its placed in just makes it taste bitter. This is delving into my personal tastes, and I make no claim of this being objective fact, but I've always had a bone to pick with horror over this. Doing all this horrible stuff to characters who really don't deserve it. Just makes the whole thing feel arbitrary and by extension pointless. That's why I like gothic horror. The people in that almost always do deserve what they get, and things are always set right in the end, one way or another. That's what I like about Undertale's horror too. Everything terrible thing that happens is the player's fault, they directly cause all of it, and they get to lay in the bed they've made.
There's also the issue of things just feeling out of place. Again opinion, but I like to have at least the option to have nice things happen to the characters. Probably because of the standard set by the UT pacifist ending. It just feels nice having there be some way to save them, even if I have to go through hell to do it.
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>>3965464
>Would it be too much to ask which?
Isn't it obvious?Naranja
>When making people feel you also have to take into account what kind of feelings the audience wants, expects, and would enjoy from the media their experiencing.
I never know what to expect when I play a game, like, from the outside Undertale looks like a quirky RPG, and it is one, but then you got all the meta stuff and the game does have emotional moments even in the pacifist route, you got the whole tragedy with Asriel and Chara.
>I feel like bittersweet stuff is often poorly done because the context its placed in just makes it taste bitter.
Well, the ending has to have a bitter side, its in the nature of prequels like RDR2 or Halo Reach, unless you want to see the cast cheering on the MC's inevitable death.
>Doing all this horrible stuff to characters who really don't deserve it. Just makes the whole thing feel arbitrary and by extension pointless.
I personally don't see the problem in horrible things happening to good people in media, it is pointless when this suffering leads to absolutely nothing, but I think that kind of storytelling still has a place, usually in short stories where you don't get too attached to the characters.
>That's what I like about Undertale's horror too. Everything terrible thing that happens is the player's fault, they directly cause all of it, and they get to lay in the bed they've made.
I mean, in Undertale's case there's still terrible things that happened without the players involvement, everything surrounding the war, Chara, Flowey and the amalgamates just to give examples.
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>Deltarune Chapter 5
>Characters from fangames have their stands
>Naranja, DRY, Oldentale, Survey_Program2
>EVERYONE IS HERE.png
>Dark World is opened at the festival
>Noelle crashout at the end of the day
Are they surviving the Roaring?
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>>Naranja, DRY, Oldentale, Survey_Program2
>>EVERYONE IS HERE.png
>>Dark World is opened at the festival
Out FUCKING HEROES will save us.
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>>3965469
NTA but just know, if you make me cry over the ending I WILL write a happy alternative ending and you can't stop me.but yeah sadness in stories is important. I just as a story teller like there to be some kind of light in the dark or light at the end that must be earned through hardships. That happiness does not mean as much however without the pain that came before it.
>>3965473
>He didn't do the fight without the mantle
Val would have gone for a mantle-less win before people even realized you could win that fight.
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>>3965469
>Isn't it obvious? Naranja
Not really. I could've been talking to anyone.
>I never know what to expect when I play a game,
I usually have lots of expectations going into a game, and I'll usually develop some really strong ones by the end of the first act. Undertale bills itself as "the friendly rpg where no one has to die" and despite everything, it sticks by that. You really can spare everyone. I expected that a happy ending was possible and it indeed was. Yeah it surprised me, but it still gave me what it said on the tin.
>Well, the ending has to have a bitter side
That's why I said often. You can make a tragic ending feel satisfying. You just need to make it feel like the journey was worthwhile. I think UTY failed at that, and that's why it left players so dissatisfied with its ending. You should make the player feel like despite what happened, if they could do it all over again, they would, even knowing the cost.
>I personally don't see the problem in horrible things happening to good people in media,
That's why I prefaced it as personal taste. I don't even dislike it on principle, I just think its usually better for people to deserve what happens to them in some way than for it to just happen arbitrarily. I don't even think they have to be bad people, just flawed people who suffer because of their flaws in a way that feels fitting. And when bad things do happen to good people, I feel it needs a resolution. Its like a musical progression. It needs to be resolved. Things have to be set right, otherwise it just feels bad, and not in a good way. Maybe you can't save the character, bet then the person that did it needs to be punished. Again, in gothic horror this is the last man standing, the only one to overcome his fear, ignorance, and desire to submit to Dracula's call, pushing Dracula off a cliff so he's impaled on a conveniently placed cross.
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>in Undertale's case there's still terrible things that happened without the players involvement, everything surrounding the war, Chara, Flowey and the amalgamates just to give examples.
Those things are either somebody doing a horrible thing to themselves or are actively set right by the player.
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>>3965470
>Characters from fangames have their stands
Well we know what Kanako and Cole's stands are from that DRY SBR discussion ([WILD WEST HEROES] and [Technologic/E-MOTION]), but what are the other characters' stands?
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>>3965477
>Not really. I could've been talking to anyone.
Eh, fair enough, I thought my previous post made it more apparent who I was.
>Undertale bills itself as "the friendly rpg where no one has to die"
Alright, I'll give you that one, but I actually prefer when a game surprises me, I don't want the game to tell me a lie on its promotional material, but I do want to see something beyond whatever little expectations I might have.
>That's why I said often. You can make a tragic ending feel satisfying. You just need to make it feel like the journey was worthwhile.
Yes, I agree on that part, no one wants to see an anticlimactic and ending and feel like the journey was pointless.
>I think UTY failed at that, and that's why it left players so dissatisfied with its ending.
I think part of that reason is that Clover's sacrifice feels really abrupt and unnecessary, the monsters still needed one extra soul, so him dying right there wouldn't change much, his friends didn't really try to stop Clover from giving away his life either.
>You should make the player feel like despite what happened, if they could do it all over again, they would, even knowing the cost.
Well, I never said that the bittersweet (more bitter than sweet) would be the only ending, did I?
>That's why I prefaced it as personal taste.
I see, I can agree on the part of the bad things happening to good people needing some form of resolution, without the resolution, most of the time it turns into misery porn.
>those things are either somebody doing a horrible thing to themselves or are actively set right by the player.
Asriel is still dead tho, the kid suffered an horrible fate and his only crime was trusting his sibling too much, he's still stuck as a flower at the end of Undertale (or dead depending if you want to see Flowey as a continuation of Asriel).
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>>3965486
>his friends didn't really try to stop Clover from giving away his life either.
nta but
>Martlet saying she knows she couldn't convince Clover otherwise
>Clover folds fucking instantly the moement someone acts like a parent to him in most other timelines
I'll never stop being mad. There were other ways to handle it (as we've been exploring for 2 years now)
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>Ceroba being the first one to agree
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>>3965485
>The Knight:"Kris, good, you're here. Deal with these uninvited guests."
>Kris(2):"Who the hell are you?"
>The Knight: "The Roaring Knight. You know, your boss and former (and potentially future if you play your cards right) molester."
>Kris: "I know The Strange Knight. Some people call me a knight. I don't know who the hell you are."
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Do you think Chujin would drink alcohol casually at home, such as having the occasional glass of whiskey orgin? I mean yeah the japanese theming you could say Sake, but whiskey is somewhat popular in japan too.
It doesn't really breach anyone but The Roba being an alcoholic due to her loss, and anyone else drinking at dinas bar.
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>>3965492
>I don't know what theme song dbz used where he lived actually.
DBZ opening theme in Latin America (until Buu saga) is Chala Head Chala, but I think Eye of the Tiger or any other training montage music fits better as a name for the Shadowboxer.
>>3965493
>Maybe its stand ability is indestructible fists that can parry attacks.
Either that or something that lets it copy the enemies moves, the Shadowboxer has attacks with the same name as some of Val's techniques.
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>>3965486
>, but I actually prefer when a game surprises me
I like surprises too. I just also like the game giving me what I came for. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.
>I never said that the bittersweet (more bitter than sweet) would be the only ending, did I?
It did sound like you were implying that. Still I think it would be cool if that kind of "bad" ending still had its merits.
>most of the time it turns into misery porn.
That's my problem with most horror. Shit just sucks for the sake of it.
>Asriel is still dead tho, the kid suffered an horrible fate and his only crime was trusting his sibling too much,
He agreed to a murder suicide plot, then when he became a flower chose to do horrible things just to entertain himself. That makes him feel much more deserving of his fate. And even then it still finds a way to end his character arc on an optimistic note. Flowey may learn to be a better person because of the player's actions.
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>>3965501
Hmm, yes I could see it. If he were to somehow come back to life, maybe he'd bust out the drinks one night, unaware that the Roba had developed a drinking problem during his time "away".
That said what would they actually drink?
Roba at her lowest was probably at a "anything she could get ahold of" phase, but before and hopefully after that. Maybe a small variety of drinks if they casually drank together, but surely they'd have favorite drinks.
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>>3965497
>something that lets it copy the enemies moves,
Maybe its able to make a shadow copy of anyone and copies their abilities in the process. This includes stands. Obviously its weaker than the original (eg, if it copied star platinum it would only be able to stop time for an instant instead of multiple seconds) but still formidable.
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>>3965500
>It did sound like you were implying that. Still I think it would be cool if that kind of "bad" ending still had its merits.
Don't worry, I don't want the "canon" ending to feel pointless either.
>He agreed to a murder suicide plot,
I can excuse that part because he was still a dumb innocent kid, he thought they would break the barrier without killing any more humans (somehow), but Chara just wanted to go full genoslider on the villagers and Asriel paid the price when he tried to stop that, if Asriel where older I'd agree that he brought that to himself.
>then when he became a flower chose to do horrible things just to entertain himself.
Eh, Asriel came back as Flowey, but it was an Asriel without his empathy, I was about to make a longer post, but I don't feel like starting an argument this late into the night.
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>>3965507
>but it was an Asriel without his empathy,
Lacking empathy doesn't excuse his actions. He still knew they wrong, he just didn't feel bad about them anymore, he did them anyways. The game is pretty explicit in its framing of his actions as equivalent to yours in the genocide route.
Feel free to reply to this after you've had a nice long rest.
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>>3965504
>Maybe its able to make a shadow copy of anyone and copies their abilities in the process.
I can see the part of getting a weaker ability, but to make it more interesting, I'd say Val has to first defeat a copy of the Shadowboxer that uses said weaker ability, it fits with the idea of Val making fights harder for himself, turning a regular 1v1 into a temporary 1v2
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>>3965506
>Corn liquor
I'd know just the bourbon to give them. but it does make sense, what with all the corn.
>even though he actually hates the taste
that's hilarious. Thinking of the anon drinking buddies conversation. I can imagine Chujin ordering sake at the bar, Anon, knowing chujin doesn't actually like the stuff and just gets it for tradition, tells him to stop being a faggot and order what he wants.
>Listen here you shitty fox, if I have to deal with another night of you talking about how good that sake is with that pitiful look on your face I may just kill us both, now order a god damn screwdriver
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>>3965513
>Chujin ordering sake at the bar, Anon, knowing chujin doesn't actually like the stuff and just gets it for tradition, tells him to stop being a faggot and order what he wants.
>Listen here you shitty fox, if I have to deal with another night of you talking about how good that sake is with that pitiful look on your face I may just kill us both, now order a god damn screwdriver
Chujin stands on his order of Sake, looks anon straight in the eye, and downs the whole thing without blinking. Then, the instant anon blinks, he lets out a choked series of coughs, then orders the screwdriver.
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>>3965517
Amazing, stubborn god damn fox would never live that one down. Would be receiving the most vile tasting unique sake as a joke christmas present for years to come.
"oh how... thoughtful. No really, you shouldn't have..."
Bonus points if he can't admit to Ceroba that he hates the stuff and she pours him a drink of throughout the year and he forgets about it occasionally until she walks out with the bottle chilled or warmed.
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>>3965518
Really, I have no idea what you meant.
What is the opposite if not either of the things I said there?
If you just meant you weren't worried, that's not the "opposite" of being worried, that's just neutrality.
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>>3965520
Oh, he's been shackled to that damned sake since before he ever started drinking with anon. Even before he met his wife. Every year he gets a bottle, every year its the same brand, and every year he makes sure to polish off that bottle before the start of the next. Not because of bravado or because he has something to prove, but because every night before he finished his carpentry lessons, his teacher would pour two cups of sake, drink one, and tell him that if he could finish the other without flinching, he would become a master. He must have been 14 when he first attempted it. The vile liquor barely made it past his lips before he'd spit it all over teacher's face. Teacher just responded with a flat, disapproving stare, then he took the cup from Chujin's hands, poured another shot, and drank it without so much as blinking. "Father always did have horrible taste in liquor."
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>>3965522
I'd say being certain he'd be fine is the opposite of being worried about him. Though I guess I could say I'd be more worried about him doing something horrible to you. Then again, knowing what I know now, maybe you'd enjoy that.
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>>3965527
>Though I guess I could say I'd be more worried about him doing something horrible to you.
Based on what you told me of the sorts of "extreme pranks" he'd play on me knowing that one certain detail, I doubt he'd do anything too unnecessarily horrible.
I also doubt that you'd actually be worried even if he would.
>Then again, knowing what I know now, maybe you'd enjoy that.
Depends.
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>>3965529
>I also doubt that you'd actually be worried even if he would.
Oh come now, where would I be without my greatest nemesis to give me purpose. Why, if I couldn't fight with you over stupid trivial nonsense I don't know what I'd do.
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>>3965526
I have to hand it to you. You took this funny scenario and made it into a really good backstory piece.
saved. That's going in my personal headcanon about the stubborn fox.
Would probably be a long time before Anon could wrench that story out of him.
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>>3965530
I'm flattered, though it occurs to me that we haven't actually had much in the way of an actual fight lately.
I don't really count the other thing in the /v/, that wasn't really an argument about much of anything.
I actually don't think I've been involved in a major argument for a little while now, come to think of it.
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>Anon:"So what, you drink that torpedo fuel because of your old man? Fair enough, I guess, but you could at least cut yourself some slack and add some ice. "
>Chujin: "Ha ha, no, I don't think I could, even if I would very much like to. Father always liked his straight and unadulterated. He said that was how life was given to him, so that was how his drinks should be as well. So that is how I take it now."
>Anon: "Sounds like an awful hardass if he's still telling how to drink even from beyond the grave."
>Chujin: "..."
>Anon: "Oh shit, guess I really put my foot in my mouth huh? Sorry, I'm sure he was a good man. Ain't nothing wrong being a hardass. Especially not when you're sat between a rock and a hard place."
>Chujin:"..."
>Anon:"Oh come on, that one was funny!"
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>Chujin: "it's alright... Its just, my father doesn't have a grave."
>Anon: "This again? Come on, you know its a figure of speech. I know about monster funerals."
>Chujin: "Well you don't know all of it. Monsters turn to dust when they die, and that's all that remains of them, yes. No soul, no afterlife beyond their essence inhabiting an object until time and entropy destroy it. But that's not true of my father."
>Chujin looked down at his empty glass
>Chujin: "My father was a special kind of monster. A boss monster. Their souls are much stronger than those of common monsters, strong enough to persist after death. This strong soul grants the boss monster immense power and eternal youth. However, there are a finite number of boss monster souls in the world. Whenever one is born, its soul must be taken from somewhere."
>Chujin paused and took a deep breath
>Chujin: "As I grew, my father withered. Until eventually there was nothing left of him but dust. Dust and me. In a way I am my father's afterlife. Sometimes I wonder if he can see me, somehow sense what I'm doing. If he can, I doubt he's happy with what he sees. My father and I disagreed on many things. So I think that, if nothing else, I at least owe him his favorite drink."
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finally finished day 2 so I could escape from spoiler text hell, was a jolly good romp from start to finish. I loved all the little secrets and I was delightfully surprised by how much meat robotopia had on it's bones.
the story reveals were pretty boss, not TOO many of my headcanons were crushed so I give it a thumbs upnearly cried when I found out that dalv and bero were indeed writing each other letters
my only real grievances are admittedly personal but areI did get frustrated with some of the puzzles to the point of having to put the game down, the mirrored push block alignment puzzle took me several different attempts to understand what the hint meant by mirrored and the final squirt gun bouncing deflection puzzle took me a while because of how every single attempt would require me to cycle kanako through the entire gauntlet before I could try again. That being said the light beam mirror puzzle was pretty good, very video game-y if that makes any sense. I also had to search the threads for the password after getting stuck even after completing the puzzles because I kept doing shit like 1073, thankfully I had already beaten the shadow crystal boss beforehand so I got the hint that was dropped.
if things keep going the way they're going chapter 3 is going to be solid as a rock, you're doing God's work dryanon
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>>3965510
>Lacking empathy doesn't excuse his actions. He still knew they wrong, he just didn't feel bad about them anymore, he did them anyways. The game is pretty explicit in its framing of his actions as equivalent to yours in the genocide route.
I know Flowey's actions are meant to mirror that of a player that has played all the routes, I'm not gonna justify Flowey's actions, I'm just saying that I still think it's unfair how Asriel got stuck into a body with no empathy,
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Okay, Valravn anon here and I added stuff to the previously shared chapter after feedback gotten from anon here. Hope the expanded stuff makes things flow any better. If not then let me know and I'll see what I can do about it. All the new stuff (aside minor sentence changes) is in cyanit was a bitch to edit colors in rentry thats for sure.
https://rentry.org/iui8oige
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>>3965750
Like a fic or green of my own at some point. I pike the idea and the way you portrayed it. I had a stupid response from anon in mind, and I really enjoy the idea of Chujin getting a damn ningen friend
Also holy shit posts don't want to go through.
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>>3965761
>I pike the idea
Geez, anon. Its just a green. No need to get violent.
>. I had a stupid response from anon in mind
I hope to see it soon.
>Also holy shit posts don't want to go through.
Oh, so that's not just on my end.
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I struggled with getting to sleep for nearly four hours today, and took multiple melatonin pills just to try and get myself unconscious, but nothing worked.
After a while I got up, put on some calming music, and laid back down and started imaging Reynault pressing down on the palm of my hand with his thumb, while scratching the side of my head.
That worked.
Thinking about scrimblos works better than sleeping pills.
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>>3965774
It changes, but depending on what, I'm not completely sure, my brain just seems to be more susceptible to a different one whenever I do it.
Most commonly it's either Ceroba or Reynault, but other scrimblos like Racter or Luzma have also made their way into my half-conscious fantasies.
Maybe it just depends on what I want, and the idea of being soothed to sleep by Reynault is just what did the trick this time. Still only got about five hours though, but it's better than nothing.
I can imagine Reynault knowingly asking me if I slept well, while I look like utter hell.
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>>3965772
Once again, scrimblos seem to only cause loss of sleep for me. I ended up staying up really late and waking up with only 4 hours of sleep due to thinking about BunBun. It seems I can only become truly attached to the most worrisome and stressful scrimblos.
Then again, you seem to absolutely smitten with all these evil murder foxes (or retarded murder foxes in Roba's case), and you get nothing but pleasant (to you at least) thoughts about them. So maybe I'm just prone to worry and stress.
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>>3965778
>It seems I can only become truly attached to the most worrisome and stressful scrimblos.
Have you tried imagining good things happening to them, in spite of whatever usually happens to them?
I find that to be pleasant for some of my less peaceful scrimblos.
>Then again, you seem to absolutely smitten with all these evil murder foxes (or retarded murder foxes in Roba's case)
'Roba is not retarded you take that back.
>and you get nothing but pleasant (to you at least) thoughts about them.
I dunno, I may have weird thoughts a lot of the time, but I think the idea of having my hand held and being pet and scratched around the ears is nice, and not too terribly weird.
>So maybe I'm just prone to worry and stress.
Trust me, I absolutely worry and stress about a whole lot of things, I just imagine harder in order to punch through that when I have to.
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I actually have taken a liking to that one (forma de thread cryptid). I still don't care for the actual lore or drama, just think the idea is funny.
Anyways, I was mainly speaking about scrimblos seem to bring me a lot of worry. BunBun isn't the only one whose done this, I've had pretty intense nightmares involving Noelle before, who is my waifu before, and while its not UT related, it is similarly a scrimblo game, I had a pretty intense nightmare about Roxanne Wolf where I got to listen to her agonized screams as she was torn apart turned into some amalgam robot monster, and I could do nothing but watch.
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>>3965782
>Have you tried imagining good things happening to them, in spite of whatever usually happens to them?
That usually just drags my mind back to the idea of the horrible things happening to them. Honestly, at that point its easier to shift gears to something entirely unrelated.
>'Roba is not retarded you take that back.
Come on man, we both know she's a little tarded. She failed enough classes to graduate alongside a minor like Mooch, despite Roba herself being well within drinking age.
>h*ndholding
you disgusting pervert
> I absolutely worry and stress about a whole lot of things,
My coping mechanism has always been "don't think about it" because anything else just puts me in a negative feedback loop that makes me panic.
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>>3965783
NTA, but I'm not sure what the cause of that would be.
Whenever something terrible is happening in a dream I'm having, it's usually happening just to me, it's not some other person in the dream I end up having to worry about.
I've heard dreams are usually based on things you were thinking about subconsciously recently, so maybe you could try thinking about good and normal things happening to your scrimblos instead.
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>>3965786
>That usually just drags my mind back to the idea of the horrible things happening to them. Honestly, at that point its easier to shift gears to something entirely unrelated.
I feel like there's gotta be a way to break that connection, a way to imagine good things so hard that the bad things can't overcome it.
>Come on man, we both know she's a little tarded.
Absolutely not, never, how dare you insult my dream fox wife.
>you disgusting pervert
I have imagined Reynault wrapping his arms around me (as much as he can, given his small size) as I bury my face in his foxy chest fluff as I drift off to sleep, my fantasies are beyond the bounds of any perversion you've known.
Fear me.
>My coping mechanism has always been "don't think about it" because anything else just puts me in a negative feedback loop that makes me panic.
That's fair, and I certainly have my fair share of things I don't feel like thinking about, but sometimes I just unironically recite the "eat the path" mantra to myself to get myself through things.
Whatever works.
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>>3965789
>it's usually happening just to me,
I used to have nightmares like that all the time too, but I think at a certain point I made peace with my fears relating to myself. Used to be I was getting eaten alive by skinwalkers in my dreams or I got blown in half vertically by Nappa in DBZ, now I just disregard all the monsters and horrible things and go do something else. The only things related to me I still get nightmares about are those dreams where I accidentally kill someone and go to prison. I remember getting mauled to death by a police dog in one of those. The nightmares about scrimblos are a recent phenomena, prior to this I didn't dream about them at all. Maybe its some irl issues manifesting in my dreams, idk.
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>>3965473
Where we're going, we don't need no Shadow Mantle!
>>3965480
Susie's stand would be like if Silver Chariot had an axe instead of a sword and could shoot fireballs the way Brad does in Lisa. Speaking of that game, if OST titles were acceptable stand names, 666 Kill Chop Deluxe would be very on brand for Susie, but a more realistic one could be Dyers Eve.
Kris's stand is Ralsei. On his name tag, "Ralsei" is scribbled out and "Fear of the Dark" is hastily written above it.
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>>3965488God damn it you people need to stop leaking my game
Real talk, thanks for the idea of giving the Knight the formal title of Strange Knight.
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>>3965794
I guess that was a half truth about things that scare me. For the more trivial things, like scary movies or monsters from scary stories, I usually just make a joke out of it and trivialize the whole thing. I can't really do that here since joking about it just makes me sad, as if this were a real person and I was joking about something horrible that happened to them to make myself feel better.
You're lucky you got Reynault, he's got a thick skin and a good sense of humor. You could make a joke about him losing his one remaining arm or dying and he'd get the idea and laugh it off.
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>>3965800
>For the more trivial things, like scary movies or monsters from scary stories, I usually just make a joke out of it and trivialize the whole thing.
I myself have never actually been aware that I'm dreaming while in a dream, even when directly (if obtusely, and kind of inversely) told as such in the dream, so I usually just act how I would if that situation was real and I was being made to actually experience it, so horrible things usually just feel real to me, and I just have to deal with that.
>You could make a joke about him losing his one remaining arm or dying and he'd get the idea and laugh it off.
Jokes on you, I also don't feel great about joking about those things.
If he started dying or lost his last arm around me, I would near inconsolable, I would do anything to stop that, I'd give him my soul just to try and give him his limbs back through determination, you don't know how far I'd go for the scrimblos I love.
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>>3965797
>Susie's stand would be like if Silver Chariot had an axe instead of a sword
[MOLLY HATCHET]
>Kris's stand is Ralsei
No, his stand is ERAM. Its just a long distance automatic type he has little to no control over.
>yeah basically also susie has a ponytail
Its like the Diego(the world) versions of the characters. So I guess SURVEY Kris may have Ralsei as his stand if we want to go with the old theory that Ralsei is Kris's fursona (or more accurately idealized self).
>Real talk, thanks for the idea of giving the Knight the formal title of Strange Knight.
That's an old theory from the chapter 1 days. Seam refers to the knight as "The Strange Knight" then mentions "The Knight" separately. The former being the one who blackpilled Jevil while the latter was the one that created the dark fountain. At the time people thought these were two separate entities. The strange knight having come long before the current knight, and likely being gaster, going around handing out redpills and super powers. Meanwhile the former was usually thought to be Kris, or a collection of people which included Kris.
I believe I've already suggested this idea to you before. And if you want to have a more in depth spoilery discussion of the subject, you already have my gamejolt contact info.
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>>3965807
>I myself have never actually been aware that I'm dreaming while in a dream,
I'm not either, this was a thing I first started doing while awake to deal with things that scared me while I was awake, but it seems to have developed into a passive ability in my dreams. Things just tend to work out or change channels before they get too bad. Horrible thing happens to me? I was just watching it on TV. I die? I switch characters, then forget that I switched characters and just become me again. Horrible crisis is going on? I walk out of the room, discover something interesting and the dream shifts to being about me finding a secret room in my house full of vintage television sets.
>Jokes on you, I also don't feel great about joking about those things.
I stand corrected then. At least you know how Reynault would feel then, since he probably would tell a joke about it, even if he is in genuine mental and physical anguish over it, since that's just how he is.
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Gaster's just a myth invented by controlled opposition. She's looking for real crytids, like bigfoot.she wants him to sign her vinyl copy of his album
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>>3965820
Bigfoot would be a regular monster on the Underground, or maybe all the monsters that are seen as cryptids in the surface are hermits in the Underground, bigfoot could live in an out of bounds area just to avoid interacting with his fans.
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>>3965817
>I'm not either, this was a thing I first started doing while awake to deal with things that scared me while I was awake, but it seems to have developed into a passive ability in my dreams.
Well, it's cool that you've got a good "get out of nightmare free card", but I usually just have to deal with my horrible nightmares. At least sometimes I get something cool before it turns horrible, like that time I had a dream about being stuck in The Other Place, and was actually making some good progress at fighting my way out, before I had my heart ripped out by a Retainer unit. Good with the bad.
>I stand corrected then. At least you know how Reynault would feel then, since he probably would tell a joke about it, even if he is in genuine mental and physical anguish over it, since that's just how he is.
He would tell a joke and I would cry so fucking hard about it. I would actually start to bring my soul out so I could give it to him at that point, I would prioritize his survival and wellbeing over my own any day of the week.Not strictly related, but since we're on the topic of scrimblos, last night while out on a walk in the rain, I started daydreaming about protecting Reynault from some human that was attacking him, getting killed in the process, having Reynault quickly absorb my soul only for that to not be enough to beat the enemy human, but for him to be saved again anyway as my body gets up from pure determination to keep attacking the human while Reynault gets away with my soul to safety.
Even dead and split in twain, I would continue to fight to save his life. Whatever it takes.
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>>3965823
Bigfoot is like Elvis. He supposed died decades ago, but people still claim to see him every now and then, and Quetzali thinks he's still alive and thinks he's a master of exploring out of bounds areas, which is why no one's been able to prove he's still alive. And when she heard rumors that bigfoot had been seen by humans on the surface, she began to wonder if he'd found a way to boundary break out of the underground. That's she's so eager to meet him.
After all, his songs do sing about him walking the appalachian trail, great wall of china, the north, and the south pole. Maybe those were made up, maybe he was alive before the war. Or maybe, just maybe, he's been there in her lifetime.
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>>3965826
>The Other Place
What's that.
>and was actually making some good progress at fighting my way out, before I had my heart ripped out by a Retainer unit
I have dreams like that still, but they just don't scare me anymore. Its more like a fun adventure. Even when I die, its more like dying in a video game. I sorta just keep going.
>He would tell a joke and I would cry so fucking hard about it. I
That feels like the inverse of what would happen if I tried to tell a joke about what's bothering me to BunBun. I feel like she'd just cry.
>spoiler
Mon Dieu, what imagination you have. Have you envisaged writing the romance?
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>>3965809
We always have discussions without me realising it's you, haha.
Yeah, ERAM would be canon Kris's stand, and Ralsei would be SURVEY Kris's. I've always thought of SURVEY as the FMA2003 to Deltarune's manga, but I could see the Scary Monsters/The World versions of Diego being a parallel as well.
Now that I think about it, you probably have, yeah. I seem to remember that "two knights" theory coming up in discussion now, and even agreeing it would fit into SURVEY's story. As expected of the guy who can never remember what he has for breakfast.
I was thinking the Strange Knight would be a good way to distinguish from the canon Roaring Knight, but I just remembered King calls the knight the "Holy Knight." So we can still distinguish between SURVEY's Strange Knight and Holy Knight, and canon's Roaring Knight.
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>>3965829
Yeah, but that only would work if people already knew who it was, it'd need to appear elsewhere for people to be aware of it.
It's not like the FUN posters in Yellow or gaster followers which are fairly overt.
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>>3965836
>What's that.
Purgatory in the Madness Combat universe. One of two places people in that world end up in, the other being Hell. The Other Place mostly just consists of fighting people to the "death" endlessly, until you can find a way to claw your way out (usually with outside help) or you get the attention of a Retainer, special units designed to keep people in purgatory.
>Even when I die, its more like dying in a video game. I sorta just keep going.
Well, my dreams somehow manage to make me feel actual pain sometimes, so I'm less enthused about that. That's what made that one dream I talked about once so bad, I could feel it.
>That feels like the inverse of what would happen if I tried to tell a joke about what's bothering me to BunBun. I feel like she'd just cry.
Well in that case, wouldn't the joke be on them, since they're part of what's bothering you so much?
It's only gallows humor if you're the one being hanged.
>Mon Dieu, what imagination you have. Have you envisaged writing the romance?
I honestly don't consider myself a writer, though the various ideas I've had about Reynault have nearly convinced me to take a crack at it a few times, admittedly. I've never done it, I've never really had the time to dedicate to it, and I also just don't think I'd be any good at it. Drawing is one thing, because even if I don't characterize the actual characters too well, that's just one aspect of the drawing, it can still be a cool thing to look at. If I mischaracterize a character when it's *just* writing I have to worry about, then it's all garbage, since the writing is all there is.
I might use the ideas I have for him for drawings at some point, since I don't want them to go to complete waste. I doubt you'll like them too much though, since while a lot of them aren't actually inherently sexual in nature, they're still born of feelings that seem to be held by me and me alone towards Reynault, so these future drawings will likely have an audience of one.
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>>3965841
>Yeah, ERAM would be canon Kris's stand, and Ralsei would be SURVEY Kris's
I imagine they'd be strange stands in that it at first seems as though Kris doesn't have a stand, but can miraculously see stands anyways. With Ralsei appearing to just be his own person and ERAM appearing like a long distance stand with an unknown user. Maybe in this dark worlds are also the work of a stand ability (possibly named [FANTASIA])(or maybe they're more like devil's palms) so fantastical things existing inside of them isn't unheard of. However Kris displays some strange traits that can't be explained away. At first maybe it seems like its just him using the dark world objects to his advantage, then later as (you) are revealed it seems like its your ability [NATIONAL ACROBAT] (which allows its user to live vicariously through others by possessing them and jumping between parallel universes, giving the illusion of time travel), but then late in the part it'd be revealed what Kris's true stand is.
What would Ralsei and ERAM's abilities be? And their actual stand names, assuming those names are just aliases.
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>>3965860
I didn't say that, closest thing to something like that I've said is that it wouldn't work to have it appear in the background obscured by other characters without knowing in advance to look for it.
That being said you don't seem like you're being earnest so I'm going to stop talking to you.
I just think it's funny.
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>>3965841
>Holy Knight
Could tie into Oberon Smog, which was another popular fan theory. Either Gerson's dust is a knight, or he's an intentional fake out meant to resemble the Holy Knight. Maybe even intentional in universe, being created as a distraction.
I'm personally a fan of multi knight. Which is the theory that multiple people are creating dark worlds independently and merely being conflated by ignorant darkners. With the only consistent knight being the strange knight, who was working in the background.
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>>3965844
>wouldn't the joke be on them, since they're part of what's bothering you so much?It's only gallows humor if you're the one being hanged.
No, because she's this innocent, pure, and sweet thing and I can't bear the thought of seeing her hurt. Physically or emotionally.
I thinkI know what I'd like to dokick the Warden's ass, break BunBun out of prison, take her back to the land of the sky, tell Kanako that she can't just let her friends go like that when they need her help, then tell Batty that her role is and always has been to fight at Kanako's side, and that that's the only way she'll ever truly be happy, then they'll hug and make up, and have a cute little tea party with all the other stuffed animals just like she and Kanako used to do when Kanako was little. And then I'll kick the Outlaw'ss ass for corrupting such a pure and innocent thing, and I don't care if that means kicking Sadie's teeth in, or putting Starlo in a full body cast.We're all gonna be friends, and I don't care who's ass I have to kick to make that happen.
>Reynault
Tl note: Reynault was trying to say "you should write novels" but the French word for novel is "romans", causing him to confuse it with "romance". The only thing worse than his condition is his English.
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>>3965849
I think its scrimblos that tie us together. Even mr "I am a logical machine that only cares about gaster" had to admit his love of goofy fox OCs.
I'd say Yagami falls under the scrimblo umbrella. Even if he is a controversial fringe case. He's not what ties us all together though. Just an example of the phenomenon that does.
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>>3965874
>No, because she's this innocent, pure, and sweet thing and I can't bear the thought of seeing her hurt. Physically or emotionally.
That's what I meant, since you talked about making a joke about what bothers you, and it seems that what's happening to this Bun Bun character is what's bothering you, so I thought you meant a joke about her.
>We're all gonna be friends, and I don't care who's ass I have to kick to make that happen.
Whatever it takes, right?
You know, I have a theory about the nature of DR's world, and while I imagine that doesn't apply to DRY necessarily, I think it could put a potentially more positive spin on things, even if things aren't good in the short-term.
>Tl note: Reynault was trying to say "you should write novels" but the French word for novel is "romans", causing him to confuse it with "romance". The only thing worse than his condition is his English.
Well, that was a little confusing in plain text, but I guess I get it now.
I still remember talking about all this with a friend at one point, and he said I was "cooked" when I said that I think Reynault's goofy french mannerisms are part of what I find attractive about him.
But anyway, like I said, I don't think I'd be a good writer, and unlike all the other scrimblos here, Reynault definitely doesn't seem to have a particularly big following like that, so I doubt my poor attempt at writing tender vulnerability would be particularly well-received. Hard to write emotions when you already feel like a machine, you know how I mean.
Still, if the thread doesn't take too much offense to it, I would be happy to showcase any weirdly-specific but non-sexual drawings of him here when I get around to making them.
He is easily my second favorite scrimblo next to Ceroba by this point, and I'd like to show some more intricate and personal appreciation for him sometime.
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>>3965880
>so I thought you meant a joke about her.
That's what I meant. I was saying because the joke would hurt her it wouldn't make me feel better.
>You know, I have a theory about the nature of DR's world, a
I'd like to hear it.
>I still remember talking about all this with a friend at one point, and he said I was "cooked"
Diddy blud hangin with zoomer jits. Blud thinks he's Epstein.
>Hard to write emotions when you already feel like a machine,
I think you'd have a better grasp of uim than you know.
Anyways, I'd read anything you wrote about him that wasn't outright smut. If only because I want to see my boy be happy and popular.
But I do like your drawings. All fanart is appreciated. Even the stuff I'm too straight to enjoy looking at.
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>>3965883
>That's what I meant. I was saying because the joke would hurt her it wouldn't make me feel better.
Well that's what I was saying at first, so I'm not sure where you got confused.
>I'd like to hear it.
It's a popular theory, one you've likely heard before as a matter of fact. I remember being in an old Homestuck chat back when DR first came out, and it was the first theory about DR I ever saw.
The world of DR exists on the other side of a scratch of the world of UT. Back then people thought it was post-scratch, but now I think we know better. I believe something is going to happen to DR's world that will cause it to be restructured, "rewritten", almost, into being the world of UT. Though, unlike a true scratch, those inside the world of DR won't be obliterated and replaced with copies of themselves, their essences will transfer over. I think there are a few too many connections between people as they are, too many details that don't add up, for there not to still be some connective thread for them between universes, between times.
I know DRY apparently isn't connected to actual DR like UTY was for UT, but if it was, I could imagine that things may get better for this Bun Bun character, after whatever happens to the world.
I could go more into detail about why I believe this to be true, but this is already a bit long, and this is largely just a personal theory of mine when it comes to why I believe it, so I wouldn't want it to turn into a fight right now.
>Diddy blud hangin with zoomer jits. Blud thinks he's Epstein.
Yeah, I don't know. He's around the same age as me, and I'm a 2000s guy, so I don't know why he talks like that so much. Still, he's my friend.
>I think you'd have a better grasp of uim than you know.
I dunno, maybe. I know all my fantasies around him are just wishful thinking at the end of the day, that if I existed alongside him, maybe he'd feel for me as I do for him. Just wishful thinking.
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>>3965883
Huh, site keeps hiccuping. Anyway.
>Anyways, I'd read anything you wrote about him that wasn't outright smut.
Surprisingly, only one of the writing ideas I had for him was sexual in nature. The rest of the ideas I've thought up about him are either dumb romantic stuff or much more specific ideas stemming from personal fantasies. I mean, it's all fantasies, but you get the idea.
I can imagine you'd probably be turned off by even the non-sex stuff I think about with him, but it is how it is.
Maybe someday I'll take a crack at him in writing, but I'd probably like to have a better handle on him before then.
>But I do like your drawings. All fanart is appreciated. Even the stuff I'm too straight to enjoy looking at.
Technically I've drawn more explicit stuff of your women than of your men, but fair.
I'm glad you like them to whatever extent you do, even if we rarely see eye-to-eye on the vast majority of matters.
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>>3965886
>I believe something is going to happen to DR's world that will cause it to be restructured, "rewritten", almost, into being the world of UT.
I don't subscribe to that theory and personally dislike it. I think of the DR universe being like the SBR universe. Its just another universe where things are mixed up and rearranged. The only things similar to that I believe are that Sans Undertale and Sans Deltarune swapped places at some point before the events of both games. And maybe that Deltarune's world is trapped in a time loop of being destroyed then reset.
>that things may get better for this Bun Bun character,
BunBun is a darkner. I don't think the object she's based on even exists in UTY, and if she did then she'd be nothing more than an inanimate plush toy, meanwhile her owner would be Kanako as she is in UTY. That being a sad pile of goop with dementia trapped in Alphys's basement. That theory doesn't really help at all.
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>>3965886
>He's around the same age as me, and I'm a 2000s guy, so I don't know why he talks like that so much.
I was born in the late 90s. Half the people I've met around my age genuinely speak like this, and the other half think it sounds strange.
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I made a post trying to reply to this, and it just vanished apparently.
Anyone know what's up with this place lately?
This is around the same time it went down last year, too.
Anyway, I think I see things differently than you do, but even still, I think things can get better for that character you like so much.
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>>3965891
I made a post trying to reply to this, and it just vanished apparently.
Anyone know what's up with this place lately?
This is around the same time it went down last year, too.
Anyway, I think I see things differently than you do, but even still, I think things can get better for that character you like so much.
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>>3965891
>BunBun is a darkner. I don't think the object she's based on even exists in UTY
she is based on a bunny doll that is in kanako's room but it doesn't have any special checks or anything, so bunbun is pretty much a DRY OC
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>>3965895
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>>3965894
Well him and me are both older than Halo 2, so I don't know what's up with that.
Modern slang always sounded wrong to me, most I'd do with it is intentionally use it wrong to fuck with the people who use it unironically.
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>>3965910
Well, I don't keep up with DRY, but based on how Darkners work in the DR world, I'm not sure that's what I'd bet on myself.
I personally believe that it's possible the whole light/dark thing could come into play if the world gets rewritten, since some of the Darkners remind me of monsters seen in UT proper, so under my personal interpretation of things, I'd still say there's hope somewhere, even if it's a bumpy road to get there.
Still, we just see things our own way, it is how it is.
Like I said before, it's all wishful thinking, and dreams.
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>>3965547
Also nice!
that reminds me, I was hoping you couldwater gun Kanako when you split up in the puzzle rooms but sadly, I am denied my slapstick
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I went ahead and updated the link, and added the old link below it as a past version link.
Something I wanted to ask about, is that chapter 2 seems to start about a quarter way into the rentry, and the rentry starts mid chapter. If you ever want to re-organize the rentries to start at the chapters, I can reorganize the links.
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>>3965912
If there were a monster equivalent of BunBun, I don't think that would be BunBun. Too much would have changed for it to be her. Its like saying that Caesar Zeppeli and Gyro Zeppeli are the same person because they're alternate universe counterparts.
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>>3965880
>But anyway, like I said, I don't think I'd be a good writer, and unlike all the other scrimblos here, Reynault definitely doesn't seem to have a particularly big following like that, so I doubt my poor attempt at writing tender vulnerability would be particularly well-received. Hard to write emotions when you already feel like a machine, you know how I mean.
nta but, you should do it anyways. We've got every different flavor of unhinged obsession imagining every kind of scenario from finding true love, being cared for, and some sick fucks who are even fantasizing aboutjust having a good friend in one of the scrimblos
I am fairly confident I've thrown some fantasies out there that I am alone in their highly specific nature, but sometimes just the attempt at creativity gets other anons thinking and adding suggestions.
Why, if I wasn't so mightily exhausted, I'd be working on astounding levels of autism to inflict others with right this moment.
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>>3965917
I think it could go either way depending on how you handle it, but then we're just arguing over the nature of how a world gets rewritten anyway, which is besides the point.
For whatever it's worth, I hope your scrimblo makes it out in the end.
In the meantime, I will continue to imagine c*ddling, h*ndholding, and k*ssing Reynault to my heart's content.
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You know unfortunately this is still the least shitty place for the devs to post given their usecase.
Even if right now it's basically totally busted.
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>>3965919
I'm not sure the sorts of things I'm thinking of with Reynault are the sorts of ideas that other people would be too interested in engaging with, if I'm honest.
Even when I'm not thinking with my crotch, my mind goes to some strange places few others tend to venture to.
And again, never really have the time, what with all the other things I need/want to do. If I pile up too much, I just won't get anything done at all.
Like I said before, probably best I just stick to drawing for the foreseeable future.
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>>3965933
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>>3965954
Quetzali is UTN's potential woman
>Potentially the character that helps you find OOB areas
>Potentially the most important explorer
>Potentially a boss monster
>Potentially a love interest
But I'm not complaining
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>>3965971
>...What's the "theme" of Integrity anyway? I don't remember any tracks for the Fallen in Undertale Prime or Yellow
Every soul in in the Omega Flowey fight has an unique sound playing on the background at all times (with the exception of the cyan soul), the fandom usually use those sounds whenever they make themes for the soul, Yellow does it too, you can hear the yellow soul leitmotif in several themes through the game the main ones being Justice and A Mother's Love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK28l5EN4qw
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>>3965974
>Yellow does it too, you can hear the yellow soul leitmotif in several themes through the game the main ones being Justice
nta and it took me a moment, but by slowing it down in my mind I recognized Eastwood's theme. Which is the Wild East's theme.
In the Justice theme itself the instruments and the rhytm are too different so I can't hear it.
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>>3965913
Technically that's not chapter 2, librarby anon. I just haven't split up the entire story into chapters yet formally as I'm just writing it in one big document but other anons said it would be easier to read if I only posted newer stuff separately instead of one big document every time.
Also what did you think of the added stuff?
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I have made a normal image of Luzma.
This isn't what I wanted to work on tonight, but I couldn't really stop thinking about her, so I made this relatively quickly.
I hope you enjoy: https://files.catbox.moe/ndpdmt.pngI gave this and the last image dumb joke file names but it occurs to me that literally no way of posting this will actually retain that so oh well
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>>3966101
>You seem to really be into her.
I have several ideas for drawings of her that I have been struggling not to do in favor of the thing I said I'd do and am supposed to be doing.
She has a very nice design and is relatively easy to draw, which is basically the worst possible combination of things when it comes to me trying to get anything else done.
I need to get her out of my brain.
>Wish I had your drive and speed to draw.
Another byproduct of scrimblo poisoning, I have little control over this if I'm honest.
She's really fun to draw, she's a fun character, and that's apparently all that she needs in order to completely hijack my executive functioning.
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>>3966111
>This was fast, I honestly don't know else what to say, other than the drawing came out nicely.
Thank you, I appreciate it. I also appreciate what the other guy said in his post but I forgot to say that because tired.
>what were the joke names?
This recent one was titled under "ifyou'rewonderingwhyherboobsarelikethatwhenshe'slayingdownit'sbecause heatrises", in reference to the fact that her boobs would not be positioned as such with her laying down like that but also I didn't feel like trying to work out how they should actually look in my head, so I guess her boobs are floating because thermodynamics.
The one before this one was titled "whatifluzmawastrappedandbetrayedinthehyperbolicticklechamber", because uh.
I forget actually, but I remember snickering to myself about it before going to bed after I posted it because I have a terrible sense of humor.
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>>3966117
A double-edged sword, it seems.
Scrimblos can offer enhanced focus and energy, at the price of having less say over what I use that on.
Before I was even done with this drawing, I was already planning out an image of Luzma and an anon getting married happily.
Yes, I did write that down somewhere, I am compelled to do it eventually. It's a little more complex so I can stave off doing it right away, but that won't help if something else gets me before then anyway.
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>>3966119
>whatifluzmawastrappedandbetrayedinthehyperbolicticklechamber
Alright, that one is kinda funny.
>>3966122
>Before I was even done with this drawing, I was already planning out an image of Luzma and an anon getting married happily.
Luzma might not have the kind same grip on you as some of the other scrimblos here, but her genjutsu is still strong enough to force you into drawing her.
>>3966127
There is nothing worrying about getting inspired by OCs, we could all be doing something less productive, but instead out scrimblos motivate us to develop skills like coding, drawing or writing.
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>>3966127
If it was fine for Gaius Baltar it's fine for me.
Don't think about that too hard though.
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>>3966130
>Luzma might not have the kind same grip on you as some of the other scrimblos here, but her genjutsu is still strong enough to force you into drawing her.
She's probably my third favorite scrimblo, with Reynault being second, and Ceroba being first.
I'm surprised how much I started liking Luzma though, at first I just liked that laughing detail, but the more I thought about her, the more I started to really, really like her. She doesn't have admin access over my entire brain like Ceroba does or anything, but I've been passively coming up with tons of ideas for her, a lot of them not even being super specifically weird or freaky, like my first two were for her.
Every time this happens to me I feel like Flowey feeling emotions again and not knowing what the hell is happening.
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>>3966131
>I envy your autistic determination anon, godspeed with future endeavors.
Thank you, and I hope my future work is still enjoyable for these threads.
Even if I occasionally lose control and draw something exceptionally weird from time to time.
>I'm happy if I can even finish a drawing in like a week, much less two days or so.
Part of what I tried to improve upon when I started re-learning how to draw last year was speed, so I usually try to adhere to a maximum of one week for a more complex drawing, and three days for a simpler one. I can't always manage that when I have more things to attend to, but I think I still got some general improvements from that, since I did this drawing in just a few hours. Still felt a bit slow to me though.
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>>3966139
>She's probably my third favorite scrimblo, with Reynault being second, and Ceroba being first.
>I'm surprised how much I started liking Luzma though, at first I just liked that laughing detail, but the more I thought about her, the more I started to really, really like her.
So this started as lust and turned into something else? That's cute in an odd way.
>Every time this happens to me I feel like Flowey feeling emotions again and not knowing what the hell is happening.
Looks to me that you always had emotions, you just needed "people" to dig the up for your. How many scrimblos you think you could handle before you have too many?
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>>3966140
In just a few hours is damn impressive anon. As for me, sadly I have lot of things going on at once but usually gaming and heavy-duty procastrination wins over so it detracts from my actual drawing times. And on top of that the during drawing/writing/actual creative stuff I'm constantly distracting myself.
I envy people likeWMDiscoveryfor their insane and probably borderline detrimental speed and skill. Dude did 212 thigh up pictures of high quality last year in a single month for an event. I pity his wrists and hands thats for sure.
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>>3966142
>So this started as lust and turned into something else? That's cute in an odd way.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely still have those weirder desires towards her, they've just changed, somehow. I don't know how to describe it, it's like I've been infected with something.
>Looks to me that you always had emotions, you just needed "people" to dig the up for your. How many scrimblos you think you could handle before you have too many?
Hm.
I currently only have the three main ones that have such a level of, influence, over me, for lack of a better word, and I doubt any other scrimblos I've seen will manage to affect me the same way.
Still, I could probably do with hardening my heart just a bit, before things go too far.
Just Ceroba was enough to temporarily break my brain for a bit last year, though there were some extenuating circumstances around that, so having multiple bombs in my head waiting to go off isn't exactly ideal.
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>>3966145
>And on top of that the during drawing/writing/actual creative stuff I'm constantly distracting myself.
I'm not sure I have much advice for that, but sometimes when I get really into something, I sort of go beyond being able to be distracted. Just an absolute focus on whatever it is I'm doing, though I'm usually unable to dictate when this happens.
I have a rather, odd, example from when I was working on the Luzma image earlier tonight, though I think I'll refrain from sharing it for now.
Focus is a weird thing, I dunno.
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>>3966149
>Don't get me wrong, I absolutely still have those weirder desires towards her,
I wasn't implying you lost them, just that you feel more for her now.
>they've just changed, somehow. I don't know how to describe it, it's like I've been infected with something.
Can't say I've ever felt that towards a character, but maybe the scrimblo that will "infect me" hasn't been made yet or is waiting to be discovered in another hidden sect of fangame devs somewehre in the vast internet.
>and I doubt any other scrimblos I've seen will manage to affect me the same way.
I guess having two characters that pander to some of your specific tastes in this Mongolian basket weaving forum coming back to back was already too much coincidence, but you never know, maybe SURVEY_2 or Geltarune will include characters that just scratch an itch you've been ignoring, the flow of OCs seems to have gotten bigger since last year.
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Alright, I'm going to bed, I should've been asleep several hours ago, but you know the deal already.
I'm glad my work was enjoyed by some, I like contributing to these threads as such.
I haven't uploaded it to esix though, tired.
Someone else'll have to handle that, if you see fit.
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>>3966127
Its long past worrying, but I'm better off with scrimblos than without. I'd still be driving to work with not enough sleep for not enough money, but at least this way I get to imagine the bird in the meanswhile.
If the autism results in fics and art then consider it entertainment to tide us over while the devs work their dark pacts.
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>>3966174
That's different, he's an online artist who happens to use 4chan, like Signirsol, that wasn't the first time he posted in these threads, previously he posted a WIP image of Zenith Martlet, and later he posted the full thing on his Twitter.
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>>3966146
Yeah I only drew the second picture, I don't know who drew the first. Here's one more from someone else from the same place.There was another Yagi doodle from someone else, but I don't know if you guys wanna see it
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>>3966209
Here you go since you asked
Sorry it took me a bit, 4chan wouldn't let me post
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Deltarune chapter 2 on PS2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azPO9y2Fmkw
This is impressive because Butterscotch is currently written for the older version of gamemaker SURVEY PROGRAM was made in. As opposed to the newer version chapter 2 is made in. Butterscotch is making excellent progress. Additionally you can now complete Undertale on the PS2 if you farm enough gold to skip the muffet fight.
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fixed almost all reported bugs (except the one where sometimes battles fail to load, I can't replicate that one, I've only had it happen once to me but never was able to repro again)
anyway there is now a sizeable amount of original tracks, so I added this darkner guy into the dark jail (I was going to add him after chapter 3 but there are enough tracks now). as long as you talked to him in the forest and then in town in ch 1, he will appear once the ch 1 fountain is closed
you can listen to all original tracks with him now as you unlock them (by just completing the event where they play at first)
I also added the upstairs theme an anon made a while ago but I forgot to before
if anyone has better name suggestions for the tracks, feel free to suggest them
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>>3966280
I don't recall reading about the "fencer buster" name. I thought about naming it "yellow buster", but the filename is just "rude buster yellow" so that's what I went with
>>3966270
never saw this, was it because you completed the puzzle at the edge of the map, or are you playing in 30 fps mode? (30 fps is very incomplete and needs a lot of fixing, so I haven't bothered with it yet)
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>>3966301
yes I forgot to like the upstairs theme, it is being added now (at least I assume its the version up at the other place)
(it is the theme called "Axis 014 Engaging!" in the list, but you can suggest a better name if you want, same with "Glorious Robotopia" being the meltdown remix)
>Also, I've started working on a theme for the Spire.
if you can finish it by this weekend I can add it in the patch, no rush though, otherwise it will be added whenever the next update is
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>>3966296
>was it because you completed the puzzle at the edge of the map
This happens when I start the puzzle.
>or are you playing in 30 fps mode?
Its the default option so that's what I was playing with. You should consider adding a disclaimer if its still buggy.
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>>3966310
the default setting should be 60 fps, there is also vsync but I don't have a monitor with more than 60hz to test how the game behaves on anything higher than 60
anyway I haven't seen anyone else report that or had it happen on my tests, so I will have to take a look at it later
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>>3966313
Well switching to 60fps fixes it, but 60 fps feels nasty to play. Its like watching a 60fps YouTube video, gives me motion sickness. I think I'd rather have an infinite amount of bugs than play that for 5 minutes.
I don't think v-sync does anything other than 30fps, since the issue persists and it feels like 30fps. This is despite my monitor running at 100Hz.
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>>3966347
First requirement is passing the Harkness test, second is proving that you won't kill your human with your anatomy, like fire elementals that can't control the heat of their flames, or monsters that are toxic to the human touch.
These permits are very important for monsters living among humans in the surface.