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>>2332521
https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/xkpm9x.png - VP flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP Hawaii crisis.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/sl8afo.jpeg - VP Wallace tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/r8c6i3.jpg - VP Goldwater tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/3v5h8h.pdf - Leaked Yorty Doc. Exactly what you'd expect from mango.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP 2024 partial rework leak, Republicans weren't evil enough.
https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP 2025 events leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/wc3nax.png - Hall flowchart. Go left-liberal or get a fail state.
https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.
https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.
https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.
https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p wall of text about Colombian soccer mechanics.
https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.
https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.
https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.

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>>2332521
>>2332522
>REWORK REVIEW
>TNO fails to release a compatibility patch as the mod enters its third month of being unplayable.
>All leaked internal estimates for the Iberia rework's release have been missed.
>An Amur build leaks onto BiliBili: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17ek5ByEob/?spm_id_from=333.1387.upload.video_card.click
>TNO:RA updates to the newest DLC!
>Rises Again also rediscovers the cut pre-release India content, pledge to restore it.
>TNO:R also updated to work with the newest DLC, says that Berezniki will be their next major release.
>AMPU, the leaked US proposal for TNO:R, is ditched and turned into a submod.
>TFO teased some Chinese content they're working on?
>PNO is working on Squidward content; unironically more interesting than TNO.
>Some YouTube drama came, went, and was redirected from TNO to GWR in under a week.
>Mango got into some nothingburger Discord fight that somehow lead to a LARPy silencing campaign.
>Ashley resurfaces; pledges to report TNO to MSS for supporting Manchurian separatism.

>LEAKED BUILDS
Don't let them erase history.
2018: https://mega.nz/file/nRhmFShK#rjgJXFH5fh7Y9tfIxtH47YuuOOeJhylhrcJfujCdgcg
2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe
2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/
2023:
https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuo
https://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions End
https://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Web
https://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branch
https://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides

I should write a fanfiction set in TNO's Ethiopia.

Any more Yippie leaks recently?

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>>2332606
Keep in mind that the Italian Fascists had a song dedicated to Bleaching Ethiopian and Somalian girls

>>2332637
A wasted effort, Trust me if they actually knew what somalis looked like they would march straight back to rome

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So it turns out that Error Log, the guy who lost a debate to Mango, is actually the alt of a friend of LoreDad, a HOI4 YouTuber and former Kalter Krieg developer. The channel is completely astroturfed and this explains why LoreDad propped up EL since day one. There's more on KF including Error Log praising himself on Discord so have fun with that.

>>2332642
So basically every hoi4 drama is a bunch of retards baseding out at each other?

>>2332647
fucking janny autocorrect, I meant fagging

>>2332636
Its in fine tuning so probably something new soon, that usually means dev info is more open to see

Oh ffs he's starting with that shit again

>>2332670
just ignore him, why would you even acknowledge him, are you retarded?

>>2332522
> Keeping the fake gus hall flowchart
Faggoted thread, wont be using this

>>2332647
Yeah, pretty much. It's all fake.

>>2332673
The guy that called it fake in the last thread provided no proof of his claims. If you know it's wrong, post the real deal and the baker will change it in the next thread.

>>2332640
Somali girls tend to look quite pretty, actually. Especially compared to the men.

>>2332683
It's straight up just the schlafly flowchart with words changed around, it talks about the old lore for how hall gets elected instead of the new one in the yippie flowchart, it also uses the old portrait in the vote pig doc instead of the new.

How are you possibly so retarded as to believe this, send me your skull you subhuman you need to be analyzed for scientific purposes.

Why do you hate Uk flowchart :(
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Second bake without it

>>2332920
>>2332521
>BAKER HERE
I must've tested it when Catbox had a brief hiccup or something earlier today because the link didn't load for me so I assumed it was broken. It loads just fine now so I'll make sure to include it in the next bake and I also tagged the OP to give your post more visibility.

>>2332521
The DV leaks link is broken

>>2332942
Should've gone with MEGA. That's the second one the TNO devs have taken down. But to be fair you can figure out most routes by checking their Wiki page's history section.

>>2332637
Both the protagonists I have in mind are girls, but one of them is far older than the other. I just don't know if I want to make the Ethiopian or the Italian the older one.

Hi Nicola, I know you're in this thread. Stop roleplaying as Requiem devs, you retarded sperg.

>>2332521
>that pic
Christ in heaven it's beautiful. Yours, I presume?

>>2333070
It's probably not Nicola but one of the former devs that left in the split. I think he's more of a Discord seether. Besides he seems to be far more angry at TFR by a mile.

>>2333073
He credited it over Mango's grave.

>>2333074
why are people angry with TFR? it's a mod that actually releases content, I'd think everyone would be sucking their dick. Compared to this dead mod, their updates are inspiring.

>>2333080
envy

>>2333080
They started working on TFR about the same time as realism clique took over TNO. They did the "TNO style and feel" better than the nuTNO itself and made vastly more contetent and all TNO has to show is Fiji skeleton, Mexico demo, Brazil demo and Ukraine demo.
No wonder TFR poached TNO player base.

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>>2333080
Plenty of reasons but most of the seethers are mad about it being politically incorrect and "not serious". "It's a chud mod". You get the idea. Meanwhile most of us just want to have fun so they can just sit there and be miserable if they want.

This joke of you namefagging as devs of mods you don't like got old when you started to do it a full year ago.

>>2333245
Dont respond to him.

This time its extra ironic anyway because it insinuates that listening to your players is le bad

Did 4chan add namefag protection by adding identifiers?

Seems they didnt and that guy just has a random string of shit in his name now, wouldve been too great to be true

>>2333284
It's a trip code. It's an old way of identifying yourself since the original 2chan days. Anyone can just use them so they're about as insecure and explorable as they get and only morons think they mean anything.

>>2333286
Fair enough, I didnt use 2chan and only really know them from basedjack anyway.
And yeah they are insecure as sin, I mean you can just use two different devices and get around any IP and MAC restriction anywhere too.

Wouldve been somewhat cool regardless to atleast make the spam slightly less constant

Trying to make the old TNO music mod (Last Waltz of Europe) work with Requiem and it's a fucking pain.
At first TLWOE simply doesn't show up and is replaced with the default TNO soundtrack. I change a line of code it appears but it's without any songs. I change another line of code it breaks both TLWOE and the TNO Sountrack.
I fucking hate coding.

>>2333305
Surely if you ask the Requiem devs for help you'll get some?

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>>2333311
It's alright. I just remade the music mod from scratch and it works fine. I believe it was because both mods had the designation "tno_music" so I just changed that to "tno_tlwoe"

Time for some Rodzaevsky Gaming.

very trustworthy sources tell me that some content is coming out soon and it's not actually the africa update. well... "soon", it depends, you know how TNO works. But i am certain Africa rework isnt coming as the next update.

>>2333397
we know about spain

>>2333398
they also doing shit for america it seems

>>2333397
is there any chance at all they rollback the africa changes, or do they at least understand, after their nonsense britain demo rework, that they need to release the same if not more content than they are removing?

>>2333402
no

>>2333397
>Very trustworthy sources
>He's basically quoting from the Iberia toozer from last month

>>2333406
suck a fat one

>>2332642
>former Kalter Krieg developer
That's unsurprising.

>>2333397
youre a retarded autist

>>2333399
From what i know its in fine tuning now, which means mango for all his flaws is still better than Lamfag and his eternal rework reich

Any news on what Requiem is doing?

Is Tsars and Soviets being tested yet?
What will the update be after that
What are they working for Quality of Life and bugfixes?

Are there any lolcows like Mango at Requiem? I'm new to the mod and want to know as much as possible.

>>2332521
Why my nigga Crow is doing here? Blud died 3 times already

>>2333411
Iberia has been in fine tuning since last September or something so you might not want to celebrate just yet. Although yes, it's probably doing better than the German rework.

>>2333425
Their next release is supposed to be be Berezniki a new Russian unifier. After that I think they're doing fixes across Russia but I'm not sure. Most QoL and fixes they've done has been fixing the combat and economy is a bunch. They don't really have any big lolcows though. Five was a bit of one early on with his many announcements before the others reined him in but that's pretty tame. They also had a lead named Jeff that ragequit one day, leaked mostly TNO documents to "own" them and did all of this under his real account. But that was over as soon as it started. Surprisingly, orienting your mod around gameplay instead of politics seems to help here.

Hope that helps.

>>2333489
Pretty sure the impersonator faggot showed up malding at Requiem leads in these threads for the first time after Jeff embarrassed himself. How coincidental...

>>2333513
Nah it happened before that too

Especially right before Requiem announced the name change there was alot of namefagging going on.

>>2333079
Counterpoint there's actual content for the other mods to put in an OP for the general so you don't need anyone to make joke images for it.

>>2333513
Jeff had nothing to do with that. Like the other anon said it predates him having anything to do with the team and when he did attack them he used his real Google Drive and Discord accounts to do so. After that fiasco he promptly vanished from the HOI4 community.

>>2333517
>>2333515
Fair enough.

>>2333425
If you want the scoop on Requiem look at the questions they ask in their poll channel. Such as questions about raiding, air force balance, 2wrw balance, their new Infantry Fighting Vehicle unit class, armoured cars, which US presidents should be replaced, takeout trees yes or no, polls about multiplayer stability, and regional difficulty balance.

Oh and an example of a modernized Petlin portrait and asking if it's better than the old one.

Seems to me like they are working on all of that behind the scenes and polling the community for feedback

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>>2333560
>Giving the plebs a say

>>2333560
*Fakeout trees tho if there is a hoi4 tree that will give deliver Chinese to my house I'd call that a worthwhile innovation to modding

When will they fibally give France content in this piece of shit mod fucking hell

>>2333655
Never. It was reworked again because of DV. Enjoy your shrunken skeleton.

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>>2332521

No, but seriously, what the fuck were you thinking when they decided to integrate DV? It ruins the South African War, Germany's lore, France's lore, the UK's lore all to add content to some random shitholes no one cares about.

Is there at least still a shot of Manchukuo coming out?

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>>2334227
In the latest thread some anon (take that with a grain of salt, of course) said that the Manchuria dev is stalled

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>>2334235
TNO has manged to make me lose the ability to be disappointed.

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>>2334227
>DV
Literally just nepotism. The person making it is friends with Mango & Co so therefore it gets included and now a huge chunk of the mod is destroyed and has to be reworked. Many such cases.

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>>2334227
>>2334249 (me)
Reminder that they knew that DV integration would completely fuck over all existing content but ultimately didn't let that get in the way of OTL slop.

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Threadly reminder that we're losing the WAW for this.

>Replacing WAC and SAW with that nothingburger
I fucking hate nudevs so much it's unreal.

>>2334416
>maybe 2 regions moving to one side or the other
Holy shit you can't be serious

>>2334416
This is satire. I refuse to believe this is sincere, but that's a really well done parody of the nuTNO team

>>2334475
It's a real toozer for DV.

>>2334250
>>2334416
being serious, whats their plan here? all the toozers look like garbage compared to stuff being put out 5 years ago, let alone the mods people keep churning out now. is it even worth developing the mod if its just a parody of updating irrelevant parts of the map while they keep removing content? what the fuck is going on

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>>2334537
They do it because they hate the mod they hijacked and the userbase they inherited. Once you understand this and the fact that they just want to retell historical events it all makes sense.
>"Why not make their own mod from scratch then?"
Because then they'd be a worse and more irrelevant Kalterkrieg.
>"But it's worse."
If you care about TNO and HOI4 gameplay. If all you want to do is to write about historical socialist politics and anti-colonial struggles in Africa in the 60s, then it makes sense, doesn't it?

is there any news on the uk? is that team even alive anymore? I know all of italy dev is dead and gone, but they released the britain demo so you'd hope something would be happening

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>>2334559
It's presumed dead.
Most of the people that actually got the demo made are gone and only Frost remains. Considering his track record, there's a pretty good reason to assume that it's just completely dead.
>Mango made him co-lead on day one of his ascension
>Never made anything ever
Shocker.

So I played the requiem south africa and I gotta say I wasn't impressed. The ANC and Boers have no content and the game ends after the war. There were like 5 focuses for each outcome of the war which was nice but not enough. I didn't really care for 70% of the events which the game bombarded me with.

It suffers from the same design flaws as the base TNO. It spends too much time polishing a tiny time period and blueballs you at the end. If the writing was spread out between different paths and longer scale it would've been good but I don't want to read 100th event about people I don't know doing stuff I don't care about. Even in visual novells you get to make choice and different routes have different content so this is not a critique of VN in HOI4 but of how this VN is implemented

>>2335163
Makes sense sense the mod tries to be a compromise between 2024 TNO and old TNO. Doesn't mean it always hits the mark. Play Rises Again instead, it's probably more up your alley. Hopefully with time Requiem sees the writing on the wall and moves further away from TNO's design philosophy instead of just putting the brakes on their bad reworks.

>>2335208
RA suffers from another problem which is lack of effort and very low production quality. I think there's something both sides need to learn from eachother. Requiem needs to spread it's wings and move on instead of polishing old piece of demo content from 2020 and RA needs to concentrate on a single country instead of making 400 sloppy paths scrapped together from unfinished code.

>>2335306
Don't you mean the other way around? But yes if so I agree that both mods can get better. I hope they will eventually. At least RA has the excuse of being a solo project and honestly even if they don't always deliver at least they aren't aggressively self destructing like TNO is.

>>2333397
actually soon? or Soon™

Morocco toozer dropped, Iberia soon?

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>>2332606

>>2336086
They dropped an Iberia toozer last month too, it doesnt mean shit

>>2336086
That's nice, but can we have a toozer for the compatibility patch next?

>>2336152
It was supposed to release in late December. It's Brazil all over again.

>>2336086
If the toozers keep dropping than maybe.

Any news on the IJA, IJN and Japanese Airforce?

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>>2336187
>He believes in toozers by these people

>>2336199
All the latest leaks are in the OP but it's pretty much assumed that Sphere development is practically dead.

>>2336206
you unlocked a memory in me lmao, when i still was waiting for Moskowien, what a time!

>>2336199
the manchuria team is the same as Guandong, so they'll take a long time but the content is garanteed to be good

>>2336230
What a time, when there was still hope for this piece of shit. But hey at least Micronesia will be historically accurate soon.

>>2336233
This is just factually wrong. Several key people from the Guangdong team are gone and the head of the Manchuria team is Yugo. He's OK according to thread consensus but it's a completely different crew and years after people were optimistic.

>>2336241
really? didnt know, i guess we're not getting Manchuria either

>>2336143
This is Muti's dark vision for Italy.

>>2336206
We need a Redux that has all the pre-release kino that never happened.
Indiana Josias, Farouk's Wild Ride, Iraqi Murder Mystery, COOL, Meinhof...

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>>2336605
>Indiana Josias
Kino. Insane how we went from that to a generic Muslim collaborator regime led by apolitical opportunistic strongmen or whatever generica Lamounier wanted to turn it into. If you can find their design docs I'm sure the Rises Again dev wouldn't mind implementing them. That seems to be his mission in life, picking up the gold nuggets that the devfags throw into the garbage bin and winning big.

>>2336086
Notice how they’re using the old Algeria borders? Looks like dv is going to be a standalone update rather than a bundle which is gay

>>2336709
Nothing special about it, tho. Last summer's Iberia teaser mentioned Burgundy in like half of its events, even though we know it's on the chopping block.

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>>2336522
Honestly, of all the things that TNO toozed over the years the Italy stuff still pisses me off the most.
Scorza was one of the first playthroughs I did when the mod first released and I really enjoyed it, and when they announced 4 successor Duces I was incredibly hyped.
>Imperialist Balbo
>Securocrat Pavolini
>Futurist Muti
>Mystic Giani
We got none of that. Nada. Nil. Italy had content removed from it and I can guarantee that if anything was coded for Fascist Italy in the first place they scrapped it all by now.

>>2336792
We actually know for a fact that it was started and scrapped several times. Yes, several. It's even more reworked than you think.

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>>2336794
It looked so interesting...

>>2336811
From my knowledge The duces are basically unchanged policy wise, They just needlessly expanded their trees and added minigames

>>2336835
We got leaks last year proving otherwise. Germany and Italy weren't enemies any more but more skin to competitors that respected each other's boundaries. This makes the choice of Duce matter less and locks in their forpol when the original plans were more dynamic. Another victim of Germany's plot armor really.

>>2332606
*Correntia

When’s yippie supposed to come out?

>>2336904
In their Twitter announcement of the US rework last summer, they stated 'next year'.
Highly unlikely, given how notorious this joke of a mod is at releasing updates (and especially those with full content, the last one we saw almost three years ago with Silicon Dreams)

Somebody drop the full Hubert Humphrey tree already.

>>2336904
November this year, possibly coinciding with the midterms for maximum cringe.
If you actually believe this I have a bridge to sell you.

>>2336976
A fag in the last thread had It and reagan but only posted the intro for reasons. Ill never understand these fucking people

>>2336844
speaking of foreign policy in the region, The geo politics of italy’s sphere is actually pretty interesting. They have a monopoly on middle eastern oil along with control of global trade via the Suez. The italians would be making so much money from their oil revenues alone that massive infrastructure investments and social safety nets are not a financial burden. Their only real competitors in terms of oil production are the americans since the Germans don’t export their oil considering they only have baku and iran and the japanese have so little they just prefer to buy italian.

>>2337029
I think it's to insult the devs. There was one that had the Schorner doc, said it was just a gutter Goring, and posted tidbits proving it while saying it was shit and that Lamounier was a fag. "It's not even worth leaking" seems to be a new thing for team members.

>>2337037
The only things the italians really worry about is the turks taking a bit of that oil revenue, The germans can’t really get a piece of the oil other than backing iran and its interests. If anything the germans probably don’t compete with italy in the middle east but in africa over algeria and french africa’s abundant uranium reserves

>>2337043
>The germans can’t really get a piece of the oil other than backing iran and its interests
This is what the Oil Crisis and backing the Ba'athists is for.
Shame the devniggers want to de facto remove it.

>>2337058
Hans! Why the fuck would we support arab socialists?
>They hate kikes and want to give us some of the oil.
5 billion reichsmarks to egypt!

>>2337355
Ba'athists used to be NatSoc in game until some retarded communists on the team whined about blackwashing minorities.

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Is literally no minor country capable of earning any amount of profit except via decisions and the only way to stave off debt is to conquer new lands? The fuck were they thinking with this economy system?

>>2337394
Former dev here. There were people on the team that wanted you to be able to be able to construct buildings that'd contribute to your growth. All of these ideas were shot down by Lam (the code lead) with only the infrastructure contribution to growth sneaking its way into the mod. If the gameplay gang had it their way you'd have equivalents to the office buildings in TFR except they'd also contribute to your development growth too depending on what you built. This refusal to let you (or the AI) directly impact the economy is why almost all countries without focus trees constantly get into debt crises and it's also why they have to bolt on a new economic mini game in every update.

tldr one man's bad decision ruined the economy system and made every update take 10x longer to make.

>>2336844
>>2337037
Removing the rivalry between Germany and Italy would be such a braindead decision. It would be such an interesting setup to have Italy become the fourth superpower and leverage its oil wealth to finance proxy wars. The oil crisis would even work perfectly as an existential threat to them in the late game.
Removing the rivalry also makes Germany's geopolitical situation less interesting as Italy aligning against them would be the most immediate threat against them that doesn't come from inside the Reich.

>>2337403
I normally do not post here, however just to give some insight into what affects atleast the initial gdp generation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BuZjdllxc5mWEgeGicrledfjI0-NSGMGtrzE3BOVsdI/edit?usp=sharing

This was made by a Requiem Dev btw

>>2337404
I think italy and the reich are still rivals, At least by current lore it’s just that the italians still begrudgingly trade oil and industrial goods with the germans. also I think italians encourage jewish settlement in palestine which I definitely don’t think the germans like. By my reckoning they seem to be rivals who begrudgingly tolerate one another and try to keep out of each others hair until the oil crisis

>>2337432
>Keep out of each others way until the end of the planned reworked content that's been in dev hell for half a decade
Might as well be neutrals that pretend the other doesn't exist with how much impact it'll have. It's also completely retarded of them not to allow them to even try to improve their odds when the crisis hits.

Total TNO L.

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>Remove Atlantropa
>Be forced to rework all of Italy and all of the Triumvirate because its entire reason for existing is gone
>Be forced to re-rework Germany's forpol because you no longer have a reason to be enemies with Italy
>Re-rework both Italy and Germany to have them fully align with this new timeline you created
>Gain nothing lose the unique map and several conflict opportunities
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

>>2337505
Regular Triumvirate would already have a struggle competing with Germany, and then if you add Atlantropa their major ports become worthless and in exchange they gain barren salt plains and slow desertification of all lands around the Mediterranean.
Also Atlantropa'd Mediterranean looks like shit.

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>>2337511
Also, I don't think Atlantropa dam would survive long enough to be anywhere near completion. Even with direct German intervention to guard it if they wanted to, it would be a matter of national survival for every country in the Med to the point Italy would drop a nuke on it with Spanish consent because a total war with Germany would cause a lot less long term damage.

>>2337511
>They wouldn't be competitive as a reason
>Now they no longer compete
God forbid that we'd have an interesting underdog story about the 4th aspiring world power beating the odds. That might actually have been interesting. At every step of the road they made the stupidest, most boring decision imaginable.

I miss my fourth superpower Commie Italy anon, I miss her a lot.

Does anyone still have the Red Italy leader flowchart?

>>2337524
Just have Hitler publically call all mediterraneans subhuman and you get a split.

>>2337637
He already did that in Mein Kampf. Not saying I disagree with you but the German racial politics alone could justify a split.

Instead, we get nothing ever happening.

>>2337731
wasn’t it a gradual process starting with italys non enforcement of the final solution which dampened relations and then the alpine crisis which officially soured relations between the two? They may be rivals but italy is probably smart enough that they can only push germanys buttons so much before the teutons repeat the sack of rome

what about this mod makes the community so rabbidly retarded?
Tried was playing iberia because I hear allegidly that there was an hidden event where the US returned the portuguese african colonies if Iberia helps in the african war. That would make sense, from a real life prespective, the US did this for portugal in East timor after ww2, and they very swayed fascist spain to NATO during the cold war. Iberia being not alinge
After not being able to do it, I make the grand error of asking their cesspit of a discord if I missed anything. Just to get dogpiled by several agressive discord retards shooting out meaningless slurs while suck so much cock for the writers that even mia kalifa would be envious.
Its a hoi4 mod with mediocre writting and the most nonsensical power dynamics, I really dont get how niggas take this so seriously

>>2337978
It's because most remaining fans of TNO as well as devs on the team don't play HOI4. Never have, never will, nor do they care about it. They saw a super event compilation on youtube or read about the politics on Discord and jumped on. They're there for vibes, politics and nothing more.

Compare and contrast with any other Paradox community without any e-cloud and there's nothing of this. Nada. It's all fake, gay and propped up by niggers that never played the game nor will they ever.

>>2338035
>TNO as well as devs on the team don't play HOI4
that is clear, I get the whole story driven mods but you could atleast try to make it fit with HOI4, in a strategy game centered on war there is little of it in TNO

>>2337978
Unironically if Iberia managed its economy well and didn't go too harsh then the natives might actually support a return to iberia rather than independence as their infrastructure is either just for air bases (angola) or has been razed (mozambique).

>>2337978
>discord
i remember one of the members on the cord saying that TNO was better than TFR because
>in TFR you just wait for the next war, in TNO it simulates an actual government!!!!!!
Crayon eaters.

Oldfag here, i followed TNO since release and stopped caring shortly after release of guangdong. Somebody qrd me on state of this.

>>2338731
They integrated a submod to rework Britain, they released the first few years of collab content. It was good, so of course the rest is never coming.
Penelope's Web withered on the vine, no Italy rework in sight.
Manchukuo is stalled.
There's a Germany rework in the works, which removes the civil war and so will require a rework of most of Europe. Burgundy is smaller and is getting removed entirely soon +two weeks.
There's an Amur rework that's stalled forever.
Various Latin American countries and Iberia are the only things that actually have a chance of appearing.
America is getting reworked entirely, might come out in late 2026 or 27.
Africa is getting entirely reworked, no more South African War and Britain is getting its colonies back (which ruines the Britain rework.
Oh, and Antarctica got content, for some godforsaken reason.
Maybe France will get content? Eventually?

There are two major forks, Requiem and Rises Again, but both haven't put out too much.

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>>2338740
>QRD
It's dead.
About a year after you left the realism clique did a full takeover of the mod, purged everyone they didn't like and abolished leadership elections. They have since mostly just cut tags and made pointless reworks no one wants, like a map rework that makes everything look like this and allowed you to play as Antarctican tags where you just read events and play a minigame.

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>>2338731
>>2338760 (me)
Also proof that the Africa rework is real: >>2334544
They're deleting all of the current content just to add in OTL Africa. All skeletons, no gameplay. The all European reworks were completely fucked to accommodate this and set the mod back by years.

For your convenience, here's also a summary of all promises that were broken by the realism clique with their endless reworks.

Also didn't mean to tag the post above mine.

>>2338760
The antartic tags are not even their work, it is a submod team that works independently of the rest of the mod team, that is why it is the only one making content.

>>2338740
what teams are even active at all in TNO. Is there even a singular developer working on Britain at this point or is it truly, completely dead after releasing a demo

>>2338875
See: >>2334572
Most devs that made the demo left, dunno if there was drama involved. Only guy left is Frost, a Mango shill. Tag entered rework hell after that. It's completely dead.

i remember seeing a leaked docs of the team talking about the status of the future updates in the last threads, including about Spain and Germany. Do anyone have it?

Guys, check this out.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WhatCouldHaveBeen/TheNewOrderLastDaysOfEurope
Apparently, this Tv Tropes page acts like the rewoorks have already been released, mentioning what is currently still in the mod as long-scrapped content. Check out the folders for America and Africa, It pretends if VP and DV are already out, this shit is surreal.

>>2339484
Are you talking about the round tables? If so they're in the op.
>>2332521
https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December 24 roundtable notes.
https://files.catbox.moe/zo5zhk.pdf - Post-Antarctica 25 roundtable notes.

They're interesting time capsules that help track the failures, decline and internal damage control of nuTNO.

>>2339560
That's absolutely insane. You're right, it's all past tense and reads like a dev pretending we dodged a bullet by removing all this problematic content. I did learn one thing though.
>When the Lobster War was first introduced in Cold Southern Springs, the main opponent to Brazil was Zentralafrika. Zentralafrika's role was replaced with French West Africa in Débrouillez-Vous. These early versions of the Lobster War were also unable to escalate into a Third World War.
I always thought it'd just be cut since the concept of having a piece of otl France be a 1:1 stand in for Kongo Muller's illegitimate mercenary state is so stupid that it never even entered my mind as a conceivable concept.

>>2338875
Iberia team will release an update sometime before summer.
USA devs will prob release their rework Q4 2026-Q1 2027
Germany is moving slowly, last time i checked borman was practically done and Speer was in dev hell.
Latam team is prob active.
Antarctica team is working on content for jap Antarctica.
Africa team is working on their rework.
Manchuria and Russia are moving at a snails pace (Amur and Tyumen reworks are closest warlords to being finished).
Turkey has also seen some work according to a bilibili leak.
Every other team is practically dead

>>2339664
>REALITY CHECKER
>Iberia team will release an update sometime before summer.
By the way used to be last autumn, then December or January.
>USA devs will prob release their rework Q4 2026-Q1 2027
Source: Mango, literally. Take with all the salt in Kazakhstan.
>Germany is moving slowly, last time i checked borman was practically done and Speer was in dev hell.
True. Added context is that they've been on a four year rework plan so far. It was also "practically done" before they lost their early game war (SAW) and presumably have to replace it with new GUI minigames.
>Latam team is prob active.
True, they're the only people on the team that actually get playable tags out any more. In any other team they'd be considered a B or C team side show but they've unironically become the stars of TNO just by showing up to work.
>Africa team is working on their rework.
They said earlier that the summer was a good ballpark for a skeleton only release. Time will tell. I can actually believe it if it's just skeletons.
>Manchuria and Russia are moving at a snails pace (Amur and Tyumen reworks are closest warlords to being finished).
Neither has had documented progress in several years and all they've managed to do that we know of in the meantime has been to plan more sweeping reworks like the one for Komi.
>Turkey has also seen some work according to a bilibili leak.
They recently collapsed but got resurrected, actual status of their rework is unknown though since we don't know how much of the BiliBili leak is pre-team collapse/post-resurrection.
>Every other team is practically dead
True, other than that we just get plans for irrelevant island skeletons or a talentless idea guy/artist from the Lamounier or Mango cliques putting out some grandiose plans that they'll never even be able to make content for.

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>>2339755
Grimmer than the reaper

>>2339755
Okay, and what about Requiem?

>>2339647
Anon, the war happened in OTL... Between France and Brazil. If anything Zentralafrika was the stand-in for France.

>>2339835
Requiem is bumpy but the thread consensus is cautiously optimistic. They released a SAW update, actually got the mod working with the latest DLC unlike the main mod and plan to add a new Russian unifier next in the form of Berezniki in the near future. They recently canceled their planned America rework, but that seems to be over the dev being a realismfag and in the light of irreconcilable differences they're instead fixing up Nixon's content in the short term.

More of a Rises Again stan myself but at least Requiem seems to be moving along. Both forks have big issues though as you'd expect since TNO proper is practically dead and has completely killed all its hype at this point. Bear in mind, a lot of positivity both for R and RA come from the fact that TNO is practically dead and people are just happy that there's a chance for something better in the future.

>>2339845
>A complete fucking northingburger happened IRL between the victorious France and Brazil
>This has the same impact as Brazil fighting their old wartime enemy Nazi Germany
Soon you'll be telling me that the border skirmish between Ngubustan and Mbutungu has the same impact as the SAW between America and the SS because it happened IRL.

>>2339647
>These early versions of the Lobster War were also unable to escalate into a Third World War.
so the lobster war is a viable way to start ww3? holy kekarino nutno is a joke

>>2339874
I mean it pretty much falls in line with memes such as America nuking Haiti just to be evil/racist.

>>2339875
ok but that's justified because its based af and the negros deserve it. the germans dindu nothin

>>2339877
Fair enough, can't argue against straight facts spat from the honest mouth of a certified truth teller. Haiti nuke makes perfect sense and isn't just Mango shitting on his homeland/seething over Requiem.

>>2339880
you don't have to worry about bad content being released because you know mango is going to rewoooork it until there's only one gameplay path (wholesome progressive demsocs), because why would you want to play as evil people?

>>2339755
> Source: Mango, literally. Take with all the salt in Kazakhstan
I think an early 2027 release is plausible. As the 64 presidents are in fine tuning. You prob right though and we’ll get summer of 27 release.

>Neither has had documented progress in several years and all they've managed to do that we know of in the meantime has been to plan more sweeping reworks like the one for Komi.
I was just basing this assumption on the recent round table leak

>>2339933
Iberia's been in fine tuning since last year and they missed several of their leaked internal deadlines. I'm not calling you dumb or anything but I think you're taking their claims more seriously than they deserve given their proven track record of constant failures. Nudevs just can't dev. Simple as.

>>2339851
>the border skirmish between Ngubustan and Mbutungu has the same impact as the SAW between America and the SS because it happened IRL
Considering the dev team is full of the types of people who jerk off over third world socialist guerilla groups, yeah probably.

>>2340050
I remember well Tno niggers on discord telling me without a once of irony panama would be more relevant for content than France. They really have this kind of fetish for the third world.
You can also read the dev diaries on debrouillez vous to see where the narrative is going.

>>2340067
I mean, TNO was always very obviously and thoroughly left-wing. I don't think there is anyone that will ever dispute this. However if you pay attention to any of the events about LATAM or the Trujillo stuff it's really on another level how much they love to suck off irrelevant third world communists, and just how fucking preachily it is written.

Sablin's commiewank fantasy was transparent, but at least it was implicit. Some tags try to play the "from the perspective of the nation" position at least somewhat. The most egregious thing about old TNO was the fact that every path which wasn't a liberal democracy or libertarian socialism was le doomed to fail.

The New TNO writing feels like every world event is published by Pravda or some college campus anarchist society's news rag. Usually the latter.

>>2340067
>>2340121
Even if TNO was always a largely left-wing thing (especially after Panzer got troll's remorse) old TNO always had a fun factor that let you override that bullshit. Don't like Sablin shit? There were other routes with content for a general audience. Don't like fully political, zero gameplay content? You could always enjoy Russia and parts of Germany to name the standouts.

These types of content used to be able to coexist in harmony. TNO would never have reached as wide of an audience as it once did if they hadn't catered to both conventional HOI4 players and the dregs that we now recognize as the rapidly diminishing nuTNO audience. TNO could still be a relevant albeit polarizing mod if they'd simply kept this arrangement but instead they decided to delete every war from a wargame and then pretend to be surprised when they lost their entire audience to TFR, RA and R.

tfw tno is so dead the thread is getting near to the archive 160 replies in.

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The German rework would have revolutionized hoi4.
Which is why it's in endless dev hell.

>>2343711
wtf is this gibberish? how tf do you win the minigame? By having the freest market? Idk I saw the mechanic in a bormann leak so I’m assuming interactions are rather broad

>>2343625
I've never seen it hit page 8 before. Grim. Four whole days, and it's so dead that anons don't even care to make fun of it.

>>2343711
>Spend decades trying to turn HOI4 into a different game for a different audience
Fucking WHY?

>>2343711
WHO NEEDS ALL THE GUI. WHO EVEN USES IT, WHAT DOES IT ADD TO THE GAME?? IT'S LIKE THEY LEARNED ALL THE WRONG LESSONS FROM GUANDONG.

Its been a slow few days so I have arrived to save the situation. I am the one who has told you about the yippie mechanics and i promised to share the git.

I was unsuccessful in getting the Git, however, i have something you will love. Heres a message from our golden boy Mango, to a great year of leaks and making fun of devniggers may we go anons. Enjoy the message!

Yippie! will be the beginning of the TNO 2.X.X update cycle as we work up to the conclusion of the Cold War.

The patch will include, among other things:
> Refurnished America content up to 1977
> The full scope of the Débrouillez-vous patch
> New German starting content (1962-1964) from Victor and the Judge, with all Fuhrer (Existing Speer, Bormann, Heydrich) content afterwards preserved

We've had a great first 2 weeks with Yippie! in fine tuning, and I hope as development continues we'll have your help in making the largest, and most pivotal, TNO patch yet.

Quick addendum on a couple things:
> France & Sweden skeletons are moving from V&J to here;
> Burgundy is also being removed here;
> First-year Himmler content maybe included but no promises yet;
> This will keep the current release goal of 2026, development wont be slowed down due to it;
> Yippie will include Space content!;
> Gorky will be nuked early game.

Its a lot to take in, isnt it?

>>2343823
Feel like I'm misunderstanding something here, are you telling me that all of their chirping over a germany rework that's been years in the making only covers 2 years...we're getting britain all over again.

>>2343832
From what i have been told, early game germany is just being dropped early to properly interact with DV.

>>2343838
Otherwise their planned rework is still on, just dropping later than yippie

>>2343823
Seems like Requiem and TFR lit a fire under TNOs asses.

>>2343823
>They`re removing Burgundy, the GCW, the african RKs and the npp in one update
Powerful move from mango, this almost makes me respect him for having the guts to do that.

>>2343823
>V&J is just going to be a demo
>Two skeletons repeatedly fucked over by endless reworks and purges dropping, 0 playable content or interactions with playable tags (outside of the German demo maybe)
>A Russian tag being deleted is all progress they made in several years
>All African content deleted, nothing playable, just some skeletons
>Burgundy being deleted, replaced with nothing, not even pretending that the Himmler path is dropping any more
>Also 20 years of US content for the mod that infamously never releases anything playable for anyone anywhere
This mod is so fucking dead and I hope all remaining devs kill themselves.

>>2343838
Yeah no you're probably not even getting the fucking demo lmao.

>>2343844
Yeah, they're pledging to remove beloved content faster than ever. That'll save the mod. Sure.

>>2343845
Knowing how Mango was in TCT "misdirections", I suppose ripping off the bandaid in one stroke of the so-called realism complaints is in character.
I wonder if they will advertise the changes, or keep the nixing of everything at once as a 'nasty surprise' to keeps things contained until the last second.

>>2343873
They said in their original document that the plan was to slow boil the frog and earn goodwill by dropping some positive content as a buffer against the hate. They knew they'd eat shit over this. Guess they're just going to accept the hate and offer absolutely nothing in return except for a German demo and the US content... That they themselves admitted would get them in trouble with their fans.

An alternate explanation: They know that everyone that cared about the original content already left so it doesn't matter if literally no one outside of the TCT clique likes any of this.

>no git
>not even v&j git
its over

Serious question for any TNO dev that isn't invested in Mango's clique: what do you even get out of working on the mod? All you do is erase content that was more popular than anything you'll do and most of your fanbase have moved on to different mods and either hate or forgot about you. Is it just a social obligation at this point?

>>2343823
Seems like they’re trying to just bite the bullet now. Kinda smart move ngl.

>>2343823
Is there any proof of this?

>>2343978
Frankly, I dont want to say you just have to believe me but you do have to believe me here, the guy who told me this also gave me never leaked before stuff about yippie so i trust him as a source. I would try to get the discord message but i fear that would reveal their identity so the answer is no, there is no proof of this i can give you but my word, and i hope thats enough

>>2343984
Can u elaborate on a couple things than?
> Gorky will be nuked early game.
Like the Germans actually dropped the bomb? Is there a lore reason for this, how would that look in game?
> Yippie will include Space content!
Can u leak anything about this? What powers will have a playable space program in 1962.
> never leaked before stuff about yippie
Can u share some of this?
> work up to the conclusion of the Cold War
Maybe I’m looking to deeply into this but what exactly does that mean? Are they gonna start working on tno2 now

>>2344014
>Like the Germans actually dropped the bomb? Is there a lore reason for this, how would that look in game?
Gorky tries to raid germany after Hitler gets a heart attack early game, they get nuked and turned into an anarchy tag in response
> Can u leak anything about this? What powers will have a playable space program in 1962
America and Germany, dont know anything about it however
>Can u share some of this?
Already did, the mechanics for goldwater, and other such were leaked by them
>Maybe I’m looking to deeply into this but what exactly does that mean? Are they gonna start working on tno2 now
Whatever that means, i dont know

>>2344019
The Goldwater mechanic doesn’t seem to be in thread can u leak it again?

>>2344061
I for the life of me cant find i right now, someone check the 4chan archive just in case but i could only find the wallace one, couldve confused them but i distinctly remember seeing the Goldwater one so thats weird.
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>>2344019
Doesn't Germany recreationally nuking random cities in Russia over pissant border raids into Moskowien fuck over a lot of the planned impact of America nuking Haiti? I guess 1WRW might as well end up being retconned out of existence at this rate if this is going to be Germany's nuclear doctrine. Even if it isn't the case NOW it wouldn't surprise me if that ended up happening down the line as Germany's plot armor intensifies.

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>>2344019
Wait a minute...

>>2344101
I haven't bothered booting up the mod in ages so I sometimes forget that Moskowien's rework turned the country into a relatively stable spot because the dev believed that you couldn't do guerrilla warfare in Russia which is why they removed the MCW. Guess they can't get raided either. Heaven forbid that we'd have some tension in the world.

>>2344097
>anyone besides collaborator samara and maybe aryan brotherhood unify russia
>germany launches 400 nuclear warheads to prevent russia being a threat
>no 2wrw ever

>>2344019
I thought nuking countries was supposed to make you lose the cold War??

>>2344261
Only if you nuke the heckin Haitian Blackerinos.

>>2344261
Yes and no. If you take one step into the sacred soil of a country with nukes everyone just fires their entire arsenals at everyone but they recently undid that to allow for nuking harmless nations for no reason, like obliterating Haiti if your side in a proxy war loses or - apparently - if a few Russian bandits enter Germany's colony to steal stuff.

>>2344263
False. Nuking them is very much a lose button but only because it makes the whole world hate America for being evil and racist and seeing nukes used is really shocking to the world. Despite Germany using them against random Russians, I guess.

>>2343823
>as we work up to the conclusion of the Cold War
>america is the only country with content for that period
LMAOOOOOO THIS WAS A FUCKING JOKE AMONG /tno/ ANONS
SATIRE ALWAYS BECOMES REALITY

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today i shall remind them

>>2344288
In retrospect vst's cruelest jokes were often more optimistic than the reality we got.

>>2344296
Was this from 2023 or 4 or something? Africa dev was only "paused" because they were doing DV behind everyone's backs until they had the majority to just ram it through. What a lying piece of shit.

>>2344296
The screenshot looks like it was taken from tnocord (based on the role color and icon), not devcord, but I couldn't find this message.
Was it on some of the locked channels (like dead and buried mod-feedback), or was it deleted?
Looks hilarious tho, given the integration of this abomination of a submod.

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>>2344303
>>2344308

>>2344308
No I recognize that channel. It's a channel on the dev server where management can read letters sent to them anonymously by other team members. We've had leaks from it before.

>>2344317
LMAO it's from that TNO janny that used to do damage control over here

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>Mango is focusing on TNO2
>Meanwhile Italy is still suck with it's release content
>Red Italy never ever
I'm sorry Bordiga...we all failed you...

did the holocaust happen in mango lore?
also TNO Requiem submod released

>>2344338
>also TNO Requiem submod released
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3662738292
meant to link before posting

>>2344338
>Holocaust
Yep, job's done. They're all dead. They upped it a ton from Panzer more where it didn't work out and then heaps were enslaved or sent to Madagascar. The Nazis just have to be perfect and all their plans have to work for the story to work. But also, Germany is a normal country that rationally abolished slavery.
>Submod
Is it good?

>>2343823

Could you at least share any new Yippie! Focus trees?

>>2344339
>moskowien warlord content
Fucking finally. I only had to wait how much? A decade?

>>2344339
Lame how you need to have Speer win otherwise you're locked out from all other content. Have Bormann work like Speer too, no?

>>2343823
Proof or you're a fag.

>>2344069
these links don't work, can you post them again?

>>2343823
So if i’m getting this right, Iberia and revamped latam skeletons are coming sometime around q1 of this year, Then this update around q3-4 and if we’re lucky we get Vnj in full around q1-2 of 2027. It’s a good start but this sorta content should have been coming out at least 2 years ago, Moreover Content for italy, france, Britain, japan, china, Manchuria, and russia all need to be complete. Best case scenario, They release 1/2 of the above content by 2030 at minimum

>>2344571
>This sorta content should have come out at least 2 years ago
They're removing all content from four tags in this update so unless you're really into American politics and that alone you're getting a net negative with this plan. The only thing you mentioned that has any hope is Iberia.

>>2344575
I never really liked the african content so it’s not a real loss for me. If you liked the Gcw I guess you have a reason to dislike this update But I was personally never a fan of the sci fi aspects of tno

>>2344605
Well even if you dislike it you're replacing something playable parts of the community liked with something unplayable that got such awful feedback that the devs went full bunker mode and bitched about low morale in their internal notes. It's just a straight up downgrade and if you want otl Africa just play CWIC. At least otl Africa makes sense there.

>>2344324
Invarientoids… we lost

>>2344324
>2026
>Fascist Italy still has barely any content, only a single doomed to fail path
>Fascist Italy
>In an Axis Victory cold war mod

>>2344649
Could be worse. At least they keep their victories while Japan's win is being slowly erased and the rework will be mostly otl PMs doing normal right wing politics.

>>2344650
>At least they keep their victories
I mean kinda? The ending for Scorza's path is basically the same as Bormann's where everything looks like it's going well but then ACKTUALLY IT ISN'T and you get huge debuffs and economic malices.

>>2344671
I get that comparing who got shafted harder by the US-German plot armor is like a bum fight but at least Italy gets to keep theirs for a bit.

Why does Germany stop at Gorky? Why not nuke all major west Russian city’s
Gorky,Samara,Arkhangelsk,Kazan,Orenburg and vyatka would cripple any wannabe unifier of the region. America can use 6 nukes on a irrelevant country but Germany won’t use it on a threat to their eastern colonies.

>>2344677
I'm waiting for the incoming "Italy is actually just a bitch of Germany now" leak
Looking at how other countries went, I'd be impressed if lam stops plotarmor fagging all over the place just for Italy.

>>2345283
He already has to be honest. Removed their ability to go red, can't go to war with Germany and downgraded their hostility into a friendly rivalry. Removing Atlantropa might as well have been his long con to make sure that Italy never impeded Germany's intended story progression.

Do we know what the general contours of the Spain update are? Like what are the paths, and what are they each going for?

>>2345345
I think it's just a facelift (admittedly much needed) and some initial DV integration.

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>>2344069
Those archives are a gem. Didn't find the Goldwater full gui, but got HHH's focus tree.

>>2346616
Humphrey? Mister liberal turncoat himself?

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>>2346616
Very boring.

>>2344605
I’m just glad that someone else is willing to acknowledge that old tno used to have sci-fi elements. Nu-devs deny it religiously

>>2346708
>Mars landings to own Germany
>Mega landship tanks
>Russian laser cannon vehicles
TNO used to have so much style man. Now it's all fucking gone.

>>2332521
>https://files.catbox.moe/9320n5.pdf - Japan rework proposal.
Link is down. Did the pdf go into Matsumae's path at all? I was interested in reading what they had planned for him. The technocratic paths are cool.

>>2346930
wouldn't worry too much, it'll never be released anyways. I don't think Japan even has an active dev team unless they're the same as Manchuria (which will also never release).

>>2347176
They're different teams. I don't know much about the Japan one but Manchuria has seen better days. Yugo's been buckbroken after being pushed around by Mango and has lost his old spark. It really is bleak.

Made the Humphrey tree into a catbox link. include in next bake!
https://files.catbox.moe/ttlota.png

>>2346930
Just stacking every post in the japanese bureaucracy/government with technocratic picks. A government of experts

Someone update Japan rework proposal and France flowchart
Links are dead

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I love this nigga like you wouldn't beleive

New Japan rework proposal link
https://files.catbox.moe/3bwv2e.pdf

>>2348634
>80 pages on something that'll never release

>>2348651
it's actually more, but thats a shit rip of the google doc

>>2348655
Can you copy other tabs or is it more complicated than that?

btw the "VP Hawaii crisis" and "VP 2025 events leak" both show the same thing witht the same link

haiti civil war is probably the best example of nu-tno content being rancid shit
obnoxious minigame requiring undue amount of time and attention from the us player all because devs wanted to make a statement
and of course it's broken in gorillion different ways

>>2348657
It's feasible to get the actual doc if you have the bare minimum html and editing skills but nobody gives a fuck enough to do that

>>2348779
What statement?

>>2348992
That America... Is le bad. Racism... Is le bad. Deep. Profound.

I hate catbox...

>>2346698
>use "realism" as an excuse to copy and paste OTL shit into the Axis victory mod
>also use "realism" to exclude Pol Pot even though he's OTL shit too
At this point, I'd settle for a few events where the guy is off-handedly mentioned as a joke.

>>2349300
Well, the selectiveness is just part of wanting your mod to be seen as a serious, big boy mod. Nuking Haiti? Perfectly serious. Putting in a historical figure that gets joked about a lot because of his sheer over-the-top brutality? That will cost you aura.

>>2348993
You forgot the most profound, spine-tingling, genre-defining statement that of Haiti being just a piece of shit """""country""""" to live in

>>2346698
>>2349305
Do the devs really hate Pol Pot solely because of his status as a meme character?

>>2349484
Yes.
They've inherited the hatred of overused funni characters from Panzer.

>>2349489
Panzer was nowhere near as bad. Under his reign you had TNO instead create its own iconic characters like Tabby, Serov, Yockey and others that would go on to become well-known favorites in the modding scene. NuTNO takes away all the fun and gives you nothing in return with a few promised exceptions in America. Even if it's all rooted in Mango's BDS/TDS, things like emperor Nixon, Dr. Strangegoldwater and Schlafly going Nazi over abortions is at least humorous and will likely end up being unintentionally kino (if it actually releases in my lifetime).

>>2349517
Yeah, but it's still the same base thing. Yockey only existed because Panzer didn't like Rockwell and thought he was overused (probably because he was THE American Nazi).

>>2339664
Made an updated Version.

USA- Full rework, npp cut and replaced with otl Reps V. Dems, 40 candidates are being added. Release date said to be Q4 2026. (take with grain of salt tnos devs are notorious for breaking their promises.)

Africa- Submod Débrouillez-Vous is being integrated, replaces actual playable content with skeletons.

Germany- Bormann is near completion, Speer is in dev hell. GCW is also getting cut in favor of a power struggle called the Kampfeitz.

Allegedly the USA rework, the africa rework, and the kampfeitz are all coming out together.

China/Japan- TSS development has seemingly stopped. Idrk much about it

Manchuria- The Creaking wheels progress has creaked to a halt.

Russia- Most of Russia is getting reworked, Amur and Tyumen are the closest to being done. The main dev left the team so development is probably either dead or slow.

Latam- Brazil team is finishing the rest of the democratic leaders. The Chilean team is dead. The Argentina team seems to be alive, they plan on releasing the democratic leaders first. Mexico is getting full content.

RKs- Moscow and Ostlands collapse have been cut and are in rework hell. Rk Ukraine is getting 10? Years of content (and a single democratic ukraine leader is getting content)

Canada- Canadian dev is dead

Antarctica- Antarctica team is working on skeleton content. When they're done with that they are working on Jap Antarctica.

Iberia- The next update, probably will come out before/during summer.

Greece- Teams dead

Italy- Practically dead. Last I heard they were close to finishing all fascist leaders' content. (they also might have cut a couple red italy paths?). Italy rework never

France- France content got ruined by DV so a large part of it has to be scrapped.

UK- Has to rework their rework in order to fit with new DV lore (even though devs have said their incompatible)

Turkey- Turkey has seen some work according to billi billi leak (still will never come out)

>>2349971
>Last I heard they were close to finishing all fascist leaders' content.
it's been like that since the last leak in 2023

>>2349971
>Allegedly the USA rework, the africa rework, and the kampfeitz are all coming out together.
Indirectly confirmed by Mango in a discord Q&A because he said Sweden skeleton is coming in the US update confirming the previous leak about the update.
Swedish skeleton is closely tied to the GCW rework because of the Nuclear bomb event chain

>>2349971
>Allegedly the USA rework, the africa rework, and the kampfeitz are all coming out together.
Yeah, sure, definitely.

>>2350395
The Congo crisis is closely tied to Yippie considering that it's a kind of Vietnam parallel (in the sense that it's the decade defining US foreign venture)
They are definitely coming out together, whether that delays development is up in the air

>>2349971
>All reworks coming out together
That actually makes sense since the entire game universe collapses otherwise due to all the changes they made. But when you realize that it takes them years to make contentless skeletons and now they have to shit out several superpowers all together at once with a completely reworked Africa that also removes half their existing conflicts it's just bleak.
>Germany
Do we even know what the minigame replacing the GCW will look like? The last info we got on it was in 2024 when they said it still hadn't been designed yet.
>Iberia in the summer
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AROUND NEW YEARS
>Manchuria dead
YUGO NO

>>2350390
>Germany's reworked rework is closely tied to a reworked skeleton of a tag that does nothing except serve as fodder for what's likely to be a terrible minigame
Shit like this is why the Germany rework has stalled for longer than TFR has even existed.

>>2350402
Oh my God Mango wanted to replace one Vietnam parallel with one even more close to OTL so fucking bad that he's delaying the update by another fucking year
DV is an even bigger disaster than I could've imagined

>>2350402
Let me guess, you can't win the Congo Crisis because muh "AmeriKKKa could never win in Vietnam"

>>2350494
The RethugliKKKan KKKraKKKas in AmeriKKKa can win it by nuking Congo because they're eviler than Huttig.

>TNO Italy old, rework never ever
>KR Italy old as fuck, no reworks in sight
>TFR Italy has no content
Literally why? It's a country with an interesting political environment and a strategic position in the Mediterranean that's just naturally meant to dominate.
Which mods does a nigga have to play to larp as GROSSITALIVM?

>>2350557
red flood italy is fun, being the only sane country
pax brittanica has a chink submod with italy content

>>2350542
Wtf I love Goldwater now?

>>2350557
TFR gave Italy some early skeleton content that let's it do special operations in 1EW. It could be a sign that we'll actually see content whenever they make more European content.

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>>2350405
The Congo Crisis is NOT an allegory for the Vietnam war. I only mentioned it being a parallel in the sense that it's the major US foreign intervention in the 60s, similar to what the SAW represented before.That's where the similarities begin and end.
>>2350494
You can win the Congo Crisis as evidenced by some of the DV leaks including the image. (Top left is most likely USA sphere)

>>2350606
Why does the USA get to control most of Africa in their sphere while Italy get jack shit? Are the devs anti-italian?

>>2350627
The US dev and German devs run the mod and have a history of giving their pet tags total plot armor, so that's why they get to rule all of Africa via apolitical African dictatorships. Italy dev on the other hand is dead so they get nothing... Despite having a stronger historical presence in Africa and the devs dismantling Germany's colonial empire. I don't get these people, man. All this effort to go to a more boring version of square 1.

>>2350635
If Red Italy lived they would technically have the biggest Italian sphere (due to being the leading Socialist Nation in the world and the Internationale being their sphere)

>>2350627
Italy gets the Suez Canal,the Horn of Africa, the levant, and has large access to middle eastern oil. They pretty much got all their war aims+ more.

>>2350606
>whoops, all OTL borders (including katanga lmao)

>>2350635
I wouldn't have minded a full Africa rework, never liked the RK shit.
But denying Italy anything there is criminal.
Not even Free France exists on the map as a minority government Rhodesia stand-in.

>>2350654
Don't worry, Free France will exist... as part of a GUI.

>>2350657
>as part of a GUI
... in 2029 when they make the 2 year demo of French West Africa where at the end it collapses.

>>2350646
The Fascist goverment would want more the moment the other colonial empire collapsed. Italy had a whole inferiority complex with other nations because they were late to the scramble for Africa, so they definetily would try to expand their influence over it. If the USA has to fight Germany in Europe and Japan in Asia, then it must also fight against Italy in Africa (especially since OFN Italy no more)

>>2350750
You know what this post made me realize?
>Germany and Italy are frenemies now and could technically cooperate
>No "getting the gang back together" moment for the Axis to work against the OFN in Africa
At every step of the road, there must be zero kino.

>>2350756
One of the Fascist Leaders for Italy wanted to bring the Axis back together. Unfortunately the rework will never come out so.

i look at this thread every couple months and it's the same sad story every time
glad i got banned off the discord for having a mean profile pic 4 years ago otherwise i might have considered joining this trainwreck

>>2350812
Getting on the team was the worst mistake of my life. Got horsed around for ages and have to redo things over and over because one of the majors kept changing so I had to constantly adapt to the moving goal post. Eventually I just gave up. You really did luck out.

>>2350648
Why would Katanga be out of place?

>>2346616
What's the point of making an Axis Victory video game mod where the main focus isn't the Axis, or their most direct victims?
The US elections COULD have been supremely interesting. It really sucks how much the devs have squandered the opportunity to hyperfocus on the aftermath of a US who lost their first ever war, in favour of letting their gripes about the real world take over.

>>2351064
And they don't even do anything with it either it's just the same old civil rights issues that were all the rage IRL but apparently the normalization of industrialized genocide hasn't changed anything. There isn't even a discussion of the Overton Window on that issue changing. Not saying they have to agree with it and go full TND but come on at least try to make your core issues lazy OTL expys with an extra dose of Republicans are le bad. Because you don't even need America to lose WW2 to do any of that!

>>2351072
>Because you don't even need America to lose WW2 to do any of that
Haven't you noticed that Mango is rolling back every consequence of the US losing WW2, starting with the much maligned and le unrealism treaty ports, then Hawaii (because why wouldn't the Japanese want a strategically located island with a large ethnic Japanese population), then various pacific islands.

>>2351072
Wouldn’t race relations be far worse anyway considering white supremacy would be normalized at least in europe? Moreover If the us went as hard on civil rights as it did otl it would just alienate the european populace that they would be claiming to liberate. Imagine how much of a propoganda goldmine the reich would have when photos of soldiers enforcing desegregation in the south come out. It would literally prove the reichs propoganda right that the “jewish cabal” in control of the us is so buthurt that they couldn’t flood europe with africans that they harm their own host nation purely out of spite for germanic success. Would white americans not gradually begin to at least understand the reich when it proclaims to represent white interests more than its government does? Yippie never answers this because the devs can’t understand the legitimate grievances against multi racialism that the native white population has

>>2351125
also it seems inevitable that the us would be even more left wing in this timeline considering it was a republican who lost the second world war. What seems likley if we’re playing this realistically is that the left goes super hard on civil rights and mass immigration, gets involved in useless proxy conflicts in africa because they stupidly believe that africans are capable of self governance, Then alienate their own populace with their own unpopular policies, then a hard right backlash would occur either to isolationism or open sympathy for the reich

>>2351125
These all sounds like interesting moral conundrums to explore in a timeline where the fucking Nazis won. Anyway, enjoy your creatively bankrupt OTL slop about how RethugliKKKans bad.

I've said it before on these threads, but even with the new dev team being absolutely atrocious, the soundtrack still slaps and continues to add great songs.

>>2351136
guarantee you that by the 21 century the us in tno tl some trumpist figure will attempt to do detente with the european empires simply because it’s what the base wants, The left would go fucking insane, And the Us would gradually spiral down into violence between pro reich nationalists and pro soviet third worldists. The third reich wouldn’t even blame americas citizens for their rivalry but on their “jewish cabal” controlling their politics behind the scenes. From the average americans perspective there is no reason to not talk with the reich because by their own admission, their tables are always open and it’s us intransigence that prevents diplomacy between the two

>>2351125
I feel like if anything it would be the opposite (at least in non southern states). Americans would have a strong hatred the nazis they killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. So if they knew about their white supremacist tendency’s they would adopt the opposite line of thinking. This also brings up the question would Americans even know about the holocaust? It’s not like the German government would go about bragging about it. Americans would still prob hate Asians will a passion though.

>>2351160
Why would they need to hide it? Other murders of millions have happened without anyone caring afterwards. Depending on Germany's policies, it'll either be sugarcoated or hailed as a victory, and down the line it wouldn't harm diplomatic relations too much. People have been more than willing to ignore the murder of millions of innocents if it serves their personal or national interests. It just becomes a new normal at that point like many other evils that people have come to tolerate.

Oh, who am I kidding? Contemporary moral high ground forever, people always do what's right (unless they voted against Mango's preferred party) and the good guys always prevail via railroading.

>>2351175
I’m not saying they’re hiding it. I’m saying Americans wouldn’t have much knowledge about what goes on inside the pakt.

>>2351160
Liberals would have already adopted their anti white supremacy stance pre war. But back on topic, The american public would probably be anti nazi at first but as forced integration begins, as liberal policies start to negatively effect the general public in the name of a post racial society, I’m certain americans would voice objections and when those objections are thrown out because you need to accept the new normal chud, I’m sure that plenty of disgruntled white americans who feel alienated by an establishment who doesn’t represent them may begin to sympathize with the germans since they were ringing the bell on these issues first

>>2351175
The germans would probably use the excuse that the jews were deported into siberia and the casualties would be pinned on the siberian russians by saying “hey it’s not in our hands anymore, not my fault jews starved because russians don’t know how to farm”

>>2351160
Also americans adopting an explicitly anti nazi stance on every issue just makes them weaker considering nazism taking out the genocide has a lot of pro social behaviors baked in. Family creation and fertility, ethnic homogenity, high in group loyalty and high social trust, Disipline, religiosity etc etc. Leftism otl rejected anything that could be even vaguely connected to fascism and they turned themselves into troons and cucks. The us going down this path is just a recipe guaranteed to loose the cold war

>>2351299
esl

>>2351367
im not actually esl thank god I just don’t have a lot of time to proof read my grammar at work

What's the new lore reason for Iberia existing?

>>2351798
Some asspull to justify everything being the same. Funny, the ONE time that it'd make sense to have the historical Franco and Salazar regimes they go with an alt hist angle because they don't want to rework yet ANOTHER tag from scratch due to Germany's complete rewrite. No Atlantropa or colonial land grab by Germany? Yeah sure buddy I bet the states would fuse over some comparatively minor issues over Germany's treatment of the jews or whatever the fuck they end up going with.

i was really fed up with mexico when it first released and i didnt play it, so i decided to try it out again today. why is the UI so ASSS, it has generally interesting mechanics but the part about economic development is all crammed into a small space in decisions and the map is almost entirely brow-ish so it's difficult to tell the information. what's worse some decisions affect things you can only see in different tabs of the UI so you gotta tab out and tab in constantly to see what province needs what Jesus Christ what a mess. the Leviathan part which is much bigger is also.. entirely informative? why not put decisions there where? now it's all wasted space.

>>2351064
>What's the point of making an Axis Victory video game mod where the main focus isn't the Axis
They didn't make it, they just stole it and are trying to fit it into their framework of political idpol brainrot.
>or their most direct victims
Because we need them to succumb to German plot armor in order for The Goodies™ to achieve their total victory at a later date. Except for the Russians of course who are gonna be a hivemind of Putinism allegories.