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>>6077760
>If we had never done anything violent and had submitted the present writings to a publisher, they probably would not have been accepted. If they had been been accepted and published, they probably would not have attracted many readers, because it’s more fun to watch the entertainment put out by the media than to read a sober essay. Even if these writings had had many readers, most of these readers would soon have forgotten what they had read as their minds were flooded by the mass of material to which the media expose them. In order to get our message before the public with some chance of making a lasting impression, we’ve had to kill people.
You're right though, he could've killed plenty of people who actually deserved it. He ended up killing random civilians who had nothing to do with his ideals, which is something i dont respect. I do respect the absolute balls he had to go trough with the things he did. And how everything he wrote was right. To this extent he is a hero, even though the mp4 you replied to is ironic in nature.
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>>6077760
firstly i won't condone what he did
yes he could have been another voice in a chorus of preachers screaming various messages about the dead end humanity is facing to fall on the deaf ears of anyone capable of making any impact whatsoever
and ultimately his method was no more effective that that lip service
but he did what he could to try to make the world better despite the cost. no less.
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>>6077933
Even before the AI craze, there have been cases of crazies attacking critical infrastructure like substations because they are so lightly guarded.
So terrorists do not even need to raid the data center itself but the substations or simply the utility pools that lead to them.
The wires may get fixed promptly but any down time what so ever is still quite a massive loss to the company's bottom line.
This would also affect everyone else and places like hospitals too, but I doubt that would stop some nutter from doing this again anyways.
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>>6077949
all people wish for some attention, we are social beings. whenever somebody sees and likes me for the trad man i am, i tend to feel accepted and happy. i understand the women who want to feel seen for their worldview especially in a world like this. seeing only the cynical side of people makes you ugly, we're all people and its not easy for any of us. lets stand united instead of hating each other.
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>>6077717
You know what's even more terrifying than rainwater not being safe to drink anymore? Europeans going from 25% of the world's population to less than 10%. The IQ of White countries having decreased 1-2 standard deviations below what used to be 100 (100 IQ back then is not 100 IQ now)
The genetic decline, dysgenics, miscegenation of the most advanced race on earth is a thousand times more terrifying than anything that happens to the planet.
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>>6077771
>they probably would not have been accepted
Linkola's were. Did attract many readers. Same could be said for Henry David Thoreau (Walden). Both were controversial pro-nature anti-consumer pieces of literature for their time.
A man with the intelligence of Ted could have done a lot. Particularly because he was blunt and direct in the way Linkola was.
Even inspiring one person goes a long way, many of natures great recovery/protection stories rely on sole individuals. The protection of the Kea comes to mind firstly.
>>6077941
>Massive loss to the company's bottom line
I don't know if you noticed, but most AI companies are losing money. Although it doesn't inspire romantic notions in many people the most effective thing you can do as an individual is lobby and behave in life according to your ideals.
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>>6078348
Who? Oh, those people known solely because they are mentioned after the name Kaczynski? Yeah. Linkola would call Kaczynski based since he advocated green terrorism wholeheartedly. He thought those people to be heroes. Pretty clear you haven't read none of those who you're referring to right now.
>Even inspiring one person goes a long way
Lol. Lmao. Nobody who you mentioned would agree with you due to the sheer scope of the problem. Its the whole MODERN CIVILIZATION. Such a problem cannot and wont be solved by individual hippies.
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>>6078353
I think you are embarassing yourself by asserting that Linkolas writing doesn't stand on its own without Kaczynski. Even wikipedia could tell you this
>In 1995, Linkola founded the Finnish Natural Heritage Foundation (Luonnonperintösäätiö),[18] which concentrates on preserving the few ancient forests still left in southern Finland and other nature conservation. The foundation receives donations from private individuals and companies, then purchases forest areas deemed unique enough to deserve protection.[13] By 2017, the foundation had purchased 62 protected areas, spanning 145 hectares (360 acres) in total
>Nobody who you mentioned
Well, I don't think you read Thoreau because one of the big themes is about the ability of the individual to act. I've got Walden open next to me though womp womp.
>Such a problem cannot and wont be solved by individual hippies.
And yet Ted achieved nothing directly whilst both Thoreau and Linkola did. What have you done btw? I mean actually actioned in your daily life to benefit nature? or are you another "I really really love telling others to commit attacks but would never ever do anything myself"?
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>>6078353
Whilst we are at it lets mention Ansel Adams as well. Since you are so insistent on the inability of the individual to achieve anything.
>Adams was a life-long advocate for environmental conservation, and his photographic practice was deeply entwined with this advocacy. At age 14, he was given his first camera during his first visit to Yosemite National Park. He developed his early photographic work as a member of the Sierra Club. He was later contracted with the United States Department of the Interior to make photographs of national parks. For his work and his persistent advocacy, which helped expand the National Park system, he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1980.
But "waaahhh i can't do annytthingggg unless it's terrorism which i will never ever ever do, i'm totally not a doomer retard holding others up to standards that i will never ever ever hold myself to"
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>>6078362
I never asserted such. I asserted that people such as Linkola are known on the scale they currently are only due to people like Kaczynski.
Dont you worry, i know the history of Linkola and how critical he was for the birth of many organizations. I also know how he publicly left said organizations due to them not doing anything meaningful.
Funny how you didn't respond to my point of Linkola advocating for green terrorism, huh? Its kinda like you know you're being a retard but wont admit it to yourself. Your arguments walk in empty circles.
>one of the big themes is about the ability of the individual to act
True enough, one individual can make more progress in a year trough vandalism than a hundred can make trough activism. Kinda like Kaczynski did. Then again, a collective is made out of individuals, and a collective is needed to stop the suicide of the human race. But lone hippies wont stop shit. You need millions of people, anything else is just a bandage on top of the rotting wound of corporatism.
>What have you done btw?
Nothing, i would never do anything whatsoever, fed. Lmfao.
>>6078375
>"waaahhh i can't do annytthingggg unless it's terrorism which i will never ever ever do, i'm totally not a doomer retard holding others up to standards that i will never ever ever hold myself to
Things nobody said, shill. Please dont project the voices that you hear in your head, its embarrassing.
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>>6078382
>Due to people like Kaczynski
Proofs. Just nonsense assertion and completely wrong as demonstrated by Ansel Adams and Thoreau, who you conveniently ignored. Probably because you're not as well read as you think, which is why you keep banging on exclusively about Linkola.
>didn't respond to my point of Linkola advocating for green terrorism
Because it's irrelevant, he did sure, but he never did it himself and yet still had a measurable impact. Which was my entire point. The whole point is you don't HAVE to do these things to achieve some form of success. For some reason this made you sperg.
You insist that violence is required but never do it yourself, then when I point out that you can achieve results without you sperg out because that's not edgy enough for you. Non-participation in Environmentalism is caused by people who insist the *only* way forward is through violent action which is not tenable for the vast majority of people with families, lives, hopes and dreams.
>Nothing, i would never do anything whatsoever, fed
Exactly, because the only things you can imagine doing would be things that a Fed cares about. You refuse to implement any other actions because they don't play up to your own view of yourself. I said " I mean actually actioned in your daily life to benefit nature?" and all you can think about is acts that feds would care about rather than simple daily changes or actions. Your entire attitude towards environmentalism is half blinded by your obsession with wanting to be seen as a violent anti-hero.
This conveniently also demonstrates that I was correct when I said
>i can't do annytthingggg unless it's terrorism which i will never ever ever do
because clearly you haven't done anything, unless it's terrorism (which i doubt you have done but even pretending that you have, you're still in the blindspot I mentioned)
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>>6078382
Just so you don't say I ignored anything (although I feel what I said already addressed most of this by proxy)
>one individual can make more progress in a year trough vandalism than a hundred can make trough activism
I think it's entirely circumstantial to the individual. Cutting down one power line or burning one construction vehicle has far less impact than 100 people collectively purchasing a parcel of wetland or lobbying their local government (provided said Government listens, but that's another topic). One wealthy individual may even do that entirely on their own.
>Then again, a collective is made out of individuals, and a collective is needed to stop the suicide of the human race.
Which is why the best place to start is in your own home and life. If everyone took this approach (a bit utopian sure) there would be no issue. Of course a single lone person does little, but collectively, just look at European environmental regulation (for all its faults) it's some of the best in the world. That's a real example of tangible collective action achieving results without violence.
My argument is that the obsession with violence here pushes away normal people and denies the good work which can be done non-violently.
I've never denied that Kaczynski had an impact (although ironically not directly by his own violent attacks but rather by the fame brought to his writing by them), I am simply pointing out that his way is not the only way. It's also the least realistically feasible way for the collective who, as you say, are needed.
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There is a balance in this world , and we hacked this balance for fuck sake
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>>6078728
>roofs.
Our discussion here. Keep seething.
>yet still had a measurable impact.
Putting a bandage on the rotting wound, which he himself admitted to being a stupid notion.
>Exactly because i cant understand sarcasm
Fucking kek you just are this stupid.
>because clearly you haven't done anything
A lot of assumptions of an anonymous imageboard user. You being stupid explains that one though.
>Which is why the best place to start is in your own home and life
Exactly, just like Kaczynski did. And here we are discussing him.
>Cutting down one power line or burning one construction vehicle has far less impact
Actually no, thats a shortcut to the plan you had in mind. The problem comes down to money Make it too costly to cut down that wetland and you didn't need 100 people and a ton of money for the purchase.
>My argument is that the obsession with violence here pushes away normal people
True, you can just attack inanimate objects and it will be more effective than anything you have babbled on about. Since you dont have anything but empty arguments walking in circles, like i mentioned before, i'll leave you to your own sad little devices.
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>>6078947
>Our discussion here. Keep seething.
Nope.
>Putting a bandage on the rotting wound, which he himself admitted to being a stupid notion.
No refutation of what I said, intellectually lazy.
>Exactly, just like Kaczynski did. And here we are discussing him.
So why are you here? "follow your leader" so to speak. If his approach was so effective why have you not done it. You say I can't understand sarcasm but your sarcastic quip was a dodge of what I actually asked, I never asked you to admit to felonies I asked you what you had actioned in your daily life. Even Ted could have listed a multitude of things, yet here you sit unable to think of one. But apparently I'm the stupid one? your insecurity exudes from your writing.
>Walking in circles
Nah, you're just saying this because you are unable to refute the concrete achievements of the individuals I mentioned. You keep asserting the same thing ad nauseum and want to call my arguments circular,
How does it feel knowing the guy you idolise would have fucking hated you?
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>>6078947
oh and of course
>cut down wetland
lmao, lol, lel, kek even. Perhaps even lmfao.
Please stop using environmental causes as a conduit to let out your mental illness on the world when you don't know the first thing about them. Like I said, you aren't as well read as you think.
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>>6077933
Don't have to. They're hemorrhaging money, with Microsoft being one example projected to lose $14b. Klarna also begged their staff to come back after replacing them with AI, only for customers to quit using them because they'd rather talk to a human cs employee.The fad will die off soon.
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>>6077760
How many of those go-greeners you listen to, how many environmentalist people give two shits too.
He made himself known, exposed the system to willing and unwilling alike.
Killing is bad or whatever but if all you saw was murder, you are part of the problem.
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for a clean world
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>>6077717
nice thread
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>>6079432
its obvious when it comes to the actual arguments yeah
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>>6081223
I am so sad that I never got to write to him asking him so much stuff and telling him what I thought of his writings. I was thinking about doing so for a long time and even got to write a few parts of what that letter was going to be composed of. I never did, I am such a pussy faggot.
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>>6082732
Retards who can't read but somehow think they are right about the entire world. Fascinating stuff >>6080328 could literally be answered even just by saying "yeah I recycle and go litter picking" or "I volunteer at my local wildlife rehab center" but of course because you are illiterate terrorist wannabes the only thing you can think of is "Fed!!1!"
Which is why I called you posers in the first place, you don't even know what the fuck you are talking about "cut down wetland" Jesus fuck. You DRAIN wetland, typically for agriculture or property development that or it gets destroyed by run off pollution.
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>>6077729
This is 200% true, just look at the internet or smartphones. Sure you technically can refuse to use them but it'll make your life even more complicated, not less, since they're basically prerequisites for participating in society. I expect similar to happen whenever proper brain implants/links happen. Sure you can refuse the body mods, but you won't be able to keep up professionally or physically with the people who use it, making it hard to find work or provide for yourself in any way, let alone a family.
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>>6085059
>assumes things about users on anonymous imageboard
>implies everyone but him is retarded
Recycling and litter picking along volunteering are stuff normal people normally do, i have no idea why'd you mention it.
It doesn't stop the causes, it just mitigates the effects. You need direct action to stop the causes, not bandages over rotting wounds.
Nobody has not once in this thread said anyone should be a terrorist, you're literally a schizo talking to voices in your own head. One anon mentioned vandalism, which is not terrorism. It is more effective than anything you have proposed even ONCE.
I also laughed since you dont know what happens to wetlands after they've been drained. They're CUT DOWN. Another example of how you dont know what youre talking about.
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>>6085550
>Recycling and litter picking along volunteering are stuff normal people normally do
They really aren't. You vastly underestimate how little the average person cares about the environment, but again not the point.
>You need direct action to stop the causes, not bandages over rotting wounds.
I tend to find that a hybrid approach to anything is best
>Nobody has not once in this thread said anyone should be a terrorist
>direct action
>whining about "yer trying to make me admit to felonies!1 fed!1"
Yah totally brah, it's only a thread about a notorious terrorist where suggesting that you can achieve results without being a terrorist ends with huge amounts of autistic screeching about how terrorism is the only way to do anything (despite numerous examples to the contrary provided). What's interesting is how you never noticed that my argument wasn't "you have to be le wholesome stickler for the law" but rather that reducing action to only illegal activities prevents half of you "environmentalists" from doing anything at all.
>I also laughed since you dont know what happens to wetlands after they've been drained
What is this cope? draining the wetland is what destroys it, then digging for peat or filling for development among other activities. Cutting down of any plant life is very much secondary since you already destroyed the habitat by draining it, which is why it's fucking stupid to say "cut down". Especially because a lot of wetlands don't even have much in the way of trees to cut down.