>>41872217
>>>/his/

>>41872219
This is speaking strictly in the spiritual sense not really historical

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>>41872217
Both are. Christ never promised the visible Church would remain spotless and even the Levitical priesthood was only a pale imitation of the invisible Order of Melchizedek.
They got both some stuff wrong but the most important bits right (nicene creed). Does that mean you should leave your Church? No, not at all. Anastasius stuck around despite most bishops being Arian heretics and even managed to fix the Church.

>>41872217
If you have to ask this question in the first place about anything the answer is neither.

>>41872217
Neither. The spiritualy true version of Christianity has been dead since the 3rd century. There's still remnants of it it the modern faith and canoized texts, but ultimately it was wiped out. Well they say that the Templar Knights kept the true tradition alive with a direct like back to Chirst, you can still see remnants of it in the cathedrals they built, so this is likely true.

>>41872301
See>>41872275
Just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean it is not legitimate (not even Aaron's priesthood was). The Church serves its purpose.

>>41872319
It's not that it's not perfect, it's a completely different religion.

>>41872345
Not true at all. You fell for restorationist heresies. Why do you feel like it's a completely different religion?

>>41872217
The true faith are those who have the Holy Spirit and adherence to the Almighty Father's will.

>>41872217
No. The Christian cult was well on it's way to become a very pagan like mystery faith (gnosticism is what they call it now).
Eastern Orthodox took on nice eastern traits, having to leave control in the seat of the emperor, while the Roman side went mad with power and extremely corrupt. Both statist drivel. Some truths to be found in either, but don't go full retard and become one of them.

(Attend church. Peel off a nice convertible woman if you like)

>>41872521
>it's
*its
How embarrassing

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>>41872319
>The Church serves its purpose.
www.bishop-accountability.org

>>41872217
>>41872232
You're dumb, for five reasons
>asking 4chan what the "true faith" is
>thinking there's a "true faith"
>thinking that true faith has to be either catholic or orthodox
>failing to understand history's relevance to religion
>failing to realize that both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are nonsense

>>41872217
Catholic Church is the OG. Fuck those perpetrating Orthodox faggots. If I see one of those Greek bitches I will pop a cap in their ass. You feel me mutha fucka?

>>41872702
I know. But historically it has been proven it's better to stick around and try to change the Church from within rather than split off and let the main Church be completely taken over by these freaks.
I can think of a bunch of different Protestant and former Puritan Churches where shit like this happened.
The Churches where the actual Christians stuck around always ended up far better as when the actual Christians split off to form their own Church and became irrelevant while the mainline one got completely hijacked.

>>41872217
Catholic = Jesus had one nature of God and Human
Orthodoxy = Jesus had 2 nature's, one God one human
I find the catholic position to be more compelling, it reveals a special capability God can have.
Orthodoxy is jurisdiction by bishop and if you ask me thats the true original protestant larp. Catholics have the Pope and Cardinals, a true pyramid structure of power.

Why are you asking this on a paranormal message board? Are you planning to make serious life decisions and be baptised based on what anonymous strangers tell you? Are you retarded?

As a Catholic, I believe they are both the true faith with orthodox people being christians with valid sacraments and rites who happen to be out of communion with the church proper which leads them into problems by lacking a clear teaching authority and that this manifests in easily noticeable problems regarding the moral guidance the church offers the laity on issues like contraception and divorce and that I hope this situation is rectified in the next few centuries. Eastern Orthodox say that we arent the same church at all and we are heretics and the papacy is an innovation and we have heretical theology and will say some uncharitable things about the filioque and in other cases will make big deals out of minor theological differences.

Take your pick. Read some books and talk to some priests

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>>41872217
First seven ecumenical councils taught the papacy, however the Catholic vs Eastern vs Oriental is a pointless brother war. Christ has performed miracles in all three. If you live in a western country besides Germany going Catholic is what I would recommend, simply because they have the most knowledge, literature, you get a great diversity of rites (Augustinian, Byzantine) and again the papacy is put there by God however there's no shame in being Orthodox especially if you live in eastern Europe or the middle East.

>>41872702
Nice AI picture anon. How is the retirement home treating you? Do you have to share the computer with the other elderly?

>>41873181
That is not the catholic position. The catholic position is that Christ was one person with two natures, one divine and one human. I think you are accidentally endorsing the position of the Oriental Orthodox Church and thinking that it is the Catholic position. There is no real difference between the Catholic and Orthodox view of this

>>41873181
What is the answer for when Jesus Christ prayed to God the Father who has also sent the Holy Spirit to Christ?

>>41873370
It is fictional.

>>41872217
dat nigga drip in da thread of christ on foe

>>41873346
Well fk me then. I got nestorism mixed up with orthodoxy and I thought they were essentially the same. Thanks for the correction

>>41872217
The true faith is Christianity, and those are two Christian churches.

The Catholic position is "two lungs, one church," afaik.
The Orthodox position is "they drifted apart from us and the papacy as it is right now is kind of a sticking point."

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>>41872217
cathlick for sun ortodogs for moon/void

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>>41872217
Whichever one outperforms the other is the "true" faith.

>>41872217
Neither. Nicene Christianity is a false religion.
True Christianity is the Christianity of the Desert Fathers and the Manichean "Heretics". It is patently gnostic and universal. Both the Catholic & Orthodox churches condemn the manichean church and claim lineage to the desert fathers.
But the Desert Fathers *condemned* the Nicene institution, which they saw as the state taking control of the religion and perverting it.

Precisely this is what made them flee out to the desert. The difference in the "true" christianity can be seen even further in the highest types of good...

False, Nicene Christianity: The highest virtue is Martyrdom for Christ.

True, gnostic-pagan Christianity: the highest virtue is mystic practice.

>>41876371
The gnostic christians are thoroughly "pagan" compared to the official church. Their religion, unlike the religion of the church, is truly universal. It turns the Bible into a parable that illuminates the mystical path. Good and evil become not just outward realities, but models which to judge our moral actions and our mental states that arise. What serves us? What does not?

The church MURDERED all of the manicheans. Accused them of crimes they did not commit (cathars) and invented reasons to slaughter and condemn them. Because the manicheans were an actual community of practitioners. They DID things. Unlike the nicene church, which substitutes orthopraxy for orthodoxy.

One way we can judge how blatantly false the Orthodox/Catholic/Protestant are from the fact that many of their religious leaders will *constantly* make predictions about the end of the world. They are constantly wrong.

Orthodox pretend to be more guarded against "prelest" than the other two, but I know of them and their ways. Many of their religious leaders will constantly make predictions about oncoming future events. 99% of the time, they are either lying or deluded about them.

>>41876393
Let us look for yet more ways then, that the nicene church is false. Let us talk about the Mystic/Meditative experience.

If one were to actually READ their god-damned Bible, one thing becomes patently clear, Christ's religion was a VISIONARY ONE.

But what does that mean? It means that the religion Christ taught, was a meditative/mystic one. It taught a practice similar to the hesychasm.

This practice causes the occurrence of Mystical Visions. And other, generally spooky, phenomenon. This was of extreme importance to the early followers of christ (as, indeed, it was to all religious communities.) how the religious communities differed was in terms of correct practice. They had slightly different interpretations on the mystic states, what it truly means, how to engage with it. Most of them said the same thinge though, and this was all prior to the advent of "orthodoxy" and the corruption of the term "religio" by the nicene heretics.....

If one is doubting of the visionary status of Christ's religion, one need only review the ancient texts of the early followers of the Jesus movement. They speak over and over again for the importance of contemplative prayer and the effects it causes. Especially so with the desert fathers.

So. We've established that Christ taught a meditation religion. Where are we going with this? How does this prove the nicene church is false and heretical?
(Cont)

>>41876422
It proves they are heretical and false, because the nicene church is COMPLETELY INCAPABLE OF INTERPRETING OR HANDLING MYSTICAL VISIONS.

The Orthodox speak much of "prelest". But prelest is simply the standard for the entire nicene institution. WHY?

Because the church is an orthodoxy! The mystical state produces "pagan" visions, always, every. Time. The visions will have strange lights, strange feelings, and will embedd in it strange creatures. Some gods, some animate forces. Sometimes angels, sometimes demons. Sometimes, even, ghosts. Some are good, some bad, some neutral.

This is not something the church is capable of handling, because it flies in their condemnation of ALL OTHER RELIGIONS AS FALSE. These visions (when they are true) are not controllable, you can't force them to take a certain shape or say certain things. They also lead away from the deadly sins, and instead, to virtue.

But the church can't handle this precisely for these reasons. Not only is the nicene faith(s) steeped in vice, but their orthodoxy means that accepting the explicitly "pagan" visions that inevitably occur in high level (true) practitioners, is impossible. It would disprove them instantly.

This is why nobody will talk about the fact St. Teresa had a vision of a HINDU HEAVEN! Complete, even, with Vishnu! It's too pagan. It disproves the nicene church. If they do discuss it, they either have to take on a lukewarm perennialism...or they have to deny it. Either deny it's happening, or deny that it is vishnu and his heaven. Even though it clearly did happen and that clearly was vishnu.

So the church can't handle true visions. Which means real prophecies from the laity, even the "lower" clergy members are ignored. It also means the visions, are ignored, and given a constant label of "potential demonic influence/priest/mental illness".
(Cont)

>>41876459
Some nicene churches, again, will try towards lukewarm Perennialism to "solve" this. But this does nothing to assuage the issue. Because orthodoxy is incompatable with orthopraxy.

So either this "melts" the nicene institution, and creates a new, non-nicene church...or it creates strange and unnatural cults, such as scientology or Mormonism. Something which protestantism is already prone to doing.

The church can't handle visions. It has no way of interpreting them, giving proper guidance on true vs false ones. Even supposedly good advice given by the church, is steeped in falseness. The nicene church will never be able to handle true mystical encounters. This inability to handle true visions extends outwards into all spooky phenomenon. Exorcisms are a joke. Blessings are poorly done.

What happens when your church can't handle visions? It creates an upside-down world where your correct "belief" and doing whatever the church decides is good works is the sole thing that matters.

Which creates a prayer that does NOTHING. It creates a church that is DEAD. It breeds people obsessed with superstition. there is no god or Christ in the churches! They're empty rooms filled with demons and delusional people. Many times, a nicene church is one of the most evil places on earth you can step into.

The few times they are not, it is solely due to a select number of charismatic leaders who have some legitimate spiritual power. They get made into faces for the faith, but never are given real institutional power. They are always sidelined. They either submit to the will of the false church, or they get thrown out.

This creates even more problems. It's a fucking mess! The church is a joke. Its incompetent.

The Orthodox/protestant/Catholic are all following false religion. Don't fall for the mind traps they set out. Choose a real religion.

>>41872217
>>>/r/

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>>41872217
I don't know if the Orthodox church is the true faith but Catholicism definitely is not

https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-miracle-of-catholicism

>>41872217
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EkJdDIEU2ks

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EQkdnWYue1g

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EyLiZ-OezbQ

>>41872723
This

"You will find out that every religion has good points as well as bad ones. You will therefore keep the best of it for yourself and ignore the weak points, which does not necessarily mean that he must profess a religion, but he shall express awe to each for of worship, for each religion has its proper principle of God, whether the point in question be Christianity, Buddhism, Islam or any other kind of religion."

Orthodox Church

>>41873846
Yeah its easy to get mixed up, especially with a million heresies of every possible variation. The catechism has a nice rundown of the doctrine regarding this from paragraph 464 to 469 that might be helpful.

>>41876547
What does this have to do with the AI jeffrey epstein pic anon? Did you forget your meds again?

>>41876913
This is an easy position to take and requires no enlightenment whatsoever and misunderstands the phenomena of religious worship entirely and treats them as competing philosophies. The idea that you can take a little of the wisdom of completely contradictory faiths of christianity and mormonism and islam and gnosticism and hinduism and buddhism and blah blah blah while never participating in the rites that form the practice of these religions and instead just read a few books while thinking hard enough and come up with anything other than an expression of your psychological prejudices is insane.

You might as well just read Harry Potter and get your spiritual insights from that for all the depth of understanding this approach will give you and just not bother engaging with these religions at all.

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>>41877032
>Did you forget your meds again?
JIDF you need to use the Sneed Alert and earn some shekels.

>>41876913
dude weed

I wrote in another thread:

>Orthodoxy is not erroneous in the essence of its theology. Their error lay in pride and the belief that they knew Sacred Tradition better than Rome itself. This led to a situation where they diminished the importance of Aristotle, disturbing the balance. Their mysticism is truly holy, but at the cost of a lack of program for lower-class souls. It is no accident that Orthodoxy has always been a pillar of the state, for it is into its forms that it infuses its mysticism.

>>41877451
cont.

Now I'll expand on this.

I see two fundamental problems with Orthodoxy. The first was its historical attachment to the political existence of the Eastern Empire. After its fall, instead of growing as a separate entity, it began to repeat this dependence locally, which inevitably distanced it culturally from its Greek source. The opposite is true in the West, where the fall of Rome strengthened the Church as a separate entity and transformed barbarian states into a cultural formation (unfortunately, due to the influence of Russia, which diminishes the importance of Constantinople and forces local autocephalies). The second problem, in my opinion, is the diminishing importance of Aristotle. He is indispensable. I'm not referring to a lack of rationalism, but rather to the fact that in Orthodoxy, rationalism serves mysticism, and does not constitute a separate spiritual pole, as in Catholicism.

Personally, however, I believe that the separation of Orthodoxy is the finger of God. Because Aristoleanism is dangerous, like alcohol. Abused, it is harmful. That is why Protestantism arose, a deformed Christianity, devoid of transcendence and mysticism, and existentially empty. On the one hand, Protestants are a perversion, on the other, Orthodoxy is both a reminder and a model of true mysticism. One day, Catholicism will reunite with Orthodoxy and some Protestants; the rest of these Baptist and Puritan beliefs will burn in the earthly hell of capitalism and the ideology of sterile liberal democracy.

who cares

>>41877055
So we Catholics are Jews? Fuck, I wish we could just get along and the Jews would include us other Abrahamics in their designs. I mean Europeans are the lost 10 tribes after all, so why can't the talmudic Jews treat us as equals??

The Mennonite church is the closest to Early Christianity. Their sense of localism, community, their stance on the state and the use of violence, discipleship and credobaptism mean it is closest to the spirit of Christ

>>41872217
If either of them were why wouldn't God just tell us? Why make us figure it out ourselves?

>>41877053
>You got to be all or nothing
fuck off
>>41877058
why

>>41878030
>>You got to be all or nothing
>fuck off

Can you say anything that isnt in a slogan? Since you are obviously not able to reply to a single thing I said and just made something up to be mad at instead, can you explain to me exactly which insights you have taken from each religion?

That would sure show me. I'm sure its really riveting stuff by how smug you are about everyone who doesnt do this eclectic pinball machine bullshit

"Orthodox" are the inheritors of constantines state religion. The eastern schismatics having split from the mother church as part of a larger byzantine sperg out over the pope declaring Charlemagne emperor of rome

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Imagine falling for the christcuck meme. You guys literally worship the Demiurge instead of the Pleroma

>>41878453
Lol i am under no obligation to prove to you anything
seethe

>>41877053
Good post, reminds me of that one guy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fby6NgtHxkE

A fractured Church is good for Us.
The Underdogs.
The Rebels.
The Winners.

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>>41878608
Your whore of revelations church doesn't even have same scriptures

>>41878608
Why your mother church doesn't have a proper biblical commandments?
Care to explain wh is that so?

>>41878608
Well he was never the emperor of Rome.
Why do you worship the Pope?

You can't just decide whether a faith is right or wrong from 4chan. you have to make your own research first go read books, listen to opinions of people who actually can be considered as a religious scholar not ask random strangers online.

>>41872217
Catholic, orthodox just think because they wear goofy clothes and being a bit behind the normal date means they're the true ones. But they're not. Goofs.

>>41872217

Catholics are gang-stalking paedophiles. They are the opposite of Jesus. Full of lies, hatred, and judgement.

>>41878673
>Discussion forum
>Doesn't want to discuss after giving initial stupid opinion

I have to assume that its because an ascended genius like you would never waste his time with such trivialities. After all you are busy unlocking the secrets of the universe reading wikipedia articles on Tibetan Buddhism. Sorry for bothering you on you path to enlightenment retard

>>41872217
Option C
>>41872723
Basically this

>>41882838
Thanks for bumping this dead thread <3

>>41877451
>>41877453
Nobody cares because you got handled in the other thread. Your religion is fake and gay and offers no spirtual nourishment.

>>41872217
isnt the pope still the spiritual head of the orthodox church and the main difference in some of the rituals they do and using a different calendar.

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>>41882949
>isnt the pope still the spiritual head of the orthodox church
No! In fact many Orthodox saints have said that the Papacy is of Antichrist!!
Also on a similar note, many Orthodox saints have said that the theory of evolution (which Roman Papists believe) is a lie from the devil and Charles Darwin was a false prophet.

>>41882949
No, pre-schism the pope may have been first among equals but when he introduced the doctrine of papal supremacy the rest of the pentarchy refused to submit and the pope and patriarch of constantinople excommunicated eachother.

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Orthodox.

>jew cult 1 or jew cult 2?

go back golems

>>41872275
So all of the church fathers, apostles, saints, and all their disciples are wrong and you're right you are the one who figured it out. Ok.

>>41872217
The true faith? Faith is stupid. True faith... God doesn't need people to have faith, but Satan does. God has power to do anything He wants, God doesn't need people having faith, God gets the work done by himself for himself through himself. Now, Satan needs you to have faith. Because if you don't have faith you will question and if you question you are not obeying the order. See? Faith is stupid. Stupid people have faith. Superstitious people have faith. But those who know the truth don't need to have faith because they know the truth. The truth is not based on faith. The truth is based on objective reality, it is tangible, it has a real existence. Faith can be based in lies. There are people who have faith in lies. So this is why you ask about true faith. But all faith is fake!! Because if there was a true faith it would not be "faith". It would be the truth, simple the truth. Faith is needed when the truth is not around so people have "faith" that x will truth.

>>41885941
The word faith that you use here has no meaning. Faith is a relationship of trust that the believer has with God and in the christian context God receives nothing by this faith and it is for the benefit of the believer

>"If there was a true faith it would not be "faith". It would be the truth, simple the truth."
>"There is no such thing as a child who loves his parents with good reason and follows their guidance and rules because he trusts that they love him and want what is best for him. If there was a good reason then it wouldnt be a relationship of love and trust but would simply be fact. The existence of the parents would be apparent. Therefore nobody has loving parents"

Pure retardbabble

>>41873064
hey cub

>>41876913
Such a bad take, literally just new age spirituality about finding your own way.
Once you accept the gospel you will be reborn and accept all the things that come with it because you believe, not because you like it.

>>41886041
Its crazy how atheists always try to appear smart but fail to grasp basic principles of religion

>>41882943
No one "owned" me. I simply followed a thought shared in another thread. As for "gay and fake," no, Catholicism remains firmly heterosexual, despite the fact that fags have always flocked here because they can't stand rejection. But that's their perverse nature—degenerates feel deep down in their hearts a deep sense of shame and cling to the sacred.

On the other hand, the truly vapid are the neo-pagan movements. Wiccans are a religion for dumb broad straight from Jubilee, fascism is pure crypto-homosexuality, you'd sooner penetrate another viking anus under Thor's hammer than a woman's vagina, neo-Greek paganism is a cult of faggots to the max. And Gnosticism? Gnosticism is simply lame and cowardly.

Theological justifications for the split were almost entirely created post hoc. One of the supposed errors of the roman church was the use of icons. A position the east has done a full reversal on since.

>>41883309
i hate depicting divine revelation as psychedelic hocus pocus, dumb ass druggie bitch

>>41872217
>the true faith?
You should ask why you put your faith in anything mankind has created, including religion.
Imagine having the audacity to speak for God.
Speak for yourself.
That's all.

>>41886041
Let's go back to the dictionary then. Faith:

1.complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

2.strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof; a system of religious belief; a strongly held belief or theory.

These are the definitions of the word faith. Religious people like to brag that they have faith, but they don't have complete trust or confidence in God because if they did they would not be sinners so this is a sign that faith is an illusion. No one has complete trust in God for example. Everyone has doubted or questioned God at some point in their lives. If someone doubts or question God then this automatically means that the person in question lost the faith otherwise the person would not question our doubt. Most people believe in things which they can't prove. That's why the dogma is there, exactly because thereno proof so you gotta take their word as proof and you don't even question, hence a dogma. I think you are the one who doesn't know the definition of the word faith. Why you faggots act like this? You are the one who dpesn't know the definition of the word and you say that I'm the one who is using the word wrong? Why are you faggots like this? That's why I can't take you faggots serious.

Since this is the closest thing to a christian general thread on the board at the moment, I'm hoping another christian can help me out with something.

Is anyone else uncomfortable with the whole Christ on the cross thing? Yeah, his sacrifice is appreciated and I have nothing against the cross itself, just something about seeing the crucified body is uncomfy, like on necklaces and stuff. Idk how to really describe it well.
Central to the faith and all, I get it, but it was a time of suffering for him, right. He was taken down from the cross to be buried before rising, so why "put him back", if that makes any sense. idk like i said it's just a weird gut feeling.

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don't pretend like you don't know what the real one true church is.

>>41872723
retard

>>41872217
yes

>>41889188
This is to misunderstand the cross from the human perspective as if you were an eye witness with no comprehension of the reality of what was occurring. As is clear in the early church immediately from the letters in Paul on, the crucifixion is Christ's victory over death. The image of Jesus on the cross simultaneously conveys the suffering God underwent for our sake and acts as a solemn reminder of his love for us and a chance to meditate on the incarnation itself but also as a reminder that death has died and a new world is being born. There's no need to be squeamish about it. This attitude suggests that the crucifixion was in some way unfortunate

>>41888092
Nothing you say in anyway deals with what I said in my post and you do not understand what Christians are talking about when they talk about faith just because you cite a dictionary definition and say superficial things. No, the average person does not have complete trust in and obedience to God unless they have attained a level of incredible holiness. This is not an A or B situation. And the idea that a dogma is just something made up with no proof is also just not what Christians are talking about. If you don't want to take the time to understand what is meant by these terms within the Christian context you don't have to but it really makes discussion pointless to just rehash things we all thought word for word when we were 16 and just restating what everyones surface level reaction is when they want to be dismissive and don't know anything. I told you what is meant by the word and what I said is accurate but not comprehensive. Your original post was complete retardbabble that anyone who has any experience in Christianity at all would immediately dismiss as irrelevant to what Christians mean by faith. This post is more of the same

>>41891154
Dude, get off your high horse already. Christians don't know shit. Tell me, what kind of profound truth are the christians able to signal? Zero truth. Take yourself as an example. You believe in dogmas. And now you are going against the dictionary because it exposes what the dogma is. The definition of the word dogma is crystal clear. The christians promotes dogmas because that the base of their power, don't question authority, in this case the church's authority, just trust the story, bro. Dude, nobody cares about what the christians say because we all know how blind the christians are. Blindly following dogmas and corrupt leadership. You were conditioned to belive in the dogma and now you want to deny the definition of said word. Give me a break.

>>41892947
The dogma of the assumption of Mary into heaven for example isnt something asserted with no proof to cement power claims. What power would there be in making this a dogma? There is a continuing tradition of belief in this recorded in written sources dating back to the over 1500 years with the oral belief clearly being older and seeming to come from the area where the virgin mary was believed to live after the crucifixion with the apostle John. The church that the believer considers infallible then infallibly declares it a dogma so you have to believe it if you had any doubt before since you believe in the church's infallibility on matters of faith and morals based on your belief in God and the inspiration of the bible (which you might believe for any number of reasons but isnt really relevant). This is not believing in something without "proof" and just "taking their word for it". I'm not even sure why you brought the dogma issue up other than to make some stupid point about faith.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma

Here's the dictionary definition of "Dogma." You see how the use of the word as something said without basis and the one about a teaching proclaimed by a church are different definitions of the word? Isn't that interesting retard? Your clearly care about what christians say since you are shitting up a thread with braindead posts about christianity, you just dont care enough to read a book about it

>>41872217
None of them, the true one is kabbalah. Christ consiossness is simply same as Shiva, the spiritual energy that is liberate at your death.

>>41872217
>is the large infighting cult or the collection of small cults the true faith?

>>41893479
interesting perspective

>>41872217
Nope. They preach a false Christ whose blood is insufficient for salvation.

>>41897463
It's a jewish perspective.

>>41884946
>appeal to authority
Sorry, but truth is not a democracy, cuck. If you submit to worldly ideology and states you definiatly get tainted.

>christians debating which christians are the actual christians, and which christians will be damned
hilarious

If christianity was true, the one and only true all-powerful all-knowing god would deliberately have created a world, where your birthplace determines your salvation chance. A truly perfect plan. Congrats.

>>41872217
The Catholic Church is the church created by Christ the schism happened a thousand years after it's creation. Don't give up on the Catholic church, she needs leadership and tradition.

>>41898336
That's YOUR view that you attribute to God.

You're wrong.

>>41892947
This reads like a poorly constructed argument.
You're using Dogma like a child that has been raised on western TV would, you don't understand what the church considers Dogmatic or why or what the layperson actually follows. You throw Dogma around, but you don't understand what Dogma is.

>>41899033
Why are you projecting your defects unto me? Fuck off, dude. Stop wasting my time. Every faggot who dwells or lurks in this shit hole of a board has lived what the dogma is. You faggots forgot that a lot of us come from christian backgrounds or christian families and the likes. You faggots forget that a lof of us were once high priests and shit or acolytes or altar boys and the likes. I think you faggots actually believe that people here are just people who live in their rooms all day long? Fuck you, anon. Don't project your defaults unto me. You don't get to tell me what I understand or don't understand. Unlike you I consider all the possible sides that I'm aware of. You are a christ fag, enoug said.

>go to eastern orthodox christian church
>ask/see how to accept Christ and get baptised
>read their page it says something something "To the one holy, catholic and apostolic church."
>something something because the word catholic means something something
>dont accept/dont do it because i rather dislike anything so called catholic
i am here now
the orthodox (=the correct) Christian faith is the correct one

>>41876511
Thanks for your post. Got any books or sources to read more into this?

it is the burning hot uterus and boiling womb where true faith lies.

>>41899907
We are sorry that your stupid parents didn't know anything and gave you a bad education anon. Intelligence is unfortunately hereditary and adopting the opposite beliefs to your dumb parents clearly cant change that. This is a shame for you but you should stop making this other people's problem

>>41901071
???

You know, anon, I enjou comments or replies like this one you gave me because it is a learning experience not only for me, but for anyone who has half a brain working. Like, there's a lot to unpack here even though it is a short reply.

>>We are sorry that your stupid parents didn't know anything and gave you a bad education anon.
First of all, we? How do you mean we? Are you more than one person or are you together with other people while youa re replying me and you are replying to me together or are you demon possessed or something? It is NEVER a good sign when a person starts to speak in third person. You are not a wrstler like The Rock who lieks to talk in the third person, are you? I don't think you are. Weird. This little "we" is very fishy and telling. Second, you talk about my parents? Why? Why would you bring my parents into this discussion? Like, how do we go from discussing what a dogma is and its definition to me having to listen to you talking that my parents gave me bad education? Like, this is a classical example of someone poisoning the well so to speak. Now we are talking aboyt my parents who have nothing to do with this conversation, unreal. This is now low level discussion, we are just name calling each other.

>>Intelligence is unfortunately hereditary and adopting the opposite beliefs to your dumb parents clearly cant change that.
What a blatant lie. This is laughable. Are you serious? You really expect us to believe in this bs? Now you are just exposing yourself, that you are not here to have a serious conersation. I hope the others anon here can see this and realize that there are moments where anons here are just trollign and they have nothing of value to offer. There are awesome anons here, but at the same time there are people who have very little to offer. We must be careful. Let this be a lesson for us all.

>>41901071
>>This is a shame for you but you should stop making this other people's probem.
Again, you are exposing yourself. This website does not belong to you for you to have authority to say for me to stop posting in this site. This site is free for people who are above 18 to post. I can engage in any board and thread that I want and as long as I follow the rules you will have to deal with people like me. I don't know why you are being such a faggot about this dogma subject. Maybe it is a sensitive subject for you. I don't know. But what I do know is that I'm sharing my oppinion just like any anon here and that is not making my problems your problems. Let me close with a question. Do you consider yourself a christian? Because if you do then I think you are a fake one. Christians are known for having patience and being lovely. Look how you are full of hatred and you promoting lies in order to try to affect me. You are saying that my parents are stupid and therefore I'm stupid. This is such a lie. One's parents may be dumb, yes, but the child can be smart. Anyone can be smart. There are people who are "slow" and even them are still smart than a lot of normies out here. You are just trying to be mean. If your intention was to hurt me then you failed.

>an unlicensed builder on meth calling people dogs
hmmm

>>41902443
>>41902461

I can't believe a former High Priest would be so sensitive

You should try being less obnoxious if you get this upset over being insulted anon

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>>41877032
That's not an AI picture you absolute nigger tier retard shill. This is what you've resorted to? Just going on the internet and telling lies?

>>41872217
church with more military backing is the truer faith.

>>41872217
No

>>41898336
>If christianity was true, the one and only true all-powerful all-knowing god would deliberately have created a world, where your birthplace determines your salvation chance.
Have you read the old testament? God curses the tribes that reject him. So if a culture universally rejected Christ, yes their descendants may have a hard time converting. But in the modern world most people have an easy pathway to being Christian, and previously closed off regions like Asia are now seeing tremendous growth.

The only true church is the inner church. Not institutions. You owe it to yourself to be protestant at the very least so you can think for yourself

>>41907429
You're right its not AI, I was wrong. Mea Culpa

>>41872217
The true Church is in you, way too many preachers working for the devil these days

>>41908025
>the old testament god set up a system, where people get punished for something someone else did. (e.g. 3rd 4th generation)
Yeah, punishing someone for a crime someone else commited is evil. That's what the Nazis did. That's what the communists did and do. Evil.

>>41872217
>"heh, sunni and shiah muslims so retarded..."
>meanwhile cuckstians 0.1 seconds after jesus leaves

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Both worship a brown jew that never existed.

>>41909852
If he never existed why say he was from Nazareth? Just say he was from Bethlehem. No need for the escape from Israel narrative to explain why he ended up there huh...

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>>>41909865
>If he never existed why say he was from Nazareth? Just say he was from Bethlehem. No need for the escape from Israel narrative to explain why he ended up there huh...

>>41872217
The real church was the friends you made along the way and inside you all along.

>>41872217
Gnosticism makes more sense than Christianity. Jews worship Yahweh (also known as Yaldabaoth/Demiurge), His actions do not align with a creator that is all-good or all-loving (look up the Epicurean Paradox). Also the Catholic Church has been infiltrated by Jews for a long ass time. Don't know much about Eastern Orthodox though. Either way, Christianity is a goycattle religion. I do think most organized religions have bits of good knowledge and truths to them, but ultimately, they're all just means of controlling people. Christianity is definitely not the truth because it's just a selected few texts and leaves out a lot of texts that aren't in the Bible.

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Was going to add this Epicurean Paradox flowchart to my reply but forgot. No Christian has ever given me a good response to this image.

>>41910017
I like how it was obviously made by an esl
You probably haven't gotten a good response because it assumes too much and nobody wants to argue with a wall of text png

When one asks why evil exists, there is no single uniform answer, only that the true existence of evil implicates a true meaning behind it. The assertion that the scientific method exists and works does not require that one proves it by providing the scientific explanation for everything all at once

>>41872217
neither. Christianity is sociopathic evil right hand path suicidal slave religion.

>>41910039
It's as simple as, "If God is all-powerful, why does evil and suffering exist?". "God has a plan" is retarded cope. God must be evil if he willingly lets children get raped. Enjoy being a goycattle slave for eternity. Christianity literally preaches blind faith, blind obedience. It's literally a slave religion.

>>41910057
Yeah I guess we should all be slaves to capricious spirits and jealous gods, sacrificing animals and people so that they don’t fuck everything up, or we should just be materialist atheists that don’t believe in anything supernatural at all.

>>41910118
Those are not the two options. False dilemma.

I'm God.

>>41910085
>God has a plan" is retarded cope
Actually it's the only cope that truly works. Is "God is evil" supposed to make the rape victim feel better? People want to make sense of their suffering and heal, not steep in anger and bitterness.

Asserting that God is evil only projects our own sense of morality above God's, which is really what your true objective is anyway.

>>41910118
You clearly don't know anything about Gnosticism. I believe in spirituality, just not slave religions. It is so very clear that we live in a simulated reality, one created imperfectly. It's no coincidence that all around the world, the same spiritual themes pop up. It's no coincidence that so many people see the same things when they die. However, the differing factor is what religious figure they see: Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, whatever. People also see the same things on psychadelics, like "life reviews". Reincarnation is real, but it is a trap. You must NOT walk into the light when you die. It makes literally zero logical sense for us to reincarnate "to learn things" if we get our memory wiped right before reincarnating. Reincarnation is a scam by the Archons to farm our loosh. Organized religions are also a scam, and so are the disguises they wear at your death to convince you to consent to the reincarnation mind-wipe. Christ is not a person. Christ consciousness is a state of being that we can all obtain. I don't sacrifice anything and I have morals. I just don't want to be a slave to the Jews, personally. The Jews know this truth about the world and that's why they have so much power. And the Jews aren't just those that self-describe as Jews. The Catholic Church is ran by Jews, for example. You are clearly low-IQ though, so this is probably useless to discuss with you.

>>41910124
>realises he is God
>still lives in the 3d
>still dies
>realisation doesn’t grant him admin rights over the universe
great stuff. if you are God, then there are some limitations on you that you didn’t set, and your incarnation in this human phase can’t be controlled by you.

>>41910136

NTA,

but you proved his point about it being a slave religion when you try to frame it as evil to go with your own morality rather than the Christian God's Morality.

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>>41910149
Your own morality must have an objective basis otherwise it's just my feefees vs yours

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>>41910148

There is nothing logically necessary about what you said.

I'm God and I chose to be here and I chose to play here. And I'll go back up when I'm done having my fun.

The Vertinguous Question is the smoking gun and the only answer to that question is that my immediate conscious viewpoint is God. Not just a part of God, not a mask of God.

But the Big God. Capital G. All of it. I'm It. Right here right now.


>>41910157
The objective basis is God. And I'm God.

Thread being derailed by a schizo, hope the asylums reopen soon

Christcucks always know nothing about the study of religion. Most of them haven't even read a Bible in its entirety. Most of them aren't even aware that there's so much Christian lore outside of the Bible. And somehow, Christianity is the "right path". Retarded. Life must be bliss when you're that stupid and you believe the simpleminded cope explanations like "God has a plan and we don't understand it!". Enjoy importing a billion niggers just because the niggers are Christian or whatever.

>>41910157
Alright, let's dissect what you said. Because Christians think saying this is a gotcha.

It maybe only works on Atheists.

I believe in God. I just don't believe in the Christian God. The Objective Basis for Morality is God. Just not the Christian God.

Now what?

And that God? He's me.

IF I were atheist, maybe you'd have a gotcha here. Me and you both agree that atheism is untenable. Infinite Regress is impossible and something cannot come from nothing.

Now I ask you.

"Why am I me instead of you?"

If you say 'no reason'. you've answered like an atheist.

Guess what the answer is? Eternal. I was always here. I will never stop being.

>>41910176
You actually can understand God's plan, you just can't understand it in every single possible instance

You can understand it for yourself. People throw around things like "child rape victims" because it's an emotionally powerful red herring, not because they care about the victims.
>>41910182
I think the person of Jesus is more historically viable as God than you. Unless you can show me some sort of evidence right now.

You should seek professional help, your family probably misses you.

>>41910190
Have you even read a Bible in its entirety? Have you ever read texts that are outside the Bible, like the Deep Sea Scrolls? If your beliefs are solely derived from your local pastor, then why should I believe you? The issue with Christcucks is 99% of them haven't studied theology at all and just listen to someone else interpret it for them.

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>>41910207
Feel free to actually teach me something that you think I don't know. This entire post is bluster

>>41910190

The philosophy and logic of what I put forth is stronger evidence than 'miracles'.

Jesus's resurrection could have been any number of things. It wouldn't even break my ontology if it happened, because I believe this is my dream. Maybe I spawned a Resurrecting figure in the past on this world. It doesn't bother me.

Philosophy and Logic are better evidence than illusions.

I gave you the reasoning.

Could you answer my question, "Why am I me instead of you?"

>>41910221
I could have chose Heaven.
I chose Hell.

>>41910236
Even if it were 100% true, it is more noble to stick to one's morals and burn in Hell than to bow down to be 'safe'.

>>41872217
Tim Taylor converted to Catholicism when he visited the vatican with chris bledsoe to meet Pope Francis. Hes the go to CIA guy who said he was with something like the adjustment bureau and reported to someone similar to the "hammer" character from the movie with the same name.

>>41910146
>You clearly don't know anything about my meme religion

Gnosticism was some dead thing that only existed in the records of their lost debates until 19th century french hedonists adopted it as flavour text for wealthy social clubs

>>41910250
If an all-knowing, all-powerful, infinitely good God were real and you had morals that were contrary to what he expects you would simply be wrong. You're just a guy. Clinging to those beliefs in this hypothetical out of some obnoxious pride wouldnt be noble at all it would just be stupid. Not bowing down to a human power figure based on your morals is noble because they are a fallible person the same as you. In the case of God, its just being retarded. Your morals in that case would clearly just be mistaken

>>41910017
>God destroys
God does not, Satan is allowed to live outside of God (Hell)

He wants you to turn to him voluntarily, hence free will. Unfortunately people are stupid and use free will for greed, and to hurt others. Hence wars, disease, etc etc.