>>41897941
If I play a video game where bad shit happens to me will I blame the "monster NPC" or will I blame the Admin, who coded the monster and its nature and then let the monster lose to kill me over and over again without helping?

>>41897941
it's edgy reflexive contrarianism, the same way gays and lesbians think they're being special for automatically rejecting the truth of biology, there's nothing deep about it.

>>41897941
ive always hated that non omnipotent kike
fuck you rape enabler and apologist you will go to prison along with your kike coward god
god is not omnipotent he is a pedophile rat fuck nigger rapist
how fucking dare you cover for that disgusting pervert you shit on the floor

>>41897941
demons are part of gods evil elect
cowardly sparks who gave him what he wanted in exchange for selling us out
his evil elect
fuck the child raping tyrant jesus christ

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The truth is that Satan is just God's victim. And I don't think that Satan is a good guy or that he should be trusted, but if you ACTUALLY think about creation then you'd realize that he is just doing what God made him to be.

All that is within Satan (his desires, feelings, his personality) came from God first. God crafted Satan from the scratch out of nothing. So Satan just follows what God put into him which are desires like pride or rebellion. Other angels and beings around God didn't have the same desires, so something in Satan was unique to him. Where did that come from? From God.

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>the creator of uncounted pararell dimensions and the multiverse is yahweh
Lmfao.
So everything was made for jews, even things jews will never see, gotcha

>>41897978
God gave Satan freewill, Satan used that freewill to distort God's creation, therefore Satan is responsible because he had agency in what he did, your logic is nonsensical.

>>41898009
No. People like you just don't really think about the scenario.

Where did Satan's desire come from to use his free will for evil? Everything that is in Satan comes from God FIRST. Satan lived around other Angels and most of these Angels never had to use their free will to not commit evil, because they never desired to. So why did Satan desire this? Where did his desire come from?

From within? Who made all that is within Satan? God did.

>>41898024
God created Satan, true, but God did not puppet Satan's actions and thoughts, you base yourself on the assumption that everything is predetermined, which is wrong because freewill is incompatible with determinism.
Unless, you believe God is controlling you right now.

>>41897978
satan aka lucifer is a victim of the worst rapist to ever exist
lucifer can go fuck himself he enables that coward to rape us all

>>41897941
It's been happening for thousands of years. Eve herself was doing exactly that not too far removed from creation day. The book of Job also expands greaty on this issue.

Truth is, people have their own plans, standards and expectations and lose their shit when something happens that they believe should not have for this or that reason.

Blaming the devil is also nonsense (for the most part anyway; he does indeed play a role in some things but not all).

Bottom line, life (no matter how bad it gets) will always be better if we obey God than if we don't. That's one thing you can be a 100% certain of.

>>41898039
Really now >>41897998

>>41898034
Don't get me wrong I think Satan should be put down or at least be stopped from harming anyone. But ultimately I acknowledge God to be the true cause of everything that is bad and everything that is good.

>but God did not puppet Satan's actions and thoughts

God made Satan as a being who would pick evil and cause harm.
Can you explain why other Angels didn't have the same desires of harm and evil that Satan did? Satan's desire to use his will to cause harm came from within. Can you now tell me who coded, designed and put everything that is within Satan there in the first place?

It's obviously God. So why did he design Satan's nature to crave evil? Again, free will is not an argument because other Angels had the same will and didn't want to do evil. So Satan's NATURE is one that will seek evil if given the chance. Why? Who made it that way?

>>41898049
Angels could choose evil, they chose not to, that's equally valid as choosing evil from a freewill standpoint, your argument is flawed.
Don't mistake conformism for lack of agency.

>>41898057
Most Angels simply didn't DESIRE to choose evil so there was not some kind of free will choice or struggle to be made here. Satan did desire evil very strongly though. Why did he and the others didn't? Why was evil such an inherent part of his nature?

Let me put it like this.
Do you have to choose not to rape children? Like, do you have to use your free will to not do this? I don't. I simply don't want to do it. It is not part of my nature.

>>41898039
>will always be better if we obey God than if we don't
Anon, if it asks you to obey it's an impostor and you should ignore it.

>>41898074
>Do you have to choose not to rape children? Like, do you have to use your free will to not do this? I don't. I simply don't want to do it. It is not part of my nature.
If you can conceptualize of a scenario and actively choose not to do it, that's freewill.
Why do you try to make everything so convoluted, anon? God gave us free choice, it's upon the responsibility of his creations that evil spring forth, bad things happen because people choose to commit them, not because God forced their hand.

>>41898083
And who said He's asking anything? he's commanding obedience.

by the way, never trust philosophies that encourage amorality or the idea that right and wrong are a rigid concept to be discarded, that's how cruelty manifest itself unchecked.

>>41898116
>If you can conceptualize of a scenario and actively choose not to do it, that's freewill.
Well, in christian lore you can't think or do evil in heaven and you still have free will, so I don't really think that makes sense.

>God gave us free choice
Because you didn't answer my question. Why did Angel A) not have the desire to do evil, but Satan had the desire to do evil so strongly he decided to fuck his whole life over for it? Why are they both different inside their hearts? WHO made them to be different? If all people and Angels were the same, we would all make the same choices. But we are all different. So who made us different? Who gave some of us hearts that lean towards evil and evil will be picked?

>>41897941
I assume that for a long time the common person was casually Manichaean and didn't really believe in God's omnipotence. I imagine it was also easier to believe that God created the world good but it got corrupted before old earth and evolution became almost universally accepted.

>>41898133
I think Satan is wrong but God is even more wrong, because he designed Satan's heart and nature and he watches in apathy while Satan lets kids get gangraped and sacrificed even though he could interfere any second.

Imagine if your parents watched you getting raped and brutalized even though they could save you and when you turn to them in utter agony they shrug and say: "Well, your rapists have free will and I respect that."

LMAOOO what the fuck

It's weird to me that a lot of you people have more strict and harsh standards for your human friends than you have for God. If one of your friends just stood there and watched someone you love dearly get hurt badly, raped or killed even though they could have helped... you would probably hate them until the end of time. If your friend just stood there shrugging saying he respects the free will of the other person so he didn't call the police, deal with it.

Yet with God it's even more extreme. God can intervene anytime with no danger or issues. It would be the easiest thing for him to do. He simply decides not do and just watches. And you WORSHIP him for it, suddenly it's God's great plan and he is just respecting our will! But if your friend did this, suddenly he'd be evil scum.

Interesting.

>>41898187
God is an abstract concept and is endlessly reinterpretable to the average person, humans are not and have observable impact in the world.

>>41898195
To a lot of people God is very real and omnipotent. They just brush off his passive watching with "it's free will!" or "it's his epic plan!" so...

>>41898199
That's your definition of God, point still stand.

>>41898209
And you want to tell me God is just an abstract concept to you and not a real being with omnipotence or near omnipotence who created us and knows us?

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>>41897941
It's quite obvious. God created the entire thing.

I'm responsible for creating this. I'm not just going to blame some created character and offload my responsibility onto him.

Anyways, sorry guys. I'm going to dissolve this place once I go back home.

~ Sincerely, The Big G, God.

>>41898211
Yes because God ultimately remain an idea embedded in human minds rather than a literal physical entity in the world.

>>41897941
There was a previous universe before this one, and it failed to ascend and was ultimately destroyed. All the beings living here came from that previous universe, and that sets the stage for their karmic tendencies and the nature of good and evil.
God didn't create the souls, the souls always existed. God gave them a place to live and a set of rules they could abide by if they wanted to live in that place, which was heaven. Some didn't, so he made another place with a different set of rules that they could live in which wouldn't constrain them the same way, which is this creation.

God Satan same thing

>>41898224
Lol, conscious beings do not have to be under any rules.

what a sociopathic ontology you've just proposed.

The only moral way to play 'God' with ant farm worlds is if the characters below are either consenting or if they are NPCs.

Every conscious viewpoint is Eternal and Separate Sovereign Gods. This is the only thing which answers the Vertinguous Question.

>>41898219
So is he an idea or is he a real Being to you?

>>41898145
>I think Satan is wrong but God is even more wrong, because he designed Satan's heart and nature and he watches in apathy while Satan lets kids get gangraped and sacrificed even though he could interfere any second.
Do you really think Satan wants kids to get gangraped and sacrificed? I think even he would be disgusted by it. Satan is just a convenient scapegoat, for the evil that mankind commits in his own heart. God made it so that Humans wouldn't have to bare the whole weight of all their sins, so he gave them Satan to scapegoat their evil inclinations onto so that they could live with themselves while on earth.

>>41898235
>Lol, conscious beings do not have to be under any rules.
If you were capable of such you would currently live that way, and would never have come into this universe in the first place.

>>41898356
I don't really know. I guess it depends on the world view, but some people basically say all the evil in the world is caused by Satan and his demons. I would be happy to know that he was disgusted by this though, anon. But then it would all fall to God, no?

You're all impossibly retarded, all evil comes from human nature, not God, not Satan, not any fantastical scapegoat you imagine to make yourself feel better about the fact you're selfish.

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>>41897941
STUPID MONKEYS HAVE BEEN SACRIFICING TO DEMONS THIS WHOLE TIME AND HAVE THE NERVE TO BLAME THEIR PROBLEMS ON GOD WHEN GOD CREATED THIS WORLD FREE TO ENJOY. CIVILIZATION PUT EVERYTHING BEHIND A PAYWALL. THE OG PLAN WAS FOR US TO LIVE PEACEFULLY IN NATURE WITH OUR FAMILIES FUCKING OUR WIVES. UNTIL MEN LEARNED HOW TO BE GREEDY PIGS.
NOW ITS FUCKED!

>>41898390
>nature is riddled with pain, parasites and death
>even rape or animals toying with other animals out of boredom

But sure, it's only humans.

>>41898399
Humans are part of nature, we are scientifically animals and animals are self-serving by nature.
There is no higher force involved whatsoever, quit believing you're part of a cosmic narrative when it's just you and your impulses doing the work.

>>41898405
So how the fuck does a lion torturing a baby gazelle have anything to do with HUMAN NATURE?

>>41898387
>But then it would all fall to God, no?
No, it falls onto humanity. Humanity is made in God's own image. That means he and we have the same level of responsibility for our existence.
I think all you guys are forgetting the vast metaphysical powers than humanity has. None of you see it because you aren't mystics, and you aren't trying to reconcile yourself with God, but if you were, you would know how far away from perfection we really are, and how far we could go, if we just simply chose to.

>>41898390
Lol how is it retarded to say that the Creator of the System is responsible for its outputs? Especially an omniscient and omnipotent systems designer too.

>>41898405
>quit believing you're part of a cosmic narrative
LOL! NO EXCUSE FOR IGNORANCE. THIS WORLD COULD LITERALLY BE A PARADISE FOR HUMANS IF PEOPLE WERENT SO FUCKING RETARDED + BEING SABOTAGED BY EVIL SPIRITUAL POWERS. THEY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE!

>>41898411
I literally just said it you utter fucking moron, nature's baseline is self-serving exploitation, humans do that all of the time, you are no different from animals in biological imperatives, you kill, use, disregard, and convince yourself there's a higher reason behind it in order to avoid the truth that it's just you being human.

>>41898433
So it's NATURE not human. Maybe say it right next time.

>>41898414
How is the person coding us with our perverse desires not to blame over us being the victims of his creational whims? I never asked to made.

>>41898414
Humans are not special in the grand scheme of things, the sooner extraterrestrial life get confirmed, the more people will realize how small they always were and how religion is a provincial comfort.

>>41898471
You are coding yourself. Your DNA responds to the impulses of your own soul. Your present complexity is the accumulation of millions of years of choices.
>>41898473
Quite special in terms of life on earth. We are the only tool builders here.

>>41898473
I REALLY HATE THAT FAGGY REPTILIAN "YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL" ATTITUDE. DUDE. YOU EXIST. HOW FUCKING COOL IS THAT?!
DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU?

>>41897941
"viltrumification of god"
"invincible died for our sins"
all praise the glorious viltrumite empire!

>>41898493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRpRYPaXnyg

>>41898488
... And the soul was made by who? Who gave it its nature?

>>41898527
The soul is sovereign over its own nature. Its your lack of will, and skill. Live is a challenge, do you rise to its challenge, and overcome it, or do you succumb to it and are overcome by it. The nature of male and female, basically. You have both in you, and both grow according to your choices, and what you interact with.

>>41898547
Nah, that doesn't make sense. Everyone was created with a soul and we are all different. Who made the souls all to be different?

>>41898551
Your choices make you different. The path you take through existence which is entirely your own, that no other being will ever be able to take. Even if you took one soul and completely copied your being, and placed that soul in the position of every bit of information that you possess in your perception, the fact that its past is different, would give it a different trajectory of movement based on the information you possess, than you would take. That is just simple conservation of momentum.
Maybe God made you different, I said earlier God didn't really make the souls.
What I mean by that, is that I existed, before God made me into a soul. I was always eternally myself, but myself wasn't a coherent state of existence or being, it was a chaotic infinity, that was given a choice by a perfect being to align myself with his will, and I chose to do so due to recognition of his supremacy.

>>41898581
If all souls are exactly the same we wouldn't make different choices. So we are all different from scratch. Who made us different?

You could take two identical people in the same situation, one would come out a pedophile serial killer, the other wouldn't.

>>41898605
You were infinitely unique from the start, and God added a component of divinity so your infinite self could become infinite love.

>>41898630
don't delude yourself, humans are just biological meat puppets, nothing infinite can be approximated in us

>>41898605
>>41898630
Might be more accurate to say, guided you towards the potential divinity inherent within your soul.
God by his nature had self realized infinite divinity and chose to teach that to everyone.

>>41898630
So the Creator of our Souls made us all different. Or where did Souls take the "being different" from at their birth?

>>41897941
When zealots attacked their fellow, took control, destroyed the land and the future under the name of God

>>41898690
Think of it like a set of infinite infinities. Each soul is by itself infinite, but there are some similarities between infinite sets. So those are ordered into families, species, kingdoms, types of existences.
Think if there was an infinite realm of chaos, and in some moments of that chaos comes along a coherent wave which corresponds to previous waves which occurred in that chaos, and have self similar structure. Its like a voice which emerges and speaks its own self into being. That is basically us. Then there is a supreme voice, a perfectly good infinity, which is self realized and enlightened to its own infinite nature, and called to us, the self similar waves, names, and we answered that call. He spoke to us and instructed us, and breathed into us his spirit, and he brought us into creation so that we could live and grow in an environment conducive to growth of spiritual traits which would grant us the ability to survive within the infinite chaos under our own will and choice.
Basically, he gave us souls the ability to become angels, and so we chose to do so.
I don't know how it is for everyone else, that is just how it was for me. I have wanderings of the mind indicating growth from the very beginning, from the most basic elemental forms of existence, to life. Humans were jumpstarted into human existence. I don't know if all humans had to go through every stage like I did, or if he made it so they could be made human from the start and would get to skip every other stage of evolution.
I believe the knowledge of good and evil, is a type of choice, to be allowed the access to the chaos of the previous stages, the prior universal existence which had no consistency or absolute morality of sustained being. I think that is because the 'evil', we see, is like echoes of the infinite chaos, but there was the potential for good to be wrought into that chaos, and so creation was fashioned upon the surface between, so good could infinitely expand and grow.

>>41897941
In my life I started to blame God for all the evil in the world after I read isaiah 45:7. Before that I was a christian and I beleived in Jesus and I would defend christianity, but I did not read the bible so much at the time. This is key. Many people genuinely believe in God and Jesus Christ, but they don't have the habit of reading their bibles. This is also key. It's complicated to talk about this, but in my life some kind of debrainwashing process" began inside my being. Somehow I realized that I was brainwashed by the church, I realized that they don't really teach the bible nor the history of the church. Anyway, I started to study. I went the habbit hole of occultism. I realized that the bible is not 100% true as I believed. The bible lies. How can I say, I started to have critical thinking or to think critically or to question things. Like, when I read the bible I always read through a biased lens. Even when I did read somethign suspicious, my brain would discard it beacause God is good so that time when God asked for something wicked you does feel that something is off, but because you have been indoctrinated you don't pay attention to that gut feeling you telling you that something is off. Once I accepted that I was brainwashed I was not going to brush it off when I read something suspicious in the bible. So eventally you will read about Isaiah 45:7 and it is there. After that I realized that God is the source of Evil all along. God is the creator. Why would he create everything except evil? No. God also created evil. God being the most evil bein ever. Once you realize that God is the sole reason behind everything then it clicks. Then you will be just like us cursing God and wishing for death because this whole life is an illusion. God operates through fear because the bible says that the principle of wisdom or the start of wisdom is to fear God. So once God has you fearing Him then it is easier to control you though things like Hell.

>>41897941
Faggot
>>41897953
/Thread

"Choosing" been having a problem with this concept lately. The concept of free will makes no sense if you can even say it is a concept. It's really just 2 words, a phrase that has no definition but implies some independence from something that would be the opposite of free will. People say that choice proves we have free will but what is a choice? It's a direction, it's change, it's momentum. Even germs make choices, the difference is that we're aware of ours and I don't see that there's anything more to it than that. It seems to me we're observers of this experience with no real dominion over anything including ourselves. A river that flows because it must flow, things only change because they must according to nature. Forms bound to the function of their forms, forms bound to the environment those forms are place in. Nothing truly original or with any sovereignty, everything a culmination of so many things it has no control over, every moment a product of the last as it all inevitably marches forward. I just don't see how anyone can be blamed, held accountable. In the grand scheme it all seems so trivial. This world is not my making, I'm a soul pulled from a void out of the vanity and boredom of my parents. I had no control over genetics, the ways I was and wasn't raised. Why did I realize this specific thing now, why not 10 minutes ago? Why not 10 minutes from now. A though or emotion arises though I didn't give them permission. You could say them that I have the ability to choose how to respond to the thoughts and emotions but even the way we respond is specific to the circumstances we find ourselves in. I respond one way simply because that is what it lead to in this moment, you respond another and you have your own casual chain that lead you to be who and what you are. I'm so tired it all, why does it all make sense yet none of it makes sense at the same time. A storm that never settles, no solid ground.

>>41899482
I want to say more. Do you know when your whole life you are feed an story that you think it's true because it's your parents who told you that story and how come you will not trust what your parents teach you? But once you go out and start to have experiences with the real world then you realize that your parents are wrong and they are not bright? This is a grim reality for a lot of us. When we realize that our parents are, what's the word, gullible sheep? You start to feel and uderstand why your life is the way it is. It's because your parents are under control and they followed dogmas which when you follow them lead exactly to where they ended up in. How can I say, you realize that your own mom and dad don't know the truth and this is grim. If they don't know the truth then this means you don't know the truth because you are their son and there's no way for you to talk to them because they believe in the dogma and they did not go through this debrainwashing process that you went to. Maybe they had the chance at one point in their lifes to realize the truth, but they did chose not to. They did "brush it off" when they felt that gut feeling telling them that something was off. Most of our problems start with our parents. Our parents will ruin us. They project their fears into us. Their project their trauma into us and it gets to apoint that even bad things get passed to you by the genes, things like diseases. Once you realize this then it so much easier to question God and realize how fragil the system is. The system being that once people start to question it's over. Once they scape the brainwashing thing that is going on since birth then it's over. Now you have a person who is aware that they are trapped in this evil reality and there's nothing the christian can say to change your mind because you know better than the christian.

>>41898024
>>41898009
Angels don't have freewill. This is Protestant gobbildy goop.

Satan and all Demons have a fixed will. Only Humans have Free Will.

At the moment of Creation the Angles were revealed the majority of things. Specifically they were shown exactly what would happen if they chose to serve or to rebel. The second they made a choice there will was fixed and cannot be changed.

Lucifer being the closest to God desired to Rule over the Humans. He got what he wanted by the way. That's the funny part that bitch ass nigga Lucifer won't tell you. He got what he wanted he does rule over humans but only for a time because he isn't God. There's also stuff about a certain human creation of God and Lucifer being jealous he would never be like her and how Human Free Will may have influenced the Demons choices.

>>41899541
>>41899482
I'm trying to say to you that is not out of nowhere that people start to curse God. It is a process that takes time, decades. It takes time to fight the brainwashing and the contitioning that all of us go through during our childhoods. A lot of things must conspire together in order to 'wake" a person up. And just like The Matrix jokead about, not everyone accepts the truth and accepts to be waked up from the illusions being projected in our lives. One of the first things that made me start to question things was when someone initiated me into the misteries of talking through symbols. Things like the all seeing eyes and pyramids and hexagrams and crosses and all the symbology that we must know in order to talk and understand this occult language. You see that even the catholic church is in some withcraft and evil shit so once you start to see all of things you can't help yourself but realize that everything is a lie and that's a fact. And who is the entity behind all of this? It is not Satan. Satan is a small god. The one behind this reality is God Himself. Gos is the source of all our sufferings. Everything can be traced back to this one being or concept, God. But the trick that God uses is that He manages to not be a prick with some people and those people will not have it so bad as the rest of us because God is using them to fool the rest and so these people will say things like God is good and God cares for us and God wants you to accept Him and etc. God is a master manipulator. I have so much more to say, but just know that people don't start to curse God out of nowhere. We have a point. We are not trying to be "edgy". That is silly. We are trying to express our anger towards God.

>>41899590
Humans can't do evil or want to overturn God in Heaven either and allegedly have free will.

>>41899628
Because your repulsive human tendencies are overwritten in order to maintain the harmony of Heaven.

>>41899885
I think you have a flawed understanding of things. Forcing men to live a lie to maintain 'heavenly harmony' is still a lie. So its not actually heaven. That would be hell.
Now any ladies reading this thread wanna come to my place and bounce on my pinga? YOLO.

>>41899957
>Forcing men to live a lie
Heaven is not a lie, your world is built on lies, that's the difference.
If removing the lie remove your comfort, you deserved it.

>>41899981
>your repulsive human tendencies are overwritten
LOL!
We like to fuck. I'm sorry you're a fag.
I, on the other hand consciously seek to limit the harm I do to other beings in my life.
So basically you're justifying torturing a lion with a healthy sexuality who defends his honor from scumbags in the name of Heaven.
I don't understand.

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Who created the devil? Who benefits from satan's existence?

Christcucks are eternally deceived by fake binary choices when it's a uniparty behind closed doors

>>41899981
Your bible literally says heaven is above the clouds and we know that to be false.

>>41899981
>>41900108
Why? Because it looks weird to you?
Is that what you call spiritual purity? Trashing others for having desires and needs? Why do you people always point the finger at mankind and never at the one who is ultimately responsible for our condition in the first place?
If I'm not mistaken, it was THEIR angels that corrupted and brought mankind to WAR with each other.
https://youtu.be/vx0zU0meEFE

>>41900126
>Why do you people always point the finger at mankind and never at the one who is ultimately responsible for our condition in the first place?
They're lying and protecting their evil father, that's why. They really think they're going to pull this off and condemn everyone who was fucked over by being born in this retarded faggot ass world. The truth will be so overwhelming you will be forced to capitulate.

>>41900126
>>41900133
A perfect being cannot become corrupted. At all. And their creations should be perfect in as much as they are. So what gives?
I'm totally guilty, dude. Burn me at the stake. Stone me to death. Crucify this passion.
Not going to fucking happen.

>>41900119
>heaven is above the clouds and we know that to be false.
RIGHT. Because its actually in a different dimension right in front of our fucking faces. And these bugmen faggots think they're getting away with pushing our heads down when we rise up.

>NO, STUPID GOY. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE DESIRES. IT MAKES GOD ANGRY!
Lying bugmen cowards.
Fuck those faggots. Enjoy your life just try not to hurt people. Everyone makes mistakes but its usually not the end of the world. Depending how deep in the abyss you are. Dont ever stoop THAT low like some people have..

Who ever showed up with...
The better deal first...
Gets the hand...
And seeing that your gods are dead...
Then the wily one...
May have it...
If you believe is such stories...
But sum don't...
They believe in other things...
Like human nature...

>>41897941
>why does people blame an allegedly omnipotent, omniscient being, creator of all and everything, about their life's shortcomings
retard
>muh free will
>muh devil
holy cope but no surprise, coming from the same retards that believe a successful surgery is "a miracle from god" and the same surgery failing is just that person or his surgeon problem. its just an excuse to be shit persons and vote for pedos and people shittier than them.

>>41897941
God made satan.

>>41898365
I chose to play here. I'm going back home after I have my fun, and I'm dissolving this place from above. I'm God and I'm discontinuing this place when I get back home.

I'm God. It's me. Not part of God. I'm the God.

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>>41900166
>Different dimension
It's not. It's always been a physical place until rockets were invented. Then the Jew copes came out. Biblical prophets declared we live in a dome. Flying rabbi stories would be unnecessary.

I'm not religions. But the system to me is this:
Satan is a being of cosmic law, just as God is.
Satan is the judge and tormentor. That means he is there to judge humanity for their evil actions. I see a lot of people blaming Satan for controlling them, making them do this and that, tempting them and etc.
But humanity is said to have free will, right? Their free will would be abolished if Satan could do that.
Therefore it is humanity making evil choices, going to hell and being tormented by Satan.

>>41897941
>God is the source of goodness and Satan is the source of evil
But what is the source of Satan?

>>41897941
nigga please, the "elite" aka politcians, billionaires, rich fags, celebrities etc are fucking kids and doing ritual sacrifices and God doesn't do a thing about it, He could smite every single one of them tomorrow and the World will love it
Your example is stupid, is like a kid was sold to a pedo by the parents, you blame the pedo or the parents ? i say put a bullet in both of them, but is the parents fault

>>41898049
>>41898057
Also, both of you can examine my words if they have anything of value. Even if God made a being with the possibility under free will to be evil, thereby logically God created evil, by nature of there being good/God there will always be evil/awayness from God if ANYTHING exists besides God. So, even though free will can choose evil, in a way it's out of God's hands because as he is causal then so to would evil be causal. Free will allows choice/chaos to happen because there is a binary. 0 or 1 and then you make sequences out of that for the gradient in between. Reality is neither just 1 or 0 or else all of existence would either be a single uniform, or wouldn't exist. God wrote the code but like the code he is the 1. If it was just him it would just be 1 as the only integer.

Schizobabble I know, but I brush up against the gardens of God, I like to believe.

>>41898390
IF, because I am espousing systems I don't quite believe in, but if all of this is hyper-reality light beams slowed down to a crawl into this existence, then suffering is a thought-music-existence that is a shit melody and joy is a thought-music-existence that is harmonizing with the angel choir.

Doesn't make having a cancer child or being tortured by parents any better, but how come the more orderly Humans get the less of that happens? Is the growth towards orderliness a necessary part existence and it can have an ugly look?

>>41897962
underrated

>>41897941
because religions are an inconsistent mess of bad fanfic that make no fucking sense whatsoever. that's why they need priests and scholars, because those have been trained to calm down the inquiring masses.

I could talk about how "god" supposedly "invented evil", that alone is a reason to blame "god" for all evil. because that's what this sentence says.
In reality people worship the devil, Yahweh, or Jehovah, but think it's not the devil. the true god is unknown to them; She has been reduced to a power source, a cogwheel in a machinery.

Humans always look for external sources to blame or worship. What a wate, and a sad tale. But do not despair, it will all end very soon.

>>41898049
This is the reason I cannot believe the Christain God.

It's the same reason I always ask, why do some follow God and others don't? Like, where does it actually come from?

And no matter how much i explain to Christains they just say free will. Yes, you have free will, but why is it that the majority of people (since only over 2 billion christains) have the will to not follow your God? That will to choose not to follow him must come from somewhere. If you say God's grace, then is seems unjust to give a minority unfair advantage and damn most to hell.

Same with the angels. Where did the will for Lucifer and a third of the angels to oppose God actually come from?

This is very old and its called Gnosticism. The first heresy.

>>41898122
Pedantic, same thing, only an impostor would want obedience and worship and all the retarded stuff that comes with it.

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>>41897941
How it started
>I will pray to acknowledge that the greater things in life are out of my control so I won't get angry or sad when bad things happen
How it went
>You must pray to the church or else God will punish you and so you can train yourself to submit to us
How it was going
>God isn't real, it's all science and shit but if God was real he would be evil because he doesn't let me be evil so hail Satan
How it is now going
>God is real and I hate him, he made this evil prison planet because I doom spiraled myself instead of getting upset at my own shitty practices and evil things that I support. I must obtain Gnosis and escape!

>>41897953
Literal skill issue. You would fall into entropy if it was too easy.

>>41902011
>Literal skill issue. You would fall into entropy if it was too easy.

Yes, skill issue. We don't have the same powers as God. You don't either.

>>41901083
The entire premise of having to follow or not follow at the threat of damnation is evil.

The entire premise of forcing conscious beings to play in a moral play is evil.

I'd reject Christianity even if it were true. Because I have morals.

>>41902041
Based.

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>>41897941
without even realizing it people are rediscovering gnosticism and the extremly obvious fact that the "god" in the old testament is the devil

>>41897941
If God is omnipotent why did he just give Satan total control over the world?

>>41897941
The God of the Old Testament is different from the god of the new testament. Jesus never even called him by his name Yahweh.
You can't defend the god of the old testament as a good and loving one, he is worse than Satan, baal, Moloch and the worst of humanity combined imo.

>>41897941
Because the claim that God is omnipotent and benevolent has very obvious implications.
Your next dumb question?

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>>41902809
>People do shitty things
>But it's ok because our leader said it is God's will
>Bible stories later say that God himself actually did that so the people are innocent
>People forget that humans are corruptible just so they can attack God.

>>41897998
Ah, the devil jew God, Yahweh

>>41897941
The Devil has no power over the material world beyond tempting people to sin. He's not the source of evil.

The Bible lies says god created evil lol Isaiah 45:7

>>41902944
Bullshit. The Lord Jesus Christ is the God of the OT:

"And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. " (Exodus 3:13-14)

"Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. " (John 8:57-58)

>>41897941
They have never had to pull the trigger, just point the finger.

>>41897962
you're literally mixing him up with Satan. I hope you someday see the error of your ways.
he fucking hates rape and sends rapists to hell if not also punishing them with prison in the land of the living. I see your perspective tho, I have felt like that before.

Some say "Adam's first excuse in Genesis directly pointing blame at God for giving him Eve, shows this dynamic existed from the start."
Adam didn't eat the apple until Eve fell into temptation and now men complain when woman say they don't know where they want to eat

i thought about it, and I believe that God gave Satan free will, and God tends to write destiny for us. We already knows what the results are going to be for each and every choice we commit. I believe that God wants to test us; and see what we pick, and what we select what little freedom/freewill we have that God gave to us. This way, he also tested Iblees (Satan) and saw that he took the wrong path.

Offloading free will.
Offloads blame for ones actions.
A way to escape guilt or shame for ones choices or failings.
But why do you have that guilt or shame in the first place?
It is a red flag. A sign your behavior is wrong and you need to correct it. Not cover it up. Hide it away. Disguise it.
Because until the issue is resolved. It will fester.
It is your body's physical state, trying to push you to survive. Fix the problem.

>>41897941
and God is probably sending me to hell because i cant face open heart surgery. how cruel is that.

Serious question: do you guys treat the supernatural and the divine as inseparable concepts or do you believe the former can exist without the latter?

>>41907245
an omniscient creator and free will is incompatible brainlet

also your abrahamic texts say free will doesn't exist

>>41897972
Lived a perfect life, is God, healed the sick, raised the dead, turned the whole world upside down, practiced and taught to love each other, took the horrible ancient symbol of crucifixion and turned it into a symbol of hope.
This is an awesome God.
Mary pray for you,
Jesus have mercy on you,
In the name of Jesus Christ and by the power of his name, may all the demons of your life burn with hellfire for eternity. May Jesus Christ release you of their whispers and influence.
I pray these things for you in the name of the one true God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
Amen

>>41898034
Satan still has the ability to ask for forgiveness during this time when God has so easy the forgive and pour out his mercy. By the nature of existence this easy way to mercy, asking God's forgiveness, won't last forever. Satan literally only has to ask for forgiveness during this time.

>>41897941
Why would God give Satan complete control over the world? Would you leave your children alone with your enemy?

>>41907765
Because you're too shortsighted to see the lesson behind it.

>>41907765
Because he loves you. He loves you, and he needs money

>>41897941
The truth that modern man has forgoten is that the Devil is a slaver and that sinners are slaves to their vices.
This truth was subverted in the 19th century and modern man now believes that sin is freedom and that anything which inhibits his ability to serve his slaver is evil.
>A man cannot have two masters lest he love one and hate the other
Moreover the modern man lives in dissonance and doesn't even recognize when he is receiving the evil wages for his evil works.

>>41900119
Heaven is outside the physical universe.
The first heaven is the atmosphere, the second heaven is space w all the galaxies, third heaven is the astral plane.
Research NDEs and OBEs, when they leave their bodies they transmigrate through space past all the galaxies.
The physical universe is samsaric, in impermanence, where all phenomenon are transient.

>>41907765
What if Satan is just women and we did it to ourselves?

>>41908829
elaborate anon

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>>41897941
because YOUR god says he is responsible for evil himself, dummy.
he gives people strong delusions so they would believe lies, lying spirits, reprobate minds, hardened hearts, causes wars and plagues, etc. the devil works for Jehovah. read Job chapter 1, satan is in the heavenly counsel with the other sons oof god and he is an advisor and agent of YHWH, he works for god. but you WILL ignore thoose passages and tell me that my lying eyes can't read properly.

>>41897941
please God let me die without having to be on ECMO or get open heart surgery.

>>41897962
>God is literally a sandnigger

Grim..
No wonder the world is a vile place

Inb4 raycis, I'm a sandnigger from Egypt
It can't get any more sandniggery than that

>>41897962
Exactly, Epstein believed in God.

>>41897941
Because the Creator is the one ultimately in charge.

>>41897941
As the saying goes:"When you're in charge, everything is your fault"
Anyhow, an anthropomorpic God that cares about your individua troubles does not exist.

>>41897941
do you blame the guy with omniscience and can reverse causality or his employee who had a falling out?