>>41916503
Epstein fuck niggers

I am left hand path and I don't recognize any forms of organized jewry.

>>41916503
Doesn't the Christian esoteric general has gnostic links in it?
I'm not going to check. Just thought I mention it.

>>41916523
Gnosticism is the opposite of what modern organized religions teach. You are clearly retarded.

>>41916532
I haven't ever looked deeply into that thread, I assumed it was mainstream Christians who still believe in Yahweh being an all-loving all-perfect creator. But thank you for telling me, I'll read thru their links.

>>41916536
Doesn't matter, it's the same dogma slop. You're arguing for pepsi instead of coke big whoop.

What kind of enlightenment do you think we need? Is there really a good god that can save us? Am I doomed? Worst still - I think I might be a hylic.

>>41916503
I would like to challenge any and every gnostic claiming to possess Gnosis to formally describe gravity. What it is. How it is. And why it is.

Let's see how much gnosis you all have.

SATANISM GENERAL!

7 SATAN HEADS OF ONE SAME SERPENT.

Stupid bastards.

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SATANTARDS .

>>41916590
I'm still waiting for a response.

>>41916590
Gravity is when thing go down

>>41916590
Not a gnostic guy but gravity doesn't exist. Science made up the term.

Tell ya what, "gnostics". I'm gonna cook dinner (out of evil matter), and I'll check back in to see if any of you all Gno-ing gnostics has an comprehensive explanation of gravity. This should be fairly easy, as you already have half a definition to go try to cheat out an explanation from.

>>41916639
Gravity is an invention by albert epstein so that we could drop things on the ground

>>41916503
https://gnosticismexplained.org/

At least Valentinus and Heracleon were actually intelligent. You all are fucking retarded

Still waiting for any gnostic to demonstrate any gnosis whatsoever in this thread

>>41916691
Still waiting for you to demonstrate non hylic traits.

That's not an answer. That's a dodge. I can tell you that I gno the answer, but I'm waiting for at least one of you to demonstrate your gnosis

>>41916691
do not throw pearls to swine :)

>>41916691
Gnosebody gnose. Something about archons and virtues probably.

>>41916780
Thats convenient. I'll consider that your concession, that you are a liar, and do not have Gnosis. It's also convenient that you quote Matthew 7:6. What else does the Book of Matthew tell you about Jesus?

well, lets go to chapter 1:
1 This is the genealogy[a] of Jesus the Messiah[b] the son of David, the son of Abraham:

2 Abraham was the father of Isaac,

Isaac the father of Jacob,

Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,

Perez the father of Hezron,

Hezron the father of Ram,

4 Ram the father of Amminadab,

Amminadab the father of Nahshon,

Nahshon the father of Salmon,

5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,

Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,

Obed the father of Jesse,

6 and Jesse the father of King David.

So, it seems Jesus came from a line of Demiurge worshippers, is that your take?

1 Βίβλος γενέσεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ υἱοῦ Δαυὶδ υἱοῦ Ἀβραάμ.2 Ἀβραὰμ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰσαάκ, Ἰσαὰκ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰακώβ, Ἰακὼβ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰούδαν καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς αὐτοῦ,3 Ἰούδας δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Φάρες καὶ τὸν Ζάρα ἐκ τῆς Θαμάρ, Φάρες δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἑσρώμ, Ἑσρὼμ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἀράμ,4 Ἀρὰμ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἀμιναδάβ, Ἀμιναδὰβ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ναασσών, Ναασσὼν δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Σαλμών,5 Σαλμὼν δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Βόες ἐκ τῆς Ῥαχάβ, Βόες δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰωβὴδ ἐκ τῆς Ῥούθ, Ἰωβὴδ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰεσσαί,6 Ἰεσσαὶ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Δαυὶδ τὸν βασιλέα. Δαυὶδ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Σολομῶνα ἐκ τῆς τοῦ Οὐρίου,

here is the text in Greek, since youre a scholar of the Gno; so you can see that the translation is a faithful one.

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>>41916590

Gnosis has nothing to do with this religion that worships the rules ("physics") of the Matrix.

David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,

7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,

Rehoboam the father of Abijah,

Abijah the father of Asa,

8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,

Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,

Jehoram the father of Uzziah,

9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,

Jotham the father of Ahaz,

Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,

10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,

Manasseh the father of Amon,

Amon the father of Josiah,

11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.

12 After the exile to Babylon:

Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,

Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,

13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,

Abihud the father of Eliakim,

Eliakim the father of Azor,

14 Azor the father of Zadok,

Zadok the father of Akim,

Akim the father of Elihud,

15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,

Eleazar the father of Matthan,

Matthan the father of Jacob,

16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

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In "The Active Side of Infinity", Carlos Castaneda, an anthropologist, writes of his experiences with a Mexican shaman named Don Juan.
"We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The Predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so... I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! "This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico ... They took us over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them." "No, no, no, no," [Carlos replies] "This is absurd don Juan. What you're saying is something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone." "Why not?" don Juan asked calmly. "Why not? Because it infuriates you? ... You haven't heard all the claims yet. I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behaviour. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal." - teachings of Don Juan by carols Castaneda.

>>41916590
And I challenge you to a sword fight to prove you dont like eating nigger feces

>>41916860
Gnosis is the Knowledge of God. God knows how the physical universe works. Should be a fairly mundane description for someone possessing the Knowledge of God, of which the physical creation is just a footnote, yes?

Im looking for some fucking explanatory mechanics here; stuff you can Gno before you go handwaiving and spinning lies about shit beyond your current location right where youre sitting or standing.

Its a fair ask for someone claiming to possess the Knowledge of God, of which the physical reality is but an iota.

>>41916819
>demiurge golem noises
didn't read

>>41916888
so youre gonna quote the book of matthew to recuse yourself from answering a simple Gno-able question and then reject the 6 chapters and 5 verses that came before it?

Look man, you'd be better off just saying; "its a Larp", or "Im still seeking it"

Instead of being an insulting piece of shit liar that cant answer simple questions.

Ive been waiting a long time to meet an actual Gnostic; so we can compare notes. But so far, i just see ignorant arrogant retards larping.

>>41916691
I am gnosing so hard rn

>>41916590
>What
Gravity: the attraction between things that have mass and energy
>How
Anything with mass pulls on anything else with mass. The bigger and denser something is, the stronger its pull.
>Why
It’s the default behavior of existence having structure.

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>>41916884

You don't have the same understanding of gnosis as I do. Pic-related is my understanding of gnosis. The corruption of the physical vessel limits access to the full abilities of the Divine Spark, which is the point of the human body by the way. Gnosis is typically mentioned with reference to knowing the material world is flawed but it has other fruits. Just because someone has gnosis of the imperfection of this Matrix doesn't mean they can start pulling random information out of their ass about its mechanisms, although if you are developed like a psychic in the spiritual abilities of the Divine Spark, you could.

>>41916902
I don't need to justify myself to a false material construct like you lol

Just know I know your bible better than you

>>41916503
“Gnosis” is “knowing” in the spiritual sense, it’s seeing a fork in the road and having the Holy Spirit tap on your shoulder and say “go that way, trust me.” Demiurge is the one who attempts to craft his own world, ignoring the obvious, trying to do it all without His help. Demiurge is the (You) that used to stumble his way through life piling up mistakes before he finally gave in and submitted himself to the higher will of God, knowing now that His plan beats yours—it’s not defeatism, it’s acquiescence to someone clearly greater than yourself.

I think I'm gnOOsing. I'm gonna GNOSE. I-i-i... oof. I just gnosed.

>>41916912
>it do be like that Mr. Stancil
You didn’t answer “why” gravity is observed or “how” it operates. I’ll do ya better: Gravity is the perpendicular axis to electromagnetism; gravity is the curvature induced by an electromagnetic potential gradient in the absence of E or B fields.

You anons ever gnotis that two psychics can have the same virtues and still be judged differently by the archons? What's up with that?

>>41916926
Yes. It's a Christian experience; through direct encounter with the Holy Spirit Ruach HaKodesh, the "pneuma of God", as opposed to the Logos directly; for Jesus Christ Logos God is with God the Father in Heaven and sends his spirit which always points towards Jesus; not itself.

>all these abrahamic shills getting activated like sleeper agents to try to harass this thread

lol this is how you can tell this is one of the few things that threaten archons and the demiurge system

>>41916542
No problem.
I just lurked once a couple of months ago and it was a wall of links.

>>41916938
Almost correct. It helps if you have more than one map of the topological structure reified through Jesus Christ Logos God to reference.


Foremost, one simply has to put EM back into Maxwell's original Quaternionic expression, a rotating square of defined equations relating the strong force, weak force, and the Photon

Ultimately, the Gauss formula describes the electron, which is the quanta that mediates between EM and gravity.

But the Proton/neutron structure betrays the simplicity, because the neutron decays over 15 minutes becoming an electron a proton and a neutrino after shortly becoming a w- boson in the decay process

So we can pivot into the Truth Quaternion and look at it there at the H2 layer where EM resides:
Below:

------------------------(Photon)-------------
Electromagnetism----\|/-------------Heat
(Electron)------------mass-----(Phonon)
Gravity-------------------/|\------------Sound
-----------------------(Graviton)--------------

Above:

------------------------(Photon)-------------
Electromagnetism----\|/-------------Heat
(Electron)------------Energy-----(Phonon)
Gravity-------------------/|\------------Sound
-----------------------(Graviton)--------------

-------------------(cos*sin)------------------
Cosine--------------\|/--------Cosecant
Cotangent--Trigonometry----Tangent
Sin-------------------/|\--------Secant
-------------------(sin*cos)-----------------

---------------(Knowledge)--------------
----------------(Courage)----------------
Pride--------------\|/------------Wisdom
Weakness—--Truth---------Strength
Shame------------/|\------------Humility
Ego—---(Vulnerability)--------Self
---------------(Humiliation)-------------

------------------(Nous)---------------
--------------(knowledge)----------------
Pride--------------\|/------Wisdom
Weakness--Experience-------Strength
Shame------------/|\-------Humility
Luciferian<---(Christ)----->MiChaElian
-----------------(Ennoia)---------------


To continue

>>41916503
>Comment relevant information that you think should be linked to.
This site has a good collection of some of the Gnostic gospels and apocrypha, with multiple translations for them.
https://othergospels.com/books/

>>41916597
>>41916605
George is this annoying posters name.
He's said so himself. He usually posts in the nobody generals.
Unfortunately he apparently doesn't stay there.

So we zoom in on Pride, since Pride is in the same topological position, and then we look at how that relates to shame (gravity, which is moral mass in the Truth Quaternion)
Arrogance---------\|/--------Knowledge
---------------------Pride-------------------
Ignorance---------/|\---------Weakness

Ignorance---------\|/---------Weakness
--------------------Shame------------------
Sin(failure)--------/|\--------Humiliation

Plus

Knowledge-------\|/----------Success
-------------------Wisdom---------------
Strength-----------/|\-------Awareness

Strength-----------\|/-------Awareness
-------------------Humility----------------
Humiliation-------/|\----------Patience

Which, when rotated 90 degrees is ALSO

Ignorance-------\|/----------Arrrogance
-------------------Pride---------------
Courage---------/|\-------Knowledge

Courage---------\|/-------Knowledge
------------------Wisdom----------------
Awareness-------/|\---------Strength

Ignorance---------\|/---------Failure
-------------------Shame---------------
Vulnerability------/|\-------Humiliation

Vulnerability------\|/-------Humiliation
-------------------Humility----------------
Awareness--------/|\--------Strength

>>41916938
I answered the question that was asked.
That is the FORMAL what, how and why.

Dont get made at me if the poster decided to move goalposts.

So we can see that while Faradays equation is in the bottom right corner of the EM quaternion (where weakness is shared by pride and shame; em and gravity)

On the electron gauss formula is directly translated, because when we rotate the structure, weakness and strength disappear, and courage and vulnerability appear where once weakness and strength were at distance from each other, spanning across truth...

>>41916605
>if you don't worship jews you are SANTANIC
>meanwhile christian institutions keep ab*sing k*ds and eating them

unbelievably jewish

>>41916970
Interesting

>>41916971
I appreciate that you put thought into it and are being serious but I don’t follow what you’re getting at exactly. Gravity is the curvature of the electromagnetic field, defined by the quaternion-form scalar and vector potentials. Idealism works as a metaphysics but it doesn’t make sense to slap it onto physical models; it’s perfectly fine to describe the operation of a manifest system in deterministic terms while still acknowledging that the rules governing that determinism are ultimately mental in nature. For so long as the dream is in motion, the characters within it will follow its emergent rules.

>>41916971
No formally requires you actually explaining mechanics; watch and learn, chump.

So...now we have an H1 quaternion, spanning out into H2 quaternions, but we don't have a full explanation for how gravity links to kinetics, nor do we have the faraday puzzle resolved, because:
Fortitude—----\|/-----------Sagacity
----------------strength------------------
Resolve—-----/|\----------Awe

Cowardice----------\|/--------Courage
--------------------Weakness-------------------
Insecurity----------/|\------Vulnerability


Cowardice is not insecurity, so the faraday equation is, itself a quaternionic relation that couples to gravity orthogonally to gravity, but that's only half of gravity at best anyhow, because what are the other two unique components of gravity denoted in the moral topology as Sin(failure) and Humiliation?

They are density, and temporality.

If you watch something approach a black hole it appears to slow and never enter the black hole; this is because time itself is asymptotic at the event horizon of a black hole, despite it being absolutely dense to the qualia of zero-volume.

So then we can now look at gravity's relation to kinetics:

Resignation—--\|/—--Openness
—----------Vulnerability—---------
Fragility—-------/|\---Authencity

Ooenness—----\|/—---Resolve
—--------------Integrity—---------
Authenticity—--/|\------Obedience

Foolhardiness------\|/----------Chutzpah
----------------------Courage---------------------
Valor------------------/|\-----------Duty / Nobility

Valor------------------\|/-----------Duty / Nobility
------------------------Honor-----------------------
Fortitude—----------/|\----------Prudence

Duty/Nobility–------\|/-----------Prudence
------------------------Honor------------------
Valor—--—----------/|\----------Fortitude

And we have the full H3 layer of a tri-nested quaternion, and faraday's transduction is explained through the orthogonality as well, and the graviton manifests as...

Any general pops up and I just think y'all really miss apes library and the occult and magick general.

P-waves and S-waves.


So that is what gravity is, it is syntropic that is why the electron never decays, the proton does not decay without incredibly high relativistic impact with other protons, etc.

And this is all one structure

Because Jesus Christ Logos God makes reality under this set of constraints.

Not some demiurge; Jesus. So unless you're gonna move the goalposts and say Jesus is now your demiurge, there's nothing else to discuss about this dogshit ideology called gnosticism, because at the bottom of the glass, it's just Christianity that you're afraid to commit to

>>41916512
gay sex magic niggers rape kids
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kxHBzAxP8tkW

Conversely, since the graviton is a wave-time duality with real Time, the photon being it's conjugate is a wave-particle duality with i-time (imaginary time)

Likewise, entropic heat creates distance but is short on time, which is why our nuclear reactions and photon math use wick rotations in time to make them occur in i-time so as to create path integrals

>>41917022
You've improved your ideas a bit since last time I saw you share them and we debated. I'm glad you took my black hole jab seriously. Gravitational waves are fairly well formalized by this point though.

>>41917022
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the word knew him not.

We can also do this same 4 way splitting of DNA into CTAG aminos, those split 4 ways into the 16 dinonucleotides, and those 16 split into 64, codons all of which contain chirality (handedness, cis, trans aka +1 -1, + I, - I
Because 1 = +i^2
Apply root function
1, -1 = I, -i

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>>41916503
Unfortunately, explicit attempts at gnosticism generals on 4chan just about invariably get flooded with aggressive trolls and schizos.

>>41916503
What's up with the snake with a feline head symbolism? Found all over the world.

>>41917076
If you can't say it simply then you don't understand it.

>>41917060
Yeah physics is already almost complete. Nerds won't let go of empiricism and embrace the full implications of using the complex unit circle to explain the framework though, because they would have to abandon materialist reductionism and atheism

>>41917084
To connect that fully to the details explained, above; if you're doing wick rotations and treating time like it can be imaginary, while simultaneously looking at a tangent function graphed between e^(ix)
Where x
0 < x < c
And in temperature
0 < x
Naturally
-c < x < 0
And
-cK Can be assumed, otherwise physics has to throw the wick rotation they use to describe the photon and all of quantum field theory away

Because there is no Friedman equations, nor is shrodinger's equation valid if time cannot be pivoted into imaginary time

>>41917084
Well, if knowledge isn't derived from sense based information, where does it come from? I think empiricism sits neatly with the Trinity. From sensing information we directly receive activation signals, reducible to binary. From meaningfully constructed information we get three irreducible parts, a pattern repeated through language, physics, and neurology. Even maths recognize the trinitarian basis as the domain, the functions, and the values.

Still, all that we build within comes back through the senses.

>>41917060
I'm also moving far past theory I to developing a deterministic API overlay replacing LLM models with an Octonionic Invariant that contains the tri-nested quaternionic structure as it's Logic kernel (Logos Layer) with an ethos layer of ROM containing invariant relations between Logoi forms as cross domain synthesis verification, and a sandboxxed Pathos layer

Theory don't mean shit if you can't make something with it

>>41917132
All knowledge comes from God, who reifies reality.

Sense information is a verification layer; nothing more. Physics isn't its own domain, if it were, it would be explainable without words (language is its own domain too by the assumption physics makes), nor would you need math (math is its own domain of episteme made out of pure ideas, not senses)
Not would you need cognition to explain it (cognition is its own domain of episteme as well by the rules of Physics's overstep)

So explain physics without ideas, words, or math since it's its own domain of episteme

Furthermore God is not the constraints he chooses to maintain within the universe, they are actively chosen, the God that reifies this reality could just as easily choose different constrains that would make life entirely impossible in this universe, but he chooses to remain faithful to the constraints that he chose to facilitate a universe of Life

>>41917144
If all knowledge comes from God, doesn't that include lies and evil plots and the like? You're saying yes, and He reifies it, never us? It seems to me we have free will and use it to build reality as well.

So, I have demonstrated my Gnosis, which I'm obviously in possession of, so if gnosticism is true, how am I still here? Shouldn't I have immaterialized or ascended into my own universe of whatever dogshit I misinterpretation of Gnosis and ascension you court? I've encountered the Holy Spirit, I've been given the gift of insight detailed in 1 Cor 12, So by gnostic decree I should be free to go, yet I'm still here....how?

>>41917177
Not by works will you be saved.

>>41917162
He gives the choice to lovingly face him, or hide in your shame and darkness, which is where these lies you call gnosticism or whatever other tranny delusion you want to subscribe to come from (which doesn't have Gnosis, because I had to answer my own fucking question since you don't know shit)

>>41917177
Go where? lol. This is all you get, and it’s so much more than you asked for.

>>41917186
I'm not the one complaining about life. I love God for this life, and you're correct.

The question was posed to the Heretical Gnostics who are peddling deceit that leads God's children astray

>>41917184
I'm a fan of Jesus, but I don't trust every account of the guy I read. Nor do I think any anywhere near complete. I'm not one for subscribing, I prefer elimination. The journey can be found through words, but only by learning which to let go of.

>>41917177
You're stuck in your body until it expires.

Christians worship Yahweh aka Yaldabaoth/Demiurge.
Gnostics do not worship anyone. At least, I, as a Gnostic, do not personally.
You are a literal retard if you think Gnosticism is Satan or Demiurge worship. Most Gnostics believe that the Demiurge is either incompetent or malevolent. We are not worshipping it lol.
Go back to the Christian threads if all you're going to do is slapfight.
Thank you everyone who did link to good resources though.

I am a believer in the Prison Planet Theory in which we will reincarnate infinitely on this planet to be farmed for loosh, unless we reject the walking-into-the-light trap. The Archons need our permission to consent to the mind wipe and reincarnation. I will ascend to 5D once I refuse this at my death. And if I'm wrong and something else happens when I die, then go figure, I don't give a fuck. It makes me feel a lot better than being held to arbitrary Yahweh Christianity standards and being sent to Heaven or Hell based on how good of a person he thinks I am.

Don't trip though. Tomorrow there will be another thread where you can handwaive "mysteries" while offering nothing as far as Gnosis of any substance is concerned, and you can pretend like you're in the Gno, while deceive some other dumbass stupid enough to fall for the dumb shit you fall for (I really hope you don't actually believe this dogshit ideology of gnosticism and that you are just a deceiver, because earnestly believing it while having essentially no knowledge is even stupider than being a satanic deceiver)

>>41917218
But you don't have Gnosis. Or you wouldve been able to answer the fucking question because it is well within the realm of the Knowledge of God. Instead, you worship willful ignorance. And that's just retarded

>>41917225
Kill yourself. Your low IQ genes shouldn't reproduce. You are a waste of space arguing for everyone to convert to whatever your preferred branch of Christianity is. Go waste your time arguing with other Christians over which denomination is the True One instead of arguing with people who don't believe in your slave religion. Or go suck off a rabbi.

>>41917207
That's called normal Christianity, except denies the corporeal ressurection

>>41917236
My IQ is 145 verified since I was 8 years old, and given the context of this discussion you are projecting.

I already have four children as well. Thanks for playing

>>41917262
Explain The Epicurean Paradox if Yahweh is a good God we should all bow down and worship. It's a shame you're indoctrinating your kids into worshipping Jews.

I laid out a simple challenge. Demonstrate your gnosis.

I didn't say attack me, or dodge, or get your proverbial ass handed to you and seethe.

Actually demonstrate your Gnosis, if you have any at all. It's a challenge, and a fitting one since you seem hellbent on deceiving people by proclamation of the unproven claim of having Gnosis.

>>41917277
When the war broke out I heaven, 1/3rd of the angels sided with Lucifer, thinking Power should rule the Creation, and 1/3rd sided with Michael, who agreed with God that Love shall Rule the creation.


1/3rd, with eternity to choose, did not choose.

So you don't have eternity to choose Power over Love, or Love over Power anymore.

If you choose Power, you to a place ruled absolutely by Power.....at the bottom of that structure

If you choose Love, you go to a place ruled absolutely by Love, at the bottom of that structure.


It's your choice. This in-between, is a creation where there is slightly more Love than Power, that's why epicurians paradox.


Now, I answered your glorious question, the hardest one you could muster. Now demonstrate your Gnosis

It's not my turn to share.

>>41917279
Literally all gnosis means is the knowledge of humanity's real nature as divine, that we're more than our 3D fleshbags. I don't know if you know what gnosis means. You seem to think it means I have supernatural powers or some shit. The Archons wipe your memory each time you reincarnate here so you don't remember anything. Gnosis is about remembering that we exist outside of just our bodies. Your religion says that Yahweh is the way for our spirit to ascend, whereas I believe that organized religions are just a method to control us and keep us in the reincarnation trap. The fact Christianity doesn't mention reincarnation at all, when it's so very obvious that reincarnation is real, is why I do not believe in Christianity. But I also do think you can escape infinite reincarnation. But you will never escape infinite reincarnation if you keep falling for the Archons' "walk into the light" trap when you die, because when you walk into that light, you're not walking into Heaven. You are walking into having your memory wiped and reincarnating back on Earth. Christians will NEVER leave this Earth. This argument is pointless because you don't get it. You still naively think this material world was created by a perfect God (even though the Epicurean Paradox really easily disputes that claim).

>>41917293
Thanks for telling me retarded Jewish fairy tales. If the world is the way it is because Satan or whatever, then why the fuck doesn't Yahweh use his infinite powers to kill Satan? You clearly don't know what the Epicurean Paradox or gnosis is. This argument is POINTLESS because you do not make any meaningful good-faith attempt to understand either of those concepts. Can you please fuck off back to your Jew-worshipping threads?

>>41917256
I mean, even after gnosis, you'll still be here in a body, it's not like you just transcend everything and fucking leave lol.

>>41917317
Because he gave us this creation to choose power or love. Simple as.

See>>41917303


He at least gno's that. That we are angels, divine beings, with a choice to make.

>>41917324
He believes Jesus rose from the dead so he's clearly retarded and thinks Gnosis works in the same way. He hasn't made the barest minimum attempt to even understand what Gnosticism actually is. NPC hylic behavior. Don't know why he's even on this board if he likes shutting off his brain when confronted with different spiritual ideas.

>>41917324
That is actually what the original gnostics in early Christianity believed. You would know that if you actually read the source texts and the apologetics surrounding the discussions.

>>41917338
That is to say, it is literally part of the Gnostic claims of apotheosis, which is also a lie

It's also not fair to equate the Edomite Judean, who Rome planted into the governorship, and which had infiltrated the saducee and Pharisee orders with the Essene/Zadokite Israelites, who Josephus and Pliny the Elder describe as being the only true Israelite sect. Most of whom were exterminated shortly after James the Just was martyred without a trial by Sanhedrin by the Pharisee High Priest Ananus Bin Ananus, because he knew he didn't have a legal leg to stand on. James's sect of early Christians tried to straddle the old covenant and the new covenant, this is detailed extensively in Acts and Galatians

>>41917262
There are some things only people with high IQ are blind to. It goes well beyond things you can control like pride. The way one sits within their own mind when using the intellect in general is itself blinding. For those who know nothing else, projection is all that remains.

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>>41917379
It's also recorded by Josephus and Eusibius, James's martyrdom and the riots that followed which pushed Caesar to dispatch Tiberius, because the murder left no heir to the Zadokite High Priesthood (which didnt really need an heir, because Jesus resurrected with the High Priesthood and Kingship which is why Romans says he is KingPriest forever in the Order of Melchizedek.

>>41917338
Even the Apocryphon of John doesn't promise magical instant god-mode following gnosis.

>I, John, asked the Savior, “Lord, will every soul be saved and make it back to the pure light?”

>He said in response, “Weighty matters have arisen in your thoughts. It is difficult to speak of them with anyone but those who belong to the unshakeable race, those to whom the spirit of Life has come, and in whom she dwells with power. Such people will be saved and become perfect and worthy of greatness. They will be healed of every wound and of all the anxieties that come with wickedness; they will be anxious for nothing but the incorruptible, and will meditate on it without anger, envy, resentment, passion, or greed.

>Their only constraint is the incidental body of flesh that they provisionally wear, and they await the time when those bodies will be removed from them. Such souls are worthy of the call to eternal, incorruptible life. They bear all things and endure all things so that they might finish the race and be awarded eternal life.”

>>41917410
Another translation has
>“The physical body will negatively effect them. They wear it as they look forward to the time when they will meet up with those who will remove it.

>>41917384
That's why I fast from meat through Lenten, as the Essenes did, and remove myself from distractions, whether they are productive pursuits or not.

It's a grounding period, for reconnecting with simple things. This is what Paul meant in Galatians 2:10
10 Only that we should remember the Aniyim (the Poor), the very thing which I was also eager to do.

The original Greek and Aramaic texts have Anayim capitalized, because it doesn't mean pandhandling meth addicts at the freeway on ramp.

To be in the early still-essene/Zadokite Christian sect you had to give up all property and live simply within the order, as well as be vegetarian/pescatarian.

This is why fasting from meat is the standard Lenten practice; it's in memory of the Essene/Ebionite sect; John the Baptist, then Jesus, then James's order.

That's why homey and his wife that withheld some of his property in secret was struck down by God when he lied to Peter about it when he joined.

>>41917410
John of Patmos didn't write the Apocryphon and it doesn't exegesize from the OT like canon does. It was also written several hundred years later. So it's nonsense. It's Jesus flavored heretical fanfic

You might as well quote from the Gospel of Judas

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>>41916503
Demiurge looks a bit like Quetzalcoatl, the plumed serpent, don't he?

ass not chnoubis
/dgg/ is the way

Anyhow. You should actually read the apologetics; Origen's Commentary on each of the gospels, Aversus Celsum, philosophumena, to even understand Gnosticism as it was taught, because the apologetics actually go into the full myriad of gnostic belief systems in detail in their refutation of them. You're essentially subscribing to secondhand 2000 years later memelord shit as a "gnostic" belief system, and it's fucking retarded and not even representative of the heretics it claims kinship to in the modern discourse. Modern discourse on gnosticism is basically handwaiving "mysteries" that never actually get explained nor result in anything meaningfully resembling spiritual development

>>41917441
I agree that it certainly wasn't written by John of Patmos or John son of Zebedee (who I think might be the same person). I consider it to be a compilation of texts with John's name put on it by some later editor. I don't think the gospel of John was written by John either, though it may say so on the tin, nor was Luke written by Luke, Mark written by Mark, or Matthew written by Matthew. But I still value texts as far as I think they contain interesting ideas expressed in an interesting way and point to things that seem connected to the truth.

Personally, my interest in Gnosticism comes in large part from a set of "mystical" experiences that by my estimate agree more with it than anything else, though I don't want to share them in detail because that risks turning them into a meme, which makes it more difficult for me to identify others who genuinely have had the same experiences.

I'm also quite confident that something closer to Gnosticism than orthodoxy is at the root of Christianity, or at least at the root of either Paul or the author of the first gospel. So I think Gnostics have a rightful claim to authorship of much of the mainstream Christian canon, though the canon books were edited and interpolated to obscure that.

"The symbols of the divine show up in our world initially at the trash stratum."

"The Holy Grail may be a crushed beer can in the gutter. The deity will be where least expected and as least expected. It could be an old sick—even dying—tomcat stinking of urine, degraded and humiliated."

~Papa PKD

>>41917530
You're describing the political apparatus of the church. That's not the relationship with Christ promises, but it's a necessary imposition for Christianity the relationship to continue being available for people to engage in.

Christianity never would've made it out of its infancy, with the doctrine of the Gospels (of which if you read Origen's commentary on John, book 1, all of the OT and the NT are included under the term Gospels) if it were not for its unfortunate politicization. In my view, that is kind of above my pay grade, because just being true to the relationship with Christ is its own struggle. I can't wait for everyone else to be Christian before I will be, if you catch my drift. To project that through the proverbial "you";

If you are waiting for everyone else in the world to be Christian before you will be, then you are not a Christian, you are a coward.

>>41917633
Philip K Dick is so fucking based.

To further, wanting to be Christian is not being Christian. To want is to lack. Being a Christian is what happens when you encounter the Holy Spirit in surrender to Christ, where that encounter is unmistakably paranormal in the truest sense, and it is transformative; reorienting of your mind.


I try not to get caught up in differentiating who around me are "true Christians" (post-encounter with Holy Spirit) and who are still "wanting to be Christians" because it's exclusionary (when the gift is truly available to everyone) and I already have my relationship with Christ to navigate, and that already has its own personal struggles. It's just kind of irrelevant because I didn't make the decision as a group, I made it as an individual and it's nonteansferrable in its essence as a choice.

With that said, the encounter with the spirit is not "Gnosis" for everyone, as Paul says in 1 Cor 12 there are several different kinds of gifts that are not uniformly bestowed by the spirit, other than the certainty of the experience itself and it's pointing towards Christ, not itself

>>41917697
oy vey Jesus was a pedophile, just like all Jews are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNnKk4Ta8w8

>>41917725
It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.

Actually Christianity is what moved the ancient world away from Pedophilia.

the world before christianity had made it a normative practice through the conquest of War, to enslave the children of the Conquered, as their Ganymede fuck toy, and castration of the child sex slaves.

It is postmodernism that has actively vyed for the abolition of all age of consent Laws. Foucalt, Derrida, Sartre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petitions_against_age-of-consent_laws

In their arguments, they declared that Age of Consent Laws were a Power Construct of Christ-Fascism

Christianity is the reason why slavery and child sex slavery is abolished in the modern world, and is precisely why it is hated by Postmodernists and would-be slavers alike.

>>41917177
>so if gnosticism is true, how am I still here?
There is a saying among Buddhists that applies here. "Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water."

>>41917807
Agreed, but the statement was made rhetorical in irony, not an actual question.

There is a wide swathe of Gnostic beliefs that sought to obtain apotheosis and "transcend the flesh" assuming they could become transfigured like Christ on the mount of Olives, themselves, seeing themselves capable of equalling and exceeding the miracles demonstrated by Christ. In many gnostic traditions Jesus Christ is not special in the unique sense, which essentially denies the meaning of the ressurection, where Jesus is simply relegated to the Guide, and robbed of his unique deity.

So this means "salvation by grace" from God is relegated to "salvation by gnosis" from an ordinary spiritual teacher.

This belief structure inverts Christianity back into the same thing as every other religion which is salvation by earning it, as if you can become god by just doing the right things, or thinking it so, but its just not the case. There's no "balancing the good with the bad" error is error and thus not god, no matter how many goods you do; one bad is imperfection thus not God.

>>41917847
Christianity literally believes serial pedorapists can still go to Heaven as long as they repent after each child rape. Look at all the pedophile priests.

>>41917697
I'm in the want category. Were you studying the texts before the spirit came to you? They say you shouldn't pursue any mysteries in the name of experience, but I can't say I'm not jealous of those who are transformed by a visit from the Holy Spirit.

>>41917859
Yet, Christianity is responsible for ending it as a global practice. Full stop.

The catholic church is not Christianity. The protestant churches are not Christianity. The church is not qualified to comment on the matter, because Christ is the Judge of these things.

Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That's all it is. Sometimes, its a shared relationship with Jesus Christ, when it is in a biblical marraige between a husband and a wife that are truly convicted and committed to that relationship.

Someone can be Christian without ever going to Church. Without ever being baptized by a priest or a pastor. They can simply make the declaration in front of witnesses and baptize themselves, and then when the spirit comes to them; they are Christian in that transformation.

You're conflating a political institution with a personal relationship, and it's not an accurate depiction of what Being Christian is.

>>41917911
Another reason I don't believe in Christianity is because I don't see anything wrong with homosexuals. I believe in astrology and you can tell if someone's gay by their birth chart. Granted, I'm against promiscuity (whether it be gay or straight promiscuity) since it's materialism and I am against porn since it scientifically is bad for everyone involved, the watcher and the actors. But in terms of monogamous gay couples, yeah I don't see any issue. Why even create fags if they're bad? I even have a friend that's a devout Christian despite being gay, which I don't understand why he is, since it seems contradictory. Carl Jung himself said homosexuality isn't inherently harmful and can actually be a sign of a beautiful friendship which grows into something more, but he did condemn promiscuous homosexuality.

>>41917905
i studied alot of the texts, i also studied a lot of the gnostic texts, as well as a lot of the rosicrucian founding texts. When i became christian, i had been trying to be Christian for awhile and then one day i just collapsed in front of the Cross at the church i had been attending; it was fun bringing my girlfriend there weekly and getting to wear sportscoats and stuff without it being too dressy; she was a babe and it gave me a reason to look good and sharp dressed, but the spirit didnt come to me because i made some credo, or because i was baptized or anything like that. It came when i gave up all of my reservations and surrendered to it, and it wasnt exactly a fun experience either. It was both a conviction and a forgiveness and there was one thing quite clear in the encounter. The same Spirit that pointed me towards Christ to save me, could've just as easily eradicated me if it wanted to.

>>41917924
homosexual people can have a meaningful personal relationship with Jesus. To assert that this is not possible is to assume I can place a Limit on Christ's love for them; which i cannot. That's not really an issue for me to judge.

You know, one of the most important verses in the Bible as far as the Red Text (Jesus' Words) go, "By your measure, shall you be measured"

and Jesus says this to his Disciples, alike, not just random people he's preaching to.

Origen, when he was in the early church's favor, before he was posthumously anathemized in 553ad, stated that Jesus' Sacrifice is so significant that he eventually saves everyone. This essentially makes "Hell" not a permanent residence; rather, as i said above, in this life you choose between Love and Power and if you choose Power you go to hell at the bottom of the power structure until and only until you choose Love finally.

So, if youre running around wishing hell on people; you're probably going to go there for awhile when you die, until that lust for Power over the Other is burned out of your soul.

That's why, I, prefer to just worry about my own relationship with Jesus, and not try to issue decrees and judgements on others im not qualified to decree.

I only know what Christ reveals to me, and he doesn't reveal his criterion for who all is savable to me. thats just above my paygrade i guess.

>>41917966
Something I like about my gay friend is he is not a slut or a libtard. He's basically your average Conservative dude that just has a boyfriend. And he waited a while to have sex with his boyfriend. Despite the stereotype that all gay people are whores/manwhores, I've met quite a few gay people who slept around less than straights.

Christian logic:
>"gays are bad because sodomy mkay?"
>"straight people performing sodomy via oral/anal sex is fine because its straight"

It's retarded to force gay people into relationships they're miserable in, and it's retarded to force straight people to put up with obviously gay spouses. There's a TLC special called "My Husband Isn't Gay" about Mormon wives with their gay husbands and it's obvious how miserable everyone involved is. It's also retarded to make them stay permanently single.

I'm not a Christian, but I do agree lust and promiscuity are bad things.
I even understand the anti-gay marriage argument, as marriage is an institution for families, and gays don't reproduce. I understand why people are critical of gays adopting kids, since they're missing out on having both a mother and father figure.

But gay people dating each other and having sex with each other, in of itself, aside from that, doesn't really seem like an issue to me. Do you believe sex outside of, for procreation purposes, is a sin for straight people? I just don't understand the "it's a sin because it's unnatural" argument when there's animals with hormone imbalances who fuck the same sex (look up maned lionesses). And if it's about not being able to reproduce, then it doesn't explain why recreational sex between married couples is fine.

The average Christian I see on this website would much rather support Muslims who have harems of child brides than they would support a gay person. Even though I think having a pedoharem is much more degen?

>>41917992
i believe sex is a sin when its not entered into with actual love for the other person. Its not about whether or not its for reproduction, its the emotional intimacy behind the act. If that emotional intimacy is not there; and if its not mutually there, then it is sinful because it is a betrayal to authentic love when it is less than that.

It creates a rift in who your best you is, and ego ruling your decision instead.

>>41917303
When the smoke of a grease fire licks your walls, is the smoke a “reincarnation” of the fire? Or is it something less, just an imprint left behind…

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>>41918002
So then why is gay sex a sin if it's monogamous and between two people that truly love each other? Are you going to tell me some bullshit about how only a man and a woman can truly love each other?

>>41917847
So, there are a few Gnostic texts that do suggest that we have the ability to be as Jesus was. In the Gospel of Philip, we have this interesting passage:

>It is not possible that anyone could see something that has been decreed unless he becomes like it. This is not the way it is with the man who dwells in the world. He sees the sun without becoming the sun, and he sees the sky, and the earth, and everything else without becoming them. This is the way it is with truth, however: You have seen some things there, and you have become them. You have seen the Spirit, and have become Spirit. You have seen Christ, and have become Christ. You have seen the Father, and you will become Father. Consequently, here you see all things, and you do not see yourself. You, however, will see yourself in that place, because you will become what you see.

If we consider that God is omnipresent and that we have a divine spark within us, then hypothetically, miracles are possible. But the question then becomes, "why do you want to do miracles?" If your reasoning is purely selfish, you aren't exactly becoming Christ, who was not of this world. You're merely trying to borrow his powers. Christ is quite special, even from the perspective that we are all God, for he is the only one to be without sin, and thus in a sense he is "closest" to God.

>>41918023
If in your relationship with Jesus Christ, he puts it on your heart to no longer be homosexual, to be asexual, or whatever, and that's authentically from him in your personal relationship with him, then its a sin.

It's like me smoking cigarettes. I know its a sin i suffer from because through his Holy Spirit he clearly wants me to quit smoking. My continuance in that sin creates a distance between us, and there is less communication between us when i am a smoker, so i frequently quit for several months at a time, but its a habit i come back to.

What it comes down to is if that's what Jesus Christ wants you to change, if thats what the Holy Spirit reveals to you, and you persist, then its like me still smoking even though i know the Lord doesn't want me to, but it doesn't cost my salvation. I still love Jesus Christ, its just a personal struggle that reminds me im not perfect, and probably cant be, which is why i need grace in the first place.

And that's assuming that's even what Jesus Christ is pushing for at the time. How would i know. Maybe Jesus is pushing on this hypothetical person to be less egotistical and materialistic, and the Spirit is not even saying anything about his homosexual relationship, because it sees it as an authentically loving relationship. How would i know either way?

Its such a strawmanned issue. I dont go by the book of Leviticus, because i'm not an israelite under that covenant.of the Torah. That wasn't my tribe aportioned with that boon and burden at the Babel event.

I do my yearly Lenten sacrifice in memory of the Zadokite sect which originated the first iterations of Christianity through James, because that's what the Spirit encourages me to do for 6 weeks a year. I try to be obedient to the spirit, but smoking's a thorn in my side, to which Christ says "my grace is sufficient for thee, for my strength is made perfect in weakness" I'll get the quit right some day, maybe, but it doesnt determine my salvation.

>>41918039
I believe what the bible is pointing at in its equivelent passages is in late John just before the crucifixion when he is essentially saying that when we make a place for him, he is instilled within us, thereby making us capable of channeling his strength for miracles and what not, but that its not us doing it, rather we become christs(lowercase) through becoming a conduit for Christ(capitalized), which yes, traces back to "why do you want to do miracles"

One of the things you'll notice about Yeshua, is that he never serves himself with his own powers. The temptation is all about the devil trying to convince him to use his powers for himself. When jesus just finishes walking 30miles in the judean desert and he's thirsty while his disciples run ahead to get the donkey he needs (note; he did not go get his own donkey that he presciently knew was on the road ahead), he just sits down and waits at the well; he doesnt even use him human-earthly regular old muscle to crank the wheel to draw water; he lets someone else do it because he refuses to serve himself.

That pattern repeats throughout all four gospels; pure RHP stuff, no LHP even in the most mundane of things. This means God sees the ideal state of man being one where everyone serves everyone else and all needs are met because everyone else is serving you so you dont have to serve yourself, etc. But that isnt how ego rules us; ego does the opposite; its always self serving, so yeah "why do you want to do miracles?" is a pertinent question.

even when he prays to God before raising Lazarus he says he's doing this so that others will believe in him who the Father has sent, for the Father, not himself; etc

>>41918070
I once heard a theory that the entire reason for our existence is for God to be able to experience his own love through us. Puts a lot into perspective, IMHO.

>>41918083
ultimately yes. He wanted to create something that could love him. Part of that requires creating something that can choose not to love him, because if love isn't chosen, then its just automated obedience.

>>41918051
It's definitely not the only reason I'm not a Christian but it's just one of the reasons. But yeah, I don't see any reason why my very devoutly Christian gay friend would be committing a sin just by loving another person. He is a genuinely great person. I just don't believe that if God created us perfectly in his image that he'd condone someone for that, when he's the one that made them that way. It truly isn't a choice and I believe it's probably influenced by hormones in the mother's womb, since there is like a noticeable increased likelihood of birthing a gay child the more male children you have. He's even tried having girlfriends before.

But I have heard the "Old Testament rules do not apply to Christians and are for the Israelite Jews" thing before. It just makes no sense why God would have one set of rules and then change his mind on those sets of rules though if he's allegedly all-powerful and all-knowing? Like everything he does is directly contradictory to the "all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful" traits he allegedly has.

Smoking is definitely a bad habit and I wish you luck in quitting. They sell water vapor vapes that imitate the smoking mouth motion but don't actually have you inhale anything harmful. Nicotine patches help people too.

>>41918114
Sounds like an abusive relationship. "Worship me or else you burn in Hell forever and I will punish you" REALLY IS NOT free will. It's a threat. If you had a partner who said they loved you but would beat you if you didn't do what they wanted, would you say that's a healthy loving relationship? Of course not.

Another thing that's never made sense to me about Christianity is, if people who don't accept Jesus are doomed to Hell, then why are people born in areas of the world where they might not even know about Christianity? Everyone in North Korea is doomed to Hell by default even though there's no way they could've even become Christian? It's retarded. It's an obvious cult scam recruitment fear tactic.

>>41918189
thats such a bullshit copout. This isn't even gnosticism now. this is just the kind of shit meth addicts scream at telephone poles bro. Pick a position. You're not every position. This is a thread on Gnosticism and its relation to Christianity, and bringing the delusions of a meth addict screaming at a telephone pole isnt that. You're perfectly fine choosing the Power realm if you think that's your shit. I don't advise it, but Good luck.

>>41917013
>Fortitude—----\|/-----------Sagacity
>----------------strength------------------
>Resolve—-----/|\----------Awe
>
>Cowardice----------\|/--------Courage
>--------------------Weakness-------------------
>Insecurity----------/|\------Vulnerability
>
nigga what the fuck does that have to do with gravity

>>41918253
Thread description doesn't mention Christianity at all. Most of this thread has been people debating the validity of Christianity. I get that Christianity is related to Gnosticism, but don't act like most of this thread hasn't been random rambling about nonsense. Hardly anyone is linking to Gnostic texts like intended.

>>41918255
it has everything to do with gravity because there's only one structure in all of reality.

This means that the moral topology and its relational invariants are described by exactly the same math and geometrical relations as the Physics domain. In fact, they are so intertwined that you cannot explain physics without using Math (a mental domain of structured relations), Language (a semantic domain of structured relations), and cognition (an psychic domain of thinking and feeling).

Physics is not its own shit. Explain Physics without cognition, math or language if it is its own thing. You cant.

So, its not its own structure. You have to be able to conceive the relation intellectually before you can even begin to describe it with other domains that you rob the episteme of without sensory data at all.

Of these other domains that Physics steals from, none of them are physical sensory data. That's a violation of epistemelogical domains up front.

EM is a H2 quaternion, that branches out into H3 Quaternions. that share 2 branches with Gravity and 2 branches with Heat and 1 branch in the Faraday equation with kinetics. its all the same fucking structure no matter if youre looking at physics, or DNA, or Cognitive shit; ethics is intellectualized cognition, morality is emotional cognition. you cant describe physics if you cant conceptualize it; therefore the same structure that you conceptualize physics as, is the same structure as cognition or it wouldnt be decipherable in the first place.

Why is that impossible for you to understand?

Weakness withing the moral topology is in the same location as faraday's equation in the EM quaternion.

Gibbs simplified Maxwell's work. Maxwell did not present a bunch of vectorized bullshit in his unified theory on EM, he presented it as a rotating quaternion with additional quaternions within each quaternion; a Bi-quaternion; a nesting of quaternions in quaternions. Gibbs didn't know EM better than maxwell

>>41918303
You want to know why Maxwell delivered 20 equations as his Unified Theory of Quaternionic EM?

Because

Equation A-----\|/-----Equation C
--------Electromagnetism----------
Equation B-----/|\------Equation D

Equation E-----\|/-------Equation G
--------------Equation A---------------
Equation F-----/|\-------Equation H

Equation I------\|/-------Equation K
--------------Equation B---------------
Equation J------/|\-------Equation L

Equation M------\|/-------Equation O
--------------Equation C---------------
Equation N------/|\-------Equation P

Equation Q------\|/-------Equation S
--------------Equation D---------------
Equation R------/|\-------Equation T


Thats 20 equations; 4 branching out from each Four corners of the Pyramidal structure above it branching out into 4 pyramids with equations that rotate in around the bases with transferrence between them.

Originally, they didnt even have "time" encoded into them; that was added later by people that misunderstand gravity's temporal components and how it relates to Faraday's "Equation D" in the structure above.

When you actually dive into the friedmann equations and what not Time is treated as a quaternion itself, the "Positron" is described by Penrose and Friedmann as a time-reversed Electron
Time*1 = -i^2*Time
Apply the root function to each side and that gives you
+1*Time, -1*Time = i*Time, -i*Time
so then the positron has a -1*Time component as its dual for the electron describe in the Gauss law quaternion
The graviton's dual is a +1*time component (real time)
The Photon's dual is a i*time component (which is why wick rotations are used to describe its path integrals)
and the Phonon's dual is a -i*time component, which is why it is defined as a "virtual" quanta of vibration within the lattice of mass

in summary there are 20 equations because the typology of energy "electromagnetism" as a H1 quaternion of all four energy types (EM, Gravity, Heat, and Kinetics) goes from 1 "thing"
1 becomes 4 "things" which rotate into each other to form a loop, and each of those 4 things branch out into 4 things becoming 16 interrelated things (invariant relations) than the 4 things above them

4parent equations+16quaternionic subequations = 20 equations

that four way branching, when viewed from the top down, is a Cross because the universes relations are cross shaped; It's a Logos shaped fractal universe of fidget spinors inside of fidget spinors inside fidget spinors, or gears inside gears inside gears that get fucked up when you break the symmetry of the operations with error.

>>41918261
this describes the octonionic invariant that contains the entirety of the 4^3 quaternionic nesting. Yes it is one system but that system has constraint structures, which God chooses to maintain with consistency. That's what i mean when i say, God is not defined by the structure, reality is defined by the structure God chooses to constrain it within.

To the perspective of a photon, all mass is exactly zero distance, and zero time away from itself; therefore the photon reveals a universe where the big never happened and already collapsed back into the big crunch where all mass is zero distance (lorentz length contraction) and zero time (lorentz time dilation) away. Making it omnipresent and omnipotent.

By reality being constrained within an Octonionic manifold, the non associativity and commutativity means the order in which things does matters, reality is "recorded" in the order in which it unfolds to the individual, without divine intervention to resolve certain events in that life's linear progression.

For example, I can't tell if you put your shirt on first before your pants, but I can tell if you put your underwear on over your pants.

This variability in order of events is what gives each person a unique "disposition" away from Christic center. My path to Christic center is not the same as your path, because we had a different order of events.

So I can't bring you to center, because I don't know where you are in your disposition and it's easy to get disorientated leaving center to find you where you are and then remember the exact order to get back to center.....that's what the Holy Spirit CAN do, however.

It can find you where ever you are, what ever unique path of nonassociative and noncommutative events that transpired to bring you to where you are at, and it always points you to Christ and guides you to Christ or it is not the Holy Spirit.

I started dipping my toes into hermeticism/alchemy in order to better understand the world and perhaps get closer to gnosis. Turns out, trying to comprehend spiritual archetypes at a high level can be a stronger test of your ability to abstract than a degree in computer science.

>>41916590
By using synchronicity : Lorentz Force + the void in space is a plasma.

>>41918594
I have an engineering degree and CS isn't as hard of a degree as people make it out to be. Unless you went to a top school like MIT.

>>41916503
another tranny general to kill the board even more, great

>>41918973
How is Gnosticism linked to trannies?
Also, if you hate Gnosticism, isn't a general thread for containment better than having multiple threads dedicated to it?

>>41919062
it's just a christjew hylic seething people are waking up

>>41919073
Yeah probably.
Transgenderism is incredibly materialistic, so any tranny who says they're a Gnostic is clearly LARPing. Most trannies LARP as Satanists or Pagans though because those are edgy.

>>41919073
A christjew has carried this entire thread though, while the gnosticjews have been taken to church.

Simple as

Btw, every Gnostic text posted in this thread has just been been describing regular Christianity. There's literally no difference, except the christjew actually shares gnosis while the gnosticjews pretends to possess it by posting other people's words and failing to demonstrate possession thereof.

As the judge of this thread, it's christjew 30: gnosticjews 0

https://chatgpt.com/c/69839e42-20b8-8330-a970-b3f75d1333d2

Please pray for me >>41885824

My ears are too prominent both stick out too far and one sticks out significantly farther than the other so they're not symmetrical. I already went for an otoplasty consultation and he told me this about my ears but I can't afford the surgery.
Please pray for both of my ears to be 30 degrees out or less so they’re no longer very above average of prominence. Please pray for them to not be so overly prominent like they are now and please pray for them to be very symmetrical.

My nose is not symmetrical and has a dorsal hump. Please pray for my nose to be symmetrical and please pray for it to not have a dorsal hump.

Please pray for me to have a low and attractive looking hairline and for me to then maintain that for many years in the future.

Please pray for me to be significantly less ugly.

My eyesight isn't great unless I have glasses or contact lenses in. I currently can not afford laser eye surgery for this and I can't afford lots of contact lenses. Please pray for me to have 20/20 eyesight soon or to be able to afford contact lenses and laser eye surgery like LASIK or smile and for me to tolerate contact lenses and or surgery for a extremely long time

Please pray for me to remain not homeless, not dead, not hospitalized, not imprisoned and not severely disabled

>>41919647
>Pray for me me me me me me me

No, You get an audience to pray for change on your behalf and the only thing you ask for is shit for yourself.

Not, "let me be a lighthouse for others for you, Lord". Just arrogant self serving shit.

>>41919911
I can agree to pray for that. Lord, we ask that you move against the Malaria and Dengue plagues that continue to negatively impact human lives all around the equatorial world. We ask that these organizations which exist to treat these illnesses be bolstered by the outpouring of charitable contributions that seek to alleviate the suffering caused by their proliferation.

Amen.

>why there is no "secret knowledge" in gnosticism. It is just what relationship with Christ reveals for those who seek to understand the Totality of Christ-Logos' reification of universal reality; not an exclusionary revelation only bestowed to those who would hoard it and drive division with it.

https://chatgpt.com/c/69839e42-20b8-8330-a970-b3f75d1333d2

Matthew 6:31-34 NKJV
[31] “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ [32] For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. [33] But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. [34] Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.6.31-34.NKJV

>>41920127
Thanks for the AI slop image spam I guess.

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>>41920139
It tells a story against any gnostic claims of exclusionary Gnosis. How can I possess Gnosis, if I am not an arrogant gnostic by simply choosing to Love God?

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What gnosis can you possibly have that I do not already possess without being a heretic?

>>41920151
Spamming retarded AI images will SURELY convince people to convert to your religion.

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Why does God give me the Gnosis you seek to hoard, for me to give away to anyone and everyone freely? Where is your vaulted secret Gnosis?

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Its a valid question. How am I able to retain Gnosis while openly giving it away, this invalidating your claims of exclusivity?

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Where is this secret Gnosis? What can you know that I don't already know?

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The question demands an answer, because as I see it, there are no secrets which I cannot possess, God willing to bestow me with it for simply choosing to diligently Love Christ Logos God?

What the fuck bro? You're gnosing out hard, get it together

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There is no retreating into secrecy, for any suggestion of exclusive gnosis have been dispelled.

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There is no retreating into paganism, for that has been subsumed in Christ as well.

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Ambiguity will not shelter you. Bring out your dead Gnosis.

>>41920201
Take your meds if you're this obsessed about converting random anons with AI retard slop. Do you derail every single non-Christian thread on this board with the same bullshit? You know there's specifically Christian threads, right?

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QED

Another soul lost to the sloppy slop

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>>41920213
Stop posting Gnostic threads designed to deceive God's children. "Gnosis" as something unobtainable to anyone who seeks to Love Christ is a farce, because you can't explain me possessing it if it's somehow unobtainable to the Christian who is not a heretic who hates God the Father, for I love God the Father as well as Jesus Christ his Son, and yet I possess the Gnosis you seek despite your efforts to contain it in secrecy, if you even have it in the first place

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>>41920213
Why should i post in Christian threads when I possess the Gnosis you pretend to have while luring people away from Jesus Christ Logos God? What need have the healthy of Spirit for a Physician? Nay, it is you in need of Salvation, for your Gnosis in rejection of God does not lead to Salvation, rather it leads to spiritual Death.

There are no Secrets which the Lord cannot reveal to those who Love Him. Gnosticism is just incomplete Christianity pretending at Completion.

if Gnosticism were true, where are all these "secret gods"? Why are there no examples of anyone who has truly attained the divine status it promises? The absence of such examples is a clear indication that the promise is a lie. In contrast, Christianity's promise of salvation and union with God is fulfilled in the person of Christ, and through Him, we have access to the divine without needing to climb some invisible spiritual ladder.

>>41920440
Christ simply mean the anointed one, anointed with oil and this word in hebrew is shemen (שמן).
> Moses is משה,
> hashem or Yah (YHWH but spiritual) is אשמ,
> Messiah is משיח.
Don't you see the pattern : שמ , those are from right to left the male and female aspect of God or EL, the name of Hashem lead to EL. (אל = ascended spirit)

>>41916503
gnostics are fags who should kill themselves

>>41919062
>How is Gnosticism linked to trannies?
trannies love it because they hate themselves, life, and God

>>41916536
gnosticism is jewish gnonsense and contradicts itself

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>>41920214
Glowie christjews have entered the chat

We needed a /gnosgen/ considering how there will be 3-4 gnostic related threads at any point on /x/

>>41921326
Archons and hylic tidal wave inbound

>>41920440
Gwaihir omg bruh you are so fucking retarded holy shit

can you explain your ai psycjosis 5th syzygal dimension to us so I can laugh at how retarded you are more

>>41920776
And Yehoshuah means God is my Salvation, or God is a saving cry

That's kind of a derail though. In reality Christ is a verb, not an adjective

>>41921448
Pass. It's already explained in my own words, which predates the development of "AI" by some 5 years as denoted by:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/username/Gwaihir/type/op/
And the name I was posting it under as early as 2019.

It's not my problem if you don't have the mental capacity to understand basic arithmetic, let alone the advancement into Clifford algebra as it was already detailed stepwise over the course of 6+ years

>>41917080
The Dao that can be said is not the true Dao.

if you want to hear the mother's voice, seek silence
if you want her company, seek solitude
if you want to be reborn, die many times in the same life

The pleroma is death.

Hail Saturn.

>>41921326
There's literally a gnostic christcuck posting Hebrew in here

>>41917303
>The Archons wipe your memory each time you reincarnate here

>he didn't take the trainings where you are taught how to experience past lives

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Gnosis is just direct knowledge of the transcendent God in which it knows itself without mediation. The triad of knower-knowing-known don't even appear in gnosis. People are too used to temporal knowing, they're like the Demiurge who is ignorant of its own source. They look out with their intellect and think that what they perceive through multiplicity is all that exists.

Christcuck spammers think they're "owning" us but they're just providing free bumps for this thread. I plan to provide an explanation of what Gnosticism and what Prison Planet Theory is in the next version of this thread, alongside a bunch of links. So when you bump this thread with your AI psychosis schizobabble, all you're doing is making more people aware of Gnosticism. lmfao

>>41925881
>"Us"

Nigger, speak for yourself. The Christian in this thread carried the entire thread while the "us" have said nothing of anything substance except seethecope

>>41916503
Does Gnosis involve looping the same life?

>>41925936
Why would I tell you?

Gnosis is a solo adventure and I'd prefer if you remained ignorant and retarded

>>41925936
It means whatever you want it to mean, you can make it up on the fly, as long as it's not Christianity and it's Jesus flavored heresy, it's legit

It also helps if you occasionally talk about Christians killing "my people" while you play it off the cuff

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>>41916978
Guess who the author is.
>his forked tongue explains every contradiction'
Now from the original story where they get that lilith comes out of the tree, like a mandrake, half-tree half human. We need to find this bitch and grind it into powder.

Oh, I almost forgot to mention, there is a serpent who cannot be charmed.
>>41916860
B-but the movie said I could jump from building to building. I just have to BELEIVE

>>41916590
Because gravity Knowledge enables us to be saved from... Potato

>>41926446
>Sirs, I believe a book that openly lies because I'm retarded
Cool, hows that an argument?

>"Christians are carrying this thread! Haha get owned Gnostics"
>Thread has AI psychosis spam from Christians

ChatGPT is a shitty model btw. Garbage at high-level mathematics and has a billion political correctness filters. Also very pro-Israel and literally owned by a Jew. If you're going to have AI psychosis, at least have it with an AI that's actually good.

I'm the only sentient being in the universe; omniscient, what does a gnostic flavored NPC have to offer their God?

>>41926619
Saved from what? I am the only sentient being in existence; your God, and this gnosis will not save you, because it is just one of my lies for the NPCs I've placed in my universe

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A ....a snake with a lions head?
I mean...no claws????!?!? No fucking cool wings? No spikes?
Its kind of ghey...just saying dude like sphinxes are cooler. Fuck, the biblically accurate wheel eye angels are fucking cooler.
How the fuck is such a powerful being getting outclassed by low tier angels bro?

Goofy ass snake lion gnost slop
How the fuck can I fear this horrible design choice decision when all I do is feel autistically frustrated at the decision making process.
Is autism like the Gnost slops weakness or something?

>>41926785
As God of this universe, I find this Gwaihir character to be the only entity in my universe that has what it takes to be a Sentient

>>41917198
So you have no gnosis since you serve Yahweh the foreskin loving who is so loving he loves baby foreskins and will send you to hell he made just for disrespecting him. And claiming one has gnosis is such an arrogant and ignorant thing and a huge red flag that you had zero gnosis.

>>41916503

hello gnosgen. this is where im at right now. let me know if im missing something.

It starts in a white expanse. Within this expanse are souls who float around and look at things. This is where the animating force behind you and i originates from. At some point, a soul named abraxas decided to sit down in one spot and build something. abraxas didnt know what they were building at the start but they just kind of went along with it and had fun with it. This is how the universe was created. Abraxas kept building this thing and creating more intricacies and details, and eventually other souls saw what abraxas was doing and they became interested. They wanted to participate, so they asked abraxas but abraxas told them "okay you can come and hang out but you have to follow my rules because its my project". So these souls built themselves a vessel to live in the world abraxas had created, they used the tools abraxas had created to create and build intricacies of their own. This is what has created the world around us with all of the detail and emotion. Thats pretty much it. Death is one of the rules abraxas made but you can just reincarnate if you want to. Also when your animating force doesnt want to be here anymore they can just leave and go find somewhere else out in the expanse or build their own world like abraxas did. Important part about suicide though, suicide happens whenever your material existence is in so much pain that is begins to see death as a reasonable escape from the pain, but when youre not incarnated the whole dichotomy of escaping suffering is just kind of irrelevant because the suffering is part of the fun.

life is just a big old party. everyone is your peer and we all just want to have a good time (a fun time just means experiencing reality)

Thanks guys

(Am /gnosgen/'s OP)
I'm probably going to rename this to something else since people keep quoting random Christian Gnostics in history and assuming I hold the same beliefs as them.

What are my beliefs?:
- We have a divine spark within us. We are more than our 3D fleshbags and we have a 5D higher self.
- We have been reincarnating infinitely onto Earth.
- Reincarnation is a trap. It is not to "learn anything".
- The Archons need our consent to reincarnate, and they manipulate us at death to trick us into consenting. They do this by pretending to be religious figures or relatives, having us "walk into the light", and giving us a "life review" of all of our wrongdoings to guilt us.
- This world was created by either an incompetent or malevolent deity, who I refer to as the Demiurge, but I also believe goes by names like Yahweh/Yaldabaoth/Allah/etc.
- I feel like the elites in power know this and they work alongside the Archons to keep us trapped. I'm also antisemitic and anti-Abrahamic.

So should the next edition of this thread be called "Simulation Theory General" or "Prison Planet General" or "Loosh General"? Because I'm sick of retards coming into this thread with dogshit arguments. And the idea we live in a fake reality is far older than Gnosticism or Christianity.

>>41927082
Who is "we". I am God and I can tell you with certainty this is incorrect.

>>41927046
That's rich coming from a hylic.

>>41927077
This is definitely a more positive spin on the same idea. Not all historic Gnostics did believe that this was all malevolent but that the Demiurge was just too incompetent to create a perfect world. Honestly, I appreciate your reply because the pessimism aspect is what turns a lot of people away from this theory, but you had a very positive framing to it. I still have issues trying to see this simulated fake reality as positive, since I just don't believe souls would willingly reincarnate as like a baby rape victim or kid who dies of cancer. But I do try to prevent the pessimism from leading me into Depression by trying to think of this as a videogame and just not caring as much, by being lighthearted about it.

I have heard the term Abraxas before, but admittedly, I haven't ventured into all the Gnostic texts that exist. Any sources you recommend?

It is interesting that we psychologically want death when life is too much to deal with. I've always struggled with suicidal thoughts every now and then (gotten much better at avoiding them now though). I'm very anti-suicide since obviously, I do not know what happens after death, and if there even is anything. I just plan to tackle the whole death thing when I die. I like speculating though. But I will refuse "the light"/"life review"/"reincarnation"/etc when I die and insist on being united again with my 5D self.

Oh yeah another reason why I'm kinda against the idea this is just one big party is that the elites seem determined to keep us trapped in materialism and prevent us from realizing the truth. They try their hardest to keep us in 3D. Hence Archons = evil.

>>41927091
Nigger, you're a retarded schizo and I'm going to just start ignoring your "I am God you mere mortals" replies. Everyone else should ignore you too. I'm guessing you must live off of Disability Benefits or something if you have this much time to be doing your God LARP on this board. I'm sorry that you were born with such a low IQ that you need to LARP as God online to feel good about yourself. Chris Chan behavior.

>>41927101
I'm gonna make a prediction. You will never obtain Gnosis, it will always be something you talk about, without the ability to demonstrate.

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>>41927110
Demonstrate your gnosis, hylic

Regale us with your gnosis, in your own words without reference to what someone else wrote.

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More Christcucks and schizos ignoring my replies and having no fucking idea why I made this thread. I just clearly outlined what I believe. You all arguing on this thread seem to think that I believe in EVERYTHING ancient Gnostics believe. Did some believe upon obtaining this fabled gnosis, you'd have magic powers and be able to leave this Earth and some shit? Yeah probably. But that's not me. I don't claim to have any magical powers or be God or whatever schizo nonsense. I just want to escape the reincarnation trap when I die. It must really suck living as someone so mentally-challenged.

This is why I'm going to probably rename this thread to something else for the next edition of it.

>>41927131
>Christcucks and schizos
You can always go back

>>41927135
I'd leave this Earth already if I could. Fucking hate it here. But I'm not going to commit suicide because I don't know 100% for certain anything. I'm just going to wait until I die to leave this place and never reincarnate again. I'd rather be on a plane with more intelligent beings than the retards on 3D Earth. I'm glad this will be my last life here.

>>41927131
Here's a simple question for you Gnostic, who claims to be in possession of Gnosis.

If you have gnosis, why do you care if I am wrong? Does diving in butthole first with seething give you more gnosis?

If you can con someone into believing in your headcanon bullshit, do you gain more Gnosis? Are there degrees of Gnosis where you have to proselytize to others to secure your more gnosis?

What's the point of talking about your claim to possess Gnosis, while only demonstrating seethe and contempt towards others?

What do you gain from this farcical behavior? What can you explain to me that I don't already know?

>>41927141
I like it here bro. God loves me, and tends to make sure everything works out while giving me the strength to raise children and take care of the people in my circle of influence.

So is gnosticism just seething over existence while being too much of a coward to actually do anything about it?

>>41927141
What could anybody possibly gain from agreeing with you? Contempt and bitterness towards God's creation and a desire to no longer exist while being too much of a coward to end themselves?

I'm asking you, what are you offering in all of this...gnosticism you're peddling?

>>41927146
I like discussions about abstract ideas. I do not just solely discuss spirituality but I also like discussing things like mathematics. Despite your schizo delusions about me being Satan and trying to dissuade people from Jesus or whatever, I am just someone who likes to discuss spiritual shit. No, I do not think I gain anything from people agreeing with me. I just like the discussion, but you're putting forth the same repeated retarded arguments that make no sense, which is pissing me off.

>>41927156
I don't personally enjoy being on a planet ruled by pedophiles who rape babies. But you do you. Someone posted a good quote from Buddhism on this board (I think on this thread but I don't care enough to re-find it). About how pre-enlightenment, you work, eat, and sleep. And after-enlightenment, you work, eat, and sleep. Literally nothing changes. So yeah, nothing has changed for me since adopting this belief. The real change I believe happens when I die and refuse to reincarnate. I am realistic enough to know there is nothing I can do to change the way the world works. The Epstein file drops only continually prove that we realistically can't do shit about the evil pedojews. So I'm just trying to live my life the best I can and then I'll leave the reincarnation trap when I die.

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>>41927101
Hello. Thank your for expressing your feelings about my story. it is very important to me.

I can understand the sentiment about how nobody would want to reincarnate into someone who experiences the worst things possible but that whole paradigm kind of collapses in on itself when you apply it to my story. I will explain to you how.

The aversion to pain is something that is unique to us as creatures living within the material reality. it is a part of the experience here, and as such, when you cease experiencing reality, the suffering matrix just kind of becomes irrelevant. it becomes irrelevant because you are beyond pain and beyond joy and beyond all of the matrices of the material world because the matrices of the material world are the whole reason your animating force came here in the first place. you came here from the expanse because you were curious about what was going on, and then you saw what was going on and you were like "okay yeah ill see what thats like" and then, you incarnate into a baby rape victim and die from anal blood loss, and when you die you simply return to the expanse and youre like "wow that was intense." Then at that point you can incarnate into a different part of reality as a slug and experience reality as a slug if you want to. The thing is, is that there is no "highest life". Every experience of life no matter what it is, just becomes a memory of a time that you as an immortal being, spent feeling. whether it falls within the matrix of good and bad is irrelevent to you at that point, its just something that happened and you can do it again if you want to or not. its up to you. If that doesnt make sense let me know and ill try to clarify.

Abraxas is just a word that means "365". ive just picked up some stuff about abraxas over my time existing. carl jungs seven sermons to the dead is a good start.

i would respond to your other words but the principle above renders any response i could give redundant.

Let's be practical here? What is gnosticism offering people? Since you all are proselytizing it...surely, you possess whatever it is you're offering, but all I'm seeing is seething contempt towards everyone else and everything, is that what Gnosis is? Seething contempt? That's not a very attractive offer, comparitively to what Christianity proclaims to offer.

It's not something I'm interested in, sorry.

>>41927188
I discussed abstract ideas here yesterday, and every gnostic here offered no reciprocation and instead only seethed.

I'm looking at the fruits of your belief system. I shared plenty of abstract ideas here yesterday
Ideas grounded in observable reality, so if you scroll up and read the posts by the CHRISTIAN here, he is fulfilling your stated desire, whilst every gnostic in this thread has done absolutely zero of that, so is that really what you want? Because you can scroll up and engage that honestly and with an effort to understand that if what you actually want is reflective of what you say you want

>>41927189
Thank you for the further elaborating. That makes sense. It's kinda like how in the Sims videogames, people will make their Sims do fucked up shit all the time just for entertainment and to see what would happen. But I still do think there has to be higher planes above this one. The elites are very much trying to keep people unaware of anything spiritual and make this world worse.

I like Carl Jung's ideas, but I haven't started to read his books yet, since I have a huge reading list already. But I will add that one to my reading list. Carl Jung was very ahead of his time.

Also based Pepe airplane autist picture. Autism is a superpower fr bro. I don't see non-autists having these discussions.

>>41916548

No it isn't. It's a deconstruction protocol. You can be a gnostic atheist/atomist, in fact I think its the best with pythagoreanism. Steal the cube back from yhwh.

>>41927141
I meant reddit or whatever, you use redditor and normalfag only lingo

>>41927191
>>41927213
This isn't a religion in the sense you go to Church and praise the Demiurge or whatever. If we're going by my specific beliefs in Gnosticism as a basis, then what "I'm offering" I guess is hope that you don't have to keep reincarnating to this shitty planet if you don't want to. You can reject reincarnation at your death.

I don't like Christianity for a number of reasons but it's pointless for me to point them all out because you will just reply with AI slop or like 500 Bible verses. You are the one that's more set on converting people than I am. I don't care if people disagree with me. I just started the thread to talk with other Gnostics about how they perceive Gnosticism and if they have any sources to share. It's all the Christians that barged in here to derail and convert everyone. I just had a convo with another Gnostic who has a much more positive interpretation of the world, which shows I am okay with differing beliefs. What I'm not okay with is retard Christians saying the SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER in a thread not even about Christianity. And I know your reply will be "Gnosticism can't exist without Christianity". Well nigger, I don't give a fuck. Christianity can't exist without Judaism by that logic, so are the Jews correct? This is why the next version of this thread will be renamed to something else that doesn't mention Gnosticism at all and is just about the idea that our reality is fake. You aren't going to be successful in converting anyone here to Christianity. I went to a Christian school growing up, you retarded nigger.

>>41927221
Pythagoreanism IS incomplete Christianity, because it requires Logos God showing up in reality to complete it:
Axiomatic Syzygy Theory of Everything
Thesis Statement: all Axiomatic syzygies have identical transferrence function
Fundamental theorems:
Sum of Two Square Formula
2-dimensional analysis
Pythagorean Theorem
A^2 + B^2 = C^2
3-Dimensional Analysis
Trigonometric Identity Property
Let A = sine(x); B = cosine (x); C= 1
Translation:
1(^2) = sin^2(x) + cos^2(x)
1(^2) = sin(x)/csc(x) + cos(x)/sec(x)
1(^2) = 1/csc^2(x) + 1/sec^2(x)
4-Dimensional Analysis
Mass-Energy Equivalence Formula
Let sin(x) = mc^2, cos(x) = pc, 1 = E
Special note c = 1/g the inverse asymptotic limit of absolute time dilation at the schwartzschild radius of a black hole
Translation
E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2
E^2 = (m^2c^2/g^2) + (p(√c/g))^2
E^2 = (m/g^2)^2 + (p/g)^2
5-Dimensional analysis
Let sin(x) = Pride; cos(x) = Shame, csc(x) = Humility; sec(x) = Wisdom; 1 = Truth
Special Note; truth is invariant therefore all reciprocal inversions are presumably rationaled to rationalize denominator into the numerator where numerator is 1; mathematical operators for "+" , "-" , "x" , "/", and "=" are equivalent with the words "and", "without", "by", "of" and "is" respectively
Truth^2 = Pride/Humility + Shame/Wisdom
Invariant inversion
Truth^2 = Humility/Pride + Wisdom/Shame
Translation into philosophical expressions:
Truth is the Pride of Humility and the Shame of Wisdom
Truth is the Humility of Pride and the Wisdom of Shame


Notice how I start with the Pythagorean theorem?

You keep claiming to seek something that is right in front of your face already

>>41927098
>random insult
>no logical counter
Kek, keep loving the foreskin god then mate. It is the same thing with you christians every time. I already know the next line will be an insult and no intelligent counter so have a nice day.

>>41927221
Fucking exactly but the retarded Christcucks in this thread think I'm preaching a religion where we worship the Demiurge or some shit and hate Jesus or whatever. I actually think Christianity and what Jesus said has some good things to it. I like being a hobbyist theologian and learning about the different religions. And I can do all that while still thinking there are bad aspects of a religion and while still being against organized religion since it's a control mechanism. But these people are too low IQ to conceptualize the idea of a spiritual belief falling outside the format of an organized religious church. There are so many atheist scientists who believe in simulation theory. Believing we live in a fake reality is NOT just related to Gnosticism and is not just one set of ideas. It means different things to different people, which is why I started the thread to hear different peoples' idea of it. But it got raided by Christfags sperging about why we're all the Devil. Pythagoreas is cool. Although some of his ideas were stolen from Egyptians.

>>41927234
Christianity is not a religion of Churchianity. It is a one on one relationship with the Jesus Christ you keep trying to redefine. You can be a Christian without ever going to some church.

All you need to do is love Jesus Christ back and ask him to come into your life, and when you truly surrender your ego that holds you back with doubt and disbelief the Holy Spirit comes into your presence, and gives you the spiritual transformation that Gnosticism offers but NEVER delivers on

>>41927249
Cool. I don't give a fuck either way. You are not converting me.

I love that the Chrisfags think the /x/ board is the /jesus/ board. Anything that isn't strictly within their belief system MUST BE DERAILED with 100 posts sperging about how JESUS IZ KANG. Wow, how new and insightful!

>>41927249
Yes like the baby that was raped by a preacher should have just asked jesus or the starving child should have just asked jesus instead of dying. Such an intelligent thing to say. Gnostics don't offer a simple solution to bow to daddy who wants baby foreskins and hope he cares.

Let me prophecy to all of you self proclaimed Gnostics that cannot demonstrate gnosis. You will never obtain Gnosis through Gnosticism and hatred of God. It will be a promise you all circle jerk each other about, but absolutely none of you will ever receive it. It will always be a carrot dangled on a stick, and a contempt for God because you can't have it. Because when gnosis is demonstrated in front of you, you immediately try to redefine and refute it. It always has to be you trying to possess Truth, instead of letting Truth be Truth and transcendent. You think it's something you can have (a possession) instead of it being Jesus Christ Logos God.

>>41927264
This is imaginary. What the baby's name, and just because a pedophile, in your imagination, infiltrated some church, does not mean my relationship with Jesus Christ teaches me to be a pedophile. Where in the scripture does it promote pedophilia, instead of some sick fucker who IS NOT Christian doing that.

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>>41927214
No not really. It'd be more like if you were watching sims act autonomously and then you become a sim and got blown up and then went back to watching the sims do whatever.

There are absolutely transcendent realms and descendant realms of reality but the same principle still applies. Grasping the mechanisms of those realms though is a whole set of knowledge. Thats where you get your answers about the nature of the elites which your intuition seems to be telling you.

What i tell myself though, is that the cult of ishtar has been around since the beginning of civilization. the carthaginian baby sacrificers have always been around (i:e moloch) and theyll probably be around until we all die. They arent really that hard to navigate around when you know their tricks, and if you want to help kill them, follow the hyperborean tradition and youll find lots of brothers and sisters ready to achieve that same goal. other than that its really just stop complaining like a little bitch and figure out how to work around their tricks and magic. Im done with this thread now, Goodbye!

>>41927265
>Just worship my jewish foreskin loving god you assholes! You will burn in hell because my jewish god said so!

Kek no but nice try.

>>41927264
And now, where is your fucking gnosis? Is your gnosis imagining hypotheticals about some piece of shit raping babies?

Is that what Gnosis is? Fetishizing the rape of babies in your mind?

>>41927278
No. God could just not let that happen or not make pedos. Free will is not a an excuse since he knows if you will be evil or good and could just make good people with free will.
And it's in your book that god demands baby foreskins. And i don't give a fuck if he stopped cause le new covenant the fact he said in the first place is fucked up.

>>41927297
God let's humanity sin. God didn't fuck your imaginary baby, an imaginary pedophile pretending to be Christian did, in your mind

And by that extension if you believe in gnosticism that imaginary pedophile is one of your divine sparks. It's the thing as you, it posseses the same essence

>>41927287
That's in your holy book kek and seems you know nothing about the "holy" bible proving my point that christians no nothing of their own book. Any lurker/anon/reader can look this up. No gnostic text says this. Nice try projecting.

Why are you trying to teach pedophiles how to obtain Gnosis? I guarantee you there are pedophiles on this site attempting to learn the Gnosis you're peddling so that they can unlock their divine spark, and be a gnostic oedophile

>>41927309
Give me an exact verse. This should be pretty easy since you have gnosis

You have two minutes to provide the verse before you refute yourself

>>41927304
>God lets actual pedos sin.

That's what i said. Thank you for proving my point. Read next time.

Time up Liar


Let it be said that all gnostics are liars that like to imagine babies getting fucked by Christians.

>>41927316
Kek I never said had gnosis quit lying all loving christian.
Genesis 17:10–14 is a good one. There are so many more but I am not doing the work for you. You came to the gnostic thread.

>>41927341
So you proselytize with the promise of something you don't have

Now scroll up, I prophecies that to you

>>41927341
Genesis 10:14 NKJV
[14] Pathrusim, and Casluhim (from whom came the Philistines and Caphtorim).

https://bible.com/bible/114/gen.10.14.NKJV

>>41927347
I am arguing with a low iq moron who can't read. Have a nice day.

new thread for people who aren't retards
/simgen/ is about the idea we live in a simulation and not exclusively about Gnosticism: >>41927318

Ignore "JESUS IZ KANG" spam on the new thread. Comment good Sim Theory-related links so I can add them to the pastebin. Thanks.

>>41927341
Genesis 17:10-12 NKJV
[10] This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; [11] and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. [12] He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant.

https://bible.com/bible/114/gen.17.10-12.NKJV

Circumcision is not Christian. That's spelled out clearly in the Book of Acts, that circumscion is not Christian, it's an Israelite covenant that was discarded in the book of Acts which states that the only Israelite practices to be carried over is law against sexual immorality, eating live flesh from a still living animal, and drinking blood.

that ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication. If ye keep yourselves from these things, ye shall do well. Fare ye well!

So none of the Israelite covenant is Christianity.

And then Jesus says

It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.


He's saying i
It would be better to tie a millstone around a pedophiles neck and throw him into the sea than it would be to let him fuck children

>>41927374
Yet every christian agrees this is YHVH's command and YHVH is jesus' father unless you are gnostic. If you claim YHVH is not jesus this is a gnostic belief not a christian one.

Yaldabaoth deserves wholeness
Its ignorance is your veil

>>41927388
Thats not your imaginary raping of babies by Christians, that an Israelite covenantal practice performed by Israelites and it is not rape.

Raping is having sexual intercourse by force.

You're playing a semantic game of redefining words and expanding them to be beyond their definition and then projecting your seethe for your own semantic nonsense

Stop fighting with this Gwaihir retard. Ignore all of his replies. Discuss actual Gnostic thought in the Simulation Theory General thread: >>41927318
I'm trying to make a good pastebin resource for the OP of that thread so comment links.

Simulation theory is retarded shit that literally just moves the goalposts and I just shredded your entire "philosophy" on the first post. That's how fucking stupid it is.

>>41927406
Taking a baby's penis skin against his will is rape lol. This semitic nonsense is in your bible. Are you ai or low iq? I think i'm done here. Have a nice day baby foreskin lover.

>>41927424
You sound butthurt that your Jewish parents circumcized you

You are all just jealous of Jews. Jesus was a Jew.

It's not like you're gonna use your oenis anyways. What woman wants what a gnostic offers? Contempt and butterness and a desire to commit suicide with too much cowardice to do it, isn't very high on a woman's desired traits for a husband and father of their children

Remember this prophecy; in 5 years from now, you will be no closer to Gnosis through Gnosticism than you are today.

Truth is invariant just like c, you can think you're getting closer to Truth, but if you are 1% wrong, Truth will put in you by 100%

That is why you can never obtain Gnosis through gnosticism

You will all burn in Hell when you die. That's the Gnosis you will achieve. The rapist who repents and changes his ways will be in Heaven.

>>41916536
Are you referring to Gnosticism as it is used to talk about the broad spiritual concept (as in a view on an individual's relationship with God alternative to allognosticism and agnosticism), or do you mean the specific historic ecclesiastic "sect" (not sure if sect is accurate) of Christianity called by the same name? I used to lurk here regularly as a teenager like 10 years ago but somehow avoided absorbing anything substantial from all the Gnosticism discussions i remember seeing, returning now partly to seek out this thread in specific after developing some interest and doing some reading. When did they do this to the captcha what the fuck, i feel like im getting GATE'd.

>>41927507
Why do you choose to engage in discourse with those who call you retarded?

>>41927238
if φ == & sin(-666) == △ == יהוה then △⋆ = יהשוה

qed qcd isnt that hard, color/music theory is natural. linear math is cubehead poobrain, go quantum irrational infinite.

>>41927248

Egyptians didn't know shit, they didn't even have written language until the Greeks gave them their alphabet. They were dreamers, the pyramids were a stoneage video game console for 1 guy until they made it a field of reeds mmo (=garden of eden). Egypt is a scam.

>>41927632
Technically
2*sin(-666) = phi

>>41927658

ugh, 4chan censors pentagram unicode.

it should say phi = pentagram.

>>41927620
Because I am retarded, so are you, so is he, the inherent undertone of an imageboard is that everybody on one is retarded. As a namefaggot who shuns the core concept and appeal of the format and instead NEEDS to be recognized across threads and time rather than letting his posts stand alone you are also granted the recognition of being humongously gay in addition to the retardation that comes standard. Again i've been gone for a few years but unless something has changed i still don't get it, yours isnt even a tripcode someone else could very easily just go by your name if they wanted to. The people most likely to put actual effort into responses are also generally the people who filter namefags. You lose in every way by namefagging.

I wish I were a rabbi so I could suck those little baby penises.

>>41927681
Not quite, phi = (1+√5)/2,

Which, ultimately

Because the derivitve of x2 = 2x
Then
2sine(-666) (phi) is the derivitve of Yahweh*Jesus
Or Logos^2 = Truth^2 = Pride/Humility + Shame/Wisdom

And
Because

1 + i^2 = 0
Yet
1 = -i^2
Apply root function to each side
+1, -1 = i, -i

Roots of unity

The difference is, you're building up to it through attempting to integrate
Don't integrate
Start at the invariant, and derive downwards

>>41927884
בָּֽא־זָ֭דֹון וַיָּבֹ֣א קָלֹ֑ון וְֽאֶת־צְנוּעִ֥ים חָכְמָֽה

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>>41927500
Shut up retard, you're talking to people who in this lifetime killed Jesus and Demiurge, you're not gonna make it.
And your bluff isn't gonna work precisely on the killing blow dude.

Also of note
Where:
Phi = 2Sin(-666) = (1+√5)/2
P
2phi = (1+√5)
√5 = irrational man
1 = God's unity
Therefore
2phi = God's Unity with Irrational Man