Can you draw that before you get double legged and then have your chin pounded ?

Nah

>>203687
>allowing a big dumb violent animal to get within 10 feet of me
Nah

>>203686
Currently in my country every "aggression" it's 3-5 armed men against one person so nothing can save you.

>>203689
You like to think you have a choice, but you dont. Real life isn't like time crisis. You don't have the foot pedal and jump out from behind the wall

And then you go to prison for decades because you're not allowed to fucking shoot people over a fist fight

>>203686
even the best MMA fighters carry guns too
https://nypost.com/2018/08/22/ufc-star-confronts-meth-head-who-broke-into-his-home/
never waste your time touching a crackhead

>>203698
This. Eliminate any potential to be touched or hurt

>>203686
Shooting yourself should take less than 2 seconds. Practice.

>>203706
kek
you mad bro?
go lift some weight discs, it’ll make you feel better

>>203693
You can if it goes from non-deadly to deadly, and hitting a grounded opponent definitely counts. Don't make me pull out the book on self defense shootings, nigger

>>203686
https://youtu.be/CH4raN4cMBk?feature=shared

>>203686
>5 seconds
>5
Lol you suck, do you even own a shot timer?

>>203733
>less than 5 seconds
read much?

>>203771
Five seconds from concealment to first shot is a terribly low bar. You'd know this if you actually owned guns and trained seriously.
Bragging about drawing in "less than five seconds" is like bragging about bench pressing "more than 100 pounds".

>>203775
holy shit you can bench press more than 100 pounds amazing what's your secret

>>203721
Yeah most fights it's just the person throwing one or two punches. It's better to be able to throw a few and disengage

>>203691
Come to Brazil

>>203805
No :^)

My friend since 2nd grade got married and asked me to be his best man but the wedding was in Brazil so I didn't go

He was practically begging, bro you don't understand! The place we're staying is right on the beach
And I'm like nigga I live 10 minutes away from the beach and I can go there without risk of getting robbed with a machete, you'll have to do better than that

>>203806
you sound like a pussy

>>203807
Maybe but I'm a pussy that can freely move around in public places and not have to worry abut my property getting stolen

Lol I remember these 2 girls talking about how back in Brazil their dad's would remove the radio from the car and carry it with them when they went into the store

seems like this cold wrap is actually relieving my pain!

>>203776
You got caught lacking, son. Go take a class, go shoot a match, get good. I believe in you.

>>203809
Ok pussy
>Gets knock out game pranked on him anyway

Oh no no no

>>203686
Why do gunfags act like they're the only people in the world who can own guns? What's stopping the fighter from having guns as well? Now you're outmatched in every criteria

>>203698
Based Dean Lister. Dude was a great MMA grappler

>>203868
It's lardass cope: they want to buy a solution instead of working for a solution. The same gunfags who don't see the value in other martial training are the same gunfags who don't train seriously at the range.

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>>203686
You are a fucking faggot. Stay a retarded worm cuck.

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>So these two Puerto Rican guys approached me and asked me for my autograph. I told them to fuck off.
>“You ain’t all that, anyway,” one of them said. “We got guns and you only got your fists.”
>If I wasn’t on coke probably nothing would have happened. But I was, so I chased them into the lobby and up the escalator. We got to the top of the escalator and I knocked one of them out with one punch. The other guy was hiding behind the front desk and I pulled him out and hit him. He was spared when hotel security came."

I own you because I am 3 steps ahead of you (I rigged a bomb into your home's entrance and you never found me in the first place)

>>203707
Post body, skinny boy.

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>>203686
>I bring this to a fight and it’s over in less than 5 seconds
about that...

>>203937
“guns” vs. gun
it’s not even close, coper.

>>204117
>unloads entire magazine
>hits the target once
Do police even get firearms training anymore? What was that second dipshit doing with his weapon still holstered? Pathetic.

>>204153
>Do police even get firearms training anymore?
Not as much as they should. You can thank department budgets and police unions for that.
>What was that second dipshit doing with his weapon still holstered?
He had his taser out instead of his pistol because they were trying to deescalate instead of letting the guy commit suicide by cop like he wanted.
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/mynews/athens/narrative-of-bodycam-footage-from-athens-deadly-officer-involved-shooting/85-9a076f1e-6697-461d-a6f5-6fca0007a2d7

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>>203686
>>203689
Unless you're maintaining 21+ feet of social distancing at all times you're vulnerable to getting mogged by edged weapon Chads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYl2KCdFNgo

>turns head slightly to the right
nothin personnel

>>204245
Kek
>>203702
All these threads are bait and we are retarded for replying

>>204153
Unsure about the US, but i know here in Australia cops only have do 1 mandatory range day per year. Civilian pistol owners have to shoot every month.

If youre friends with the average cop, theyre probably the most dumbest fucking people youll ever meet.

>>204657
>cops only have do 1 mandatory range day per year
It's the same here in the US and the standards for that one range day are very, very low.
>Civilian pistol owners have to shoot every month
We don't have a requirement like that but statistically concealed carriers greatly outperform LEOs.

>>203686
Op goes to the beach with a gun in his shorts lmao

>>203721
Pull it up faggot

>>203806
Weak ass mindset

>>203809
Where you from Europe? Because last time I checked people can’t wait to steal from each other in the states, it’s legal right?

And then the trained mma fighter punches you in the face dislodges it from your hand and fucks you in the ass with it and then shoots you.

How about that? What if that happens?

No shit, OP. That's why it's categorized as deadly force. Unfortunately, deadly force is haunted by the specter of Any Reasonable Man, whereas a double leg or kicking someone's legs out from under them is not.

On the flipside though, I was informed that as of last year, in my state, slapping a rear naked choke or even a guillotine on someone now constitutes lethal force, and the victim of said choke can perforate your ass for it. Which was news to me.

>>205155
I mean, I see the logic in the law. You, as an experienced grappler, know that you can let off after 30 seconds and then get away. John Doe the fat retard in a tap out shirt who thinks he could just go crazy on a ufc fighter is liable to put some poor bastard in a choke hold for 15 minutes and kill them.

ngl seems like the mma guys coping itt

>>205245
>I'm totally going to 360 noscope you whilst my chins being rocked and im being suplexed on the floor

Things virgin neckbeards believe

>>205245
They think that lifting weight discs every day and groping shirtless sweaty men makes them invincible, and it crushes their entire two-braincell world when you tell them otherwise.

>>203689
you'll hesitate. Grab wrist, break wrist, no threat.

>>203687
didnt leonardo lo and some competitive black die via gun shot?
I think Lo tried to grind on some dudes girl. and the other guy was having road rage and being really confrontational to some old man after hitting his car. Like getting in his face
i dont see how crawling on their ass and closed guard could have stopped that bullet

>inb4 you dont understand my mentality, i just see red, i am just a shark in a sea of jiu jitsu practicioners

>>206985
>competitive black
competitive black belt*

>>204117
>anon doesnt know what drugs are
dude also missed like half of those shots

>/k/fag trains endlessly plinking cans
>gets pwnd by an artillery shell

>>203687
*side steps u*
The wonders of footwork that bjjfags like to ignore.

>>207266
bjjfags ignore everything that can bring them harm and then throw a tantrum.
Go powerlift and let your body get used to the movements of bjj
you'll be destroying people
it's happened before

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>not being a strong weight-lifter, practicing MMA or self-defence, AND carrying a gun.

>>203686
>waiting for faggot op on the other side of TSA security

>>203933
I imagine the whole situation with all those dialogs it's fucking hilarious

>>207408
this

>all this seethe
why are people mad about this shit ofc guns beat everything.
t. mma guy who owns a gun, too

>>203806
>getting robbed with a machete
that's mexico

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>>203692
guess again faggot

>>203686
>Retard purchases a gun to use in altercations against unarmed men

> I bring an attack helicopter to the fight and end it in 5 seconds

>>203809
My friends dad was born in Brasil, lived there for 40 years and never had problems, but then again he was tough

>>208381
>why are people mad about this shit
OP is always such an effective troll because it's true. You could spend 20 years training your body to the peak of human ability and a child will a gun will still be able to effortlessly kill you. People who have spent a lot of time training in martial arts or whatever don't like hearing this so they come up with a bunch of cope instead of using their brains like >>207408 and buying a gun.

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>>203691
>*blocks your path*

>>203686
This guy is a massive pussy who never trains. Why entertain him?

>>203686
>"I bring this to a fight and it’s over in less than 5 seconds"
and you don't know how to grapple so he disarms you easily.

>>211144
See >>203732

>>203686
The only time I ever think about self defense is when someone like you brings it up. I'm gonna be real anon, in the past month I haven't left the house unless it's the grocery store, the gym, or the library+park in the middle of the day in an affluent area.

For my money pepper gel is easier to wield, less legal hassle, cheaper, less training required, just as effective for deterrent, and less likely to find weapons pulled on you in return.

>>203693
Of course you're allowed to use picrel to defend yourself if you're being attacked lmao. The united states is not like any other faggot anglo country in that you're not expected to just let someone beat your ass until the authorities arrive.

>>211245
Dumb

No I won't explain because it suits me to have less armed tards out there

>>211245
>is easier to wield
arguable, they both require accuracy.
>less legal hassle
When you use one, whether or not it becomes a legal hassle is up to the DA, not you.
>cheaper
Okay, you base the tool to save your life on its cost.
>less training required
I'll agree with you on this one.
>just as effective for deterrent
No, a pepper spray isn't guaranteed to take someone down. a CNS hit with a gun is guaranteed to work.
>less likely to find weapons pulled on you in return
I'd say its about the same chance of getting a weapon pulled on you, but I suppose on this one we'll have to agree to disagree.

>>204244
>just stands there like a retard while the guy is clearly reaching into his jacket while giving his ID
LMAOOOOOOO if you're really this LOW IQ you deserve to die, faggot. As soon as I see your hand reach inside, you'd be coughing up blood.

>>203686
I have a gun too and I am much more used to doing things calming while adrenaline is running in the redline.

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>>203686
You can have all the muscles in the world...

>>215963
This illustrates the argument for both training and having a gun. The big guy avoids getting shot the first time by grappling John Wick, but John Wick is uncommonly strong himself and trained to a high degree of competence in martial arts and so successfully fights to regain control of his weapon. Being unarmed didn't mean the big guy had zero chance, and being armed didn't keep Wick from a hand-to-hand fight.

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>>203687

>>203686
>Security footage shows that you gunned down a unarmed men from 8m now you're arrested

>>203686
>mma fighter trains endlessly to be an unstoppable force
>I bring this to a fight and it’s over in less than 5 seconds
In my country using a gun against a unarmed person or without a lethal weapon always annuls legitimate defense because the means exceed the aggression, the person as long is unarmed can walk to me and try to grapple the gun and if I shoot the one getting arrested is me
so tell me Gun Fu master how I defend myself then?

>>215966
omg bro your comments are so insightful and smart are you John Wick in real life anon you're such a cool internet assassin murderer guy

>>215720
In real life situations you have a reaction time of 250ms-2 seconds depending on where your focus is. The aggressor always wins.

>>203686
Classic fag cope. You must be a boxer

>>204657
>Unsure about the US, but i know here in Australia cops only have do 1 mandatory range day per year. Civilian pistol owners have to shoot every month
Kek. This is fucking hilarious. Civilians are expected to be more competent than the law.

>>204657
Police standards vary by department in the US but on average police are only required to put in about 50 shots down range every year. For context that’s one box of target ammo which most people go through in an hour or less at the range.


I should also add that “untrained” citizens with concealed carry permits have higher hits on target per shots fired ratios every single year. I’d trust a random boomer with a Glock in his waistband to not accidentally shoot me than any fucking cop in this country.

>>216959
In the US, cops have 2 mandatory range qualifications a year. Civilians have 0 mandatory, but the people who enjoy guns will want to practice despite there being no obligation.

a Gun can only use in situations were Lethal force can apply, and that depends on the city, state, country and the Judge or Jury opinion

>>217094
Third worlders shouldn't talk about things they know nothing about

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>>203686
>>203687
>>203689
>I-I'll just pull out my g-aAAAACK!!!

>>217166
Guy next to the cocacola fridge is just sick of this happening every time he goes out.

you don't have the heart to shoot somebody you fucking faggot

>>217159
Literally in my country the a Self-Defense with fireguns can be easily overturned by a minor thing like waiting for the robbers to enter your house to shoot them or shooting them on the back

>>217166
>the guy that just falls at the end
kek

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>>203686
>elite marksman trains endlessly to be an unstoppable force
>I bring this to a fight and it's over in less than 5 seconds

>>211189
You left the door open. So the 3-5 violent men can easily walk right through. Rookie mistake.

>>203686
>>I bring this to a fight

to not fight. yes. and?

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>>217362
>tankfag crew spends years and millions of dollars in training
>not to mention the millions already spent in the tank
>gets decimated by a 400$ drone and like a 40$ granade
nothin personal kid

>>203693
This is the obvious outcome. But OP is always a faggot.

>>203686

Sean Strickland says hello

>>224746
Hi Sean

What if the MMA fighter also has a gun? I'd wager he probably spends more time at the range than you do, judging from your thought process. You probably wouldn't even know what to do if you were in a situation where you needed to draw your gun.

>>203698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rDIduCCJnA
black man desean strickland also carries

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>shot putter trains endlessly throw a weight as far as possible
>I bring this to the field and win the competition without breaking a sweat

>>217166
is this brazil?

>>206806
Bjj isn't useless
Having confidence to handle someone and appreciate how fucking difficult is to get someone on their belly and to confront the possibility of things getting ugly is huge
Striking arts obviously good for addressing how shit things get in the blink of an eye
Gun handling obviously good so you're not a fucking tool with a gun
Also knifes are scary as hell not because they aren't dangerous
But because retards are stupid enough to kill you even if you land a maiming/lethal stab on them

>>225380
>Implying loading a trebuchet and building tension is easy

>>217166
Did the red-orange shirt fellow die? I don’t see any blood and it looks like the shots might’ve been barely out of line with his head.

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>>224259
>killed by a soldier with buckshot
and the cycle repeats

>>224259

i'd wear that grenade as a buttplug

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>>203686
>sees a guy who has put a lot of time and work into his body and training
>instead of just acknowledging that person's accomplishment, feels so outclassed that they have to imagine shooting him to feel better about themselves

why are people like this?
The truth is that if you can't beat someone in a fight, your chances of being able to draw and fire during that fight aren't as great as you might think. Sure, you have a better chance than without any gun, but it's wrong to see carrying a gun as some kind of magic solution that will let you win 100% of the time.
inb4 "i wont let him get close" yeah, you will. You're not going to just shoot anyone that comes within 20 feet of you. You're probably going to get your ass beat and have your gun stolen or worse. I recommend getting at least some training/experience with open handed fighting as a supplement to carrying.

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>>235611
>instead of just acknowledging that person's accomplishment, feels so outclassed that they have to imagine shooting him to feel better about themselves
I'm not one of these anons. I don't do martial arts, but I really want to in the future. My little brother does boxing. I train really hard in the gym to build my body and get super strong, and I started lifting in 2013. I feel pretty good about myself for working towards improving myself every day. However, there is one thing that really pisses me off and makes me super jealous: rich people.

You can tell people that if they did X, Y, and Z, and worked really hard consistently over so many years, that they could realistically stand a chance at being an elite athlete, as in being in the top 1% in an athletic discipline. You absolutely cannot tell somebody that if they did X, Y, and Z, that they would realistically stand a chance at entering the top 1% wealth-wise. If you're in the top 1% in the US in 2025, you have a net worth of at least $11,000,000. (18% of Americans have a net worth of $1,000,000.) How the fuck are you supposed to gain anywhere near that amount of wealth, in 2025 dollars, within your lifetime? Don't forget about taxes. Also, being rich doesn't really matter when you're old, anyway. Funnily enough, income inequality is about the same in the US and Europe, but wealth inequality is way greater in the US. It largely has to do with inheritance. Don't forget there are tons of people out there who get underpaid, even if they're making something like $80,000 per year, and there are tons of people getting overpaid with several millions of dollars per year.

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>>235612
It's a difficult feeling to fight. There's a reason that envy is one of the seven deadly sins, and I believe that today it's one of the most dangerous ones because of how socially encouraged it is. Sometimes it feels like even movies, shows, and other forms of media will push the narrative of "rich people bad". It's insane how easy it is to have feelings of envy sneak up on you without even realizing it. Once you learn to look for it, you see it everywhere.
Guy has a nice car? Fucking prick, he's wasting his money on something he doesn't need. Hot wife? She's probably just a gold digger or cheats on him. Lots of money? He's an asshole who takes advantage of others and is out of touch. Strong fighter? I could just shoot him dead.
The list goes on and on, and while these explanations may be true in some cases, I feel like so often I see people give in to having malicious reactions to seeing those who are more fortunate or successful.

>>203689
But enough about your experiences with NY subway system

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>>204117
shouldve carried a 45

>>237116
Handgun stopping power is largely a myth. A case study:

Timothy Gramins of the Skokie, Illinois Police Department used his .45ACP Glock 21 to place 14 shots on a suspect, 6 in potentially fatal areas (heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney). Despite this, the suspect kept shooting and moving (without the assistance of drugs or alcohol), finally falling to the pavement after three shots to the head (one through each side of his mouth and one through the top of his skull into his brain).

The suspect fired 21 rounds and was still showing vital signs when EMS arrived, but was too perforated to be saved by doctors. Gramins fired 33 rounds and sustained a wound to the shin and cuts from broken glass. The firefight lasted 56 seconds.

Instead of carrying 37 rounds of .45ACP and 10 rounds of 9mm Luger, Sergeant Gramins now carries 145 rounds of 9mm Luger every day on the job.

https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

>>237130
>Handgun stopping power is largely a myth.
Nta, but one exception would be self defense against wild animals like bears and moose. You'd want something like a 10mm for dealing with those to get more penetration.

>>237135
Better penetration allows for more options for good shot placement in those large animals but doesn't yield "stopping power" in the commonly understood sense, e.g. how a large rifle round might impart enough force on a human target to immediately physically incapacitate him even without a central nervous system hit.

>>237138
so i should carry a doublt barreld 30-06 pistol or something

>>237154
A rifle is a better fighting weapon than a pistol, but for daily carry pistols end up being a lot more practical for the majority of people. Since the size limitations of a carry pistol put serious constraints on cartridge size, barrel length, etc. optimizing for stopping power is likely a bad approach. Training for fast and accurate shot placement while maximizing round count with a cartridge capable of adequate penetration and tissue damage seems to be the most popular approach, with the primary goal being to score a central nervous system hit and the second-best option being to put enough holes in the circulatory system to depressurize it.

The best concealed carry option for pure stopping power with a low round count is probably a pocket full of hand grenades.

>>237130
No, it isn't and I'd like to see you face down a Moro swordsman before you say differently.

A single case is anecdotal, therefore worthless.

>>203686
>thinking firearms invalidate all possible scenarios where unarmed combat training could be usefull
Oh look, it's this thread again...

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>>203686
Lol, lmao.

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>>203698
Every single black belt and master in my association carries bar none.

They know they can probably win a hand to hand fight against 99% of the people of the world.

They also know that a completely unskilled, untrained idiot with a gun can very much kill them and their chances are 1,000x greater with their own gun.
>especially since the thug very likely isn't trained with the gun either

>>237130
I remember this, and I do cite it as there are aberrations worth mentioning.

However there's another study that looked at handgun calibers used in ~1600 police reports, such as .22LR, .32 Auto, 9mm Luger, .357 Magnum, .38 Special, .45 Auto, etc. also included the catch-alls of "shotgun" and "center fire rifle".

The takeaway: handgun calibers are pretty negligent in differences. 9mm, 40S&W and .45 Auto were the most common, each with hundreds of cases. Probably a lot of mag dumpers if I had to guess.

Shotguns and rifles were far and away the leaders against any handgun cartridge in ending a gun fight.

Also, as Ayoob has mentioned ad infinitum: gun fights don't last more than two or three rounds, that study also corroborates that.

But again... there's always exceptions. Do you need 30 baby killer caliber rounds in a fully semi-automatic assault rifle ghost gun? Probably not, except when you do.3

Also, FMJ and JHP performance are wildly different. I'd take a .45 Auto FMJ over a 9mm FMJ for lethality but a 9mm JHP is damn near on-par with .45 Auto JHP so it's well worth the trade-off for capacity gains. As a gearhead might say...
>there's no replacement for displacement

>>240772
>didn't expect to get assaulted on the way home from school
>also didn't expect a free gun
Sweet deal. To the victor go the spoils.

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>>241944
>9mm JHP is damn near on-par with .45 Auto JHP
Bullshit, in hollow points the expansion of a .45 is still much greater than that of a 9mm. I'll post some pics.

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>>241944
>>241956
The 9mm's expansion.

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>>241944
>>241956
>>241957
The .45's expansion.

Threads like this remind me how few of the board's users have actually been inside a woman.

Some 12yo posts the most no-brainer obvious bait and you all bite.

Sad.

>>203693
Don't tell the police. If you are going for life, might as well try and hide the evidence.

where can I buy a gun easily in europe?

>>203686
Why talk shit if you're jist gonna shoot somebody? That's called being a pussy.

>>211089
>Retard falls for my display of a singular handgun
>Pull out RPG-7

>>203686
why not both?
weapon retention starts with good situational awareness and decent striking and grappling skills, and good baseline cardio, hand-eye coordination, strength and flexibility. OP is baiting but srsly, watch hours and hours of footage of bodycam footage. Shit doesn't go down as smoothly 1 v 1 most of the time even if the cop has a firearm and the suspect does not. Always helps to both be able to confidently and reliably use a firearm AND use your body to strike and grapple your opponent.

Find or grow a community of friends and colleagues that you can go to the range with AND spar/roll with, and sooner or later you'll be starting your own little militia....

>>211144
>>203689
>>203686

You're a sorry excuse of a man and you know it. Get off your chair, go outside, and experience your body. There's not a more primal and exciting human experience than fighting another chimp 1 on 1. If not for glory, then simply to put your mind and body to the test. Fuck action movies and video games. Go experience it first hand you imbecile.

>>203686
Eww.
A 19...

You a cop, queer, or both?

Then you end up in a place where there are no guns and there are lots of people who can fight better than you.

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>>203686
Jesus, imagine being shot by a Glock... how embarrassing. Just use a high point or a stone while your at it! Whats wrong can't afford a Beretta? Also like you prove you're a little bitch who can't throw hands. Bring a gun to a fist fight if you have no dick.

>>203686
>He's armed too.
>He's been in violent situations so he knows when to de-escalate and when it's time to kill.

>>203687
Gun beats strength
drugs beats gun
strength beats drugs

you don't even need a fucking gun just a friend
I knew a guy who was a state champ greco roman, he was bouncing and ended up pinning some guy that was causing trouble
dude's homie came up and stabbed my acquaintance right in the kidney.
grappling is meme outside the ring

>>249575
I have a counter-anecdote. I worked at a club with a guy who had a folkstyle wrestling scholarship to a school with a good wrestling program. Two Hell's Angels pulled brass knuckles on him but he beat them up so soundly that none of the other bouncers felt the need to step in and help him out. Friends and situational awareness are huge but individual grappling skill does make a difference.

>>249584
NTA, but this kind of serves more to point out how useless brass knuckles are rather than serving as an example of how grappling is great against multiple opponents.

>>203689
How do you live your life without having any humans near you within 10ft?
Sounds like you're just some power-fantasy retard and you flinch every time someone passes you by on the sidewalk

>>249744
NTA, but he's implying that he doesn't live anywhere near certain minority groups. Not that he never lets anyone within 10 feet of him.

>>203687
>Can you draw that before you get double legged and then have your chin pounded ?
>Nah
Yes, 100%. Fucking retard, lmfao

>>203732
the first key to self-defense is to never relax. you've already failed at that if you've let a nigger within 10 feet of yourself without being ready for what it might do.

>>203687
>The official world record for the fastest single-shot pistol draw (open style) belongs to
Ernie Hill, who achieved a time of 0.208 seconds in 1982.
Good luck.

>>203686
Being proud that you shot someone is American behavior as fuck.

>>250968
>Has to pull the literal world record as if that meant anything for literally everybody else.
Well I can play that game too, the average reaction time of a professional boxer is 150 to 200 millisecond, get fucked retard.

>paranoid schizophrenics fantasizing about "defending" themselves from roving bands of armed raiders
>when they don't even go outside
extreme sports?

>>240772
But youtubers and redditors told me that gun disarms don’t work in the real world!

I’ve read some old military manuals’ gun disarm sections and they’re very interesting. While the common consensus on the internet is that gun disarms are a foolish idea likely to result in the death of the disarmer (“You are not batman! You’re not John wick!) these military manuals written by people who have actually been shot at claim that trained persons can reliably disarm guns held within arm’s reach of them. Here’s some of the main points I’ve noticed:
>Even in the 1940s there were many records of police disarming criminals, criminals disarming police, injuring them, killing, etc. In the modern world many successful gun disarms have been caught on camera. Can all of this really be attributed to selection bias?
>because the disarmer chooses the time to disarm, the gunman has to react to them rather than the other way around. Basically you have a head start, which critically means you can move your body out of the way before the gunman can shoot.
>You don’t have to wrestle the gun out of their hands, knocking it out and/or knocking them out is just as good should you be faced with only one opponent. Disarming a gun might seem impossible, but does sucker-punching someone seem the same? Gun disarms can just be sucker punches with the extra step of getting off the line of fire.
>people say “no-one will ever hold a gun that close to you”. But criminals very often do, and one manual I’ve read claims this is because holding someone up puts them in a defensive mindset. It is often possible to get them to come close to you.
>Some disarms involve things specific to the model of gun, like semi-auto handgun X won’t fire if you hold the slide. While these do work, they are bad to teach beginners because you can only use them if held up with handgun X, and they’d have to learn new techniques for handgun Y and rifle Z

>>252533
Continued
>training needs to be as realistic as possible in order for the student to have the confidence to actually do it IRL. This means real but unloaded or deactivated weapons, and even blanks for the advanced student.

>you should be careful not to look at your opponents weapon as to not arouse suspicion. Lead them to believe you are scared to death.

>In WW2 they initially taught a trick where you’d hold your hands wide apart so the gunman could only look at one and be vulnerable to attack from the other, but they stopped teaching this because the trick became known to the axis.

>wait for your opponent to get distracted. This lowers their reaction time, giving you a greater window for success.

Generally, these manuals address a lot of common critiques I see of gun disarm methods. Most online tutorials only use a couple of these points of advice, and there’s several points I’ve never seen acknowledged at all. In the youtube tutorials you can find for gun disarms, I’ve never seen any of my favorite WW2 era techniques. (Well, except for archived training videos of that era.)

What do you think, anons? Are gun disarms possible in the real world? (Expert has 51%+ chance of success) are gun disarms practical in the real world? (1 month training gives most 66%+ chance success) It’s controversial but I am inclined to believe that gun disarms are practical.

>>215720
Ok faggot ass sherlock holmes wanna be. In real life there could be any number of reasons for a person to reach into their jacket. Have fun in prison after you merc someone just for scratching at a patch of dry skin, you fucking retard.

>>203698
>>241942
This makes me wonder if a knife is better for untrained people since they can defend themselves up close, and a gun is better for trained people because it can defend against people further away.

>>252533
>ns held within arm’s reach of them. Here’s some of the main points I’ve noticed:
>>Even in the 1940s there were many records of police disarming criminals, criminals disarming police, injuring
>>252535
Gun disarms do work, which is why so many martial arts teach it. The main risk is that the chance that the gun will go off is high, so you are not just risking your own life if it goes wrong but also the lives of those in your surroundings if it goes right. I'd say that if you are in a secluded area, go for it; if you're in a crowd, rethink your idea.

>>203686
But it´s dishonorable to do that anon!