>>240046
Yeah, really tragic. Honestly, unless you're intending to go am/pro, I see little to no value in hard sparring. Obviously you need some sparring just to put shit together and to get a feel for timing/distance, etc. Anyone who's pushing it as some kind of "you gotta know what it's like to get hit," bullshit is a retard. That's what amateur matches are for. If you're just a hobbyist or learning for self-defens, I would even say that just doing drills with someone on mits is good enough.

>>240046
>Anyone who's pushing it as some kind of "you gotta know what it's like to get hit," bullshit is a retard.
You need to condition your body to not freeze up when it feels pain, or else you'll be like all those Chinese Kung Fu masters that got rocked by Xu Xiaodong. They knew all the stances, but when the first punch landed on them, they had no idea what to do.

>>240049
>>240120
A punch in the face don't create any "conditioning" it only damage your brain.
You will never see any animals damage themselves for "play" they fight only in case of necessity only the "intelligent" homosapiens damage themselves for "play".
This is why hard sparring is retarded.

Sparring 6-12 rounds once a week isnt going to result in CTE. And you would be a 10x better fighter than if you didnt

>>240134
>>240049
what is military (REAL ,not krav MCga or fake combatives)combat training like for intelligence\ spy units like Shin Bet, SDS in usa, BOSS in south africa?
do they "teach basic mma, it's just that"? train under some sort of torture like sleep deprivation\ starvation? learn to hype up themselves to be able to do things like non-hesitant eye gouges in a split second?

>>240134
Spoken like a person who's never fought at all.
>You will never see any animals damage themselves for "play" they fight only in case of necessity
This is false, btw.

>>240147
Even goats who are naturally made to fight get CTE symptoms when they reach the goat equivalent of their 40's.

>>240120
>You need to condition your body to not freeze up when it feels pain,
That's what the 4x hard sparring sessions are for, smartypants. Could have 50 hard sparring sessions if it's body-only, but personally I'm not a fan of boxers dementia and permanent brian injury.

There is no acceptable level of head trauma

>>240161
>That's what the 4x hard sparring sessions are for, smartypants.
The guy I was responding to claimed that there was "no value in hard sparring" at all. Moving the goalpost now means that I was right all along.

Once your body has been properly conditioned then you can stop, but you should have done it at least once in your life before a real fight. Don't want to get hit in the face? Fine, only body shots, but conditioning is real.

>>240163
>There is no acceptable level of head trauma
You know what else harms the brain? prolonged sitting, drinking, eating fried foods, being dehydrated, staying up late, eating sugary foods, exposure to loud noises over 100dB. You better stay home and avoid all that.

>>240146
No, military combatives is literally just basic MMA - punches, basic kicks, wrestling and grappling fundamentals

Is there anything scarier in this world than going the distance?

>>240146
>>240196
Seconded, all legit military martial arts programs are just basic MMA with some illegal techniques thrown in with drills. Which, in the service, you'll get very little training in, unless it's your hobby, cause the training is more available, just not mandatory. Some places have extra shit. I've heard that SERE has some pretty good H2H instructors that even cover basic weapons like knives/sticks/staffs and traps since in SERE situations you're usually unarmed & being pursued.

>>240120
>You need to condition your body to not freeze up when it feels pain
There are lots of ways to do that without rattling your brain. It's funny that a lot of karatekas on this board love to shit on kyokushin for not allowing head strikes during sparring when despite that it's regularly recognized as having some of the most brutal conditioning out of all karate styles & easily has the highest attrition rate.

>>240166
>prolonged sitting, drinking, eating fried foods, being dehydrated, staying up late, eating sugary foods, exposure to loud noises over 100dB. You better stay home and avoid all that.
Oooo such wit, you definitely shut that shit down bro. All that shit totally produces CTE, Parkinson's, dementia, and Alzheimer's at the same rate that repeated head trauma has been linked to. No doubt. That shit you said definitely w was not some mid wit smooth brain retardation, not at all.

>>240312
>There are lots of ways to do that without rattling your brain.
A strawman argument, the favorite tool of the disingenuous fool. I never said to intentionally take as many blows to the head as possible, only a retard would have read what I wrote and assumed so. Just because people recommend hard sparring against a non-compliant adversary doesn't mean that they want to promote masochism.
>It's funny that a lot of karatekas on this board love to shit on kyokushin for not allowing head strikes during sparring when despite that it's regularly recognized as having some of the most brutal conditioning out of all karate styles
I actually look up to those guys; they spar harder than I do, more often too. You just assumed I think they're weak to justify all the lame bullshit you spoke.

>>240313
>Alzheimer's
I promise you that sugar is the number 1 cause of this one. Many countries have started referring to it as type 3 diabetes for a reason.

>>240317
>A strawman argument, the favorite tool of the disingenuous fool. I never said to intentionally take as many blows to the head as possible, only a retard would have read what I wrote and assumed so.
Given the context of the thread, it's implicit that taking blows to the head is what you meant. Way to attempt wit but display a lack of reading comprehension at the same time.
>You just assumed I think they're weak to justify all the lame bullshit you spoke.
Again with the lack of reading comprehension, with a dash of narcissism. Did I say you? Have you said you practice Karate anywhere in this thread? No & no, so why would I be referring to you.
>sugar
Since you want to use logical fallacies, thats a nice red herring there. If it wasn't obvious, no one gives a shit about all that other crap and we're concerned with what repeated head trauma does. Also facetious remark about how "you better stay home and avoid all that too" also greatly contributed to your patent implications that sparring should explicitly include blows to the head.
>tl;dr: "I was only pretending to be retarded"

>>240331
>display a lack of reading comprehension
Projecting after misreading my comment. sad.

>>240049
as an amateur, i like heavy sparring because i find it fun. As long as you make a rule of not trying to kill your partner (as in, be careful with head-hits), both parties can enjoy it.

I dislike light sparring as it gives amateurs false confidence in their abilities, and people can take advantage of that you'll be slower by spamming range like side-kicks.

>>240146
>BOSS in south africa?
Wtf is this.

If you don't like sparring then don't spar, it's that simple. If you want to test yourself knowing that you're going to get hit in the head, then go for it. Boxing's not for everyone.

>>240146
I think in the military they just shoot people and if that doesn't work they stab them