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Previous threads pre-merge
>>178915
>>190582

Based. No more brothers wars.

Should I join my local muay Thai gym

>>241128
Serious question what's the difference between learning these sweeps in a judo club Vs kickboxing club?

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>>241177
yeah

>>241179
Judo and wrestling throws have multiple points of contact, usually 2-3 with only 1 point of contact being very situational. Off-balancing someone to setup a throw or takedown usually happens after you already have a grip on somebody. Throws in striking involve much fewer points of contact and the off-balancing is usually achieved with strikes and feints from a longer distance before contact is made.

On a meta level, muay thai throws (even the ones similar to judo throws) are purposely done differently due to anti-Japanese sentiment in Thailand as a result of World War 2. For example, you can sweep with the side of the foot, but not the bottom because that's "too much like judo".

>>241179
You can't sweep without establishing grips, it's considered a kick by the rules if i remember correctly. Also you should turn your foot and hit with your sole in judo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BUUvqxi_Kk

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>>241293
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

Gonna start Muay Thai this week. Used yo do boxing, last time was in september 2021, haven't done much exercising since.

I'd like shoot boxing a lot more if the clinches didn't get reset, and the match straight-up ended when someone fell.

>>241179
In Judo, you will learn to throw off your opponent's balance, then sweep him. Here you will use his own momentum against him, much more like Aikido.

>"For a beginner in Muay Thai, start with a less frequent training schedule, such as 1-2 times a week, to let your body adjust to the intense workouts. As you become accustomed to the physical demands, you can gradually increase the frequency to 3-5 times a week to see faster improvement and potentially compete"

Is this true or should one be training the most when just starting out to build muscle memory?

>>241700
i would imagine you'd want to go light on the conditioning and heavy on the technical work to start with- it'll probably depend on your coach though

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>ANPO SIGNED WITH ONE FUCK YEAH
>see who his debut is against
uh oh

>>241179
Muay thai has stricter rules about sweeps, lots of judo sweeps are actually illegal
The very rough rule of thumb is a sweep that looks like a kick is okay, but using the pad of the foot, or the heel to the rear (e.g. osoto gari) is illegal and might be called by the ref
It's specifically because thais don't like japanese, for uh no reason whatsoever, so they don't want japanese judo-ey sweeps in their sport, but the reality of kickboxing is that you can kick out someone's leg, so the result is a specific way to sweep that is fine

Hey, fatty fat fat here, I took my first class today, couple questions.
>1. my coach said I get the best bang for my buck if I order proper muay thai boxing gloves with pinky protection from the head coach, they sell for about twice of what the cheapest pair of Outshock boxing gloves cost in Sports Direct, scam or deal?
>2. What the hell am I supposed to do when someone advances on me and keeps a combo up in sparring?
>3. I did a tiny bit of boxing and I noticed the guys never defend body jabs and they have trouble defending jabs in general, specifically square down the middle, am I onto something or am I being retarded here and unkowingly exposing myself for a knee or something when I change level and do a body jab?

>>242600
>my coach said I get the best bang for my buck if I order proper muay thai boxing gloves with pinky protection from the head coach, they sell for about twice

Lol

>>242600
>>242607
What the fuck even is "pinky protection"?

>>242609
I don't fucking know I just started, he said there's a reinforced part over the pnky side so when you block a kick your finger doesn't break.

>>242612
That sounds like some ole made up bullshit

>>242615
Idk maybe he meant that instead of having most of the padding around the knuckles it's more even or something? It's like 60 bucks so idk if it's worth it.

>>240529
I started kick boxing today.

>>242423
yea idk what ONE is thinking matching him up with Grigorian, this gonna end up like kaitos debut if not worse

>>242948
How did you find it?

>>243335
well, people were also doubting with Noiri against Tawanchai and look how that ended up
[spoiler]Anpo looks like Tawanchai's evil brother lmao[/spoiler]

>>243337
My legs are wood, the stretching is killing me but it's cool.

So I almost signed up to the MT/ kickboxing gym but then It made me download some app and then all of a sudden the membership prices are mysteriously higher in the app, and some of the classes advertised on their website no longer exists on the app so I thought fuck that..

Did I dodge a bullet? Seems like a dishonest practice

>>244221
Gyms have apps? Is that common? I've never seen that.

>>244250
Yeah apparently. Where you have to "pre book" the session. I'm guessing it's so you can't go more than your membership allows

It's clearly a "reputable" and fancy gym, the guys been around for years. I just find it dishonest that suddenly once you download the app and fill in your details, classes are suddenly missing and memberships are either more expensive or unavailable, compared to the website (which says it's supposed to be accurate)

And the only way to buy membership is through the app. Oh well

>>244250
If it makes more sense, it's a generic app called "club right". I'm guessing multiple clubs use it for members to book sessions etc

>>244221
It could be deliberate or it could just be a lazy lack of synchronization. Sounds annoying to deal with either way.

>>244250
>>244253
One of the weightlifting gyms near me uses some kind of generic membership app (forget what it's called, don't feel like looking it up). From reading reviews of the app it looks like all kinds of gyms use it and that people find all kinds of problems with it but gym owners keep using it anyway because they're lazy and it's "good enough." I don't want to download an app to use the gym (particularly if the app has tedious problems) so I didn't join and bought weights to use at home instead.

>>244255
Yeah stuff like this really puts me off. I noticed a LOT of martial arts gyms are very vague when it comes to pricing. It's all either "call this number" so they can bullshit you or you have to really dig hard to find the pricing.
I don't think they know how many customers they are losing thanks to unprofessional shit like this. First impressions are everything in business

>>240529
Suggestions for youtube channels with good info like training, techniques, not matches?

>>244495
Jeff-chan, Bazooka Joe, Gabriel Varga, Damien Trainor, Ramsey Dewey, PowerTraining, hard2hurt, Armchair Violence, ShortBoxing, Bambara Boxing, Skillr boxing, The Modern Martial Artist, George Hardwick, Bas Rutten, Liam Harrison, Bang & Pivot. These are the most recurring ones in my training playlist, and i gotta say, these channels + watching and imitating fighters i like improved my game immensely

>>240529
Is 1 year MT 3 days a week enough to become dangerous?

Just did kicks on the heavy bag for the first time

Even though I aimed to hit with my shin, my foot caught the bag a few times, and now my toes and foot are bruised

I can stand and walk on them, but it stings if I move them around.

Is this normal? will my feet toughen up over time?
Wait until the bruises have gone or train through it?

>>245164
Yes it's normal, you can keep training unless you train every day and the pain is really bad.

>>245205
Thanks

>>240529
I have my first match coming up soon. How do you overcome the fear? I'm scared shitless to get hurt or knocked out
like these
>>242674
>>242821

>>245213
i'm 13 fights in and still scared kek i dont think the fear ever goes away

>>245513
Did he die?

Where do I aim for on the head/face in sparring?

Is there an etiquette for it? I figured in boxing it was top of the forehead if you're being "nice"

>>245606
I was told to punch for the forehead

should i get into kickboxing or muay thai? zero experience in martial arts

>>246993
Kickboxing is better

Tbh 99% of places are just cardio kickboxing labelled as muay Thai

>>246994
How do you know it's one of those places? No sparring?

Been training for 3 months as a total beginner, boxing is so much fun guys. Sure it hurts taking punch to the head, but you know, that's part of the reason why it is so fun. I have also enrolled in the next 6 months learning kickboxing.

>>246993
I'm a total beginner too, and the roadmap that the instructors gave me is boxing -> kickboxing -> muay thai -> mma.
As for sparring, my class usually do it in the last training day of the week, since you can take quite the damage and the weekend will heal you up. Other than that, you could try asking the people there to spar with you, or even the instructors to spar with you. I prefer the instructors since they are pro and they know to control the punching power.
Honestly, my advice is to find the closest mma gym close to your home/ your workspace and enroll, stop thinking too much. The day I enroll, I don't even know what the fuck going on. I just enroll and entrust the process to the instructors.

>>247388
>>246994
i hear you, but i just really want to get into muay thai right off the bat. spent some time watching vids of it to hype me up. how much should classes per month be? cause im in LA, by the LAX area and everything here seems to be $200 a month minimum. I also have to worry about the schedule cause i work full time but in the evenings.

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>>247460
> i just really want to get into muay thai right off the bat
I mean if you insist to get right into muay thai, you do you. But personally, I think it's a really silly thought. You said you've never done any martial art before, and jumping right into muay thai is like, jumping right into coding a full stack application when you've never done a single leetcode in you life(if you get the coding reference). It's ridiculous, the teachers might just laugh behind their back, and the more experienced students will absolutely kick your shit in during sparring. Not to mention how brutal it is jumping head first to the hardest training, you might just quit. I think it's better to move gradually anon, you should treat martial arts as something you will do for the rest of your life, not just something you can rush a few months and be done with it.

>how much should classes per month be
I don't live in America so i don't know, just go and ask them bro. Contact them through social media or something, all training camps have them nowadays. But probably they will hide the true price, usually they are a little more expensive than what they initially advertised on the web. Over here, mine is around 40 dollar per month, and you paid 6 months in advance.

>I also have to worry about the schedule cause i work full time but in the evenings.
They usually have classes from dawn till dusk, so maybe in the afternoon or in the early morning?

>>247500
i hear you. if thats the case then what decided if id be ready to move into kickboxing etc

>>247591
the most important part is getting started, anon. Just do it, it doesn't matter if it 's not the optimal choice. Just do it, even if you chose the wrong thing, it's still a lesson to be learnt. Still so much better than spending time thinking, and then wasting of that effort doing nothing in the end.

>>247645
/thread

booked my first trial session at an mma gym for boxing. thank you anony

>>245213
How did it go? I also just had another one

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he did the thing

>>248022
yoza was fucking great, shame noiri and anpo shat the bed...

watching one 173
Akimoto didnt win that fight against wei rui, chatri gift i suppose.
Is this suakim guy retarded? just punch the body. He's headhunting against a guy with 1 arm.

>>248127
and he gets the tko lol

Marat looking like the best dutch style has to offer, airtight defense. Look thick. Solid. Tight.
Sharp hands broke down anpo

>>248130
Takeru fought with a chip on his shoulder after 2 losses for sure
Nadaka just insane as per usual
Superbon vs Noiri looks like a replay of superbon vs marat

>recently moved to a new place
>no kickboxing nearby, join boxing gym
>my jab is absolutely shit tier
It was good for kickboxing, sad
>>248022
Will they give him winner of Haggerty/Anane?
Or perhaps the loser?
>Nabil Anane is a 6'4 bantamweight
Christ

>>248887
as a kickboxer, getting your hands tested by an actual boxer is a bottom 1 humbling experience
>>248022
been obsessed with Yoza, unfortunately my feet are not made of uranium like his so it's been hard learning all his little tricks. love his high guard though, gets me mauled in muaythai but super effective in K-1 rules

>>249012
>my feet are not made of uranium like his
you referring to the toe kicks or the instep/foot kicks?

>>249012
>>249044
Fucking love yoza
He demonstrates some of his kicks with Masato here, definitely uses the ball of the foot for his yoza kick
https://youtu.be/S3xbyraaSEk (15:48)
Also he says he runs 30km a day, three 10k runs every day, based
Also I'm only just discovering that there seem to be a lot more videos of him in japanese, here's him sparring with takeru for example
https://youtu.be/2FO6LGImYds
He paywalls the sparring vids on his own channel though

>>249199
>30km a day, three 10k runs every day
im sorry what
if its true, it's even more retarded than the thais

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>>249204
Going by the auto subtitles, apparently

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>>249205
he's absolutely crazy if he actually does this

Thoughts on the Pi Java? I was watching ONE and kinda missed the music, it gives the fights an exotic and kind of ugly feeling, like you're watching something you shouldnt be allowed to see.

>>249389
Thoughts on the what, now?

>>249390
The flute thats played during Muay Thai fights. Personally I love all the superstitious bullshit like wearing a bit of your moms clothes on your bicep.

>>249394
Oh ok, yeah the music is kino

>>249207
must be on some peptides that help with ligament healing. No way his knees can take that

>>249199
>he says he runs 30km a day, three 10k runs every day
Is that even possible to do alongside all the other training? There are some that run 40km multiple days in a row, but it is often presented as a short term challenge, and running marathons is all they train for. Is Japan one of those cultures where you are just expected to lie as an athlete? Feels like it was super common in the past to see insane made up workout routines, but at least in the west it has died down.

>>249476
well i know a lot of thais simply lie about going on the runs their coaches tell them to do (Buakaw, for example)

>>249481
lol what? do you have the interview? maybe he's joking

>>249494
Couldnt find him saying it himself but this vid talks about it
https://youtu.be/aFST6JtIO3k?si=ADnVolwmOoG0nkgM&t=171
From timestamp to about 4 mins. Rest of the vid is also a big redpill on this running BS

>>24449
>>244501
Precision Striking (especially Teddy Atlas)
Lawrence Kenshin
Sitjaopho (lots of great sparring footage on their personal channel)
Sam Hyde/Candyman

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Last week of my gyms training semester and I still can't spar due to a tooth concussion.

>>249585
Did you see a dentist?

>>249624
Yes, it felt almost loose and was painful to eat/brush. I didn't want to lose a tooth, so I was extra cautious. He said it seemed like a clear "tooth concussion" and probably not any nerve damage. He advised me to check in again in 3 weeks to be sure and make sure not to get hit there again.

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Time flies, I finished my 3 months boxing training. Still completely shit at sparring, of course, but it is a huge achievement for a quick quitter like me. I can't believe that I have never skipped a session due to laziness during this time. Maybe we're all gonna make it bros.
Started kickboxing the other day, both my legs are fucked. But it feels good, on the inside.

>>249731
Keep going anon

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I have my second amateur fight in Muay-thai in 3 days and I'm more nervous than I was for my first even though I am, by all accounts, more prepared for this one than the previous, which I lost. That is all

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>>250240
I am going into my 4th Muay Thai fight also in 3 days. WAGMI, anonski.

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>>250242
Good luck fren

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>>250244
If you're the anon who's also fighting, good luck to you too. Don't forget to smash him

>>250240
>>250242
>3 days
Any of you two happen to be in Sweden? Maybe it is just a coincidence. Either way, good luck.

>>250344
Nah i'm in Brazil, Swedebro

>>240529
Where's Lethwei?

>>240529
Got tired of being a bitch and want to start going to classes again. How old are you all that still compete?
>>250240
>>250242
How was it?

>>250540
I'm >>250242. Lost on points, was a good scrap tho.

Poor Tawanchai, man...
Noiri vs Liu 2 now?

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>>250976
wtf is Liu ackshually good?

how the fuck do you call that shit fighters do for show in the backstage room, when the presenters say "hey, remember this dude? yeaaah. He is still warming up. He will fight...eventually. HE IS THERE. INDEED. WAITING" and they show the dude throwing combinations at the camera??
I'm trying to find some and either nobody made videos or I'm lacking the excact words to land results on advanced search

>>250976
Superbon needs an opponent, he can't just wait 10 months or so for the winner of Marat vs Liu.
I don't think Chatri is too enthusiastic about Bon vs Marat 4

>>241179
Sweeps in judo are better in the sense that they break posture by breaking balance by pushing them into their toes or heels, as opposed to kickboxing sweeps where they break posture by muscling them down and pushing or pulling to bend their spine.

The act of unbalancing the opponent still requires strength, however if you do it like in judo by moving their weight forward to their toes, back to their heels, side to side or a combination of all, its a lots easier to do because its a smaller movement even if the guy is bigger and stronger and if you successfully broke their balance, you can throw anyone even if they are much bigger and stronger than you, the hard part is that if you break someone balance like this they can recover instantly and you need to perform the technique at the same time or it won't work.
Meanwhile with kickboxing and even wrestling takedowns, because you need to muscle down the opponent, if they are stronger you won't throw them no matter what, the advantage is that if you break their posture it they won't be able to recover quickly like in judo and you have more time to commit to your sweep.

The guy jn the webm didn't do either method though, he timed his sweep to the opponent punch which makes things even easier if the opponent is advancing and you catch them before they plant their feet because there is no weight on their leg and are basically out of balance.
The guy leg was planted though but his weight wasn't on the lead leg which made the sweep work, had he had his weight on the front leg the sweep would have made him stumble at best.

So i just described 4 sweeping methods, in a clinch you move their weight as you sweep, you bend their spine out of place and then sweep, you time the sweep as they punch but before they plant their lead feet or if they aren't commiting to the punch by placing their weight on the front leg you sweep anyways.

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Where is he?

Should I add kyokushin or Muay Thai to my once or twice weekly judo routine?

>>252714
Im a weeb so im biased towards kyokushin but the clinch in muay thai complements judo perfectly.
If possible i would suggest to do both or train in kyokushin for a while and then go to muay thai.
Kyokushin imo has better kickboxing combinations allowing you to throw boxing combos with a much higher variety of kicks, obviously it lacks head punches but kyokushin has a fairly active guard for body punches wich will make transferring those skills to head punches much more easily, basically once you get to muay thai you will only need to learn to parry head punches the same way you parry body punches in kyokushin and learn the clinch as opposed if you start with muay thai where you will have to learn everything it has to offer.
Muay thai also typically uses shorter combinations and although the roundhouse and teeps are more powerful than in kyokushin, kyokushin kicks are from a chamber which means you can land leg, middle and highkicks from close range as opposed to thai kicks that can only land from middle and long range and the combinations in miay thai tend to be shorter.

Both offer unique and very useful striking skills so if possible it would be best to do both to be well rounded but muay thai has the clinch wich mixes with judo better, still do kyokushin lol.

>>252969
Thank you. I would go with the Kyokushin place, but the MT place is more convenient. Unfortunately I just lost my side hustle so I’m strapped for cash and can’t afford it anymore

>>252969
that's bull man
kicking mechanics is not very different. Once you know how power is generated with your body you can kick at any range, not every kick needs full hip turn over. See Superbon vs Ozcan or Petrosyan

>>253529
Its not a big difference but is very significant, once you get good you can cut corners and do it differently than you were thought but getting there is where the difference is more significant.
It is a fact than a snappy chamber kick and a swing with full hip turn have different applications and karate and muay thai focus on them respectively.

>>253531
kyokushin at competition level teaches you very mean low kicks and very tight high kick. But the tight high kick is very sport specific because they keep their hands low for no face punches.

Fight day soon, what should i do anons? First time ever, I have never done this before. Only boxing btw.

>>253579
Have fun

>>253579
Take the initiative, don't overcommit, put your guard up or move away when you stop throwing punches, attack as soon as they stop throwing punches.

>>253579
bite his ear

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>>253579
>two weeks later
How did it go anon?

>>254260
he ded

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>>254506
not as ded as this thred

>>241361
what?

>>254600
look at his kneecap dude

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>>254604

>>254604
But how?

>>254613
no idea

>>241293
Insane

For those of you who train often, do you almost always have some degree of pain in the lower leg and just power through it? I am starting to train 6 days a week and I can really feel the load it puts on my shins, calves and ankles. The lower part of my leg becomes a bit numb after training and has a constant, tiny bit of pain. Feels fine when I train and there is some blood flow, but a little annoying/painful after training. Is this to be expected or am I at the brink of getting injured?