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>>285769597
Alcides beats them

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I can't fight these urges for much longer.

>>285769806
What will happen when those urges overwhelm you? Please explain in detail

>>285769597
My fucking hero Artoria....and some other guys

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>>285769831
I will masturbate.

>>285769597
>Every Grand other then Saber are male
>Every Beaster other then Beast I are female
What did Basu mean by this?

>>285769597
you're missing Herc, Musashi, and Gil lol

>>285769597
Where are Herc and Gil?

>>285769881
You can really tell how biased the guy that made that chart is when Musashi was grand saber in the grand duels, and anon changed it because he wanted to mislead people that don't know any better.

>>285770010
Musashi was explicitly called not canon while Lord Logres was referred to as the Grand Saber in game.

How would Musashi react if she met Sigma?

>>285769597
Who are all of these?

>>285770115

Gatcha garbage.

>>285770115
Lord Lorgres (Perfect Artoria), Orion, Romulus-Quirinus (God of Rome), Noah, Merlin, Solomon, First Hassan, First Hassan (younger), and Tezcatlipoca (supreme god of the Aztecs).

>>285769965
They are mid

>>285770209
Neat. Thanks.
Fate/Strange Fake 2: Even Stranger should make all of them fight.

You can tell OP is that one saberfag again who constantly wants all FSF discussion to be "Secret saber threads only about saber and how she's the bestest and strongest, lemme bring up FSN". He always makes the OP image into saber images.

>>285770209
Noah is Rider? And what does he ride? The fucking Ark? Is his Noble Phantasm the literal Flood too?

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These are the only three Heroic Spirits whom are known to be Gatekeepers.
Where's the connection? What invisible thread ties this lore together?

>>285770304
https://youtu.be/JdfuVImyXHw?si=CT9AjM3TeMKFoCJG&t=22

>>285769597
I still don't get the rationale behind Lord Logres, Romulus and Tez being Grands.

>>285770304
> And what does he ride? The fucking Ark?
Yeah, and the ark turns into a mecha of course.

>>285770381
>Gil has a Gate of Babylon and he's keeping it
>Galahad keeps the Gate to the Realm of God
>Leviathan is jealously watching everything

>>285770390
Ah yes, Biblically accurate mech and beam cannons.

>>285770416
Mechashit is ruining Fate lore

>>285770456
Everything in modern TM is robots
Everyone kinda hates it, except Nasu
People hate how Nasu wants so badly to write sci fi but every time he writes sci fi its super unpopular, so instead he just turns all mythology into sci fi until he can force people to like it, except instead of liking it people just hate it more

Saber IS the Fate franchise. She IS Type-Moon. Like it or not, that's not favoritism that's a fact.

>>285770451
Maybe Moby Dick/Leviathan is the ocean's gatekeeper? Idk. What would a big whale guard.

>>285769597
What does the goat head symbol mean?

>>285770399
>Lord Logres
Should be obvious
>Romulus
Rome is his lance or something
>Tez
Just took the position since KH gave it away and no one else qualified, Azrael has it now anyway

>>285769597
Bro, you forgot your ORT. ...And Arguably Olga Marie i guess... And BB...

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>>285769597
This list is still incomplete.

>>285770565
>And BB...
Archetype: Earth is described as the truest and most powerful Mooncancer in OC3.

>>285770545
I've lots gallons to PakopaCause 2.9.

>>285770523
Berserker

>>285770847
That was before Golden BB was made though.

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People arguing over power levels and ranking like their trading cards... and here I am enjoying the subtle romance between a flawed rock and roll Euro King and his hot dog swallowing Aryan jap master.

Give me a Fake Saber following the theme of other Fake Servants.

>>285771081
the first caveman to wield a stick

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>>285771081
Notice all the fake servants are on the top, and all the true servants are on the bottom
With Saber being the only one in both images

He's inbetween fake and true

>>285771081
>>285771173
There is no validity to calling Richard "Fake Saber". If a seventh Saber Servant could've been summoned, there was no need for the "pump-priming" setup at all. They would've just had a regular holy grail war.

>>285769965
herc is grand berserker

>>285771173
>FAK
>FAT

What did they mean by this?

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>>285771979

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Find the pattern.

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>Assassin with A rank agility
>human plebs can fend them off
Fucking Hassan has A rank agility too, and Archer kicked his ass.
This got to be a joke at this point.

>>285772421
EX rank NP: servants whose NP overturns the battlefield completely and change the rules more often than just killing their enemy.
A rank NP: servants who violently kill the enemy with their NP. Their NP is their real strength, even if they can fight without it, they decide things with it.
B rank NP: servants whose NP assists the fight but rarely wins it, or the NP is a backup strategy when all else fails.
C rank NP: servants who primarily fight without their NPs, using their NPs as strict trump cards or backup to their main strategy of outskill or overpower the enemy traditionally.

>>285772661
>no presence concealment

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>>285772700
Explain his ass then.

>>285772661
No normal human deals with her to any degree.
Sigma is already undergoing servantification by the time he summons Watcher.

>>285772064
Of course Ayaka gets the peach...

>>285772700
It's right there, rank A-.

>>285772661
Agility is annoying because it can mean multiple things. A character with high Agility might either be really fast, really agile/dexterous or both. Just because a Servant has high Agility doesn't necessarily mean they're necessarily gonna outspeed everyone in a footrace. In fact, actual AGILity seems to be a more dominant factor in deciding your AGI stat than raw speed sometimes.

>>285772758
seems to be agile/dex for Assassin.
Cu has A rank agility, and he was kicking Archer's ass.

>>285769597
Is each Grand supposed to counter a particular Beast?

>>285772800
Most likely.

>>285772661
Reminder that her knockoff Zabaniya's are recreations not copies. Zealot did her best to create the same overall effect from her people's history even if the method was different. For example her version of slipping past barriers is destroying them all at once and blitzing the enemy (what she did in the police station).

>>285772809
So why did King Hassan lose his status by fighting a Beast? What the fuck is Alaya's problem?

>>285769597
amazing. every design is shit except hassan

>>285772696
Not a bad take actually, but unfortunately there're people like Karna, Arjuna and Arthur at EX whose NPs are just very big beams.
I used to think the NP stat meant ease of spamming the NP, but reconsidered for the fact that Karna and Arjuna are there.

>>285772800
Yes.
Beast I:Grand Caster
Beast II:Grand Assassin
Beast III:Grand Berserker? (Beast III is always Mara, and Berserker can't fall for seduction)
Beast IV:Grand Archer
Beast V:Grand Saber? (???)
Beast VI:Grand Rider
Beast VII:Grand Lancer? (Beast VII is always "made by man" while Grand Lancer seems to have "the reach of all mankind")

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>>285772856
Counter Forces are not intelligent. They have rules and these rules are absolute. There is no credit system and no contextual exemptions.
He wasn't under official deployment pursuant to the Heroic Spirit Summoning Ritual. A Grand Servant is only allowed to deploy in its Grand Servant container when the world says so. Doing so of his own accord, even to fight a Beast on his own terms, the world can only say "hmm, no, illegal, get out".

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Y'all niggas ain't even ready

>>285770791
>Samson
literally Zealot victim

>>285772856
If he's gonna fight a Beast, he should do so purely in the capacity of a Grand. In choosing to obey the Master of Chaldea's orders, he is giving up his right the be a Grand.

>>285772967
>>285773012
lmao that sounds very inefficient, there can't be that many grand candidates, wouldn't it run out rather quickly if it's that sensitive?

>>285772967
>They have rules and these rules are absolute.
Does this rule include turning people brown for some reasons?

>>285773053
>there can't be that many
Bro, it's from ALL time and space.

>>285773072
What is the point in "firing" them then?

>>285773053
Counter Forces are not intelligent, and you have to understand Babylonia was a very unusual situation that involved no less than three Beasts. (Beast II activated because Beast I made a singularity because Beast VII was activating in this timeline) It's not common at all in any world for there to be such a devastating blow against humanity causing the counter force to be so utterly undermined as it was in that moment.

>>285773072
Still limited
There are only a handful of heroes per grand class

Luckily there’s even less beasts

>>285770791
>Salomon
Grand Caster
>Noah
Grand Rider
>Galahad
If there were a ride for extra classes, it would be the Grand Ruler
>Moses
Surpasses the entire Egyptian pantheon and Ozymandias, who is tier Karna/Gil
>Sansom
As strong as the entire Japanese pantheon plus all the Buddhas combined
>Longinus
His spear rivals Rhongomyniad's, and he is the strongest servant in a world where all humans have a servant as a companion
What is Nasu trying to tell us?

>we could NEVER show le REAL HERC because he's too strong!
Motherfucker we just got full power enkidu and gil playing NP nuke tennis followed by the BIBLICAL horseman of death interrupting. It isn't that deep

>>285773439
It's probably not about his strength. Herakles is strong, but given the current state of FGO, he'd "only" be one of like two or three dozen top-class Servants. He's the best of the best, sure, but there are like three hundred unique Servants now and the bar's gotten real goddamn low since Fate/stay night.

>>285773528
His God Hand is awful NP thought. While other top-tier servants can do some cool things and mid-tier servants can struggle but still win - Hercules could just die and respawn. He looks even more like a fraud than a strong hero.

>>285773617
That's irrelevant in FGO. God Hand would be sealed. Also, the thing about God Hand is that it's not actually supposed to be replenished over and over. That's only thanks to Ilya.

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>>285771173
Wtf is Alcides doing here?

>>285773731
Admiring his own dick.

>>285773731
Reminds me of that fucking gremlin stance. Or possibly *autistic screeching*

>>285772967
Counter Force has always been more retarded than actual useful.

>>285773797
Counter Force has no intelligence. It's more like an automated defense system, created from humanity as a whole. If you think the Counter Force is stupid, you only have humanity to blame.

>>285773167
...Galahad is Grand Ruler? The fuck? Did they just forget that Jeanne is a thing? How is she not it? Galahad is not even an actual Ruler, he's a Shielder. Goddamn britwank, Nasu just can't help himself.

>>285773918
There's no such thing as a Grand Ruler. That's just his conjecture.

>>285773731
He's about to jump, most likely to do a cannonball. Probably destroying the pool in the process.

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Haram

>>285773918
Extra Classes have no Grands.

>>285773942
Checking the wiki and it does mention that FGO's story says that if there were a Grand Ruler then it would undoubtedly be Galahad, since he's "the strongest judge in any Holy Grail War".

Jeanne wouldn't make for a good "Grand" Ruler. Rulers have to be absolutely impartial, and Jeanne isn't known for her impartiality.

>>285773918
Jeanne might be popular but she's just not that special all things considered.

>>285769965
I think the main reason neither are Grands is that there is just no reason. Ea already can deal with some Beasts via sheer power and anti-World status. And regular Archer Herc seems to be a match for calamities like Gugalanna so I assume he's in a similar boat.

>>285774192
Has that always been the case? Can't remember a Ruler's impartiality being such a big deal. I mean look down the list: Ibuki, Karl, Gil, Morgan. Hardly impartial people.

>>285774192
Neither does Galahad given the shit he told Guda in Lostroom.

>>285774385
Gil is good at being impartial because he doesn't give a shit about anyone except himself.

>>285774385
Most of them aren't "proper" Rulers. The first and most fundamental purpose for Rulers is to act as impartial judges. They exist to enforce the rules, but it's not their job to make those rules and it certainly isn't their job to take sides. Nearly all Rulers end up failing at this point.

>>285774491
>They exist to enforce the rules
Holy Grail Wars have rules?

>>285774407
He is the most impartial character in all of Fate according to the most recent lore. So much so that Mashu becoming slightly biased causes his shield to reject her since she needs to remain 100% pure to wield it. At all times he's just making objective observations, pretty much.

>>285774517
They have to pretend they do at least.

>>285774517
Sort of. Most things that we might consider "rules" aren't true rules, but in the case of Holy Grail Wars, Rulers exist as sort of a contingency to prevent things from going out of control. They normally only surface when the conditions for a Great Holy Grail War occur (i.e., rather than a seven-way battle royale, it instead becomes a 7v7 war between two sides).

>>285774526
>So much so that Mashu becoming slightly biased causes his shield to reject her since she needs to remain 100% pure to wield it.
Is this like the case with Shirou when his mind has to be extremely opened so he can use UBW?

>>285774517
Yeah, that's why everyone is always trying to game the rules of the HGW. Rulers were created as judges for these phenomena, so the rules aren't actually those imposed by humans, but the rules of the Human Order.

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>>285774002
This is why thou art a failure. Present thy head

>>285769597
Hilarious how the CF was to keep making up bullshit when it comes to Grand Assassin since First Hassan bailed out. Tezco is filling in just because he fits the old man and mountain part and Azrael is just FH but kinda worse.
The only skilled worker left and the boss can't find someone as qualified

my headcanon is that berserker for the first two HGWs was Beowulf both times, since he's the most famous berserker ever

>>285774149
ORT is Grand Foreigner, kys

>>285774578
Kinda. Mashu's case happened when someone explained to her that she was starting to value some lives over others, and she had an identity crisis over that, since what allows one to use Galahad's shield is the desire to protect all life indiscriminately. Mashu was starting to want to protect some people more than others which made her out of sync with Galahad and caused her to lose the Shielder class. Mashu was originally raised by FGO's big bad to be as pure as Galahad so she could use his powers, so she was devoid of the emotional context that caused her to value some above others. Galahad was born like that naturally though, from having the nature of an angel.

It's always weird how just because the rules get broken, people assume there are no rules. Of course there are rules. If there weren't any, then what's there to break in the first place? If I'm playing basketball and violently tackle the opposing side, does that somehow mean it's not against the rules to do just that?

Wait, the professor magic dude is the same guy who summoned Alexander the great (The best character in fate)?
Also if the dog dies im nuking someone

>>285774664
That fucker made up his resume

>>285774696
Yeah he shows up a lot because twink daddy is a big thing in Japan

>>285774707
Still got the job
GG

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>>285774671
Wasn't she always like that though? She always prioritized the Master of Chaldea over everyone else.

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>>285774728
it's not fucking fair

>>285774418
But he isn't

>>285774741
You'd think so but since Lostbelt 7 they started pushing the idea that this wasn't always the case.

MASHU HATE

MASHU LOVE

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I love her.

>>285774192
Ruler Hammurabi when

>>285772967
The counterforce may be retarded but I think we will see a new generation shoring of it up.

Sigma and Team Chaldea (you know lev, guda, olga, da vinci etc) seem like great people to be roped in to pre-emptively deal with threats. Thinking of it like Celestial Being from Gundam.

>>285774826
Lilith....
>>285774843
Bartholomew....

>>285774826
>>285774843
MASU LOVES LIONS

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How can Gilkek even compete? The very concept of Knight of Owner seems IMPOSSIBLE to Hippolyta.

>>285769597
I need more Zealot

>>285774843
MASHU MASHU

>>285769597
Why are there so many fujo-coded men?

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>the enemies can steal noble phantasm?
>don't worry, leave it to me

>>285775341
This guy is undoubtedly the MVP back when I played the game more used and useful than any grand

>>285775341
MY FUARKING HERO

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>proceeded to blame himself after this instead of realizing something was wrong
Herc is dumb

>>285774696
Waver is a very reoccurring character in universe

His older version was actually made before his young version

He has his own series

>>285774578
FSN pretty much said no matter what answer Shirou reaches he'll develop his reality marble, as long as he understands himself fully. Each RM will be entirely different based on his answer. All it requires is understanding of the self

In Prisma UBW looks like a frozen world. This is because his heart grew cold, his world froze over after Sakura was gone. He never became a hero, he never made the promise for Kiritsugu, but he still wished to save miyu even if he had to keep killing.

On UBW it looks the same as archers except with a clear sky

In HF it looks like a wasteland with nothing but clear sky, the gears and swords are gone. The symbolism for this should be obvious when you understand that for archer each of the swords in the ground is supposed to represent gravestones, archer is weighed down by UBW as a reminder of his sins, while for HF Shirou he's removed the weight and only sees clear skies. Although you only see HF UBW for one scene right before he fights black berserker

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Cups are on top of me

>>285775341
>Regular arrows are as strong as an NP even without using an NP
>Can see the future
>Only archer that ozzymandias respects
>His grand feat in life is shooting an arrow over 1550 miles(2500 kilometers)

>>285774716
>>285775629
I see thats kinda cool, dont know alot about the series, only seen fate/zero and now watching the strange fake one

>>285774843
It is factual (head)canon that Ritsuka and Mashu met, fell in love, and had lots of children

>>285775341
Arash-sama,please spare my servant's life...

>>285775538
If he wasn't such a weak willed bottom, maybe Hera wouldn't have been able to drive him mad

>>285775271
Only female players roll males, male players only roll females. The rest of the units like are just bait that they throw in once in a blue moon to bait people like furries and actual gays.

>>285775801
Excuse you, some of the boys are actually useful

>>285775769
El-Melloi II Case's Files. The anime adapted one volume of the novels (10 volumes) with some anime original.
Adventures of El-Melloi II. Case Files' sequel, still ongoing. If you're interested with wider world, it's for you.

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>>285775830

>>285775830
Thanks anon!

>>285775748
shit like this would demotivate anyone.
I can see why Archer sticks to swords when his range is a mere shitty 4 kilometers compare to Arash or the Greek archers.

>>285775814
Useful doesn't mean that you will actually whale for it. Most male banners usually earn a lot lower than female banners, but on big gachas it will still reach like 10-15+ million usd per banner - assuming you actually pander to the paying customer. Fate still pays lip service and can rarely introduces bulky looking male characters and whatnot. But the 3D gachas that cost a lot more money than Fate to maintain have given up on all pretence - they basically don't release male characters at all and any they release are slim, feminine and handsome looking males for girls.

>>285775697
If he doesn't have the swords in his RM what is it good for?

>>285775967
It's largely pointless without a healthy supply of Noble Phantasms, yeah. That said, he does see a good number of NPs in every route. As for HF, it really depends on whether Archer's database integrated itself properly with Shirou's.

>>285776037
Thought she was Kohaku at first

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hmm Gilfags???

>>285769965
It's obviously made by a seething shitposter

>>285775967
That's the funny part. Shirou wouldn't have beaten Gil if Gil didn't give him so much ammo to shoot back.

>>285775967
projecting random mundane things.
Archer can apparently project a boat for some reasons.

>>285776232
How is he supposed to prove that bootlegs are inferior if there are no bootlegs?

>>285775697
>>285776051
Didn't he lose memory like every time he tried to project in HF?

>>285776269
His memory doesn't matter probably. UBW is set to automatically download and store any sword he sees. The question is whether Shirou was able to copy/paste Archer's entire library.

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>>285776090

>>285776248
He was always able to project anything its just that the RM was tailored towards swords with everything else too mana inefficient. With unlimited mana he'd be OP.

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Will we see this next episode?

>>285776476
>Breaks in through the window alerting everyone to her presence
>Immediately fires off her NP head on, misses and reveals her class
>Get flashbanged and caught off guard
>When all else fails engage in melee out in the open
Why is she such a fuck up? Is this the worst assassin in the fate series?

>>285776309
woman's hand posted this.

>>285776427
and then Nasu nerfed it again.
>Ackushally, he could only project weapons
>he projected a fishing rod
>err it doesn't count.

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>>285776565
PIXIV's fanfics is unexpectedly inferior to EN when it come to Gil/Saber. The fan arts are the best, though.

>>285776571
>Don't think about it too much
>t. Nasu, probably

>>285776553
She got kicked out of Hassan school, she is a fake assassin.

>>285776553
Because dispite how ridiculously gifted Zealot is, she's genuinely stupid (which makes her even cuter).

>>285776628
>Gilgamesh, Fake Archer
Doesn't use bow.
>Pale Rider, Fake Rider
Only has Rider in its name.
>Dumas, Fake Caster
Is not a mage.
>Jack, Fake Berserker
Isn't berserk.
>Zealot, Fake Assassin
Failed assassin.
>Enkidu, Fake Lancer
Using its body as weapon.

>Alcides, True Archer
Bowman.
>Hippo, True Rider
Ride a horse.
>Spooky Hassan, True Assassin
So good at his job nobody know him.
>Francois, True Caster
Is a mage.
>Sigma, True Lancer
Will die if poked.
>..., True Berserker
Actually berserk.

>Richard, Fake/True Saber
Final boss?

>>285775538
I mean, he did it himself. You can say whatever you want about curses but still, pretty hard to erase the memory of doing it with your own hands.

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>>285776553
In my opinion she is worse

>>285776725
Bazdilot is right, he should stop making excuses

>>285776704
>Sigma, True Lancer
>Will die if poked.
But Francesca was constantly poking him until three years ago

>>285774648
since she not even an official Hassan, would KH even care?

>>285777137
Even if she were a real Hassan he wouldnt care because they are all turbo jobbers. She is just slightly more of a jobber than the rest.

The old man carrying the hassan's names on his back.

I cant think of a effective Hassan except the king himself.

>>285777244
Because the effective Hassan's appeared in the first 2 GW's and then everyone set-up counter measures against them

>>285777269
Surely, he will not eat her...

>>285775769
>watching reddit zero first
fucking dumb secondary
>>285774696
alexenader is a shit servant, get better taste

>>285774696
>The best character in fate
OROROROROOR BRO DUDE

>>285774356
>Ea already can deal with some Beasts via sheer power and anti-World status
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOO

>tfw no Chaplin joke
grim

>>285777698
Killed Tiamat by the way.

>>285777244
The assassin class container itself is also shit

>>285777923
>Killed tiamat after she was nerfed in the underworld, had her reality marble destroyed by the fgo protag, had the concept of death imposed on her by a grand and had her chaos tide stopped by another grand
Couldn't even pierce avalon

>>285777923
>After KH gave her the concept of death, Merlin neutralised her chaos tide and Ereshkigal took away her second immorality all the while her self seal took away 90% of her HP
Lmao

>>285777923
He didn't in the Manga lol. Tiamat's eye beam stalled Gil's Ea till Mash killed https://weloma.art/1101/227766/

>>285778010
>>285778022
>>285778066
Doesn't matter. He killed Tiamat.
Just like Alcides/Shirou defeated Gil.

>>285776628
100 faces called her a genius tbf, then again they just want to be normal

>>285778101
Their standards must be really low, thats why they are all jobbers

>>285774356
Then why did they asspull Naked Gilgamesh NP if EA was enough? EA is not enough it killing Tiamat was a very situational thing

>>285778131
Grand Gil's NP is the one that kills Tiamat in Myth wasn't it?

>>285778141
Yes Marduk bow

If a Ruler appeared in Snowfield to stop the shitshow (yeah yeah, I know they reportedly said a Ruler wouldn't be summoned), which heroic spirit would you like to be summoned as Ruler?
I really want Jason or Tezcatlipoca

>>285778066
>non canon manga

>>285777244
Spooky

>>285778233
>non canon
>In Fate
Lmao

>>285778101
Geniuses are very dumb
Just look at Richard

>>285778171
Morgan.

>>285778285
But Richard is a failure
His charisma is just so high that people willingly ignore his incompetence

>>285778300
Exactly my point
Richard is a genius and ended up like that

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This is Maiya around the time she gave birth to Sigma

>>285778233
Everything is canon in Nasuverse
The old Tsukihime canon for example still exists despite the remake

Chaplin servant when

>>285778406
OOC Zeus
That deadbeat only watched when his wife vented her anger on Herc
He never cared enough to hold his son like that

>>285769597
This show would've been a cultural phenomenon if it didn't release during this season

>>285778327
Zamn

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>>285769597
Grand Assassin should've went to Cain with MEoDP

>>285770381
The watcher looks super cool I wish they'd put it in a video game.

>>285778418
He also got mad when Herc scored a naiad he was eyeing and broke them up

>>285778565
>Shiki pseudo servant

>>285775911
ZZZ just released a buffed up robot lion man.

>>285776553
Cursed Arm is much worse, to my dismay. He's supposed to slit your throat with daggers or fire off Zabaniya at the exact right moment, but because Zouken is retarded and summons him as a retard he jobs to everyone in the cast.

I ain't gay but Alcides' english voice makes me feel things.

>>285778688
>Killed Cu
>Killed Medea
>Killed Saber
Cursed Arm has a ton of wins.

>>285778565
Nah that's stupid. There's absolutely no reason for Cain to have those eyes. Just because he was the first killer doesn't mean he has an innate understanding of death. He just murdered his brother in a fit of rage. He didn't truly understand what death was, and after God cursed him with immortality, he would have an even harder time understanding it.

Also, Grands are chosen to counter Beasts. What Beast is old "I hit him in with a rock!" supposed to counter? Besides, in the context of Type-Moon, he probably isn't actually the first killer. Texture nonsense means that there are like two dozen other figures who have just as much claim to the title as him, if not greater. Remember, Utnapishtim explicitly predates Noah, which thus places Sumerian mythology at an "earlier" point than Christianity.

>>285778171
Prelati believed that Jeanne would be summoned, and I wouldn't be surprised if she planned for it. Though her plans have gone awry, as is evidenced with Saber (much to her amusement). As for the Ruler, Karl would be fun. I hate that he's been relegated to being on the moon

>>285778512
It does have some hefty contenders with Frieren and JJK, but you gotta admit they had balls to stack up against the two.

>>285778717
There was never gonna be a Ruler in Fate/strange Fake. Fate/Apocrypha already started things off with the whole "fake/apocryphal saint" premise, and Karl/Charlemagne already blew their "fake VS real" load in Extella.

>>285778709
The Shadow ate Lancer
The Shadow ate Saber
Medea...fine

>>285778512
>implying shonen spic would care about Fate

>>285778111
Imagine how insane the sex with an amazon must be

>>285778734
Nigger, read the post I was responding to. It was a hypothetical

>>285778742
Only Heroes can tame that pussy.

>>285778747
Saber Herc is probably our last chance. Archer's a lost cause.

>>285778747
The lightning in his veins was a kino choice

>>285778765
>Saber Herc appears
>he is used as a bench mark like Berserker anyway
Be careful of Monkey paw.

>>285778747
>Genuinely good and simple design
It's over man, just by that virtue alone he's too kino to ever be put anywhere else

>>285778765
his sword was stolen by castoria
it's over

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>>285778747
can someone explain what the command spells did to him?

>>285778728
Haven’t seen Frieren, but it’s been miles better than JJK

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>>285778747
>Berserker wants Archer to fight this
He couldn't even get one life from this.

>>285778796
>He couldn't even get one life from this.
That's not even slander since there's maybe 5-6 servants who could take lives from him

>>285778775
The true monkey's paw is the fact that even now, Herc's only real chance is FGO.

>>285778787
It was King Arthur's sword to begin with. Much like how Durendal never existed in the Iliad and debuted in the Song of Roland, Marmyadose debuted in a King Arthur tale and never existed prior to then. Herakles was more about blunt instruments than blades.

>>285778711
It's fate, Nasu can always just reveal that his curse was the original MEoDP and make some retarded lore that everyone that has it is a Son of Cain or smth.
>Also, Grands are chosen to counter Beasts. What Beast is old "I hit him in with a rock!" supposed to counter?
this is the same series where every problem is solved with a huge laser beam, who cares.

>>285778788
He gave up and grail mud corrupted him.

>>285778808
I think you're hyping him up too much. There are easily two dozen Servants who could give Prime Herc a run for his money.

>>285778736
Which Cursed Arm took advantage of. It was a 2v1 but a win's a win.

>>285778827
Only if you start counting irregular summons. From looking purely within those allowed with the rules, the number is much smaller.

>>285778788
>relive all your trauma
>I forget what the second one was
>don't resist the corruption of the grail mud
which lead him to the conclusion that all the sins of humanity since the dawn of time including his own are the fault of the gods

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Herk's already a Grand. He already won over Lancelot and Raikou.

>>285778788
>Stop making excuses for the Gods
>Remember the pain your Divinity caused you (Eurystheus calls him a monster, Jason calls him a tool, Meg tells him the madness wasn't his fault before killing herself)
>Accept Humanity (Mud)

>>285778878
Lancelotfags and Raikoufags were shitposting for ages about Eternal Arms Mastery, misconstruing what the skill represents and does. All it means is that they have trained their skills so much they can still use them when fucked in the head. It's a skill that's decent in 1 out of the 7 normal classes.
In the other 6 any enemy can just mindfuck you and make you a strong weapon against your own allies.

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>>285777244
Hundred Faces was doing a good job as far as being an Assassin is concerned, it's not their fault Kirei set them all up to die.

>>285778932
Don't forget Melusine saying it's for weaklings.

>>285778747
He's so handsome. Shame about the rug on his face.

>>285778810
Are people not interested in a bulky male character in a gacha?

>>285778846
Eleven then. King Arthur, Gilgamesh, Karna, Arjuna, Arash, Achilles, Altera, Enkidu, Quetzalcoatl, Galahad, and of course, the queen of bullshit asspulls herself, Nero Claudius. Every single fight Nero's ever won have been ones she absolutely shouldn't have. When not a single one of a character's wins can be justified, someone like Herakles doesn't stand a chance.

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>>285778878
raikou was never in the running lol be serious

>>285778969
>Arash
No
>Achilles
No
>Altera
No
>Enkidu
No
>Nero
No
Karna and Arjuna would need to hit with their NP's to hope for a win.

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Has there ever been an effective Rider?

>>285778980
>Nero
>No

That bitch beat the Buddha, nothing makes sense with her to begin with.

>>285778988
Rider in HF was decently effective.

>>285778988
Astolfo won his HGW

>>285778956
I think sane Herakles would sell. Still wouldn't be Archer though. Now that Alcides exists, Archer Herc is basically a dead meme. Even if Alcides is added as an Avenger, he'll still be mostly using a bow. Also, there's way too much competition among Archers. Between Orion and Ciel, the single target buster Archer meta is full and has no more room for anyone else. But the single-target buster Saber meta still shockingly has room for growth. His only real competition is Musashi, who's dated as fuck and wasn't even that good to begin with.

>>285778956
It's fucking Heracles, he'd sell easily. Especially if they actually put in effort for once and gave him a fun event. Everyone loves a good tragedy, and his life was depressing as fuck.
If any amount of literal who's they put in every year can sell, then he can sell too. His design is objectively good, and Morii is a well-liked Artist.

>>285773167
>As strong as the entire Japanese pantheon plus all the Buddhas combined
Literally making shit up now are we? If he was so strong then not only should his hair not been cut by a normal human woman but he shouldn't have lost to Tekaru

>>285779011
And he did nothing in his HGW.

>>285773167
>who is tier Karna/Gil
Which is it? Because Karna is not Gil tier. He caps out at Achilles tier according to Apo. So a whole level below.

>>285779031
In this hypothetical scenario, since Morii would be drawing Alcides, he probably won't do the art for Herakles. Might just be the guy who did the art for Berseker.

>>285779015
Is Takeuchi's latest Gigastacy Blue Umu not the strongest Saber?

>>285779100
According to CCC who is written by Nasu.

>>285779105
Azusa is great too. The worst case scenario is Theseus's artist ever getting close to another Greek again

>>285778973
The humiliation here was sweet.

>>285779107
Blue Umu is AoE.

>>285779119
The worst case scenario is Takeuchi.

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>>285779135
He really isn't

>>285778989
she didn't
buddha just decided to fuck off after a while

>>285779113
>Nerfed Gil
Checks out I guess, he can easily be lowered a tier

>>285779135
Takeuchi is still my favorite TypeMoon artist. Simply because he created the best original characters, his style is the style of TypeMoon.

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ATP the hype and build up for a non jobber herc frightens type moon and they dont know how to handle what many servants in the verse consider a true "hero"

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>>285779135
Takeuchi can cook with the right amount of time, motivation and a good colorist, he usually can't be bothered to because he has too much on his plate with all the art he has to draw + everything he has to supervise as one of the lead directors and producers of the company + keeping nasu's retarded ideas in check.

>>285779225
>command seal near her vagina
hot

>>285779206
>what many servants in the verse consider a true "hero"
This is part of the problem
>Grand Lancer calls him the Greatest Hero and copies a NP from him
>Random shinsengumi sees zerk Herc and immediately starts saying he must be a master swordsman
>Everyone on the Argo creams themselves when talking about him
>Fucking Musashi huffs and puffs fighting mobs in Olympus and says Herc would deal with these easily
>apparently the Twelve Labours can't even compare to his deeds in the Gigantomachia
>etc.
The level of hype has been raised to such a degree that he can't appear as an antagonist, because they'd have to make him retarded to lose. And the only way he can appear as a protagonist is if you asspull a threat only he could handle, while trying to keep the balance in powerlevels overall.

>>285779252
>Grand Lancer
Romulus is a joke character.

>>285779191
I much prefer his older style in OG Tsuki
Had more heart to it

>>285779252
>he can't appear as an antagonist, because they'd have to make him retarded to lose
anon, we fucking fought ZEUS, they can find a way to bullshit a victory for us like they did many times before

>>285779274
And he's still infinitely better as a pick than Indra

>>285777244
Intoxicated Smoke could easily solo a HGW. Only heroes with incredibly esoteric abilities (able to destroy even smoke) could still attack her and even then she's probably going to eliminate every Master with relative ease in the chaos.
It's kind of weird for Nasu to just put one of the Hassans at "oh yeah 1 week invincibility" and think that's fair.

>>285779275
Melty >>> OG Tsuki

>>285779295
You can be wrong, that's well within your right

>>285779302
Just because you are correct, that doesn't mean you are right.

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sane herc >>>> non retarded gil
its not even close lol

>>285779284
What about conceptual abilities like Gáe Bolg?

>>285779280
>a gag character who was made because Sakurai fucked up vs a character who's been foreshadowed since CCC
Nah.

>>285779326
Sane Herc = Non-retarded Gil
Don't be one of those retards, anon. SF has shown that they were evenly matched in a duel before interference happened.

>>285779252
I always think that all of this is just Nasu trying to make Herc not look like a total fucking loser. Hercules was created as antagonist with GodHand in mind, meaning that all the key feature of this character is to die several time in the story. And everything Herc can do is just constatnly die and ressurect. That's not actually cool since every fucking hero can at least achieve something before they die. So Nasu is trying to tell it like "yeah, he died like a bitch once again, BUT did you know how awesome he is?" - it's still lame. But I guess that's why fans want to see Herc as successful hero at least once.

>>285779328
They'd strike her for no damage. It eludes the concept rather than challenges it. Gae Bolg won't miss, but its damage won't matter because the world is drunk and can't affirm the damage.

>>285779350
The point is that Herc seems to want to just have fun in a Grail War. He thinks about it being fun ''passing the time'' if he were sane and fought with EMIYA. He's already succeeded at everything in life, the GW for him is genuinely just a tournament to fuck around in.

>>285779351
So you're saying Prelati can solo Cu by lying to the world that Gae Bolg hit

>>285779372
They never even showed him like that not even once. And it's still would be retarded because potentionally instead of trying to achieve something he would rather die several times.

>>285779344
>evenly matched
Alcides is better than sane Herk when fighting Gil due to Enkidu and the Pelt existing. But Gil is still stronger.

>>285779284
>Only heroes with incredibly esoteric abilities (able to destroy even smoke)
inb4 Gil grabs a giant vacuum cleaner out of his ass

>>285779350
The can simply do exactly like they did with Gil. The only reason they made Gilgamesh the Grand Archer(on top of from his popularity) is because the powercreep has gotten so bad that nobody buys when Gilgamesh calls himself the strongest hero. So they made him the grand archer be his "serious" version to upgrade him to the current servant powercreep and they still implied he is """holding back""" so in another 10 year or so they can release another serious gil to upgrade him again

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>>285779436
>they keep wanking Gill
>this also makes UBW Gil a bigger retard.

>>285779452
I mean Shirou got bailed out by Rin, Saber and Archer against him. 4v1 isn't exactly fair.

>>285779384
Prelati has to fool the world with every single use of his noble phantasm, and according to his own words, using illusions to patch up damage after the fact is a really haphazard notion, because it means once the world goes back to correction then Prelati will basically explode.
Prelati's magical energy pool has never been clarified (Francesca is a demigoddess in the modern era but also has never shown any formidable abilities beyond reviving constantly) so I don't know if he can use Grand Illusion 7 times before retreating, and we do know Cu can use Gae Bolg 7 times in one fight.

Also I don't see how Prelati actually wins a fight, considering Cu is better at magecraft than he is and perfectly capable of disengaging any time it looks bad. Prelati might survive Cu, but never really win.

>>285779432
>Alcides is better than sane Herk when fighting Gil due to Enkidu and the Pelt existing. But Gil is still stronger.
Gil has never once used Enkidu against an opponent still in the fight. The Pelt is a side-grade from God Hand.
We know Nine Lives matched 90% of Gate of Babylon blow for blow, and we know that Alcides' version of Nine Lives is fundamentally weaker than Herc's. So the proper version could easily stalemate until both are forced to draw their trump cards.

>>285779434
Yes, Gil and Enkidu are the kinds that she would still have to fear. She's not truly invincible, and I'm sure there's others who can correct the world by some means or forcibly cancel her Zabaniya. But definitely top 1% of servants.

>>285779452
its pretty easy to handwave it away by just saying Gil was full of shit when he said he had too much raw ego to be mentally effected by the mud bath he took during the previous grail war

>>285779487
The omniscient narrator itself says that he's sane and the mud didn't affect him though.

>>285779460
>4v1 isn't exactly fair
when you fight against a guy who can pull out anything with no restriction even including spatial location, that 4vs1 doe seem fair.
It's just that the continuous wanking make it look like UBW Gilgamesh fight at 0.0001% power.