>>285776978
There's still toonboom and csp, calm your mantities

>>285776978
This is it, it's over. Dozens of studios will close, anime is finished.

>>285776978
>"I spent ten years side-by-side with Flash. Without this tool, I wouldn’t be able to create animation. It's not as simple as 'all you need is paper and a pencil.' As a result, I must downsize my animation business even further. Adios!"
It's always good to abandon Adobe
https://alternativeto.net/software/adobe-flash

>>285776978
>Furthermore, users will only be able to access their Animate files and project folders until March 2029
you get what you deserve for enabling this practice

Just like in nature - adapt or die.

>>285776978

Can't they just keep on using the software in offline mode?

>>285776978
why not just... use the old version? do you need to crack it or something?

>>285776978
This is good news by the way, fuck this garbage

>>285776978
Why are they shutting it down?
>Furthermore, users will only be able to access their Animate files and project folders until March 2029
Kek

>>285776978

I'm not familiar with Animate but it can't be special enough that other companies won't rush in to fill the void

>>285777054
Not for official work. Adobe sells subscriptions, not full software, so it would be illegal to keep using it after the license expires.

YOU VILL OWN NOTHING

>>285776978
This seems like something you can sue over

>>285777076
Adobe said they're shutting it down because they cant think of any new features to add so there's no point supporting it anymore.

>>285777003
Many Flash users stick with it because they don't like CSP's timeline. Nakaya Onsen also has asked which program has the closest timeline interface, and people have suggested toonboom. But it seems most of Japanese animators rarely use it.
If I remember correctly most used softwares are:
CSP > Flash > TV Paint > ToonBoom / OpenToonz.
But yeah, they will have to adapt to other softwares, although it's not going to happen overnight.
>>285777017
Science Saru invested almost a decade in Flash, they definitely have to spend more money to switch out.

>>285776978
>Furthermore, users will only be able to access their Animate files and project folders until March 2029
"lol" said the Cloud, "lmao".

Wow it's almost like relying on subscription services is a bad idea and you should always use an alternative.

>>285777100
CSP has started to become the default software. But Flash has a long history, and people who have used it more than two decades tend to stick with it because they're already familiar with it. Some animators like Bahi JD for example, use Flash exclusively.

By the way, Sony has developed its own animation software and they're testing it in their subsidiary studios like A1 Pictures and CloverWorks.

>>285777199
CSP has also moved to Subscription. You still can buy a lifetime purchase, but it will not get update. It really sucks.

>>285776978
they need to revive cel

>>285777105
>not allowed to buy a licence any more
>not allowed to use it for your work without a licence
This is what every company in the world wants for every aspect of life. In the future when we're all androids, we'll have to buy subscriptions to be allowed to absorb nutrients from the corporate brand worms and cockroaches, which are the only kind of food we're allowed to buy.

>>285777105
what if they keep using Flash CS6, which could've been bought with a permanent license?

>>285777153
What the fuck? They can't be that dumb, right? They're ragequitting because they can't add more bloats?

>>285777245
I don't use Flash, but probably different version of Flash will have different output/template? I imagine it'd be difficult to coordinate animation project if everyone uses different version of softwares.

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Live images from Science Saru right now.

>>285776978
>Studio like Science SARU relies heavily on Adobe Animate/Flash for its production pipeline.
Is GITS fucked?

return to Adobe Shockwave

>>285776978
>Studio like Science SARU relies heavily on Adobe Animate/Flash for its production pipeline.
So only garbage studios?

>>285777250
'oh no, we can't keep generating exponential profit growth, therefore we are now losing money by continuing to support this product when we could invest it in things that still have growth potential' is one of the favorite cards of capitalism. Gotta keep selling to the shareholders that infinite growth is both realistic to want and possible to achieve otherwise the whole house of cards comes tumbling down

>>285777221
>You still can buy a lifetime purchase, but it will not get update.
That's been standard practice for corporate software licensing for pretty much all time. A perpetual license gets you the version you bought it for (and maybe earlier ones, depending on the license agreement). Minor patches for that version are free, but if you want to move to the next major release you get to buy an upgrade license if the vendor deigns to sell one.
It's the switch to the continual release treadmill that's fucked you with that one. Used to be that companies would save all their cool new shit up for a year or two, then release a new version with a whole lot of changes, but now everybody wants to push features ASAP so your versions no longer have a simple demarcation.

>>285776978
why the fuck would you not keep selling a software that just prints you money?

Its kinda fucked that once a subscription based product shut down, many business get instantly fucked.
Is live service evil?

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>>285776978
>I spent ten years side-by-side with Flash.
I wonder if he thinks he's a Flash encyclopedia. Eating, breathing Macromedia.

>>285777354
oh yes

>>285777349
After some time, you'll realize that corpos are eother soulless, mentally challenged, pedophiles or all of this shit at the same time.

>>285777250
Welcome to shareholder mentality. What? you got yourself a steady, low cost income stream with minal upkeep? Nah fuck that, KILL IT NOW. WE DEMAND 2000% ROI

>>285776978
>Takahito Sakazume, director of Fate/strange Fake, echoed this sense of finality, stating that he now feels he has "only three years left" before being forced into retirement from animation production.
This is good, the F/SF adaptation has been very disappointing.

>>285777379
explain why anki is bad

>>285777379
>picrel
holy me

>>285776978
This is where we start getting the AI anime, when Adobe look to up-sell to Firefly.

>>285777349
If you sell it, you're warranting that it's fit for purpose under most consumer laws. Part of this means that you have to keep patching it to ensure security and compatibility with modern operating systems. This costs you money to do, so the software has to make you more money than you pay your skeleton staff of developers to keep it running.
That said, this still seems retarded because I cannot imagine Animate doesn't make enough to cover its maintenance costs, and it's not like Adobe offer a replacement product they might want to push users towards.

>>285777236
Monsanto-like inspection of your cellars.
>cellars
ha ha, I meant pods.
"Did you grow your own bugs in your sleeping pod without paying licenses?"

>>285776978
So pirate it.
If they're not selling it then don't pay them for it.

>>285777349
CEOs replace positions below them with robots to hide the fact that a CEO is probably the most fitting job you could give to a robot without any disruption.

>285777379
Posted it again award.

>>285776978
Pay forever, own nothing, be happy!
Man, fuck Adobe! Japanese are cucks of they just accept this as is. Taking 20+ year old tool away for what? Online only future sucks

>>285777105
How would they know what software is used?

>>285777221
>>285777346
Thank gott every version of CSP has been cracked so far

if japan government wanted they could mandate that sub only software that doesnt actually rely on central server must remain functional in perpetuity

the government enabling companies to rape their customer base is purely voluntary

>>285777393
How so? I only watched ep 0

>>285776978
Flash still existed? And was heavily used in industry? In 2026? What the fuck.

>>285777105
Does Adobe hate free money? Japan should literally just pirate that shit once Adobe pulls the plug. Maybe offer to buy the rights outright, if they crave legitimacy badly enough.

>>285776978
Japs suck at making software. That's the reason why no one bothered to create their own homegrown animation software.

>>285777630
explain why anki is bad

>>285777630
>>285777637
holy fuck i thought i had a stroke when i came back to this thread

>>285776978
just... let people keep using it? what's there to maintain? a server check to see if you are paying the subscription?
Just say no more updates and let people stay on the last version, this way you're just losing potential clients for no reason.

>>285777652
"time is a flat circle". add that to your anki deck

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>>285777679

Traditional hand-painted animation-cel chads, are we back?

>>285777707
Motherfucker this is your 4th time posting this.

>>285777707
explain why anki is bad

>>285776978
That's what you get for relying on adobe

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>>285776978
>Adobe [--] Sending Shockwaves

>>285777727
Nope, best corpo can do give us AI animation.

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>>285777763

>>285777727
There is like ten paid alternatives to flash so you can ask their code monkeys to start adding things for your studio in exchange of taking those clients.
Studios aren't over, just hurt for a while.

>>285777277
>>285777346
Comsol makes files resaved by new versions unopenable by old versions just to fuck over nonsubscribers. Maybe Flash is similar? That method wouldn't affect reading of old files though.

>>285777477
That sounds like bullshit, or at least unenforced as long as nobody's been pissed enough to challenge EULA liability disclaimers in court.

Have they really been using fucking Flash?

>>285777477
Gotta lay off workers so you can make better margins with AI.

>>285776978
What's the issue? Just pirate it.

>>285777105
> illegal to keep using it after the license expires
Once it officially ceases to be sold, it's public domain, right?

>>285777809
first day on /a/?

>>285777814
That is absolutely not the case whatsoever.

>>285777814
>Once it officially ceases to be sold, it's public domain, right?
No. It fucking should, but no.

>>285777221
>but it will not get update
That's good enough though?

>>285777813
This bubble will burst in less than 3 years.

>>285777801
>That sounds like bullshit, or at least unenforced as long as nobody's been pissed enough to challenge EULA liability disclaimers in court.
Some countries provide consumer rights that cannot be excluded, usually around said good/service being fit for purpose and substantially as described. NZ Consumer Guarantees Act, Australian Consumer Law, UK Consumer Rights Act, etc. Most of those don't apply to corporate entities, but if you sell your shit to the general public then you're obligated to make sure it actually works.

>>285777817
Far from it but I guess I haven't been paying enough attention

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I welcome our AI overlords with open arms if it means accelerating the death of Adobe.

>>285777814
>Once it officially ceases to be sold, it's public domain, right?
Not until copyright expires. Hope you can wait 50 to 100 years.

>>285777844
Of course it will. But retarded tech CEOs don't know that.

>>285777885
That is just moving one shitty corpo to more shittier corpo solution. I hope AI bubble burst early.

>>285777909
There's no shittier corpo than Adobe. Not even the worst of the worst gaming companies like EA or Take-Two are this predatory.
Kill them, then I'll worry about the next big corpo.

>>285777898
For software is 25 years, but good luck anyway.

>>285777927
Aren't you a little too obsessed spamming and ban evading for a retarded pic that says more about yourself than anyone else?

damn I thought flash was only used to make newgrounds games and shitty animations like adult swim cartoons. I didn't realize it was used to make anime too.

>>285777945
In this case isn't the same length as any other non-software length, so closer to 100? Patents would be shorter. It also depends on which parts might be licensed differently. Even if they wanted to make some parts free it might not be all of it, and even determining that could cost money they don't want to spend.

Is this shit even legal? I mean telling companies their entire production pipeline will have to change because you no longer want to support a working product just to shill AIslop with only 2 months of anticipation sounds like the sort of shit that warrants lawsuits.

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surprising japs use western products to make anime. they should just make their own software at this point.

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>>285777153
So this image only instead of $2 its $0? God corporate executives are the dumbest motherfuckers alive. I dont use anything Adobe but I'm pretty sure outside their outrageous cancellation fees, the biggest complaint I hear is that people wish they would stop fucking with the software everytime they update it

>>285778019
>Enterprise customers can continue to receive technical support through March 1, 2029, to ease the transition. Other customers will have support through March of next year, the company said.

Still, someone is bound to sue them.

Who the fuck use Adobe Animate in 2026?
>twitter screencap thread
>shartyshit
/a/ is healing

>>285778037
Oh it's 2029, misread it as 2026. Never mind.

>>285778029
Sometimes it's that they would rather put resources into something that they expect to make more money instead. Why care about 1% profit they know about when they might make 10%? It's a reason not to rely on something that can be shut down this way.

>>285778023
They do, but studios like science saru hate japan.

>>285778065
But they aren't offering an alternative so its literally just losing guaranteed money for a gamble that might not work. I get that thats how most corporations work now, but its still truly retarded.
>we cant think of any new feature to add
Make the undo button 5 pixels bigger who gives a fuck. Genuinely I cant imagine what they have in mind as something better than losing a solid marketshare of animation workers. If its genAI shit then they really deserve to die, not that they didnt before.

Adobe has no products xD

>>285778115
>xD
Another fine Adobe product!

>>285778112
Doesn't matter to them. There was some claim parts of it could be done with with some of their other software, so they must hope to keep some of them as customers. Maybe someone there making decisions thinks that's good enough.

>>285776978
This is why you listen to /g/ and use/contribute to free software
Using a platform like Adobe is asking for trouble, they always do this shit sooner or later

>>285777153
>no, I DON’T want you to keep giving me money for a product I’m no longer working on.
Are they retarded?

>>285778112
>But they aren't offering an alternative
It's fucking Adobe anon.
Everything is sub based right now. They can shut it down at any moment. Especially because of AIslop bandwagon.
Obviously this isn't an issue for pirated version but company can talk about pirated versions.
There is nothing you can do. Just use different program. They're pretty much same. It's not like learning how to fly jet after driving a car. I bet some programs support vector files from adobe animate

>>285778153
Yeah but this is the Japanese we are talking about, learning something new when they've been doing it the old way for 40 years is impossible for them. They still use fax machines for god's sakes.

>>285778112
Why would they invest $10 to make $11 on flash when they can invest $10 and get $25 in AI? A bubble is just a distributed ponzi scheme and you can make money off a ponzi scheme.

>>285776978
>until March 2029
Sounds like enough time to find an alternative.

Hopefully this will motivate competitors to try and cater to the animation industry and support what they need in animation software. Or maybe some open source solution could be adapted to suit their specific needs.

>>285778153
>Just use different program.
Anon, creative types struggle to work out that you can use the same program on different operating systems and insist that they must have Macs for their Creative Cloud shit. How do you expect them to learn a whole nother program?

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>>285778232
Well, we need better creative types then

>>285778237
Fucker it's been a decade.

>>285778232
>How do you expect them to learn a whole nother program?
Rage will sustain them, and spite will grant them the power they need. Adobe has shown that creative types can choose to learn other programs when pissed off enough.

>>285778210
I will fax my very finest salarymen to meet you there in person to exchange business cards to later call to set up a meeting so we can coordinate our schedules to plan a joint session to talk about making a plan to combat this insidious plot that threatens to doom us all.

>>285778232
Japanese studios use xpen and huion tablets instead of overpriced wacom trash so they're not really "macs creative cloud" types.

>>285778248
GIMP was ass in 2006 when I was told to try it and it was ass in 2016, too. Fool me once.

>>285778248
Can I draw a circle now

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>Shantanu Narayen(born May 27, 1963)[1]is anIndian-Americanbusiness executive who has been the chairman, president, andchief executive officer(CEO) ofAdobe Inc.since December 2007.[5][6]Before this, he was the company's president andchief operating officersince 2005.[7]
Straight from Wikipedia, and now you know why it's a shitty subscription model

>>285778237
gimp user here
>new layer
>ellipses tool
>paint bucket a circle
>smaller circle
>delete

>>285778269
try Krita, I was recently told to try it out myself and so far it seems better designed than Gimp

>>285778237
Should have used inkscape or krita.

>>285778308
>try Krita,
For what purpose? Just download CSP, PS or any other program.

>>285778290
>thinking capitalists from anywhere are any different from capitalists everywhere else
Naive

>>285778334
It really depends on what one uses it for, I've had PS5 and it always felt like it would be better for retouching photos, but most of its functions (of which there was ton of bloat) didn't provide much use in freehand drawing. Krita is designed more with opposite idea, there is still a lot to figure out, but it's designed more towards someone that will use it to draw cute anime girls.

>>285778388
Use SAI2

>>285778411
No

>>285776978
Blender does all that and more. Those old boomers should drop that outdated piece of shit app. And Blender isn't resource intensive. And if it is because you're using some 1990s PC, the Adobe license is the price of a PC that can actually run intensive Blender workloads. So what's the point of using it? Also, Blender is used by most students. Those out-of-college students have to learn Adobe shitass apps because the industry sucks and is dumb.

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>Blender

>>285778439
Yes, Blender also does 2D animation and does it better than every other app. And you can customize everything. Because it's open source. There's no reason to use other apps besides Blender unless you're some old boomer who doesn't know how to use anything.

>>285778384
I hate to break it to you but even Jewish CEOs have some standards

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>Blender also does 2D animation and does it better than every other app

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>>285777231
>cel
>Sony says you can't make more than 20 photographs, unless you pre pay for a 2 year subscription service.
You will own nothing and be happy

>>285777153
Turning down free money is certainly a business decision

>>285776978
>>>/g/

>>285777576
>the government enabling companies to rape their customer base is purely voluntary
And jappos love it.

>>285777236
>>285778521
>>285778479
Why do you hate everything that actually made America great?

>>285777576
>>285778576
Just like in America, right?

Flash is such a garbage piece of shit software for traditional 2D animation, only still used by retarded boomers who can't adapt
TVpaint is the best software for pure traditional animation but costs retardely expensive
CSP is very good but only slightly worse than TVpaint and costs peanuts.

I had to work on animate once and it was fucking awful throughout, good fucking riddance.

>>285777221
They have the option to buy a lifetime purchase again when they release a new major version. IIRC version 2 lifetime license was on sale, then later they released version 3 lifetime license and put it on sale again, with discount for people who upgrade from 2

>>285778468
Blender's grease pencil only worth is that it's free. I worked on it and all I felt was a software for something completely unrelated pretending to be a 2D animation software. It fucking sucks nigger.
If you want to do actual traditional 2D animation you go with CSP or TVpaint.

>>285778726
Just customize it to feel like the others.

CSP sub model is indeed clown tier show. You also need to verify license for offline use every two weeks. In Soviet Russia where 80% of internet is banned CSP +asset sites are banned too so you can't even verify license of legit persuade. Obviously pirated versions don't need to deal with any of this modern sub based dogshit.

>>285778801
If you don't connect to update it then what's the point of subscribing, just buy the lifetime license

>>285778909
>just buy the lifetime license
You need to verify license every two week for lifetime version. It just happens automatically every time you launch studio.

>>285777017
about time

>>285777105
honestly? fuck them, just don't sell anime in USA and call it a day

Without flash, you won't get kino like Ping Pong The Animation.

>>285778023
Japs surprisingly can’t code. They’re good with concepts, everything else is copied from our Western overlords.

>>285778290
Great, another diry jeet CEO fucking up things
Can't we just deport them all?

>>285776978
They deserve it. They supported Adobe, one of the scammiest companies ever to exist.
They supported the subscription model. They supported all the shit that's been thrown their way.
Tech adopters are part of the problem. I laugh at them for now facing the consequences of their actions.

>>285778023
CSP is japanese and it still can't into multithreading in 2026

>>285779218
>They supported Adobe
Everyone still use PS as support program. It's not replaced.

>>285779239
What is your point? People who use PS are also part of the problem.

>>285779285
There is no replacement for PS so people will support it. You would support (forced to support) Adobe too if you were professional artist.
>inb4: free PS2

>>285777478
>Monsanto-like inspection of your cellars.
What is "Monsanto-like"?

>>285776978
Learn to use other programs. Not my problem.

>>285777763
>>Adobe [--] Sending Shockwaves
I don't get it? Adobe Shockwave?

>>285777298
I don't know the state of Science Saru after Masaaki Yuasa left, but it's still led by Eunyoung Choi, so I assume they still use Flash pipeline to convert analog/paper animation to digital. I'm not sure about the digital freelance animators who work with them though. I doubt they're all using Flash, since most freelancers use CSP.

If they still insist to convert all digital animation files to Flash format, then yeah, it's going to stall the speed when it's no longer supported. But then again, Flash will cease support in 2029. They still have time to convert all those files to other formats.

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>>285776978
Is this one of those "you reap what you sow" kind of problems?

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>>285779320
It is off-topic thread desu. What's else to discuss here? Are you japanese animator who can't use different program? No. Is this thread discussing sakuga? No. Do you even know how Adobe Animate interface looks like without a google? No. Do you actually care? No.
It is just an excuse for off-topic /g/ posting.
Facts.

>>285777814
>Once it officially ceases to be sold, it's public domain, right?
No, but judges should just start ruling this way anyway. They have the justification. Civil suits are about damages. There are none if a company refuses to sell the software being pirated.

>>285778292
I usually do
>select a circle
>edit -> stroke selection

>>285779062
What the fuck.

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>>285776978
They should've known this was coming like 10 years ago when web pages moved away from Flash and Adobe announced the browser extension was going to be killed.

>>285779363
Why didn't the industry come together to support the development of an alternative based on their needs?
It's especially more damning with professionals.

>>285778023
Japs can't into math or computer programming.

>>285779062
So it's lifetime of the company?

Meanwhile Chainsaw Man character designer used to animate on SAI until recently. WHAT A MAD LAD.

https://x.com/tt_totos/status/2018582997805801876

>employers push expensive proprietary software onto their employees as the "industry standard" and are screwed when the provider loses interest in maintaining it
You get what you fucking deserve.

>>285777576
Also this.

>>285779431
judges serves the donors of the politicians that appointed them as judges. as the princes say to the paupers, 'rules are for thee, not for me'

>>285779431
If that were to happen, they'd start to continue selling it for something excessive like enough to employ hundreds of people for each copy.

>>285779497
>Meanwhile Chainsaw Man character designer used to animate on SAI until recently.
Is that strange? What's weird about it?

>>285777349
Because they want you to use AI to animate, and AI sucks shit and people hate it, so the only way to get people to use AI is to remove the other options.

>>285779532
I didn't even know SAI has animation option

>>285779554
Every illustration / image editing software has its own animation toolset these days.

TIL bushiness still use flash and are totally reliant on it.

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>>285779532
As far as I know, SAI doesn't even have animation timeline feature. I don't know if it even has onion skin/light table either.

That means, he has to arrange all of his drawings himself. Meanwhile, animation software has timeline feature, so instead of you make a new file for new drawing, you just click the timeline, insert new drawing, and draw a new frame.

By the way, Shinichi Kurita (DEATH PARADE character designer) said that CSP still can't drag and drop timeline like Flash or animate.
https://x.com/kurishinBH/status/2018537347852497023

>>285779580
I know Krita has it, but I never heard about SAI having animation timeline feature yet.

>>285778112
Doing this also makes them negative money. Both the people who have been rugpulled and everyone who has witnessed it will be less likely to do business with them in the future for fear of it happening again. This is such a retarded, self sabotaging decision that I'd argue it's a violation of the very fiduciary duties that they'd claim are the reason they're doing it.

>>285779580
>>285779607
Oh wait, apparently someone made a software for animating in Paint Tool SAI. But it's not officially supported.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/h8yltnk9qrqvni9/FolderFrame_v1.1.0.zip/file

>>285779595
My fucking country is reliant on MS Word and Excel.

>>285779474
It's not so easy. And there is generally nothing to fear for Photoshop. It is the father of digital art. It will never go away. Unless we're in actual AIslop dystopia. PS designed for photo editing was good for drawings and with later iteration it got better for painting, drawing (they added improvements based on Craig Mullins who is technically "father of digital painting") while keep pushing photo editing and now 3D toolsets for ultimate package. So while CSP for example in time integrated all PS drawing options (it now has dual texture brush, direct support for abr PS brushes, opacity slider etc) they did not invent photo editing functions. It's out of drawing/animating program reach. As at the end Photoshop will always be somewhere in production pipeline because of how good it is for such kind of work.

>>285778237
>tries to change a tire with a frying pan
Nigger, just open krita.

>>285779663
Forgot to mention. Photoshop also support plugins.

Webgen was born from Flash.
Shingo Yamashita (Cosmic Princess Kaguya), Kenichi Kutsuna (Sekiro), Ryo-timo (Birdy The Mighty Decode, Yozakura Quartet) all started animating by experimenting using Flash in 2000s. It's an end of era indeed.

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>>285778237
I literally use GIMP to make cool tiles for Warcraft 3 custom maps. I find a square repeatable tile image (I just rip it from world of warcraft desu), then I create a larger repeated version of it in GIMP with just a click of a button, then I copy the alpha layer mask from a template tile that already exists in Warcraft 3 into my new tile, and turn my new tile into a usable tileset for my warcraft 3 custom maps. It's so easy, and I learned this from a decade old forum post when I was looking around for how to make my own tiles. Cope and seethe.

>>285779682
I think you can make animation on photoshop, there's a third party plugin for that or something. It's cumbersome, but still possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH7vcZjTSLA

>>285778204
Except literally nobody is making money on the AI ponzi scheme.

>>285779580
Sometimes I use GIMP to edit frames in a gif files I have. There's probably better software to use, but nice that GIMP has the option.

>>285779741
Tons of people are making money on it. That's how Ponzi schemes work, they keep generating revenue for as long as more people join in and keep pouring in money. The trick is getting out before the bubble bursts.

>>285779706
It's native. I have CS5 installed and it has animation support

>>285779741
Yeah, all of the poor DRAM manufacturers having their entire production capacity instantly bought out for AI are making no money :(

>>285779928
Don't forget poor old Sam Altman, man is practically broke, only having a net worth of 2 billion dollars :(

>>285779693
>hen I create a larger repeated version of it in GIMP with just a click of a button,
What magic button do you press?

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lol, lmao

>>285779741
Hardware companies are making money hand over fist. Land is being bought and construction companies contracted. Unfathomably large loans are being given out carelessly to finance it all.

Why would you even try to lie like this? Because there's no world in which you can be stupid enough to actually think that.

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>>285779983

>anon mention AI
>the dalits arrive to defend it

>>285779954
>net worth
This is not the same. Hardware manufacturers are making money in the same way people selling supplies during the gold rush did. People like Altman are like someone who has sunk everything into buying land that may or may not have gold and, if it doesn't, is otherwise worthless.

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>>285779970
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/effortless-terrain-tile-making-tutorial.327030/

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>>285776978
Pirating Adobe garbage is a moral obligation. Just steal the latest version and keep using it forever.

>>285779983
This is a similar kind of thinking that results in changing appearance for no reason other than looking old.

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Wait wait wait.

Hol up

....anime has just been flash animation all along????

>>285780191
Webgen anime, yes.
Now you know why so much of it looks so weird compared to stuff from even just 15 years ago.

>>285780191
>....anime has just been flash animation all along????
No.

>>285777054
No sorry, you're not buying things nowadays, you're just paying a perpetual license for the right to use it.

>However, there isn't one single tool being pitched as a successor. Instead, Adobe, is guiding customers to its comprehensive (and expensive) Creative Cloud Pro plan, which includes After Effects and Express, to replace "portions" of Animate
Fucking lmao someone KyoAni Adobe's HQ already please

>>285776978
I still have flash cs3 :)

>locked out of your own works
everyone at adobe should be shot

>>285780386
Hand it over.

>>285777054
you can't no longer activate it on newer computer, so good luck if you are switching to new pc.

>>285776978
If your business, skill or ANYTHING depends on some American subscription service you are simply dumb and on borrowed time. What did they expect was going to happen? Unless you own your software or tool outright like it always was before this nightmare concept of subscription everything you legit own nothing and should expect to be fucked one way or the other.

>>285776978
wait
Does this mean most anime are Flash animated?

>>285780586
99% of the world still hasn't learned the most basic rule
>Never pay for software no matter what

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>>285776978
This is 100% because Adobe wants to put more chips on their AI products that no one gives a fuck about.

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SAAAAAAAARRRRRRR
WHY WASTIN' TIME DOIN' ANIMASHION
JOOST ENTAR UR PROMPT SAAAARRR
AI IS DA FUSHAR

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>>285781443

>>285776978
You thought it was mastercard and visa that would kill anime but turns out it's Adobe.

>>285777349
John Deere lost a major court case over peoples 'right to repair' their tractors and farm equipment. It will be appealed and it will go to the US Supreme Court but apparently some companies analysis of the situation is that software packages like this are similar enough to John Deere's situation to be made illegal in the US if the Supreme Court doesn't side with John Deere and apparently legal analysts for these companies don't thing the current Supreme Court will side with JD.

>>285780593
they have been for at least two decades now

Is Adobe Animate just another puppet rigging software? Or are they actually using it for a "typical" 2D animation pipeline (drawn layers mimicking old cel production process)?

>>285776978
>China, The Apothecary Diaries Season 2 Opening 2 Director
That was him? That sucked. Easily the worst OP of the show, and those masks looked terrible. Usually he does better work.

>>285777153
>>285779983
Seriously, what do you need more from an animation software other than:
>drawing tools
>light table/onion skin
>animation timeline
>audio timeline
And since Japanese anime are animated before the dubbing process, they don't even need the audio timeline feature.

>>285776978
Adobe try not to make a stupid, anti-consumer decision: Impossible

>>285780191
>>285780241
Ping Pong The Animation used Flash, just like Devilman Crybaby, and other Science Saru projects. They basically traced over the key animation and remade it in Flash. I've always thought it was a waste of time, since some animators literally drew on papers, and they have to scan it, then they had to trace it over again. Shinya Ohira's animation in Lu Over the Wall was butchered by this process. Flash didn't do justice to his traditional/paper animation style.

>>285782600
>And since Japanese anime are animated before the dubbing process
Wait what?? Tthe fuck? How do they figure out the lip movements before they have an audio track?

>>285782710
They're not, actors dub over the storyboard. But I can't blame someone for thinking that because Japanese animators don't bother to match lip flaps, they only time the duration of mouth flapping to the voice lines.

>>285782710
He's talking out of his ass. Shirobako shows how the process works.

>>285782263
2D as in it replicates paper animation process. Cells were just process of coloring by the way, animators still drew their animation on papers, then those papers get filmed and printed on cells, after the paint department colored the cells.

>>285779693
wait can you straight up port WoW models into WC3? bretty neat anon-sama

>>285782710
Basically this >>285782852
The storyboard has dialogue, as well as the length of the cut, so they have to work out the lip movements themselves. That's why lypsinc animation is the most basic technique an animator should master.
>>285782852
In rare cases, they redid the animation using the audio recording, iirc this happened in some scenes in Maquia movie. But it's

>>285776978
Does this affect pirating it?

>>285782263
This is how it looks like to animate in it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_2lpR9AILE

>>285782705
I recall /a/ telling me that Yozakura Quartet was animated directly in software which probably saved a lot of time.

>For more than a quarter century, Adobe Animate, formerly known as Flash, has been a giant of 2D animation production. It facilitated TV series, indie shorts, advertising campaigns, educational media, web animation, and gaming. Countless animators were introduced to, trained on, and made their living using the software. It underpinned pipelines at studios of all sizes around the world.

>Now, Adobe is drowning that legacy in gasoline and putting a match to it, abandoning millions of artists in the process by sunsetting the software and going all in on AI. (It looks like there were approximately 3 million animate CC users as recently as October 2023, and over 30 million Creative Cloud users in 2025)

>The company announced on Monday, February 2, that Adobe Animate will be discontinued effective March 1, with limited support extending only until 2027 for individual users and 2029 for enterprise customers. After that, access to the software and, critically, to project data in its native environment will come to an ignominious end.

>This is not a routine product sunset. It is an industry-shaking event with immediate consequences for ongoing productions and long-term implications for the future of 2D animation, especially as Adobe and other software giants increasingly pivot toward AI-driven tools and services.

>Overnight, Cartoon Brew was flooded with emails and DMs from artists, techs, directors, and producers reacting with anger, disbelief, and anxiety. The message was consistent and concisely summed up by one email that put it bluntly: “Fuck Adobe, and fuck AI.”

It's fucking worse for Japanese freelance animators who subscribed to Adobe Animate.They will only get support until next year. FUCK.

DAIZ!

>>285782600
B-BUT MUH AY EYE

>>285783305
Yeah since it's directed by Ryo-timo, who was also the character designer for Birdy the Mighty Decode.
https://fullfrontal.moe/webgen-ryo-timo/

Now, moving on to animation softwares, you seem to use a lot of them. Flash (currently Animate), of course, but also Blender. Blender is very unique, isn’t it?

Ryo-Timo: I found out about Blender when I was doing 3D work and wondered if there wasn’t software that would allow me to open 3D data and write memos.

Back then, it was all about Maya, but the license fee was too expensive for me to pay. Only, the projects I was working on were entirely made with Maya, so I had all the data saved in FBX and was looking for a software that could process it when I finally discovered Blender. I thought I’d be using it as a simple tool, but the “Grease Pencil” function caught my attention. At first, I was just using it to write memos, so it didn’t seem any different from Flash.

But then, a new version added the possibility to apply shading using the pen’s pressure sensitivity. To this day, there are only two vector-based softwares that have this function: Mischief and Blender, that’s it.

I can’t recall how many times I’ve wished that they’d add it in Flash, and I even requested so from an executive of the firm who came over to Japan for the Adobe forum, but in the end, it never happened. I’ve been hoping for them to finally implement this function since Flash 6, all in vain, whereas Blender did so immediately.

So you went from Flash to Blender?

Ryo-Timo: Yeah, at that point, I said goodbye to Animate and completely made the switch to Blender. It’s made for 3D movie production, but because it’s a vector-based software that can handle both 3D and added camera work, I’m perfectly fine using it for 2D animation with 3D as a guide.

For me, that’s the whole point of Blender and the reason why I started using it as my main animation software.

>>285779378
Monsanto an USA GMO crops company would unlawfully inspect farmers crops for unlicensed grow of their seeds™, they would engage in gang tactics for this and encourage neighbors to rat others out, also to use pesticides that only their modified plants could survive. I believe they still do all this to a lesser degree

>nothing burger
Someone else will come and fill in the hole as always.
Adobe will likely backtrack as well after this, maybe the shareholders

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>>285778023
Japan cant even make their own social media or their own art website, they keep using the one's from america
You can't imagine my reaction when, after they kept crying they were going to move to "bluesky" because X was censored or something, i looked what bluesky was and it was ANOTHER american social media, after months of hearing about that i always thought it was a japanese social media service, but no, it was another american one, pic related was my reaction

Japanese really really worship americans for some reason

>>285783944
There are Japanese platforms (Misskey, Taittsuu, Mixi2). The people you saw move from twitter to Bluesky probably did so because they didn't want to lose their overseas audience, (You).

>>285783944
>only browses american websites
>sees japs only on american websites
>"this means they use exclusively american websites!"

>>285783944
Shousetsuka ni Narou, OTOH, bans foreigners pretending to be "fluent" in Japanese. There's a reason Isekai is king.

>>285777814
>Once it officially ceases to be sold, it's public domain, right?
Hahahahahahaha how naive hahahahaha

>>285783467
Which makes this stupider because animation is one of the things AI isn't entirely useless for. Unlike the other shit applications that think you can dump an open-ended question into a chatbot and get back anything sensible, using it for tweening makes sense because you've got two keyframes to anchor the LLM and stop it from wandering into hallucination. Or do more accurate tracing of paper scans.
This "no new features" has got to be a bullshit cope and there's something else going on. Internal politics with the Animate dev team. Or there've got a new animation program they want to sell instead. My money is on Adobe about to buy one of the other companies (like ToonBoom) and didn't want the overlapping legacy in the way.

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>>285783944
>Japanese really really worship americans for some reason

>>285779928
>>285779954
>>285779872
>>285779990
>actually plenty of people make money from multi level marketing!
You know what he means, you fucking autists. There's no justification to pump all that money into AI other than enriching the scammers.

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why is anki bad though

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This is the CEO of Adobe by the way LMAO.
We are living in clown world. We are so doomed.

>>285785292
>Hyper bad public school

>>285781443
>>285781492
It's not even a meme anymore.

>>285785185
An untold amount of anons were mindbroken because they can't spend 5 minutes doing their reps.

>>285776978
>Adobe Animate (formerly Adobe Flash Professional, Macromedia Flash, and FutureSplash Animator)
These people are still using FLASH?
In current year??
And they'd rather retire than learn a new tool???
This is worse than fax machines.

>>285779431
Corporations should be forced to publish source code once they stop supporting a software, like Windows 7

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what a load of bullshit

>>285785292
Wanna bet he's being bribed to ruin Adobe Inc. financially by competitors/other software corpo that wants to take over?

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>>285779497
>Animating in SAI
What the fuck posses someone to even attempt this? SAI's a comfy program I get it but holy shit it has nothing inside of it that supports animation.

>>285786173
Japanese autism folded over 1000 times

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>"I trusted my life's work to proprietary software and they are fucking me over!"
>cut to Richard Stallman with a smug toldya look in his face.

>>285786306
Free... as in freedom...

>>285776978
Why whine when AI can fix this?

>>285785185
>sharty spam
>reasons

>>285777186
This is probably the lowest thing to give a shit about
>we are turning off the cloud
OH NO SHIT FUCK AAAAH
>in 3 years
Oh yeah who gives a fuck I'll just download everything or move to some other provider.

I'm sorry but this is retarded, the industry is worth billions, can't they just make free animation software? IDK, but open toonz, and make it better?

>>285786950
Can't hire indians if anyone does not agree with the industry standard.

>>285786883
3 years support is only for enterprise level subscribers. For personal level subscribers, they only get 1 year support.

>>285786950
There are plenty of alternatives. Animate is just the industry standard.

>>285780586
>Unless you own your software or tool outright like it always was before this nightmare concept of subscription
No, that's not how that works. If you bought it from somebody else, all you bought was the permission to possess and operate a copy of the software. You do not own the software, because if you did then the developer wouldn't be able to keep selling it.

>>285778237
why use photoshop when I could use paint?

>>285786950
Did you use some free* community-driven software as Blender? It's always a mess, a lack of focus, and favoritism towards donors' whims.

at this point, just pirate it and use it, the last update was late 2023 anyway and there are PLENTY of cracked versions, monkrus version being the most reliable right now. like if the company is unwilling to support it, and they are not selling it anymore, I don't get the moral issue or even legal issue of installing the last version pirated on whatever system they need. animate doesn't have many cloud features anyway, and if they were relying on adobe cloud in the first place, they deserved this.

>>285783737
>they would engage in gang tactics for this
Pretty serious stuff going on in the background for growing crops.

>>285781443
It's funny, considering that if they had a proper IA solution for animation, they would integrate it into the program. But they only have a barely controllable slop generator, which they can only sell separately

>>285776978
>Cosmic Princess Kaguya
Terrible movie with terrible animation

>>285777003
I thought only americans used that for their beanmouth cartoons while Ghibli opensourced their Opentoonz.

>>285781063
and they will waste money and profits will hit hard on Adobe.

>>285787273
Japanese people can't pirate for shit let alone big companies

>>285776978
Couldn't the animation industry just buy it from Adobe? They make much more money anyway.

jews

>>285787702
Something tells me they're doing it intentionally to harm the industry and shill ai video generators

>>285787684
Using a cracked version of Adobe software is probably against their ToS but not necessarely illegal. And it's not like Adobe is going to sue everyone if they just started using it.

>>285787784
If you're a big studio you can't just use cracked software

>>285787871
>If you're a big studio you can't just use cracked software
Yes I can, faggot.

>>285781492
My jap is shit so I never understood why this guy worked for the yakuza guy

>>285782975
>But it's
But what?

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Damn I didn’t knew that Adobe was THIS based

>>285784321
I don't get it?

>>285779983
Just sounds like something dumb they told helpdesk to tell their stupid customers over the phone
>oh yeah, we uh, ran out of features or something
>>285779693
>use GIMP to make cool tiles for Warcraft 3 custom maps.
That's cool as hell anon. I've got a stupidly big backlog of custom warcraft 3 campaigns I need to play eventually

>be chink
>too domesticated to just pirate the software
>too untalented to switch to an alternative
all that is left for them is to cry on twitter
pathetic vermins

>>285787296
Yup, they are an unironic mafia

>>285783457
O jesus christ. His final blow, it's the last episode of Anime as a whole.

Total subscription death

>>285778439
Blenderfags do amazing things.

>everyone hates Adobe
>everyone keeps using Adobe products
>Adobe just cancels it so you can't use it

ummm... based?

>>285789520
So you didn't try it, the fact that someone can dance on broken glass doesn't mean it's a pleasant experience

>>285776978
The return to cel animation….

>>285776978
Didn't Ghibli opensource their animation software?
Why not just use that?

>>285777298
They’ll manage

>>285776978
Can't someone just buy it off Adobe?

>>285789784
Did they? I hear only about some algorithms ported to OpenToonz

>>285783339
>“Fuck Adobe, and fuck AI.”
This.

>why do you need ot buy the program? just buy a subscribtion, it's cheaper and more flexible
>no it won't expire
>no you'll always have access to your files
>no it'll always have the same functionalities
>no we won't remove stuff
>no we won't shut it down, it's for life
>no we won't enshittify it
you don't hate corporations enough
you think you do, but you don't

Ah so thats how "they", kneecap anime.

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>>285776978
>Takahito Sakazume, director of Fate/strange Fake
No wonder it looks like shit.

>>285790021
No, of course, Adobe bought and destroyed many programs just keep its monopoly status. There was another tool people tried to buy

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>>285776978
OWN NOTHING
BE UNHAPPY

>>285779515
This.

>>285778237
I use Paint.net

>>285776978
Gee, it's almost like depending on monopolistic corporations for core software products is a bad idea.

Fuck Adobe and anyone who uses Adobe in 2020s deserve it.

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I hate it when freetards get vindicated.

>>285779397
Yuasa is a hack

>>285790181
Most studios use CSP (japanese) nowadays

>>285776978
Sounds like some Japanese company would have interest in buying that product, so why won't Adobe do that? Adobe doesn't have to maintain it and go move forward with some other product.

>>285776978
I always thought Japan had their own software. This is surprising to hear. So is anime just over now?

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Adobe, pants full of shit, has since decided to reverse the decision and keep Animate on maintenance mode, realizing that people actually use their products.

>>285793513
It's still a good idea to work on moving away from it.

>>285787784
>not necessarely illegal
It is absolutely illegal because modifying the software is against the license agreement, thus putting you in breach of contract.

>>285793513
And the frogs will stay in the boiling pot.

>>285793704
You'd think, but when Unity tried to screw over its userbase a lot of them jumped ship and will likely never come back to Unity.

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>company does completely retarded shit that will obviously fuck up their profit margins
>check ceo
Yeah he's indian lol

>>285793856
I can only hope that happens to Adobe as well. Fucking hate Adobe.

>>285793513
>Adobe, pants full of shit
Like they are disingenuous, or they realized they messed up?

>>285793786
oh shit....