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if Ultimate Gohan is SS Kefla tier doesn't than mean there isn't a very big gap between Buu saga power levels and Super power levels?
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Goku is a cuck. Vegeta beat him thrice.
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>she RAN
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>>285786517
Correct.
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>>285786559
Why is Tenshinhan so beloved by many, yet makes a specific group seethe uncontrollably?
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>WEAKjita spent several years training and had to get a magical, mindbreaking power boost just to catch up to an 11-year-old boy's strength, who became that strong after a single year in the Time Chamber with his father, CHADku
>CHADku had SS3 up his sleeve the entire time, further mindbreaking the Prince of Nothing so hard that he dropped out of the rivalry entirely after watching him go toe-to-toe with Kid Buu
>WEAKjita reignited this one-sided rivalry in Super, but ended up watching from his spectator's cuck chair while CHADku fought evenly with Jiren, after transcending mortal techniques and becoming GoD-level
>WEAKjita tried to match CHADku's Angel powers by training with a GoD, but only attained a form proven useless in the same chapter it was introduced
>WEAKjita was surpassed by GODhan again, shortly after
Hey, Bejitabro, you dropped this.
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>they had to use Shenron to resurrect Tien after Gohan killed him
KEKAROOPIE!
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Reminder that not even Toei considers that Giant Turd is canon yup yup.
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>r*ddit filename
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https://youtu.be/tfy4p7u3Xik?si=zicLq7KgWQaab4eC
Torishima isn't as bad as I thought. He really is the reason why Toriyama's career was able to take off so well
I also never knew that Nero the Emperor inspired King Piccolo
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He was based.
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>LSFPS4LB Broly > SFPS4LB Xeno Vegito + SSB CC Vegito
>SFPS4LB Xeno Gogeta > Transcended LSFPS4LB Broly (enhanced by Dark King Demigra)
Why is Vegito so weak?
>Bonus: LSS Broly > Jiren (he had to get Hit to help him end the fight quickly)
KWAB.
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>zero arguments
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>>285786931
Vegito is a jobber because Bejita is the dominant one in that fusion. With a jobber as the dominant personality, it's only natural that the fusion be more inclined to fucking up.
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>>285787018
LMAO nah they are eye candy for our amusement
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Could Gunku beat Sorbet?
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>JJK
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>provided the name
>provided main designs
>provided initial concept
>enjoyed it and hopes (You) will too
The problem?
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>>285787124
Oh it does? Name ten.
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>>285787229
Fucking grow up, Salagir.
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>>285787272
>Toei/Akira Toriyama steals what they want from Multiverse and then kills Son Bra.
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>>285787130
His beatdown at the hands of PERFECT CELL was pretty rough both because he let it happen and the fact that Trunks didn’t know that Bejita knew that Trunks thought he was stronger and just protecting his little princely pride lol haha
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>>285787424
And yet they decided to copy it.
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>>285787272
There is a Japanese translation with Japanese commenters on the site.
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G-Gokubros??????
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>Freeza doesn’t know Goku, but sees that he resembles the Saiyan that rebelled against him 30 years ago
Meanwhile SHARTlagir thinks Freeza personally ordered Kakarot to be sent to Earth as part of his master plan.
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Left or right?
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>>285787522
DBS copied AI-generated futa porn?
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SOVL.
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ENTER: Pan Calvo
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>more than half the list that manga fanboys use to say dragon Ball super is adult is just MHA volumes.
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>>285787875
>announce it two years early
>only goes for 12 episodes
>takes six years for the next season
It’d be one thing if this was the run of the mill seasonal slide of life anime, but this shouldn’t be happening for the actual big name stuff too, especially if they’re still just going to look like rough drafts half the time.
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“Oh Bejita it seems I’ve misplaced my saiyan dildo would you be a sweetheart and let me borrow your penis.”
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>>285787875
They announced the moro arc early to revert the humongous damage Daipa flopping did to the IP's reputation.
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>>285788610
What DO you like, chud?
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>>285788197
I flip flop. I honestly hate that vomit yellow pants GTku wears but Daipaku really needs a belt. Daipaku's proportions are ridiculous but I like the colors more. GTku's SS4 is better written by far, Daipaku's just appears as cheap fanservice and it has no lore.
GTku I guess, barely. Maybe in another decade they'll take another crack at SS4.
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Reminder that Goku fisted Jiren so hard that his asshole couldnt close and that Jiren was forced to eat his own Shart because he forgot to train his ass so Goku's fist was strong enough to push his shart up his mouth.
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>>285786484
Super is movie canon nonsense, but yes. Super Buu cliffed the normal power progression in dbz so hard that Goku could have gone super saiyan 4 and then 5 and still lose. Thats why we got the potential of the unlimited potential character unlocked and fused characters where two fused children without going super saiyan could have made super perfect cell explode from a casual strike, then have said character go super saiyan 3 and still have it only briefly match the weakest form of super buu.
Buuhan could have fought Jiren.
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>>285786484
The Ultimate Gohan from ToP is far strong than the Ultimate Gohan from the Boo arc.
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Neither, SS4 Xeno Goku.
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>>285789009
>The Ultimate Gohan from ToP is far strong than the Ultimate Gohan from the Boo arc.
Gohan's entire deal is not training and becoming weaker. ToP Gohan is weaker, not stronger. At best he got back in shape.
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They could remake them, but what they'd need most is rewrites which is definitely not happening since Toei and the majority of fans (i.e spics) don't understand what's actually wrong with these arcs outside of the animation. Daima is proof that these guys just don't know how to do ANYTHING right.
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> Daipa is the actual dbz canon I'm afraid.
Nope
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Og DB is canon, faggot
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>>285789009
It's just an all-around great look.
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Can wait for them to adapt this in 2030.
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Saiyans are overall glass cannons. Strong ki power but pretty bad durability.
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>Gohan's entire deal is not training and becoming weaker. ToP Gohan is weaker, not stronger. At best he got back in shape.
That's because you think DBS is like DBZ (and even in DBZ the power scaling was already fucked up, see Kid Trunks and Goten). ToP Ultimate Gohan is stronger than his Boo arc counterpart, Dragon Ball Super's entire deal is that characters are strong as the plot demands them to be, hence Ultimate Gohan's huge power despite slacking off or Android 17's huge power boost after "fighting" human poachers.
That's why I wouldn't even care if Yamcha or Tien appear in a new arc using an "Ultimate Kaioken" that makes them SS3-tier or something.
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Yes, but Xeno Goku actually made me like SS4, the palette suits it, unlike the awful yellow pants of GT. Daipa's SS4 isn't even worthy a comment.
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The worst thing DBS did was give annoying side characters relevance. Freeza is entertaining despite being out of character for Goku and his friends to hang out with him. But I just don't care about these characters.
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It’s the reverse, for them
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>exclusive behind the scenes look at dragon ball galactic patrol edition
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>>285789648
Piccolo is a babysitter, Freeza is gay, and the others are boring. I'm almost starting to say that GT was good. The series had the right ideas. It's just that they were poorly executed. Still, the best thing about DBS is the first movie, even the design and characterization of Beerus makes him better than every other character they created. Another thing I like about the movie is the apparent lack of plot, which is refreshing for a shonen story. It also has the best fights post-Buu saga. In fact, Beerus vs. Goku is better than most of the fights in the Buu saga. The anime did a lot of lifting. People watched the anime first and have many of their opinions colored by the adaptation. “Toei is evil,” but without them, people wouldn't be that fond of the manga.
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Those scenes were SO cute!!
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>>285787130
This cell jr was born 5 minutes prior to this btw.
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I was hoping for evidence of them as adults…
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>>285788197
It's a visual presentation problem. Daima looks better than GT because GT's SS4 never had fancy-schmancy animation for its fight scenes or attacks. Give GT 4 Daima's staff, its attacks some better presentation and execution, and maybe a new one or something, and people will switch up.
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Multiverse is somehow the Anti-Dragon Ball despite all the effort poured into it.
>overly autistic writing (cares about the Kais' rules way too much, bends over backwards to have stuff like weakass Future Gohan taking care of Dabura and Babidi instead of just changing how events proceeded which is what Toriyama did eventually)
>extremely biased to OCs like Bra and Gast (Super Buu is an honorary OC)
>Training is straight up worthless compared to cheats like Magic and Absorption
>any trace of Goku is absent in Vegito, dude is like if two Vegetas fused together
>the fucking cheating in what should be a fun tournament (sneaking senzu beans, teleporting opponents far into space and out of bounds)
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Post Z Toei just loves making shit tier street level battles on characters that are suppose to be thousands of times stronger than OG. I've seen better destruction in One Piece.
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>popovich
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Multiverse has a lot of problems, but the current main villain is the best villain of anything dragon ball related since Janemba. The current "trapped in stopped time/devoured universes setting where they can only really move thanks to piccolo making an area of unfrozen time is the best "challenge" the galaxy busting cast has seen since the end of Z. Just a shame it is stuck in multiverse.
Compare that with Supers autist god, destruction jobbers and androgynous angels with biggerer power levels. Such a shame.
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tarble is the strongest sayian
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>"Nakatsuru-kun is so skilled, and has such an understanding of the peculiarities of my drawings, that there have been times that even I have been like, "Did I draw this character design, or did Nakatsuru-kun?," not being able to tell the difference"
Nakatsuru managed to elmulate Toriyama's artsyle and received high praise for it.
>"to enjoy watching the original Dragon Ball's grand side-story Dragon Ball GT"
The 'original Dragon Ball' is mentioned, which is a direct reference to the original Dragon Ball (aka the original Dragon Ball manga).
>"you will be pleased"
Clearly implying that (You) will enjoy watching Dragon Ball GT (the original Dragon Ball story).
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Gohan went back to training since Goku Black in the manga, which is months before ToP. Stop using the retconned anime as the basis of anything. Erase that SLOP off your brain.
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I looked him up and the version with bangs looks way better, he looks like a little goblin here.
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>>285790729
Our hero (and good goku) never left
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I really like Gohan taking the initiative with his training whenever he has spare time in the manga, but it’s souring to the tone of the arc since it’s a bonus page gag. At least it’s better than the anime wasting a whole episode on Gohan and Trunks eating ice cream together.
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Bonus page gag by the chosen successor, good intentions for sure, but Toriyama is the word of god and his stance was very clear: Gohan is a slacker.
He was slacking off again in Super Hero, manga-including.
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>>285791536
Because nobody wants to look at a balding little boy he should be cute, plus, his body proportions are also ugly.
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Going to hard disagree again. Goku eats well so he should be chubby like that. Bejita fights more intense battles and likely eats less high fat/protein foods than Kid Goku so hes more lean. I do hate how skinny kid Goku is in modern stuff though. That looks way worse than skinny Bejita.
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objectively toriyama would make more mistakes as the linework continued to get denser. Adding the more detail and stretching the proportions to be longer, and constant full body shots shows the weakness of his heavy caricature art style. dead giveaway being vegeta's forehead.
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No no no you are WRONG, if he’s a strong child, why does he have such flaccid skinny looking legs/ arms? I won’t upload irl examples, but an athletic boy of his age would be stockier, he looks in that pic like he barely even walks. It just looks sort of gross, it’s a bad design.
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If he doesnt eat right yes I would expect him to be more lean and have more defined muscles. Goku was eating giant fish and other giant wildlife everyday while Bejita likely ate like shit while working with Freeza and only ate after battles so he likely wasnt filling himself like Kid Goku. Kid Goku again had a better consistent diet so he has that bit of chub. I think theyd look better if Bejita was thinner and lean and Goku was more chubby like his classic look. Bejita is a slave while Goku isnt. I also suspect thats why his growth is so stunted. Freeza likely had him on carbs and not alot of meat. Bejita only got large amount of meat after eating alien people. It just isnt as consistent as Goku's diet.
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I'm reading manga first time now, I feel like toriyama's art peaked at the very beginning of the series up to about the end of the Tenkaichi Budokai, nothing has really "wowed" me since then although it is still enjoyable to look at. I'm at the Baba arc now for reference
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You are saying logical things but I still don’t want to look at whatever
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is, kek. But also, I feel like if vegeta was fighting he wouldn’t have those very squishy and skinny legs, they don’t look muscular to me. It just looks weird and no child actually looks like that irl, and as another anon pointed out, his head is too big, he looks like a funko pop. I doubt also that they thought as deeply as you do about it, since they all looked like that in that new show (daima). I think it’s just bad art direction
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His head isnt that big he just had big ass hair. Happy its nice and full looking. Sometimes it can look really short and shitty. I also like that he has the rounded saiyan saga Bejita eyes.
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Well did she?
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That’s fair to say, but less hassle seems to mean looks worse in the end. I appreciated our discussion anyway.
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It seems to be a trend in anime imo, people have forgotten that most little kids have babyfat and are chunky, not only is it more cute but it promotes a healthier image of what toddlers and babies should look like. I don’t like the chubby erasure and making really little boys too skinny.
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>Nakatsuru managed to elmulate Toriyama's artsyle and received high praise for it.
Okay? This is completely irrelevant.
>The 'original Dragon Ball' is mentioned, which is a direct reference to the original Dragon Ball (aka the original Dragon Ball manga).
No shit the original Dragon Ball is mentioned. Generally speaking, you're going to fucking mention the source material when talking about fanfiction.
>Clearly implying that (You) will enjoy watching Dragon Ball GT (the original Dragon Ball story).
Again, entirely irrelevant.
GT is a non-canon side story not written by Toriyama. Whether or not you personally enjoy it does not affect this fact of reality. You lost. You got fucking violated. You are a dog whimpering at my feet and your concession has been accepted.
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>It seems to be a trend in anime imo, people have forgotten that most little kids have babyfat and are chunky, not only is it more cute but it promotes a healthier image of what toddlers and babies should look like. I don’t like the chubby erasure and making really little boys too skinny.
Not to be a moralfag, but you phrased it in a "particular" way.
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This is sorta my point anon, as he looks amazing here, but the kid version just looks like if you shrank him and removed any muscle tone (not like a child). He looks a little older than the other pic here, but I think it’s a way better version of a young vegeta. He looks like an arrogant little prince and not some weird starved gnome
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Freeza likely let Raditz eat more than Bejita. Wouldn't be surpised. Raditz also likely had a high protein diet early on because his mom is a butcher. Bejita was born under Freeza's rule so so malnutrition thing probably started like right when Bejita was born. Would be a good way to keep him weak too. Raditz is weak so Freeza sees no reason not to feed he pet money better. It probably misses off Bejita too. Probably why he didnt want to revive him and never saw him as worthy of anything unlike Nappa who he thought deserved a saiyans death. I think it's intersting nappa doesnt really seem to hate Raditz and wanted to revive him. (Freeza also remembers Raditz's name while fighting kid Gohan on Namek)
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How much time after the Namek Saga was Trunks born?
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Then he ate nothing but sweet chichi pussy and got a buff neck
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>>285792429
Trueroooo, Gonorrhea Turd is a non-canon flop that stopped getting new content decades ago kek.
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Think of it like paintings of cherubs and stuff like that, it’s not necessarily SEXUAL, there is just something pleasing to my mind about well fed happy + healthy children, though now I type this I’ve made it sound way worse lmao. I think it’s bad to promote it being normal that an idealised child of that age should be really svelte in the way an attractive adult would be, if that makes sense. I actually think what they’re doing now is weirder and putting adult beauty standards onto toddlers, like trying to make them into twinks or something.
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>>285792540
Kekytruthy. It only gets referenced vaguely in shit like Heroes, and, even then, they don't use the actual GT characters, just Xeno counterparts with GT forms.
I'm glad GT is dead and gone, its fans reduced to mere ghosts, haunting empty halls.
Super has a far stronger legacy.
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In this case you have the line about Saiyan hair never changing clashing with that design. I agree about modern Toriyama's anatomy issues though. Although the problem isn't the anatomy itself, but just that the overall design and drawing don't look good.
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It's really more that Toriyama somehow thinks that this style looks good. If you look at his modern Dragonquest art, you get similar proportion issues, but with much more detailed outfits.
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Ultimate Gohan outscaled Buu arc straight into DBS powerlevels. We just didn't realize how outrageously strong he really was at the time because Buutenks was equally overpowered to DBS powerlevels as well. It took until the Universe 6 Tournament for Goku to achieve SSB Kaioken and finally surpass Gohan's peak from the Buu saga. Fitting, since it took Goku 7 years of training to surpass Cell Arc Gohan SS2.
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Let us be cordial, gentlemen.
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GT only lives on through a few toy releases coming here and there, and any potential sequel to GT has clearly been blocked, and will remain blocked, because Super is a major cash cow for everyone involved, and it still has so much potential to be expanded on.
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>Ultimate Gohan outscaled Buu arc straight into DBS powerlevels
Uh huh.
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I bet he did, champ. I bet he did.
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Of course. What kind of sequel could they make to it? One about Goku Jr.? One about Pan? Who gives a fuck about either of those characters?
Pan, in particular, is a boring, weak jobber, and made GT even worse than it would've been without her.
Goten would've made a far, far better addition to the main cast in the early parts of the series.
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One of you fucking TIOS just made me get up and WORK on his shitbox Toyota like some sort of low class trash.
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Shut your smarmy mouth, you utter megafaggot
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DB has always been packed with meaningful metaphors and allegories. Cry about it.
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Effortlessly baited
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>>285793048
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They weren't. Every single decision made in GT shows that the people directly involved in the creative process have absolutely no fucking idea what the majority of the fanbase likes about the series.
>kid Goku and a focus on him and a couple literal who characters rather than the established cast
>gag ADOBENCHA nonsense that doesn't have any of the cohesiveness the OG series had, and the cast is too dull to make up for that
>making the newest Super Saiyan form some retarded clown paint color palette instead of sticking with gold, especially after teasing with Golden Oozaru (Super did this too and everyone fucking hated it, so they learned nothing)
>killing off Piccolo for no reason
>bringing back 17 just to torture and kill him again
>muh evil edgy dark energy that gathers in the DBs despite this never having been hinted at before by literally anyone, including the fucking creators of the DBs
>killing off Goku at the end
>focusing on Pan and yet another mini Goku clone for the shitty special
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I'm so glad Super is the recognized spiritual sequel to Z, rather than that horrible piece of shit, known as GT, which goes against the wishes and intentions of the original author.
Super is a respectful continuation of the beloved franchise, unlike GT, which was just a cash-grab.
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>>285792465
I wish the bangs were canon.
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GT is but a ghost of what the franchise was before that. A ghost moaning impotently in a void, forever blocked off from anything meaningful.
Meanwhile, Super is thriving, its fans rejoicing openly, their voices heard by all.
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Grand CHAD had a legendary and iconic ending that was the completion of the franchise and everything it was building towards and is still loved to this day, without needing further content.
Meanwhile SHITper continues to destroy the reputation of the franchise with its endless need to continue the story with terrible stories filled with awful villains, forgettable new characters and unoriginal new forms.
I’m glad I will always be a Grand CHAD and not a SHITperfag.
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It’s cool. Kind of miss when I first started out and it was mostly easy shit like replacing starters and brake pads now they expect me to get old beaters up and running that their owner treat like shit.
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>>285793272
Yup yup, GODper literally made Toei kneel so it could save them from their daipa fuck up, which was a Grand Turd trace with flopped kid Goku and all included.
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He looks great but now I see why they didn’t ever do this as he looks even more identical to goku
>>285793302
Well they trust you alot at least if they give you those jobs.
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I accept your concessions.
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>seething
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>headcanon
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>>285793042
They really have to compensate hard for how shit the flop they shill is.
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>>285793611
To be honest that’s good for me, I like the comfort of knowing that I story I like is really over, all the characters are happy, good guys won, the end. If it takes a flop to make that happen these days, so be it.
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>>285787939
Cause Bulma is pure sex.
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And her short hair style.
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Come to Bulma.
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FUARK
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Legendary heroes.
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Bulma lookin like a treat.
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>>285794007
And so hot.
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>>285791987
It made a lot more sense to keep the linework simple and bulgy. And keep the detailed art for the pages for that really mattered.
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>>285794067
Time to eat.
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Do you think Lego Pan would inherit the block from her father?
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ICONIC HEROES
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Remember that time Tien punched a hole through Mr. Popo's chest and everyone laughed?
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>>285793365
>GODro will look as good as top
Holy fuark I cannot wait!
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Never heard of her
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If he's heavily suppressed in his base form, sure, but that goes for anyone, really. Mind you, characters regularly suppress themselves to power levels so low, they are practically undetectable.
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Yes, true on all fronts. Goten is quite the cool character, and very strong, too. He even became a Super Saiyan as a child.
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This is too heavy for me..
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People keep pointing out that whole "Saiyans age up really quickly at 15" plot point and it makes sense until you realize that Mai also randomly stayed short until she was in her late teens. Is she a saiyan too?
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On it
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>Can you guys fuck off already?
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Yup YUP
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Funny!!
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Kek
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wow she must be a saiyan too
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Fellas (scholars) I lost my reaction image/gifs folder. It’s all gone. My favorite gif of super vegeta frowning then smirking. Gone. Feast gohan. Gone. All of those Keklins with his mouth edited while it hangs on the floor. My rennyist of Roos. Gone. A small pittance please I know these consecrated corridors to be sacred and filled with generous scholars.
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>breaks bejita so hard he willingly lets a whoville looking bug wizard mindfuck him and give him a tramp stamp on his forehead
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Trvke
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>child of cyborg that was built by studying saiyans
See?
>>285797593
If Terry is so successful then why is he so forgotten. No one ever remembers or cares about Terry until its time to bitch about something and they pull him out of the cuck closet to bring up nostalgia fueled comparisons
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Miles*
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>Dragon ball out of thin air
When will you admit you lost to jujutsu kaisen, demon slayer, and boruto alrwsdy?
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Sadly it still has Daipa lurking in.
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>saves dragon ball after the disaster that was dragon ball babies
What do we say?
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I am quiet fond of Piccolo. I think he is pret-tee cool. I think the way he notices stuff is especially alluring.
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They're going based on Toriyama's designs, and he really fell off in the early 2000s and never recovered.
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>>285799739
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>>285798516
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I don't see a problem with Mai having a different characterization when she was in her early 20s in DB and is an old woman trapped in a teenagers body in Super. It makes sense that she wouldn't act the same way.
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Yes its to emphasize the pronunciation of last syllable in the word pretty. But I wouldn't expect a Shitrentard to understand the English language
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How do you explain teenage Mai in the Super Hero arc?
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This is cope. She isn't even remotely the same character.
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Ne need to be rude to the Grayy Lmao.
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"I want the Chainsawman audience"
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DADgeta the well-meaning and toughtful
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I want to be a Namekian.
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I would say DB Mai is one of the most imitated characters in all of anime right next to Goku and Vegeta and nobody notices
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Can you guys post some cool pictures of Piccolo and Vegeta? They're my favorite characters thanks.
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My king
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>when Kakarot gives Bulma backshots
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